Apostasy Alert: Joel Osteen And Oprah Preach New Age Magic

Joel Ostee and Oprah Lifeclass | Heresy I Declare New Age Book.

Joel Osteen is once again teaching his New Age heresy.

Following in the footsteps of Bishop T.D. Jakes, Prosperity Gospel preacher Joel Osteen, Pastor of Lakewood Church, the biggest congregation in America, has now joined Oprah Winfrey’s life classes to teach New Age heresy to the masses. Once again, a Christian pastor has come on Winfrey’s series and preached a message that had no mention of the Biblical gospel, forgiveness of sins or Jesus Christ.

As we noted in our Apostasy Alert article on T.D. Jakes, Oprah Winfrey has been one of the biggest promoters of the New Age movement in the world. Through her talk show, television network and multi media empire Winfrey, who claims to be a Christian, has launched books such as The Secret into all-time best sellers. The Secret, a book that teaches the ancient witchcraft technique, The Law of Attraction is not in line remotely with Biblical Christianity. Rather than looking to Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with God, The Secret teaches that a person has the power to attract success, wealth, romance and all sorts of earthly benefits through their own words and rituals.

Here is Oprah promoting the book on her show:

 

 

The book popularized “The Law of Attraction”, an occult technique that involves visualizing a certain goal, constantly focusing and doing certain practices as if it has already happened and then “attracting” it by your constant thoughts and focus. Its author, Rhonda Byrne writes: “All good things are your birthright! You are the creator of you, and the law of attraction is your magnificent tool to create whatever you want in you life. Welcome to the magic of life, and the magnificence of You!” (p. 41)

Of course the Bible says of Jesus Christ:  “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:3). Jesus Christ is the Creator. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. A person is blessed through faith in Christ who is the heir of the Universe. And Jesus teaches that constant focus on material gain should not be a Christian’s life:

 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. – Matthew 6:31-33.

The Secret Byrne | Joel Osteen Apostasy New Age wolves in sheep clothing.

Joel Osteen is taking much of his material from this book.

 

“When you focus your thoughts on something you want, and you hold that focus, you are in that moment summoning what you want with the mightiest power in the Universe. The law of attraction doesn’t compute “don’t” or “not” or “no,” or any other words of negation, this is what the law of attraction is receiving.” – The Secret, p. 9.

By the book’s premise, all power comes through the individual. A person can have whatever they want just calling upon “the mightiest power of the Universe.” Anything can be obtained. The Bible does not teach this. In fact it teaches that we cannot obtain anything of true meaning and significance without God:

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.  Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.  Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. – James 4:8-10.

Notice the difference: the Bible acknowledges that God is the means to eternal satisfaction and true peace. And it also teaches that it is sin that is our main obstacle to God. It takes a desire for forgiveness and faith in God to forgive sin through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that is the message of Christianity.

The Secret reveals its true message later on in the book:

“You are God in a physical body. You are Spirit in the flesh. You are Eternal Life expressing itself as you.” (The Secret, p. 164)

This underscores the message of The Secret and the New Age: that a person can become God. This is of course complete contradictory to the Bible and is following the deception of Satan.

In our first article on Joel Osteen’s witchcraft, we detailed that the Law of Attraction is precisely what Joel Osteen preaches to his congregation and television audience on a regular basis. This is nothing more than witchcraft being given a “Christian”veneer. The Bible of course prophesied that as the end times approached there would be an apostasy – a falling away in the church, where pastors and their congregations would abandon Biblical Christianity in favor of their own man-centered, mystical doctrines. 2 Timothy Chapter 4 issues a directive to pastors to stand for the Biblical, Gospel-centered preaching in this age of Apostasy:

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;  Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. – 2 Timothy 4:1-4.

Pastors are to preach “the word” – meaning preach The Bible and not their own ideas or methods, whether it is “in style” or “out of style” or “old-school” to just use solid, biblical preaching. The result of not doing this is that those coming to church will desire pastors who will tell them what they want to hear, rather than preaching what the Word of God has to say to all people.  Examining Osteen in the life class, there are numerous examples of sound doctrine being rejected and fable being given instead.
The Power of “I Am”

Joel Osteen False Prophet | Heresy Wolf in Sheep clothing.

The power is not in the words. It is with God.

Osteen in this portion of the class is using principles from his new book “I Declare.” What is being preached here is that a person has the power to affect change within themselves and attract success by using the phrase “I am..”

None of this is in the Bible. Notice there is no mention of God, Jesus Christ or the Gospel in anything that is being preached. Just like T.D. Jakes before him, Osteen is preaching a Christ-less Gospel that is completely centered on worldly, material gain.  According to Osteen speaking negative statements “sets the tone for your life” and attracts bad situations to your life and therefore we should not even make negative statements like “I am depressed” or “I am sad.” This once again, is the Law of Attraction at work.

Here is a quote from a New Age book  based on The Secret that explains the same principle Osteen is preaching:

“In this chapter we turn our attention to using our I AM power to make our hopes and dreams become part of our reality. Starting with a brief discussion of the 2006 book and movie, The Secret, we’ll examine the question of our roles as co-creators of our experience of reality… When you say I AM the rest of that sentence cannot but help become your reality. That is because one of the manifestations of God is God as Law, the Divine Law of Cause and Effect, which Buddhism calls karma.” – (The Power of I Am: Claiming Your Inherent Power To Consciously Create A Life of Purpose, Meaning and Joy, Dan Shafer).

Like The Secret, this book comes back to the conclusion that it is the individual person who can “be as God” and create their reality simply by reciting words that follow the phrase “I AM.”

If a person is facing life problems, Osteen’s solution is to just make positive statements. By simply repeating the phrase “I am confident” the insecure person will be “healed.” Lacking in creativity? Simply say “I am creative.” Beloved, this is not Biblical Christianity. Reciting words in a ritualistic fashion is not what God instructs.  The Bible tells Christians to bring all of our pain, hurt and suffering to God in prayer:

O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together.  I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.  This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. – Psalm 34:3-6.

 
 The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.  The righteous cry, and the Lord heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.  The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.  Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all. – Psalm 34:15-19.

 

I will call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies. The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.  The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.  In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears. – Psalm 18:3-6.

 

And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. – Psalm 50:15.

 

The God of the Bible is merciful, compassionate and yearns to hear the cries of His children. Rather than ignoring our pain, the Bible instructs to share the problems and struggles of life with The Lord who hears and answers prayer.  Compare this to Osteen who says the solution is all in the words you speak and their power. So by Osteen’s doctrine, the Bible passages above are all going to lead to more problems in your life since they are so “negative” and will “attract” more negativity.  This is not Biblical teaching. It is New Age witchcraft. Here are excerpts from articles teaching witchcraft that make it clear that the Law of Attraction is an occult practice:

“By formulating a witchcraft ritual you are creating and therefore taking responsibility for the circumstances of your life.  This is the main message that the Law of Attraction has been broadcasting.  The Law of Attraction is something that has been very familiar with witches for thousands of years as a very elementary teaching in witchcraft.  Now it’s time to take it to the next level.”  (source).

“I also teach Law of Attraction on its own for people who just want to learn that. However I believe the the two subjects really do belong together. Whenever you are casting a Wiccan spell you are using the Law of Attraction and whenever a Law of Attraction practitioner says an affirmation, he or she is really doing magick.” (source).

 

The Word of God strongly forbids any use of the occult or dabbling in witchcraft:

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God. – Deuteronomy 18:10-13.

Why would a Christian pastor bring New Age teachings to the church? What spirit is leading a Pastor who is not using the Bible as a guide but instead leaning on the same methods used by witches for centuries? Do not be deceived.

False Prophets | Joel Osteen Heresy on Oprah. New age Apostasy

The Bible warns Christians to beware of those who do not teach the Bible.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. – 2 Peter 2:1-3.

With a multimillion dollar media empire, Osteen has achieved unparalleled success teaching false doctrines. In the clip above he even says that determining your future is all a function of “the words you say today.” Compare Osteen’s teaching with The Secret:

If the words “I can’t afford it” have passed your lips, your power to change that is now. Change it with “I can afford that! I can buy that!” Say it over and over. Become like a parrot. For the next thirty days, make it your intention that you are going to look at everything you like and say to yourself, “I can afford that, I can buy that.” – (The Secret, p. 102).

Osteen is clearly teaching New Age mysticism over the Bible. There is nothing wrong with a Christian making negative statements. Prayer is to be honest and if a person is feeling pain, insecure, weak or tired of it all, God in Heaven wants to hear all those words. We are to lean on God to save us, not ourselves or magical words.  And for the person who is unsaved, salvation starts at the point that a person can say: “I am a sinner. I am guilty before God. I am in violation of God’s commandments.” Without those “negative” words, a person cannot receive free forgiveness that comes through faith in Jesus Christ.  When a person cries out to God, rather than “attract” negative situations, they draw closer to the Almighty Creator and His love for them.

Here is a clip of a woman who is clearly struggling with her faith. She says that she is “a child of God” but does not speak to God.

As with many of the students in Oprah’s class, they are truly seeking spiritual answers. This is fertile ground for a true Christian pastor to share the Gospel message of Jesus Christ. Yet once again, Osteen gives his “advice” without a mention of the Savior. He does not encourage the women to pray more, read the Bible or attend a church. He does not even make sure that she is truly born again. He merely tells her to “stay in faith” and does more “I am” affirmations with her. Again,  what he is teaching is that the power to change is within the person and not from God. This is the message of witchcraft and the New Age. Here is an excerpt from a New Age Yoga event that emphasized the Law of Attraction:

“The Law of Attraction states. . . ‘That which is like itself is drawn’. In other words, like attracts like. Your thoughts, your words, your feelings, your actions all put forth a specific energy vibration and thus attract to you that of like energy. . . whether it be positive or negative…
When you see something you would like to experience and you say, “yes, I would like to have that,” through your attention to it you invite it into your life experience. Likewise, when you see something that you do not want to experience and you say, “No, I do not want that,” you still invite it into your life. Where thoughts go, energy flows!” (source).

The Law of Attraction, which is precisely what Osteen is preaching is witchcraft. Here is another quote from a witchcraft blog that is in line with Osteen’s teaching:

“I truly understand the universal law of attraction / like attracts like. After all, that was pretty much the very first lesson in Witch School. The law of the Universe is that like attracts like. Whether that me positive or negative. Do, act, think, speak, write, positive & more positive energy will return to you. You get back, what you put out into the universe.” (source).

Thanks to Oprah Winfrey among others, New Age spirituality has seen an explosion in popularity in the past decade. Pastors should be protecting the flock and warning Christians about these false doctrines, not preaching them.

There is a way to healing in this world. There is joy that can be obtained before Heaven. But it starts with being born again through faith in Jesus Christ:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.  And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; – 2 Corinthians 5:17-18.

Once a person is born again, their eternal destiny is secure. The new Christian receives a new spirit (hence the phrase “born again”) that seeks to please God and live for Him. It is in this new birth that there can be a real joy. Because a Christian can look past their earthly condition and rejoice knowing that Heaven and eternal life await.  Jesus Christ confirmed this when He said:

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. – John 14:27.

The true peace comes when a person knows they are not facing eternal damnation. This is what Jesus Christ wants to share with the world. And it is a pastor’s job to spread this message so that people will believe. And instead of preaching the word, Osteen is promoting fables. How is this woman saying “I am worthy” going to save her soul? How is saying “I am valuable” going to bring her true peace? It won’t.

At the close of the class, Osteen, while promoting his book, again offers the advice that the power in life lies in the words someone says:

He tells the audience that if they are thinking any negative thoughts to “zip it up” and just not say them. And then he and Oprah close with more “I am” affirmations, encouraging the audience to repeat them every day, mantra-like, as the key to living a fulfilled life. Jesus Christ, in teaching how to pray, forbade Osteen’s methods: “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.” (Matthew 6:7-8).

In Osteen’s positive declarations, there is no mention of sin, forgiveness, eternal damnation or faith and eternal life. And absolutely no mention of the name Jesus Christ. It is just more declarations of your own greatness. In other words, the individual is the answer to their own problems. The solution and divinity all reside within.

Here, one of the many websites on wicca and witchcraft teaching these principles, mimics Osteen’s “preaching”:

“You can create your own affirmations for pretty much everything. Say you want a new job. You could use an affirmation like “I am getting a new job that I love.” Wanting to find a new partner in life? How about using “I will find my true love.” I started out using basic ones. I still use some of my original ones. “Calm” is one I use when I feel overwhelmed. Just one word that I repeat to myself. The biggest thing I do though is try to monitor the chatter in my mind. If a negative thought creeps in I try to dismiss it and replace it with a positive one. At first it can be time consuming, in time though you will wind up doing it naturally.

You are beautiful. You are amazing! You are perfect! You are you. and you are loved.” (source).

Jesus Christ, preaching during his Earthly ministry, gave a parable that summed up and exposed the heresy and blatant error of Osteen’s teachings:

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:  Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.  The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I AM not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.  I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.  And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.  I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. – Luke 18:9-14. [Emphasis added]

The Pharisee made an “I am” affirmation to boast of how great he was and his testimony was rejected by Jesus. But the publican was humble and spoke negatively – willing to speak the truth, that he was a sinner. He confessed that like all people, he had fallen short of the glory of God and deserved God’s wrath. And he cried out for God’s mercy.  And for this, he was exalted.

Joel Osteen I Declare | Heresy Oprah Winfrey - False Prophet

Declaring “bold affirmations” will not get you to Heaven.

As the church moves deeper into the apostasy it is more important than ever for Christians to stand on sound doctrine. There are many souls at stake. Heretical, New Age mystics like Joel Osteen are filling pews every week and have audiences of millions through television and the internet. But he is not preaching the real Gospel. He is preaching a false doctrine that will tickle the ear, but ultimately lead to damnation. Do not be deceived. Pray for these apostate pastors to turn back to God, repent and preach the Bible. And pray for their congregations to use Biblical discernment to see the truth of the Bible over “positive affirmations”, the Law of attraction and other fables.  Romans 1:16 says: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;”

There is a power in words. But it is in the words of God when they are spoken to point people to Jesus Christ. For Christians, use this power and share the good news of forgiveness of sins and eternal life in Jesus Christ. If you are not a believer, take the time to learn the Gospel and cry out to God for forgiveness for the sins you know you have committed. Pray and say the “negative affirmation” that you are indeed a sinner but believe that there is forgiveness for those who put their faith in Jesus Christ. And The Lord  will exalt you in eternity.

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  1. Andrea Latham says:

    I am……. a sinner and thank you…GOD for the cross!

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    • Andrea Latham:
      I am……. a sinner and thank you…GOD for the cross!

      Andrea..If you have received Christ then why would you consider yourself a sinner.This is a new age lie which is designed to make christians ok with sinning but not one scripture from Matthew to revelation calls christians sinners.As a matter of fact the bible tells us in 1st john chapter 3 that he who sins is of the devil” and does not know God.Paul said in romans ch 6:2″how are we who are dead to sin live any longer in sin”..Psalm ch 1 says “blessed is the man who stands not in the ways of sinners”..The bible never ever states that we should consider ourselves sinners.Many people mis-undrestand 1st john ch 1 “if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves…”The problem is that people fail to see that he is speaking in past tense as seen in verse 10 “if we say we have not sinned”He did not say “if we say we do not sin”..he said”if we say we have not sinned..thats past tense..The same writer states clearly in the 3rd chapter that sin is of the devil and those who sin do not know God…why would you want to be counted among sinners…

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      • Hi Dane, I don’t think the question should be,,,,, is Andrea counting herself among sinners is not the right question to be asking. It seems your counting yourself among the sinless. Is that true? Are you saying your not a sinner? Please name others, besides Christ Himself, that are on the sinless list like you?

        And then because Joyce Meyers, Jesse Duplantis and other Word of Faith teachers have claimed to be sinless (a claim they both made and backed out of later after scrutiny) – we can talk about complete sanctification and sinless perfection and if it is even possible for Christians to become sinless. Charles Finny said he knew one man that might have been fully sanctified – how many have you meet?

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        • You don’t seem to have a firm grasp of the English Language.If you “read” and “comprehend” what was written You wouldn’t be putting a moot question forward on a serious subject. To simplify; All faithful Christians “have sinned” and now have Faith in Jesus, the Disciples of Satan “are sinners” and turn their backs on God’s word and /or have no faith in Jesus. Know Jesus,Know Peace,No Jesus,No Peace

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      • Luk 18:9-14 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. he Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

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      • In response to Dane. Hi everyone! I disagree with you that Christians don’t sin. When the Word states we don’t sin it is meaning that we don’t practice sin. There is total difference between committing a sin and staying in that sin and making a practice of it. When we do fall short and sin we need to repent of that sin (in the name of Jesus) and go forward cleansed of our sin again. It is true that God sees each of us, that have accepted Jesus as our Savior, as perfect through the blood of Jesus Christ His Son!

        1 John Chapter one and first two verses of Chapter two helps us to understand. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. This teaching of John is to Christians. John is encouraging these Christians to not sin. However, if they do (praise God) we have a advocate (lawyer) Jesus Jesus stood in for us and took our sins on the cross. However, do not get the idea that it is ok to sin knowing that God is there to forgive through Jesus. We are looking for bad trouble when we do that. John is speaking to us that we do all we can to be sinless, but if we do fall short, praise God, Jesus took on our sins and we can repent and go forward again. What a merciful and loving God we serve!
        Thanks and Gods’ Blessings to all! Dr. Gary

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        • Very biblical reply Dr. Gary…..great answer as well Damon……Can you imagine preachers like this…..standing before a HOLY God??? WOW……I would hate to be in there shoes……because their punishment is going to be HUGE…….God is Just……righteous in His judgments…..Praise be to God!

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        • Todd1966 says:

          @ Dr.Gary,: I agree 100%…..Amen.
          On another note, Joel does mention God at 1:01 in the video, but I do believe that is the only time. Joel is a “feel good” preacher. I used to like to watch him until I put the comments I’ve been hearing about him to the test. I really enjoy Dr. Charles Stanley the most. He speaks the truth and from the Bible always! He is very down to earth.

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          • Todd1966 says:

            Update: Joel does mention God several times and the Bible in the second video. Maybe some people are trying to be too critical for some reason???

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            • He might mention God, but his teachings are still New Age and its bad enough he seems buddy buddy with Oprah the queen of New Age. He never mentions that we need a Savior and that is part of the job of a Pastor, even Billy Graham has more guts to do that. Which side are you on?

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            • I John 8 : If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves & the truth is not in us” . That is critical enough, for they ,Jesus, Apostles & the Prophets preached against sin & were Martyred for it even so the two prophesied witnesses in the latter days are martyred for the same reasons The Joel Osteens & friends it seems will have nothing of this, except making chocolates to the desire of itching ears, to the Prophecy.

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          • Hi Todd, no one here (I don’t think) has made an issue out of Joel not mentioning God. I think it is one of the biggest issues with him but the topic of this post is Joel teaching occult doctrine.

            It’s hard to believe but Joel sometimes does mention God to edit Jesus out. Case in point, in his book I DECLARE Joel says that when Lakewood bought the Compaq Center to turn it into the new Lakewood Church the engineers told him it would cost many millions more to renovate the place than had been previously estimated. Joel said he had bad thoughts but chose to to “prophecy his future” by voicing his thoughts and instead relied on God who is called Jehovah Jirah which means God will provide. But that name of God comes from Genesis 22 where God provided a ram for Abraham in place of Issac to sacrifice. Jehovah Jirah does not mean that God will provide millions for a church renovation. It meant that God will provide a lamb to be slain for the sins of the world. But instead of taking a great opportunity in his book to tell people about their sins and need of a savior (which tragically he never does), Joel instead tries to make that name of God mean that He will provide anything we have enough faith to speak and believe positively for. There are many more examples in Joel books that could be made where Joel does about the same thing. Here is a radio program where they give a review of Joel latest book I declare. They do a good job and it will be worth you time to listen to it.

            Be blessed and have a great one.

            http://issuesetc.org/2012/10/19/2-a-review-of-joel-osteens-new-book-i-declare-pr-jeremy-rhode-101912/

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      • I have not read his book nor follow him on TV but what Joel seems to be promoting is the power of positive thinking. It has biblical roots. For one Jesus said: As a man thinks in his heart so is he. There are many others. Apart from God this is just modern new age thinking. But Gods principles can work with unbelievers too. A positive man will surely succeed more often that one who is constantly negative. But this thinking does not lead to eternal life. One must trust in Christ and his shed blood for the remission of our sins. To deny we sin is foolish. Even those who try and try to be positive will eventually fail and often. Oprah herself admits this. Positive thinking does not cure us of our inherited sin or our sinful nature. BUT Joel Osteen does believe in the cross and repentance and I do not believe he is heretical.

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      • The fact is that Christians are given a new nature when they are born again but Christians still have their old nature and STILL sin they just sin less than the world. To say that we never sin is wrong and makes God a liar.

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        • Carly,I give you this-Whoever is born of God does not commit sin for His seed remains in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God.1st Jn 3;9……this is one of many which speak to the point that we are not sinners if we are truly born of God…So I challenge you to provide scripture that says that we are sinners just like the world,but we just sin less..

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          • For a fallen man to be born off the Spirit is something like this—”Miracles need not necessarily lead to salvation but his words “The many that I love I Rebuke & Chastise” this for a sure leads to the salvation to His words “Only them drawn to me by My Father will I receive” Like in a dream by the Spirit where a time bomb is strapped on the shoulders of a person which but to reflect the words “My Yoke is easy & my Burden is light” nevertheless highly effective . In short through his works we become born in Him by the Spirit to say “them born of the Spirit cannot sin”. .

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      • 1 JOHN 1:10-If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

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      • 1 Timothy 1:15 (KJV) ~ This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. WE ARE SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE

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    • I give thanks and glory to the great I AM. Thank you Jesus Christ for your work on the cross!

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  2. Thank you B&E, beautiful article. I just have one question/concern. Is this the same as in, example : a fellow Christian friend is coughing and sneezing and I say, gosh it sounds like you’re catching a cold. My friend says DONT SPEAK THAT OVER ME, I rebuke .that in the name of Jesus. I hope this doesn’t sound confusing but I notice that more and more people say stuff like that then I feel guilty for replying with my conclusion. And now I find myself saying this same very principle to my kids. Like oh, ” don’t say that, it might happen, or don’t say

    bad stuff about you’re self”. Im just a little confused because pastors say don’t call those things as they are but as they should be… is this wrong? ?

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    • HI jameecia,

      Here is a great video by Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason ministry that might be helpful to you. He addresses your concern specifically.about being fearful of saying the wrong things.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C7SbUSkNQUs

      Check out this comment at the YouTube video page.

      gmjsimmons – “Thanks Greg. Before I was a Christian, I had been involved in the occult. After conversion I participated in the Charismatic movement and noted that some of their ideas were more magic than Christian. Some Charismatics believed that properly applied faith was supposed to get you things that you wanted. That idea always seemed more like my old occult belief than the new way of thinking I found in the Bible and Christ.”

      I was in a Charismatic Church that was becoming Word of Faith for about 8 months back in 85. And I run a groupblog of mostly ex-Word of Faithers that post on the WoF. And I have studied, written and posted on the WoF for about 3 1/2 years now. So you might enjoy my additional comments on my posting of Koukl’s video here.

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2013/02/27/greg-koukl-says-word-of-faithpower-of-words-teaching-is-occultic/

      I also just spent about 5 hours responding to Todd’s comments below. My response turned out to be way too long for this comment section so I had to post my response there. But I share why I am so so passionate about this issue there – it’s really trajic. Here is a link to that lengthy response.

      PROVERBS 18:21 – Are There Really Life and Death In The Power Of Words? (dedicated to Kenneth Shoebrook)

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2013/03/02/proverbs-1821-are-there-really-life-and-death-in-the-power-of-words/

      If you don’t have time to read my writing to Todd, please read these two other articles on our groupblog by someone else about this issue, as they are the best two on our site about it.

      The Power of the Spoken Word – Biblical or Occult Law? PART 1

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/04/18/the-power-of-the-spoken-word-%e2%80%93-biblical-or-occult-law-part-1/

      The Power of the Spoken Word – Biblical or Occult Law? PART 2

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/04/18/the-power-of-the-spoken-word-%e2%80%93-biblical-or-occult-law-part-2/

      On the first post above there is over a dozen other links to writings on this topic and about 5 of them are written by Ex-WoFers. None of those are researched and written as well as the one on this page by B&E, but they are still good and give some Ex-WoF insight and some quotes from Occult, New Age, and Witchcraft sites and books. There is even one by an Ex-WoFer that was also formally a Witch. That one might really interest you so I’ll post it here as well.

      Ex-Word of Faith Testimony: Ex-WoFer is also a Former Witch who says The Word of Faith is Witchcraft

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2013/02/07/ex-word-of-faith-testimony-ex-wofer-is-also-a-former-witch-who-says-the-word-of-faith-is-witchcraft/

      We also have over 50 testimonies – most from Ex-Wofers, others from some who have been drastically effected by WoF teaching – on our Testimony page here. I often get told those testimonies are the most helpful part of our groupblog to those still in, or strongly influenced, by the WoF.

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/testimony-page/

      Have a great day there ma’am. And be blessed and cautious. Not so much about the words you speak, but of error in teaching. :-)

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      • jameccia says:

        Thank you Damon I will check out your links….

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      • jameccia says:

        OK I see. Thank you so much for pointing in the right direction. Seems so elementary and I so how confused it. LOL I like the fact that the man in the video didn’t preach this at me but taught the message.

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    • Hi Jameccia,

      Like Damon, I have been in church circles in the past where that exact phrase was used (“Don’t speak that over me..” “Speak prosperity into your life!”, etc.). It is just a spin of the same idea Osteen is preaching. We do not attract health, illness or suffering by just speaking about it. Ilness and suffering are a consequence of the cursed world we live in. And as Christians we are to seek God in prayer for the solution to it.

      So we do not have to fear telling someone they seem sick if they are sneezing and hacking up a storm. They probably are sick and should get some soup, juices and cold medicine!

      When we are scared, hurt, bitter or worried, we can take all these things to The Lord. We can speak them aloud and pronounce it. We can share our pain with those who care about us. That is a part of being a friend, sister or brother. So do not hesitate in this because of a fear that you will “attract” more calamity. And never have that fear with saying negative things to God.

      ” Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.” – 1 Peter 5:7.

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      • jameccia says:

        Thank you B&E! I truly treasure your thoughts, opinions, comments, articles, and guidance. You have such a way of showing people the correct way of seeing a matter without being overbearing, but with love and compassion. I can only pray that God blesses me with your kind ofGodly wisdom and discernment. Thanx again! And I love your comment section. I’ll stop now but you’re website is awesome.

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      • Words have the ability to encourage, hurt, impact, curse, or began destruction. See Eph 4:29, Matt. 12:36-37, & Prov. 18:20-21. Throughout the Bible we are instructed to be careful w/ what we say, how we say it, to tame our tongue, & informed of the power & dangers of spoken words. See Lk 6:45, Jm 1:26, Jm. 3:2-21 & Prov. 15:28.
        Confessing the Word of God over your life is essential for every believer of Christ. If the doctor gives you a bad report, you should not declare what the doctor said as truth, it’s a fact. By confessing & believing what the Word of God says about you & your health & not what the doctor says dont mean one’s in denial regarding his/her circumstances. Rather trusting in what the Word of God says through faith. Why wld you say “I have cancer” or “I’m dying from cancer”, then I healed by Jesus’ strips
        this act wld be counterproductive.
        Prov. 16:23-24, Prov. 13:2-3, Prov. 12:18, & Prov. 15:4.

        “New Age” religion like many other religions & systems take principles & teachings from the Bible then put their spin on it. This is why it is easy for may Christians (not only believers) to get confused, lead astray, or influenced by false teachings. To eliminate/reduce confusion, I encourage all born-again believers to (1) have/maintain an intimate relationship w/ God through Christ, (2) be impacted by Christ’s resurrection, (3) experience Him daily, (4) read and study the Bible daily – the Holy Spirit will give you revelation, knowledge & understanding, (5) Imitate/reflect Christ; desire to be Christ-like til we are conformed in His image & (6) stop idolizing preachers, persons in authority, celebrities & etc.

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        • Hello there Tiffani, to respond to your response is hard but I will try. I used to debate heavily with “Church of Christ” members over the issue of “Is Baptism required to be saved”. Those that proficiently advanced that Baptism is required had about 15-20 verses that when taken out of context, the rest of the bible ignored and their spin put on those 15-20 verses – seemed very compellingly to teach that Baptism is required “for the remission of sin”. But when you get to examining their proof text it becomes clear that those who advocate that position would do well to learn a few new technical words, if they don’t already know them. Those would be Iesegesis, Exogesis and Contextomy. Here is some defintions that light help .

          Iesegesis and Exegesis – “Eisegesis (from Greek εἰς “into” as opposed to exegesis from ἐξηγεῖσθαι “to lead out”) is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that it introduces one’s own presuppositions, agendas, and/or biases into and onto the text. The act is often used to “prove” a pre-held point of concern to the reader and to provide him or her with confirmation bias in accordance with his or her pre-held agenda. Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. While exegesis draws out the meaning from a text in accordance with the context and discover-able meaning of its author, eisegesis occurs when a reader imposes his or her interpretation into and onto the text. As a result, exegesis tends to be objective when employed effectively while eisegesis is regarded as highly subjective. An individual who practices eisegesis is known as an eisegete, as someone who practices exegesis is known as an exegete. The term “eisegete” is often used in a mildly derogatory fashion. Although the term exegesis is commonly heard in association with Biblical interpretations, the term is broadly used across literary disciplines.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisegesis

          Contextomy – “The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as “contextomy” or “quote mining”, is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning”.

          The reason these words help people see the obvious – that is if you start with a presupposition, go and take passages, verses, phrases and words out of direct and total context; you can the Bible or any book say just about anything you want it to say. But the main rule of language interpretation is – because text without context is pretext- to Iesegete (bring out) the original authors intent and meaning out of the whole and rightly divided text. So is case of those that use 15-20 verses to say that Christians must be baptized to be saved – none of those verses actually say that – and there are over 32,000 verses in the whole of the bible with hundreds of them speaking directly on salvation. But to fit the preconception that baptism is required for salvation those have to be ignored to appear to support baptismal regeneration.

          So when looking at all the prooftext you have posted one thing must be asked when considering them. Was the author saying words have power if the sense that they are influential (as you indicate in your first sentences verb usage) or are they magical in the sense that they have creative power? Because after all “God spoke everything into being so maybe we can speak things into being too”. Or is that a false presupposition.

          Are these two sentences exegeted out of scripture or iesegeted onto scripture?

          “Confessing the Word of God over your life is essential for every believer of Christ”

          AND

          “New Age religion like many other religions & systems take principles & teachings from the Bible then put their spin on it.”

          OR………

          are those actually presuppositions that Word of Faith teachers have enforced onto the text, out of context, and you have picked the interpretation of those verses up for them because your myopically focused on these WoF presuppositions. So are you really inferring that belief in the word of God and His promises to us are not good enough and that those promises have to be activated with our confession. Or can we count on those promised because God is God and He is faithful and just to remain faithful even when we are not?

          You basically say the same things as Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and Paul Crouch here. Can you give me Bible for this,, or are we safe to say that the principle here is not biblical but a WoF preconception?

          Benny Hinn claims the Holy Spirit told him, “…that if witches and occultists can speak death by the supernatural power of words, then Christian can speak life and prosperity by the same power.” The Facts on the Faith Movement, J. Ankerberg & J. Weldon, Harvest House, 1993, p.23 Copyright ©2008
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          Benny Hinn: “Witches even..I mean..I’m not here to talk about witches but, but I’ll tell you this.“
          Paul Crouch: “They..they under they know the secret.“
          Benny Hinn: “,,,because see I had a witch tell me this. And I said what!? She said, listen to me, she said do you know that we are taught in witchcraft how to kill birds with words, and how to kill people with our mouth. I said what do you mean kill people? She said we are taught with words to bring disease on men. I said how? She said by speaking certain words (unintelligible) she said we can actually cause sickness that could very well kill.” Christianity in Crisis (audiobook), tape II, side 3.
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          COPELAND: Jesus said that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and that’s when the action takes place because that is when the spiritual force is brought up out of the mouth – whether it be fear or whether it be faith – and when that spiritual force comes out, it is going to give substance to that image that is inside of you. People say, ‘that is that New Age visualization stuff’. The New Age is trying to do this. And they get somewhat results out of it because it is a spiritual law. (Believer’s Voice of Victory (television program), TBN, 28 March 1991.)

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          • You imply that my interpretation is flawed bc I erred in my interpretation & quoted scripture out of context/distorted it to impose my interpretation. The same cld be argued abt you. When I read the Word I take into consideration the following: (1) who is the author(s), (2) the audience, (3) aim, & (4) context in which it is written. I also ask Jesus to give me wisdom, revelation, knowledge, &understanding. I’m not one to use the Bible to justify my beliefs or actions but for correction, instruction, & growth. I don’t add & subtract nor pick & choose what to receive or apply from the Word . We have to believe God for who He is & take His Word as it is. Confessions are an act of faith that demonstrates we believe God’s promises will manifest & this world doesn’t dictate or limit us nor what God can do.

            Prayer is one of the ways we release the will of God upon the earth. Knowing the Word comes by studying it. Daniel was effective at praying bc he knew the Word of God concerning His ppl. (Dan. 9:2-3) We shld pray w/ understanding (1 Cor 14:15). The words we speak are spirit & life (Jn 6:63). Isaiah 55:8 tells us to articulate the thoughts of God by praying & confessing His Word. God’s Word released through our tongue will cause His power to manifest in our lives. Words are used to convey our thoughts & our actions are a result of our thoughts. Faith requires action – it cld be said faith one form of action. Yes, “Confessing the Word of God over your life is essential for every believer of Christ.” Christianity is called the great confession. Salvation comes from confessing with the mouth. The mouth is connected to the heart. The Word of God released from our mouth will be planted in our heart. Faith is released by action (i.e. speaking the Word, obedience, praying, trusting in God despite our circumstances, being still, & etc.) Jesus taught us that our faith is released through our words (Mk 11:23). Faith-filled words can move mountains. Our faith is key to seeing miracles & breakthrough on a consistent basis.

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          • Lets see if this will go to if I post it here since I cannot respond directly to her last comment.
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            Hi and Thanks for the response Tiffani. I’m sorry if I implied anything with saying it firmly. I did mean to imply that your taking verses out of context as your WoF teachers have taught you to do. I meant to be really forthright about it. But to also emphasize non-WoF teaching against WoF teaching rather than non-WoFer against WoFer. Yes the same thing could be said about me in one sense, in that I hold to the non-WoF position and you to the WoF position. Like I said “So when looking at all the prooftext you have posted one thing must be asked when considering them. Was the author saying words have power if the sense that they are influential (as you indicate in your first sentences verb usage) or are they magical in the sense that they have creative power? Because after all “God spoke everything into being so maybe we can speak things into being too”. Or is that a false presupposition.”

            You never answered that question relative to any verses you have reference, nor have you given us scriptural backing for……..

            “Confessing the Word of God over your life is essential for every believer of Christ”

            AND

            “New Age religion like many other religions & systems take principles & teachings from the Bible then put their spin on it.”

            ……. like I requested. So I think it is safe to say the WoF paradigm is not backed by scripture but by imposing WoF (really occultic) preconceptions onto the bible. You may not be adding but all WoF teachers certainly do. The whole WoF distinctive of Power of Words/ Confession teaching is that faith is redefined as a force or spiritual law – as opposed to simple trust – thus adding to scripture. Every major name WoF teachers you can bring up – including Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen – can be easily proven to teaching that very thing.

            In one sence you, Hinn, Copeland and Crouch are right. Satan and his minions do try to copy God. But there are limts to that. And with the WoF it is not a matter of Satan copying what God does but getting Gods children to copy what he – Satan – tries to copy from God. See God is God and only His words (or confession if you must) have power because He is the Lord God, The Creator of heaven and earth and all things. He needs no faith, no force and no spiritual law to tap into to create. The idea that there is power in things like spiritual laws and forces IS the very very essence of the occult. To get his people to try to copy God Satan throws at his children these laws and redefinition of faith at them and tells them they don’t need God because they are little gods (Most WoF teachers teaching this common WoF presupposition too).

            Because I was once Charismatic and almost became a WoFer except I had already had to study the occult because my Uncle is a Mormon bishop and Mormonisms founder Joseph Smith was a freemason – so I already had a big big Clue in advance that the WoF stuff is really occultism and witchcraft veiled in Christian terms.

            But we can go back and forth all day. How about we look at the Scriptures you have posted. Like with the 15-20 verses that Church of Christ’ers use to say you have to be baptized to be saved, I have looked intently at the 20 -30 scriptures WoF teachers use out of context to teach their aberrant and heretical non-Christian occult based doctrine that has a distinct historical line of being brought into Christianity through EW Kenyon and popularized Kennth Haggin.

            In your first paragraph here you list 7-8 scriptures. Lets deal with those first, if you’re up to it. Please expound on the verses you used here and tell us why they mean what the WoF teaching says they mean.

            “Words have the ability to encourage, hurt, impact, curse, or began destruction. See Eph 4:29, Matt. 12:36-37, & Prov. 18:20-21. Throughout the Bible we are instructed to be careful w/ what we say, how we say it, to tame our tongue, & informed of the power & dangers of spoken words. See Lk 6:45, Jm 1:26, Jm. 3:2-21 & Prov. 15:28.”

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        • Confuse not manifestation with channeling, just as regeneration is confused with reincarnation
          Like when God talks He creates His words into the mind & to this there is no medium, where as man as also the devil requires a medium, to the words “The Prince of the power of Air—-” Unto people like Moses specifically God put His word into his mouth & hence were Living words to the specific tasks, in contrast to saying “Using the word of god which is nothing but trying to Channel the word from god through misinterpretations, last but not the least, If anyone were to stand in front of Him in His Glory, such thoughts would not even cross ones mind. For even the god of this world standing before Him does not speak unless spoken to.. Finally confuse Him not as a man sitting crossed legged in the OM’s & Avum’s to chanting “Love & Fresh air”. to all those stalwarts saying god told me this & god told me that.

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          • raffaella librandi says:

            Joel Osteen is the Pastor of Lakewood Church, the biggest congregation in America for a reason. His preaching of the Bible is simple and gets right to the heart of his christian followers all over the world . Joel Olsteen always mentions God & Jesus in all that he preaches, just read his books. I have :))))))
            He says that all these positive affirmations take effect when you live in faith……. faith in God and Jesus. Words are very powerful and when spoken, they go out into the spiritual world of which Jesus is the master, Jesus is our saviour, redeemer and miracle worker. Joel Olsteen is not a false prophet as is suggested above.

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          • The name Jesus can be said in the Spirit as well as in the flesh, but when said in the Flesh is to the corruptions of the mind, when Jesus becomes another Jesus & the Gospel becomes another Gospel, which is but saying the truth is to the world ,conforms to the ways of the world when actually Jesus said just the opposite “My kingdom is not of this world, so is the peace”. To the likes of Joel’s, preaching the prosperity & the well being, fine as it seems, to large gatherings except to the millions of poor & suffering, who have no cause to live in this world, but still do for the one reason which is the Hope, these people cannot equate with these prosperity & feel good preachings & feel alienated, taking away their only thread to life The Hope, a great crime these preachers in the gatherings of the itching ears do. But to Know God who is said to be long suffering Himself equates with these poor & sufferings ones, through the sufferings, & this is what the Son of God himself did to his way., quiet contrary to these half preaching “Elitists”, confirming with the Bible Prophecies to the false preachers., for they disregard that the purpose off this life even in all the poverty & suffering, is to the salvation.

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    • Reply to Jameccia: When the lady said that she rebuked what you said, she sounded fanatical and yet she is correct in her practice of how she talks. Proverbs 18:21 states: Life and Death is in the POWER of the tongue and those who love it will eat it’s fruit. Most of know when we have cancer or even a bad cold, but those of us that understand that Prov 18:21 means what it says, are cautious to how we speak.

      We don’t want people to speak negative things about us because of that scripture. Maybe this will help you to understand how to be honest and yet be positive in your speaking. If I were to have a disease I would only tell those that I could trust to pray for me in a positive way, first of all. The ones that I did tell about it, I would probably state something like this: “The doctor says that have a disease, but I declare that the healing that I received through the stripes of Jesus (Isaiah 53:5 and 1 Peter 2:24) is manifested.” We need to always quote scripture for whatever circumstance we are in. If we are in a lack of money we could quote Luke 6:38 “Because I’ve given, it will be given back to me pressed, shaken together and running over, men will give into my bosom.” God has the power to bring us help however He choose, but He chooses to bring it by man most of the time. It sets an example of how Jesus served and that is what He wants us to do; help each other. Just remember to not speak negative and to speak positive and always in the name of Jesus.

      Our power to speak what we want comes from Holy Spirit that God the Father sent to us through Jesus Christ His Son and our Savior! That’s the problem with what Pastor Joel Olsteen and Ophra are teaching. They are teaching to speak by our power and leaving out in the name of Jesus. Jesus is our power. Phil. 4:13 We can do all things through Jesus who strengthens us. Col. 3:17 All that you do in deed or word, do it in the name of Jesus and give thanks to the Father through Jesus Christ!
      Speaking positive is something me and my wife are still working on. We correct each other in a loving way. And restate what we just said in a positive way.

      Research has shown that when we tell a child “Don’t play in the street;” that the child’s mind registers “Play in the street.” And state “stay off the stairs” not “Don’t play on the stairs.” I learned this later in life. I think I now understand why my son kept doing what I told him not to do, because I should have been telling him what to do. Stating the positive is easy it’s just a new life style we need to practice and get used to doing. You’ll find it worth changing! Remember: Life and Death is in the power of the tongue; that’s not what I said, that’s scripture. I hope this has been of help and remember that God loves us more than we can understand, even in our imperfection! God Bless! Dr. Gary

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      • Hi Dr. Gary, I appreciate your tone with Jameecia and the love shown within your post but I have to heartily disagree with you. I hope I can show the same love while doing so. I may respond to the rest of your post later but first I would like to try to get you to examine all of Proverbs 18.

        There are two ways verse 21 can be interpreted and applied, that being 1. literal and 2.non-literal/metaphorical.

        Traditionally the verse has been interpreted and applied non-literally. And I think for good reason. But the WoF paradigm tends toward a literal translation which would be that there is literally life and death in the power of the tongue so we have to be careful what we speak because what we say will come to pass. So if you say your head hurts so bad you think you might die you’re in jeopardy of killing yourself with your own words, so be careful of because you will possess what you confess. It’s like believing that words spoken in faith in Jesus name are magical. But the historical non-literal/metaphorical interpretation and application is that the phrase “Life and death are in the tounge” is a hyperbolic figure of speech that merely means that words are influential so that they can be used for good or bad as in you can hurt people and tear them down with words (bring death) or you can build them up and bring life to them.

        So the question that must be asked in interpreting this verse is are words,,, magical or merely influential? I can count about 15 indicators from the context of proverbs 18 that verse 21 means that words are merely influential and are not magical. But yet I see nothing from the context that words are magical. But yet the context repeatedly shows words are influential.

        I know Word of Faith teachers use other passages to bolster their interpretation of Proverbs 18:21, but for now can you show me any indicators or anything from the context that Words are magical and that there is literally power of life and death in the tongue?

        Here is the whole passage for you to point those indicators out to Jameecia and the rest of us. Thanks and God Bless brother.

        Pro 18:1 Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom. Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. Pro 18:3 When the wicked cometh, then cometh also contempt, and with ignominy reproach. Pro 18:4 The words of a man’s mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook. Pro 18:5 It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow the righteous in judgment. Pro 18:6 A fool’s lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. Pro 18:7 A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul. Pro 18:8 The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly. Pro 18:9 He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster. Pro 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe. Pro 18:11 The rich man’s wealth is his strong city, and as an high wall in his own conceit. Pro 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility. Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. Pro 18:14 The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear? Pro 18:15 The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge. Pro 18:16 A man’s gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men. Pro 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. Pro 18:18 The lot causeth contentions to cease, and parteth between the mighty. Pro 18:19 A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle. Pro 18:20 A man’s belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled. Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. Pro 18:22 Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD. Pro 18:23 The poor useth intreaties; but the rich answereth roughly. Pro 18:24 A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.

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      • Hi again Dr. Gary. I forgot to add this video to the post. I posted it above to Jameecia but wanted to make sure you seen it too. What do you think?

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        • Hi Bro Damon!

          Thanks for your kind comments. It’s great to be able to disagree and do it with the love of God toward each other. Yes, I watched the video and you asked me to comment on it.

          In my earlier comments, I explained that our words have no power if from us (that is when spoken in a spiritual way). It should be obvious to us that people that speak positive function better even if they are lost in sin, but they are still doomed to hell if they don’t receive Jesus as their Savior! Who of you enjoys being around someone that is always speaking negative? We shouldn’t have a problem with teaching about speaking positive, but when it is brought into the spiritual realm, we should explain that the power we have in our speaking comes from Holy Spirit that is sent to us from Father God! John 20:22 Jesus breathed on the disciples and they received Holy Spirit. Luke 24:49 and Acts 1:8 Jesus tells them to go a wait in Jerusalem for the “power” of Holy Spirit, which came to them in Acts 2:4. Same Holy Spirit, but the “power” of Holy Spirit came in Acts 2:4 and God wants us all to function in that power! That’s the power we need when speaking what we want in the name of Jesus!

          Mr. Kouki states that words are powerless. He uses the sons of Sceva to show how they spoke to the demon and the demon asked them who they were; if I recall they said that they knew Jesus and Paul, but who are you? As the story goes the demon attacked the seven brothers and they ran away naked and wounded. Please, understand their words had no effect or power because they were speaking on their own. Let us look at the other side of this coin. Jesus set the example for us over and over when He commanded demons to come out and they did. His disciples commanded demons to come out and they did. Jesus spoke to the wind, while His disciples were in fear on the boat and the storm ceased. He didn’t think for the storm to stop, He commanded it to stop! And He rebuked them for not having the faith to do it! Peter and another disciple were on their way to the temple and told a cripple “silver and gold I have none, but get up and walk in the name of Jesus!” And he took the man by the hand and the man jumped up leaping. Again, Peter spoke a loud what he wanted and it happened. He was working under the power of Holy Spirit that came in Acts 2:4 and he knew that God would heal the man!

          Mark 11:22-24 Tells us to speak, believe and not doubt and we can have what we say. We have other scriptures stating to ask and you will receive. By the way, two meanings for the word “ask” in Greek are to “demand” or “require.” 1 John 5:14 (paraphrasing) we can ask what we want and we will get it if it is the will of God. Don’t most of us, when praying, say Amen at the end? Amen means “so be it.” We’ve commanded it to be done in the name of Jesus; not by our power but the power of Holy Spirit who God sent to us through His Son Jesus! Again, speaking a loud what we want!

          My wife and I have performed deliverance on others (cast out demons) just as Jesus and His disciples did. We didn’t think about it or ponder it, we commanded them to come out in the name of Jesus. This is performed by others many times and is common practice among those who believe that it can be done.

          My wife and I worked in the “Healing Rooms” that originated in Spokane, Wa. God hasn’t put these healing rooms all over the world to be a mockery to Him; people are healed. God works however He wishes. God is looking for someone who will do what He asks of them and He will give us the faith if we choose to use it. Some were healed immediately and others over a period of time. We didn’t think about their being healed or beg God for their healing. We did as Jesus said in Mark 11:22-24. We spoke for them to be healed in the name of Jesus. Remember, Jesus set the example for us when He was here on earth, will send us the power of Holy Spirit if we will only accept Him! Then we can function as Holy Spirit leads us. And if we are in His will, the demons will come out and sick and diseased will be healed when we speak it in the name of Jesus! Again, if the person isn’t healed immediately, don’t be concerned, you’ve done as the Word commands you to do; the rest is up to God. Again, everyone at the “Healing Rooms” aren’t healed immediately and when Jesus healed they weren’t always healed immediately; check out the scriptures where Jesus healed.

          What I discuss, with all of you reading this, is not only scriptures that I feel that I can prove what I believe, but it is a lifestyle. Look at what Jesus told His disciples (and we now) in Mark 16:15-18 “Go make disciples of all nations, etc. The first thing He told them they would be doing is casting out demons, speaking in other tongues, that serpents would not hurt us, drank anything deadly and it will not harm you and lay hands on the sick and they will recover. The reason few are doing those things is because we refuse to allow Holy Spirit to work through us to get the job performed. And this doesn’t mean to start handling rattle snakes and drinking poison! However, there have been people that have drank poison not knowing what it was, that was given to them intending for them to die by someone else and God allowed no harm to come to them. We we are spiritually where we need to be in our relationship with Jesus the Christ, the devil cannot touch us. The devil can only do to us what God allows; read the book of Job.

          There is much more that I could share about miracles that God is still performing, but don’t want to get too lengthy. It’s so exciting what we see happening when we accept the “power” of Holy Spirit. It’s soooooooo much more rewarding than what I experienced previously. I was saved and if I had died I would have gone to heaven, but I’d never want to go back to functioning without the “power” of Holy Spirit.

          One last comment: If what we call “Prosperity Preachers” are teaching the word about tithing and the giving of offerings, they are teaching what is scripture. Read Malachi chapters 3-8. And Jesus confirms tithing (giving to church where you attend) in new testament. Tithing is easy to understand how much to give as it is 10%. How do we know what offerings to give if we don’t have a relationship with God to hear from Him in how much He wants us to give? And tithing is on all of our first increase whether it be what we’re earning or what is given to us. Giving where God promises us to be blessed is from what we give other than tithing. Tithing is God’s automatically and we do it to be obedient, being the main reason. Of course, all that we have is God”s. What we give when He tells us to give money to someone, for example, is what He returns blessings on us. That is what the “Prosperity Preachers” should be preaching. Sending our tithes to other than the church God has placed us, is not scriptural. I’d be sure God is speaking to me before I send money to other than my own church! If you knew how some of the TV evangelists are spending their money (might be your money), you’d probably realize it isn’t God telling you to send it!

          Gods Blessings to all of you! God loves you and so do I? Yes, we can even love those we don’t even know and haven’t seen! But only because Jesus first loved us! I pray for those that I don’t know exist as well as others; know that I’m praying for you. Jesus is waiting for each of you to just receive Him as you Savior. Study your Bible, pray and spend time just being quiet and listening for God to impart into you. He will guide us in every step or our lives daily, if we will only obey Him. You’ll never regret it!!! And always remember what Paul tells us about LOVE in chapter 13 of 1 Corinthians.

          Any prayer requests, questions or comments please, contact me either on this site or at: sogoforGodm@hotmail.com

          Dr. Gary

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          • Hi Again Dr, Gary. I should have been more clear that I was more interested in you validating for us your and the word of faith teachers interpretation of Proverbs 18:21 as spoken words have power than I was to hear what you thought about the video. Can you show us where the validation for that interpretation for that verse (power of life and death is in the tongue) is according to the verses context? Thanks :-)

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        • damon:
          Hi Again Dr, Gary. I should have been more clear that I was more interested in you validating for us your and the word of faith teachers interpretation of Proverbs 18:21 as spoken words have power than I was to hear what you thought about the video. Can you show us where the validation for that interpretation for that verse (power of life and death is in the tongue) is according to the verses context? Thanks

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          • Hi Damon and everyone! The following is my reply to your reply on June 23,2013 @5:57 P.M.

            IS THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURE LITERAL?
            Proverbs 18:21 – - Life and Death is in the power of the tongue and those who love it will eat its fruit.
            Let’s look at scriptures that show words have brought people to life:
            Luke 7:12-15 – - Jesus brings young man back to life. Vs. 14-15 “Young man I say to you arise.” So he who was dead sat up and began to speak.
            John 11:43-44 “Now when He (Jesus) had heard these things, He cried with a loud voice “Lazarus come forth” and he who had died came out bound hand and foot with grave clothes and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them “Loose him and let him go.” Have you ever thought what would have happened if Jesus had not called Lazarus by name and had just said “come forth?”
            Now about men and women other than Jesus “speaking” people from dead to life:
            1 Kings 17:17-24 – - Vs. 21-22 “O Lord my God, I pray, let this child’s soul come back to him.” Then the Lord heard the voice of Elijah and the soul of the child came back to him and he revived.
            Acts 9:40 Peter speaks “Tibitha arise” and she comes back to life.
            Smith Wigglesworth (1859-1947)- – Was said to have brought at least 14 people back from the dead. He stated that he brought his wife back from the dead 3 times.
            Heidi Baker, now ministering with her husband and others in Mozambique Africa has stated: “If you want to get a Muslim to come to Christ, just raise someone from the dead.” You ask “Why doesn’t the general public hear about these things?” Do you really think the news media wants us to hear things about how our Savior is performing miracles? When Ms. Baker went to Africa God told her to not refuse caring for one child. She proceeded to take in 200 children into her own home. The last I heard she had 10,000 children that are being cared for by Ms. Baker, husband and staff. I understand many times (I wouldn’t doubt if it’s not every day) God performs a miracle by literally multiplying food for all of them.
            Remember the 4,000 plus women and children and 5,000 plus women and children that Jesus prayed and food was multiplied? Jesus hasn’t changed, have we? Where is the faith of many of us? Raising people from the dead has been performed by the power of God in many places through the past years to include America. I understand that about 21 people were raised from the dead during a meeting at Lakeland, Florida a few years ago. At least one was recorded being raised from the dead in Ireland and others in different parts of the world through the meeting at Lakeland do to the meetings being transmitted by satellite.
            It’s been shown in these previous statement examples of “life” being spoken and people coming back to life. If we were to seriously investigate, I’m sure we would come up with many more cases (documented) of people being raised from the dead, when they are commanded to in the name of Jesus. And when investigating, I feel that we would find that these people that do the commanding back to life are ones that received “power” of Holy Spirit as those did in Acts 2:4, because that is the way God chooses to perform most of the miracles, if not all of them.
            CAN DEATH LITERALLY BE BROUGHT ABOUT BY WORDS SPOKEN?
            I feel that it has been proven that “words” spoken, in the name of Jesus, can literally bring people back to life. That being so, why would negative words not literally bring death as is written in Proverbs 18:21 “Life and Death is in the power of the tongue and those who love it will eat its fruit?” Is it likely that the “Life” part of the verse is literal and the “death” part of the verse is not literal?
            I think we understand that words that can cause “death” are not spoken in the name of Jesus. We need to realize that Satan is now in control of this world because God has allowed him. And he has power to cause all the destruction that God allows. Always know that God has power of the enemy; Satan and his demons can only do what God allows him to do (Please, read first few chapters of the book of “Job”), and much is performed through Satan and his demons due to the fall of Adam and Eve (after they sinned).
            If we were to seriously investigate, I feel that we could document many cases of deaths coming about after witches and witch doctors speaking words of death. Of course, some of us have heard of voodoo and sticking pins in the voodoo dolls and people dying. However, my goal is to give what can be documented, especially from Bible scriptures.
            Please, understand that the scriptures that I’m now giving are to document “words” did cause death in the Bible, by God, but not by Satan. God brought the death sentence to the Israelites because of their negative words.
            Numbers 14:1-2 “So all the congregation lifted up their voices and cried and the people wept that night. And the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron, and the whole congregation said to them “If only we had died in the land of Egypt! Or if only we had died in this wilderness. Vs. 26-29 “And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron saying “How long shall I bear with this evil congregation who complain against Me?” Say to them “As I live,” says the Lord, “just as you have spoken in my hearing so I will do to you. The carcasses of you who have complained against me shall fall in this wilderness, all of you who were numbered, according to your entire number, from twenty years old and above. Vs. 35 “In this wilderness they shall be consumed and there they shall die! Please, read all of Chapter fourteen of the book of Numbers.
            From these scriptures given, it is very easy to understand that God is not pleased with us being negative. And we should all strive to speak only positive things. And some of those positive things spoken, each day, should be in thanks to God for His awesome love and mercy that He has had on us! God’s wonderful grace that He has given to us is what we don’t deserve and His mercy is holding back what we do deserve!
            I pray this writing has been of help to each of you! There is much we can discuss in God’s Word the Bible, but bottom line is: What is our relationship with our Savior Jesus the Christ? If we haven’t received Jesus as our Savior, we can know every word of the Bible and explain it all and be doomed to spend eternity separated from God and spend eternity with Satan and his demons.
            Receive Jesus as your Savior, Romans 10:9-10 and 1 John 1:9, pray, study His Word the Bible, take time to just simply be quiet and listen to God to impart into you and be obedient. God will do the rest. Matthew 11:29-30 Jesus states “Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Phil. 4:13 “We can do all things through Jesus Christ who gives us the strength.” My previous reply to Brother Damon gives more scriptures about speaking a loud what we want.
            God’s Blessings to each of you! You are in my prayers.
            Dr. Gary

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          • Hi Dr, Gary,

            Sorry so long to get back to you. Somehow I missed your response above.

            You have done allot to obfuscate the issue and make it complicated when it is not. Your anecdotal responses really mean nothing because I can show you testimony after testimony that the WoF power of words teaching does not work for people. But you still have not shown how you can validate your interpretation of proverbs 18:21 from the context of the whole of proverbs 18. I guess since you have not done that we can rest assured that you cannot. Please show us how you validate your and the WoF interpretation from proberbs 18 without all the extrapolation, obfuscation and anecdotes.

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    • Hi Jameccia! I replied to your post a few days ago and Bro. Damon replied to what I said to you about Proverbs 18:21 “Death and Life are in the power of the tongue and those who love it will eat its fruit.” I think you will be interested n my reply to the video June 21, 2013 @1:04 A.M. and today, June 23, 1013 @ 6:02 P.M. about that scripture.

      Thanks and God Bless!

      Dr. Gary

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  3. Sean McCarty says:

    I am….forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ! I am saved by grace through faith IN Jesus Christ, Son of God, Returning King of Kings, Rider on the White horse!! I am….washed in the blood of Jesus, NOT my own way of thinking!

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  4. Great article once again. Thanks B@E.

    A friend I know used to have a high opinion of Kim Clement. He’s quite into this law of attraction as well.

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    • Hi Gabriel! On what do you base Kim Clement believing in the law of attraction? And what is your definition of the law of attraction?

      God Bless!

      Dr. Gary

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  5. Hali Starr says:

    Joel Osteen, Oprah, Wayne Dyer, Deepok Chopra, Gary Zukav, and many others are on the right path!

    If you would just read their books you would know. They go by the teachings of Jesus Christ, Buddah, Dali Lama, or whatever good and loving “SOURCE” you believe in. I am in total peace since I have found these people. They teach unconditional love for all people. That’s what Jesus wanted. They also teach not to judge others because we do not know what path they follow. Life is physical lessons here that our spirit must learn before returning to God or Source. They are teaching us to have faith. What is wrong with that?

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    • Hi Hali!

      Sorry for being much later in replying to your comment. I never read this site until a short time ago. I pray that you are contacted by email when new comments come up. Have you read the other comments that I’ve given recently to Bro. Damon and others?

      I encourage you to seek God where to attend church and study the Bible closely and ask God to reveal to you His truth. There are more commands of God than just the ten commandments. One of them is to not forsake the assembling (Hebrews 10:25). Paul is telling us to be in church services. Eph. 4:11 tells us that “He Himself (God) made those to be Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers to equip us to do the ministry and to edify us (build our faith and benefit us). That means to prepare us to go outside the church and perform the Great Commission (Mark 16:15-18).

      We must understand that satan is subtle. Part of that being subtle is to put in some truth and positive things into teachings of other religions that are not of God. Jesus is the only man that can be proved to have risen from the dead. And, of course, He returned to heaven to be with the Father. Please, read John Chapter one and John 5:19 through the end of chapter to understand who Jesus is. I feel it is important for each of us to know who Jesus is before going on to the rest of the Bible. I encourage you to then start in Matthew and study the New Testament.

      Just studying the scriptures in John, helps us to understand that Jesus the Christ is the only way to God the Father and that all things, from the beginning, were placed in the hands of Jesus by Father God and that Jesus does nothing without seeking Father God first.

      As you read in John, you will find that the Word, Father God and Holy Spirit were in heaven until The Word became flesh in John 1:14. After Jesus came to the earth, we say Father, Son and Holy Spirit You see Word, that became Jesus, created the earth, us and all things! God creating the earth, etc. in Genesis, as Holy Spirit hovered, was the part of the three (triune or trinity) that became Jesus.

      Please, just remember, anything that strays from the teaching of the gosple of Jesus is false, no matter how positive or wonderfuol it might sound. Remember, the devil is subtle and the father of all liars. Deception is his greatest and most powerful tool. Once we are deceived he has us where he wants us. However, praise God, we can change and have a powerful relationship with our Savior Jesus the Christ when we study God’s Word the Bible and be obedient to what is stated in the Bible. Remember what we are told in Eph. chapter six; the sword is our weapon and that sword is the word of God in which we do Spiritual battle against satan and his demons.

      God’s Blessings on You and Yours!

      Dr. Gary

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  6. They are wolf’s in sheep’s clothing. I remember a few years ago Joel Osteen was on Larry King and when asked if Jesus was the only way to heaven and he said there were many ways to heaven if I remember right. It’s beyond me how people can’t see this man is obviously a phony and an actor.

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    • You are correct Scott, he REFUSED to say Jesus was the only way. These two are doing all this for money. When you take you eye off GOD…it never goes well!! You know you are living in the last days when you see FALSE teachings!!

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    • There are many different ways people believe, but we all believe in the same “GOD”, we just believe in the way we feel is right….what we have been taught by our parents. God understands us all and loves us all unconditionally…..do you understand what that means??? Jesus died on the cross for us. Let’s appreciate that gift. If you have to condemn others, you are not happy with yourself. Please do what Jesus said….”LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.’

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      • Hali, you have done well to quote Jesus, you just stopped short. Consider these words of Jesus:

        Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
        (John 3:18 ESV)

        Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:16

        Hali, those who reject Christ, who don’t take Him at His word, are SELF-condemned. We need not fear the condemnation of man: “But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!” Luke 12:5

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    • Hi Scott!

      You could certainly be correct that Pastor Joel is a phony and an actor. However, I believe that he is doing what he thinks is correct.. I think that he has been deceived by the devil. We pray that whatever is going on with him, Bishop Jakes and others, God will have mercy on them and they will repent and get back where they need to be in Christ. And I feel it is important that they repent on national TV before the world, so that those deceived by them will have an opportunity to repent and be obedient to Jesus the Christ! Also, keep Ophra and others, that we might not even know about ,will repent before the world and God and they will receive Jesus as their Savior!

      They should be exposed; the Bible says your sins will find you out. However, we must not only tell the truth about them, but we are, as Christians, to pray for their return to Christ! If we don’t pray for them, we are not doing as God tells us to do in his word. I think that we, as Christians, know to pray for them, but can get caught up in how sinful they have become and focus on that and not enough on praying for them.

      When I’m in doubt about someone being wrong in their teachings, I go online and ask about their beliefs about abortion.. If they don’t take a stand against abortion (murdering of babies), I know they are not where they need to be spiritually. That’s the first thing I check out about a person running for any office. It’s amazing how many, so called Christians, including Pastors, have voted for President Obama and voted for President Clinton, knowing that they are pro-abortion instead of Pro-life. God have mercy on their souls!

      God’s Blessings on You and Yours! Stay in the Word, everyone! Christ is returning sooner than we might think!

      Dr. Gary

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      • Dr. Gary continuing:

        Rape is a horrible thing, but know that God can heal, no matter how difficult it might seem. To get your joy and peace that God wants for you, you must turn your life entirely over to him. I’m a man and cannot understand what you are going through, but I feel that rape is probably the most damaging thing that can happen to a woman’s emotions, etc.

        However, bad, I encourage to not think it’s ok to abort that baby because of rape. There is no scripture to justify aborting the baby! Murder is murder, no matter how the baby is conceived. If you feel that you can’t keep the child, please, adopt the child to a couple that will raise the child properly in the eyes of God. Understand, that no matter how horrible is rape, God has a plan for that child! Phil. 1:6 “We can have confidence that God, who created a good work in us, will be faithful to complete it!” We just need to be obedient!

        And if you now are suffering emotional trauma and guilt from having an abortion, please, know that you too, can have joy and peace, but only by the Grace of God. Just receive Jesus as your Savior and stay obedient to Him. You say, but that would be a miracle. God is still performing miracles, please, believe me. He wants soooooooooo much to heal you wounds, please, let Him!

        I have total confidence that when we are obedient to God, He will turn every negative in our lives to positives. My wife was abused more than once when a child and now God is using her to minister to battered women. And he has a plan for you! Jesus states that His yoke is easy and His burden is light! Please, turn all over to our Savior Jesus the Christ!

        I speak total joy and peace to you in the name of Jesus Christ our Savior! And that you receive all of His God’s Blessings!

        Dr. Gary

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        • yhwhzson says:

          My comment about T.D. Jakes, Osteen and these other clowns is this:

          Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, [Is] not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.

          http://feedly.com/k/11GjfRa

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      • Suggest you include the ‘Gay agendas” in your checklist to a marker, in terms of Support/Complacency & Against, for the simple reason that there was none so greatly destroyed than “Sodom” even the complacent one -Lots wife- unto the present day to the Prophecy of “Spiritual Sodom & Egypt”.

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  7. Andrea Latham:
    I am……. a sinner and thank you…GOD for the cross!

    You are correct Scott, he REFUSED to say Jesus was the only way. These two are doing all this for money. When you take you eye off GOD…it never goes well!! You know you are living in the last days when you see FALSE teachings!!

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  8. These two are leading GOD’S people astray….the ONLY I AM there is …is GOD HIMSELF. Read your bible…cuz these two certainly are NOT!

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    • Amen Janet. Thank you for recognizing the subtle use of The Lord’s name in the Bible by the New Age movement. God is The I AM. And we are to worship Him and Him alone. God bless you abundantly.

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    • This very same thing came to my mind when I saw the “I AM” segment… There is only *one* “I Am,” and that is the great and holy I Am, Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonai.

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      • halistarr says:

        Joel and Oprah have brought more good to this world than anybody else today. Why fight against good?
        We are all part of God, therefore we are all a part of ” I AM” Get it? I know you mean well, but study what they really mean, you will be inspired. Send love only, not negativity.

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        • We are not all part of God. That is pure New Age thinking, or pantheism, whichever way you want to look at it. We all COME FROM God, but we are not PART OF God.

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  9. David Nyanga says:

    How hard is it to just tell people that Jesus loves them and wants to take on himself the burden of their sin? It is as hard as changing lifestyle from being filthy rich to average or even poor all in the name of Jesus Christ.

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  10. I grew up in the Houston area, and used to listen sometimes to Osteen’s father before he died. If I’m not mistaken, the father preached the gospel we all know. Don’t know what happened to Joel. He took his fathers church in another direction!

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  11. anyone who makes false claims cponfuses and aids disorder. while people should be aware of fals eteacherrs if you present it wmixed witth false hood it only serves to confuse. the bible clearly says .
    Prov 18:21 KJV) “Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.” god in the begining called things into existance whenhe created the wolorld. when jeus came he has called us to do the same. if you say unto the moutnian be thou removed and doubt not in your heart it hslal be removed. the devil only copys god and has to work within the laws of the universe that are in existance.God with using moses as a medium wrote the pentuach the 5 books of moses penta as in 5 like penta gram. oftne in ocult they use 5 pooined star does this make the pentuach evil? no. the established laws of th universe by god have it that death and life are in the power of the ttongue [law of attraction] now you like moses or Jesus or the apostels can speak and cause a thing and beritesous if you do it in hs name and for his glory or you can use tthe law of attraction for greed lust yourselfand the devil death. death or life in the power of the tongue this includes all you say every act is a magickal act say those in occult god says what you speak happens by many bibnlical verse like proverbs 18;21 and others. so if you speak ourt negitiivty you wil get it if you were to listen to a sermon like tamming the tongue by pastor matthew hagge you might see a lot of similarities between it and ‘the secret’ the differnce is in pastor hagees sermon will be full of bible verse and biblical application but the method is the same cause the laws of the universe created by god are the same. get your facts stragiht caus eit will further your cause you have a lot of good info on this sight but wrong facts will trun those whom you wish tosave away. and daeth and life are oi the tongue jesus said ‘judge not lest ye be judged’ so be careful not to judge presentt facts and be clear andcross check them.
    Prov 4:21 KJV) “Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.”
    (Prov 6:2 KJV) “Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.”
    (Prov 12:18 KJV) “There is that speaketh like the piercings of a sword: but the tongue of the wise is health.”
    (Prov 15:4 KJV) “A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.”
    (Prov 17:20 KJV) “He that hath a froward heart findeth no good: and he that hath a perverse tongue falleth into mischief
    Authority is released through words:
    (Mark 11:23 KJV) “For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.”
    (Mark 11:24 KJV) “Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.”
    (John 14:13 KJV) “And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.”
    (John 14:14 KJV) “If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.”
    You receive what you believe…(Prov 6:2 KJV) “Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.”
    The tongue… oh how powerful

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    • HI Todd, I read your comments and felt lead to respond to you. But my response turned out way too way long to post here in this comment section. So I had to copy your first comment to my blog and respond there. I spent about 5 hours writing and proof-reading my response, so would you please go to my site and read it. If not then please read the two articles below the first link below. If you would like to respond, please do so here or on my blog. Thanks brother!!!

      PROVERBS 18:21 – Are There Really Life and Death In The Power Of Words? (dedicated to Kenneth Shoebrook)

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2013/03/02/proverbs-1821-are-there-really-life-and-death-in-the-power-of-words/

      The Power of the Spoken Word – Biblical or Occult Law? PART 1

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/04/18/the-power-of-the-spoken-word-%e2%80%93-biblical-or-occult-law-part-1/

      The Power of the Spoken Word – Biblical or Occult Law? PART 2

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/04/18/the-power-of-the-spoken-word-%e2%80%93-biblical-or-occult-law-part-2/

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      • this is Todd in reply, first forgive me for typing errors of my last or even this. I am a bit dyslexic and I type bad and when I am moved the passion often increases my spelling and typing errors. I first wish to say sorry about your friend, I must say though you misunderstand me and with bad typing that is easy. I do not defend Joel Osteen, I defend the bible. you believe
        the whole bible or you don’t, it is all true or it is not true at all god said and let there be light God created the world with words. this is a bible belief. and the apostles and the early church performed many miracles just by saying and believing there is a marked difference between this and mystics which should be pointed out. Gods word must abide in the believer and then he may ask what he wills. and yes god has made free will the words of the Israelites prevented them from entering the promised land if you are in unbelief this will override according to Gods word, there are a lot of people who don’t believe in the bible at all and many say what you say they don’t believe cause they don’t see christens moving mountains, well I say if you deny this you deny Gods word that is what God said and the early church did many miracles . People believe this only happened then and yet gods word clearly says this is for all believers

        Mark chapter 16
        17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
        18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
        19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
        20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

        Acts chapter 2
        38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
        39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
        And going back to mark 16 verse 16 says
        And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
        16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

        Unbelief is a sin it is the sin that prevented Israel from entering the promised land
        John chapter 14 verse 12

        12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
        13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
        14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

        John Chapter 14 : 1
        15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

        John 15:7
        Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of John 15:7.
        If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

        So what does all this mean it doesn’t mean you can ask what you will and be living contrary to God your friend doing drugs living contrary to God can not ask and it be granted. But to use this tragedy to put down Gods word is not good as well. You must believe god is the same yesterday today and tomorrow and that t is impossible for God to lie so if he promised this it must be so faith comes by
        hearing the word of GOD
        when the apostles could not cast out a demon Jesus in Matthew told them it was due to there unbelief his reply how be it this kind only goeth out by prayer and by fasting. Unbelief can stop the miracles of god read your bible, Jesus marveled at the unbelief in his home town and could not perform many miracles there due to there unbelief. I believe bible I’m
        not defending Joel Osteen I don’t watch him I get a bad feeling about him I am defending the bible don’t let Joel or your friends death make you an unbeliever in what God clearly promised
        Do you believe Moses performed
        miracles? Or how about Elijah ? Or the apostles ? Do you believe
        peters shadow healed people or is that just a metaphor? Do you believe Gods promise. Most christens don’t. many christens don’t believe
        creation they believe a hybrid of evolution and the bible they believe those miracles never really happened or only God did miracle Moses and the apostles didn’t even though it says they did. And it says greater things we shall do and it says this promise is for all believers‘. If anyone who does things like this believes it is by there power then they are false it is by the power of god and faith in the name Jesus that all things like this are done. What I was in my first response and this one trying to convey is the difference and tell you not to say that Gods word is not true. If he says the apostles did miracles and by faith they could accomplish anything I believe
        God did not lie
        I believe what the book of revelations says about the
        Witnesses and the miracles they will do. I believe what the 144000 witness will do I believe God when he says in the last days the out pouring of the holy spirit will be 2 times what the early church had just like Elisha was given a double portion of what the prophet Elijah had. There have been documented cases over the centuries of great faith and miracles and if you believe Gods word then you will believe these things yes there will be false prophets and charlatans but the only unpardonable sin is blaspheming the holy spirit . This would be to deny the power of the holy sprit as the Pharisees
        said the miracles Jesus did were of the devil p fake, this was not just for Jesus he promised the believer and clearly in acts peter and the 120 in the upper room and Paul demonstrated such gifts and the bible promised this to all. What is wrong is no one believes it unbelief can stop miracles. Unbelief stopped Israel they saw the 10 plagues the parting of the read sea manna from heaven water from a stone yet still did not believe the power of God. Jesus in his hometown could no do many miracles due to there unbelief, this is what all non believers say the bible is not true they don’t believe I miracles they want christens to be able to prove it with miracles just like the Pharisees wanted Jesus to prove it and most christens who attend church regular don’t believe these things are possible. The bible is all true or not true. It is impossible for God to lie and he promised the gifts of the holy spirit to all believers the problem is no one believes, all I am asking you is not to say the bible is untrue , I have seen that the supernatural world is true and I have seen healing occur. Is my faith strong enough to perform on moments notice ?[ does this to you prove I am wrong like all doubters and scoffers in the last days ? ] the apostles could not cast out the evil spirit due to unbelief and they walked with Jesus seeing his miracles and he breathed on them and gave them power over unclean spirits if they had trouble of course we in this last generation who believe sciences rather than Gods
        will, I choose to believe Gods words
        and ask you to do the same

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    • Hi Todd! You might be interested in my reply to Bro. Damon about the “Life and Death are in the power of the tongue and those who love it will eat its fruit.” Replied on June 21, 2013 @ 1:04 A.M. and June 23, 2013 @ 6:02 P.M.

      Thanks and God Bless!

      Dr. Gary

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  12. ps . to all those who commented in support of oprah . thelast days apostasy is written clearly in the bible and the bible saysActs 4:12

    Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved
    mixing of other Gods and relgions is clarly agsint what the bible teaches

    Galatians 1:8-9
    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
    2 Peter 2:20-22
    For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
    2 Chronicles 15:13
    But that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.
    Deuteronomy 13:6-11
    “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. …
    1 Timothy 4:1
    Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
    2 Peter 3:17
    You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
    2 Thessalonians 2:3
    Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
    Luke 8:13
    And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.
    Matthew 24:10
    And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another.
    Hebrews 6:4-8
    For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.
    Matthew 24:12
    And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
    2 Timothy 3:1-9
    But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. …
    Hebrews 10:26-29
    For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
    2 Timothy 4:4
    And will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths

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  13. thomakat77 says:

    hey don’t you think this article is quite a stretch. i read the book “The Secret” and laws of attraction and no where in the book does it mention any witchcraft or new age thinking. This article was a waste of space and a attack on two other Christians that think or believe differently than you ” no matter if its right or wrong” in fact they are giving you pretty good advice. spend time in prayer and meditate on the words of God first thing in the morning, no tv, no blackberry, no phone . just some worship music and some good alone time. i wouldn’t have wated my time writing about what was wrong with this article but having known people that were into the occult and studying the word of God and listening to other people witchcraft and occultic practices are on a totally different level then the book “the secret”. why don’t you write about the real devils in the suits Mike Murdoch and Benny Hinn

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    • Hali Starr says:

      I agree!

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    • Hi Thomkat,

      Thanks for your response. Since you have read The Secret (I have read it as well), what are your thoughts on this passage:

      “You are God in a physical body. You are Spirit in the flesh. You are Eternal Life expressing itself as you.” (The Secret, p. 164).

      How do you reconcile this with the Bible where God says: “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me..”- Isaiah 45:5.

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    • The greatest feat the devil ever accomplished was convincing the world he doesn’t exist… If he were trying to deceive the world, he wouldn’t necessarily come right out and say it is witchcraft. Deception comes in many forms, often in pretty packages. Unfortunately, Oprah and Joel Osteen use those pretty packages to deceive the world into thinking that Christianity is this self-serving, feel good religion that is solely focused on benefiting us for our *earthly* good, not our spiritual or eternal good.

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  14. Stylishly Yours says:

    I’ve noticed when Joel was on the View and when he was interviewed on Oprah’s Next Chapter the question of homosexuality came up and he always dances around the question he never gave a clear answer. It’s like he says what people want to hear and as a pastor you can’t do that. I don’t know maybe it’s me but I always get skeptical of a pastor when they become commercially successful it’s like they lose sight of what they’re really suppose to do. Anyway, I always feel refreshed whenever I get on this site. It’s really helping me. Thank you!!

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  15. Just as the true “Arc of the Covenant” which is to the Mercy of God to its fulfillment in the Fulness of Christ Jesus which is to the salvation of man by the faith, . likewise is the Egyptian one, not to save but to corrupt & destroy. & is described in Zechariah Ch 5 to the wickedness in an Ephah to its work carried out by two women with the wings of a Stork, in uncleaness. This wickedness in the container is the rebellion, the sin of witchcraft.- the source of Oprah Winfrey beliefs is to this in the Sorcery & it seems Joel Osteen follows in her footsteps., to become birds of a same flock to that condemned Ancient Egyptian Mystery of wickedness

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  16. OK. Why do religions always bash each other? That’s what confuses most people who are not religious, and why a lot of people stay away from it. Come on, there can’t be so many different interpretations of the bible(different bible-based religions), and only one of them is right. So religious people need to stop hating each other just because they don’t share the same beliefs. Yes, there are many televangelists who take advantage of people for money, and I don’t particularly like Oprah and the method she has used to make her billions. But, I came across the Joel Osteen books at the library when I was struggling with some major depression, and they really did help me feel better and helped me pull myself back up. Of all the televangelists out there, he’s the only one I’ve seen on TV that DOESN’T ask for money on his show. The ones that do constantly ask for money(which is nearly all of the other ones) are the ones to worry about.

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    • Hi T,

      i think it should be noted here and very strongly emphasized that disagreement does not equate to personal hate or bashing. Let me ask you, because you disagree with us, does that mean you hate us and are bashing us because we do not believe as you do that “there can’t be so many different interpretations of the bible (different bible-based religions), and only one of them is right”? One can disagree with another and not hate them personally but rather hate opposing philosophies and beliefs and it has nothing to do with personal hate. If not then you’re just as much a hater as anyone else for disagreeing with us. I hope you can see this.

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  17. yhwhzson says:

    All of these so called ministers are nothing more than motivational speakers, as is satan, seducing people into feeling more about themselves than they should. Seeking so called self esteem.

    Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
    Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
    Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
    Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
    Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

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  18. Lets us look to the Bible to find the answers! If it does not align with th Bible than it is wrong…

    “Death and life are in the power of the tongue and those who love it will eat it fruits.” Proverbs 18:21

    And Jesus said that to them “Have faith in God, truly I say to you whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ And if he does not doubt it in his heart but believes that what he said will come to pass it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you whatever you ask in prayer believe that you haved received it and it will be yours.” Matthew 11:22-24

    “Since we have the same spirit of faith according to what has been written, “I believe and so I spoke,” we also believe and so we speak… ”
    2 Corinthians 2:14

    “Whatever you ask in prayer you will receive if you have faith.” Matthew 21:22

    “So shall my word that comes out of my mouth, it shall not return to me empty but it shall accomplish that which I purpose and it shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.” Isaiah 55:11

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    • HI Missy, just like with any book if you take small parts of the Bible out of context you can make it say just about anything you want it to. So let us add the context back to the verses you and Word of Faith teachers like Joel Osteen take out of context.

      ***“Death and life are in the power of the tongue and those who love it will eat it fruits.” Proverbs 18:21

      Pslams 18: 18 The lot causeth contentions to cease, and parteth between the mighty. 19 A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle. 20 A man’s belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled. 21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. 22 Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the Lord. 23 The poor useth intreaties; but the rich answereth roughly. 24 A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.

      Please ask yourself what is the meaning of verse 21 according to the context?

      ***And Jesus said that to them “Have faith in God, truly I say to you whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ And if he does not doubt it in his heart but believes that what he said will come to pass it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you whatever you ask in prayer believe that you haved received it and it will be yours.” Matthew 11:22-24

      Missy, you can test this passage to see if your interpreting and applying it rightly by looking at the previous verse Mar 11:21 “And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.” Please go find a fig tree and curse it and see if it withers. And also cast the nearest mountain into the sea. These verses are part of a prophecy, to see what the prophecy means please see the following post.

      Some Commentary[ies] on Mark 11:23-24 (An Often Mis-Interpreted Verse By Word of Faithers)

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/02/05/some-commentaryies-on-mark-1123-24-an-often-mis-interpreted-verse-by-word-of-faithers/

      ***Sorry Missy, you must have quoted 2 Cor. 2:14 wrong as it says nothing close to what you quoted and even the verse you did quote talks only about believing and speaking and says nothing about receiving what is believed and spoken.

      ***“Whatever you ask in prayer you will receive if you have faith.” Matthew 21:22

      Let me ask you Missy, how do you balance that with (1 John 5:14-15 KJV) “And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing ***according to his will***, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him”. Please note vs. 14 says ACCORDING HIS WILL. How do you balance that so these scriptures do not contradict each other? Do we get “whatsoever we ask” or whatsoever we ask “according to his will”?

      ***“So shall my word that comes out of my mouth, it shall not return to me empty but it shall accomplish that which I purpose and it shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.” Isaiah 55:11

      Missy, when this verse says “So shall **my** word” and “that which **I** purpose”,, who is the “my” and the “I” spoken of in this verse? If you will look at the context of this verse it is the Lord himself talking. The “my” and “I’ is not you or anyone else, it is the Lord Himself.

      Please read B&E’s article and reconsider your interpretations and applications. Thanks.

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  19. To the likes of Joel’s, in their ear pleasing words to itching ears, compromising & even unrelating to the Gospels unlike that which was preached by Jesus & the Apostles come through what is called the Apostolic Faith, against which is seen the new star made by the the god TV promoters Rory & Wendy ,controlled by Freemasonry, British indeed, is -Todd Bentley, deceiving through hindu Kundalani’s in the occult, in Christ & Christian names to the lying signs & wonders, & what better place than South Africa using the strong Indian contingent there as a launching pad to main land India, off course that is where the money lies brought through this corruption, It is but to know that Freemasonry itself is come as the Manifestation of the enmity put by God at Eden between the serpent & the Woman, controlled through Witchcraft having similar initiations that are to Ancient Egyptian beliefs, to death with the more interesting part to its gods are but the hindu ones( to that Munbo Jumbo names or as called in Freemasonry the infallible names, to the great Architect etc. are but to the same ) to know why the god TV’s & the todd Bentely’s are to the Indian pleasings with much of Joel Osteen, Joseph Prince, Creflo Dollar(with his wife dressed as an Indian princess more to demonesses described by Ancient Christiain saints) & off course the Parsons & their friends Copeland, Cindy Jacobs with her social gospels & the TBN people in it, not to forget.

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  20. Oprah has profited, as Olsteen does. Where is the “good” if they mislead, while, growing wealthier? I’m not denouncing those who have wealth, but many times, that influence is used in less than productive ways. Oprah has the means to reach many people. Yes, she gives a great deal of money to her choice in charities, but she also uses her influence, politically – ref: Propping Obama for president without, truly, looking at what he stands for. She has found disappointment in putting Obama up as a godlike leader, instead of, a servant to all US citizens.

    Joel Olsteen is sparkling, but if he can’t invoke Jesus’ name on a silly tv interview when he has millions watching, then, may God bless him with a change in his approach.

    I fought God for many years and now, find that only He can fill me with real peace. I believe Jesus is the way to His eternal embrace; and I pray others who need to humble, as I surely did, do so. God only wrote one Book and it’s free to read from many venues. He is always here to listen.

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    • I don’t see any problem with people seeking to bring positivity to their lives, these are troubling times and many people need something to believe in, some way to cope with the situation not only in their home countries but worldwide. I can see why people are upset about these people, especially a pastor, speaking about things that can be contrary to the Bible. And I agree, in a sense, that a pastor’s duty is to preach the gospel and to lead people to the bible and to Jesus. But there is certainly no harm i can see in giving people confidence, motivation for a positive change and something that they can use to help them in these turbulent times.

      I don’t call myself a Christian, to be honest, i don”t know what to think of the whole religion thing. I don’t see any harm in being…. cautious of where people put their faith and their hearts. I like the idea of God and Jesus, I like what they stand for, peace, kindness, just leadership, mercy, and compassion. But I don’t think i have seen enough definitive evidence for me to place too much of my hope and faith, and my heart into Christianity. I also seek something to help me deal with these tough times and I know many others around the world do as well. Maybe someone here can help me find the answers i seek and help me to share that with the people who are struggling to find peace and a happy life.

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  21. This is science, theological science but science nevertheless, therefor we must remain objective. I will provide some links as “food for thought” for the visitors of this page to view and hopefully learn something about themselves or the universe or maybe even God Himself. Here are the links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVUU3p5iHMA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYDwWbDhCEg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLrt6mGR8To&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLNhTos49Oq4LboD3bb0S2SFJwi2xY9Tjb
    Just some food for thought. Please post your thoughts and feelings about the videos, but please keep it civil.

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  22. Hi Todd!

    Thank you for a more clear explanation. You obviously have great faith! I’ve been answering Bro. Damon’s comments too. Maybe this will make it more clear for others to understand where you and I are coming from in our statements.

    Jesus left earth and sent Holy Spirit in Acts 2:4 which brought them the power to work with as He chose to work with them. We can receive that same power in which Holy Spirit can work through us.

    Again, in Mark 11:22-24 Jesus talks about us being able to move mountains. I agree with Bro. Damon in the sense that most of the time that mountain is obstacles in our lives. However, we can’t just say that it cannot be a literal mountain. Do we not believe the creator that created the earth and created us is to weak to move a mountain. God doesn’t function in this manner, most of the time, because He chooses to perform through us. For example: The story goes that a man had great faith and wanted a mountain that he owned moved. So, he prays for God to move the mountain. To me that would mean that he was declaring for the mountain to be moved in the name of Jesus. God could have moved the mountain by picking it up and relocating it. I pray that we believe that; if not how can we believe that He created the earth, etc? However, God choosing to work through man to answer our prayers, a lot of times, sent a contractor who needed much dirt. He removed the mountain. Remember, when we say we prayed for something, even if we don’t say: “I declare it done in the name of Jesus, when we end praying we say in the name of Jesus, Amen. What is the definition of Amen. It is “So be it!” In other words we are declaring our prayer to be performed and completed in the name of Jesus!

    Now, why are not all prayers (declarations) not answered or at least not right at the time we speak them. 1 John 5:14 tells us (paraphrasing) we can have anything we as if IT IS GOD’S WILL! However, we aren’t told to stop speaking what we want!

    Example: I know a couple that stated they didn’t believe in buying a house by credit. So, they agreed to wait until God brought them the money to pay cash. They drew the home out on paper and started speaking a loud that home into existence. These folks had much faith! They spoke that home into existence for seven years! After seven years they were driving one day and saw a home that looked just like what they had been declaring they wanted for seven years. It was “for lease.” They went into the home and it was exactly as they had planned it seven years earlier. They agreed that this was the home God had planned for them. One problem; no money to buy it. The home is here, where is the money God? You see, God was even checking their faith further! They, in faith, leased the home for one year and took the money they had saved to remodel the home. Prior to the end of the year, when the lease would be up, God brought them the money to buy the home with cash; paid in full!

    What is really interesting, to me, about this story, is that the home was built seven years earlier when this couple agreed to start declaring the home was there’s and paid for! If they had given up and stopped speaking the home was theirs in six years eleven months or at any time, I don’t believe they would have gotten their home.

    I pray this is a help to all readers!

    God’s Blessings on You and Yours! Have a great life in Jesus! Hang in there, we’ll probably all be together for eternity sooner than we might think!

    Dr. Gary

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  23. fabolous says:

    Through Jesus we can make it, no matter what we go through, our lives lies in God’s hands. Casting your cares upon him, for he cares for us……not casting our cares upon ourselves, claming we can just use positive words and forget incorporating or going through Jesus is wrong. Jesus should forever be acknowledged. God bless you all

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  24. The article makes some interesting and valid points. However, one must always be mindful that the Bible cannot always be taken literally. Much of it is symbolic, allegorical, metaphorical, etc. Also, via repeated translations, errors and deliberate alterations have been instigated. A careful reading of the Scriptures will reveal that humans are Gods in embryo. This life is a time of preparation to meet God and eventually become like Him. The power to positive change lies with God’s help and within us. It is not an either/or dilemma. Two forces are at work. I make it a conscious effort to choose the good that I hear or see and discard what conflicts with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In the end, the Gospel of Christ is the standard by which we base our actions.

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    • Man by himself is but dust which truth he found when he obeyed the serpent to its words (Ye be as god’s) disobeying God, for the truth of him is In Christ, to the life , to the words most simple “Before the foundations God chose each one in His Christ”.

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  25. I know how Olsteen obtains prosperity, it was scamming my elderly mother for over $40K in little over a year with almost daily mailings for donations and several calls a week for donation requests. In his ministry they would talk with her, pray with her and then hit her up to send another check for the ministry. Charity should have been at home at the local church and her family and not to this scam artist.

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  26. Lets pray for unity in the Body of Christ..

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  27. It’s funny how scripture after scripture after scripture is being quoted here. Seems everyone is flexing their bible knowledge muscles….For me personally, I could careless about scriptures being quoted…does your knowledge of the scriptures make you a better person….not more righteous than anyone else, but a better human being? There’s a reason why Jesus said to the Sadducees and Pharisees, “…You understand the letter of the law, but not the spirit of it.” The purpose of the bible is to teach us to be better humans, not better than anyone else.

    The Secret = witchcraft!?!?!? Seriously? You’ve got to be kidding me….This is why archaic ideas and perceptions never stick around long…In Columbus’ day they thought the earth was flat and was propped up on the back of a turtle. Opinions are a dime a dozen, not worth much…if what Oprah and Joel are doing is wrong it will be dealt with by GOD….not a human. I think God is powerful enough to straighten out anything that doesn’t serve his purpose. Does he really need you guys throwing around your ideas, perceptions, and dispersions? Let it go people….it’s like my Dad used to say, ‘When you point a finger at someone, remember there are three pointing back at you!’

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    • Hi ShirleyN, It’s funny how your head does not explode from hypocrisy. After you pointing a finger at others for pointing fingers at Oprah and Joel’s false and dangerous new age teaching, one would think you would fall over dead if the penalty for hypocrisy (not practicing what you preach) was instant death. You’re like those that say others should not judge others, all the while judging others for judging while they had to make a judgment to decide if judging has occurred.

      And then for you to deride others for their knowledge of scripture is laughable because scripture often tells us to study the scripture and to have knowledge of it because without knowledge of scripture we become easy prey for Satan who seeks to devour whomever he may. And you conflate the Pharisee’s misuse of the law with others use of scripture. There is no Letter and Spirit of the scripture.

      Every NT book except for Philemon contains warning of false teaching, teachers and prophets. And some even say that in the end times some will teach doctrines of demons. Scripture also tells us that one day God will send a strong delusion on the world, that they might believe a lie because the world loves not the truth. So for you to act like if Joel and Oprah are wrong God would stop them is really sad because you cannot see that if those here speaking against Joel and Oprah’s teaching are wrong wouldn’t God stop them to.

      B&E has shown you with references from both sources that what Joel is teaching is the same thing that The Secret teaches but dressed up in Christian terminology. If you want to debate whether that is witchcraft or not we can do that and I can bring references from witchcraft resources to show you that it is the same thing.

      You said “The purpose of the bible is to teach us to be better humans, not better than anyone else”.,, and that is not funny at all. Is that what you really think the bible is about? Well it’s not. The purpose of the bible is to show how God is reconciling the world to himself through his crucified and risen Son and to point people to Him as savior of the world to those who will believe in Him. Have you realized you’re a sinner lost in sin and destined to eternal separation from God if you do not take Jesus as savior? In other words the main purpose of Gods word is that sinners might be saved from the penalty of their sin which is eternal death.

      And that is the biggest beef that most of us have with Joel’s word of faith teaching. According to it God and the Bible’s purpose is not to make us better people or to point us to our need for a savior but it is to acquire more stuff by thinking and speaking positively all the while telling people what they want to hear. Does Joel and Oprah tell you what your itching ears want to hear? If so maybe you should consider again what the purpose of God and His word is.

      Be Blessed.

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    • Same reason why other people in the Bible quote verses… to reason out. Didnt the Bible said that His words can become an armor to us and a double-edge sword? Didnt Jesus quoted scriptures when He was tempted after the 40 days in the wilderness. You cannot just discredit people quoting the verses.

      @Shirley, when you said “if what Oprah and Joel are doing is wrong it will be dealt with by GOD….not a human.” that made me think and ask “are you really a christian?” i am not judging anyone but what you just said is like you have a dead faith. Are you not concern about those children of God might still go astray? yes God is able, but if you think that that word “able” means He can do and will do everything then i suggest you better read the book of James again. having a genuine faith is a must as James mentioned that faith without deeds is a dead faith, a fake faith, leaving everything under the sun since God can do it.

      And now regarding your basis of how things works “according to your dad” (‘When you point a finger at someone, remember there are three pointing back at you!’), let me quote a verse for you,

      “The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.” ~ Isaiah 29:13.

      I am not judging you or anyone else but it seems to me this verse is just right for you:
      1. Your heart is not concerned about the children of God might go astray.
      2. You do not use the word of God as your armor and sword, leaving everything in God’s hand
      3. You prefer the word of your earthly father or things taught by men.

      I am aware that there are different people with different intentions of using the word of God or reasoning out. There are people who use it out of envy and others are out of goodwill, Philippians 1:15. Are we not supposed to reach out those people who are being pulled down?

      Love one another!

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  28. why do i feel awkward when he said about saying “I AM”. it feels like i am making myself a God of my own. same as God did, “God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”~ Exodus 3:14. It gives me chills whenever I am thinking was he said about saying “I AM” and it somehow relates to Isaiah 14:14 “I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” May the Lord, the God of the Universe have mercy on me and save me and cover me from all these.

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  29. damon:
    Hi Dr, Gary,

    Sorry so long to get back to you. Somehow I missed your response above.

    You have done allot to obfuscate the issue and make it complicated when it is not. Your anecdotal responses really mean nothing because I can show you testimony after testimony that the WoF power of words teaching does not work for people. But you still have not shown how you can validate your interpretation of proverbs 18:21 from the context of the whole of proverbs 18. I guess since you have not done that we can rest assured that you cannot. Please show us how you validate your and the WoF interpretation from proberbs 18 without all the extrapolation, obfuscation and anecdotes.

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    • Hi Damon!

      I just tried to give you scripture to back up Proverb 18:21. I don’t understand why you feel it does not apply to people. What do you think this verse is speaking about when it is talking about the tongue? I gave scripture explaining that speaking positive brings positive results and speaking negative brings about negative results. Also, how do you explain Mark 11:21-22 and 1 John 5:14 and the scriptures where Jesus says to ask (Greek: to demand or require) and we shall have what we want.

      Damon, I have seen things come to pass because of what is spoken. How many people have been given $10,000 or any amount for that matter? It was prophesied by a young man that didn’t even know me or my wife, that we would receive $10,000. In a short time we received it from a woman that wasn’t even in our church, but was acquainted with us. Did I not tell in my writing about a married couple that spoke for their home for seven years and God gave it to them, exactly how they described it?

      Sorry if you thought my writing confusing. I tried to give what God brought to me to give to you and others! That is always my goal when writing or teaching.

      What does Proverbs 18:21 mean to you?

      God Bless!

      Dr. Gary

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      • Hi Dr. Gary,

        I know you tried to validate Proverbs 18:21 by extrapolating other Scriptures that you think teach the same thing you think Verse 21 does. But I did not ask for other scriptures to verify the WoF interpretation and application of the verse – I asked 3-4 times now for you to validate that interpretation from the context of the whole of Proverbs 18 and you still have not done so. And the reason for that is that the context does not demand a literal interpretation but rather demands a metaphorical non-literal interpretation. I’ll tell you specifically what I think that means later as I did in my blogpost to Todd and my first comment to you but now that I have addressed the obfuscation by extrapolation let me address your use of anecdotal evidence.

        In case you don’t know, and for the readers who might not, by anecdotal evidence I mean it as defined by Webster’s Dictionary (based on or consisting of reports or observations of usually unscientific observers). Anecdotal evidence (that you say the WoF confession teaches works, others says it works – That I say it does not and others say it does not) is purely subjective, not objective, and is mere opinion and conjecture. Something cannot be proven to be true or false just because someone says it is true or false. Rather objective truth can be found (in the case of interpreting scripture) by observing to see what the context of that verse or passage demand for the interpretation.

        And furthermore that scripture says people have been raised from the dead it does not indicate that it was because of people words, declarations or confession but that it was Gods will – and scripture shows that people raising from the dead is not normative. While scripture does show that several where raised from the dead it also shows a plethora of people who died who were not raised from the dead. And that Smith Wigglesworth says he raised 13 from the dead and his wife 3 times (anecdotal evidence) this also shows that it is not normative for even a famous charismatic teacher such as him – only 13?. And again IF those people where raised from the dead it was not Smith’s confession and words that done it but rather Gods will and His power. And Wigglesworth career predates the genesis of the WoF confession teaching that was brought into Christianity by EW Kenyon and Kenneth Hagin less that 80 years ago.

        Now what do I think the context of proverbs 18 demands the interpretation of verse 21 to be? Well let us read the chapter again.

        Pro 18:1 Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom. Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. Pro 18:3 When the wicked cometh, then cometh also contempt, and with ignominy reproach. Pro 18:4 The words of a man’s mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook. Pro 18:5 It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow the righteous in judgment. Pro 18:6 A fool’s lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. Pro 18:7 A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul. Pro 18:8 The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly. Pro 18:9 He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster. Pro 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe. Pro 18:11 The rich man’s wealth is his strong city, and as an high wall in his own conceit. Pro 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility. Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. Pro 18:14 The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear? Pro 18:15 The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge. Pro 18:16 A man’s gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men. Pro 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him. Pro 18:18 The lot causeth contentions to cease, and parteth between the mighty. Pro 18:19 A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle. Pro 18:20 A man’s belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled. Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. Pro 18:22 Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD. Pro 18:23 The poor useth intreaties; but the rich answereth roughly. Pro 18:24 A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.

        Upon reading the chapter on one pass I can observe,,, (in hermeneutics [science of interpretation] observation is as important to interpretation as interpretation is to application),,, 19 things that that can be seen to show verse 21 must be interpreted to be non-literal metaphorical language in the form of hyperbole. So as explained before there are two ways to interpret verse 21 – the orthodox non-literal interpretation that words are influential and can be used to hurt or harm people and to tear them down or to help and build people up, and the literal Word of Faith interpretation that words have creative power and what we speak comes to pass and there is literal life and death in the tongue. Time and space forbid me from listing those 19 observations but the use of “contention” 3 times is one of those observations. See if you can spot the rest and then show us any observation from the chapter that you think demand a literal interpretation of verse 21.

        Then you bring up Mark 11:21-22 and 1 John 5:14. The first thing that should be observed is that neither of the verses says anything about confessions, declarations, the power of words or that what we speak will come to pass. Rather it says **whatever we ask**. Asking is not demanding something according to some spiritual law but rather to plead in supplication. Secondly when the passages where spoken and the term you is used, “You” is not Dr. Gary or Damon but rather those who Jesus was speaking directly to – His disciples. So the promise is not to me and you but to them. And most importantly Mark 11:22-24 should be interpreted in light of 1Jn 5:14 “And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing ***according to his will***, he heareth us.” Ourselves, and even the apostles, only get/got what they/we ask that is according to Gods will – not what we confess and declare according to our will and faith. One last thing is that if your gonna apply a literal translation to proverbs 18:21 then it seems right to also give a literal interpretation to Mark 11:22. But we are never gonna see anyone literally cast a mountain into the sea.

        So can you now tell us what observations you see from proverbs 18 that indicate that verse 21 should be interpreted literally? Or will you admit that you cannot validate a literal interpretation on verse 21 from the whole of proverbs 18? THANKS

        BE BLESSED EVERYONE

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        • Hi Damon and everyone!

          I’m sorry that you cannot see that I have validated Proverbs 18:21 through the word of God, the Bible. I will keep you in my prayers.

          God’s Blessings on You and Yours!

          Dr. Gary

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          • Before Iam a sinner but when I receive Christ and walk with Him Iam now a saint! I make some mistakes but that doesnt change my position in Christ Jesus. because God is in the process of perfecting my inner man through His Perfect Son Jesus.

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          • Hi Dr. Gary and everyone,

            Asked 5 times now to substantiate a literal interpretation of verse 21 from the whole context of Proverbs 18, Dr. Gary has not done so. He’s done allot but he has not done what was asked of him and his position since he first entered this post. The reason is that the context of verse 21 demands a non-literal interpretation. I’ll look into, and the Lord willing, I’ll make a post showing my observations as to why the verse cannot be interpreted literally.

            Be blessed everyone.

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  30. Damon.I would caution you against making assumptions and then proceeding to rebuke based on those assumptions.I never said I did not sin-you assumed that.What I said is that I do not count my self a sinner,I do not buy into the lie that “I am a sinner saved by grace”.I was a sinner and now I am saved by grace.If I stumble-sin-every now and then I will go to God and ask His forgiveness but I will not cheapen the work of Christ by continuing to wear the badge of sinner after he has forgiven me and called me out of sin.Continuing to classify ourselves as sinners is accepting defeat and having that frame of mind serves only to make sin an acceptable and constant occurrance.The Bible tells us to pursue the excellence which is in Christ.Jesus himself in Mat 5:48 said “Be ye perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect” but many instead say “I cant be perfect Lord,sorry but I am a sinner”.Nowhere in the scripture does it tell christians to consider themselves sinners,on the contrary we are warned against sinning and instructed to live sinless lives.Please consider the following:Romans ch 6 Reckon yourselves dead to sin/Let not sin reign in your body/Whom you yield yourselves to obey that is whom you serve,either sin leading to death,or obedience unto righteousness/1st Jn 3 “He that sins is of the devil/He that abides in Him does not sin/He that commits sin is of the devil/Psalm 1 blessed is the mann…who stands not with sinners/Isaiah 59:2 Your sins have separated you from your God/.. Christ words “Mat 6:24 no one can serve two masters…In these scriptures and many more I find no provision at all for continuing to consider ourselves sinners if we are truly children of God through Christ Jesus,it is simply counterintuitive..
    damon:
    Hi Dane, I don’t think the question should be,,,,, is Andrea counting herself among sinners is not the right question to be asking. It seems your counting yourself among the sinless. Is that true? Are you saying your not a sinner? Please name others, besides Christ Himself, that are on the sinless list like you?

    And then because Joyce Meyers, Jesse Duplantis and other Word of Faith teachers have claimed to be sinless (a claim they both made and backed out of later after scrutiny) – we can talk about complete sanctification and sinless perfection and if it is even possible for Christians to become sinless. Charles Finny said he knew one man that might have been fully sanctified – how many have you meet?

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  31. Gary,Please read my response to Damon.

    Dr. Gary:
    In response to Dane.Hi everyone!I disagree with you that Christians don’t sin.When the Word states we don’t sin it is meaning that we don’t practice sin.There is total difference between committing a sin and staying in that sin and making a practice of it.When we do fall short and sin we need to repent of that sin (in the name of Jesus) and go forward cleansed of our sin again.It is true that God sees each of us, that have accepted Jesus as our Savior, as perfect through the blood of Jesus Christ His Son!

    1 John Chapter one and first two verses of Chapter two helps us to understand.1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.This teaching of John is to Christians.John is encouraging these Christians to not sin.However, if they do (praise God) we have a advocate (lawyer) JesusJesus stood in for us and took our sins on the cross.However, do not get the idea that it is ok to sin knowing that God is there to forgive through Jesus.We are looking for bad trouble when we do that.John is speaking to us that we do all we can to be sinless, but if we do fall short, praise God, Jesus took on our sins and we can repent and go forward again.What a merciful and loving God we serve!
    Thanks and Gods’ Blessings to all!Dr. Gary

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  32. As a former witch, professional psychic, and affiliate promoter for The Secret, I really appreciate you exposing the truth about this witchcraft, because that’s exactly what it is.

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    • Hi Pennie!

      I just read your comment. I’m curious as to how you came to receive Jesus as your Savior? And do you attend a non-denominational church (church that functions in what we call full Gospel)? I feel that your answer will be hope to others that are lost in sin as you and I once were lost!

      God’s Blessings on You and Yours!

      Dr. Gary

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      • HI Gary, What does Pennies denominational affiliation have to do with anything concerning her statement?

        The WoF issue is not a charismatic verses non-Charismatoc issue. Some of the best works against the WoF come from come from Pentecostal scholars Gordon Fee and D.R. Mcconnel. And the largest pentecostal denomination, The Assemblies of God, has writtien a position paper denouncing the WoF confession teaching as false.

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        • Well spoken. Eve became curious to the words of the devil, in which instance worked against the faith. To the words of satan “to comparison” , “Ye be as gods”. For the truth is to be “In Christ “for before the foundations God chose each one in His Christ where the scope for comparison does not arise.. For even Jesus in terms of comparison said “The Father is greater than I”. Pride, indeed works contrary to the Faith.

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          • Hi Abey!

            Wow! You and Damon sure read a lot into what I said to Pennie! I see from your comments that neither of you have a clue as to why I asked her the questions. That’s ok, but we must be careful to explain our beliefs w/o being judgmental. I hope you weren’t being judgmental; maybe it just sounded that way. It’s different when we are writing and not looking face to face when we discuss issues.

            Thanks for participating. God Bless!

            Dr. Gary

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      • Your Error is America’s Error which is Misinterpretation of Biblical words to yours being “Judgement” to silencing & Americans being the (Mis)interpretation of “Unto Caesar what is to Caesar & God what is to God” to removing God from the lives & its result -the country fallen into the pitfall of sin in all those sexual immorality in the delusion of calling it Liberty, the Liberty of wickedness put in an Ephah established upon her own pedestal is seen, the sorcery or witchcraft to the wickedness driving the Flying Scroll (Freemasonry to leavened laws) unto the Curse, to the Prophecy. Dr., I must say the Doctors & Phd’s of the day in many ways represent the Pharisees of old by their political correctness to read the very basis of America to Deism, which is , man was created to be put into Automatism when the truth is that Man was created to be guided & build by Him in every walk of life, for the stakes of man’s error are too high in the misjudgements.

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    • Hi Pennie, would you be interested in writing a testimony for our testimony page. Please consider it. Here is a lady who came from the occult and became Christian. She has a kool story and a great website.

      Ex-Word of Faith Testimony: Ex-WoFer is also a Former Witch who says The Word of Faith is Witchcraft

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2013/02/07/ex-word-of-faith-testimony-ex-wofer-is-also-a-former-witch-who-says-the-word-of-faith-is-witchcraft/

      You can read more of our testimonies here

      http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/testimony-page/

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  33. abey:
    For knowing is by the scriptures unto its revelations & confirmation is to seeing it.

    Amen, Abbey. Matthew 7:20 “Therefore by their fruits you will know them. God Bless! Dr. Gary

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    • To speak a bit broader, the fruit of the present day Apostasy , Biblically Prophesied, can be traced to the “Gnostic Gospels” found in Nag Hammadi “Planted” off course, that which were rejected by the Saints of old( For the faith was once delivered unto them), Who says there is no Conspiracy for way back before Christ there was stated of the manner “There is a conspiracy seen among her Princes”. In the very beginning God did put an Enmity between the Serpent & the Woman, which is to say “The Plants” came off that manifestation for there were two other things apart from the Gnostic Gospels, also Engineered, all to the’ Abomination of Desolation” prophesied to take place & the Apostasy mentioned in this tread is but a part of it. Freemasonry by the initiations to that of Ancient Egyptian beliefs as its Character, even unto the Prophetic words “Spiritual Sodom & Egypt. To this, Is there not seen a great deal of Sodomic activity even through the laws, the laws leavened, spewing out in a hurry?

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      • Hi Abey!

        Thanks for your comments. I’m interested in your thoughts about the Acts Church and the teachings in the book of Acts.

        God Bless! Dr. Gary

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        • In short revelations of the Bible & its Prophecies noted through the acts of the day . For the testimony of Jesus is the very Spirit of Prophecy & the core of that Prophecy is to the Inheritance of God come by the Covenant unto its revelations unto the fulfillments, even the Acts of the Apostles by the Church in the Faith which is but to know the post Advent of Pentecost, precisely.

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  34. maccos:
    1 JOHN 1:10-If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

    Marco.That scripture you used is referring to our nature and attitude when we come to christ.When we come to christ we have to accept the fact the we have sinned.The reason we know this is because of what the same man writes 2 chapters later “He that sins is of the devil”He that sins does not know God”He that know God DOES NOT SIN because his seed remains in him”.In light of these scriptures we must see that 1st jn 1:10 is not stating that we all are sinners because he also say a few verses later “beloved I would that you would not sin,but if anyone happens to commit a sin we have an advocate with the father,Jesus Christ”.. In my post I give many scriptures that clearly instruct us that we should not sin and that we should not consider ourselves sinners.1st John 1:10 does not teach that we are sinners as christians because he would be contradicting himself with many other scriptures as well as what he wrote 2 chapters later.

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    • The doctrine of sinless perfection is a doctrine of demons and it always ends up back loading the gospel of grace with works. Brought into Christianity by Charles Finney and John Wesley, the doctrine of complete sanctification has morphed from (as finny put it) from a doctrine that it was possible to achieve perfect love (but he had only met one man who he thought had perfected love) – to a second work of grace that removes the Christians sin nature and will allow him to achieve sinless perfection and to be totally set apart from the world.

      Be ye as perfect as you Father in heaven is perfect. Perfect here is Metanioa in the Greek and it means to be mature or complete. It does not mean sinless as proven that many sinners in the bible where said to be perfect (Noah, Lucifer) and yet sin was found in Satan and Noah got drunk as soon as he hit high-ground after the flood. Scriptures says there is no one without sin and Romans 6-7 shows us that we will always have a sin nature – until we receive a glorified body.

      In Danes case it’s really an exercise in futility to speak against sinless perfection because he does not mention that he is actually sinless he just refuses to call himself a sinner and derides others for doing so. But then again he does proof-text scripture to say and mean that true Christians don’t and can’t sin. As pointed out by other when verses say that Christians cannot sin the verb always should render the text,, does not sin habitually.

      I john 1:8 is certainly written by a christian to Christians and John includes him self is the present tense IF **WE** SAY **WE** HAVE NO SIN – THE TRUTH IS NOT IN **US**

      1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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      • Hi Damon!

        We finally agree on something. I realize that we’ve agreed on other things, too, but wasn’t discussed. I’d be interested in your thoughts on the “Acts” church and how it relates to Christ’s body (church) today..

        God Bless! Dr. Gary

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        • Hi Dr. Gary,

          My view of the book of Acts is much different than 20 years ago when I was a charismatic. I used to see it as foundational to normative christian living but I now see it more fits the history genre rather than didactic like Romans. I now see the book as largely transitional in nature and not a reflection of normative Christians living and practice. And the book itself shows that some of the gifts of the spirit petered out by the end of the book. As history bears out the truth that some gifts have ceased.

          Pentecostal History proves cessation of Spiritual Gifts

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      • Damon,first l think you should re-examine metanoia.In the greek it means “to change ones mind”Its definition has nothing to do with love or purity.Secondly I derided no one.I did nothing of the sort.Its too bad that you have chosen to alienate and demonize me for my beliefs instead of conducting a continuing dialogue.I ask questions and give a great deal of thought to everything I say.Instead of conducting a dialogue with me you ignore me and speak of me in the third person and demonize me for my beliefs.I do not teach that we are perfect and sinless,I teach that we should not count ourselves as sinners and should seek to be sinless and perfect because Christ said to do so and I gave a number of scriptures which clearly support that fact.Instead you rail on me and defame me all the while not even making an attempt to discuss even one of the scriptures I have given.I will no longer respond to comments on this thread,its become too unpleasant..

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      • Hi Dane!

        When I said that Damon and I finally agree on something, I meant to imply that I agreed with him about how he believed sin is to be addressed. If you have read Damon’s comments to me, you will see that he writes the same way to me as to you. I encourage you to continue to give your comments, as there will be other subjects arise and it is good to get comments, so that we can pray that we will learn from each other.

        I think bottom line on the sin issue is that we are human and can commit a sin, but always repent of that sin and go forward. When we practice sin we have a real problem. Did you read my comments on this subject earlier?

        How do you feel that the “Acts” church pertains to Christ’s body (church) today? I find it interesting that God gave that church as an example and yet we have thousands of different doctrines, if you will, today. Please, hang in with us and give a comment on my question.

        God’s Blessings on You and Yours! Dr. Gary

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  35. It’s hard to believe but Joel sometimes does mention God to edit Jesus out. Case in point, in his book I DECLARE Joel says that when Lakewood bought the Compaq Center to turn it into the new Lakewood Church the engineers told him it would cost many millions more to renovate the place than had been previously estimated. Joel said he had bad thoughts but chose to to “prophecy his future” by voicing his thoughts and instead relied on God who is called Jehovah Jirah which means God will provide. But that name of God comes from Genesis 22 where God provided a ram for Abraham in place of Issac to sacrifice. Jehovah Jirah does not mean that God will provide millions for a church renovation. It meant that God will provide a lamb to be slain for the sins of the world. But instead of taking a great opportunity in his book to tell people about their sins and need of a savior (which tragically he never does), Joel instead tries to make that name of God mean that He will provide anything we have enough faith to speak and believe positively for. There are many more examples in Joel books that could be made where Joel does about the same thing.

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    • These so called “Positive Preachings” or called cross legged “Love & Fresh Air” teachings to the itching ears, which preachers think that but so doing they do Christ a favor, when in the truth there were hardly any ear pleasing words from Jesus & his Apostles such that even today the Jews are annoyed with Him, annoyed at their own truth within them to the simple logic when man who in sin is appeased, it is the Sin within which is been appeased , but Truth comes as a counter totally against the Sin hence it burns like a sword piercing the heart, its gases emitted, for any one who had the visitation, trembling as is said, which is to Joel’s Prophecy concerning the Post Advent of Pentecost to the Lord’s Army, the invinsible one, would clearly understand what Christ is about, so throughly would one be broken such that he would find himself in the path to eternity to the great blessing, even unto His words ‘The many that I love I rebuke & Chastise” to “My yoke is easy & my Burden Light’ is to say highly effective, for even this has been corrupted today falsifying the latter rain through sects like Joel’s Army , Toronto blessing, Kansas city Prophets etc. Prophets like Rick Joyner, the lot of TBN, God channels, even unto those Christian Zionists all of whom twist the Truth to revealing the Prophecy of the manner ” cause they received not the love of the truth & for this reason God send them a strong delusion that they may believe THE LIE”. “The Lie” -Israel in the wilderness made a golden calf & said ” the gods that brought us out of Egypt” , now the manifestation of that lie of the golden calf & to its gods is seen the symbols & icons within the Supreme court in Tel Aviv coated through Freemasonry – the gods of the golden calf except it be lead back to Egypt through the present gods of Egypt revealing their symbols in the Occult & Lo its Prophets to the delusion well into the truth of the Prophecy of “Spiritual Sodom & Egypt”

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  36. Todd1966:
    Update: Joel does mention God several times and the Bible in the second video. Maybe some people are trying to be too critical for some reason???

    He mentions a “false” god throughout his teachings. Let No Man Deceive You.

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  37. As I read down the list of things going on “in the church” from all these articles and stories, I can’t help but wonder that these so called churches are NOT the church at all. People, be not deceived, for the cleansing that GOD is doing and about to do on a massive scale WILL begin in the church. Rejoice in these kinds of articles. Pray that these leaders come to their senses and repent but rejoice because when the Holy Spirit is done…………what’s left will be GLORIOUS!

    When a pastor starts “watering down” or using cute gimmicks to draw people into his church….it’s a good sign that they are not SOLD OUT for Jesus. Yeah, they’ll have their time in the sun and maybe even get a little bit of fame………….but it will only be for a season. The closer a strong move of GOD is about to take place, the more frequent we shall read these kinds of stories. Do NOT be troubled in your own spirit, but rather pray and intercede for those that are being led astray. Pray that GOD almighty reveal himself to these folks and put light back into their lamps for the glory of GOD. All have fallen short, but we as believers shouldn’t be the ones to finish them off with our words. Our job is to pray and let GOD work on their hearts. I see nowhere in scripture does it say to kill off someone who has gotten off track…..even way off track. Yes, we should separate ourselves but that’s where intercession for them comes in.

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  38. I say stick with the basics, pray to God for wisdom daily and ask him to guide you in everything you do.

    False prophets are so easy to recognize when Jesus lives in your heart.

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    • And that faith a Christian is called to live is called the “Apostolic Faith” the faith that was once delivered unto the Saints & through them, it continues For Eg a true preacher is one who would preach the integral part of salvation which again is to the Prophecy of “looking up the brazen serpent in the wilderness” for the serpent denotes one’s flesh to its desires come down from Eden, ( Israel for a time even worshiped the Brazen serpent till a wise KIng ground it to dust, for by so doing they where worshipping their own flesh) which is but the words of Jesus ‘Pick up your crosses & follow me DAILY”, to say “Crucify your Flesh” for none can take His cross but our own cross to Equate with Him so that by his death & resurrection we may also be resurrected in Him, even to the Prophecy of Daniel unto the stopping “the Daily Sacrifices” , for they are already doing it the so called preachers who preach not this highly inconvenient but integral truth ’cause it crosses their prosperity & social agendas even to the Prophecy “They will gather unto themselves preachers to their “Itching ears”, “They’ are the whole lot of people & the Osteen’s are their just slaves, rendering services which but becomes “Democracy” the way of Politics applied to religion coming against the warning of Jesus “Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s but give unto God what is to God” a clear refutation of his words. One cannot Expect His Spirit to live in oneself behaving in the Contrary , in short it becomes Either God or Mammon.

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