Anti-Christ Generation: Tyler the Creator Leads Pop Music’s Open Blasphemy

 

Tyler the Creator's Album Cover with inverted cross on display.

For the past several years, as the truth-seeking and Christian movements on the internet have exposed more and more entertainers for their occult and satanic symbolism, lyrics and practices, there has been a great deal of debate about whether people were “reading too much into things.” Just because a certain artists may have flashed Freemason symbols all throughout a video didn’t necessarily mean the artist was actually in support of it or the occult, right? Well the days of having to work to decipher symbols and search for hidden meanings may be passing- the new generation of hip hop and pop music stars appear to now be openly blaspheming Jesus Christ, Christianity and advocating the occult with no regard for criticism.
We have already chronicled the song ‘Judas’ by Lady Gaga, an open ode to blasphemy against the Savior.  But there are even younger and newer artists who now proudly voice their disrespect for Christianity and support of Satan.

Lil B

 

Lil B in the church where he filmed his infamous video.

The writer and rapper of the hit song “Look Like Jesus”, a track filled with profanity-laced lyrics in which he discusses relations with women and repeatedly blaspheme Jesus’ name throughout. The video for the song was filmed in a church. It received a great deal of media coverage for how far it was willing to go in disgracing a traditionally respected building.

He also refers to himself as “The Based God” and said of the moniker: “Music wise I do feel like I’m a prophet status and at the God status….I just wanted my point across and I wanted to be a little bratty attention ** whore.”

Much of his lyrics are vile, violent and embrace sinful behavior. And he also references the demon possession:

“Welcome to hell, I’m the Devil, I’ve taken over Lil B’s soul”
“I’m burning everyday, my soul there’s nothing left

everything I say is contrary to belief

instead of saying something deep, my speech is rap poison

I choose rape cuz I can’t stop the bad voices”

One of the albums he released this year has a cover in which Lil B’s alter ego, “Based God” is depicted as Jesus being crucified on the cross:

 

LIl B putting himself on the cross.

 

Note the image was sure to include women’s underwear hanging on it. And the album is interestingly called “Angels Exodus” which is precisely what Lucifer led when he rebelled against God:

Revelation 12: 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.  4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:

These verses reference Satan and the rebellious fallen angels being cast out of Heaven. A departure that can certainly be considered an “exodus.”

 

Here is another album cover for a Lil B mixtape:

Look closely for the symbolism.

Upon close inspection the royal robe the character is wearing is covered in pyramid-shaped All Seeing Eye symbols.

Not only does Lil B have a fanatical following, with male fans often “offering” their girlfriends or wives to him during shows and giving him mock worship.  Even some of the most popular hip hop show hosts were taken aback by their treatment of him:

 

Lil’ B’s concert still amazed me because of the connection between the performer and the audience. It was like a semi-religious gathering of ethnically diverse superfans, who, at one point, spontaneously chanted rapidly, and in unison: “Thankyoubasedgod. Thankyoubasedgod. Thankyoubasedgod.…“ – Hip Hop Show Host Miss Info of ‘Miss Info TV

 

Tyler the Creator (Odd Future)

Possibly the most potentially successful of these up and coming pop stars is media darling and critically acclaimed Tyler the Creator of the group Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All. His album, “Goblin” which on the album cover he sports an upside down cross on his forehead, is full of lyrics disrespecting Jesus, detailing his fantasies of assaulting women and the typical “murder murder” pseudo-scary lyrics that hip hop has been putting out for years.

Here are some of the critics’ comments on Tyler:

“Preternaturally talented, honest, witty, smart, simultaneously poetic and conversational, the L.A. rapper and founder of Odd Future on his label debut, “Goblin,” has a flow that’s curious, assured and magnetic..”

The Source, the preeminent hip hop news magazine, calls Tyler “brilliant” and the ‘breakout talent of 2011.”

A sampling of the lyrics from Tyler and Odd Future shows their blatant promotion of sin and disrespect for the faith:

Rape

“One, two, you’re the girl that I want
Three, four, five, six, seven, s—
Eight is the bullets if you say no after all this”

“I’m the type to put you down and bring myself up
So when I rape a b– I hold her down and get my best nut.”

“We go skate, rape sluts, and eat donuts from Randy’s” (in addition to lyrics about sexually assaulting pregnant women). 

 Necrophilia

“I just wanna drag you’re lifeless body to the forest
And fornicate with it but that’s because I’m in love with”

Blasphemy

“‘Im opening a church to sell coke..”

“This meeting just begun, n—- I’m Satan’s son”

“God is the cancer”

“But when I f—- go, Lucifer will probably have my soul”

“The devil doesn’t wear Prade – he’s in a white tee”

“Wolf Gang, triple six crew”

“Uh, f– church, they singing and the s— ain’t even worth it
In the choir, whores and liars, scumbags and the dirt..”


“Triple six is my number, you can get it off my Tumblr”

“Jesus called, he said he’s sick of the disses”  (And many others which were far too explicit to include).

Yes, they may “just be lyrics” but this artist and his group seem to have an affinity for anti-Christian taunts and imagery. They also make barely veiled “666” references, the number of the Antichrist in the Bible. And they are leading the move to make open blasphemy of Jesus Christ, normal and acceptable. What shocks society today, is just acceptable and even fashionable tomorrow.  So in the minds of the millions of youth, children and adults listening to this music, the blasphemy will soon be no issue because it is “just art” or because the singer is “just kidding around” and “trying to make people think.”


Here are some other pictures of Tyler and Odd Future in action:

 

Tyler working on some art for a photo shoot.

 

The finished product.

 

The art speaks for itself.  The upside down or inverted cross is a Satanic symbol and the “666″ is a direct reference to the number of the Beast or the Anti-Christ, the false Messiah, empowered by Satan, who will temporarily rule the world according to the book of Revelation.

The Bible on Blasphemy

Exodus 20: 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Luke 22:63 And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him. 64And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee? 65And many other things blasphemously spake they against him.

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

The blasphemies against Jesus took place when He was on Earth and continues today. God’s law is clear that using His name improperly is a sin. And what truly defiles us is not what we take in but the thoughts that we express in our speech. And so accurately the Bible in the  verse above from Matthew 15 accurately describes much of the content of today’s popular music.

Webster’s 1828 Dictionary, which was based on Bible Scripture (as all original dictionaries in America were at that time) defines blasphemy as:  “An indignity offered to God by words or writing; reproachful, contemptuous or irreverent words uttered impiously against Jehovah.” Insulting the name of God or Jesus Christ is not something taken lightly by The Lord.  Yet artists like these are trying to remove any stigma from disrespecting the Christian faith and actually turn it into entertainment.  And by the nature of them being media-hyped superstars, soon their fans will follow suit and have their own attitudes adjusted and shifted to accept this blasphemous behavior without even realizing it.

Psalm 74:18 Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name.

Tyler’s Defense

Throughout all this, Tyler’s main defense has been that he is an atheist or that people who get upset with the satanic tone of his music and videos, just do not get him.  Like many artists before him, Tyler claims no affiliation with Satanism. However, entertainers, especially rap artists, are putting forth a persona. And that involves sticking to a certain set of statements in interviews. It is interesting that for all of the “shock value” that Tyler appears to be going for, he has made no statements against Allah, Mohammed or the Muslim faith. In fact, all of these “edgy” artists seem to steer clear from making any sort of anti-Muslim statement.

Demonic Possession

On his hit song, “Yonkers”, Tyler the Creator uses imagery referencing demonic possession. Interestingly, he also puts on contacts that make his eyes look completely black. As the very well-written Justify Theory blog has detailed, much of the video is a take on the 2005 horror “The Exorcism of Emily Rose” which was based on the real-life story of a young woman who was allegedly possessed by demons and died during the process of an exorcism.

 

Tyler with Black Pupils in His Video for "Yonkers."

 

Black pupils in the Emily Rose film which signified she was demon-possessed.

 

Demon possessed Emily Rose eating cockroaches.

Tyler playing with cockroach.

 

Then eating it.

Earl Sweatshirt

Another member of Odd Future is Earl Sweatshirt. The 17 year old is also being lauded as a music prodigy and delves into satanic lyrics and possession as well. In his song, “Moonlight”, Earl states:

Started thinking about a normal life, it got me suicidal
Standing in the kitchen with a noose and a rifle
Hang or bang hockin’ lugees in a bible
Dancing with the Devil tonight’s our first recital
His hands on my hips he take control of my movement
A couple of minutes pass and I don’t know what I’m doin’
Just dance to the music so nobody will laugh at me
But the f—ing voices in my head keep asking me
Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight

Again for a group that claims to have no religion or spiritual affiliation at all, the satanic and occultic references seem to abound. Not to mention that Earl is sure to mention that he is “hockin lugees in a bible” which is a reference to spitting into a Bible.   If these rappers are so uninterested in spiritual matters, why is that Satan seems to keep being mentioned in their lyrics as controlling them? Why are they constantly bashing Christianity? Jesus Christ said in terms of getting to know people: “you will know them by their fruits.” The lyrical content of this music blatantly satanic.

Preparation for the Antichrist?

The prophetic significance here is great. As the world moves closer to the period the Bible calls the “end times” the stage has to bet set for the rule of the Antichrist. This will be a leader who will come into power because people want him. He will not “take over by force.”  And the Bible predicts this satanically-inspired leader will show his true colors by speaking against God with blasphemy:

5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.  6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. – Revelation 13

The world is being prepped to accept and even applaud this type of behavior that one day the future Antichrist will display for the whole world. And already we can see that today’s music fans are eager to “worship” blasphemous artists.

Return of Aleister Crowley

 

 

 

 

Aleister Crowley, occultist, black magic practitioner and ardent opponent of Christianity, was one of the foremost Satanists of the early 20th century. In addition to advocating drug use, sexual magic, pedophilia, he dubbed himself “the Beast” and “666” and was once called the “wickedest man in the world.”  He is a major influence in Rock ‘n Roll as some of the greatest rock artists of all time from Led Zeppelin to the Doors have paid homage, claimed inspiration or espoused his philosophies in their music and interviews. Fight the Good Fight Ministries has done an excellent job covering all of this in their documentary “They Sold Their Souls for Rock ‘n Roll.”  In discussing Christianity, Crowley stated: “That religion they call Christianity; the devil they honor they call God. I accept these definitions, as a poet must do, if he is to be at all intelligible to his age, and it is their God and their religion that I hate and will destroy” (Crowley, The World’s Tragedy, p. xxx).

While he has mainly influenced rock stars in the music industry, it appears Crowley’s influence is now reaching hip hop and pop music as well.

 

 

Tyler sporting Aleister Crowley T-shirt

Other young pop stars are jumping on the Crowley bandwagon as well.

 

Taylor Momsen, one of the stars of the TV show “Gossip Girl” is also lead singer in a rock band called “Pretty Reckless.”

 

Kevin Jonas, of the Jonas Brothers pop group (who are supposedly “outspoken Christians”) wearing a T-shirt with Crowley on it.

Conclusion

It seems that the younger, newest generation of hip hop and pop stars are determined to push the envelope even further in rebellion against Christianity. What was once done in “subliminal” or subtle jabs and images is now giving way to just openly blaspheming God and Jesus Christ The Lord.  All of this is bringing a Satanic influence to the millions of listeners and moving the culture of America farther from righteousness of God, to the lusts and vices of sin. And the young fans, with no Biblical discernment cannot spot this even when it is thrown in their faces.

How any parent would let their children listen to music that is so graphic in its glorification of violence, evil and sexual abuse is stunning. But again, for those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior, know that the music industry has become a major tool to move people away from God.  The Bible reminds us to be on guard against this deception: “Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.” – 2 Corinthians 2:11.  This music is disrespecting God and should not be supported.  These artists are not leaving middle ground – listening to blasphemous artists is supporting music that is against God. And for those who are casual listeners who think it is just fun or art, know that you, like everyone else, will stand before God one day. Instead of supporting music that shows hate for God, look to God for forgiveness and His free love and gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ. There is a real God and He is not be played with.

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” — Galatians 6:7



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  1. all ive got to say is that you are really ignorant.

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    • I Believe This Is True, Basically Because There Are Alot Of Celebrities Worshipping The Devil, And Believing that it is ok to do so. (Rihanna, Jay-Z) Etc… But When The World Comes To An End, They’ll Know Who They Should’ve Been Worshipping. (Obviously Not The Devil)

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      • This is exactly what Tyler wanted when he said all this stuff. He wanted you to get mad. By taking him seriously you make it so he wins… OFWGKTA

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      • You fools are really f— ignorant. Let the f— n—s believe what they want to believe. You — don’t own the world—

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        • Where was that claim made? Where was an argument for forceful indoctrination?

          There have been none. Yet you come in with your “cleverly” misspelled swears and racist remarks; with your accusations and attempts to incite anger- And guess what?

          You’re the only one looking ignorant right now.

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        • Ericswag16 says:

          @Fgod, that’s a terrible name bro. I mean I don’t agree with this suit about Tyler being illuminati and the anti Christ and shit but yoo name ain’t good.

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        • thats what you are saying now but every tongue shall confess and every knee shall bow that JESUS IS LORD!

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          • Jesus is no lord he is the messenger and prophet of the LORD you speak of! Thy lord is one in only not three of one. His word is truth not religion. Jesus died for his people. And mocked by the Christians! And gods true people shall uprise and grab hold of the devils horns!

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            • It’s interesting, DJ, that you seem to be espousing one of the main views held by the Baha’i faith. Thing is, you also seem to add your own personal flair to it as well.

              The Baha’i do not believe in any personification of evil, thus the idea of grabbing “hold of the devil’s horns” doesn’t track with the rest of your statement, if made from that perspective.

              So tell me- Just what is it you actually do believe?

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        • and neither do they. we are not just going to give up and sit passively by as the darkness grows, we stand and we will contend. I will fight it until my dying breath or until Jesus takes me out of here. REPENT.

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      • wolf gang 27 says:

        Haha Christians getting scared. Just shut up and quit crying ..
        WOLF GANG

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        • I love how many folks come in with a statement like “you’re ignorant,” but provide no evidence. In this case, WG27, your comment doesn’t even fit the post you replied to, so perhaps you’d be willing to give an example?

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        • Your Not Scared……Yet, But You Will Be .

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        • Amelia Deschanel says:

          Yes, Christians are afraid. But not for ourselves. But for individuals like yourself. There is so much you need to learn about these types of bands & their intention. Are these “OFWGKTA” people the kind you really want to look up to & defend? They don’t care about you, Satan doesn’t care about you. Really think about it. God came down onto this earth & died for our sins. He cares & loves for each & everyone of us. He wants to be a part of your life. And trust me having God in your life the most supernatural & amazing experience ever. God bless bro.

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        • WOLFGANG IS A HUNK OF CRAP!

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      • wolf gang 27 says:

        Caring Mom:
        I agree with Anthony. My son is 14 years old and regardless if we do not allow him to listen to this music there are many ways to get a hold of listening to them, especially with the technology we have now. Their classmates and friends are listening to this. I found out my son was listening to this music just recently.I was unaware of Tyler the Creator so I looked him up. I listened to his music and watched his videos and I was in complete shock. Before I found out he was listening to this music from a classmates iPod my son started writing the numbers 666, OFGKTA, upside down cross on his note books, sneakers, hats, writing rap songs that talk about killing family and friends, writing about suicide, writing about rape, singing the songs at school and getting suspended for it. I am not saying that Tyler the Creator is at fault because my son is responsible for his actions but I feel that before my son was able to completely understand what Jesus Christ did for us he was learning about the antichrist from young rap artists. Right now my son is having a difficult time finding himself and this is just wrong what these rap artists are doing. Young teens are looking for acceptance from peers, trying to fit in this is why we have so many teen suicides and rap artisits like Tyler the Creator are not helping the situation they are making naive teens believe they are the antichrist. It is unfortunate that these rap artists have to take it to this level in order for them to gain money that states “In God We Trust”.

        by the way its OFWGKTA not OFGKTA Haha.
        Wolf Gang

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        • By the way, the proper word you’re looking for is “it’s,” not “its.”

          “Its” is possessive.

          “It’s” is a contraction created from the words “it” and “is.”

          Also, you may be looking for a period after “OFGKTA,” not to mention a comma after “OFWGKTA.”

          I just thought you may like to know, since you were being so helpful yourself.

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      • Wolf Gang says:

        Im sick of getting on facebook hearin all this god s– yall stupid mutha– make a n— want to wear some lkike dat,

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        • Why yes, well, the intelligence of that comment has certainly taught us all a very valuable lesson, I believe…

          Here’s the deal: Whether you believe in God is your own prerogative. We’ll be discovering soon enough who’s right and who’s dead anyhow. In the meantime, get some education and learn how to talk, because one thing I can say for Tyler: He’s well spoken and well read.

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      • The music is real. Your god is not. I’ll give credit to Satan if it pushes me far away from your hypocritical, exploitative, mess of a faith.

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        • You are free to think and believe whatever you like, just as you are free to credit whomever you like. However, with that said, I also have the same freedom.

          Just once, I’d like to meet a Tyler/OF fan who could actually lay out an intelligent, legitimate argument against the Christian faith- Or any faith, for that matter. It would appear, sadly, that you are not that person, and so the search continues.

          In the meantime, take care and enjoy your music.

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          • WOLF HALEY says:

            I’m a Christian and I don’t get offended when I hear all the 666 talk. I write WOLF GANG, GOLF WANG, and FLOG GNAW on everything. I’m a huge fan, and I want to be a member of Odd Future. I know Tyler doesn’t believe in God, and I respect that because I don’t criticize what someone does/doesn’t believe in. He says he’s the devil, he uses 666, and he makes upside down crosses because it makes (most) Christian mad! That’s the whole point. He’s a teen, and as I teen I like making people mad too because it’s funny. All the violence and rape comes from different characters he’s created. All his albums come together to tell one big story. (Granted, it’s not finished yet) He doesn’t target other religions because most other religions have people that follow. They don’t have as many hypocritical people that recognize themselves as a follower of a religion.
            DON’T CALL IT HORRORCORE, LISTEN DEEPER IN THE MUSIC BEFORE YOU PUT IT IN A BOX. WOLF GANG.

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        • 1-1-Six says:

          You can’t believe in Satan if you don’t believe in Jesus Christ!

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          • Actually, one can. It’s known as Maltheism, and it’s the belief that the only supernatural superpower is evil.

            The belief states that the reason this world is so bad is because it was created specifically to bring pain and suffering, and that all the evil that takes place is strictly to give this malicious god a few laughs.

            It goes further by stating that Jesus Christ was nothing more than an emanation of this wicked plan to give false hope to mankind, thus prolonging the suffering of humanity.

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            Do I believe any of this? Of course not. However, one should be exceedingly cautious of the statements one makes if one does not have a proper education/understanding of the various beliefs that oppose Christianity.

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      • Clinton says:

        First of all none of the individuals that you mentioned are satanists. Secondly, there are over 10,000 religions in this world and Christianity the right one? Please.

        Leave people alone and worship your god. Every second spent here is time that you are not worshiping your god.

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        • First of all none of the individuals that you mentioned are satanists.

          Based upon what- Their own word? Clinton, when one’s testimony does not match the evidence, one is usually found guilty of perjury.

          Secondly, there are over 10,000 religions in this world and Christianity the right one?

          You’re on a Christian website, with articles written from a Christian standpoint and written mainly to Christians, with a massive amount of Christian readers and commentators. So you tell me: Just what do you think the answer to your question is going to be in this arena?

          Please.

          No. According to the Bible, Christ is the ONLY way to God; the ONLY way to salvation; the ONLY way to redemption; and the ONLY hope for mankind. Period. End of story.

          Did you honestly think you’d get a different response?

          Leave people alone and worship your god.

          Doing that, thanks. ;)

          Every second spent here is time that you are not worshiping your god.

          And this shows exactly how ignorant you truly are of the Christian faith. Recommendation? Learn a little more about just what is considered worshipful practice within Christianity before making such an onerous statement.

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          • Clinton says:

            Sorry RETS but you’re wrong on every facet or your mindless retort. Men of sin wrote the book that you bestow. I am implying that you earn your salvation through kindness and humility both of which you obviously lack. You should spend more time helping fellow man by deed rather than tongue via the “Devil’s” device.

            Good Deeds, Not Belief In Christ, Required For Salvation

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            • If it was good deeds that gets you to heaven, then Jesus dying on the cross would have been in vain. The Bible states only through the blood Jesus shed for our sins are we saved. Deeds or works can’t buy salvation. It’s what Jesus did that saves.

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          • Clinton:
            Sorry RETS but you’re wrong on every facet or your mindless retort. Men of sin wrote the book that you bestow. I am implying that you earn your salvation through kindness and humility both of which you obviously lack. You should spend more time helping fellow man by deed rather than tongue via the “Devil’s” device.

            Good Deeds, Not Belief In Christ, Required For Salvation

            Show me, Clinton, where I’m wrong. If it is as you say, and good deeds are required for salvation, then perform such a thing now and show me the evidence of my error.

            Moreover, show me where in my life I’ve not “help[ed] my fellow man.” I await your reply, in the hopes that you can show me a better way.

            Until that time, however; until such a time as there is shown me a better path to Salvation and redemption; I will continue to put my faith and trust, and swear my allegiance to, Yeshua Ha’Meshiach.

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          • Clinton says:

            RETS… Your comments to other folks on here are smug and pretentious. You know in your heart the error of your ways. I do not need to tell you that! The very fact that you’re on this thread speaks volumes about your faith and your view of the world. Obviously you are a very disturbed individual and I truly hope that you find the help that you so desperately need.

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          • Clinton:
            RETS… Your comments to other folks on here are smug and pretentious. You know in your heart the error of your ways. I do not need to tell you that! The very fact that you’re on this thread speaks volumes about your faith and your view of the world. Obviously you are a very disturbed individual and I truly hope that you find the help that you so desperately need.

            Clinton, I tend to be smug and pretentious with individuals who are outright insulting and demeaning. However, I’ve also had several extremely civil and intelligent discussions on this very article- One reason why I continue to follow it and respond.

            With that said, you don’t know me a whit- So you’ve got no ground to stand on. You did not attempt to engage me on an intellectual level… In fact, your initial response was meant to be as offensive as possible.

            In other words: You got exactly what you were looking for. Move along.

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          • Clinton says:

            RETS,
            Here’s where you’re incorrect. As I mentioned earlier, had you actually stepped outside of your dismal little world to reflect, the very fact that you’re using the “devil’s” device to spread lies and controversy is a choice. It’s not a job. You’re not spreading “God’s” word. Take some time out of your “bible Thumping” sessions and help thy fellow man and woman. I spent my entire afternoon packing food for those less fortunate and actually trying to make a difference, while you’re on this thread talking about people you “know a whit.” It’s impossible to have an intelligent conversation about a topic that is completely false.

            By the way we packed 360 boxes/11,000 lbs. of canned corn in one afternoon. Do you realize there’s people living in poverty in your city, your state and your country?

            And just so we’re clear, my initial response was to get you to wake up! Thus, you are incorrect yet again. It’s not happenstance that I found you here.

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      • It’s their right to not yours. It’s sites as ignorant about the ancient history of their own religion that’s ruining this world not the belief in gods most beautiful angel that just did not agree with his fathers orders. Hmmmmmm sounds familiar look it up so called Christians! And no I’m not a satanist. I grew up catholic in a catholic school and studied world religions and ancient Christianity. Remember….who said turn the other cheek. Think about it and shut down your fake blasphemous site. U have no clue

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        • who said turn the other cheek.

          The number of times this verse has been taken out of context is staggering, but the ways in which it has been twisted is truly mind-blowing.

          I challenge you, Frank, to explain in your own words just what that means.

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      • Wolf Lily says:

        OFWGKTA. this is what tyler wanted, don’t you see? youre all upset. when thats all he wanted. to piss you overly religious people off. he’s not a satanist he’s not religious. & hes out that youngin on his grind.
        so stop hating.
        wolf gang, golf wang. flog gnaw. 4lifeeeee.

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      • This is the longest thread I’ve even seen in my life. All those involved, especially the writer, should be ashamed and are sorry excuses for human beings. Step away from the computer and spend some time helping people instead of bashing them. God does not want this.

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        • Clinton:
          This is the longest thread I’ve even seen in my life.

          It is long, that’s for sure.

          Clinton:
          All those involved, especially the writer, should be ashamed…

          Really? Why is that, exactly? And for what, may I ask?

          I look through it and I see cause for repentance on my own part, certainly- And I’m sure the same could be said for others. However, you single out B&E- Why and what for?

          Have you anything to point out to hold your view? Anything of relevance to your statement? Is there any example you can give for which he, or I (I’ll not speak for anyone else), should be ashamed? Or are you merely making a kneejerk statement?

          Moreover, can you present biblical evidence for shaming?

          Clinton:
          God does not want this.

          Oh? Doesn’t want what exactly? And, more to the point, why should you be believed if you cannot even take the time to support your statement with Scripture?

          Clinton:
          Step away from the computer and spend some time helping people…

          This would be sage advice if you were speaking to people who spent every waking moment doing nothing else but sit at their computer and surf the web looking for trouble.

          However…

          There are these things called e-mail notifications. I get them on my Samsung Infuse 4G smartphone which I have for the express purpose of conducting business away from my office. I also happen to work ON a computer more often than not. I also happen to take time, as I am doing right now, to respond to comments such as yours.

          If you honestly believe that I am waiting desperately for someone like you to come along and make a comment I can rip apart; or that I am in some way lost without your wise counsel and guidance… You’ve got some ego.

          As for helping people, you have no idea what I or B&E do outside of our time at a computer. You have no idea the sorts of charities, ministries and/or personal endeavors either of us do- So should we “go help someone?” I personally do already, and have been long before you ever set eyes on this article.

          Clinton: …instead of bashing them.

          Oh, we should help people instead of “bash” them? Thank You SO Much! You have opened my eyes to the fact that you are just as “guilty” as we; and as such, you are also a hypocrite. After all, you engaged in a bit of “bashing” yourself- In case you forgot, you said that we were:

          Clinton:
          …sorry excuses for human beings…

          When you get down, or fall off, of that high horse- By all means, say hello. Otherwise, present something of substance. Or better yet- Just find something else to do!

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          • Doesn’t the Bible say something about giving and helping charities, churches and the needy and to do it privately and not boast. If one is truly wanting to help others they shouldn’t try to gain the glory of bragging about how great of a person they are by doing ‘”MORE” than another person and then telling the world what they did.

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            • Thank you, Steve. I’m not sure if it was clear, but that was the point I was attempting to make at the time.

              You summed it up very well, and I appreciate it.

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    • tellit like itis says:

      the only ignorant one here is the one not paying attention..bottom line is weather he chose to worship God or the dummy their will be consequences because either one is not a toy to play with.pray for him and all who are lost spiritually

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    • It’s not so much that this person isignorant, it’s just that this person is offended so much that it has blinded their ability to see Tyler as anything more than a satanist. Whether he is or not, I don’t know but I would assume he isn’t. I think that there is a simple solution to this problem. If you don’t like the message in the above stated artists’, don’t listen to their music. If what they are doing is truly evil, they will be smitten. I don’t want you people to think that I’m a extremely religious person but I do believe there is a God, and that God deserves at least some amount of respect. So do I personally approve of Tyler, the Creator’s lyrics? No. But I believe he’s within his rights to say what he feels, even if it isn’t what the world wants to hear. One last thing, for the people that believe that I’m some old person out there, I’m not. I’m a high school senior with maybe some not-so-high-school opinions on the world.

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      • Very intelligent comment. probably the only actual normal comment I’ve seen by someone with the argument you presented.

        This website was made to warn true Bible-believing Christians of what’s going on in the world today. That’s why this post was made, so that we could know what is happening to the music industry. It’s not so that we can all look at Tyler the Creator and say “Oh look at that evil scum, I’m so much better than him.” That’s the exact opposite of what we should think.

        If Tyler and people like him can express their opinions, so can we.

        Just wanted to clear that up.

        God bless.

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    • tyler the creator is the best <3!
      ofwgkta

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    • OFWGKTA FOR LIFE says:

      To the person that i am “replying” to. This is not towards you in any way but i couldnt find any other way to comment. To all of those commenting things such as; “I am so glad i found out about this now!” They are destroying our youth!” F– YOU ALL. OFWGKTA is a rap group that raps about rape, drugs, killing, and the devil. But what all you dont understand is that they arent serious. At all. All of it is to make dumb ignorant like you react exactly this way. Yes the main part of the group is atheist. BUT that does not mean they worship the devil. I hate people like you who judge a group of people like that. Its bull and you are ripping this world apart. If you did any research on websites BESIDES all of these websites and blogs that are “Christian” sites. The fact is they arent. They are all just like you. I bet atleast 75% of the people on here read half this blog, went onto youtube and watched yonkers, or sandwitches. And nearly s– in your f– pants then came back to this f– up blog and commented. Do some fucking research ignorant. God. Also feel free to email me at derekp40@hollandchristian.org. i would LOVE to hear you b– and moan more about OF.

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      • Hi Derek,

        Since you seem interested in a dialogue I would like to ask you a few questions. First off, why are you angry? Odd Future makes many, many comments insulting, judging, mocking and cursing people. And from your passion, you’re clearly a big fan. So why would it make you angry if someone judges them? Why is it any different to you?

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      • This is the art of deception. They want you to think they are not serious and they just want us to react. However we are living a time when prophecy is unfolding right before our eyes. This is the time of deception illusions and witchcraft. To say one thing and tell your fans that this is not who i really am or what i really do…. What is that???? nothing but deception. These artists know exactly what they are doing and who’s side they’re on. I believe that God has not given us a free will, but has given us a choice. Choose ye this day whom you will serve.

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      • Andrew prescod says:

        do you really think that “Christians” are ripping this world apart. do you believe in what the bible says. do you know that when these so called artist put these song put about murder, drugs, and Violence it gets into the minds of these kids. I’ve done enough research on the card to know that they are promoting poison to all ages. but I want you guys to research what Christianity is really about. I’m not here to judge you nor Condemn but I’m here to share the love of Jesus Christ cause that’s what the bible tells us to do. But I believe Jesus can save you just like He did me

        much love Drew

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      • God made you, DEAL WITH IT!

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    • OF is dumb and so are most of their fans. Christianity, and the Christian right at large is the cause of many a war, a culprit in destroying Earth’s natural resources, and enslaving humans and causing genocide. Those are among Christ’s followers’ WORST crimes, and tnere are many more. on top of that, a president is still “expected” to be a “god fearing” citizen before he enters the White House and the words “under god” are in our pledge of alleigance, being very disrespectful to alll other religious practicers feeling unrepresented (i.e. muslims, who think they are just as right as you think you are, but have virtually no power in the States making it hard to target them.) So naturally young people now have a lot of distrust, and even hatred for the morally corrupt, Christian powers that be. Odd Future is pretty lowbrow and generally only very stupid people listen to it, so your God’s army won’t be missing its prime players. What you have to worry about are the smarter people who have known all along what OF and co are convincing your children: that God is a falsehood and society needs to free itself of religion if it ever wants to progress and become successful.

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      • TP, I wonder if you could point to a single instance of successful, religion-free society? Could you cite any instance for me? I’m just curious, because I may be completely wrong on my entire stance. If you could point to even one example, I’d greatly appreciate it.

        Thanks.

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        • No, I can’t, even the most charitable and with the least poverty have held some form of belief system, whether rudimentary or organized. But that’s all they’ve ever been: belief systems. It would be interesting to see what a truly non-denominational society would look like. I’m not sure whether not Japan currently has a standard belief system. Anyway, I’m not here to trample on your view point, though I may have gotten carried away with my opinions. I’m merely offering the idea that OF may be simply criticizing the mistakes of Christianity and its overbearing powrr over society. Jesus has many good things to say. I don’t think his lessons should be lost, but there are many aspects of Christianity that think can be seen as “ugly” to some people.

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          • I wasn’t suggesting that you were here to trample beliefs. I was simply looking to find out if you had clear evidence of your assertion: That a “society needs to free itself of religion if it ever wants to progress and become successful.”

            It would seem that such an assertion cannot be made with such conviction when there is no supporting evidence for it. It can be made as a statement of belief; I.E. “I believe that society needs to free itself of religion if it ever wants to progress and become successful.” However, much like the theory of evolution, it cannot be used in such a concrete manner for the simple fact that no solid evidence exists to support it.

            Indeed, the societies throughout history that could be described by your statement, while not being completely free of religion, were themselves conquered by societies that were rife with religion. While some may point to this statement and call it proof of the point you made, I point to the fact that their religions seemed to make them MORE successful; MORE likely to progress; and far MORE powerful in every imaginable way.

            Let me give you an example.

            By the time that Rome conquered Greece, much of the ruling class in Greece had moved from the deities of its mythology to a near deified view of philosophy. The poorer class still clung to their religion, but even they no longer held to it as they once did. Rome, on the other hand, was still very much a barbaric tribe with their own specific mythology: One that they did in fact believe in.
            Rome conquered Greece; a religiously motivated society conquered a society that best fits your description; and did so with comparatively little effort. It was only when Rome itself began to fall away from its religion that it weakened and became susceptible to attack from various other tribes; tribes such as the Gauls, which had been biding their time after an initial conflict with one of the best known Roman emperors, Julius Caesar.

            So, history itself seems to teach the exact opposite of what you say. However, I do agree: Christianity has been at the heart of a great many brutalities throughout the ages. I believe, however, you do yourself a great disservice in not listing other religions as well: Religions such as Islam, Hinduism, Shintoism- Even Mormonism, which is not recognized by mainline Christianity as Christianity, has had its own bloody past.

            Thus, the question ought to be, “Who or what is to blame for the atrocities we’ve seen throughout history?” We’ve already seen that people with religion actually are more successful in history- So religion on its own cannot be solely responsible. What else could there be?

            Any ideas?

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          • @TP
            Here is an article you may find interesting: http://www.crossroad.to/Victory/testimonies/Japan.htm

            You had mentioned Japan and wondered about their current belief, which are Shintoism and Buddhism. Like the rest of their world they too have problems.

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      • If you knew any thing about Christianity you would know that the basis of our faith is love and to even love our enemies Jesus Christ never taught any one to violent.

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      • To suggest that all OF fans are dumb is a complete over generalization. Granted, as a fan myself I am biased, but the vast majority of OF fans that I have come in contact with are more aware of current events and have probably a stronger concept of their faith then people from many other walks of life. The music is for the most part intended to offend people, which obviously worked because countless christians think they are satanists. The attention ploy has obviously worked out pretty well for them so I wouldn’t call them stupid either. Their lyrics, though pretty heinous, are often very clever and occasionally insightful.

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    • Not a reply to the initial comment poster: I find it funny to see a faith that has carried out so many atrocities in their history,including some of the things addressed in odd futures lyrics, condemning the actions of a few who merely want to create music they enjoy and entertain their fans.To wrap it all up believe in what you want, we are lucky enough to have that option here in the United States, sadly many other cultures haven’t been given the same luxury.

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      • What atrocities have been carried out by the Christian faith?

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        • The murders of pagan priests and destruction of their temples, the beheading of Saxons unwilling to convert to Christianity by Charlemagne,the decapitation if the “wild Irish”,the crusades,the destruction of native Americans in the “new colony” I could continue but that seems like a fair list. Also what about the altar boys sexually assaulted by priests of the Catholic Church ?

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          • Just an observation and I’ll leave it at that…

            Every one of the peoples you referenced were doing the exact same things to each other, which while not justifying what did take place, certainly places it in the “business as usual” category, ironically nullifying the assertion that they were, in fact, Christians.

            As for the alter boys… Are you suggesting that the entire Christian faith is responsible for the actions brought about by the baseless and heretical edicts of the Catholic Church? The answer is obvious, so you need not reply; I just have a major problem with the assertion and always have.

            Please continue.

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  2. Just how is he being ignorant? This rapper is saying blasphemous things about our savior, so this man writes an article explaining very correctly what he is trying to do with his music, and HE is the ignorant one? I will pray for you. This will also be my first and last comment, because I do not wish to fight.

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    • Okay, first of all, it’s ‘saviour’..the american way of spelling is atrocious and ignorant. Even today americans are using ‘than’ and ‘then’ interchangeably, sad.
      Anyway the first comment is right. The author of this article is ignorant to facts.
      Facts – the cross should hold no place in Christianity because it was built by man as a ‘relgious symbol’ for years and years. Would you rather listen to man than God? It seems so.
      The inverted cross is not ‘blasphemous’ because as stated, it is mocking the works of man, not god.
      Also, you may say jesus died on a cross so we shall worship him on it. If they tied Jesus to a boulder and did the same things that was done to him, would we worship a boulder?
      Aleister Crowley was just a man who believed in his own thing. just like the different denominations of Christians believe in different things. Who are we to talk ill of him? What has he done? Did he kill people? or molest young boys like the good ol catholic church?
      Don’t even get me started on the whole ‘666’ issue.
      Anyway my advice is for everyone to mind their own business and carry on with their own religious affiliation, because why do you think jesus was killed? why do you think people were wrongly accused of being ‘witches’? And why during the ages so many people were burned alive? Nobody minded their own damn business.
      If these people are ‘devil worshippers’ then so be it, are you taking on their sin? Why are you people having a meltdown over them? Are you afraid of them? Then you have no faith if you’re scared.

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      • THANK YOU, YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT. Bible humpers are annoying, you my friend, are the truth.

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        • OK OK lets listen and reason for a second here. I understand because I am an “American” I’m a retard that lacks Grammatical skills (that is not right to say and it is very very bias) but on to the real issue. I have little brothers ages 10-14 and whether the facts are right or not I would be highly upset if I were to catch my brothers exposed to the Tyler the creator video in where he hangs himself (which seems like promotion of suicide). As far as the other comments made. Orthodox Christians do not associate catholics with our denominations because their theology is vastly based on church doctrine instead of the Bible. Example of this is what you were saying (which was very correct) that we a Christians should worship God not an object. I wear a cross (that doesn’t have Jesus on it) as simply a symbol in remembrance of the sacrifice that Jesus made for sin, but that’s all it is A SYMBOL. But back to the issue these young men depicted are very disturbed young men and because suicide and other issues like drug abuse, rape, etc, should not be tolerated for teens to listen to. At the end of the day its all up to the parents and what they allow their children to listen to though, but even still These guys have specifically gave messages to children on MTV and in interviews and that’s not OK.,.

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          • All he said on tv is for kids to go against the system and not be afraid to do u…I Will admit he could’ve said it in a better way but uh nobody told u to have it kids up at that time or to listen to his music

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          • All he said on tv is for kids to go against the system and not be afraid to do u…I Will admit he could’ve said it in a better way but uh nobody told u to have it kids up at that time or to listen to his music

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          • Caring Mom says:

            I agree with Anthony. My son is 14 years old and regardless if we do not allow him to listen to this music there are many ways to get a hold of listening to them, especially with the technology we have now. Their classmates and friends are listening to this. I found out my son was listening to this music just recently. I was unaware of Tyler the Creator so I looked him up. I listened to his music and watched his videos and I was in complete shock. Before I found out he was listening to this music from a classmates iPod my son started writing the numbers 666, OFGKTA, upside down cross on his note books, sneakers, hats, writing rap songs that talk about killing family and friends, writing about suicide, writing about rape, singing the songs at school and getting suspended for it. I am not saying that Tyler the Creator is at fault because my son is responsible for his actions but I feel that before my son was able to completely understand what Jesus Christ did for us he was learning about the antichrist from young rap artists. Right now my son is having a difficult time finding himself and this is just wrong what these rap artists are doing. Young teens are looking for acceptance from peers, trying to fit in this is why we have so many teen suicides and rap artisits like Tyler the Creator are not helping the situation they are making naive teens believe they are the antichrist. It is unfortunate that these rap artists have to take it to this level in order for them to gain money that states “In God We Trust”.

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          • peter temple says:

            How dare you say Catholic Christianity is not based on the Bible? Every homily (sermon) at every Mass is a close reading of an extract from the Bible. Catholicism is completely Christ-centred. And please don’t sing me the old song about pedophile priests. They are an embarrassment to the church just as corrupt politicians are an embarrassment to their party and/or country. There are failures in all walks of life. But the central message of Catholicism is right out of the Bible. OK?

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          • father of two says:

            hello my name is christopher and i am a father of two. i have a seventeen year old daughter and a fourteen year old son. both of them follow tyler the creator very closely an i see no problem. i go to church every sunday, and my children accompany me. i have taken and watched them while at tyler the creator’s concerts. they saved up money and got backstage passes, tyler is a very funny very judged young man. at first i was concerned myself, and only allowed my children to go to this concert so i would have a chance to give him a piece of my mind.
            he only makes these lyrics so audacious and offensive to laugh later on, and watch as the christians and “do-gooders” of society who say judge not one another, sit a judge him so harshly.
            he means nothing he says in a song. and even told my children that the song is just a song, and not to do what his lyrics talk about. although he said this after i told him my son was drawing the inverted cross on his binder. \

            and this is just an after thought. he doesnt mean his lyrics and he isnt telling anyone to go to a crossroad and sell their soul. he isnt saying to go rape someone. but if someone interperits the song to be saying that then its the listeners fault not the writer.

            the bible says to sleep with your sisters and brothers (refering to adam and eve, there was no way two people can pro create without incest happening in later generations) and yet when people do commit incest, we look upon them with eyes of disgust. where does incest occur most? in the bible belt where nearly everyone reads the bible and attends church.

            im sorry for my writing style’s sloppiness, but i write as it hits my head. so just think of what you are all saying, and realize its the listeners own fault for taking the wrong message from the song.

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          • Virtuouswon says:

            Father of TWO: Wow, you’re more dangerous than Tyler. At least he isn’t pulling a sheepskin over his “wolf”
            Praying for us all.

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      • real s– though, i believe in the illuminati and subliminal messages and symbolism, im super down with the killuminati, but this is a guy whos music you dont have to listen to, word of advice, dont listen t his music if you dont want, get off his –, and worry about your kids watching disney channel instead (walt disney was a 33rd degree freemason)

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      • wow that actually changed my prospective on this subject! i like the examples you used makes sense

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      • I don’t understand why all of you are standing up for him (tyler) … he is sending subliminal messages I know everybody sees them and if you say you don’t and he’s really sending another message then you’re just making excuses for him. this is not art , if so then you’re saying the devilcould be a form of art …. F— THAT. this is really sad got this is making him famous…

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        • Who are you to say what is and isnt art?

          And just to clear up, tyler has multiple personas for his albums
          Wolf haley is the murderous and rebellious type,
          Tyler himself, is crazy, but normally law abiding.
          The lines “We’ll buy guns an kill those kids with dads and mom’s”
          Is spoken thru wolf haleys viewpoint,

          IN FACT,

          The entire GOBLIN album, is cinematic.
          Its tyler in a Counsiling meeting.

          GolfWang

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      • ILOVEJESUS! says:

        Hunny, Symbolism does exist. The cross is not a mere object, it symbolizes the sacrifice Jesus made for the salvation of his people. Our values and beliefs is what determines what meaning we attach to certain objects. Having said that, if someone is to turn a cross upside down that is disrespect to people who consider the cross as remembrance of our saviour. It is poking fun at the symbolism of the cross. So, “The inverted cross is ‘blasphemous’ because as stated, it IS mocking the crucification of Jesus. People only care about what these misguided souls (celebrities) promote because it is misleading to those whom they love, and wish to see in heaven. For them to unconsciously worship, and idolize these demons is detrimental to their progression and full acceptance of Christ. You just sound ignorant. Using big words don’t make your argument any stronger because your defensive explanation is vague and just plain stupid.

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        • Caring Mom says:

          I agree ILOVE JESUS. The people who this misleads are the young naive kids who are unaware or uneducated of what the symbolism is, what Jesus Christ did for us, what the bible states and how we should honor God. My son is having a hard time and this type of music is just not helping teens like him.

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          • look if i was a parent and my son was doing this id be concerned too, but maybe hes pissed because your telling him whats the truth about the world, instead of letting him think for himself?

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          • tiredofchristianignorance says:

            Exactly, no respect for parents who have to force their views and religion on their kids. Just because I listen to the music does not mean I’m some devil worshipping witch, not everyone has to believe in your god either, lighten up.

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            • And I’ve precious little respect for anyone and everyone who does not show it themselves. Guys like Tyler and others that were not mentioned in this article scream for respect- Yet, in my view, if they give none, why should they get any? I’m not writing blank checks to thieves; I’m not bleeding without compensation; and I’m not working for free- Why should ANYONE receive respect from me if they do not show they’re capable of it themselves?

              That brings me to many of the comments on this page, though not necessarily yours, ToCI. How many of these comments have been left by self-proclaimed kids, who also declare they’re “good kids,” yet at the same time show zero respect but demand it for themselves regardless? Very little in life is free, and respect is earned, not granted at first demand. Like trust, there must be something for it to be built upon.

              Now, ToCI, you state that parents ought not force their beliefs and religion onto their kids. I can agree with you to a certain point: There comes a time in every child’s life when they must learn to make decisions on their own, and choose whom they will serve, if you will. Prior to that point, however, they OUGHT to be brought up with discipline- Not abuse, and not being pandered to either.

              Ever read Lord of the Flies? There’s a very interesting story written on the concept of children suddenly without parents. The children in that book attempt to decide for themselves what’s best, and it blows up in their faces. The scary thing about that book is that, while it’s does a very good job of portraying a world where kids’ rule gives way to chaos, it was written in the 1950’s. How much worse would it have gotten if someone were to write an updated version?

              So, basically, parents have my respect if they’re attempting to raise their kids to be respectful, law-abiding, and yes, God fearing. They gain more of my respect when they know when to let go and let their kids begin to learn for themselves.

              Finally, as for believing in my God… I don’t need to force anyone to believe. Not Tyler, not Lil’ B, not even you, ToCI. In the end, whether now or in the world to come, you WILL believe anyway. That’s all there is to it. People will bow their knees to Him here, in this life; or they will do so there, when it is potentially too late. I’m not looking to have, or make, anyone BELIEVE in God.

              I’m looking to help people find a relationship with Him. If you don’t want it, that’s your choice- I’m not the sort of person who would force you. I can laugh and joke around with you or anyone else without having religious beliefs in common. Eventually, however, you WILL BELIEVE. Period. End of story.

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        • Redsouse says:

          the Upside down cross is the cross of saint Peter used all over the catholic church its not a satanic symbol mocking anything

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          • Redsouse: the Upside down cross is the cross of saint Peter used all over the catholic church its not a satanic symbol mocking anything

            Correct, yet incorrect.

            You are correct that it is the cross of St. Peter. This hails back to him declaring himself unworthy of dying in the same manner as Christ. For many years, centuries, even, it was considered one of the greatest symbols of piety ever known. This is the reason it is still used today by the Vatican.

            However, far more recently, (within the last six hundred years, or so), there has been a movement among some occultists, satanists, and lucifarians which uses this symbol. Having once been that and more, let me see if I can recite for you what the upside down cross means in these circles:

            “The world is upside down- Salvation through Jesus is nothing more than the chains of slavery, for man’s supposed fall was only a rise to divinity. Thus, up is down; down is up; left is right; light is supreme darkness and darkness is light.”

            Take the message of St. Peter’s cross as related within these groups, and compare it to the lyrics found within many of the songs discussed herein. It might surprise you, it might not.

            It IS worth closer examination.

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      • Interesting, GG. I only went as far as you first sentence and I see ignorance: It is deemed “American English” for a reason, knucklehead. You type out this expansive response, THEN post it; yet, you remain more ignorant THAN the gentlemen you revile.
        Moreover, for an individual who claims to be appalled by the “incorrect spelling” of the word “savior,” you display a tremendously loose grasp on some key points of grammatical structure… Or did you simply forget that your use of the word “anyway” required a comma?

        I THEN proceeded to the very next two sentences, and discover this gem of a statement:

        “Facts – the cross should hold no place in Christianity…”

        Fact: “The preaching of the CROSS is, to those who perish, foolishness; but to we who are saved, it is the power of God.” ~ 1 Corinthians 1:18
        Considering your next statements relegate the cross to foolishness, may I THEN assume that your entire comment is less than authoritative? Were I to listen to you on this issue, I most certainly would be listening to “man [rather] than God.”

        The inverted cross was originally used by the Christian church in its early days. It is known as St. Peter’s Cross, for Peter declared at his execution that he was not worthy to be crucified in the same manner as his Lord. He was subsequently executed upside down. Over time, however, certain satanic, anarchistic and humanistic groups have claimed it as their own, thus lending an air of “blasphemy” to it. While the symbol on its own is not, in any way, blasphemous, its presence demands one pay attention to the manafesto being issued in conjuction with its display. In this case, it is a blasphemous useage.

        I know of no Christian that worships Christ “on it [the cross].” While certain sects depict Him upon the cross, this is done solely to signify the ultimate sacrifice that was made by Him for all of humanity. (You as well.) One example of a group that does use the crucifix as an idol, or something to worship, is certain branches of Santaria. However, as Santaria is itself an amalgamation of Catholicism, voodoo and mysticism, among other things, it cannot be considered true Christianity.
        So, would Christians worship a bolder if Christ had met His death on it? Certainly not, as no Christian truly worships the cross.

        Aleister Crowley was a man who absolutely believed, and acted in accordance with, “his own thing.” Every denomination of the Christian church, (and Christian being defined as people who follow Christ and order their lives according to His Word), may do their own thing according to your standpoint; however, there are vast differences. Aleister Crowley devoted his entire life to every aspect contrary to the Bible and Jesus the Christ.
        The varying denominations, however different in style of worship, dress and speech, hold true to the fact that Christ was the Son of God; that He was born of a virgin; that He died on a cross; that He rose after three days; and that He will return again. If a supposedly “christian” group does not believe in any one of these things, even if they claim to hold to the others, they are not truly Christian.
        So what is the point of this rather verbous entry? According to the Bible, Aleister Crowley was an enemy of God- Thus, I and any other Christian can absolutely speak against his words and his actions. “Did he kill people?” Possibly- It was never proven. “Did he molest young boys like the good ol catholic church?” Possibly, though again, it can never be proven.

        Why would you not start on the “666 issue?” You’ve already touched upon nearly everything else! While there are many interpretations of the “666” issue, based upon your prior expressions of opinion, I would venture to say that anything you spouted would be imbecilic and factually impotent anyway. Thus, perhaps it is a good thing you did not deign it necessary to get started on the “666 issue,” after all.

        While I do agree that it is indeed best if everyone carried on with their own affairs; I must point out that those who cannot seem to mind their own business, such as you and I, would be highly out of place! However, as you have posited several queries, I will address these, then leave you to it, as the saying goes. (While I am sure you originally considered them to be rhetorical, you unintentionally destroyed your own argument, I’m afraid.)

        “…[W]hy do you think Jesus was killed?” ‘Because He spoke out against the accepted order of things’ is perhaps the answer you thought you may receive. However, Christ was killed, not for being a rebel, but for claiming to be God, and the Son of God. To this day, Orthodox Jews believe that Christ was a great rabbi, but reject the idea that He was the Messiah. The reason for this? They still believe that the Messiah will come from a royal line descended of King David, though such a line of royalty does not exist as such. Today the line of David is much the same as it was in the days of Christ: Commoners, in common trades.
        In other words, Jesus was killed for claiming to be exactly what He was.

        “Why do you think people were wrongly accused of being witches?” Ironically enough, because everyone was minding their own business, dear GG. You see, while the corruption within the church continued to grow, and more and more of the clergy began to “do [their] own thing,” very few were left pointing out the trouble. Thus, it was easy to remove these voices of dissention: Burn them as witches.
        Of course, this was not the only reason people were so executed. Some truly were witches; some were criminals, and witches had a much swifter execution; and some were merely insane. In those days, however, as superstition ran wild in the hearts and minds of pauper and noble alike, power was held by those who controlled the fear. Thus, the church became full of people who had no dedication to Christ, but were instead drawn to the allure of power.

        “…[A]re you taking on their sin?” Good heavens, no! I have been there, and done that, and I refuse to go back there. If they are Satan worshippers, then I have no problem with outting them to anyone who may not understand what they’re listening to, and would not wish to be mentally ingesting the tripe being fed them through these lyrics. If, however, you wish to listen to it… By all means, I’ll not force you to desist.

        “Why are you people having a meltdown…?” 1 Peter 4:17- ‘For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?’ In other words, this sort of music ought not be within the ownership of any follower of Christ. Now, if you meant that individuals are seemingly upset for no reason and sticking their noses in the business of others, well, perhaps it is because we are told to do so. (In a manner of speaking.)
        ‘Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.’ (Matthew 28:19,20) In order for me to uphold this commission, I must speak the WHOLE Gospel, and not just the fuzzy parts. Ergo, these men are liars and deceivers; children of the Devil, as I once was. How are they children of the Devil? According to 1 John 3:10, anyone who does not act with righteousness is just that.

        “Are you afraid of them?” No. When I was unsaved, I looked down the barrel of a 357 Magnum being held by a drug dealer who figured I owed him money. I was not afraid then, and I’ve only gotten bolder. For the Christian, the question is this: ‘What is the worst this person could possible do to me?’ The answer, of course, is kill me. That’s it. They cannot do anything more; and for a follower of Christ, death is only a doorway to the presence of our Lord.
        So, if not fear for ourselves, why are we so adament in confronting what is evil, wrong and sinful? Because, though many see it as otherwise, we are concerned for the wellbeing of others. While you may not care in the least for yourself, and may wish others would cease caring for you, such is not the case for all. Thus, we are concerned for the spiritual health, and final destination, of everyone around us.

        “Then you have no faith if you’re scared.” No, I’m afraid here you are wrong as well. ‘Perfect love casts out fear.’ There is nowhere within the Bible that states the absence of FAITH causes fear, though it does say throughout that the fear takes hold where there is no love. Furthermore, as I’ve just demonstrated that the confrontation of sinful, evil and wrong behavior is done out of love, (concern for others being one of the trademarks of true love), there is no being “scared” here.

        Thank you, GG, for an invigorating morning exercise!

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      • tellit like itis says:

        arent we defensive ..sounds like you worship devil yourself and a 2 face you can quote bible verses tells me you at one time read the word..now you use it as a defense to rationalize the road you chose to turn to… every knee including your god satan shall bow to GOD IN HEAVEN and CONFESS tHATl “‘ he is lord ” AMEN HALLELUYAH I GIVE GOD ALMIGHTY ALL THE VICTORY….

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        • AnotherOne says:

          Oh my gosh.

          No one wants to hear your all-caps proclamation to God. (exceptions, exceptions…)
          Understand that your personal religious beliefs might not apply to everyone.
          Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
          Everyone can choose to believe what they want.
          But,
          No one has the right to undermine someone else’s belief or to tell them that their belief is the only true one and that it applies to everyone. Don’t say someone is wrong because you think you’re right.

          One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

          I’m not mad about Tyler’s art. It’s great that he can choose to do what he wants and not care what you think.
          I’m also not mad about your strong beliefs but I am pretty upset how you want to make it apply to everyone even though it necessarily doesn’t.

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      • SpeakTruth says:

        You say he’s ignorant but you seem to know nothing about the bible look I believe In god and consider myself a follower of Christ I agree people over do this anti Christ illuminati bs but seriously this guy does everything possible to show you he’s not atheist but believes In satanic ways I was a fan of eminent remember him sayin some crazy shy but this guy is completely cross the line but I will admit I listened to him and can completely understand why people like this guy but seriously on a non hating level I can name 15 rappers that would chew this weak kid alive and him agreeing that teens should have rights to kill themselves? Look no kid should have a green light on suicide the rate on that’s already been terrible an kids with even good life’s and there deaths mean there won’t be another of there generation or there future or life’s they change doesn’t happen look bottom line this kids got issues I don’t support this nasty guy and ruining children and I blame people like this for are s— corrupted generation are youth been f— and for all I know we been to seems the world really took a f–d turn since the 90s..

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        • I can appreciate your passion, but I do have a request… In the future, could you maybe work on punctuation? This post was just a touch too difficult to read.

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    • Sorry, but don’t say “our” as if he is. Speak for yourself. As for the music I don’t find it cool at all. Being an American teenager I can clearly see tht this group is nothing more than a group of kids trying to get famous off of being different than everyone else

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    • To say that he is ignorant for stating is mind is ignorance in itself. The author is not telling you whether or not you should be listening to this music. He is simply paralleling current events in the entertainment industry to the Bible and reaching the conclusion that this type of music is a sin according to the Bible and that the world is slowly becoming more accepting to blasphemy against the Judeo-Christian God and its beliefs. What is so ignorant about this? It’s funny how fools are always the first to call others ignorant simply because of a difference of opinion.

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    • you are exactly right no one should say that and that crap is offensive to christians so tyler get the heck outta rapping cuz you suck and you can keep your hating god inside of you dont say it in songs. Whoever votes for odd future to get kicked out of rap we should get them all out Ahahahhhh i hate them with a passion

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      • If OFWGKTA can’t say what they believe, then neither can you.

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        • Caring Mom says:

          Doesn’t your money say “In God We Trust”? Yes, freedom of speech of what you believe in but talking about suicide, rape, murder, demonic entities. This is just wrong and misleads a lot of the population that listens to this type of music which are the kids of OUR future.

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          • CommonSense+knowledge=Power says:

            HOnestly don’t you ever wonder what happened to all the corrupt preist and people of the church ? why does our money the only Bill in the world speak about god ? i believe that there is a god but i do not believe in religion.

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    • Lol do none of you understand what he is trying to get across with his messages? He is trying to relay to this is how teenagers have always been, they are emotional. He is trying to show you the reality of how being a rap artist is, and how being a teenager really is. Teenagers are not happy go lucky like pop culture tries to push, but teenagers have problems and need to vent or speak about them.

      Speaking about anti-christian lyrics, he is simply explaining he does not believe in it with what he says.

      A lot of his music is about how he hates modern, drone, copy and paste, pop culture music due to the lack of artistic usage that most of our favorite pop artists use. Most of pop culture is all about being an idol, not really being an “artist” and creating something that is new and intuitive.

      If you do not understand this, please do not put your opinion in because it not an opinion that comes from understanding or knowledge but ignorance and closed mindedness.

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      • Chill 666….obviousy u love darkness …..hence the name 666……there is a big difference in not believing in something and simpy bashing an entire religion…i mean he talks about fucking jesus up…straight disrespectul….i mean there are “supposedly” many different real religions….why not mock buddah or shiva…but no every mainstream artist has to mock the only monotheistic religion in the world…. is this pure coincidence????? and as far as creativity goes hes a black eminem nothing new here…its no more love in the world for jews,christians or muslims…..wake up people…how long will u let the man play u…..and of course its for the kids after all in 10 years theyre the new adults can u imagine adults with tyler the creators way of thinking…..whoooo get ready for a extra crazy world in the near future…May Jehova Bless you all….when the first life is over and ur ressurected for judgement….what will you say to the supreme being….and where will u spend eternity????? It is promised ….its a miracle in itself that man still walks the earth

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  3. I’m a christian and i attend the Church of Christ and i believe that the bible is reviling it self and that thing of this nature is only going to continue on we as christian need to stay perpare like a watchman on the wall, make sure that 1. Believe in jesus john 8:24 2. Repent Luke 13:3 3. confess faith in christ Matt 10:32 4. Be Baptized Mk 16:16 We Christain need to have mad love for one another and follow God in one mind.

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  4. Even if none of this was true and was all being done for attention, it is blasphemous against God. You DO NOT play around with God like this! Even if there is no Illuminati or New World Order this is sinful by any stretch of the imagination! If you are Superman you DO NOT feed the masses kryptonite! Because these artist are looked up to it is their responsibility to be a role model and to do and say the right things. Leaders have influence as do artists and to use that influence to promote a Satanic message, real or imagined is unacceptable.

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    • I agree with your statement….but i also disagree with it…..i dont play around with GOD or Jesus and I dont listen to music or people that disparage God…..and i will never buy or listen to any of the above artist music……But i think they have the right to make and market their music….if its an audience for it…..this is a free country and God gives us free will…and in the united states of america u have a right to rise or fall….and i dont think that right should be taking from them cause “I” disagree with everything they stand for.

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  5. 666 thank you Tyler for creating this music to jam to.
    Hail dat Satan n1gga, praise him for empowerin you

    Keep ya open Creator you a beast, i respect you and we worship to da same God, the only

    rest of you ignorant Christ suckers get ready for dat Lux Eternae boi

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    • Have fun burning eternally in Hell

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      • LarryOFWGKTA says:

        even though i dont agree with what whytri said, is it christian to tell somebody that, i swear yall make me wanna go against my religion, do i listen to OF, yeah, say what you want about them, but they realer than yall fake christians.

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        • WORD. You are soo right, the church can’t do s— about the music undustry, it’s a free country after all…

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        • tellit like itis says:

          Carter: Chill 666….obviousy u love darkness …..hence the name 666……there is a big difference in not believing in something and simpy bashing an entire religion…i mean he talks about f–ng jesus up…straight disrespectul….i mean there are “supposedly” many different real religions….why not mock buddah or shiva…but no every mainstream artist has to mock the only monotheistic religion in the world…. is this pure coincidence????? and as far as creativity goes hes a black eminem nothing new here…its no more love in the world for jews,christians or muslims…..wake up people…how long will u let the man play u…..and of course its for the kids after all in 10 years theyre the new adults can u imagine adults with tyler the creators way of thinking…..whoooo get ready for a extra crazy world in the near future…May Jehova Bless you all….when the first life is over and ur ressurected for judgement….what will you say to the supreme being….and where will u spend eternity????? It is promised ….its a miracle in itself that man still walks the earth

          LARRY JUST LIKE ALL IGNORANT N– ARE THE SAME AS WITH CHRISTIANS ,,,STOP BEING IGNORANT LET GOD DO THE JUDGING…

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        • BlahBlah123 says:

          Yes, I Agree. With Larry OFWGKTA. This Is Why I Share No Interest For Religion You People Are Pure Hyprocriates But You Will Sit In Church All Day Talking About How Only God Can Judge. Well Go By What You Preach And ONLY Let God Judge….

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          • By that phrase alone, I believe you confuse most Christians with Tupac.

            You share no interest in religion, because you yourself are as hypocritical as you claim those who are religious to be; your assumption here proves the matter.

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      • How do you know that Hell exists? Have you ever been to hell before? Why don’t you shut the fuck up before you speak on shit you know nothing about. F— religious nuts.

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    • Have fun burning in Hell while Satan is laughing at you for eternity and learn how to spell.

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      • You Christians and satanists are f— retardsss!!! Good is real. Evil is real. THERE IS NO INTELIGENT FORCE CONTROLING THEM!! U ARE THE DEVIL! YOU ARE GOD!! The sooner people start getting this the less problems this world will have to deal with

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        • This by far is the most STUPIDEST point made by far. The fact that you said Christians are retards is the exactly the point of this article is trying to make. But you managed to uut-retard yourself when you said that Satanists are retarded and then following by saying “you are the devil! you are God!” because thats actually what Satanists believe. Since Christians are supposed to be self-LESS they are naturally going to be selfish. Common sense, no? So go inform yourself retard! And stay retarded in your retardedness.

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        • tellit like itis says:

          TO TNOW WE SHOULD START WITHYOU AS SOON AS YOU ARE GOTTEN RID OF AND ALL THE ANTICHRIST THE WORLD WOULD BE BETTER THIS IS GODS WORLD ALL YOU TRESSPASSERS …GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!!!! SINCE YOU LIKE HELL SO MUCH GO BACK AND STAY THERE…

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    • Thts not even f—- cool dude. Stop following this crap. Ur better than this ur jus too stupid to know it

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    • you will die and burn forever so have a great time and dont forget to die with a full stomach and dont forget to go potty before you go dont want you to wet the death bed

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    • CommonSense+knowledge=Power says:

      0 likes and spelling errors i think youare on your own sonny boy.

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  6. Well this is the attention that Satan wants, let’s just ignore the people who do this things and live our life in order of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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  7. Unsurprised says:

    Tyler? Mao ng klaro nga nawng ug unggoy. Let us not patronized this blasphemous rap “artist”.
    he probably just wants notoriety like Lady Gaga.
    They say satanism is not evil, so sacrificing an alive Person in their rituals doesn’t make it evil?

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  8. Corrections says:

    There are so many incorrect statements made throughout this article:

    1.“This meeting just begun, n—- I’m Satan’s son” was referring to his father, he sees his father as the devil because he had sex with his mother and bailed. He took no responsibility for tyler as a child. Tyler did not have a father growing up which is why he refers to him as the satan.

    2“God is the cancer” this was not said by Tyler, The Creator. It was said by another member of odd future, Hodgy Beats. The full lyric is
    “You told me God was the answer, when I ask him for s*it, I get no answer, so God is the cancer.”

    Many thiests believe that God will fix everything. Hodgy, an outspoken atheist, disagrees
    He initially put his faith in the guidance of those (like his mother) that told him about God, but his prayers went unanswered. This left him with a strong distaste for religion, and made him distrustful of his mother’s advice. He feels that believing in a false higher power is poison for the mind

    3.”Tyler with Black Pupils in His Video for “Bastard.”” the still shot was from the song Yonkers.

    Of course you bring up the few lyrics when he mentions the devil. Kanye West talks about the devil in most of his album “my beautiful dark twisted fantasy”, but he’s not mentioned on this list. There are several artists who mention the devil, yet you find a couple of lyrics from Earl and Tyler, The creator and label them as satanists? He put black contacts in his eyes and ate appeared to eat cockroach…so what? I don’t see you judging the person who made the horror film. What about all of the creative geniuses who make the horror films? It’s okay for them to make a movie with that stuff in it, but it’s not okay for him to put it in a music video?

    There are two christians in Odd Future, Domo Genesis and Frank Ocean.
    “I believe Jehovah Jireh” first line of his song “we try” so get your facts straight.

    Additionally, an athiest is someone who does not believe in God…correct? So why would he believe in the devil if he doesn’t believe in God? Only a few songs of his reference the devil, but of course you take his metaphors out of context and label him as a satanist.

    Part of being a christian is not judging other people, Jesus did not walk around with righteous holy rolling people…he was with the prostitutes, thugs, atheists, drug addicts…etc. If you don’t like the music, don’t listen to it. If you really want to do something productive, go about ministering people differently.

    On to the next part of your article…you talk about Kevin Jonas wearing a shirt that had Crowley on it. Their father was a musical director for a church, they were all very involved in the church and the Jonas brothers are open to everyone about their love for Jesus. Do you honestly think he walked into a store, saw the shirt and said “ohh I want to be rebellious tot he christian faith, I’m going to wear a shirt with Crowley on it.” No. I doubt he even knows who Crowley is. I didn’t before seeing this article. He probably saw the shirt and thought it was cool. Don’t twist things around.

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    • Greetings,

      1. As for the lyrics of Odd Future, they have a lot of anti-God lyrics, but they’re so full of profanity I chose not to include a number of them.

      2. Thanks so much for reminded me that the video was for “Yonkers”. I have a mental block with those 2 songs and always mix them up.

      3. Judgment — Jesus hung out with all sorts of sinners, however He did not condone their actions. He brought the light of goodness to people’s lives. The Bible says: “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” To reprove means to expose and show that something is wrong by proof. And this article’s purpose is to show the fruits of these artists and let the reader decide. The statements of a person make do not have much significance in comparison to their actions. And the greater concern we have is for the people listening to make sure they understand the spiritual component of music like this and then make an informed decision for themselves. In the end, it’s always the individual’s choice. God bless.

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      • Corrections says:

        “On his hit song, “Yonkers”, Tyler the Creator sings lyrics referencing his demonic possession. Interestingly, he also puts on contacts that make his eyes look completely black.”

        Wrong yet again, “Yonkers: mentions nothing about his “demonic possession” so the correlation between the contacts and the “demon possession” is invalid.
        If you’re going to feed the public, at least feed them SOME of the truth.
        Additionally, I see you failed to address all of the points I made in my comment. I guess the rest of what I said was accurate.
        God Bless

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        • Yonkers waS MEnt to be a joke song. He said it in an interview because everyone was comparing them to Wu Tang and he hated that so he made a song with what he thought was a stupid new York beat and stupid lyrics. His manager liked the song so much that he told him to make a video for it.

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      • Do me a favor, look at his interviews on youtube before
        You go judgin tyler.

        You apparently don’t realize why he calls himself Tyler the CREATOR.

        CREATOR

        The man is smart and lyrically talented and —-.

        I dont know how much more clearly tyler could have said it at the end of “Sandwiches”

        Not gonna type it for you either.

        Go listen to it, —.

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      • B&E: Don’t forget these verses! 1 Corinthians 6 (verse 3 very important) Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? …

        I’m tired of nonbelievers and especially nominal Christians expressing a grave misinterpretation of the Bible: no judging. Christians are supposed to judge one another in love to save them from destruction. Christians are also supposed to judge others in love and mercy to save them from destruction. I fear God more than man and want to obedient to Him. Christians, please read your Bibles.

        Also, if your priceless, precious warnings are not heeded than you did what you could. The Bible also talks about casting pearls before swine and what happens to the peal caster. Well, in lieu of the comments that are supporting deviant rappers need I say more?

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    • you my friend, are 100% right.

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    • Sometimes we try to sound so smart, we just end up sounding plain dumb!
      Answer to all of your points:

      1.Many entertainers use provocative lyrics to convey their points. Tyler is no different. The difference does come into play when the totality of his message is plagued with vile lyrics that do directly reference rape, suicide, murder, drug use, and YES the degradation of Christianity. So thanks for the heartfelt explanation of that one bar in that one song, but the totality of the circumstances portrays a more sinister message! BTW he is not the only fatherless child in the world; “cry me a river” with his odes to Satan; I am not impressed.

      2.The reasoning that “he didn’t say it, his buddy did” is ridiculous at best. I know it is trite, but birds of a feather DO flock together. There is no way, as an African American, I would have a song where I let a white supremacist rap racist lyrics. WHY? Because that is in direct opposition of what I stand for. The same holds true for Tyler. He allows viewpoints to be expressed that he obviously agrees with.

      3.Pointing the finger of deflection is always a sure sign you don’t have a viable argument. Let’s just say Kanye is wrong, tons of rappers before and after him were wrong, movie makers are wrong… Now can we speak about Tyler? The actions of everybody else on the face of this Earth still do not speak to his violent, misogynistic, and degrading lyrics. SPEAK TO THAT! And it is way more than a couple of words in a couple of songs; the fact that you would even try to underplay the gravity of the content further supports your lack of a well thought out viewpoint.

      4.Atheism at its root Atheos (Greeak and in its early form 3rd century) means ungodly or impious. In the filth century it coined a more active voice, meaning the denial of god(s). Simply because you deny something does not mean that you do not believe that it exists. So your “they are not Satanist because they are Atheist” argument holds no weight. In fact, I am sure you know none of them closely enough to speak to any of their beliefs, so why defend what you don’t know; simply based on conjecture. I am a person that believes in evidence. Even if it is just a marketing scheme, the evidence points to his persona being based in some sort of Satanic fixation, not the other way around. You yourself said that the lyrics from Hodgy Beats stemmed from the fact that he did not receive the answers he wanted from God when he asked. To me, that doesn’t sound like a person who does not believe in the existence of God; that sounds like a person who has denied God because, theoretically speaking, he didn’t answer when he called.

      5.Just food for thought. Why when people like Tyler and OFWGKTA say the most vile and harmful things do we rally to their the defense; but if you are in opposition of that viewpoint and you happen to be a Christian, you are attacked and dismissed as a bible-thumper? Doesn’t freedom of speech work both ways? Guess not, on this blog spot at least!

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      • Sorry. Greek, and fifth were fat finger typos!) lol

        I also wanted everyone to really explore what it means to be a Satanist. Even those in support of Tyler are holding this belief up to be some mythical fixation with a red horned diety; but that is not the case. Satanist are involved in what can closely be deemed as self-worship. They open themselves to all of the “sins” of the world, and see them as natural parts of life to celebrated and acted upon. Satanism itself is founded on the modern definition of Atheism in the sense that they believe all gods are a figment of mans imagination, created to fill the void that should be satiated by the lust of the world.

        Knowing that, when we look at Tyler’s music from a more informed standpoint, it does reflect Satanism in its self indulgence. Frequently he and the rest of his crew talk about giving themselves over to the desires of their soul, whether it be through rape, drug abuse, muder, suicide, etc. The degredation of God/Jesus/Christianity, is just a natural off-shoot of that line of thinking.

        Just food for thought! Look it up.

        http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

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        • Caring Mom says:

          I agree with most of what you have said my main concern is the misinterpretation of information to our young and naive population which includes rape, drug abuse, murder, suicide, etc.

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      • The Aztecs were sure their gods were real. No nobody believes them. The Greeks and Romans were sure their gods were real. No nobody believes them. Christians are so sure their god exists. 1000 years from know, there will be not believers of the current god and there will be a new god. Or people will figure out that science is god. Only science exists and controls us.

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      • Wow! Well said, REED!

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    • Great post, good context.

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    • BlahBlah123 says:

      Thank You!

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  9. Love your site!! Reminds me of “The Vigilant Citizen” site. Keep posting the word of God, there are many who learn from it!! I teach my children everything I read from sites like this because the devil loves to get them while they are young and unlearned of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

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    • dont be fooled by ignorant people. Don’t listen to this and then go teach your children something totally off. Cuz they will just rebel from you. And this is just the Word of God from one point, there is another part that ignorant people like the person who wrote this article and the same people who profess to be Christians and the people that preach hate dont read, its called the WHOLE BIBLE, not a part of it the whole thing. So don’t jump to conclusions…and believe false words.

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      • @ Swag Why are you so provoked when Beginning and End tell Biblical truth? Are you a carnal minded Christian? Proverbs 22:6 & Ephesians 6:4. We should heed the warning because your comment sounded that your aren’t Biblical grounded. Swag, please read Matthew 7:24-27 and meditate on what the scripture said. P.S. Jesus teachings Rock I cling on to and others are sinking sand. Thus, Jesus did fulfill all the prophecies in the Old Testament. Moreover, I won’t be fooled by a clueless ignorant carnal minded Christian. Trust and Obey GOD’S Word inspired by Holy Spirit.

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        • Who do you think you are to tell me I am not spiritually grounded. I have a very open and close relationship with my God. Who is Jesus Christ. I worship him and only him not Tyler the creator or OFWGKTA. I just don’t discriminate if someone dislikes my God and they spit in my face and talk crap all I can do is pray for them and hope they may see the way. You don’t know me and what I’ve been through, so you have no right to judge me. People on this site have forgotten truly what Jesus stands for. Condemning them will get you no where but prayer is key. So stop acting like you are God and you go read the Bible as you should!

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        • And I won’t be fooled by a pompous jerk of a Christian either…just saying.

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        • LarryOFWGKTA says:

          hey hey big christian, are you judging this man, didnt the bible say not to do that….see how you look now :)

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      • hi guys, i don’t mean to be an egotist… i’m a humble shepherd in the garden of the edens expressway. i’m #37 — go look up what that means in biblical numerology. my name is james and i’m a friend who wants to help, just passing through.

        don’t worry…. i’ve spent 13+ years training myself… but i can tell you with providence that this lil b clown is indeed your vaunted antichrist. see, one fundamental leap that most humans don’t make is that since humanity isnt going anywhere, time travel becomes possible, and when it does…..who are they going to look out for? him?

        of course not. quoteth the immortal words of beloved chicago baseball curmudgeon hawk harrelson “sit back, relax, and strap it down” cuz i’ve met people from the future. they dress better. we help. don’t worry guys, just recite the lord’s prayer and know he’s tthe BASED GOD… i ask, a god BASED in what?

        i’m nobody, i’m just a kid who nobody ever wanted to listen to babble while he was growing up. however, the future did end up listening… and i’m pretty good. after all, i’m the doctor!

        http://sinicalypse.kaen.org/fakeasswigga/supreme%20pizza-%20legend%20of%20the%20modelfucker%20EP/02%20-%20doctor%20me.mp3

        …and i’m just a friend, here to help. don’t worry guys… did you ever think the genuinely meek and thusly righteous were ever gonna lose? not while i’ve got some fight left in me. and believe me, i’ve got cool friends who had this plan and….. that would be telling

        but hey, i didn’t get here by giving a proverbial F — the four horsemen? the old wrestlers from the 80s. see in the future, people are way cooler/funnier/happier/jovial/etc. they have fun with concepts used by duplicitious predators to scare the peasantry into giving away 1/2 of their money lest they suffer, GASP, ETERNAL DAMNATION!

        hasta

        # james

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      • Choose today whom you will serve.

        i choose to serve him. sorry, that’s a colloquial term in the rapping world. you seem like a good solid righteous man and just… don’t worry. i’m sinicalypse, aka emessiah… look me up. i’m pretty legit. i don’t have followers cuz i was never a vain man….. but don’t worry, i’ve got your back. this isn’t an ego trip, my life is insane by any reasonable metric and i’ve had so many long walks where i just cry because i never wanted this.

        but after awhile…. i stopped crying and said why not. and trust me, i’ve been trained by aceyalone and aphex twin. look them up. i’m the rug that ties the room together from the big lebowski. i’m not some domain/glory seeking entity like little b over there, oh no, i’m merely a filter of life here to do something that gives kids in the future an example of someone they can believe in when they want to go forth and take whatever i did and then evolve that into something that inspires the next generation and so on and so forth. “welcome to my art show, it’s not about a salary” and of course “love life, let it love you back” – both quotes by the greatest rapper of all-time and a bonafide friend to the universe, aceyalone.

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        • Forgive me, James, but for a man who’s claiming to be humble, you toot your own horn an awful lot.

          Moreover, you got some serious issues. Just sayin’.

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  10. Okay honestly, you guys got your facts wrong about Lil B. These are all songs just to generate controversy, and to garner attention and to POINT OUT how easy it is to get into the industry and become famous with such simple, controversial lyrics. thats what the rapgame is about nowadays, pure controversy. If you knew B is a person, you would know he’s a theist and that all he does is promote positivity and love. You guys are quick to judge without properly researching anything. He is the realest rapper in the game right now. Listen to his album “Im Gay” and judging by your article, I can tell that you would be quick to judge and say that it’s blasphemous that he named his album that… people forget that Gay used to mean happy.

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    • Thank You the same with Tyler that’s all he is trying to do. OMG people are so ignant not ignorant cuz they r to ignorant to understand what ignorant actually means lol

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  11. LIL B IS THE RAWEST RAPPER ALIVE. F– you biblehumpers.

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  12. It’s hard to believe anyone in their right mind could listen to Tyler and his crew and actually praise their work. Even if you don’t believe in God, most of their content is straight garbage. And don’t even get me started on Lil B. It makes me especially sad seeing that dude because all he’s doing is exploiting himself for fame. In interviews it always looks as if he is not mentally present, i.e. he seems like he is mentally unstable or has some type of syndrome.
    Anyway, judging by the fan base these little kids have garnered, and the harsh comments I’ve read on here by their supporters, this is a classic example of the blind leading the blind. Proverbs 9:10 says “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,” so I suppose it’s expected that people who already have no reverence for God would be so easily seduced by trash.

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    • Has it ever occured to u that lil b is actually exploiting himself to make a point?? Not for the fun of it he’s trying to say look how corrupt the music mOre specifically hip hop is?? Ignorant people

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  13. DoUwant2go2heaven? says:

    Nice write up. Spiritual wickedness in high places are working relentlessly to socially condition the whole world with blasphemous statements that mock our Great God and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. This world is being prepped for the coming of the ‘lawless one’, who will regard no god but he himself. He is raising up his army for the last days, so that he can carry out his mischievous plans. Namely eradicating all believers in Jesus Christ.

    Revelation 12 gives those that have ears to hear Gods counter for this soon coming assault. The wilderness is where you have to get to in order to be shielded from the face of the serpent.

    “20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

    21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. ” Isaiah 26:20-21

    May God continue to give us wisdom, courage, strength, and faith so that we can endure to the end. Amen.

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  14. LMAO “Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight” is a quote from Batman

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  15. THANK YOU BASEDGOD.

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  16. I don’t agree with this writer on nothing he has said. They are atheists they don’t believe in God. And yall getting all rowled up, as Christians your not supposed to you are supposed to pray and be Christ like, Jesus would never do anything other than try to reach out to these young men. Im a Christian but I find their music interesting. They know how to rap, the writer is very ignorant to the fact that they don’t care. How can they be satanists if they don’t believe in satan himself. HELLO!!! wake up. I just think some of the stuff is being blown out of porportion, they really just don’t care and I think they would make fun of any religion its just that Christianity is the largest most prominent religion in our day and there are sooooo many hypocrites and people who claim they are Christians but they aren’t. This being said they are being real. I am a Christian and I walk as I preach, Im human but of course Im going to make mistakes but who am I to judge anybody. But uh Kevin wearing a shirt with all that satanic stuff on it is a no no. (If you proclaim that you are a Christian, not judging just saying)

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    • I truly apologize for coming at you this tough, but this post shows cleary, that if you are a Christian, the bible has been nothing more than a table ornament for you, because you surely could not have opened or studied it in the least.

      1. Simply stating there is a problem DOES NOT equal judgement or attack. You have to identify the problem first before it can be addressed; and while you are identifying the problem you can still very well be praying for rectfication.

      2. Be Christ like? Christians dont get rowled up??? Are you serious? What bible are you reading? Throughout the New Testament, Jesus had extremely heightened (Angry) reactions to what he believed to be wrongs or injustices. CHECK OUT Matthew chp 23, Mark chp 3, 8, and 11 just to name a few. It is ok to be angry or rowled up about something you see that is blatantly wrong, it is what you do with those emotions that is the true test of your Christianity. Are you going to be an advocate for change? Not fearful of who might disagree or what you may be called as a result of your beliefs.

      3. Satanism is a form of Atheism. LOOK IT UP. It is almost scary how the lack of knowledge or the thirst for it, has us all led astray. Satanist are not the caricatures you see in the movies, worshiping this mythical horned figure. They do no believe in the existence or worship of any dieties/gods. They do believe in self-gratification and the acceptance of what we call sin, as human nature to be indulged and celebrated. LOOK IT UP!

      http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

      4. As Christians we have become so watered down when it comes to challenging topics. No, I am not asking anyone to be a religious zealot, but sometimes right is just right. When did the promotion of rape, suicide, drug abuse and blasphemy just become “boys being boys?” How can you say it is being blown out of proportion? What happened to LIFE AND DEATH IS IN THE POWER OF YOUR TOUNGE? Or do we only believe that when we are looking for a blessing? These words have the potential to lead a generation astray or even to death, and I have seen it personally develop, as I have a child in middle school, and at her age they are already starting to form gangs around the OFWGKTA mantra. This is not a game, and should be taking seriously!

      Not Judging, but praying and acting toward a change!

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      • Uh I did say satanism is a form of atheism. And about all the other stuff ur saying okay I understand and no I don’t keep the Bible as an ornament around my house I am not that kind of person I respect God in every form or matter. I read the Bible way more than I listen to Tyler. To be more exact I read the Bible everyday with my family and FYI I’m proud to say that I don’t get rowled up about theSe things say what you want at the end of the day I know that I am reaching people for the better I’m taking my time to do good in Jesus’ name but not relying on my good works to get into heaven. Nobody is perfect so b4 you write a whole crapload of crap you go take a look at yourself b4 you judge someone else. I’m seriously over radical People like I’m focused on my relationship with God not with all the wrong things people are doing in the world. God will take care o that I am only one person…

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        • Uh, you didn’t mention saying satanism is a form of atheism so shut up. In your own words: “How can they be satanists if they don’t believe in satan himself”. All Satanism requires is putting yourself above everyone and everythings else, Satan is usually worshipped as a diety who represents this because he is the originator of selfish behavoir. However by worshipping Satan one becomes a Satanist. To be a true christian you must be selfless and accept Christ as your personal Savoir. Plus these rappers are CLEARLY satanic.The inverted cross is a sign of disrespect. Its as if you are saying Jesus is not worthy to die a normal death but a worse one. The cross itself is a symbol of death. The fact that some Christians wear it doesn’t make it ok. The whole world can sin but it still stands as sin in God’s eyes. The use of the cross as a christian symbol was prompted by none other than the Catholic Church, the whore of Revelation.

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          • You probably don’t really understand what satanism truly is lol. And the inverted cross was originally a symbol of not being a holy as Jesus. Peter was crucified on an inverted cross because he didn’t believe he was as holy or sacred as Jesus Christ. So calm down and read up. Swag

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        • Oh and by the way who reads the Bible and listen to Tyler the creator? What kind of Christian are you? If the apostle John were still around you probably wouldn’t see him jammmin out to Jay-Z. Christians are not just words but judge by thier actions.

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        • @ swag.

          It saddens me to see you think it is acceptable to listen to this type of music as a Christian. Regardless of the religious beliefs of these young men, as a Christian you should not listen to music with those type of words. It does not matter whether or not these words have a sinister meaning behind them. All of the stated musicians/artist above have blasphemed against our Lord and your spirit should not be at ease listening to this. I suggest that you re-evaluate your relationship with God and ask Him to guide your ways. If you truely have the Spirit of God living in you, there would be no absolute way that you could sit for 5 mins. listening to a song that disrespects God on so many levels. Tyler has the right to say whatever he wants about God, Heaven, Hell, the devil, etc., that is why God gave us free will, but as a Christian we are servants of God who are to follow his rules/laws and to respect our God and King. To listen to this music means that you are agreeing with what he is saying. It saddens me that someone who calls themselves a christian is not ashamed to admit they listen to these lyrics. Lord forgive us all.

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          • I never said I agree with what he says just because I like the beats to the songs doesn’t mean I agree with his message. He’s a crazy individual who is trying to make people mad on purpose he doesn’t mean probably more than half he stuff he says and on top of that if he knew how powerful God really is he wouldn’t be saying the stuff that he does. He’s really just a lost child trying to express himself. What is wrong with that??

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          • And obviously you didn’t read everything I said, look lower.

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      • And don’t apologize for “coming tough” cause you still did go in, that’s just a bunch of bull. I’m dead serious.

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  17. Beginning and End is correct in this article. There is a video of Tyler the Creator hanging out with his friends on youtube, and right at the end he says that Odd Future is officially a part of the Illuminati and the Free Masons…I’ll find it some other time, but to Beginning and End, well done on this article.

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    • your pretty stupid…..do you really think REAL Illuminati members if there is a real Illuminati would say hey you guys i’m a new Illuminati member…no……but anyways this article is a bunch of bullshit because he is an atheist which mean he doesn’t believe in the God or the Devil…he says shit about Christianity because we live in a society based on the church’s teachings and he is trying to piss people off…you all are ignorant

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      • So if he’s an atheist wouldn’t a Christians be the LAST people he’d be trying to piss off whom are exactly the type of people he is pissing off. When we waste energy in intentionally trying to piss people off don’t we do it to people we hate the most? So if your an atheist the last thing on your mind should be Christianity, or Satanism for that matter so why make a career out of it? You’re contradicting yourself honey.

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  18. point blank…for those who get to confused with what is and should be the only religion. CHRISTIANITY.
    IF theres good and evil on earth what do you think is getting pushed more rapidly and constantly. I can honestly say ive never really read the bible aside from verses that explain exactly whats going on in todays worlds and also some things that have happened in the past. In the bible it was said that god mad lucifer which was his name before he was cast down to earth for trying to oppose god was the minister of music. You think its not the same now. He has been deceiving people with the promises of riches fame and power and people blindly accept his terms and conditions without concience. Satan hates humans and uses them to his best power to smack god in the face by having US humans all children of the lord, the creator to lure us away from god make sin seem like the ok thing to do and blaspheme the name of god as much as possible whether it be in music videos movies tv shows clothing or just what we do in everyday life. The devil puposely wants to lure people away from god and keep us in such a mindstate that we dont even know its happening. At least not the ones who are able to see the real sinister plans and tactics the government and the world are leaning towards. This has all been a well scripted plans by satan since he deceived the first woman eve and then onto adam. The bible does nothing but try to warn and prepare us for the time when satan comes here on earth and portrays himself to be the second coming aka JESUS CHRIST. Satan knows that jesus is coming back to save all those who follow him and worship him. And not just by saying it but by showing it. The devils plan is to deceive as many people as possible before that time comes and have them dwell and burn in hell with him for all eternity. People need to wake up. Im not just some hater of tyler or lil b or any of these rappers..besides the fact that they wanna deceive the public and youth and have thems saying satanic lyrics, i honestly think there beyond wack.. the hip hop i listen to has a message and the artist i listen to actually push the message for love on earth and worship of god. not the based god .. like lupe fiasco talib kweli mos def the roots common q tip.. theres others but they wont nearly get the recognition nore the notoriety as these other artist who push the devils plans through there music and performances for the music industry is ultimately ran by the devil as is everything else in this world that brings the most revenue.. all people who have bad stuff to day about this blog and think that theres no such think as the devil or jesus christ and the lord need to stop walking around with there eyes closed and use the minds that god gave us to wake up or actually go out and research what is the truty and what is not. But trust just as there are people who actively speak out against all the satanic wrong doings in the music industry the government hollywood etc. there are also people out there sent to confuse you and keep you in a mindstate of confusion and oblivion. ultimately to lure you away from the lord as much as possible..
    research this stuff people please!!!
    god bless alll

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    • excuse me how can christianity be the only religion and there were religions before christianity…..i’m confused christianity was created like all of the other religions of the world what gives you the right to say this is the only RIGHT religion and i know your responce is probably gonna be some shit about i just need saving and that the devil in trying to blah blah blah but i find it highly offensive to say all other religions are wrong…and think about it christianity like all other religions is MAN MADE….

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      • Jesus didn’t come to create a religion he came to share the TRUTH. So yes, people do create religions when they forget about the TRUTH.

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  19. Let them deceive themselves in the end I know I will be in heaven and hopefully someone will be able to reach out to them so that the Angels may rejoice. Stop focusing on the small stuff ANd look at the big picture God is righteous all you people posting things just to show someone up so you can seem better I truly have nothing but love in my heart for you. Maybe as Christians we did. And said that more people would actually, idk believe us!!! I swear y’all just want to tear people down and it’s not about that it’s about making people stronger and helping isn’t that what Christ was about?? Idc about the illuminati I don’t believe they even exist I’ll tell you what I do believe in a God so gracious and so merciful that he allows us, allows us to fall but is never hesitant to pick us back up…God Bless.

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  20. Jacob Roy says:

    f— you we dont care if you judge OF cause no one gives a fuck what you have to say. You say “This rapper is saying blasphemous things about our savior.”, well not every one belives in that bull shit so stop basing things off your personal beleifs asswhole. OFWGKTA f— jesus [Censored for personal attacks]

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  21. LarryOFWGKTA says:

    ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL DONT GIVE A F— LOITER SQUAD YOU KNOW WHERE THE F— WE AT ʇʇʇʇ

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  22. JasperDolphin says:

    SMOKE A BLUNT BUT IM BOSSINNN

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  23. EarlSweatshirt says:

    FREE ME

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  24. Where the honey dips at?

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  25. F-- B-- Get Money says:

    I believe everyone should have their own opinion. I’m a Catholic and I understand that this music is “rebellious” but I also know that there is much wittyness and geniusness in their raps.

    FREE EARL
    OFWGKTA.

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  26. YOU ARE ALL GOING HELL UNLESS YOU CHANGE YOU WAYS AND STOP LISTENIING TO THIS BLASPHEMY MUSIC THAT SEEMS TO INFLUENCE ALOT OF YOU!

    i used to listen to odd future but after reading this, i aint gonna even illegally downlaod they’re mixtape!!
    change for the better people ..

    GOODBYE.

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  27. Oh yeah, btw. Christianity isn’t the only religion in the world. Every nationality, every culture, has their own God and more than likely, their God is depicted as them. To denounce their God and say that your God is the right God is IGNORANT as f–. That’s the reason why wars happen and people die. More people die over religion than anything else in this world and it’s sad that you f— still follow that s—. You’re blasphemous against human lives. I dont’ see Tyler the Creator or Odd Future killing people, do you.

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  28. so tyler is the anti christ? swag.

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  29. Regular Dude says:

    Why do Christians have to take the fun out of everything and call it “satanic.”
    GET A LIFE.

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    • IKR, Like damn, And I don’t give a if I’m going to hell. It’s better than church songs anyway. SWAG. Odd future.

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    • thats because what yall call fun now a days is satanic heffa !

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      • Again, I find you at virtual troll level.

        Miracle, let me ask you: Is Paintballing satanic? How about lazer tag? Monopoly? Risk? How about taking ATVs out on the trails? Rock climbing? Hiking? Going to Europe to tour the museums?

        These are all things that people of varying status call fun- And not a one of them is satanic.

        If you’d like to get technical, Richard Dawkins was a perfect candidate for satanism. No, he didn’t believe in satan, same as he didn’t believe in God. Satanism is purely humanistic. The majority of satanism does not believe in the supernatural- They believe in humanity as being the end all, be all.

        You’re talking about everything someone calls fun coming directly from satan, however- And that is simply not true. Much like RD was being very much tongue in cheek with his comment, since it is not true either.

        In fact, for every crazed “christian” calling something satanic, I can find a crazed someone else calling something religious. (Seriously- I made a list and stopped at 100 because I got bored.)

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  30. You provided some lyrics from OF and automatically depict them as Satanist, when you don’t even know the story/meaning behind their lyrics. Everyone in OF is an Athiest, disregarding Domo Genesis and Frank Ocean. Do any of you judgemental Christians know what Atheism is? Someone who refuses to believe in a higher power, ex.(Jesus Christ, God, Satan, etc.)

    They obviously know what they are doing, and they are obviously doing it to get into peoples heads and f–k with the majority of religious people out there. Tyler even said it, he doesn’t “promote” Satanism in his lyrics. He just does what he WANTS to do, just like you Christians. Aren’t Christians supposed to be jugde-free, yet you see some kids doing what they love and becoming successful, and depict them as Bad, Satanist, Evil people trying to promote the Devil. And you act like Christianity is the only religion, how do you even know if God exists? You let Religion and the Bible run your whole life, your decisions, and just your entire view point.

    You should actually learn about Odd Future before you make a god damn waste of a read bullsh– article about it.

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  31. ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL.

    They deserve all the buzz and success they have now, wether you cry about it or not. And a religious blog isn’t gonna change sh-.

    WOLF GANG 666 GOLF WANG.

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  32. The Truth says:

    I’m glad everyone was able to express their opinions on this here website blog, but truth is, OF won’t stop making music. Golf Wang.

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  33. I’m a Christian, and listen to Odd Future. So what? does that make me satanic in nature just because I listen to something that other Christians tell me not to? I don’t think I’m going to hell for it. I like Tyler’s music and how he expresses himself and appreciate the fact that he worked hard by making his own songs, videos, and putting him and his group out there enough to gain success in the industry as fast as they did.
    I listen to 80’s and 90’s rap music, and mostly Odd Future for present time, artistically and lyrically I don’t like rap music that comes out today. Am I not a Christian simply because I listen to rap music and not ‘christian’ rap music like Christians want me to? Christian rap music is so boring in my opinion.

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    • It’s not about following rules that men set down, it’s about following CHRIST. Does tyler’s music glorify God? A HOLY creator….you think it glorifies Him? Jesus Christ said if you want to be my disciple, you must “deny yourself take up your cross and follow me”. (Luke 9:23) That means after asking Jesus to save you from your sins, you surrender all that you are to Him because we have been bought with a price. Christians are to be set apart from this world because CHRIST is living in us. “”I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.” (Galatians 2:20) Living life as a christian is not by our power, it’s by the power of Christ in us.”

      The bible also says “And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.” (Romans 12:2)

      I bet we are the same age and I face the same things you do interms of entertainment, lifestyle…etc and I know it’s hard not to give in sometimes but I’d rather please my Lord and Saviour than this world that’s a hot flaming mess, changing it’s mind all the time or even pleasing myself thinking I’m going to make myself happy even for a moment. Christ is worth everything because He is God, He loves us and DIED for us….even as we walk with Him every day, God gives SO MUCH if we just humble ourselves before His infinitely mighty feet. “Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.” (1 Peter 5:7)

      We all have a decision to make…we decide to accept Christ’s salvation for our sin or reject it and if we do accept His salvation, we have the decision each day to walk in obedience and surrender to an almighty, all loving God. The choice is before every one of us. God bless.

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    • ‘I like Tyler’s music and how he expresses himself and appreciate the fact that he worked hard by making his own ‘

      So do you like how he expresses himself when he says to Jesus Christ (our Lord and King) to quit b**ching? As a Christian, you should not find this music acceptable and I pray that God shows you the way. How can you profess that the Holiest of Holies is living in your heart when listening to music that disrespects him on so many levels?

      Know that one day you will have to stand before God and explain to him all of your actions.

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  34. christopher Anti-OFWGKTA says:

    well uhhhhh… all ii gtta say is that tyler the creator is a hella guud rapper nd ii love his music but the message that he is sending is something ii dnt and would never follow. ii love god. ii love what he does and still do for me today. but let tyler be tyler damn get off his nuts lol. keep doin ya thng tyler f— wat they say. jus lay off the anit- christ lyrics if you dnt worship the devil becuase ya makin it pretty damn obvious smart ass lol

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  35. christopher Anti-OFWGKTA says:

    nd yea yonkers is da best video of all time

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  36. A lot of these comments remind me of Isaiah 5:20 & 21 as do the singers that try to use filthy things to gain popularity and riches:

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.

    Thanks for the insight into the truth of the songs our teenagers listen to today. Sounds like a lot of them don’t like being caught listening to trash and want to justify it.

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  37. MusicEvolves says:

    your all — nuff said.

    i believe in god, i also love Odd Future, so what?

    stop arguing and live your life how you want it to be. Its pathetic seeing how ignorant and one-sided people are. And if it matters to anyone, A couple members of Odd Future are christian. The rest like Tyler and Earl are Atheist, in the way where the technically just dont give a f—. Also, some atheist belive in “God” (a higher power/force that created things. )

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  38. Pure.Ignornace.

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  39. I think,this is kinda stupid.
    I believe in God, and I love OF. I’m actually wearing one of there shirts at this moment,haha.
    All this is just pathetic and ignorant.

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  40. I enjoyed this article, keep it up. :)

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  41. FreeThinker says:

    It is really hilarious to read some of the comments of blind belief on this site. Not just blind belief in a false god, but also in the Internet and any other form of information. Just because a website or a dictionary says that satanism is a form of atheism doesn’t mean it really is. Your beliefs are what you make them. I am an atheist, but I certainly do not promote most acts of “sin” or support of “Satan”. That is because most “sins” are just acts that are unhealthy, and Satan is made up by religious leaders who want to keep the world ignorant and anasthetized of their true potential for greatness. Maybe if you all stopped fearing the wrath of “God” you would be a little more friendly to all people and more receptive to some truly talented artists such as Tyler, the Creator, and the rest of Odd Future. I wish you all the best, and happy holidays.

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  42. I don’t understand how the writer can say do much about masons when we have nothing to do with this guy and u must beleave in God to b a mason don’t worry bout this guy just teach yo kids an let God handle everything else let God handle the big picture an let Christ guide us

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  43. Wow this is BS, alot of BS. Anybody can do RESEARCH and put it in they’re designs without believing in it.
    GOLF WANG

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  44. It’s a complete shame that some of you call yourselves Christians, followers of Christ, and have the audacity to listen to his filthy lyrics that disrespect God 100%. amazing really…

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  45. Random Guy says:

    There’s just so much things wrong about this, but you guys see what you want to see, that doesn’t change what it is, keep yourselves ignorant…

    BTW, people that think that the end is near are probably going to freak out in November/December 2012 about the end of the world, and next year by this time of the year I’ll be laughing at all the suckers that freaked because of this…

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  46. “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

    “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”

    “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
    Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.” Ephesians 6:10-13.

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  47. pro wolf gang says:

    ØFWGK✞∆ FOREVER

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  48. noxOFWGKTA says:

    TO ALL THE STEPDADS IN HERE, TRIP SIX KIDS GOT YOU SCARED.

    666

    GOLF WANG

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  49. C’mon like really? It’s music,He doesn’t mean it,i think sTUFF like this is dumb,its music,half of the stuff they sey they dnt mean! OFWGKTA SW666!!

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  50. Ignorance says:

    Crowley was certainly an evil man. Indulging in animal-sacrifice, he also documented in his book that he at several points in his life took the life of infant children. He was a womanizer, an alcoholic, and a frequent opium and heroin user as well. This is all documented in books HE wrote about HIMSELF.

    Those defending Crowley have clearly never read the books he wrote. To say he isn’t evil is preposterous.

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  51. Ignorance says:

    I have no idea why anyone who is not affiliated with Satanism would support clothing bearing the world’s most famous satanist on display.

    If you don’t like the Tea Party movement, you aren’t going to wear clothing supporting the Tea Party. Similarly, if you don’t believe in Crowley’s writings, you will not wear clothing supporting Crowley. The ignorance of today’s society is overwhelming. So many music videos reference the Illuminati and some songs outwardly talk about it (Listen: Jay-Z: D’evils, Eminem: Say Goodbye to Hollywood, Snoop Dogg: Murder was the Case, etc…) to deny its existence and influence is foolish.

    Don’t be a tool.

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  52. To all of you CHRISTANS who think all the odd future and Lil b fans are going to hell.

    F__ YOU.

    Just because we are doing something that church doesn’t like it doesn’t mean you can SCARE us that we will be going to hell. I don’t care if I’m going to hell or heaven because if there’s that I’ll probably be in hell but F_ that. If God was here, he would have stopped that, just like he stopped sinnin and asked noah to build the ark.

    Tyler is creative enough to troll on your asses by pissing you off with his music which you call “Blasphemous” he knows that the church will get mad, but does he care? No he doesn’t. No one does. Because like I said before, The church ain’t got shit to do with the music industry, Infact if they did they would all make us listen to psalms and church music. So you can Preach, but no one other odd future fan would listen to you,

    Your sincerely-

    An soon to be Atheist 16 year old Odd future fan.

    OFWGKTADGAF.

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  53. Ok, I am not going to lie. I am a fully devoted Christian teenager and yes I do listen to tyler the creator. I believe in God and just because me listening to tyler does not make me demonic. If he is an atheist then, that’s his desieoin the best thing we can do as Chritians is to pray for him that he will turn himself around. He doesn’t believe in god or any religion. I heard that some people in OF are Christians. Just because you listen to someone that is atheist or is friends with someone like that your faith should over come anything tha they say/believe and know in your heart that Jesus is real.
    And anyway when I know a part about Jesus is about to come up in a song that I wild be listening to by him or other people in OF I skip that part.

    And you can’t just talk about hip hop/pop/rap.
    Last time i heard, ROCK n ROLL is always talking about hell and demons and such negative things. So before you look at rappers look at bands. Why do goth people dress in all black and wear bullet belts and it them selfs and some of them believe in spirits and vodo and such. Tyler doesnt wear any dog chains or leashes around his neck and doesnt wear all black. So think about that before you try and talk about some one else.

    Why does that girl wear those clothes? I do not like rock and roll because I don’t like what they believe. And hey forever for YEARS talk about hell. ACDC made highway to hell, I don’t hear any negative comments about that. Why not?
    I mean come on, if you really want to say the anti Christ has came I believe it already has with ROCK n ROLL.

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  54. Mick the saved says:

    Wow, such blasphemous ignorance.

    Firstly, Tnow- yes he is our saviour- whether you accept him or not is your choice.
    Secondly, all of you justifying this vile, evil filth have two choices. Either turn from your sin and accept Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour or burn. It is your choice, I will continue to pray for you but if you harden your hearts to the Lord it is your own fault on that day

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    • lool yur a bibble banger says:

      uhhm funny how the person to call others ignorant are actually the most ignorant of them all. have you ever even looked into his lyrics???? have you ever tried to find a deeper meaning in his lyrics? no you haven’t you just jump to conclusions that hes the anti christ and prepare for the world to and as you clutch your precious bible. this is a biased article outlining only some of tylers lyrics without putting it into context…

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  55. G– damn, they’re just kids, cut em some slack.. That’s how Eminem started out and he’s doing pretty well for himself.

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  56. God does not exist
    You are all scared little Goody Goods trying to censor what people listen to
    I bet you all watch movies like Friday the thirteenth, And SAW
    No one says anything then but when an
    artist (who should be allowed to creatively express themselves in whatever way they choose) expresses themselves in the most violent of ways, mocks your “Deity”, and tells people to be themselves
    You flip it, call “Witchcraft”,and Ignorantly judge and mock him
    All because you want to brainwash your kids into being boring adults who worship something non-existent.

    F– this post and anyone trying to control their child’s life
    your as bad as you presume Tyler to be.
    Grow up.

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    • Proof, Emery. Proof.

      That is what it all boils down to. What I find to be hilarious is that whenever I offer proof, it is immediately given another alternative- One that requires a far greater stretch of faith than simply say, “yes, it had to be God.”

      Just something I find interesting, and not at all a personal slam on you.

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  57. OFWGKTA 666 Illuminati till I die

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  58. How we know God exists? Have you seen him?
    Stop promoting someone who hasn’t done anything for you and I.
    OFWGKTADGAF.
    God is the cancer.

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  59. Odd Future is just another part of this hell on earth, but all we can do is pray for them ..and pray for their “sheep” fans to open their eyes,

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  60. CommonSense+Knowledge=Power says:

    Look im catholic and i Jam hard to tyler the creator , because its music and i enjoy it, if you don’t like it thats your problem , don’t listen to it but don’t call him evil and belittle his music or branding it as satanic , 1. he’s an aithiest he doesn’t believe in god ? or the devil ? because without god there is no devil ,2. He is a smart artist and he mocks the devil , satanity is worshiping the devil , he worships no one so he makes fun of religion because he can(freedom of speech) its funny to me , his fans, and him how you christians freak out , 3. He’s a real person , he says whats on his mind i never see him not being real or not speaking whats on his mind and i know you probably lie everyday and is scared to tell the truth but being fake or lying is a sin , and saying s– about him and calling them facts without knowing is lying which is again a sin . 3.tyler the creator doesn’t make you listen to his music , but what you guys are trying to do is make us not want to listen to it , you want everyone to think like you this reminds me of hitler and the nazi’s, and the kkk , 4.Whats wrong with him eating a fake roach ? even if it was real and you saw that in the street you would walk away from a person who did that and mind your business so mind your business, 5.He is so smart that the knowledge he has surpases most of you negative people even in his songs he’s talking about how people call him a devil worshiper because he says the word 666 and tellls you ignorant f– to do some research about it-Goblin. 6. He admits that he really doesn’t rape and murder people he did it for the hype , like Eminem (Slim Shady) and other artist who do it but don’t get s– for it.
    Fu– that
    -WOLF GANG

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    • You are a Catholic, but laugh at “you Christians” for getting upset over the music? I find this to be an interesting thought, Wolf. For one, you separate yourself from Christianity with that statement- Unless, of course, you meant that you laugh at those Christians which get offended. If that is the case, though, why the wholesale separation, as opposed to simply saying what you mean?

      Moreover, while I have known many atheists who absolutely know more than I about many things, I find that all of them, every single one, are also tremendously foolish. How so? They claim to be intellectuals, and yet believe in evolution, for example. They claim to be “mind over matter,” yet cannot follow that very logic to the existence of God. They are the most foolish, the most unintelligent, smart people on the planet. Hyping them over Christians, in most cases, is a sad thing indeed, though some instance do call for it.

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  61. The problem with some of you on here is, you take all of whats written on the Bible too literally. remember, it has been modified multiple times.

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    • I would absolutely love to hear you expound on this point. For instance, where are some of these meaning changing alterations, and when did they take place?

      FYI: I am being absolutely serious, and would really like to hear from you.

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  62. you forgot one of my favorite lines “wolves were murders and young enough to get the — priest to come and flirt with us” dont take it serious h— your wizard up in the sky wouldnt give a s–

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  63. Caring Mom: I agree with Anthony. My son is 14 years old and regardless if we do not allow him to listen to this music there are many ways to get a hold of listening to them, especially with the technology we have now. Their classmates and friends are listening to this. I found out my son was listening to this music just recently. I was unaware of Tyler the Creator so I looked him up. I listened to his music and watched his videos and I was in complete shock. Before I found out he was listening to this music from a classmates iPod my son started writing the numbers 666, OFGKTA, upside down cross on his note books, sneakers, hats, writing rap songs that talk about killing family and friends, writing about suicide, writing about rape, singing the songs at school and getting suspended for it. I am not saying that Tyler the Creator is at fault because my son is responsible for his actions but I feel that before my son was able to completely understand what Jesus Christ did for us he was learning about the antichrist from young rap artists. Right now my son is having a difficult time finding himself and this is just wrong what these rap artists are doing. Young teens are looking for acceptance from peers, trying to fit in this is why we have so many teen suicides and rap artisits like Tyler the Creator are not helping the situation they are making naive teens believe they are the antichrist. It is unfortunate that these rap artists have to take it to this level in order for them to gain money that states “In God We Trust”.

    You are the type of adult that completely pisses me off. Yes, I’m only 14, but I witness this kind of stuff all the time. Adults don’t let kids express themselves. All the new stuff that they like and that they get committed to, is almost always shot down because of hypocrites like you. You only do it because your son likes something that goes against your belief. I was brought up in a strongly christian home. After studies and such, I decided that I was an atheist. So what? It’s OUR belief. My parents are fine with it. I have many family members that share the same religion as I, and they know that if they don’t let me do the things, I’m gonna do them anyways and I’m gonna do ‘em even bigger than before so that I’d piss them off the way they did me. So don’t be surprised if your son decided to start cutting himself and the other activities you mentioned. And know that it’s because of you being a hypocrite and not accepting his beliefs and the way he wants to live HIS life. And I’m sure there are millions of teens AND adults that feel the same way about this. And yes, I know that I have decent grammar skills from my age, that’s because I’m top of my class. I listen to and believe the same stuff your son does. I’m actually listening to Tyler as I’m typing this. Am I suicidal? No. Have I ever cut myself? Yeah, when I was trying to eat a steak. Have I ever tried to speak with the devil? No. If you trust any teenager, I’d choose me. Just look at my Intelligence. You can tell that I’m not some low life kid that gets suspended all the time. Am I right? Put some though into it and stop being such a goddamn hypocrite.

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    • Riqq, I can understand where you’re coming from in the expression department. Rather than take your whole comment to task, or whatever it would be considered, let me simply ask you this:

      What sort of self expression says “I believe in a God that loves me; died for me and you; and is returning again?”

      If the expression being put forward by CaringMom’s son is not saying that, then it is for two reasons: 1) He’s changed, and thus his self-expression has changed as well; 2) He’s posing for the sake of his peers, and is thus a hypocrite.

      Now, if #1 is the case, then the question now becomes, “what has changed him?” It might be argued that a lack of parental involvement is the answer, but I am not the judge of that. What may be more appropriately argued is that, on a subconscious level, the young man has been changed in attitude and behavior by the music he listens to.

      Rap, rock, metal- The actual style does not, in truth, affect too much. Hard rock and rap may amp up one’s testosterone, and perhaps also blood pressure; whereas classical music may soothe a person’s spirit, calming them. Regardless, the style itself has little to do with changes in personality, attitude and behavior. The message brought in songs of any genre will change these things, however, and that has been proven time and time again.

      One last thing: Congrats on not cutting. Good for you!

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  64. Odd History says:

    The problem with these Odd Future fans is that they take everything at face value. They believe everything these rap artists say and don’t think they can lie or disguise the truth. Would the devil tell you he’s the devil?

    No, he’d trick you into thinking he’s anything other than. So if they are so-called atheists, mocking Jesus or glorifying satanism…any group that has to go to this extent all for the sake of making money and controversy has no morals. They’ll do anything to keep their name in your mouth, or their faces plastered on the magazines and around the internet.

    It’s the power of that almighty dollar and the lust for fame people.

    OF is not even that talented in my opinion. They just heavily rely on shock value to keep them relevant in the industry.

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    • Well said- In fact, many of these artists rely on shock value, some of them far too heavily, in my honest opinion.

      Let’s take an example from a very different genre: Marilyn Manson. He relied on shock value in the beginning mostly because he was a horrid vocalist. Now, he’s gotten better, yet still relies on that shock value simply because it’s become his shtick.

      Unless it serves a purpose beyond garnering attention, shock is a tool that ought not be used in most things.

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  65. SophisticatedIgnorant says:

    Ha, ahh, you dumb f– taking Tyler seriously are very VERY ignorant. I’m a 15 year old, and Catholic, and I LOVE Tyler, one of my favorite artists. Say whatever you want, everyone has thier own opinions, and yeah I’m 15, an “ignorant teen” bur this s– really stupid.oh and it’s funny how this person is basing the Yonkers video on The Excorcist of Emily Rose, a HOLLYWOOD PRODUCTION, just cause Hollywood says “based on true events” doesn’t mean it’s 100% true you ignorant f–. Tyler is literally having fun be young and rich, shut up and let it be, people like YOU are the reason he keeps making music like this, because he gets pleasure off you being mad, looking too much into it, and wasting your damn time…… just saying! Oh and for Lil B, he sucks anyways, don’t know why people like him, he’s new album is called “I’m Gay” NOBODY should be taking him seriously, he worships the god of idiots.

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    • You are a fifteen year old Catholic that apparently has been affected by what you’re listening to more than you realize… Unless, of course, you normally run through comments like this calling older folks ignorant as a matter of course.

      As for your comment regarding Lil B: I still run into folks who claim that TuPac was lame. They don’t speak for the majority of hip-hop, though, because at this point, Pac is considered one of the greatest to ever live. Likewise, your slamming Lil B. The problem is, you see, that your opinion is not the majority. I only say this because the boy has managed to hit record sales that are more than a little impressive. Obviously, someone is listening, and chances are, it’s not because he “sucks.”

      Food for thought.

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  66. f— this website.. hatin on tyler half of those lyrics you showed about him arent even his..so f— yall

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    • Really, Craig?

      I find that interesting, because the first thing I do when I read an article like this is check out the quotes. Guess what I found? More than half of those quoted as being his… ARE HIS.

      Now, the article does quote from the other artists mentioned, so perhaps you missed the proper attributions?

      Just a thought.

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  67. AFriendofJesus says:

    Right, this is the biggest amount of nonsense I’ve ever seen. You’ll find not one of these people you have mentioned worship ‘The Devil’ It’s more a fashion thing for most of them, except Odd Future, they are of no faith, yes the have mentioned a lot things about Christianity, they might have had some bad experiences with it growing up. I am a Christian, but some of what the church teaches is disgusting and far removed from anything he ever taught. Our society is becoming less religious I’m afraid, and everyone is protected with freedom of speech, and freedom of and from religion.

    Also the end is nigh, is ridiculous. It’s an embarrassment Revelation actually got in the bible, it’s the ravings of a mad man. If you have any sense look into these matters for yourself, don’t believe drivel from these websites, fake Christians in my opinion.

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    • Your opinion, AFJ? The opinion of an individual who has shown their spite for the Bible as infallible; who demonstrates their own lack of “religion”; and who spits on a rather crucial part of core Christianity? Is that the opinion we’re speaking of here?

      Because, to be completely honest, when it comes to pointing fingers on “fake” Christians, you’ve got no ground to stand on- You blew it out from under yourself with your own post.

      However, I do agree with you on this one point: People absolutely ought to look into this stuff on their own, and not just take another’s word for it. With that said, there is no middle ground in this world- We are of the Devil, or we are of God. They may not paint the Baphomet on a floor and dance around it sky-clad, but if they are not glorifying God, they are indeed worshiping Satan.

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  68. tiredofchristianignorance says:

    RETS: And I’ve precious little respect for anyone and everyone who does not show it themselves. Guys like Tyler and others that were not mentioned in this article scream for respect- Yet, in my view, if they give none, why should they get any? I’m not writing blank checks to thieves; I’m not bleeding without compensation; and I’m not working for free- Why should ANYONE receive respect from me if they do not show they’re capable of it themselves?

    That brings me to many of the comments on this page, though not necessarily yours, ToCI. How many of these comments have been left by self-proclaimed kids, who also declare they’re “good kids,” yet at the same time show zero respect but demand it for themselves regardless? Very little in life is free, and respect is earned, not granted at first demand. Like trust, there must be something for it to be built upon.

    Now, ToCI, you state that parents ought not force their beliefs and religion onto their kids. I can agree with you to a certain point: There comes a time in every child’s life when they must learn to make decisions on their own, and choose whom they will serve, if you will. Prior to that point, however, they OUGHT to be brought up with discipline- Not abuse, and not being pandered to either.

    Ever read Lord of the Flies? There’s a very interesting story written on the concept of children suddenly without parents. The children in that book attempt to decide for themselves what’s best, and it blows up in their faces. The scary thing about that book is that, while it’s does a very good job of portraying a world where kids’ rule gives way to chaos, it was written in the 1950′s. How much worse would it have gotten if someone were to write an updated version?

    So, basically, parents have my respect if they’re attempting to raise their kids to be respectful, law-abiding, and yes, God fearing. They gain more of my respect when they know when to let go and let their kids begin to learn for themselves.

    Finally, as for believing in my God… I don’t need to force anyone to believe. Not Tyler, not Lil’ B, not even you, ToCI. In the end, whether now or in the world to come, you WILL believe anyway. That’s all there is to it. People will bow their knees to Him here, in this life; or they will do so there, when it is potentially too late. I’m not looking to have, or make, anyone BELIEVE in God.

    I’m looking to help people find a relationship with Him. If you don’t want it, that’s your choice- I’m not the sort of person who would force you. I can laugh and joke around with you or anyone else without having religious beliefs in common. Eventually, however, you WILL BELIEVE. Period. End of story.

    So basically what you’re saying is because of a few kids and their comments, you are willing to judge all that listen to OFWGKTA? Does this mean I should put a stamp on all ‘God fearing’ people as fundamentalist maniacs? No, it doesn’t, so I don’t actually understand what point you’re trying to convey there.
    I also find it possible to raise children with morals and to be hard working without having to instill religious beliefs in them, you’re basically hinting that without Christ children would run amok and cause chaos and destruction then? There are other ways to ‘discipline’ your children. Get a grip. You have absolutely no right to insinuate that no one can be successful without Christianity, I never said anything to provoke such a pathetic argument and this is why I detest people like you.

    And no, you hope everyone will eventually believe but this isn’t the case. I don’t get why it’s so hard for you to accept that other people have other views, you’re a perfect example of ‘Christian ignorance’. I’m a believer of science, not religion, along with many other people in this world. I’m not coming back onto this website after leaving this comment to argue with ignorant morons because there are so many better things for me to do instead of sitting at my computer telling people how to live. What a joke.

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    • tiredofchristianignorance: So basically what you’re saying is because of a few kids and their comments, you are willing to judge all that listen to OFWGKTA?

      Not at all. I am saying that, of those kids who have responded, none of those I referenced have shown any respect, though they seem to demand it be shown them. Where did you see me say otherwise?

      tiredofchristianignorance:Does this mean I should put a stamp on all ‘God fearing’ people as fundamentalist maniacs?

      No, of course not- Though it is done on a regular basis, and both sides are equally to blame.

      tiredofchristianignorance:No, it doesn’t, so I don’t actually understand what point you’re trying to convey there.

      The point I am conveying, or was attempting to convey, is simply this: Respect is earned. A small amount of respect ought to be given anyone for the simply fact that they are human, and aside from that, it is earned. Those I referenced have not shown, by their posts, that they deserve the respect they’re crying for.
      However, a parent expressing concern for their child shows that they love and care for that child, regardless of whether they are shown respect by their offspring. As a result, they are deserving of respect- Whether or not you or I agree with their parental methodology.

      tiredofchristianignorance:I also find it possible to raise children with morals and to be hard working without having to instill religious beliefs in them…

      It is possible, yes. I’ve seen it done before, and I am honored to know several extremely wonderful people who were raised in homes that do not agree with my sense of morality, religion or opinions.

      tiredofchristianignorance:you’re basically hinting that without Christ children would run amok and cause chaos and destruction then?

      I’m saying that a child left to themselves without any sort of parenting or discipline will run amok, yes. I said nothing other than that, though perhaps you could point out where I may have conveyed otherwise, so that I may correct myself.

      tiredofchristianignorance:There are other ways to ‘discipline’ your children. Get a grip.

      Certainly, though in my opinion, many of the methods of “discipline” in today’s society amount to giving a kid a lollipop for throwing a fit.

      tiredofchristianignorance:You have absolutely no right to insinuate that no one can be successful without Christianity, I never said anything to provoke such a pathetic argument and this is why I detest people like you.

      Quite honestly, I never said anything about the success of one’s life. You read that in yourself.
      You detest people like me for what- Attempting a conversation with someone who stated something I found worth responding to?

      tiredofchristianignorance:And no, you hope everyone will eventually believe but this isn’t the case.

      Believe, or don’t. It is not my place to make you do either. THAT is my stance, as I stated earlier. Why you feel the need to rephrase or recreate my stance, I’m not sure. Perhaps you could provide some insight on that.

      tiredofchristianignorance:I don’t get why it’s so hard for you to accept that other people have other views, you’re a perfect example of ‘Christian ignorance’.

      My friend, I do not see why there is call for hostility. Did I say that other people had no other views? Did I elude to the fact that no one else is allowed to have any other views besides my own? I did not.
      What I DID say was that you, and everyone else on the planet, even those who disbelieve, WILL eventually see and know that God exists- Thus believing. That is a simple statement, and not one worth your anger. Am I demanding you believe? Am I demanding you turn to my own beliefs? No. I am making the statement that even if you do not believe now, and do not before you die, you will believe on the other side of death.
      If this is merely my own view, and yours conflicts with mine, then so be it- There need not be anger or conflict. If you are right, then accept my apology now, for having wasted my life before this moment, and for continuing on with the full intent to continue wasting it in the same fashion. However, if I turn out to be right, then I’ll accept your apology there- And no hard feelings in the interim.

      tiredofchristianignorance:I’m a believer of science, not religion, along with many other people in this world.

      I have always had a love for science, and enjoy it greatly. I also do not believe in religion, either- Far too much in this world has been done in the name of “religion.” I do, however, believe in God, and there is a great difference. Moreover, as God created the world, in my view, science holds no threat to me or my faith. Theories come and go, and science is ever changing, but God remains the same.

      tiredofchristianignorance:I’m not coming back onto this website after leaving this comment to argue with ignorant morons because there are so many better things for me to do instead of sitting at my computer telling people how to live. What a joke.

      And you need not come back, ToCI, but I am writing this response anyway so that other readers know and understand that most Christians are not as the world media has painted them. You said earlier that you would not paint all Christians as fundamentalists; good on you. However, all around the world blanket statements such as that one are made in reaction to a single fringe individual claiming Christianity, but whose actions speak louder than words, and prove their claims to be lies.
      I also find it interesting that you make the statement that you’ll not sit at your computer “telling people how to live.” I was not aware you were doing that to begin with. Or was that an inference of guilt upon myself and those like me? Either way, I’ll repeat what I’ve been saying all along:

      I do not force anyone to believe as I believe. One way or another, all mankind will believe eventually. Whether that takes place before death or afterwards is their decision to make- Not mine. I bear no person ill will if they disagree with me; that is the nature of humanity: To differ on topics, beliefs, and points of view. That is one of the things that makes us human.

      Overall, I believe my main points were lost amid your read-in, so let me clarify them for you one last time, though I know you said you would not come back:

      —> Respect is earned, and while many of the kids who have responded here have shown themselves less than deserving, many of the the parents who posted here have shown it is due them.

      —> Discipline is necessary, and no child should be left to their own devices before a certain point in their life. Maturity is not a matter of growing older, it is a matter of growing up. Thus, I take issue with the insinuation that parents ought not incorporate everything they believe into their child rearing.

      —> Whether in life or in the afterlife, all people will believe in God. It is not my duty, however, to MAKE them believe. It is their choice alone, and a choice I cannot make for them.

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  69. You really didn’t need to write so much in this article. You lost your argument beyond any and all redemption from the very first picture caption.

    I take you’re saying that, because Tyler sported an upside-down cross on the album cover, he is Satanic, as an upside-down cross (and other reversed religious symbols) is evil.

    *clap* *clap* *clap* You have just lost. The inverted cross, otherwise known as the Cross of St. Peter, is actually a CHRISTIAN symbol, not a Satanic one. It represents how Peter, having betrayed Jesus as was predicted, decided to be crucified upside-down in shame, as he felt he was no worthy of being crucified in the traditional Christian way. It is a symbol that is openly used by the Pope, for those of you unaware. By writing that, you are essentially denouncing the Pope and other abiding Christians/Catholics as being Satanic. Insulting AND hypocritical.

    Tyler knows this, and chose to use it, along with the rest of the Satanic symbols and imagery that he displays, for SHOCK VALUE, just as something to drum up publicity for himself. As he is an Atheist (Which if anyone says is the same thing will only be showing how terminally weak above the shoulders you people are), it doesn’t go any further than that. He only uses the Cross of St. Peter not because he knows it is a proper Satanic symbol, but because he knows people like you would fall for it.

    And before I get people accusing me of Satanism, I’m Agnostic (Essentially, it means that I believe I am in no position to say that any God doesn’t exist), and I have no problem with other people’s beliefs. I DO have a problem, however, with how these people show their beliefs and how idiotic they sound while doing it.

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  70. “We are of God, or we are of the Devil.”

    And suddenly, the Westboro Baptists look endearingly complacent by comparison. There is, by rough estimation, 4 BILLION people who are not Christian. It would be one thing if you simply just considered your own religion to be correct an everyone else’s to not be, but saying that everyone who doesn’t worships God (this is including non-religious Atheists as well, who don’t believe in God OR the Devil) glorifies Satan?

    My burning hatred for you knows no bounds. You represent the antithesis of anything and everything religion as a whole is. You are, by the words of your own doctrine, condemning the majority of the world to eternal flames WITHOUT giving them their deserved chance of redemption (Which, given which half you talk to, Satanists aren’t permitted). You are purposely going against all that Jesus believed in, and that which he wanted his followers to believe in. I agree with AFriendOfJesus on this one, and he is a truer Christian than yourself.

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  71. Mahan: “We are of God, or we are of the Devil.”

    And suddenly, the Westboro Baptists look endearingly complacent by comparison. There is, by rough estimation, 4 BILLION people who are not Christian. It would be one thing if you simply just considered your own religion to be correct an everyone else’s to not be, but saying that everyone who doesn’t worships God (this is including non-religious Atheists as well, who don’t believe in God OR the Devil) glorifies Satan?

    It is a paraphrase of a verse in 1 John 3:10, which states in full – “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God…”

    Ergo, by my belief, anyone who is not following Christ, (and by following Christ, I mean actually practicing what Christ preached, and living according to the Word of God), are children of the devil.

    Do you see where I’m coming from now?

    Where I differ from Westboro, Mahan, is that Westboro does not believe for one moment that anyone can be a member of some other church and still be a Christian. Moreover, they believe that no one is truly able to come to salvation unless they come through their “church.” They believe everyone that is not a member of their “church” will go to Hell.
    I believe that anyone and everyone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will be saved; that anyone can find that salvation; and that anyone can cease to be a child of the Devil and become a child of God through adoption by way of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I do not believe it matters what church they attend afterwards; I do not believe it matters where they come to know Christ… All that matters is that they know and follow Him.

    Further, on the issue of people who are not Christ followers glorifying Satan, on the whole, that is the case. However, on this I tend to have a stance patterned after C.S. Lewis’ own. In my opinion, it was best described in his book “The Last Battle” from the Chronicles of Narnia series. In this excerpt, a Calormene soldier is speaking of meeting Aslan, and the section I’m referring to goes like this:

    “But I said ‘Alas, Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash.’ He answered, ‘Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me. …Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites – I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him.”

    In other words, Mahan, I believe fully that God will take as His own any who, though having never heard of Him, or seen Him properly represented, have lived in such a way that is pleasing to Him. I may be wrong on this, and very likely, this view would be harshly criticized by the author of this blog entry- Yet there it is.

    With that being said, there is also the fruit of their words and deeds to be seen. IF they produce, by their words and deeds, encouragement for people to live right; if they encourage people to live lawfully; if they encourage respect, etc.; then they do not serve the Devil- At least, not in that moment. Yet at the same time, if they do none of these things, then they do not serve God.

    And therein lies the argument, abridged, behind the statement in which I summarized it entirely: “We are of God, or we are of the Devil.”

    Mahan: My burning hatred for you knows no bounds.

    That is your own issue, I’m afraid, and there is nothing more I can do than clarify my position in hopes you misunderstood- Or that I miscommunicated.

    Mahan: You represent the antithesis of anything and everything religion as a whole is.

    I hate religion as it currently stands. Religion states that one must do this and that to enter Heaven- three hymns, four hers, five hail mary’s, six our fathers and don’t forget penance. From what I understand, this is so beyond correct, so flagrantly false, it is borderline heretical. I believe that, to enter Heaven, one must simply believe on Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. The deeds come as a result of the Holy Spirit living within, not to encourage Him to be there.

    Mahan: You are, by the words of your own doctrine, condemning the majority of the world to eternal flames WITHOUT giving them their deserved chance of redemption (Which, given which half you talk to, Satanists aren’t permitted).

    You say this, I believe, because you misunderstood my stance- Whether through my own fault or yours, it does not matter. The misunderstanding was there, for that is not at all what I believe.

    Mahan: You are purposely going against all that Jesus believed in, and that which he wanted his followers to believe in.

    I specifically pattern my life after Christ- and no, I have not gotten close to getting it right… I am trying, however. Christ wanted His followers to believe in Him, to follow Him, and to speak the truth- “Go into all the world and make disciples of all men, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the earth.”

    That is what His followers believe in, and that is what they are meant to do.

    Mahan: I agree with AFriendOfJesus on this one, and he is a truer Christian than yourself.

    I agreed with him as well- On one point. And quite honestly, from a strict standpoint, no, he is not a true Christian. Not when he basically makes the statement that there is no end in sight; why? Because that, in and of itself, calls Christ a liar- And while you may believe that, no Christian will.

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  72. Caring Mom: I agree with Anthony. My son is 14 years old and regardless if we do not allow him to listen to this music there are many ways to get a hold of listening to them, especially with the technology we have now. Their classmates and friends are listening to this. I found out my son was listening to this music just recently. I was unaware of Tyler the Creator so I looked him up. I listened to his music and watched his videos and I was in complete shock. Before I found out he was listening to this music from a classmates iPod my son started writing the numbers 666, OFGKTA, upside down cross on his note books, sneakers, hats, writing rap songs that talk about killing family and friends, writing about suicide, writing about rape, singing the songs at school and getting suspended for it. I am not saying that Tyler the Creator is at fault because my son is responsible for his actions but I feel that before my son was able to completely understand what Jesus Christ did for us he was learning about the antichrist from young rap artists. Right now my son is having a difficult time finding himself and this is just wrong what these rap artists are doing. Young teens are looking for acceptance from peers, trying to fit in this is why we have so many teen suicides and rap artisits like Tyler the Creator are not helping the situation they are making naive teens believe they are the antichrist. It is unfortunate that these rap artists have to take it to this level in order for them to gain money that states “In God We Trust”.

    I’m sorry, but this is idiotic. Teen suicides aren’t at all due to some hip hop that talks about satan and what not. /facepalm.

    This is what is wrong with religion. Such ignorance, its amazing. Religion is whats holding us back from advancing.

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    • Advancing to where, exactly? I’ve always wondered about that.

      Moreover, you’ve obviously got no religion, so why aren’t you going anywhere? Or are you basically stating that you are not fully in control of your own destiny? Or are you just not responsible for your own actions- You know, blame everything and anything on religious zealots?

      …If that’s the case, then you better hope religion never disappears. You’d have no one else but yourself to blame for things going wrong.

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  73. im not showing any religion respect you guys are fucking retards i guess you forogot to mention that he says hes not a devil worshipper in one of his songs you guys are ignorant you christians were the cause of billions of deaths and probably will be too im not surprised if you guys are secretly plotting to kill these guys, religion is poison to the mind, and exscuse for your pathetic existences, and exscuse to all the s– you do everyday but oh our savior will forgive us even though were scum to the earth f–you if you looked at the earth and how f– up it was from this “gods” point of view im pretty sure you would want to do something but wheres god while the earrth is on the verge of death lol nowhere and when the sun dies in a billion years people will stop believing becaause there wont be a miracle of god to save their dumbasses

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    • “and excuse to all the s– you do everyday but oh our savior will forgive us even though were scum to the earth”

      This is an excellent point! Why would God forgive us when we are all truly scummy, filthy, rotten sinners?? The Bible says “all are righteousness are as filthy rags” meaning, even though we think we are “good people” we’re actually not God in the eyes of a morally perfect and Holy God. We have all “sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” So given that, why would God forgive us freely? Because HE LOVES US. It is because of love. God loves us because we are all His children. It’s just that because of sin in our lives, we are rebellious children who are separated from Him.

      That is why Jesus Christ came to Earth. To come down in the scum and muck and be with us rotten sinners. To live as a man, suffer through all sorts of temptations and not sin. And then offer Himself as a willing sacrifice to take the punishment we should have for our own sins. So God not only loves us, He demonstrates His love that even though we are sinners, Jesus Christ died for us. All we have to do is acknowledge our sin to Him and believe in His plan of redemption. It’s no different than a parent seeing their child stealing something and they say “what are you doing?” They KNOW what their child is doing, they just want the child to be accountable and sorry and seek forgiveness.

      The Earth is not on the verge of death, contrary to what you think. And God is on His Throne in Heaven offering not just eternal life, but a new Earth to all of those who are born again believers. Jesus Christ is coming back to Earth, to regenerate it and renew it. And to rule over it. So that time is coming. but in the meantime, every single person living will have to choose God or Satan. Life or death. I’m not better than you. I’ve sinned many times and will sin in the future. I was once rebellious against God myself. I was once convinced I had it all figured out based on my feelings. But now I know that God’s ways are far higher than my ways. And I cannot escape my sin. I know I’m guilty before God just as you are. I’m not better. I’m just better off. Because Jesus took the punishment for my sins. And I hope and pray He will take the punishment for yours if you put the faith in Him. God bless.

      “Whosoever shall call upon the name of The Lord shall be saved.” — Romans 10:13

      How to Get to Heaven
      http://beginningandend.com/how-to-get-to-heaven/

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  74. ANonomousLieu says:

    they do it for money, take money away…take the problem away. government wont do that because they need money to control us and keep track of us. they also use religion to influence us. we all need money to survive or so the government leads us to believe. they can only raise our awareness by means of mass media & by making more money than most our country through mocking the very religion our entire country is based.
    …why is everything, first, a question of legality? shouldnt it have always been rather a question of morality…

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  75. A Fan of Reason says:

    Caring Mom: I agree with Anthony. My son is 14 years old and regardless if we do not allow him to listen to this music there are many ways to get a hold of listening to them, especially with the technology we have now. Their classmates and friends are listening to this. I found out my son was listening to this music just recently. I was unaware of Tyler the Creator so I looked him up. I listened to his music and watched his videos and I was in complete shock. Before I found out he was listening to this music from a classmates iPod my son started writing the numbers 666, OFGKTA, upside down cross on his note books, sneakers, hats, writing rap songs that talk about killing family and friends, writing about suicide, writing about rape, singing the songs at school and getting suspended for it. I am not saying that Tyler the Creator is at fault because my son is responsible for his actions but I feel that before my son was able to completely understand what Jesus Christ did for us he was learning about the antichrist from young rap artists. Right now my son is having a difficult time finding himself and this is just wrong what these rap artists are doing. Young teens are looking for acceptance from peers, trying to fit in this is why we have so many teen suicides and rap artisits like Tyler the Creator are not helping the situation they are making naive teens believe they are the antichrist. It is unfortunate that these rap artists have to take it to this level in order for them to gain money that states “In God We Trust”.

    typical blind christian parenting. blame everyone but yourself and use religion as a pious crutch with which you shoo away “satanists” and stand behind for your very tenuous source of strength. your kid writes about suicide and it takes you months to realize what your kid is listening to and you blame tyler? newsflash: you are a crappy mom. loving jesus and god is not loving your son. think about WHY you believe in god instead of living in a self-affirming/self-justifying world. you know what is blasphemous? millions of blind, ignorant christians who literally view EVERYTHING through the prism of their archaic beliefs instead of enjoying and interpretig life for what it is and understanding that the very definition of art is expression while the very definition and stance of the church is to stifle expression UNLESS OF COURSE IT COINCIDES WITH THEIR MESSAGE. you people are a self-serving, self-selective group of blowhards and close-minded fools. Your great-great grandparents, great-grandparents, grandparents, and parents all thought they were approaching end times of the bible and so will your dumb kids if you brainwash them early enough. It is called ego. We think we are so important we attach an image of god TO OUR OWN LIKENESS…HOW FULL OF YOURSELVES ARE YOU?

    I don’t even think Tyler is all that great at music either.

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    • A Fan of Reason: You don’t impress ANYONE with your long-winded, superfluous writing. You aren’t teaching anyone anything an your ego is effisively present in your writing.

      And yet, it apparently got your attention, did it not? Many people have said, quite a few to my face, that I have an ego. I do, but it is not what people see or hear- There’s a difference between ego and conviction, between pride and certainty.

      A Fan of Reason: Your brain is a crappy computer (all of ours are) that is a slave to dopamine. It is the reason you are typing essays that can literally be summarized as “i love christianity and i am so passive-aggressive”.

      Just as your own posts can be summarized as “I hate Christianity and Christians, and am thus far too belligerent for my own good.”

      A Fan of Reason: Evolution is proven. Your saying it isn’t is the equivalent of believing the world is still flat.

      Darwinian evolution is far from proven, and oddly enough, your saying it is is much like a stubborn child believing in the Easter bunny. I never believed the world to be flat, and more importantly, the Bible never said it was, contrary to the popular opinion of your apparent subscription.
      So… Let’s recap: Darwinian evolution is not proven, has not been proven, and will never be proven; there is no missing link, apart from the foolish attempts to construct them by failing scientists; my saying it isn’t is a statement of fact, much like saying the world is spherical; and finally, it is in the Bible that answers are found.

      Don’t like what I believe? Feel free to continue in your own ignorance.

      A Fan of Reason: Your beloved popes and the church change specific interpretations of religious laws to conveniently befit their respective eras/political leanings. Why? Because they are scared…and not of god.

      You’re an idiot. I’m sorry, but there’s no way around that. Why?

      Because you made a statement here that shows your ignorance. Because your statement is based upon an assumption which is false. Because you arrogantly believed you had me pegged. Because you are so shallow that you honestly believe you can make a blanket statement and actually have it fit everyone of a certain belief structure.

      I have no love for the popes- Strike one. I have no love for any church or denomination- Strike two. You are attempting to lecture me on matters wherein I know infinitely more than you, as evidenced by your bumbling display- Strike three. You’re out.

      Say goodnight, Gracie.

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      • A Fan of Reason says:

        Baited and trolled to perfection A dumb internet personality telling another internet stranger that he is being assuming yet his own assumptions are perfectly fine. Your rhetoric is empty and your words hold no weight – only the conviction and intent matters, and yiurs were to try to outwit me, put me down, cater to your own admitted ego, and try to incorporate (earnestly i might add you big douchebag) “zingers”.

        You just experienced and emoted excessive pride, worshipping yourself over your god, attempting to harm another human being, and being a general asshole. You really are Christian.

        Only a Napoleanic self-aware pedant like you would attempt to unknowingly employ the “i know you are but what am i” technique you mental midget. My first lines of my first post to you weren’t flattering; they were indicative of a person higher educated than you exposing you for your substance-less bombast. Your reply to me exhibited nothing but typical “YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE I AM RIGHT” christian drivel and lack of logic. god knows you hate yourself and so do i. i’m done with you.

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  76. A Fan of Reason says:

    RETS: You are a Catholic, but laugh at “you Christians” for getting upset over the music? I find this to be an interesting thought, Wolf. For one, you separate yourself from Christianity with that statement- Unless, of course, you meant that you laugh at those Christians which get offended. If that is the case, though, why the wholesale separation, as opposed to simply saying what you mean?

    Moreover, while I have known many atheists who absolutely know more than I about many things, I find that all of them, every single one, are also tremendously foolish. How so? They claim to be intellectuals, and yet believe in evolution, for example. They claim to be “mind over matter,” yet cannot follow that very logic to the existence of God. They are the most foolish, the most unintelligent, smart people on the planet. Hyping them over Christians, in most cases, is a sad thing indeed, though some instance do call for it.

    You don’t impress ANYONE with your long-winded, superfluous writing. You aren’t teaching anyone anything an your ego is effisively present in your writing. Your brain is a crappy computer (all of ours are) that is a slave to dopamine. It is the reason you are typing essays that can literally be summarized as “i love christianity and i am so passive-aggressive”.

    Evolution is proven. Your saying it isn’t is the equivalent of believing the world is still flat.

    Your beloved popes and the church change specific interpretations of religious laws to conveniently befit their respective eras/political leanings. Why? Because they are scared…and not of god.

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  77. Openmindedindividual says:

    This is some of the most disgusting ignorant I’ve ever seen spewed across the web, being friends with Tyler I know for a fact he’s not a satanist he’s an atheist he doesn’t believe in god or the devil, he called himself satans son because his dad is a peice of , seriously people like you are the reason organized religion is failing, your too closed minded to just understand that it’s art and it’s not taking itself seriously, Tyler’s “DEMON” is something he’s battling so when you see him with blacked out eyes he’s saying that this demon is inside of him and he’s trying to get rid of it, he has this other person inside of him that’s trying to control him and he battles with it, he’s a genuinely nice guy not a demon or the anti Christ, he doesn’t give a f— about anything so to make people mad he draws swastikas and upside down crosses everywhere

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  78. A Fan of Reason: Baited and trolled to perfection…

    What can I say? Feeding the occasional troll is a hobby of mine.

    A Fan of Reason: i’m done with you.

    And I you- You lack the ability to engage on any level save troll; you can only dish it out, because you lack the capability of taking doses of your own medicine… Yeah. Done with you too. Have a good life, and we’ll see you on the other side.

    Be blessed.

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  79. Openmindedindividual: This is some of the most disgusting ignorant I’ve ever seen spewed across the web, being friends with Tyler I know for a fact he’s not a satanist he’s an atheist he doesn’t believe in god or the devil, he called himself satans son because his dad is a peice of shit, seriously people like you are the reason organized religion is failing, your too closed minded to just understand that it’s art and it’s not taking itself seriously, Tyler’s “DEMON” is something he’s battling so when you see him with blacked out eyes he’s saying that this demon is inside of him and he’s trying to get rid of it, he has this other person inside of him that’s trying to control him and he battles with it, he’s a genuinely nice guy not a demon or the anti Christ, he doesn’t give a f– about anything so to make people mad he draws swastikas and upside down crosses everywhere

    I’d be interested to hear his take on what, exactly, a demon is- Considering he doesn’t believe in God or Satan as supernatural entities, as opposed to paternal influences.

    So far, though, all I’ve heard is lyrical love of necrophilia, rape, and yes, blasphemy- Among other things. If he’s actually a deeper individual, he sure doesn’t portray it in his music.

    However, that’s just my own observation, which is why I’d love to hear direct from him… Somehow.

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  80. Anynomous says:

    I believe this is true in so many ways, the youth are blinded by this, Tyler, The Creator is well known at my school, and I’m only in the 9th grade, I shouldn’t be the one on here talking about this. People need to OPEN THEIR EYES and see what music is doing to your soul. It isn’t just odd future either, Music and what you hear is the gateway to your soul. In one of tylers songs, he says something similiar to this, but I’m not sure if this is exactly what he stated , But he said something about being “All up” in your childrens ears to the gateway to their soul” something like that. Seriously, Open your eyes, see what I’m saying. If This doesn’t get seen, then who will tell them?

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  81. Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Trancend the world illusion on enslavement. The world denounces truth. Accepting Jesus will result in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it but will not beable to clealy explain it to anyone else. Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you. Currently your constructing your own path that suits your sin lifestyle. Look closely at the economy, Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food . Just think if you can find a truth you can take with you in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life. You will be forgotten history will repeat iteslf, the greates minds knowledge fates or is eventually plagerzed, your gooddeeds are forgotten. your teachings are forgotten or mutated, your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . Trancend you ego and free yourself from the dominion of satan. Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence. Faith above reason in Jesus Christ. Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth. Sell your cleverness and purchase bewilderment. You don’t get what you want you get what you are in christ. I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .
    Think of what you really have to lose. …your ego?
    Down is up. Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

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  82. Lucifer says:

    yh Islam is the real religion and the true religion, thats why no artists makes fun of it. people turn into beast mocking at Allah. i love tyler. Long live the illuminati. Jesus never died and will come to earth so we’ll fight on the day of Armageddon

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    • You Need Schooling says:

      Islam is of Lucifer, created by Lucifer. Why would Lucifer attack/make fun of himself? You obviously lack knowledge, wisdom and understanding. Please find it, and soon, for your own sake …

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  83. Lucifer: yh Islam is the real religion and the true religion, thats why no artists makes fun of it. people turn into beast mocking at Allah. i love tyler. Long live the illuminati. Jesus never died and will come to earth so we’ll fight on the day of Armageddon

    Islam is a religion created roughly fifty to one hundred years after the ascension of Christ, from the beliefs of Christians, Jews and the original pagan beliefs of the nomadic tribes. (Black rock within Mecca.) Muhammad attempted to pass himself off as a prophet to both the Christian community and the Jewish community, prior to ever being the “Last Prophet of Allah.”

    Moreover, Muhammad himself was a drunk, a drug addict, and an adulterer. His whole purpose for uniting the nomadic tribes behind him, by claiming to be the last prophet, was to lead a violent and bloody rebellion against the people that ran him out of town in the first place.

    The only men I’ve ever seen or read about turning into beasts did so after mocking YHWH. Not Allah, nor any other illusion.

    Christ did come; Christ did die; and Christ will come again- But not as Muhammad’s serving boy, his pet monkey or his general. When all is said and done, Muhammad was a man, and no more- A very sad, pitiful man, but a man nevertheless- And on the last day, his knee, along with every other, will be bowed to Jesus Christ.

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  84. You Need Schooling says:

    Power and glory be unto the God and Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. The God whose name alone is Jehovah. Blessed is the name of the Most High God

    Good article, BeginningandEnd! Very eye-opening for me.

    I honestly do believe that it is not the artist, per se, who is writing these profane and blaphemous lyrics to these songs. I believe it to be Lucifer, himself, speaking and writing these words through these people. The reason I believe this is because when I think about it, nobody would normally think up such disturbing ideas/views on their own; but when they make themselves available, spiritually, to the wicked, evil influences of Lucifer, to become a medium through which Lucifer can speak, then I believe that’s where these blasphemous lyrics are coming from. Lucifer knows humans are basically weak-minded, starved in their poverty, and knows that humans desire more than anything else to have money/fame, etc. The trade-off between Lucifer and these weak-minded, money-hungry artists is that they get to have all their financial/fame dreams come true, as long as they allow him to use them to speak his blasphemy of the Lord God Jehovah and the Lord Jesus Christ through them. The added bonus for Lucifer in this deal is the millions upon millions of people who will be blinded and lead astray through attaching themselves to these artists and becoming their fans/followers, as evidenced by the ignorance of the posters who commented in support of Tyler/Odd Future, etc. Of course the music industry is Satanic; Lucifer, before he was cast out of the Kingdom of God for his rebellion, was the minister of music in Heaven. The angels of God sang songs that praised and glorified Him; Lucifer wanted praise and glory, too, so he lead a rebellion against God in Heaven, but was defeated and cast down to earth, to where he now leads his own “choir” of present day music artists who sing/write songs that glorify him, and blaspheme God and Jesus Christ – just like he wants it to be.

    If there is anybody who calls themselves a true believer and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ in one breath, but then in another breath, says that they listen to and enjoy Tyler the Creator’s music, and the music of other artists like him, they are seriously deluding yourself. You could be considered many things; but a true Christ follower is not one of them. You are what the Bible speaks of as being “double-minded”, which means trying to follow and reconcile two different opposing beliefs (usually right vs. wrong). You cannot glorify God one day and then the next day glorify Lucifer. You simply cannot do it. If you are the true Christian you say you are, then you wouldn’t even WANT to do it. What it is is that you have been fooled by Lucifer into believing that you CAN glorify the Lord God Jehovah and him, both, and suffer no consequences for doing so. But the Word of God says that either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will love the one and hate the other. You cannot serve both God (righteousness) and mammon (wickedness). So, if you’re the type of “on the fence” person who wants to listen to and enjoy OFWGKTA and Lil B, and artists like them, then please get down off the fence and go ahead and follow along with that. But do not ever have the audacity to call yourself a Christian because a true Christ follower and lover of God Jehovah would not dare make a mockery of Jesus Christ or His Father and would not dare sit in the company of those who do.

    Choose today whom you will serve.

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  85. Practical Thinker says:

    I’m a sophomore in high school, and keep hearing about this guy! All religion aside, I really don’t get why anyone would want to listen to Tyler, The Creator. Yeah, he can rap fast and obviously has some sort of creative mind. But the thing is, he talks about raping and beating women, killing people, and having sex with dead bodies. WHY would you want to listen to that?! That’s just plain gruesome and creepy! I kept hearing people talk about him, so I listened to some of his music. It didn’t take me very long to figure out that, one, this is not something I want to be polluting my ears with, and two, he is dealing with some issues of his own. He repeatedly states how unhappy he is and brings up his suicidal thoughts in some of his songs. He also has said he’s not being serious when he talks about killing and raping people. Nevertheless, whether he’s being serious about it or not, why listen to such foul things? Furthermore, he does have the right to freedom of speech and can produce his music — whether some of us like it or not.

    As a teenager, I know how much music can influence us. Wiz Khalifa reps “Taylor Gang,” so now every other teenage boy goes around saying “Taylor Gang or Die” for fun and wears Converse’s with camo khaki shorts, black long socks, and a white V-neck (Just as Wiz Khalifa does often). So, yeah, music influences us A LOT. Tyler, the Creator and other artists like Jay-Z know EXACTLY what they’re doing when they sport Freemason symbols and bash Christianity. They know who they’re going to reach. And they KNOW what they say will influence the beliefs of the youth of today. So, no, I don’t think anyone is “reading too deeply” into any of the symbols these artists are throwing out.

    Now as someone who knows the Christian faith, I can understand why this article was posted. The Bible clearly tells Christians to go out and share the Gospel, so others can be saved. I can’t speak for everyone, but for those who are honestly just trying to inform you of the Christian beliefs, they care about you and just want to see you in Heaven.

    And now solely as myself, I am very grateful for this article. When I was watching some of Tyler, the Creator’s music videos, I kept noticing the upside down cross. I’ve known that it had something to do with some Satanic belief, or something like that, but wasn’t very sure. However, I did know about Peter not wanting to be crucified the same way Jesus did, so I was aware he was crucified on an upside down cross. Although, I highly doubted Tyler was repping an inverted cross. So I Googled it, came across this, and am happy I got some answers I wanted!

    So, some of you guys don’t think the author should’ve written all this, but I am glad he did! Besides, it was quite comical to read some of ignorant posts. Anyways, thanks for posting this! :)

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    • Practical Thinker says:

      Just to correct a few typos: I meant I highly doubted Tyler was repping an inverted cross to symbolize Peter or anything like that. Also, I meant that it was quite comical to read some of *the ignorant posts.

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  86. Pastor Tim says:

    Tyler and Hodgy Beats of OFWGKTA stated: you should take what the world gives you and deal with it, and not look into religion to intervene yourself, people think god can fix everything, Me? a self-proclaimed outspoken atheist, disagrees. I hate religion, they’re all BS and theres no way to tell which one is right so i just be me” Which is an Atheist remark, they just don’t like religion of any kind, it doesn’t make them a satanist, they think its funny when people get butt-hurt and create a blog like this. have a nice day

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    • Hi Tim,

      Thanks for your comments. So you say that you’re an outspoken atheist. Why do you hate something that you don’t think is real? If God is fiction, why would you be mad at him?

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  87. before we start, I’m a youth minister, and my parents are pastors.Now then… Whoever wrote this article is incredibly ignorant. maybe do a little research??? maybe? yes, you should. The members of Odd Future are either atheist, or christian. Tyler does and says these things to get attention. he mentioned that in one of the songs that you quoted… but if you would have really listened to the song, you would have known that. he doesn’t believe in Christ, or any god at all for that matter, so of course its no big deal for him to say and do and wear the things he does. to him, its just another meaningless random comment. Tyler is actually a pretty nice guy in person, an has had a rough childhood. how about we pray for the kid instead of giving people misinformation about him. and Lil b just did what Tyler did because he saw how well it was working as far as getting noticed. you need to learn how the music industry works before you just start writing articles like this. Theres no way Lil B is illuminati. jeez.

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  88. Leland: before we start, I’m a youth minister, and my parents are pastors.Now then… Whoever wrote this article is incredibly ignorant. maybe do a little research??? maybe? yes, you should. The members of Odd Future are either atheist, or christian. Tyler does and says these things to get attention. he mentioned that in one of the songs that you quoted… but if you would have really listened to the song, you would have known that. he doesn’t believe in Christ, or any god at all for that matter, so of course its no big deal for him to say and do and wear the things he does. to him, its just another meaningless random comment. Tyler is actually a pretty nice guy in person, an has had a rough childhood. how about we pray for the kid instead of giving people misinformation about him. and Lil b just did what Tyler did because he saw how well it was working as far as getting noticed. you need to learn how the music industry works before you just start writing articles like this. Theres no way Lil B is illuminati. jeez.

    Hi Leland,

    Thank you very much coming to the site and for your comments. It’s great to have a Youth Minister contribute on such a youth-related article like this one. I do have a few comments.

    1) Tyler is an atheist: Whether Tyler and OF are atheists or Christians is really irrelevant to the point of this article. This article is about blasphemy against God and our Savior Jesus Christ. And I think by any objective standard what Tyler and OF do qualified. They are completely insulting God and Jesus in their lyrics, videos and imagery. And for the record I know that Tyler states that he is an atheist.

    2) They do it for attention: Even if this is true, it does not justify their actions. If one of your youths spray painted “666” on a wall in your church and said it was “for attention” would you be okay with that? I would hope note. Blasphemy is something very serious in the Bible. Just as if someone brazenly insulted our spouse, our mother or our children, we should feel even more passionately about it when the insult is directed at our Lord Jesus Christ. And certainly we should not be okay with anyone, much less Christians, listening and supporting artists like Tyler and OF.

    The Bible says: “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” How do you reconcile your defense of OF with this verse? The book of Jude says: “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Tyler, Lil B and OF are making a complete mockery of the faith and making it cool and hip to blaspheme Christianity and not take it seriously. Not to mention that Tyler sings about raping women, necrophilia and all sorts of drug use. And yet, you are okay with your youth listening to this? You feel a need to defend them? I am stunned and saddened but I hope we can reach understanding. So I appreciate your thoughts on what I have written. God bless.

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  89. The more we understand about the world, the less we believe in religion. This is why young people have a hard time blindly following religion. If you know that it’s impossible for a burning bush to talk or a man to come back from the dead then how do you believe in religion? Don’t blame music if your kid doesn’t believe in black magic, faith or spirituality.Blame science class, dance to music! I’m trying to help everyone understand why kids don’t believe anymore. I don’t mean to offend but do you actually believe that after you die you will live in perfect health forever with your favorite people? The idea itself is insane from a purely scientific point of view.

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  90. tukang.odonk2 says:

    …..you all the antichrist will be burn in hell for ever……..

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  91. 1LLUM1N1$T AG3NDA says:

    You’re [censored for threats of violence]

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    • Oh, yeah… There’s a threat worth shaking in my boots over. I highly doubt BeginningAndEnd will be too concerned, either.

      I’ve died once already, and death couldn’t stop me. I signed up to die, so fear of death can’t top me. Toss out your threats, I’ll just preach harder; and if you do manage to kill me, I’m going out a martyr. People confuse technology with progress, and many look at world religions and see some twisted contest. The issue at hand though, isn’t which is right- It’s the source of each, most from darkness, one from light. So yeah, I’ve got a loud mouth, and get a lot of people pissed. BAE does the same; your comment proves this. But a credible threat from a faceless wannabe? Please- You haven’t got the power to begin to touch we.

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  92. Everyone is blaming “rap” music , although rock artist bein doing this since 1950 .

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  93. f--religion says:

    Whoever wrote this is an idiot. Tyler states he is an atheist many times. He even says himself that he’s not a devil worshiper, that he’s too ignorant to do some research. Tyler enjoys pissing dumb f– like you off. F— you religion and enjoy sucking your entire life over something that doesn’t exis

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    • FR, do you even know what a true Satanist is? Here’s a hint- They are not Lucifarian, and they don’t do human sacrifices. Yeah, BaE blurs the line between the two himself, but it’d be a good idea to actually have some knowledge on a subject before you go blasting someone else.

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  94. WOLF haley says:

    Ok first your just giving tyler what he wants this is what he want you to think and
    Secound you said “The upside down or inverted cross is a Satanic symbol” umm no its not its a symbol showing you that you do not belive in god.
    OFWGKTA.
    -Wolf Haley.

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    • One and the same, Wolf.

      Also, you also seem to be lacking in your history. The Apostle Peter, at his death, requested being crucified upside down precisely because he DID believe in God so strongly. It has been used for centuries by various Christian churches for precisely this reason.

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      • Many symbols have more than one meaning. In the Bible Satan is called “that old serpent.” Yet when Moses was saving the Israelites from disease, he held up a brass serpent for them to look to be healed. Jesus then compared Himself to that same serpent. So is the serpent an evil symbol or a good one? Its BOTH.

        The inverted cross has many meanings. It takes just a cursory search to find numerous satanic websites that use the inverted cross as their symbol. And it is this author’s contention that for the case of Tyler the Creator and Odd Future, it is done in anti-Christian, anti-God symbol and not an homage or tribute to the Apostle Peter. I hope that clears things up. God bless.

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        • True enough, BaE.

          I only bring up its origin for the sake of clearing up the misconception that it is the sole domain of satanists and such. It’s truly sad that most of the world, indeed, a large majority of the church, does not know the history OF the church; and therefore, a symbol of humility and unquestioned fealty to Christ has been relegated to those who are least worthy of it.

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  95. I honestly feel sorry for ridiculously religous people. When you die that’s it you just die. You cease existing. Accept the fact. But in the mean time enjoy Odd Future’s art and other joys of life that the bible prohibits.

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    • Omar, I believe it was Christopher Hitchens that said “[w]hat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.” Obviously, you share in this opinion.

      With that said, however, Atle Selberg once observed that “…it’s very dangerous to have a fixed idea. A person with a fixed idea will always find some way of convincing himself in the end that he is right…”
      I personally have had my beliefs challenged and tested and so forth, and they have changed. When was the last time you allowed yourself to be open to the concept that there is a possibility you are wrong? I do so every day, and every day, I find myself going to sleep with a more concrete faith- Or, a slightly different view.

      As Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote, “There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.” The obvious is that, when a person dies, their body is either cremated and placed in an urn; buried; shipped to sea; or any other number of practices. The facts remain that the body does not leave this plain of existence; it merely changes form and substance. But, as Vanna Bonta stated: “The illusion is we are only physical.”

      How does one explain the things which a human can do that have no scientific explanation? Phantom Limb Syndrome has an explanation, but that still does not offer a comprehensive understanding of the how and why. The feeling of Deja Vu, which may be little more than a minor annoyance for folks such as you and I, remains unexplained- Yet, it exists.

      For years, people have been attempting to pass of these and other odd events, (such as Near Death Experiences, Extrasensory Perception- Even intuition), as merely a psychological glitch. From writing off a man’s claim of seeing the other side as neurons misfiring; to explaining “Mother’s Intuition” as being nothing more than concern that is occasionally proven correct while more often proven wrong; some people are simply unable to truly look at anything with an open mind, though they themselves boldly, loudly, and constantly deride others for not broadening theirs.

      It has been said that “he who decides a matter, without first hearing and accepting all the facts, is a fool and worthy of his shame.” I accept that my body ceases to exist, yet at the same time, those such as yourself have been unable to prove that my spirit continues on.
      The burden of proof rests with the one who brings the claim, and quite frankly, the majority of atheists have gone about their way very shrewdly; for they have not offered proof of their claim, though theirs is the “newest.” Instead, the freshmen challenge the seniors to prove their claim, while simultaneously behaving as though they are the originators and therefore beyond the need to do so themselves.

      Yet, look through history, and one discovers that mankind has, from the dawn of time, believed they had spirits; believed in some deity or another; and believed in the supernatural. The so-called “age of reason” is by comparison a far younger movement, and thus, by the Atheist’s own lips, should prove itself.

      So, having said that, I make their challenge to me and mine, my challenge to them:
      “[w]hat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence,” and “[e]xtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

      Provide that evidence, or be dismissed, according to the words of Hitchens and Sagan themselves.

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  96. Not an Ignorant White Christian says:

    …I like how this article bashes hip hop and claims that their lyrics are the first to move from the realm of hidden occultism to outright blasphemy. Sabbath? a group of white dudes who wrote songs about satanic possession, AC/DC. KISS which stands for Knights In Satans Service. I mean, come on. This is almost racist. What about Black Dahlia with songs about necrophilia, pedophilia and sodomy? Job for a Cowboy, Carnifex, Cattle Decapitation. This is f– ridiculous.

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    • I think you have a point, NIWC- However, while rock ‘n’ roll has had a history of this as well, rap has taken it to another whole level. More to the point, if you read through some of the other articles BaE has written, you’ll find he’s written about those groups as well. This article just happened to focus on rap, and these artists specifically.

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  97. Senor Cat says:

    look, i’m Christian and i fucking love Tyler and Odd Future, He’s an atheist, he pisses off people just for fun and whats a better way to do it by using the “Sacred Number” 666 and the inverted cross, people just need to learn to stop taking things serious. I’m a firm believer but I’m not religious like constantly reading the bible or being a square. I realize parents don’t like him but thats because they take it seriously. but to sum it all up is i dont really understand why people are whining about it, i mean the dude is a troll, and he just mocks the people who are suck up and extremely religious.

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    • “Everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial.”

      You may like him, but that doesn’t make him good to listen to, friend. I really enjoy Tech N9ne… But he isn’t good to listen to.

      Moreover, the people he’s mocking, and the beliefs that he’s mocking- Those are your own beliefs. I’m with you this far: A lot of Christians need to grow up and deal with the fact that we are not going to be loved all the time. A lot of Christians need to come up with a constructive means to deal with the mocking and ridicule. However, at the same time, it’s also not wise to uphold those that do the mocking.

      Anyway, dude- Just some things to think about.

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    • You Need Schooling says:

      @ Senor Cat –

      Really? You purport to be Christian, but you love Tyler the Creator – who’s an admitted atheist? Do you even know what an atheist is and how an atheist believes? I suspect you do not know, but if you do, I find it strange that you would love the type of person who would feel free to mock the Lord and Savior you claim to follow. So, since you’re a Christian, how does it make you feel to listen to and sing the blasphemous things that Tyler/OFWGKTA sing? If you don’t find yourself repulsed at the mockery and blasphemy, then you are not Christian. Why would you be in love with someone who says the Lord and Savior you believe in does not exist? Atheists are enemies of the Lord God Jehovah; so are you saying that by being a fan of this group, you are in agreement with the enemies of God? I would think that your love of the Lord Jesus Christ (if you indeed love Christ) would trump any piece of blasphemous nonsense that comes out of this Tyler person’s mouth.

      If you are indeed a Christian, as you claim, then you should have no problem praying for Tyler and his group because they need prayer – desperately. Pray for them that they can be delivered from the powers of darkness that have overtaken their lives. As a Christian, you shouldn’t want to see them living in darkness anymore. And pray for yourself, too. Or, do you want to keep enjoying their music and thus living in darkness with them? If so, then please don’t call yourself a Christian.

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      • ofwgkta says:

        You guys take s– too seriously. You take a life and lord you’ve never encountered too seriously when you’re living in a decent one right now. Go outside and think for yourself.

        You understood the world without god before you were told to understand the world with god.

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      • Daneswag says:

        You need to get a life of your own, ms. I mean no offense, but it really saddens me that americans rely so much on that old hebrew fellow. Love him, but don’t smother him. I hate that you are trapped in such a black/white world.

        Sod all religions and atheism. You’re all sad and vaguely pathetic.

        Love life, and hail the ancients.

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        • Sometimes, black and white is how it is. I don’t believe that there are not grey areas, of course. There really are, and anyone who doesn’t recognize that fact has their head in the sand.

          With that said, what would you consider yourself, if you despise all religions AND atheism? Liberated? How? And by what means?

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          • Daneswag says:

            Liberated, sure we could call it that. But not in the sense that i think you’re implying. Crudely spoken, I believe in culture and humanity. Yes there is something that we don’t understand, but it’s not superhuman, it lies in the creation of men. I don’t know what it is, but i know it when I see it.

            On the black and white thing, then no. It’s never black and white, in fact everything is a beautifull rainbow of different colors, perspectives and levels, but it’s a known fact that you can only see the rainbow if you’re standing on the correct side of it. Otherwise, it’s above your head where you will probably never understand it.

            (I totally take credit for that one. It’s just came to me as if it was handed down to me by God herself. Sorry for provocating, I’m just being objective)

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  98. i like OFWGKTA, but i dont like their message. But they kinda do make it obvious their trying to imply their worship for satan. I still like them but i look at them a different way and try not to let them interfere with my own religeous beliefs. (:

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    • Well, good for you, Kaitlyn. I do wonder, though, if you don’t like their message, what is it about the music that you DO like?

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  99. ofwgkta says:

    Caring Mom:
    I’m assuming you don’t have children…….I bet you are young and naive.

    I’m assuming you need to bring your kids to soccer practice right about now.
    Theists make me want to puke

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    • Really? And what is it about “Theists” that inspires such an intense reaction?

      Moreover, what in your past lives caused you to be such a troglodyte?

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  100. Daneswag says:

    A second opinion from another world: I’m a Scandinavian, and we are extremely liberal to this sort of thing. This is played on the radio, and Tyler is hailed in media, along with local groups that are quite lyrically related. No one in Denmark has ever comitted a school shooting or burnt a church, and murder rate is scratching the floor. Why is it that we are so different? We mind or own business. We have better stuff to do than worry about god getting angry, and we only have a very small amount of Christian nuts (excuse my choice of words). Our children also draw weird shit on their stuff, and wears weird clothes and all that, but at the end of the day, they do their homework, brush their teeth and go to bed, and most of them end up doing what they want to do, be it carpenter or doctor.
    These cultural movements are praised, because we are not held back by over-the-top religious views, instead we embrace it, enjoy it, and then go back to listening to our old jazz records or whatever. I myself am a molten fan of Odd Future, because they have not only revolutionized the hip hop world musically, but they play a giant part in moving the world into individualism. And only through this, you discover the world in its entirety (i hope thats a word), become able to stand on your own without a god in your back, decide for yourself whats right and wrong, and if your god is real, this is what he wants from you.

    Greetings from Denmark, hail Odin. Swag.

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    • “…stand on your own without a god in your back, decide for yourself whats right and wrong, and if your god is real, this is what he wants from you.”

      And how do you arrive at this conclusion?

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      • Daneswag says:

        I should make it clear that I am not trying to be factual or scientific here. I will converse as if assuming that your god is true, and of course do my best to be objective.

        That being said, i draw my conclusion solely based on logic; if we think for ourselves, and pay no mind to a tome written long after the death of mr. Christ whom saved you all, then god is a “personification”(non-human, but an intellegent being) of love, who created all of us. Now, many thousands of years later (not quite sure about the timing), some of us are still walking around hiding behind a leaf, afraid to show our humanity and individuality, saving ourselves till we’re married, instead of giving ourselves away to love, which is the essence of christian belief, and the figure of god who loves us, his creations.
        Man creates too, but when it comes to artistic expression, like claiming t be under the control of an evil figure like the biblical satan, or ornamenting your art with anti-christian symbol, you take distance from it, and curse it to hell. Instead, view it from a distance, and don’t be scared. Laugh at it, or embrace it on an artistic level, and you will see that it’s really not that bad. It is all creations of the love of music. Just like you were created out of love. If man has evolved so far as to work and make creations of love, then how couldn’t he be proud? Having your head above the water and looking differently on things, you would realise that the works of Tyler and OF (whom are really just teenagers having a blast) are all just creations of love, just like yourselves.
        It is the classical christian ignorance and naivity that leads to unpleasant discussions and other awful situations like, say, raiding my home country spitting on our beliefs, burning my people and destroying my culture which now lays in ruins. Situations like these, you know the whole killing of innocents/gods beloved children and cliché christian arguments, could have been avoided if you had stood on your own feet, and not blindly done what you were told god wanted, but done what god would really have wanted you to; love others.

        Sidenote: I don’t believe in the old gods, but I believe in the memory of a cultural identity that was destroyed.

        I’m not sure if I expressed myself clearly enough, but if it seems clouded, please tell me so and I will try to clarify it. Remember that english is only my second language, and many of the phrases that i want to use don’t exist in english, so I have to think up a replacement, hence some of it might be easy to misinterpret. Also disregard all irony and sarcasm.
        I would, as stated before much prefer to rephrase rather that than having to deal with intentional misunderstandings or the classic christian one-liners like “I will pray for you” or other stuff of the likes.

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        • Man creates, yes, but because that divine spark remains within His creation. As the Nepalese say, “Namaste.” There is a reason for this phrase, and it is not entirely rooted in archaic pagan nonsense.
          Now, how man creates and why, that is a different story. How can one man create masterpieces of art and cause a sense of awe and wonder in people, while his brother can only create destruction and cause a sense of revilement in those same individuals? I am not about to insult you and declare that the artistic one is a Christian and his brother is not- This is merely an example.
          You might say that the brothers chose different paths. However, if that’s the case, then whose path is the right path? The one of blood or the one of art? For that matter, is the destructive brother not just as artistic in his own way? How would you answer these?

          In referring to the Scripture which states that “God is Love,” you unintentionally make a common error. You believe that Christ was the embodiment of love, and while He was full of love, He was not ONLY love. Too often people in general attempt to confine God to a single category. Yes, everything that He does, including the shows of His wrath, are motivated by love. However, were God to be solely love, He would not be capable of anything else- Such as judgment.

          No, my friend, Christ was not the embodiment of Love, but of the Word of God. Logos, it is called in the Greek, meaning the “Living Word,” the “Power filled Word” or the “Creative Word.” It is this Logos that brought the world into existence. It is this Logos that declared freedom to Israel, and simultaneously declares judgment on Egypt. It is this Logos that speaks to the Judges, and through the mouths of the prophets.
          It was this Logos that finally sent Israel into captivity, and the same Logos who formed as a human fetus within the womb of a virgin girl. It is this Logos that cried at birth; that taught the teachers at 12; that turned water to wine; that healed the sick; that restored the lame; that gave sight to the blind; that gave speech to the mute; that opened deaf ears; that cleansed the diseased; that raised the dead; that calmed the storms; that walked on water; that cast out demons; that cried out in Gethsemane; and that declared that all was finished- Fulfilled in His own sacrifice.

          And I ask you: Why should it not be so? Why would Jesus Christ, or Yehshua Ha’Meshiach, the embodiment of that same Logos, not be able to do these things? It was He who created them all, and He who redeemed them all. Moreover, by its very nature, Logos, the Living Word, cannot remain dead. Indeed, even while dead in this world, He lived in the next, bringing freedom to those in that very prison. Then, unable to be conquered by death and having done all that was needed, He rose.

          Again- What is more difficult to believe? That we have the same attributes of a God who does not exist? Or that we have the spark of His divine nature still within us, which gives us the ability to do many of the same things He did- Such as create.
          Even then, we are not so much creators as imitators. “We invented the rocket!” Yet God created the comets and meteors, and they move far faster than our imitations. “We invented gunpowder and explosives!” Perhaps, but God had already created volcanoes, methane gas, and other naturally combustible elements. “We invented writing and language!” Yet God wrote on tablets with Moses; on the wall in Babylon; in the sand before the prostitute; and now, through His Spirit, upon the hearts of those who call Him Abba.

          The music of Tyler and those like him is creative, and yes, I firmly believe they are having a blast and probably doing all of this for the shock value. Regardless, we come back to the divine spark within man, allowing him to create. If there is a divinity, there is also the infernal; and unbeknownst to mankind in general, we are highly susceptible to the persuasion of the unseen. That unseen persuasion can come from either side, and if the end result is not something which encourages that which is good: love, kindness, patience, mercy, etc., then it is not something A) of God; and more importantly from a secular standpoint, B) not worth listening to.

          We get enough crap shoved at us every day in the news. ;-)

          Finally, those individuals who carried out the Crusades; those who carried out the Inquisitions; those who carried out the witch hunts; those who gave approval and those who carried out the slaughter and ransacking of native peoples- Those were Christian in name alone. Think of all you know about the teachings of Christ: Can one who does not follow those teachings truly call themselves “little Christs?” Can anyone who does not even make an effort to follow them actually have room to say “I am a Christian” and have it mean something?

          Incidentally, I know where you’re coming from in regards to the native lands, and so forth. I’m Cherokee, Seminole, Blackfoot and Abenaki. My peoples were slaughtered before we even went to war, let alone for “good reason.” (sarcasm there.)

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          • Daneswag says:

            I will respond to this in the weekend, don’t think I gave up ;) Finals and stuff, you know.

            And kudos for not being a dick, I actually quite enjoy this discussion.

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  101. All I have to say is, its the 21st century and this is America. Freedom of religion baby! And no I am not Santanic!

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    • I’m laughing, only because that “freedom of religion” means a whole lot more, and a whole lot less, than most people today realize.

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        • All right, happily.

          On the “whole lot more” side, far too many members of the Christian faith believe it’s speaking strictly of Christianity. There is far too much documentation to believe that this is the case. Thus, the clause guaranteeing freedom of religion was speaking to everything from Christianity to Santaria to Native American Folk Religions.

          On the other hand, it means “a whole lot less” in that there are also far too many people who believe that phrase means “freedom from religion.” These are the people who look to the government to “protect” them from religion’s “evil” influence. The truth is, there is nothing allowing the government to restrict, prevent, or regulate the free practice of religion. In fact, the government is absolutely barred from doing so according to the Constitution of the United States.

          There are a lot of people who would attempt to argue this point by stating that the Constitution guarantees a separation of church and state. In reality, this phrase cannot be found anywhere in the wording of that document. It is instead found in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association from Thomas Jefferson. That particular segment of his letter was addressing this section of the letter they wrote to him:

          Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious liberty: that Religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals, that no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious opinions, [and] that the legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbor. But sir, our constitution of government is not specific. Our ancient charter, together with the laws made coincident therewith, were adapted as the basis of our government at the time of our revolution. And such has been our laws and usages, and such still are, [so] that Religion is considered as the first object of Legislation, and therefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of the State) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable rights. And these favors we receive at the expense of such degrading acknowledgments, as are inconsistent with the rights of freemen. It is not to be wondered at therefore, if those who seek after power and gain, under the pretense of government and Religion, should reproach their fellow men, [or] should reproach their Chief Magistrate, as an enemy of religion, law, and good order, because he will not, dares not, assume the prerogative of Jehovah and make laws to govern the Kingdom of Christ.

          In short, they were concerned that, even though they were dutiful citizens of the new country and believed in all that it stood for (including criminal justice, which was a rather hot button issue at the time), someone would come to power and attempt to use the government to control religion. The irony here is that this is exactly what is happening today in many ways, but I digress.

          Thomas Jefferson wrote back, and it is from the following that erroneously attributed and oft misquoted phrase comes (and I shall emphasize that phrase in its true form):

          Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature would “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

          Thomas Jefferson, whom many wish to appeal to when arguing that religion has no place in government and/or societal formation, believed wholeheartedly that religion was, in fact, a natural right- One not granted by the government, and thus not controlled by it. Notice that he committed himself to upholding the freedom of religion from government interference in the last sentence of this paragraph- He would be rolling in his grave if he knew the steps that are being taken to regulate it today.

          In spite of being a Deist, he affirmed the teachings of Christ, and believed that He was a man upon whom rested the hand of God Almighty. Though he denied Christ’s deity, he did believe that Christ was specifically granted insight for the express purpose of calling humanity back to the worship of the True God.

          I hope that answers your question. I’ll happily reply if you have any further questions. Take care.

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  102. Daneswag:
    I will respond to this in the weekend, don’t think I gave up Finals and stuff, you know.

    And kudos for not being a dick, I actually quite enjoy this discussion.

    I try not to be, but when the situation calls for it… ;-)

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  103. hiuwengomdaeumfhua says:

    i think its all crap. just believe what you want to & move on, k? i, personally am a strong believer in Christ, so i dont listen to OddFuture. but i used to. & i used to be atheist. but im not anymore, alright. & looking at this made me realize that the music was my biggest influence. i stopped listening to this & i got back on my feet so i could find myself. not only did i find myself, but i found God, too. get over yourselves people, stop starting a big mess over music. if they want to go to hell & worship the devil, then let them no big deal.

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    • What’s up, my friend? I just wanted to say that I understand what you’re trying to convey. I do want to point out, though, that the eternal fate, so to speak, of everyone around you is the Christian’s concern. Not that we are to be up in everyone’s face- That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that it should be a concern that propels us to pray for folks, if nothing else.

      So, in other words, it is a “big deal” — Just not to the point where you misrepresent Christ to a world needing Him.

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  104. Personally, I became an atheist way before I ever heard of Odd Future. I am 16 years old, and I can’t see how people believe in a magical floating spirit that created everything. That seems like bullshit to me. So please don’t say that the music is influencing kids, when it isn’t. It’s the fact that people, such as myself, actually read the bible and see how ridiculous that book is. Even if God did exist, I would never follow his word after reading the bible.

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    • I don’t think that BaE’s point was that Odd Future creates atheists- More that he encourages an atheistic view. I agree, Andrew: No person, no music, no literature, can force someone into a belief they don’t want or aren’t open to. That’s one reason you don’t see the truth of the Bible. (Just making the point- Not an attack.)

      However, as a musician, I can tell you for a fact that music DOES influence people, and not just kids. The messages conveyed encourage something, or there wouldn’t be a message. The music elicits emotional and other mental reactions. So music DOES, in fact, influence people.

      As for reading the Bible, like I said- Nothing can force someone to believe something they are not open to, nor can it persuade someone to believe something they do not want to. It’s that simple.

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  105. Umm yea, whoever thinks tyler is so called “cool” should be ashamed of themselves. This is a serious topic and saying tyler is not at fault for sending these messages out in the first place is just ignorant. Everyone who has read this knows good and wel that these boys are nothing but ignorant fools who need god as much as they need a new hobby. MAY GOD BE WITH ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE FALLEN INBETWEEN THE CRACKS!

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    • Just to be clear, Tyler’s hobby is not rap music- Rap music is his job. That’s how he gets paid.

      This is a serious topic, you’re correct. However, part of taking the topic seriously as acknowledging what they do on the “real world” level as much as the spiritual.

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  106. Jesus is Lord says:

    Sad days are coming : the bible say a time is coming where people will long for death; they will ask the rocks to fall on them because of the wath of God shall be poured on the earth upon the SON OF DISOBIDINCE.People have choosen to worship the creature instead of createor and are asleep: no matter how many articles one will write no matter how many warning ; most will not take heed because they are in a dreamworld and they want it to stay like that.It is a sad day when God gives humanity over to its own dillusions. I got saved when I was 11: my parents did not force me to be a follower of Lord Jesus;I knew in my being that without him there is no life eternal and looking at some of the peers I went to school with I am so gratefull I chose his salvation. It is not easy being a chrisitian in a world that is already resembling the mark and worship of the beast in its actions but one thing I do have is contentment apeace that I know the world can never give me. So gratefull to be called his daughter and I will not trade it for anything by his grace and mercy that sustains me. When you have made a mere mortal a god in your heart you are incapable to see the deception that is right beofre your eyes. IF THE GOSPEL IT VEILED IT IS VEIDLED TO THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING WHOSE MIND THE GOD OF THIS WORLD(SATNA) HAS BLINDED LEST THE GLORIOUS LIGHT OF CHRIST JESUS SHOULD SHINE ON THEM.

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  107. Jesus is Lord says:

    Sad days are coming : the bible say a time is coming where people will long for death; they will ask the rocks to fall on them because the wath of God shall be poured on the earth upon the SONS OF DISOBIDINCE.People have choosen to worship the creature instead of createor and are asleep: no matter how many articles one will write no matter how many warning ; most will not take heed because they are in a dreamworld and they want it to stay like that.It is a sad day when God gives humanity over to its own dillusions. I got saved when I was 11: my parents did not force me to be a follower of Lord Jesus;I knew in my being that without him there is no life eternal and looking at some of the peers I went to school with I am so gratefull I chose his salvation. It is not easy being a chrisitian in a world that is already resembling the mark and worship of the beast in its actions but one thing I do have is contentment apeace that I know the world can never give me. So gratefull to be called his daughter and I will not trade it for anything by his grace and mercy that sustains me. When you have made a mere mortal a god in your heart you are incapable to see the deception that is right beofre your eyes. IF THE GOSPEL IT VEILED IT IS VEIDLED TO THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING WHOSE MIND THE GOD OF THIS WORLD(SATNA) HAS BLINDED LEST THE GLORIOUS LIGHT OF CHRIST JESUS SHOULD SHINE ON THEM.

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  108. Jesus is Lord says:

    Sad days are coming : the bible say a time is coming where people will long for death; they will ask the rocks to fall on them because the wath of God shall be poured on the earth upon the SONS OF DISOBIDINCE.People have choosen to worship the creature instead of createor and are asleep: no matter how many articles one will write no matter how many warnings ; most will not take heed because they are in a dreamworld and they want it to stay like that.It is a sad day when God gives humanity over to its own dillusions. I got saved when I was 11: my parents did not force me to be a follower of Lord Jesus;I knew in my being that without him there is no life eternal and looking at some of my peers I went to school with I am so gratefull I chose his salvation and his way. It is not easy being a christian in a world that is already resembling the mark and worship of the beast in its actions but one thing I do have is contentment and peace that I know the world can never offer me. So gratefull to be called his daughter and I will not trade it for anything by his grace and mercy that sustains me. When you have made a mere mortal a god in your heart you are incapable to see the deception that is right before your eyes. IF THE GOSPEL IS VEILED IT IS VEIDLED TO THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING WHOSE MIND THE god OF THIS WORLD(satin) HAS BLINDED LEST THE GLORIOUS LIGHT OF CHRIST JESUS SHOULD SHINE ON THEM. sorry lot of mispeeling in the first two comments

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  109. Stylishly Yours says:

    His name is Tyler the Creator… nuff said. I’m afraid for these people… hope they enjoy this while it lasts.

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  110. i still don’t get why islam related topics are discussed here , are you christians jealous ? LOL die haters

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    • Honestly? What about Islam should I be jealous about? The salvation is works based, and true peace and happiness can only be bought with one’s own blood. The “Last Prophet” was a drunk, a drug addict and an adulterer prior to his “great revelation,” and he went back to the place that threw him out and slaughtered everyone there with the followers of his cult. The most generous believers in Islam agree that half of the Q’ran is archaic, and the most fringe and extreme believers want to plunge the world into chaotic war to usher in the Twelfth Imam… Because he won’t come back until a third of the global population is dead and a third diseased.

      Not much there to covet.

      That said- Long life to you.

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  111. In all honesty, as both a believer in God and a good deal of Christian principles and beliefs (but not all) and a large Odd Future fan, I would have expected this to be a lot messier. Kudos to everyone who had tried to maintain a sense of… er… civility, I suppose. There’s been a lot of good points made, and I’ve enjoyed reading the back and forth. (I apologize for anything I say that doesn’t make sense, or sounds off, as I am tired and generally not the sharpest tool in the shed).

    First, a bit about myself, since with most things in life it is hard to understand someone’s opinion without knowing where they come from. I’ve spent a good deal of my life going to church, and have enjoyed and not enjoyed many of these experiences. When I was very young, I attended daycare at a church and grew to love everyone there: wonderful people, very kind. However, as I grew older, I became slightly discontent with the idea of religion when I learned more about the world, and began to question it. Why are so many terrible acts committed in God’s name? Why are people who are gay considered evil? And the like. I became more disillusioned as I grew up, and while in high school I considered myself Atheist at some points.

    The main issue I have with religion is hypocrisy, and the way it is not questioned. I try to maintain some semblance of logic in my life, and when I add up a good deal of current mainstream Christian belief, it simply doesn’t make sense to me. Why should I follow the Bible, if it was clearly written by man? Man’s fingerprints are all over it, man has transformed it over time and it has been translated badly over time, and it was written by men, even if they were holy men, in a time when many terrible ideas about the treatment of women and other peoples existed. I won’t run down listing my other issues, but suffice it to say I prefer a more personal faith and personal connection with God than organized religion, or listening to what other people say. Children should be raised to understand what is said of God, and other religions, and science, and everything else.

    One of my inherent issues with modern Christianity is its reliance on attempted brainwashing (similar to what the original post says of Odd Future) early on in a child’s life: Baptism before you can speak, making things clearly write and wrong, and threatening burning pain and an eternal existence of damnation at the first sign of disobeyment and questioning. Children should be shown the world in its entirety and then allowed to make THEIR decision. And that’s the biggest issue with most religion: in an attempt to be all-encompassing and easier to spread, it is made forceful and demanding.

    I could go on and on, but the point is I have major issues with current religion (as obviously does Tyler), and actually get quite angry at it because rather than give me options and make me seek answers, it led to me being hesitant and afraid to embrace the idea of God and consider him and speak openly with him. I still have a rocky relationship with God to this day because of many things religion and religious people have done on this planet. Yes, that include Muslims, Jews, whatever: all religions focusing on a all powerful deity run into the same constant issues on earth, sadly.

    Moving on, one of the main (and best, despite the fact that it gets trounced and violated every other moment) tenants of America is the 1st Amendment, because it allows us to have this discussion, rather than have one of us hung, set on fire, or shot for being “wrong”. Both sides in this comment chain (the sides in this case being Odd Future fans and people of a religious ilk) have proven WHY this free-speech is necessary, as many on both sides clearly don’t want the other side to have the ability to speak. First lesson about freedom: most people only want it for themselves, and wish others didn’t have it. Many in the US still don’t have it, and never will.

    Tyler and Odd Future are a very, very complicated mess of a group to analyze, so I’ll start with him first and branch out a bit as I go. I will spend most of this post trying to explain to the Christian base here exactly what Tyler is trying to do with his music (as far as I can tell), as it can be hard to do so, as I just mentioned.

    To begin with, Tyler is someone who does not tell you what he means to your face, and when he does you don’t expect it to such a degree that you just ignore it and assume he’s joking. At his core, he is someone of a great many contradictions, and these are what make me (along with his excellent ear for beats and greater musicality compared to a good number of other rappers) interested in him and want to listen to him. He is very much so a think-tank, and I think it’s safe to say that much of his music is both him trying to come to his own conclusions, and him throwing his listeners along for the ride.

    He often advises to look deeper than the music, and that is the first reason why it is fairly absurd to call him a Satanist: it’s too easy. Just as Tyler’s music would have you believe he is a violent monster, a rapist, and homophobic (while he is in person a very amusing an immature kid who loves to smile, has never -or has never come close to being proven as having-raped anyone, and frequently calls Frank Ocean, who recently came out of the closet to some degree, his big brother and also is friends with a lesbian), it would lead anyone to think, “Wow, this guy loves Satan.”

    In almost all of Tyler’s music, he advises people, as I said before, to look deeper than what is present, and that is done so very purposefully. Odd Future is built upon the idea of inclusion based on exclusion. Many would say that OF wants to exclude people, but in their eyes they were the ones excluded. Tyler often mentions his father and his hatred for him, but if you dig deeper, his anger at that goes beyond simply his dad getting his mom pregnant and then bolting. As you go deep into his music, you see references again and again to how people said he wouldn’t make it:

    “Cops say I’m supposed to be in jail but they don’t know it’s me
    Statistics say that niggas with no father ain’t going to be shit”

    From his birth, he was already considered a failure, already considered to be a waste of time. You can see the shell grow, see how he began to realize that everyone in his life didn’t think he really had a shot: they gave enough of a damn to write an article about how black kids without dads don’t go anywhere, but where were they to fill that hole? No. Where. You see this idea of being rejected from society in much of his music, if hidden:

    “This is for the niggers in the suburbs
    And the white kids with nigger friends who say the n-word
    And the ones that got called weird, fag, bitch, nerd
    Cause you was into jazz, kitty cats, and Steven Spielberg”

    Odd Future is, at its core, about coming together over differences and overcoming perceptions placed upon them. While many people latch onto their feelings, and let them eat them up, when people call them slurs, and terrible names, Tyler embraces them and uses them. Rather than let them affect you, he is saying that you should rise above them, that you should spit on labels and do whatever makes you happy.

    Tyler uses terrible words and concepts for many reasons: A, it is for shock value, he wants to draw people in. B, it is to exclude people who he knows won’t “get” it. Tyler WANTS people to hate him, he wants it to justify that telling Christians, and Police, and other large groups in society to screw off is alright, since they tried to attack and hold him down. C, it’s a manifestation of the evil he does feel inside him. Rather than let it sit there and rot, he actively decides to turn his darkest moments into a reality of sorts: much like he reduces language that could be aimed at him and his friends to mere words by using it himself, he is reducing these images by discussing them and trying to come to terms with why he has them.

    And, D, many others reasons. I spend a lot of time thinking about OF because their culture and music is fascinating, and it bothers me that people are so quickly to apply labels to it. I understand why many have issues listening to it, but if you are unable to do so and to do so to a decent degree, you won’t get the experience, or begin to piece together why they are the way they are and why they do the things they do. Some of my points may be incorrect in fact, but the major idea, that OF is more than they appear, stands.

    Now, a core concept behind Tyler and OF is the idea of desensitization: the Future is Odd because there is so much in the world like rape, like murder, like countless other atrocities, and they were exposed to this on the Channel Five newscast, and in video games, and in history. Rather than actually explaining things, society opted to censor, to not explain, to try to call things evil rather than to say what caused them to occur. As with Adam and Even (the stupidest story of all time, in my opinion), if you dangle the apple in someone’s face, and then tell them it’s bad without EXPLAINING WHY, then of course they’re going to take a bite!

    And now, we finally come to OF’s obsession with and treatment of religious ideas. The basic explanation is that they, for the most part, think religion is full of crap and get a rise ticking other people off about it. Ironically, the core tenant of OF really is “Judge not”: even as they ridicule you, joke about you, and anger you, they don’t hate you, for do they want you to die. Tyler has said that he’s an Atheist, but that he has no problem with Christians or Christianity. They believe in letting people do their own thing:

    “I’m not saying to go out and do some stupid shit, commit crimes
    What I’m trying to tell you is, do what the fuck you want
    Stand for what the fuck you believe in, and don’t let nobody tell you can’t do what the fuck you want
    I’m a fucking unicorn, and fuck anybody who say I’m not. Wolf Gang”

    For OF, the golden rule stands: they don’t care if you say they deserve to burn in hell, call them out, etc. It’s very hard for someone who doesn’t care what you call them or the way that you talk about their music (they’ve gotten used to it, consider it BS, and have moved on) and such to honestly say “I’m sorry if this offends you.” In their honest opinion (and mine, to be frank) the concept of blasphemy is ridiculous, as you can’t expect someone who doesn’t believe the same thing you do to restrain from going about things that fall under than thing the same. You can’t make your own rules and then ask other people to follow them because you said so.

    This is hard concept for truly religious people to get (which I understand), as if you believe with all your heart that something is right, then obviously someone making fun of that or belittling it is terribly wrong. But, you must respect that someone else has other views, and in this case respect that those other views can include mocking your own. This isn’t something that happens to religion exclusively, but it hurts a lot more in that instance than over something like which brand of sofas are better, obviously: more is at stake. Still, mocking a religion is much less dangerous and much less evil than murdering people for it, using it as a means to be a pedophile, or using it to brainwash an entire continent (the Dark Ages were just pathetic).

    OF speaks of evil things, but it’s clear they have ulterior motives for doing so rather than actually believing in and worshiping Satan. It’s kind of hard to do that when you are an Atheist, as Tyler is. There is plenty other discussion you can engage in about the validity of OF: whether or not their use of shock value is detrimental to their music, discussions about Tyler’s overall goals and mindset, whether or not their fanbase can resemble a cult. But, at the end, Tyler states it clear: “Do whatever makes you happy. Look deeper than the music.” He doesn’t want people to imitate him for the sake of it, which is more or less the idea behind a cult. He wants to share a story, wants to make money doing so, wants to make music, and wants to do whatever makes him happy.

    I understand some religious circles despise pleasure and happiness (I’m arranging at somepoint in the future to go to a black church, because they look like a really, really fun time, which is what I’d like out of my organized religion: a celebration of what we have and what we’ve been given, rather than why we’re probably going to burn in hell), which would make his actions “Satanistic”, and if you wish to go off the Bible, that is how you will view it.

    But, from my perspective and experience, there are many groups much more obsessed with evil, and much more effective in spreading it. OF is inclusive, allows other to go as they please, and tries to tell their fans to act as such, and do what they wish. Regardless of what that is, we’ve been given free-choice for a reason, and in their case they’ve decided to make music that appeals to them and satirizes and makes fun of the things about the world they hate, and they appear to be successful in doing so.

    If that’s what they want, good for them, and we’ll see on the other side whether or not it was a good decision. I don’t necessarily agree with everything they do, though I believe them to be very, very, very important in the music industry based on their willingness to make art for arts’ sake and not hold it back based on what will sell or what others want to hear.

    I’m definitely not a perfect person, this post had a boatload of flaws, and I expect someone will rip through it at some point. My point was to try to give my opinion, and then try to explain what I believe some of OF’s opinions to be. I probably failed in numerous ways in each regard, and for that I apologize to Tyler and the Wolf Gang, as I hate putting words in peoples’ mouths. Which, sadly, this argument seems to require.

    I wish a lot of people in this thread could meet Tyler, and just spend time with him, or at least would look up a video of him just hanging with his friends; you won’t see a bunch of satanist, or monsters, or rapists, but a bunch of misfits that decided they were tired of the world’s crap and wanted to have fun and do their own thing. You’d see a big-eared kid who clearly has some issues, but tries like all of us to succeed, and has a huge smile and watches Cartoon Network all the time. OF is nuts, crazy, blasphemous, angry, and flawed. But, honestly? I don’t think they’re evil, and I hope God doesn’t either. There are a lot of creepier and worse people on this earth and that have been on this earth than Tyler, who have done much worse than make songs with the number 666 in them. Wall of text done, I’m going to sleep. God Bless and Wolf Gang.

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    • Viper, that was an excellent and well thought out post. I’m sure BaE will be censoring the profanity, but I hope the whole post remains, as it is an excellent insight.

      I grew up within a church that condemned professional wrestling as being an activity that brought on the flood- Not THE activity, but one of. One wrestler that was absolutely renounced as being the worst of the bunch was Mark Calaway, also known as The Undertaker. Later on in life, I got the chance to meet and spend time with Mark. He is an absolutely wonderful man, very kind and gentle.

      This said to make the point that I do my best not to judge. I’ve been judged in my past, and given reason to be so- With that said, there’s something to Tupac’s “Only God can judge me.” As a human, however, I am just as prone to doing so as anyone else. I find the best cure for my personal judgmental attitude is to meet with people in the situation: In this case, it would be meeting with Tyler. Though I’ve not judged him, and based all of my comments on the responses of others as opposed to personal opinion, I can see where it may be easy to do.

      So, again- Thank you for your post, Viper.

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      • Thank you, I appreciated how you’ve been one of the people I mentioned who have kept the conversation civil. Also, I really do apologize for the swearing and profanity; I tried not to use any myself, and actually assumed that it was automatically censored. I would have edited it out and replaced the full words with dashes if I had known, because Odd Future certainly applies a liberal amount of profanity (something that can be grating, to be frank, even with someone like me who is used to hearing it).

        And thank you for the praise. I kind of ended up ranting because Odd Future is as I mentioned really hard to describe. I’ve similarly gone through experiences in my life where I saw people judged without basis, and as such have tried to refrain from doing so as I’ve lived. Like I said, I have issues with a good deal of religion, but the concept of “Judge Not” is one I find very practical and beneficial to the world.

        I wanted to type this up as both an Odd Future fan and someone who believes in a higher power because I can understand how it would be very, very difficult for someone devoted to a religion to try to go through Odd Future’s music, as much of it is very disturbing and hard to stomach. I couldn’t make it through Tyler’s second album, Goblin, for a few months: I stopped halfway because his raspy voice and growl were flat out disturbing. Some of it possibly came out as me agreeing with and justifying him, which I do in the latter case since he operates within the 1st Amendment, but not so much in the prior in all instances, because he and the group do plenty that still makes me queasy.

        In the end though, as you said, I don’t judge him, but am fascinated by him and would like to meet him. True to his moniker, he is a very odd individual, and as shown by my prior post, I like hearing both sides of a story. Once again, I apologize for the swearing, I’ll see if I can go back and edit it though I’m not sure that’s possible, and thank you for the reply.

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    • Hi Viper,

      Thanks very much for your thoughtful and well-written comments. As you may have guessed I respectfully disagree with much of what you wrote. Rather than try to go through Tyler’s lyrics and debate their meaning I wanted to raise just a few points that I think stand out to me even more.

      1. Devotion — You describe yourself as someone who grew up in church but then got disillusioned as you got older. And you seem to be an extremely devoted Odd Future fan. I question, how does the time you sent reading and studying the Bible during your Christian years compare to the time you have spent listening to Tyler’s music and reading about him? From what I can see in your post it seems like you have spent exponentially far more time studying Odd Future. You boast an incredibly intimate-level of knowledge of them but show no similar understanding with respect to Christianity, the Bible or Jesus Christ. Yet you present your opinions as if you have equal knowledge of both. Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like you have really given God the short end of the stick when it comes to getting to know and understand Him than you have to Tyler who you seem to sympathize with on multiple levels.

      2. Skeptic’s Fallacy – You also, like many other people who seek to discredit Christianity, seem to employing the Skeptic’s Fallacy – namely, when someone criticizes Christianity, that skeptic is given 100% credibility, and the audience (you) never questions the integrity or honesty of the skeptic (in this case Tyler and OF). You relay all of Tyler’s statements about himself with 100% belief, despite the fact that he is an entertainer. Entertainment, particularly rappers, are built on persona, not personality. Rappers make millions to portray lifestyles they have never experienced and give off an image that was “created” in an executive office. All the while screaming at the top of their lungs about how “real” they are. To quote Tony Yayo, who I am sure you would consider an expert in rapping, “rap is like wrestling, everything is fake.” It is stunning to me that many people still think that when an artist does an interview that they have not been coached, scripted and spoon fed their “image” and persona, even the more rebellious ones. Do you think it’s even possible that Tyler is just lying about his feelings because he has to sell the Odd Future brand and maintain for it for his fans? You question the Bible’s integrity on the sole basis that is has “man’s hands all over it.” So does Tyler’s career, lifestyle, music and public persona. So shouldn’t his integrity be questioned as well? Does that even seem like a remote possibility?

      3. Moral Inconsistency — You stated: “In their honest opinion (and mine, to be frank) the concept of blasphemy is ridiculous, as you can’t expect someone who doesn’t believe the same thing you do to restrain from going about things that fall under than thing the same”

      This really stood out to me considering your first and main objection to Christianity as you grew older was “why are gays evil?” You demand an explanation from Christianity but when Odd Future chose to share their feelings on Christianity or God, your thought is they owe no apology whatsoever because they do not acknowledge Christianity as valid. I can’t understand how you can belief both these ideas. It seems that you are willing to make enormous exceptions and concessions for Odd Future that you do not make for Christianity.

      4. Authority — You say that you believe in God and “Christian principles.” By your spiritual beliefs, how does your God view you listening to Odd Future’s music? What is your basis for your God’s moral rules?

      I do hope that you consider these questions and points. I don’t think you have given Christianity a fair shake at all and have adopted most of the general skeptic arguments without taking the time to get to know Jesus Christ as you have Tyler. Even though the stakes when it comes to your faith are for more critical. Which leads to the most important question: what do you think will happen you when you die? There’s no point in dancing around the main issue in the room. I look forward to continuing this discussion with you.

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      • 1. I became distant with organized religion and churches, but I don’t think so much with as God. Even when I claimed to be an Atheist, it was always with hesitation: I believe that there’s a definite sense of spirituality in the world, and that it is God. My overall belief is that there is a God who wants us to grow and better ourselves by surveying the world around us and learning from it. It’s similar to the concept of a beginner learning chess: you could have a grandmaster chess player whisper in your ear how to win, and defeat your opponent, or you could take your time learning from experience. The quick way is rarely the better way, and I believe that God wants us to spend much of our lives learning and growing so that we truly feel emboldened by our eventual decisions.

        And so, I believe it is necessary and beneficial for me to study the world at whole. And while I have studied Odd Future, I disagree that I have done so more. I was born into a Christian society, and at no point in my life have I lived in a non-Christian society. I have spent many hours in church, I have read a decent amount of the Bible, skimmed through other parts, and have read many interpretations of it and discussion related to it, and have privately thought over and over and over again about religion and God as what it all means to me. I’m fairly positive I have spent more time thinking about religion and being involved in things related to religion than I have anything else.

        I feel comfortable talking about both Odd Future and Christianity because I have spent a lot of time researching both (though as I’ve said, much more the latter than the former). If anything, I need to spend more time exploring the ideas present in other religions, so I can discuss them to a greater degree (I’ve been meaning to read through Muslim and Jewish texts for awhile now, and also need to do more work with Buddhism).

        Finally, while I am a fan of Odd Future, I wouldn’t call myself devoted to them. I appreciate their art and the way they make it, I appreciate their unique way of doing things, but I do have many disagreements with the way they handle things at times (too much shock value, too many grotesque things involving women). I do agree with some of their views or what they claim to be their views, but also disagree with many. This one lyric from Sandwiches from Hodgy Beats comes to mind:

        “You told me God was the answer
        When I ask him for shit, I get no answer, so God is the cancer”

        Hating God because he won’t give you things is like saying you hate your parents because they won’t give you ice-cream: stupid. I view OF as a think-tank, because what they say inspires me to think deep and try to justify my own views and ideals. And Odd Future song has never made me think, “Man, I really should rape someone tonight,” but one has made me think, “Why do people rape? How can someone do it so carelessly and freely?” Odd Future has my respect as an artistic group because they touch upon issues no one else does from a hard-hitting perspective that no one else uses. Hard to listen to, but can be very intellectually beneficial.
        2. Let me be clear, as I’ve said before (and if I haven’t then I definitely meant to) everything OF (and especially Tyler) says needs to be taken for granted. They often admit to doing things for the heck of it, which off the bat let’s you know you need to be skeptical about the meaning they are going toward. From my perspective, their questions are often hidden, and their “answers” are often questions in disguise. That’s why they’re such a headache to analyze, they try to be murky rather than clear.

        When I posted my interpretation of Tyler’s and OF’s beliefs and the viewpoints behind their music, I was trying to be a vessel for those ideas rather than someone guaranteeing their quality. I don’t state them as fact, I state them as conclusions I have garnered while listening to their music and interviews and the like. Here, obviously, there are two (probably more) reasons to be skeptical: their meanings and intentions in the first place could be as you said false, and I could have done a terrible job analyzing them. Much skepticism is needed.

        However, with Odd Future, I think it’s fairly clear that they are very art-based, and that they’re focus is on their art; they are musically talented enough that they could make much more money and be much more successful if they “sold out” so to speak, because as it stands they have built themselves up from nothing and have not been molded by and executive or something of that ilk. Obviously there personas are manufactured (Tyler writes from several different characters, and it’s clear – well, kind of – that he doesn’t actually have multiple personalities), but I don’t think that’s so much diminishing the art as finding ways to expand it and cover more ground. The sign of a great artist is the ability to write beyond yourself, and while in some cases OF fails to do that, in others they succeed in doing so.
        Considering what I’ve seen from them, I’d say they are very real as far as entertainer’s go, but of course what must remain skeptic. One of my favorite artists who was also mentioned in the comments, Kanye West, validates his belief in his art in my eyes by doing literally whatever he thinks he should be doing: after his third album, Graduation, that was by far his most radio friendly and poppish, he went out of left field and made an album about heartbreak that used much auto-tune and had very little rapping. Which, despite being a completely baffling move for his career, was what he wanted to do as an artist.

        Similarly, he just released a fashion line that was critically smashed, and that it made little sense to release in the first place: if he is a successful musician, he should have stayed in music, as the story would go. As someone who loves art I try to find artists who believe in their art and try to make what they want to make, and this is one of the things I appreciate about Odd Future. They run their own label, and seem content to keep making their brand of music regardless of its inability to get played on the radio, is what they want to do.

        The difference for me with the Bible is that it’s not an album maybe a million people at most will listen to, and it has a vastly different function: it is a book that has been read by over a billion (and many more than that) people, and that has influenced many of them. My issue with it is that it is man’s writing being used as God’s word, which I don’t agree with in the slightest. Interpretations as to what God’s word is are meaningful and should be written and explored, but claiming something written by man then altered by man as God’s word is in my eyes very dangerous manipulation. At no point will Tyler tell you, “My album is like the Bible, you should do everything like I do in it”, for obvious reasons. It’s supposed to be a thinkpiece, and in my opinion the Bible should be viewed as such as well. To be read, understood, and then questioned: I’ve learned a lot from both.

        And just as I have not read every part of the Bible, I have not listened to every part of Odd Future’s Discography. You get to the point where you need to extrapolate the larger ideas, but then also view thoughts with skepticism. My original post did show more skepticism to religion than Odd Future, but this is also due to the stakes at hand. If I don’t listen to Golbin, Tyler is not going to come to my house and shoot me. However, many will tell me that if I don’t follow a certain code and set of actions, that I will burn in hell. An album made by a kid in California is less weighty than a religious text that well more than half of the world is aware of. I’m skeptical of both, but one needs to be questioned more.

        3. To begin, I horrible butchered whatever what I was trying to say, even if the meaning came out somewhat correctly. So, let me revise it: “In their honest opinion (and mine, to be frank) the concept of blasphemy is ridiculous, as you can’t expect someone who doesn’t believe in the same idea that you do to restrain from acting and living in a way that is opposed to your own.” Obviously, this is true in most cases lest they be extreme: Odd Future making disturbing and blasphemous music is not the same as people murdering someone because they believe murder to be okay. Moving on:

        “It seems that you are willing to make enormous exceptions and concessions for Odd Future that you do not make for Christianity.” Yes, I am, though I admit I fear I might be missing or not understanding your point, and if I am I apologize. But from what I understand, you’re saying that Odd Future should not have a right to be blasphemous if I say that Christianity should not have a right to do (or believe in) something that I (discriminate against LGBT people in this case) disagree with.

        The difference is that I don’t see Odd Future being a religious group (though as I mentioned I do wonder if they have some cultish traits), seeing as many of them are Atheists. There’s an inherent difference between what a music collective from Los Angeles says about religion than what an ancient and wide-spread religion says about religion. Once again, I don’t demand an explanation from Odd Future because they aren’t going to require my input or my actions as a demand of their ideas.

        When I listen to an Odd Future song, by the end of it they are not entitled to receive anything from me as a result. In comparison, if I read certain sections of Christian religious texts, they would inform me that if I were gay (which I am not, but as a hypothetical) I would go to hell. There is a large, large difference there. When I understand a religion and a religious doctrine, when I understand WHAT God wants of me, it is implied that I need to do that to the best of my ability. That is not the case with art, and Odd Future in this case. I could listen or to listen to their ideas and adapt them to my own, or act out their fantasies (the idea of kids doing this scares the heck out of me), but in accordance to them it would mean nothing. To God, my actions do matter, and for that reason I need to find out what he wants me to do and then act as such.

        4. I think that if I am listening to Odd Future’s music to try to understand them so that I improve myself intellectually and grow as a person, that God would not judge me or dislike that action. That’s a very big difference from listening to it because I want to indulge in a rape fantasy (no interest, I do not get aroused listening to Odd Future’s music, I’m happy and thankful to say) than because I am interested in what Tyler has to say and how he came to be the way he is.

        As I said, I base my ideas for God’s moral rules from what I can see from the world he has created, and from talking to him. My faith was reaffirmed when after talking to God he would give me signs of his existence. I don’t think anything is more beneficial than speaking with God himself and openly saying “I’m just a small human on this earth, and looking around I honestly don’t know what to do with myself. May I speak with you in the hopes of discovery?”

        One of the most detestable elements of religion that has popped up through the years is the attempt at limiting knowledge, and trying to censor and burn rather than explain and refute. WHY does Tyler speak blasphemously? WHY does he talk about rape? WHY do people love people of the same sex? WHY do I have the urge to do this, and that, and the other thing? If we did not question, we would have always ran away from fire rather than use it to heat ourselves, if we did not question, we would have always cursed the lightning rather than use it to give us light when the sun sets, it we did not question, no one would have sailed to the US because of fear that the damn world was flat, and if we did not question, women would still be treated like slaves.
        Tyler asks WHY did my father leave me? He asks WHY do I have dark thoughts? He asks WHY did the world decide that I would be nothing before I could even walk? But rather than answer him, or try to, or think of it, it is easier to want him to be silenced, because the way he asks is with anger and with venom and with cynicism.

        I am a simple human being, and in the end my answers may be wrong, and I may not even come to answers I can understand. But I believe that God wants us to learn, and to question, and to grow, or else he would come down from the heavens everyday and tell us explicitly. As a human I try to do what I think God would consider right: I try to support people, I try to help people who I know have issues, I try to make where I am a better place. I try to make people laugh.

        For all the world’s flaws, most of them are of our own design, and we should also enjoy it and love it. I try to enjoy my life, I try to do things that make me happy, and I try to make the things that make me happy the things that make other people happy. If there is anything I need to do, it is to talk to God more, earnestly and fondly. I don’t believe that God hates me for questioning him or questioning the world, and I don’t believe he hates Tyler for being angry and for making art that addresses evil and at times seems to glorify it. I believe that God loves, and that he wants us to happy, and that he forgives.

        I don’t know Tyler; I may never meet him, and sadly we human beings put up wall after wall trying to keep each other from really knowing who we are. We’re too afraid of our flaws, and that’s one of the reasons I do respect and even admire him: he is willing to say what his flaws are time and time again, and put himself out in the public eye to be decimated for them.

        I have given Christianity a fair shake, and when I found it actually was hurting my relationship with God, I cut myself from it and allowed myself to explore and question. Which at first made me more unsure, but then led me to realize the truth in God’s existence, and many truths of our world. I could be wrong, and I don’t understand a whoooooolllle lot, but I believe God, above all, wants us to try: to not sit down and lament the world as I’ve often done, to not give up, but to do what we think is right and what would make him proud.

        So, for that reason, thank you for writing this article, because it led to me solidifying a few things and reminded me I need to talk with God more. I’m not sure what is after life, honestly, and I’m okay with that. I think of just as much importance is what I leave behind… I want to leave the world better than before I came, and I hope I do. Based on the world, I think a number of different after-lives are possible: a heaven and hell, perhaps earth is hell and then heaven, or even just earth. If I don’t exist after this, I wouldn’t really mind, I would have been blessed to exist in the first place.

        I just think honestly that we aren’t able to comprehend God and what he plans to do with us fully, and that’s fine; that’s why we ask the question and talk with him, to figure it out as best we can, and do live well as best we can.

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      • Sorry, the first part somehow got cut out, this was supposed to be on top:

        Sigh. Well, halfway through writing my reply I accidentally deleted it. I’ll try again (this is probably a good thing, I can consolidate more).

        Thank you for the intelligent response, you brought up many of the places where I wasn’t clear and where I didn’t explain myself well enough. I’ll address your points in a numbered fashion as well.

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  112. wolf gang 27:
    Idont know what you said but your profile pic looks gay RETS

    Hey, no problem. I can use smaller words so you’ll be sure to understand.

    You say something like “Christians are idiots,” and “quite crying,” but you attach it as a response to someone who basically said the same thing.

    Definition of an idiot: “A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers.”

    Neither of you give proof of your accusation- Adults understand accusations made without evidence are rejected.
    Neither of you seem capable of grammar or punctuation- Adults may make mistakes now and again, but generally manage to place some punctuation properly, to say nothing of keeping basic grammatical structure.
    Both of you, in not giving any evidence, committed one of the greatest and most common of mistakes- Once again, showing yourselves incapable of avoiding common dangers.

    So… Who, exactly, is the “idiot?”

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    • wolf gang 27 says:

      I’m pretty sure I didn’t say ‘Christians are idiots.’I did say “quit crying” because they say ‘ Tyler worships the devil,” when he doesn’t. Now there is a big commotion that he does. Outsiders that dont take time to look deeper into his song’s are misguided and the first thing that they hear or see about him, they take it to think that’s what he’s all about. Take time to look and see them. that’s what I ment… idiot Haha
      WOLF GANG

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      • wolf gang 27 says:

        the “idiot” is people who don’t look deeper into the box of OFWGKTA .

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        • If that’s what you meant, amigo, then say what you mean.

          Since this post, I did go ahead and give a thorough look into the work of Tyler. What I found was a kid who’s talented, artistic and creative- Also someone who is disturbed, bordering on narcissistic, and who is showing the early signs of megalomania.

          Strictly speaking, Tyler IS a Satanist- But by definition alone. Satanists are not the virgin sacrificing, soul selling, blood letting boogeymen many people make them out to be; most of the time, those folks are thinking of Lucifarians. Satanists, by definition, are atheists who hold Lucifer up as a role model for humanity. They believe that the Biblical account of Lucifer is a myth which grew around a human person, who did everyone in the world a favor by rejecting all semblance of religion.

          So- Quite honestly, I have done my research. The only thing I’ve not yet done is meet him personally, though I look forward to the opportunity to do so.

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          • wolf gang 27 says:

            8

            wolf gang 27:
            Did I mention I dont care? Anyway, thanks for the tacos.
            WOLF GANG

            </blockqn. Yes I remember he said he looked up to satian. But that's where ithink where people get mixed up with soul selling type.

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  113. wolf gang 27:
    Did I mention I dont care? Anyway, thanks for the tacos.
    WOLF GANG

    Obviously you don’t. You’ve embodied all of the negative aspects of OFWG without taking to heart their actual intents.

    In other words…

    You are not worthy of calling yourself Wolf Gang.

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    • wolf gang 27 says:

      wolf gang 27:
      Idont know what you said but your profile pic looks gay RETS

      RETS: Obviously you don’t.You’ve embodied all of the negative aspects of OFWG without taking to heart their actual intents.

      In other words…

      You are not worthy of calling yourself Wolf Gang.I

      you have no judgement of that. Do you? No. Just by those little words I said you think I ‘embodied’ the bad aspect of OF when really .. I didn’t. Its summer, Idont care about the meaning of ‘it’s’ haha.

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      • What little you said was all that was needed to show that you have an absolute and utter disrespect for anyone with a difference of opinion.

        Honestly, you strike me as a middle school kid- Which is fine, because it better explains and even justifies to some degree that immaturity.

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  114. ignorance is bliss!Lack of knowledge results in happiness.
    Sometimes you are more comfortable if you don’t know something. you think its all a big joke – He will reap what He sowed – and HE never forgets what he owns. This world (for now )is his and we are all dancing on his palms.

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  115. isnt it ironic that the bible pretty much says that
    basically there will be a time when satan will become a trend
    and here you guys are saying stuff like

    Uh, f– church, they singing and the s— ain’t even worth it
    In the choir, whores and liars, scumbags and the dirt..”

    “Triple six is my number, you can get it off my Tumblr”
    “Jesus called, he said he’s sick of the disses

    you guys are funny cause even when the truth is in your eyes
    you guys deny it. its like you guys are in denial just a lil bit cause you
    know theres some truth
    now weather you believe in god or not
    if your smart you can put two and two together and
    see that you guys are worshiping satan or idolizing someone that
    worships satan
    and to all yall that say tyler the creator is said he an anthiest
    when i was growing up i was raised when you do one thing and say another
    its called a lie so when he says he an anthiest and but paints upside down crosses and
    666 and other SATANIC this im pretty sure he lying he is human
    oh i forgot hes perfect in you guys eyes

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  116. Odd Future doesnt preach that they state multiple times that they dont worship the devil or anything like that. Typer even says in goblin “Isnt that a triple 3 6 isnt he a devil worshiper because im too fuckin ignorant to do some duckin research?” and in another song (the title escapes me at the monent) “im a rapper not a rapist nor a racist”

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    • I’m having trouble understanding how one person’s claims to the contrary have any bearing on their message, actions and overall lifestyle. I know so-called Christians who are about as Christian as the mildew in my shower.

      So, with that being said- Does Tyler even know what a Satanist really is? Do you?

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      • Felix:
        Have fun burning eternally in Hell

        Explain To Me Dear, What Is A Satanist ?

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        • Based entirely upon the creed of the two major satanic churches, they are little more than atheists who hold the “myth” of Lucifer’s fall up as being the ultimate example of humankind throwing off the shackles of superstition, religious myth and oppression; the “worship” satan as a role model for humanity- The only enlightenment humans will see, according to them, comes when religion is no more.

          A satanist is an atheist with trimmings. A lucifarian, on the other hand, is what most people are thinking of when the term “satanist” is used.

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  117. Christian b–g bout ofwgkta triple six crew n—

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  118. nailmetowood and call me GOD666 says:

    You stupid people don’t understand the reason he uses such “offensive” matieral is so freaks like you who obsess about sht like this post articles like this only blowing up his fame. You are idiots people laugh at just the image of people like you getting offended by this s—. Who cares keep raising your childreb to be spinless hypocrites

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    • Well, that’s about the same as drugging the punch for the attention it’ll get you… Forget the fact that it could cause harm later on.

      Speaking of “stupid people” and “idiots,” you realize that you missed vital punctuation in your post, right? Not to mention the simple spelling mistakes…

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    • So Tyler does this for fame or because he is trying to show he is critical of religion? Because you OF devotees seem to say both? Which is it? I’m honored to think that Odd Future sits in their producer’s corporate offices where they make their image and think of sites like these but somehow I really doubt that is the case.

      I also wonder why it’s okay for Tyler to be offensive, but you are now offended since this article criticizes him??

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  119. OFsharkcat says:

    This post is shortsighted and bias. Noone in odd future worships the devil. When he says these “profane things” he isn’t proclaiming it as his own believes. When he wrights a song he puts himself in the position of someone else’s head and raps as them. Its ,in my opinion, art ,grant it its vulgar, and he has a right to express himself. for instance wolf Haley is what Tyler sees as a more insane yet cooler version of himself. Wolf is a nickname he always wanted to be called and Haley is his mothers last name as apposed to okonma which is his father’s who left him. In tron cat he’s not saying he wants to kill and rape people he’s placing himself in the mind of a serial killer. Hes a pretty cool guy and if you watch some interviews his whole outlook on things is pretty unique and instead of critisizing him we should appreciate him so lay of proclaiming all of these outlandish things that aren’t true and jumping to conclusions.and ignore all of the bandwagoners who are all f this f that flog gnaw!!! Their what will ruin this group.

    Wolfgang4lyfe :]

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  120. TheMedian says:

    I would like to offer my opinion on this dead topic because I feel that you all could gain something from it. I will not reveal my age or religion to you simply because that will change the way you think about my input.

    I want you all to look up the LA Leakers interview with Frank Ocean and Tyler, the Creator.
    Look at how they react to each other. They bash each other pretty hard, just like most of the people who have commented here.
    The difference is that here, most comments are rude and hateful.
    These two men are obviously close friends, and take friendly shots at each other (one that made me laugh was “You ate out JD”)

    I find it odd that Frank, a devout Christian, can get along with Tyler so well even though their religious views clash.

    It makes me sick.

    If they can get along so well despite their opposing beliefs, why can’t everyone else? There is no need to hate someone or shun them and their opinions simply because you disagree with their message, and these two stars are a perfect example of how well we could learn to get along with each other if we didn’t take ignorant stabs at each others’ beliefs.

    To quote RETS, “Just some food for thought”

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  121. i love these guys! fuck jesus! hail satan!

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  122. peter temple:
    How dare you say Catholic Christianity is not based on the Bible? Every homily (sermon) at every Mass is a close reading of an extract from the Bible. Catholicism is completely Christ-centred. And please don’t sing me the old song about pedophile priests. They are an embarrassment to the church just as corrupt politicians are an embarrassment to their party and/or country. There are failures in all walks of life. But the central message of Catholicism is right out of the Bible. OK?

    I believe, Peter, that Anthony is referring to several different aspects of Catholicism- Aspects which I’ve seen called out before by others. I personally have nothing wrong with Catholics, though I do take exception with the church structure and leadership in general.

    The aspects he may have been talking about:

    — Priestly celibacy- It is not Biblical. I know all the arguments, my friend, but when it comes down to it, there is nothing within the Bible to support tens of thousands of men and women vowing celibacy when they are burning with passion.

    — Prayers to saints- I studied how this phenomenon came about, and it’s quite interesting. Regardless, this is based on a verbal tradition, and does not have any Scriptural backing, (especially in the manner it is currently taking place.)

    — References to Mary, the mother of Christ- The Catholic Church has in the past referred to Mary as the “Queen of Heaven,” as the “Celestial Virgin,” and so on. None of these have any support Biblically.

    — The doctrine that the Virgin Mary was a virgin till death- Again, this has no Scriptural backing. Aside from it going against God’s very first command to humanity; and aside from it going against Jewish Law (which stated that spouses had certain obligations to one another); the Bible clearly states that Christ had brothers and sisters- Thus the reason for His contrasting who His “real” siblings were. Moreover, James was the legitimate brother of Christ, born of Mary.

    — The lifting up of some believers over others- While giving people “saints” to serve as role models and inspiration is commendable, the Bible calls all believers saints. There are not an exalted few, for God is “not a respecter of persons.”

    — Purgatory- I know what Catechism teaches, but I also know what the Bible itself says: There is nothing within the Bible to support the idea of Purgatory. To the contrary, everything within the Bible counters the concept of Purgatory.

    — Absolution- The idea that a priest can absolve anyone of their sins is against the Word of God. Again, I understand what Catechism teaches. However, it is wrong. Clearly stated throughout the New Testament is a simple truth: One sacrifice for all, forever. It is not given to man to dispense in doses, but is freely given completely to all who call upon the name of Christ.

    — Saved by works and beliefs of faith- This is far different from “saved by faith alone.” The Church teaches that one is saved by faith alone, so long as one is a member of the Catholic Church; subscribes to water baptism (infants to adults); belief that Mary remains in a position of power over Christ; belief that Saints can/should be prayed to; receives communion and believes it is/becomes the literal blood and flesh of Christ; gives confession to a priest, and the list goes on. This is far different from “freely have you received, freely give.” When there are strings and conditions attached to the receiving of a “gift,” it is not a gift.

    — Papal infallibility- This, above all else, is completely heretical. You said not to hammer away on pedophile priests, but I WILL mention them. If the Pope is infallible, was he right, then, in ignoring the problem? The Bible clearly states that NO ONE on this planet is perfect, and that includes the ability to be wrong. The Pope is only a man. Pure and simple. As a symbol and inspiration, I can appreciate him. As a leader, I can appreciate him. As the sole “Supreme Representative of God on Earth,” I reject him completely and totally, and so should any God fearing Christian.

    — Scripture and Sacred Tradition- While I agree that traditional teachings are important, the Church views them as slightly more. The official stance is that some traditional teachings are just as infallible and authoritative as the Bible. This is not so. When a teaching goes against Scripture itself, it is not only fallible; it is deceptive, false and abominable. Take, for instance, this tradition itself. Note Matthew 15:6 “So for the sake of your tradition, you have set aside the Word of God and made it null and void.” One may wish to argue that the “sacred Traditions” of Catholicism do not set aside the Word of God, but if that were true: How are there so many traditions upheld by the Church that DO NOT have Scriptural backing, and in fact go directly against it?

    — Papal Line going to Peter- Not only is this a Scriptural misunderstanding, it is also historically inaccurate. Any group/church/organization that attempts to validate its structure based upon historically and Biblically erroneous practices, teachings, and virtual myths OUGHT to be suspect.

    These are just some of the issues, Peter. Again, I personally have a great many Catholic friends- Very dear friends. I have no problem with Catholics when they do, in fact, hold Christ on high above all else. Those who do not are they with whom I have quarrel, and sadly, Rome affirms a great many of these, making the Holy See culpable.

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  123. Christianity is not based on the Bible. It simply isn’t and wasn’t from the start. It was originally based on apostolic Tradition (which in this context is written with a capital “T”) Christianity existed for 325 years prior to the Council of Nicea where bishops from the early Catholic Church got together and decided that there should be an authorized compiled “book” as there was a lot of counterfeit and/or “incorrect” documentation floating around and whatnot. They then decided on the original 72 books to be included in it would be. Regardless of your feelings for the Catholic church, they were the ones that did it as they were the “only game in town” until Martin Luther came along 1200 years later. So to claim that that Christianity is “based on the Bible” is like saying that the job of “auto mechanic” is based on Chilton’s guides. This is the reason why the Catholic Church isn’t “based on the Bible”. Most Protestants however are not typically aware of this fact.

    It wasn’t until 1520 when Martin Luther came along and believed that Christianity should be “based on the Bible” (i.e. sola scriptura) which is anachronistic logic anyway, since Christianity had existed for over 3 centuries without the Bible. This is *THE* fundamental difference between Catholics (Which includes Orthodox Christians btw) and Protestants.

    I could go on, but won’t since most people don’t care and those who would argue in disagreement are probably nutjobs anyway.

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    • John~

      While you are historically accurate in when and where Sola Scriptura came about; and while you are generally accurate when it comes to the idea of “Christianity not being based on the Bible”; I feel it is necessary to point out that you are only right on this last point because of a technicality.

      For the first century, people who had seen Christ, and those who were second line disciples, wrote of their experiences. These letters were passed around from church to church, copied word for word, etc. Very often people get the impression that “Apostolic Tradition” consisted entirely of verbally relating stories to one or more people.

      This, however, is not the case.

      The letters that make up the majority of the New Testament are what laid the foundation for “Apostolic Tradition.” Ironically, Paul even mentioned a similar disagreement in his own writings, when he said “I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.” The letters are divinely inspired, as is the rest of Scripture- And I personally believe that there are more letters which could very well be considered inspired as well; letters which also hold “Apostolic Tradition.” (For instance, the epistles to the Corinthians written by Clement, known today as First and Second Clement.)

      I don’t believe many serious Christians will discount the importance of the Catholic church in the second and third centuries. Moreover, no serious Christian history scholar will attempt to make light of the Nicene Council’s work either. (Though they might point out that Nicea did not settle the issue, as there were disagreements following the council; and they may also point out that Nicea relied upon previous councils as well.) The Nicene Council, however, did NOT handle the formation of Biblical Canon: They were called specifically and primarily to examine the deity of Christ. In the process, they did decide a few issues: For instance, in their estimation, the book of Judith was to be considered among the number of Sacred Scriptures.

      No, by the time of Nicea, the majority of what we call the Bible had already been established; and men such as Justin Martyr, Polycarp, Ignatius and Tertullian, (not to mention Clement himself), had a great deal to do with that. The Old Testament was looked at as being comprised of the Hebrew Scriptures, while what we now know as the New Testament was comprised of the Gospels; the letters from Paul, Peter, John, James and Jude; the accounts written by Luke; and the revelations written by John and Hermas. There were certainly others that were then accepted as Scripture and are not now: the book of Enoch, which was quoted by Jude and referenced by Christ; the tenth through sixteenth chapters of Esther; The Psalms of Solomon; the Wisdom of Solomon; and Ecclesiasticus, to name but a few.
      However, it was the Council of Trent, starting in 1545 and lasting until 1563, that set forth the main canon that we know today. Still a Catholic council; still appointed by the Pope; but a great deal later than Nicea. Moreover, it was important to note that until this time , the Church (meaning the Body of Christ, not the Catholic church) was doing quite well for the most part. It was persecuted, yes; it was dealing with its share of charlatans and false teachers, absolutely; but the strongest remained true to the canon which had not been “officially sealed,” and to the Spirit of God.

      The canon that protestant Christianity knows was finalized as recently as the early 1800s, and rejects seven books from the original canon of 73 established by the Council of Trent. However, it should be pointed out that the Protestant Canon was actually instituted, (meaning about four of the seven had already been dropped), by the 1550’s; the Council of Trent finalized their canon in 1563.

      All of this to point out that the “Apostolic Tradition,” which many people like to point to as being what Protestants are missing, is not at all what has become the accepted understanding in Catholicism. That’s all… Not a major debate here.

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  124. Slaves to our own Devices! Break Free these shackles_That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'”
    phil 2:10
    rom 14:11

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  125. This is how I see it, I personally don’t listen to Tyler the Creators music. It honestly doesn’t matter to me if anybody listens to it. I believe in God, if Tyler doesn’t that’s okay, he’ll have to stand in front of God and explain why he did what he does now, not me. I don’t love Tyler and I don’t hate Tyler. One of the things about Tyler is all these people who follow him look up to him. Like all these people look up to any other artist, he knew he’d have people looking up to him and do what he says in his songs. He doesn’t care. Tyler is wanting all you people to go crazy and make him more famous for hating him. You’re giving him what he wants. Just saying.

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    • Hi Annika,

      What makes you think from the article that I am concerned with “what Tyler wants”? Please do not make the mistake of thinking this site is in a personal war against satanic artists. It’s not. It’s against the spirits behind the people making this music and the influence it has on its listeners. As someone who was familiar with the music industry years ago, I would be say most likely Tyler could care less about whether people hate him, knows nothing about this site but instead cares a whole lot more about money. The music industry is driven by money and profits.

      All that being said, I wonder why it does not matter to you if people listen to a certain type of music. So even when music promotes satan, raping women and necrophilia, you really “don’t care” if people are listening to it every day?

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  126. Religion Is S—.
    NUFF’ SAID.

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  127. The Devil is a Liar , he is running rampant in the world . But the good book says when the wicked multiply and come in abundance it is not that they will prosper but be identified and wiped out. America is Modern Day Babylon and will be wiped clean . I pray that those who have been raised in God and have led astray will return and save themselves for the coming of time is near. Watch and Pray ! .. This site is just the tip of the ice berg because these artists are blatantly blaspheming but the media is controlled by the Devil. You cannot force the word unto people, make them aware and leave the rest up to them . God use his many methods to speak to them whether it be death of their loved ones, diseases, incarceration .. whatever it is. Stop believing in the natural world because we are dealing with supernatural beings.

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  128. Mind you I don’t care for any religion because I believe it is segregation , I can testify that I have lived on both sides of the fence. God is real . Satan is real. The world believes that they think for themselves when they choose to be atheist not realizing that they felt something greater all along before some idiot came and spoke his self righteous beliefs and needs the world to verify and qualify himself as worthy in their eyes. These people are just trying to become ‘idols’ which God announces blasphemy , when they rap they are talking about what they would do to you, your sister, your mother , they don’t care about you . it saddens me how loyal you are to them, americans especially are the most misinformed mentally enslaved people who really have no understanding of their own.

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  129. “Started thinking about a normal life, it got me suicidal
    Standing in the kitchen with a noose and a rifle
    Hang or bang hockin’ lugees in a bible
    Dancing with the Devil tonight’s our first recital
    His hands on my hips he take control of my movement
    A couple of minutes pass and I don’t know what I’m doin’
    Just dance to the music so nobody will laugh at me
    But the f—ing voices in my head keep asking me
    Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight

    Again for a group that claims to have no religion or spiritual affiliation at all, the satanic and occultic references seem to abound. Not to mention that Earl is sure to mention that he is “hockin lugees in a bible” which is a reference to spitting into a Bible. If these rappers are so uninterested in spiritual matters, why is that Satan seems to keep being mentioned in their lyrics as controlling them? Why are they constantly bashing Christianity? Jesus Christ said in terms of getting to know people: “you will know them by their fruits.” The lyrical content of this music blatantly satanic.”

    “The prophetic significance here is great. As the world moves closer to the period the Bible calls the “end times” the stage has to bet set for the rule of the Antichrist. This will be a leader who will come into power because people want him. He will not “take over by force.” And the Bible predicts this satanically-inspired leader will show his true colors by speaking against God with blasphemy:

    5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. – Revelation 13

    The world is being prepped to accept and even applaud this type of behavior that one day the future Antichrist will display for the whole world. And already we can see that today’s music fans are eager to “worship” blasphemous artists.” <<<<<<<<<<<<<

    i dont think half of these people bashing this information are even capable of reading because this is the gold right here

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  130. Hi mates, pleasant piece of writing and good urging commented here, I am truly enjoying by these.

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  131. WolfSheGolden says:

    :) Calm down, Calm down children. To be totally honest… THEY ARE THEM. WE ARE US. KILL THEM. ALL. WOLFGANG.

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  132. WolfSheGolden says:

    I wanna love you
    But something’s pulling me away from you
    Jesus is my virtue
    And Judas is the demon I cling to, I cling to

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    • “Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.” – Matthew 27:3-5.

      This was the sad, tragic end for Judas. He never even spent the money he sold out The Son of God for. He had nothing but regret for what he did and killed himself. But Jesus, is alive and on the throne.

      Quoting Lady Gaga will do nothing to save your soul. This is what matters in life. The Bible says: “God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.” Rather than rest in your own belief that you do not need God, why not get to know Him first? Why not take the time to read some of the Bible and learn about Jesus Christ, from His own account? Your eternal life is at stake. Jesus Christ said: “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” I pray and hope that you take Jesus on His offer.

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  134. ofwgktadgafllbblsbfbn says:

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahah at these scared-ass people thinking that music about having fun is the antichrist takeover or some shit hahahahahahahahahah

    Tyler is an Atheist, so he doesnt belive in satan. he just thinks the whole God/Satan thing is a waste of time so he mocks it.

    If youre gonna write a huge thing on why OF is satanic,, at least know A LITTLE what your talking about.

    Oh, and it wasnt Earl on that verse up there, that was Hodgy.

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    • Get the definition of “Satanist” and compare, friend. One might say that your comment, (regarding knowing a little of what you’re talking about), is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.

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  135. Wolfgang 27 u a f***** hotho just shut the f*** up u ratchet

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    • Allow me to help you fix that comment, YMCMB.

      “I consider myself a part of, and Identify myself best with, the artist conglomerate known as Wolfgang. Indeed, I deem myself to be completely caught up with, involved in, and utterly taken by the music they produce and the lifestyle they espouse twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week.
      “However, I take exception to this article, and all such articles like it, because it seemingly attacks what I hold most dear. Therefore, you are, in my most humble opinion, a dirty, rotten, and utter scoundrel; perhaps one who has become intimate with many individuals for profit.
      “As such, I petition you; nay, even beseech thee: Cease your idle chatter about this subject. (For from my point of view, you know little about that which you write.) Again, I say: Cease! Elsewhilest ye be considered nothing more than a tool.”

      I know that it can be tough working with the English language, so I thought I’d give you a hand. ;-)

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  136. GodBlessU says:

    all i have to say, is that all this people that get so mad because you criticize an artist you “love”, is certain to be glorifying them somehow, because a sound mind would not come here and start cursing someone else view, i remember that in school they taught me to be open to all perspectives, yet I don’t see tolerance in many of the people here that “love” this guy, just because you think this guy is making this to make christian angry or whatever, if there’s a christian out there mad, brother I can tell you be humble and peaceful brother because anger doesn’t bring anything good to your life. Now back to the people that are defending this guys, as and example, tell me if this guy made a song about killing your mom or someone very dear to you would that make you happy? just because they are saying they are mocking Christianity, at its foundation it is Jesus and God the Father they are blaspheming, and that mean the message bad. We seem to think that everything nowadays is art or what not, but at its foundation art is the feeling of your imagination your putting in a piece of paper or wherever your drawing, ” art definition: The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture.” Since it comes from your imagination is a thought that is achieve from your heart, which doesn’t matter if is mockery or not is still something disrespectful to a certain group of people, and Adonai, himself. You might say he isn’t a satanist, if he is or isn’t I don’t care the fact that an idea from his heart, is out there disrespecting the God I solemnly worship as my creator is disrespectful to me,however. Many have done it before, I’m guilty because I let myself get influence by the world or look back at the world, however I confess my sin and I know God will judged me for doing so, but he is God. Yet people that don’t know Jesus listening to this don’t know that they can be forgiving or refuse to believe because of this artist lyrics, and where will they end, Hell. From my own testimony I can tell you that this music influences the people that listen to it, I’m a prime example because I weight lift and I play hardcore music and many have really wrong lyrics and cursing, and that music makes me pump, gets me angry to workout harder, yet after that I have cursing words stuck in my head and I feel bad about it, or start thinking wrong thoughts about Jesus and God, do you think that’s something Godly? No, is my own flesh and devils trying to get me to sin. I wish my post makes sense to your heart.

    All I pray is that you will have a sound mind and that God may bless you to know the truth, because if that doesn’t happen you will have more confusion and God will allow it.

    God Bless you B&E with your website is a great blessing to hear truth from you, since it is hard to find nowadays, that God may keep giving you wisdom and blessings.

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  137. They told me ”god is the answer” but when i ask him shit i get no aswer so god is the cancer, [censored for trolling]

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    • Which song is that, Igor?

      Or is that your own personal opinion?

      Or both?

      Truth be told, Igor, your view’s askew; there’s no ‘asking Him’, there’s only asking you; how can you ask something of one you don’t know? You can’t- no address, no IM, no phone. You haven’t got the proper contact information- you’re only going off of the invitation, or invocation, of another man’s frustration, so how do you expect to into Heaven when you’re lying in damnation? Change the station, switch the books you read, do whatever it is you need, but in the end it ain’t about you or us, it’s about you, alone, before One called Jesus.

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  138. I HAVE GAINED SO MUCH RESPECT FOR KEVIN JONAS UGH THANK U BASED GOD

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  139. There are several lines you quoted as Tyler, the Creator that were actually the words of a featured artist in his songs.

    “God is the cancer”
    “Uh, f– church, they singing and the s— ain’t even worth it
    In the choir, whores and liars, scumbags and the dirt..”
    And “triple six is my number you can get it off my tumblr are all fellow OF rapper Hodgy Beats’ lyrics.

    You Also pointed out that you found it interest that Tyler never made any stabs at Allah or Muslims, when in fact on his first album Bastard in the song Slow It Down, he says “I got Muslims calling on Jesus.”

    I consider myself to not only be a very spiritual but open minded person, and I personally love Tyler the Creators music and much of Odd Futures other installments and the message they portray.

    Fuck the system. Fuck everybody. Do what the fuck makes you happy.
    Golf Wang nigga.

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  140. Yall should let tyler be and shut up get over it if he worships the devil thats him… live you lives and let him live his

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    • We are, Ashley; perhaps you missed that fact.

      However, as Christians, we are also called to warn one another, and promote righteous living within the church body.

      BaE is doing his part by writing articles such as this one, to pass the word that Christians ought to avoid Tyler. You’ll note that some self-proclaimed Christians who have commented here do not agree; that’s their prerogative, as your expressed opinion is yours.

      So if I may say, in the most ironic of sense:
      live you life and let us live ours.

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      • FlogGnaw says:

        and Yo, RETS.

        I know way to many people like you.
        Religious zealots who lack any other aspect of a personality because
        everything in them is so thoroughly invested in this religion.

        why don’t you just shut up and go outside.
        go for a run, go swimming, go make some friends for god’s sake!

        you’ve been posting on this thread since May 21, 2012.
        that’s sad dude.

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        • I respond to people who respond to this. Example: I’m responding to you.

          However, if you think that you can judge me to be a “religious zealot [lacking] any other aspect of personality” based upon my posts here, then you are supremely ignorant.

          It is not a waste to take five minutes and respond here and there- But you, pal? You are a waste of my time: An egocentric megalomaniac who obviously has more of a problem with wasting his time than I.

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  141. FlogGnaw says:

    You guys are too entertaining!
    I spent 12 years in a Catholic school listening to people just like these.
    It wasn’t until my Junior year that I came to terms with life’s futility.
    Up to that point I had been more or less the ideal student at my school,
    I led Rosary twice a week at 7am in the Chapel before school, was an alter boy,
    attended Mass twice a week, and my mother teaches at a Catholic
    elementary school one town over. And yet, when I began to come into my own
    and gain some perspective on life, I came to see that we are just a species of animal
    that has made our own lives much more complicated then they need to be.
    All of this arguing is pointless. You’re offended by a guy who’s making music
    that mocks something that doesn’t exist.

    It’s like a child being offended because someone is making fun of his imaginary friend.

    Your beliefs are based on a fear of the unknown. The sooner you come to terms with the fact
    that we’re all decaying organic matter, the sooner you’ll realize that all you get is this one life
    and you may as well get your kicks while you can.

    Oh, by the way. Tyler’s new album “Wolf” is a pretty big shift musically.
    Much more mature, less angsty and f*ck the worldy.

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    • Hi FlogGnaw,

      Thanks for your comments. I understand your uprbrining but I wanted to provide one comment. Leading the rosary and mass are not in the Bible or a part of Biblical Christianity. They are just man made rituals. And while you might want to that we are just “decaying matter” you actually have no proof of that (unless you can prove the origin of all matter). So at the end of the day you are just putting faith in your opinion. And that’s a big step to take at 12 years old when the Bible has been around for over 3,000 years and is still used by the one billion plus Christians in the world. Just trying to give you some perspective.

      You are not just an animal. You seem like a smart kid so I think you know intrinsically that you are very different from a squirrel or a hen. You have a soul and spirit. And you don’t want to lose it. And God is offering a way to have them both eternally. The Bible says “God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.” Instead of acting out in pride to defy God and proclaim His nonexistence, why not genuinely get to know Him? Why not look into the Bible with an open heart and see what God has to say? I hope and pray you do.

      How to Get to Heaven
      http://beginningandend.com/how-to-get-to-heaven/

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      • FlogGnaw says:

        haha I said I spent 12 years in a Catholic school, not that I’m 12 years old. And yes, I’m aware of the problems that other denominations of Christianity have withCatholicism. I was only using that to emphasize my relationship and familiarity with the Christian faith. But that’s not what I want to get at. I’m saying that consciousness and the ability to ask the question “Why?” are the only reasons human beings invented the concept of religion in the first place. If it were not for those developments there would be no need for it. The fact that you’re all getting butthurt and throwing around terms like satanism is completely pointless.

        None of it is real.
        When we die, we die.
        End of Story.

        And a moral code isn’t something we need to look for in a an old book with a diluted message written thousands of years ago. Do your thing. We as a society decide what is right and wrong, and those who stray past from these lines face the consequences. Even without religion we would still have social order, evidence of this is present in almost every species of animal. If a people were to build a community in the absence of religion, that doesn’t mean murderers and rapist would go unpunished!
        BUT, I digress!

        If Tyler, The Creator’s music trips your trigger, then listen to it, if it doesn’t, don’t. Just don’t throw around these ridiculous labels like the mean something. You can say he worships the devil and wants to bring society to it’s knees all day, but you’re only wasting your own breath.

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        • Oh sorry about getting your age wrong. But now that I know that you’re fully grown, I will address your points in that respect.

          1. Reason for religion – You are making an assumption based on no data when you say people “created religion” out of fear. “Arguments” like these have no weight because you have nothing to prove that. Where is your historical evidence of this? Do you have any studies. Are the 5+ billion people who idenfitiy with a religion all completing surveys saying they are scared? It’s a baseless stereotype. Similarly for the “why question theory. You have no facts at all. Just your opinions.

          And if you study the history of Christianity, it proves the exact opposite. Christians in the first century were persecuted by the Jewish leadership in Judea and the Roman empire. If there was any fear it was in saying you were a believer in the resurrected Jesus Christ. And yet these people, who had absolutely nothing to gain materially from this, proclaimed it to their last dying breath. When you’re on the verse of being burned at the stake and told that if you renounce faith in Jesus Christ and you’ll live, if your belief was based on mere “fear of the unknown” you’d crumble like a house of cards in seconds. Yet Christian martyrs like Polycarp 2,000 years ago and Saeed Abedini today continued to boldly announce their faith.

          2. When We die, we die – This is obviously also your opinion.

          3. Moral code – “we as a society decide what is right and wrong” – yeah how did that work out for the African American people for 300 years of US history?? Not good! You wouldn’t even know Tyler or be able to name yourself after him if this were just 40 years ago. So I’d rather our law and morals come from God, then the hearts of men. The truth of the matter is people are wicked. Jeremiah 17:9 says “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Look at this conversation. Tyler raps about raping women, killing people, drugs, necrophilia and makes all sorts of verbal assaults on Christianity and yet you are here defending him because an articles “dares” to call him out for it. To paraphrase your earlier statement Tyler “doesn’t have to be Christian”. Yet he chooses to attack it anyway. So not only are you defending someone promoting some of the most vile, sick behavior out there, you are hypocritically defending his freedom of expression while trying to attack mine. And you think all of society should be like this? I beg to differ!

          Here is the truth of the matter as said by Jesus Christ:

          “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.” – John 3:16-20.

          People hate Christianity because it highlights their SINS. And people do not want to be confronted with the idea of a God who knows all things you are doing and thinking 24/7. People do not want to be convicted by the fact that they are violating God’s laws continually and defiling themselves in all sorts of manners with more sin each day. And people certainly don’t want to even think, for a second, about the possibility that they will one day stand before that God and be judged for all those sins, with the punishment of Hell and the Lake of Fire in the balance. That is the real fear. That is the real anger. That is the real condemnation. People don’t want a light shined on their evil deeds. And Jesus does that. The bible certainly does it. So the human reaction is to deny it all, say when we die, we die and promote human “intellectualism” as the solution.

          But we are all going to die, that we can agree on. And the Word of God that has been around for over 3,500 years says we will indeed be judged. And that we are already judged. We are all guilty, myself included. We have all sinned. But God, in His love, offered a way to be forgiven – Jesus Christ. But it takes humility to begin to understand these things. Listening to Tyler every day certainly won’t built that humility. It will lead people away from God. I should know because music once had the hold on me. But by God’s grace, I know much better now. And I know that I have eternal life and will not go to hell and am forgiven because of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross for me. And this is what I am trying to share. This is the biggest issue in every person’s life because every person on this planet knows they are going to die (and despite our disagreements, I believe we can agree on that clear fact). So again, I hope you consider this matter carefully.

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    • You grew up with Catholicism? Strike my earlier comment, Flog. You have my pity.

      I will have to look up his new album. Thanks for the heads up. Up until this point, I’ve been supremely underwhelmed with the musicality of most of what OF has put out, but I will check into Wolf.

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  142. Jesus Christ says:

    Golf Wang

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  143. Charlie Zimbo says:

    I am a christian. I listen to tyler the creator. Does’nt make me any less of a christian.

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    • I’m curious- Who said otherwise?

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      • Charlie Zimbo says:

        The post clearly states that tylers music is anti christ worship music but i am do belive in God so there must be something i missed

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        • Sure- The post comes on strong against the music itself; it also warns that Christians shouldn’t listen to it, because it does them no good.

          With that being said, I see no indictment against Christians who do listen to it alleging they are not Christians. Nowhere in this article is Tyler’s music called “antichrist worship music.”

          Is this less about what BaE has written and more about conviction, perhaps? I’m just curious.

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  144. James L. Brown says:

    The reason these clowns attack Christianity only is because we as Christians will turn the other cheek were as a militant Muslim would end their existence and their lavish lifestyle being supported by lovers of their music because it pisses their parents and adult authority figures off. Same crap with Marilyn Manson in 90’s, Eminem in the 2000’s. You followers and supporters of these lairs feeding you this crap cause it makes Mom and Dad mad are just as big of hypocrites as the judgmental Christians who feed the fuel to the fire that helps increase these idiots record sales. Your all morons!!! Have a nice day!!!

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  145. These acts were carried out in the name of Christianity some sanctioned by the church so you cannot just separate them from the Christian faith. They are as much apart of it as the good deeds done in the name of the church.

    Please know I feel this way about all religion not solely Christianity and if someone thinks that faith is the answer to finding joy in life I applaud them for actively seeking happiness but I do not agree with the idea of actively trying to convert non believers or disparaging those who choose to live their lives differently than you.

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  146. Warren Woolfolk says:

    You religious nuts drive me insane.
    Question 1. Who the hell is telling your out of line asses to look? This isn’t in the bible, but God gave you a neck, so if you don’t like what you see, turn your head
    Question 2
    Who the hell are you to pass Judgement on these people’s souls? Last time I checked, the christian way was Love without Judgement, or maybe I misinterpreted that part. Or Maybe I misread John 8:7
    Question 3
    Why is it that all you people seem to care about is tearing people down? I remember when you said you were a christian, instead of always looking to chastise and critique, they actually lived by the word. You lived a lifestyle that closely resembles Jesus. Now, instead of looking to yourselves as the problem, you accuse the world of being sinful instead of not living in this world (like the bible says) but actually preparing your place in Heaven while on this earth like you are supposed to. Tyler the Creator wasn’t lying when you guys are a bunch of liars, scumbags, and dirt. Take some time to reflect on what YOU are doing in your walk, you ignorant.

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    • 1. We are instructed to instruct other believers in the path of righteousness. So my question for you, Warren, is who is this article aimed at? Believers, or unbelievers?

      2. I’ve always had a major problem with people who pass judgment as well- It’s one reason I was out of the church for so long. With that said, there’s a difference between passing judgment and making an observation on the direction a person is walking. If you see a baseball headed to a window, are you passing judgment by saying someone will have to pay for a replacement?

      3. What is your definition of “tearing people down” and where is it seen here? This is another area where I agree with you inasmuch as it is far too often done within the church. With that being said, knowing how you’re defining the term is essential to understanding your point of view.

      Finally, I reflect on my walk often; most times, I’ll be the first to talk about my own failings. There are many who do. A blanket statement about Christians is as ignorant as a blanket statement about atheists, and I hope you realize that.

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  147. you guys have no clue who tyler and OFWGKTA really are. they arent satanic. they probably dont believe in the devil. the are atheists, which is bad i guess, but they just dont care about anything. they do this stuff to piss off really religious people. youre basically falling right into their trap.

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    • Satanists = glorified atheists.

      It’s not a stretch to call them Satanists; but at the same time, because of the misconceptions regarding Satanists and Lucifarians, it’s probably best to call them what they are.

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  148. Howdy! This is my first comment here so I just wanted to give a quick shout
    out and say I genuinely enjoy reading your blog posts.
    Can you suggest any other blogs/websites/forums that cover the same subjects?

    Thanks for your time!

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  149. WOLF HALEY: I’m a Christian and I don’t get offended when I hear all the 666 talk.

    Nor do I; I do find it to be completely and totally pointless, needless, and worthless. I also recognize that while he is a very intelligent young man, he routinely makes piss-poor decisions.

    WOLF HALEY:I write WOLF GANG, GOLF WANG, and FLOG GNAW on everything.

    So you’re saying you pretty much make an ugly mess of everything you own?

    WOLF HALEY:I’m a huge fan, and I want to be a member of Odd Future.

    Good luck with that, because you are one of thousands that want the same thing.

    WOLF HALEY:I know Tyler doesn’t believe in God, and I respect that because I don’t criticize what someone does/doesn’t believe in.

    Here’s the first major issue with your claim- And let me make it very clear that I am not disputing your belief in Christ, merely your understanding of what you believe.

    We can give a certain amount of respect to people, but we are also called to be constantly striving towards being like God. According to the Bible, He is not “a respecter of persons.” Christ also said that He was “the way, the truth and the life… (No one) comes to the Father except through Me.” It’s one thing to have a certain respect for a person’s humanity- But it’s quite another to make the statement you’ve just made, where it is seemingly saying that you respect him FOR his disbelief.

    WOLF HALEY:He says he’s the devil, he uses 666, and he makes upside down crosses because it makes (most) Christian mad!

    Doesn’t make me mad. What makes me mad, however, is how often people b*tch and moan about how horrible and judgmental and awful someone is for saying OF is blasphemous, heretical and satanic. There’s nothing judgmental, horrible or awful about those statements: They are legitimate observations.

    OF themselves claim to be satanic, so that charge is one they carry for themselves and proudly. Look up the definitions of heresy and blasphemy, and you’ll discover that their lyrics meet the criteria for these as well. Thus, these “charges” are mere observations of fact- It is the fanatic that is responding in a judgmental manner.

    WOLF HALEY:That’s the whole point. He’s a teen, and as I teen I like making people mad too because it’s funny.

    I’m glad that you can be so mature as to admit to your problem. One day, you’ll grow up and realize exactly where that sort of behavior leads, and I pray that happens before you come to harm.

    WOLF HALEY:All the violence and rape comes from different characters he’s created.

    And that makes it all right, good or worthy of listening to, Haley?

    WOLF HALEY:All his albums come together to tell one big story. (Granted, it’s not finished yet)

    It’s interesting that you say that, because after closely studying his music, I see nothing more than several disjointed albums that barely hold a common theme in and of themselves, let alone working with one another to weave a story.

    WOLF HALEY:He doesn’t target other religions because most other religions have people that follow. They don’t have as many hypocritical people that recognize themselves as a follower of a religion.

    You are so very, very wrong.

    Islam, for instance, incorporates Sharia Law to deal with those who do not follow the religion to the letter. Even then, however, there are differences in how people follow Islamic law. In many Western countries, you’ll find that most Muslims believe that jihadist passages speak specifically to the inner battle against one’s own sin. In the Middle East, however, you’d be hard pressed to find a Muslim willing to even give voice to that idea, because it is thoroughly understood there that jihad is a holy war against the unbeliever; and it is very much a physical battle.

    Mormons are another example. Their beliefs are often considered to be odd, but virtually harmless. They preach peace and harmony and are known in US History as being one of the few settler groups in the West to have been on fairly good terms with the native peoples. Yet under Elder Young’s leadership in the early days of Mormonism, any who left the church were hunted down and either killed or forced to return. One such event made such sensational headlines that an author in England was inspired to write a short story titled A Study In Scarlet, a tale about a genius detective named Sherlock Holmes.

    Hinduism is another religion that is generally considered to be peaceful. However, it was a Hindu sect that actually created the suicide bomber vest- That was not an Islamic idea, but a fringe Hindi group.

    I could go on and on, but the point you are attempting to make in his defense here simply doesn’t stand to reason, nor does it match up with documented fact.

    WOLF HALEY:DON’T CALL IT HORRORCORE, LISTEN DEEPER IN THE MUSIC BEFORE YOU PUT IT IN A BOX. WOLF GANG.

    It is sometimes sold under the horrorcore label, so I believe it can, in fact, be called that. I have listened to his music, Haley. As a musician, I found his lyricism to be only rarely decent; I found his premises flawed; I found his storytelling attempts to be dismal in most cases; I found his beats to be average and in many instances less than industry standard; and I found his individual skill to be mediocre at best.

    His music does belong in a box, in my opinion, but only because that’s where he’s put it himself.

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    • WOLF HALEY says:

      Actually it’s not under the horror core label, so how about you do some research first. I’m well aware that there are hundreds of thousands of Odd Future fans. If you listen deeper to the lyrics and the dialogue you would know that there are characters and a story that’s well though out. I’m respecting the fact that Tyler has an opinion to believe or have a lack of belief in a god/ higher power. I don’t respect someone for yelling “666” and “Satan”. You may not be offended, but all the faculty at the Christian school I attend hate Tyler, the Creator. Do you see a boatload of Muslims, Mormons, Hinduists, Shintoists, Buddhists, Voodoo worshipers, Satanics, or any other religion (other than Christianity) going door to door asking you to become a follower? It’s like all these shoutouts on Instagram saying “follow me!!” As a Christian, it, honestly, bothers me when people throw religion in your face. Christians are absolutely the worst when it comes to this IMHO. Also, RETS, I would like to thank you for taking time out of your day to correct and argue with a fifteen year old.

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      • Firstly, it is not my intention to “argue,” but rather to dialog with you. You brought up some interesting points, which I felt deserved a decent response. Your age has nothing to do with it.

        As for the genre labeling: It is filed under horrorcore in at least three of the five music stores I frequent. That does not mean it is so everywhere; just that it is where one may find it at those three. Point being? I’ve done my research.

        As to the story: I’ve not only listened to his music, I’ve read the lyrics. There is a semblance of a story in some songs, true. However, to see them interconnected and a part of some greater tapestry… As I said prior, I am hard pressed to find one.

        The faculty at your Christian school are tasked by your parents and those of your classmates to train minds in a manner that is in keeping with the Word of God. Having seen the sort of BS that can happen at Christian schools, I know for a fact that they are far from perfect… But with that said, Tyler and the rest of OF are obviously in direct opposition to the mission of those educators. So yes, I believe that they do get offended; and honestly, out of everyone who could be offended, they have the most right to be.

        .
        I live two blocks from a mission house. In case you don’t know, that’s a place where Mormons stay while on mission. That means that on a regular basis, I’m getting knocks on my door so that they can share the “good news” with me. I’ve also got a Watchtower not more than ten minutes from my house, so I get Jehovah’s Witnesses as well. Fifteen minutes southeast of here, there is a Buddhist monastery, and yes… These guys have taken to trying to teach their neighbors the path to enlightenment.

        These three to the side, Lucifarians regularly recruit; it just rarely looks the same as Christianity or any other religion that utilizes home visits. They also tend to chase after their own; case in point, last year a member of my own former “coven” tracked me down and attempted to lure me back. To think that Satanists and any other group dedicated to Lucifer do not recruit is to invite trouble you are not prepared for. That I know from personal experience.

        Finally, let’s talk about Islam for a moment. My local Imam informs me that Western Muslims (that is, Muslims in Western World nations) have begun to use home visits as a way of recruitment and publicity. The attempt is twofold: The first is to convert the people they are visiting, and the second is to show that the Muslims in this and other Western countries are not the monsters we see on the nightly news.
        The reason you don’t see this happening in the Middle East is simple: They don’t bother attempting to “win” followers. I’ve got friends and family in Lahore, Pakistan- The Muslims there are in the middle of a recruitment drive. Know what that looks like? Groups of fifteen to twenty-five roaming the street, catching up anyone (man, woman, child) that is a Christian and demanding they convert to Islam. If they do not, they are mercilessly beaten; sometimes raped; and occasionally killed.

        But let’s be honest, Haley. Most Christians are too busy complaining about the difficulty of mission work to actually do anything. Many are far too busy inspecting their own bellybutton to take notice of the hurting teenager in the back row, let alone go door to door.

        .
        Anyhow, it’s been a pleasure conversing with you again. Don’t sell yourself short just because of your age. Take care.

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        • WOLF HALEY says:

          Dude, where do you live?! I live in Oklahoma, so we’re a “Bible belt” state. Lol

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          • You know, I now feel badly for you, having to share a state with Westboro. ;-)

            I originally come from New England, the land of the “Chosen Frozen.” Recently moved to the South West, and yes, we’ve got our fringe movers, but most churches I’ve seen in my life have been full of inwardly focused, “church first” type people.

            Let me rabbit trail from the current topic to ask: Were you in any danger from the tornadoes? I’m thankful that the few folks I know in OK were kept safe… One gent actually had the F5 jump his place. Talk about a miracle!

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            • WOLF HALEY says:

              I’m good, it was about 45 minutes away from me. My friend’s friend lost their house and their school, and a friend of mine has debris all over her house and their school’s gym is completely destroyed.

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          • Good to hear you weren’t in harm’s way. I’ll be praying for your friends.

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  150. Oh wow, examining a couple of songs then labeling the entire discography of OFWGKTA as satanic. A+ job, you should feel proud of yourself. Despite the fact Bastard, Goblin, and Wolf are an overarching narrative, and the references you’re speaking of are mostly to rustle jimmies and not the spiritual beliefs of the group.

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  151. Whoever wrote this article is a complete idiot. Most members in OF are atheists. Tyler isn’t a satanist, he has said many times he just hates ALL religion, therefore he openly makes fun of it. He predominantly mocks christianity because he knows it’ll get a reaction from people like the idiots who wrote this. I’m not trying to say christians are idiots. I’m just saying the ones that act like the ones who wrote this article are. You just took a few songs and compared to a bad movie and labled it all as “satanic”. Nice job.

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    • And again, it really falls back to what a satanist truly is. You may wish to learn that before you look a bit ignorant yourself.

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      • Charlie says:

        The only problem I have with this article is that it paints Tyler as an evil person. When really it only looks at his music. Music all depends on how the listener takes it. One man’s food is another man’s poison. The problem comes when you start judging another man’s food and saying it is poison. Watch interview with Tyler. You’ll see he really isn’t a bad person. Just an odd kid tryna feed his family and friends.

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        • Hi Charlie,

          Thanks very much for your comments. I wanted to respond to one particular comment you made:

          “Music all depends on how the listener takes it. One man’s food is another man’s poison.”

          So if Tyler made music encouraging people to molest children or celebrating the holocaust, would it be wrong to “judge him” for this? Would you be okay and still be a big fan of his? Would it be wrong for anyone to have an issue with him trying to feed his family this way?

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          • Charlie says:

            The problem is you act as if people always act upon what music tells them what to do. Like really you think if you listened to one of his songs for example he says “kill people, burn white, f– chool”. So according to you his fans are going to go around killing people right?

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            • Hi Charlie,

              Thanks again for your response. Nowhere in the article do I imply that the fans of Tyler are literally following his commands. It’s just never stated. So no, I am not saying that people are going to kill because Tyler raps about killing.

              But you have not answered my questions: If Tyler was rapping about molesting children and celebrating the Holocaust, would you still be a big fan? Would it be “wrong” for someone to criticize him for making songs like that? Or is it all okay because he’s trying to feed his family?

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  152. Charlie says:

    No of course not I wouldn’t be a fan and I wouldn’t support that. But I’ve never heard tyler rap about that. And if we play the what if game this won’t end. See the thing I’m trying to point out is that in this article you are not saying much of anything but really implying that tyler is satanic. Or more so his music. Now his first two albums bastard and goblin, I’ll give you that but really he was a 16/17 year old kid. Do you really think that’s what his music was aiming for? Another point is that music is about it being relatable and if you can’t relate to it or don’t like it then don’t listen to it. Or better yet just let me know what exactly it is you were trying to prove or point out by posting this article because to me it just seems like an attack on tyler.

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    • Hi Charlie,

      Thanks again for responding. Lord willing you can now see that it is okay to criticize a musician based on the lack of morality or promotion of evil in their music. By your own admission you would not be a fan or support Tyler if he rapped about child molestation or the holocaust being good. That is where you have drawn a line based on your perception of right and wrong. This article is doing the same thing. It just draws the line at a different place.

      You have also said that the albums “Bastard” and “Goblin” were satanic, so again, you are agreeing with the point of the article. The other point the article is making is that his music is blasphemous, which it clearly is. And as a Christians site, we have the freedom to voice what is wrong about this just like anyone else has the right to voice their displeasure over a song about abusing children. Is it an “attack” to point out the evil in something? If so, then yes, this is an attack. But it seems that you have given Tyler all the room he wants to attack Christianity and the name of Jesus Christ and you have no problem with it. But if a Christian dares to criticize him for doing so, you call us wrong. It seems like a lot of inconsistency here.

      The other greater point being made is that there is a God and He will one day judge us all for our own lives and decisions. Tyler will answer to The Lord but we will also answer to The Lord as well for our sins. And is defending music that attacks and disrespects God something you really want to be passionate about? Just because the music sounds good and is relatable? I would humbly suggest considering God’s feelings on the matter. And then consider that despite this blasphemy and clear insult to God, He still extends a free offer of forgiveness and eternal life through Jesus Christ. This is the most important issue in life – where will we spend eternity. And filling your mind with sinful rebellion and music that dishonors God, will only harden your heart to The Lord.

      Jesus Christ said: “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:17-18). This is the message the sinful world wants silenced. This is the message that they do not want you to even think about, much less believe it could be true. And my hope and prayer is that you do consider it. Because your eternal fate is much more important that a website or a rap album.

      How To Get To Heaven
      http://beginningandend.com/how-to-get-to-heaven/

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  153. Charlie says:

    What you say is true all around good points. But I think where I have the disconnect is the fact that I believe in god. And I am a Christian. And look at it this way and I know I said not to play the what if game but bear with me. If me and you where not sinners at all lets say since birth we never sinned and we are both moraly good people. Then I listened and was a fan of tylers music. Then judgment day came, would the deciding factor of goes into heaven/gets saved be tylers music? I mean granted to each his own, but by attacking tyler what makes you any different from him? The only difference really is you believe you are right and he’s wrong.

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    • I’ve been following this exchange with great interest, and I hope neither of you will mind if I interject something…

      Charlie, you said:

      by attacking tyler what makes you any different from him? The only difference really is you believe you are right and he’s wrong.

      I’m sure you know the statement by Christ found in Matthew 7:1 where He says Judge not, lest ye be judged.

      Christ spoke a lot about judgment and judging others. I’ve seen a lot of people make the argument that this article is judgmental. Perhaps you think that, perhaps you don’t- It seems as if you might.

      However, it is not truly judgment. You see, if you look back at the article, it is not judging Tyler as a person; rather, it is judging his words and actions and allowing these to define the view of Tyler himself.
      In 2 Timothy 2:15, we read Paul encouraging the young Timothy to “rightly divide the word of truth.” Divide the word of truth from what, precisely? Reading that verse in context gives a much clearer understanding.

      2 Timothy 2:14-16

      Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.

      My question for you, Charlie, is can Tyler’s music truly be considered to be anything other than profane? Can it be considered to be anything other than idle? (You yourself said that he doesn’t mean any of it; he’s just trying to put food on the table; etc.)

      If you can honestly say and present evidence that Tyler’s music is positive, portraying a wholesome message and encouraging godly behavior, I’ll happily join you in condemning this article. If you cannot, however, then you must then understand that the words and actions of man are what judge him- And Tyler is judged by his own words and deeds… We are simply dividing the word of truth.

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      • Charlie says:

        No that’s okay, a little back and forth is good. And to your point, no it is not godly, I’m pretty sure we all can agree on that but positive yes. It’s like what I said about music being relatable, like on his song rusty he actually addresses that. You see if we take/judge all music by being godly or wholesome, that means total removing rap music from this world. And that wouldn’t make sense because I am a rap fan like it’s all I listen to. And what I’ve learnt is to take music just as that. Music. Tylers beliefs are not my beliefs. But he is a great rap artist. And that’s what I base my listening on. Who is great at what they do. Because that is a god given talent and no one else can do what the artist does. Now whether or not that artist uses the talent in favor of God that’s up to him/her but I will support great music. And what do you mean by dividing the word of truth exactly? Because it like I said, what’s the actually purpose of the article, it’s like is it trying to warn people about his music? Or just simply stating that it’s evil? And if it is just stating, like to what end. What’s the point that I’m missing here

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        • Appreciate your candor and graciousness!

          …no it is not godly, I’m pretty sure we all can agree on that but positive yes.

          Something I’ve struggled with for a long time is “can something be truly positive without God?” The answer, I’ve come to understand, is that it can only be “positive” on a shallow, skin-deep level. There really is no grey area, unfortunately, though many of us would prefer it if there were.

          Tylers beliefs are not my beliefs. But he is a great rap artist.

          We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one! lol

          I’ve commented on this before, but I find his beats to be standard and occasionally chaotic, and his rhymes are average. He’s got charisma, but in my honest opinion, it’s the only thing he’s got going for him, artistically speaking. As a person, he’s very intelligent, but his intellect is also his undoing in many ways.

          Now whether or not that artist uses the talent in favor of God that’s up to him/her but I will support great music.

          This is another area that I’ve struggled in greatly. For instance, one of my favorite (still living) secular artists is DMX. Now, he’s got a lot of positive stuff, and he’s even got his prayers and at least one song dedicated to God on every album. The problem is that light cannot dwell with darkness- Christ said so Himself. So, do I support the man?

          Same issue that I have with Tupac. Amazing lyricist, and a very intelligent person. He was one of the first in the game to show that it was completely alright for a man to be emotional, and he did it with a genuine display when it was called for. The problem, again, is that he was not creating music that was meant to uplift in most cases. Instead, he created music that talked about his thug life and the horrors of it. Cautionary tales, perhaps, but far from uplifting or positive because his younger fans did not see them as cautionary- They say the money and fame and believed his life and the things he rapped about were the keys to the ends.

          Now compared to these two artists, Tyler doesn’t even come close… Yet his fans, the more impressionable ones at least, are equivocating his messages with his success. So… Dare I support music that is actively leading others astray?

          what do you mean by dividing the word of truth exactly?

          Dividing the word of truth from all else is the process by which we recognize what God says versus what the world is saying and consciously choose the word of truth above all else.

          For instance, read 2 Timothy 2:16 once more- We either follow that, or we don’t. If we do not, then we choose the world over God, and all hell will break loose in our lives. If we do, then we choose God over the world, and all else falls into place.
          I’ve seen this enough in the lives of others, and in my own life, to know the reality of this happening.

          Because it like I said, what’s the actually purpose of the article, it’s like is it trying to warn people about his music?

          Yes, in a word. (I’m sure BaE will have a few comments of his own as well.)

          This article is not meant so much for the unsaved as it is for those within the Church. Now, I’ve noticed that BaE will regularly include information on becoming a Christian within his articles, and that shows his vigilance when it comes to the Great Commission. However, articles such as these fall into line with Scripture as being a warning to the Body of Christ.

          Or just simply stating that it’s evil? And if it is just stating, like to what end. What’s the point that I’m missing here

          What does the word “evil” mean to you?

          Interestingly, in both the Greek and Hebrew, the words for “evil” have root words. These root words both mean, directly or by inference, rebellion. Anything that is rebellion is “evil.” So, does his music encourage rebellion? Then yes, it is “evil.”

          What’s more, it is evil that stands against God, and no amount of positivity can make up for the fact that he positions himself in direct opposition to God, and encourages his listeners to do the same. I hate to make this reference out of concern that it will be taken out of context, but even Satan appears as an angel of light. This is why I said that without God, the only “positivity” that can come from a secular artist is shallow at best.

          To my understanding, that is the overall point to this article: That regardless of what qualities some might wish to say are redeeming, the mere fact that he positions himself against God, and goads others into doing the same thing, is reason enough to cease supporting him. His overall message is the second point, and his overall message is one that anyone following Christ ought to avoid.

          And now we get to my favorite part of your comment! :)

          You see if we take/judge all music by being godly or wholesome, that means total removing rap music from this world. And that wouldn’t make sense because I am a rap fan like it’s all I listen to.

          I LOVE rap music. Always have, and probably always will, regardless of how many Drakes and Ke$has and Biebers come along to try and mess it up. (You probably know he’s trying to get in on it now as well…)

          In fact, I’ve actually been in the industry for some time now independently- Never really attempted to pursue mainstream labels or anything- and released more than six albums. (I like being indie.) To that end, I know literally dozens of rap artists that are just as good if not better than Tyler that do have a godly, positive message, and I’m happy to pass them on to you.

          Yung Rick – This kid is pretty good. His freestyles are quite impressive, and a lot of his songs are freestyled. He’s a committed believer, and his messages are biblical while maintaining a definite “party anthem” style. Check out Rockstar for a taste of what I mean. Best part about this is that you can legally download a couple of his projects for free. One of my favorites is the “This Time It’s Personal” mixtape- The song Real About It is absolutely worth the listen.

          Shames Worthy – This cat is a Tunnel Ratz alumni, and one of the most talented members of the group. Check out the song The Anthem. To my knowledge, none of his projects are free, but they’re also extremely affordable. ($7!!!)

          Side note: If you’ve never heard of the Tunnel Ratz, I highly recommend you look up the TRz video. (just put “watch?v=W3NbAEPoNLw” after youtube.com/)

          Baron Red – An indie artist that has some serious talent. Definitely check him out.

          Fred Council – A new artist that’s coming up out of the “Pardon The Movement” collective. His single I’m Standing promises some pretty epic things to come. Free download, too! (Personal opinion- A whole lot better than Frank Ocean.)

          Jeremiah Bonds – Another excellent lyricist, Jer is beyond impressive. This is an unusual free download, in that it’s got 20 tracks! Back To The Hook is a great song, and one that’s got a lot of wry humor to it as well. Check out his Customer Development album as well. (Linked on the right side of the page.)

          HeeSun Lee – A young lady born in Korea and raised by an adoptive family in New York, she is stunning in nearly every way. I’ve been hoping to get a collab going with her for a little while now, but sheer distance is a bit of an issue.

          Promise – This dude is mind blowing with his visuals and emotion. The man seamlessly blends soul, jazz, and hip-hop into an amazing fusion that sounds great.

          Swoope – This guy’s been around for a little while, but he’s always been impressive. His latest collaborative project, “We Live As Kings,” is a phenomenal lyrical treatise on Christian life with a solid theological base. The great thing is, I had to listen to it twice before I realized that- The first time through, I just had fun!

          Cash Hollistah – Check out the music video on his page. That’s all I’m going to say about that. Seriously.

          Cas Metah – This guy is at least as prolific as Tyler, and in my opinion, twice as good. Check out Told You So off of the “Guest Room” album.

          Eshon Burgundy – This man is also prolific in ways that many in rap wish they could be. In addition to the albums he’s got on his page here, he’s been featured on over a hundred other albums, and created beats for hundreds more. Best part about him is that he views his career as a ministry and a business, so a lot of his stuff you can get for free, or name your price. Check out Str8 Up on the “Blood Bought” album.

          Jaelife – This kid is impressive to say the least. Check out his latest single featuring Kambino.

          Alex – For a guy sporting a single name, Alex is far from forgettable. Not only is he talented and multifaceted when it comes to his flow, he’s extremely intelligent.

          NomiS – How many rap artists do you know that have created an entire album inspired by a classic Broadway production? Check out the album “The Wretched” – Talk about an amazingly inventive project!

          Insufficient Funds – Hearing is believing, and that’s all I can say about these guys. Anything else would just be unbelievable.

          Silas Zephania – A rap artist from the UK, he is no less accomplished. Check out the song Vocabulary Nature and you’ll see what I mean.

          Kimba – This young man has been getting accolades from all corners for his talent, despite the fact that his message remains solidly Christ centered.

          Through Hymn – This crew is pretty epic, to say the least. Only one album and a single thus far, but I’ve never seen anyone do a themed album as thoroughly or completely as Through Hymn. The album “On Word And Sacrament” takes early church history and the foundational beliefs of the major Christian denominations and distills them into a thirteen track, name-your-price album. The single The Pear Tree Episode is based on the Confessions of St. Augustine, which again shows the depth of their talent.

          Commissary – Just check him out. Intelligent, witty, and talented.

          JGivens – The guy sums himself up quite well: “His name is Jesus. My name is JGivens. Necessarily in that order.” His talent is unquestioned and he’s got a very diverse beat library. One of his most interesting, thought provoking and convicting albums was a mixtape called “Keep Praying 4 @KanyeWest” which was a ten song album that encouraged Christians to stop talking about him and begin praying for him.

          Datin – Another artist I’d love to collaborate with someday. Check out the song Fire In My Heart.

          Armond – Some of his songs are deceptively simplistic, and if you stop listening at that point, you’ll end up missing his true genius. This guy actually creates beats that help convey the song itself. Check out the song Questions & Answers from the Condiments EP to see what I mean.

          Erick Dayz – Check out the song F.A.I.L. and you’ll see why he’s one of the hottest up and coming artists today.

          Jerry Blackwell – His debut album “Reality Check” was great, but I think his next release “Love Eternal, Volume One: Hello Forever” is one of the best dedicated albums I’ve ever heard. Check it out, and you’ll see what I mean.

          Eons D – This site only has singles, but they defintely give an excellent glimpse into an artist I believe is one of the best, most often slept on artists of this generation. His song “Bone Collector” is especially haunting.

          Justword – This guy is an accomplished producer, beatmaker and rapper in his own right. Check him out.

          Rigz – Another producer, beatmaker and rapper, Rigz’s style is like a breath of fresh air. It’s very classic, old school, and carries the same emphasis on wordplay that seems lost in much of today’s rap. To hear his flow, listen to “New York Renaissance,” and his beats are on “Production.”

          Scope – Scope brings some serious power and raw emotion to his music, such as seen on the single Show Must Go On. Check out the singles here, and peep the videos as well. He’s got no music videos, per se, but each one of his are live performances… How best to see real talent but live? (Granted, I wish the quality was better, but for an indie artist, it ain’t bad.)

          Mouthpi3ce – I’ve got three of this dude’s albums, and he is by far one of my favorites. Check out the album B.A.S.S., especially the song The Great Apostasy.

          GS – A duel letter name for a triple digit game! You can get his mixtapes free from datpiff.com, and see all of his music HERE. I recommend the “Warning Before Destruction II” and “Win Souls Or Die Tryin.”

          Reconcile – This guy is truly one of a kind. As such, you’re just going to have to check him out for yourself. I literally have not heard many, if any, touch his sound. His song Teenage Mother reminds me of Tupac in terms of the emotional landscape he paints, but with a great deal more hope. Hold US Down is another song off the same album that goes in a completely different direction, and is just about as hard as they come.

          Jordan Santana – A definitely unique artist. Check out the song SuckerPunchDrunkLove from the album “All Killer” to see what I mean.

          Die-Rek – This man looks like the long lost brother linking Dr. Dre and Ice Cube, but he’s got a sound all his own. The “Die-Version Project” has a song called The Good Samaritan (The New Version) that I highly recommend if you like social commentary.

          Relic – His latest album, “Miles To Go,” is heads above a great many of the mainstream albums out there. Check ‘em all out.

          The Runaway – This new father has been doing this since about 2007. His latest EP has a great song on it called Saturday Sonrise that features two members of theBREAX, which is another group worth checking out- They’re French, though, which is why I’m not actually listing them here; trying to keep this all English speaking music.

          Ali Rozet – Here’s one I just discovered not long ago. “The Abolition EP” has a song called Beard that I’ve been playing regularly.

          Conquest – This is an artist that mixes his faith with politically charged, socially conscious rhymes. Definitely worthwhile.

          The White Label Project – A huband and wife duo that stand out for more than one reason. I highly recommend them.

          the Elevationists – This group of four is absolutely worth your time to check out, because they have such a unique approach to their art. The album “COLD” is a mere $5, and it’s free to listen to the tracks.

          Idiomz – Another voice with a very classic sound, the reason I love his music is the fact that he’s very much old school.

          Karl Nova – Another UK artist, his skills are top notch and deserving of your attention. Especially check out the “Deleted Scenes Mixtape!”

          NeoPsalms – The first time I heard the song ReFOCUSED, I thought “this is seriously sick!” I’d love to know if you agree. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and play it.

          BB Jay – This dude sounds like B.I.G. – No joke. See for yourself.

          Thi’sl – This is one of the songs that got me hooked on Thi’sl. The other is Signed Up To Die. (Also happens to be my personal life’s theme since returning to the Lord.) Give him a try, as he’s the real deal- no joke. You can also check out his story.

          Pettidee – Another real deal rap artist, and one with one of the most recognized signature sounds in all of rap.

          A couple more artists to look up: Sho Baraka, Tedashii, and Shai Linne.

          Hope that helps turn you onto more music that you’ll enjoy, and that is both awesome and God centered!

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          • Charlie says:

            I’ll definitely check those guys out and I understand the article now. I guess my view is simply we serve a merciful god. And jesus did forgives sinner on the cross, and my thinking is if tylers music doesn’t change the way I act or think about God then I am okay. Some may think different but to each his own. Now this might be a little off topic but, what are your views on brother ali’s music. More specifically his album letter to my countrymen, if you have listened to it. This will be one of my last comments, great post, even if I disagree with it, it good to talk about such things.

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            • Hi Charlie,

              The point of the article for Christians is simple – you already said that you would not listen to or support Tyler if he sang about child molestation. So that is something you clearly hold in a sacred place. Similarly if I asked most people “If Tyler made a song completely disrespecting your mother, would you support him? Would you play that music in front of your mom all the time” the overwhelming majority would say NO, emphatically. As a Christian, that is how you should feel about God. If someone is so blatantly disrespecting the name of Jesus Christ, it should upset you. And certainly you should not celebrate, support, defend and repeatedly play music that is so obviously blasphemous. Jesus said “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:37). If you would tolerate sin against God just because you happen to like a rappers lyrics or beats, then you are going against what Jesus wants from children of God (born again Christians).

              This is not a blanket statement against all secular music. This specifically about an artist who is very intentionally and boldly disrespecting The Lord. So in this light, how can it be okay to say “I am okay”? Do you really think God is indifferent to this music? The same God who says “BE NOT DECEIVED, God is not mocked. For what a man reaps he shall sow”? Just something to consider.

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              • Charlie says:

                That’s a good point, I didn’t think of it that way. But then again, I am a fan of Tyler because of his latest album Wolf. And in that album tyler isn’t really focused on god. He really doesn’t talk about him much. And to your “you reap what you sow” comment in what sense did you mean that. I’m not exactly sowing anything bad?

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                • Hey Charlie,

                  In terms of sowing – again, I ask. If you Tyler made music about child molestation and you went and started playing his music at an abuse center, would that not be an insult? If he made anti-semitic music, wouldn’t it be obviously an offense to play his music in front of Jewish people? If you supported and defended him, aren’t you endorsing what he sings about? It’s the same with The Lord. You are playing the music of someone who is a total blasphemer who hates God. If you really love God as a Christian should, then it should be clear to see why that is an insult to The Lord. Even if that particular song does not mention God, we all know what Tyler has made in the past. So it is still a mockery of The Lord and a mockery of you seeing Him as your Lord and God. Because you should have the utmost respect for Him.

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                  • Charlie says:

                    You make it sound like I said tylers music was godly and holy. When I said that it’s not. You see the problem is you act like that is all tyler does in his music. Like he’s always op