Bloodlines of the Nephilim – A Biblical Study

 

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“And there we saw the giants…. and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers.” — Numbers 13:33.

 

In our original article on the Nephilim, we detailed the Biblical origin of the half-angelic, half-human hybrid giants, known as Nephilim, who were the product of illicit relations between evil fallen angels and human women in the time before the Flood and Noah’s Ark. The flood wiped out the giants but shortly after the flood they returned and spread all throughout the Promised Land. As this article will show, not only did the giants return after the flood, they were major enemies of God and His chosen nation, Israel for centuries. This article will show that for a time Nephilim were all over the ancient Middle East wreaking havoc, attacking God’s people and creating spiritual practices to lure humanity in worshiping Satan and his angels.

Genesis 6: The Origin of the Nephilim

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,  That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.  There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. — Genesis 6:1-5.

This brief passage tells a very important origin story. A group of the “sons of God”, the Biblical name for angels, in rebellion against The Lord, came to Earth and took human women as wives to have illicit relations. And their children, half-human, half-angelic hybrids, were the Nephilim giants. The idea of angels sleeping with women and having kids is not something that all Christians agree upon, know about or even comfortable with. However, the truth of Christianity is based upon one source: God’s Word as revealed in the Holy Bible. And from a study of Scripture it becomes clear that this event did indeed happen.

Were the “Sons of God” Angels?

This question is often raised initially as an objection to the idea that Nephilim giants ever even existed. the Hebrew words for the “sons of God” is B’nai Ha Elohim, which would means these are Heavenly beings, giving credence to them being offspring of fallen angels (the term Elohim is literally the plural of ‘god’). And then we see the children of these sons of God and daughters of men were “mighty men” and of “renown.” They were also “giants.” Something in their genetics made them super-sized people. And it was their fallen angelic parentage.

But again, we must keep searching the Bible to make certain of meaning. The Bible is self-confirming and one passage of Scripture can always be confirmed by another. We see the term “sons of God” next used in the book of Job. Job chapter 1 reads:  “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.   And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.” (Job 1:6-7)

The scene being described, where God is literally meeting with the sons of Go, took place in Heaven. This is a Divine Council that God holds where He chooses to meet with both good and evil angels to discuss affairs of the world (for more examples of these assemblies see 1 Kings 22 and Psalm 82).

Another Divine Council is called in Job Chapter 2. Verse 1 states: “Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.”

So again from the clear reading of the text, the “sons of God” are not human men but are in fact angels, who are meeting in Heaven with The Lord. And the Hebrew term is b’nai ha Elohim. The third reference to the sons of God in the Old Testament is again in Job, but this time in chapter 38. God who in this is posing questions to Job about the creation of the universe (to show Job how little understanding and knowledge he has compared to The Lord) says:

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.  Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;  When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? — Job 38:4-7

So again, not only were the sons of God again with God, they existed even before the Earth itself was created. Every use of the term b’nai ha elohim in the Old Testament is a reference to angelic beings. In the Septuagint, the oldest form of the Old Testament today (and the version most quoted by Jesus and His disciples in the New Testament) the term ‘sons of God’ is not even used in these passages in Job, it just reads “the angels of God.” Thus it can be concluded with certainty that the sons of God in Genesis 6 were in fact, angels.

Did Angels Have Sexual Relations With Human Women?

Job, the oldest book of the Bible, was written by the patriarch Job who lived close to the time of the flood, thus the references to angels reflect this. There is passage not often cited in scripture that states directly that certain angels were indeed involved in illicit relations with human women. It occurs when Eliphas, one of Job’s friends who is consoling him over the loss of his family in a Satanically empowered hurricane, shares a Divine vision he had:

Now a thing was secretly brought to me, and mine ear received a little thereof.  In thoughts from the visions of the night, when deep sleep falleth on men,  Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all my bones to shake.  Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up:  It stood still, but I could not discern the form thereof: an image was before mine eyes, there was silence, and I heard a voice, saying,  Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?  Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly: – Job 4:13-18.

The word “folly” in the Old Testament is used to describe sexual sin. Once again, we use Scripture to interpret Scripture. Here are several examples:

And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land. And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her… And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard it: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob’s daughter: which thing ought not to be done. – Genesis 34:1-2, 7.

Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. – Deuteronomy 22:21.

And it came to pass after this, that Absalom the son of David had a fair sister, whose name was Tamar; and Amnon the son of David loved her.  And Amnon was so vexed, that he fell sick for his sister Tamar; for she was a virgin; and Amnon thought it hard for him to do anything to her… And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister.  And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly. – 2 Samuel 13:1-2. 11-12.

So here we see that certain untrustworthy angels were charged with the sin of “folly” for sinful sexual acts. In the Septuagint the verse from Job says: “he perceives perverseness in his angels” giving even more confirmation that there were sinful sexual acts committed by angels.

The books of 2 Peter and Jude detail the punishment of the angels who committed these sins:

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.  Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.  Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. – Jude 1:6-8.

Here we see a reference to angels who left their “habitation” and are reserved in chains until Judgment Day. This was the punishment for those angels who left their habitation of he spirit world to “go after strange flesh”, namely human women. Also note there is a reference to Sodom and Gomorrah, cities so steeped in sexual corruption that when two Godly angels cam to visit the home of Lot to usher he and his family out of the city, the men and boys came to Lot’s home demanding that the angels be brought out so that they could “know them.”

 

Nephilim Giant Offspring

 

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By the measurements in Scripture, the original Nephilim offspring were quite larger than the average human.

The offspring from this illicit union between angels and human women were giants who “became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” (Genesis 6) The fact that they were giants, is also proof in and of itself that their parentage was superhuman. But these giants were evil. Having been born of corrupted, Satanic angels they dominated the Earth and filled it with violence. It is also interesting to note that the Bible calls them “men of renown.” The Hebrew word here, shem, refers to being famous and legendary. It is as if the Bible is indicating that when the reader hears of legends of “demigods”, titans or legendary heroes who were part god, that this is who those “myths” were referring to. These were ‘men’ of superhuman ability and strength. In addition to causing violence and sin in the world, the Nephilim were also corrupting the human bloodline.

 

Why Would Satan Do This?

 

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As it will be in the end times, much of the conflict centers around human DNA.

After the sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden God pronounced a judgment on Satan:

And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. – Genesis 3:14-15.

This pronouncement was historic. God proclaimed that the means by which Satan would ultimately punished and destroyed would be through the seed of the woman. (It must be remembered at this point that our enemy, Satan is a far older, and vastly more powerful and evil being, so this prophecy was a serious pronouncement). A human woman would give birth to a male child who would one day destroy the Devil. This was the first prophecy of the coming Messiah, Jesus Chris. Satan was put on notice. From then on he set out to corrupt or destroy an God-fearing child as that could potentially be the prophesied Redeemer. To no surprise the first Godly child born, Abel, was killed by his wicked brother Cain. Cain was banished and Adam and Eve bore another son Seth. At his birth Eve declared: “For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” – (Genesis 4:25).

As more God-fearing sons began to populate the Earth, Satan instituted his Nephilim plan into action. By corrupting the seed of the woman, Satan could prevent the birth of the Messiah, who of course, had to be human and not part fallen angel. Satan wants the Word of God to fail but he knew that in addition to the woman, God prophesied that Satan too would have a “seed” (v. 15). Thus the Nephilim were an attempt to thwart God’s plan of salvation for humanity. At every step, the Nephilim giants, via their evil angelic parentage, sought to undermine or undo what God had set out for humanity to be reconciled to Him. In their dominance of the Earth, they reproduced so rapidly, God proclaimed that all flesh on the Earth had become corrupted. They dominated the Earth with war, bloodshed and their pagan religion (which will be covered in Part 2 of this series).

The Nephilim giants spread violence and sin that: “God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” Humanity was on the verge of being wiped out with no hope of being saved from sin if every person born became part fallen angel. Thus God judged the Earth with the flood.

The Purpose of the Flood in Noah’s Day

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Rather than being an act of cruelty, the Flood was God’s way of saving the last of humanity from complete destruction.

Many pastors, Bible scholars and Bible skeptics alike view the flood as God’s way of dealing with humanity after humanity just sinning too much. However, with all due respect, this is a very simplistic way of looking at the flood. After all, today’s society is just as corrupt and depraved, if not far worse than any era before (more people have been killed in war in the past century than in the prior 900 years). So why would such a global judgment only happen in Noah’s day? The answer is that there were far more complex issues going on in the days of Noah then just humans sinning.
The flood served 3 chief purposes: 1) To destroy the Nephilim giants. 2) To punish the angels who committed the illicit relations with women and make an example of them so that no other angels would ever attempt this again and 3) to save humanity from certain destruction.

Much more than the “over-reaction by an angry God” as skeptics like to paint it, the flood was God’s way of preserving the human race and its bloodline, before it became completely corrupted by the Nephilim giants. This is an important point: many people today point to the flood as “proof” that God is cruel and angry with humanity all the time, and willing to just kill millions of people in genocide on a whim. However the Biblical truth was that God sent the flood to preserve humanity and to make sure we could still receive the promised Redeemer who could save our souls. Without Jesus Christ, there is no hope. There is no future. There is no forgiveness. Meaning every person would spend eternity in hell. The flood was God’s way to keep that hope for all people.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Noah was chosen to carry on and re-start humanity after the flood because he was a believer in God. Additionally he was “perfect in his generations” which meant that his genetic bloodline and ancestry was 100% human. Noah had not been a part of the Nephilim hybridization that was plaguing humanity. The Hebrew word for “perfect” in that verse is tamiym, which means “complete, whole” with reference to health and physical condition. This is the same word used to describe the condition of animal sacrifices to the Lord:

And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD to accomplish his vow, or a freewill offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein. – Leviticus 22:21.

Thus Noah, his three sons and their wives were able to survive the flood and re-start humanity. But unfortunately, the Nephilim giants returned.

Nephilim Giants After The Flood

 

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Noah and his family survived the flood. But the Nephilim gene came with them.

“ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that…” — Genesis 6:4

The verse above makes it clear that Nephilim giants returned after the flood. Now nowhere in scripture is it again written that angels ever cohabited and/or had relations with human women after the flood. Genesis 6 was the only instance of this. So how did the Nephilim return? How could this have happened? The Bible holds the answer:

And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.  And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons’ wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. –Genesis 7:6-7.

While Noah and his sons were 100% human, we are not told the same about the wives of his 3 sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth. What is clear is that one or more of these women were carrying the Nephilim gene. This is the source of the post-flood Nephilim. Nowhere in the Bible is it ever stated that angels once again cohabited with human women.

The first time Nephilim giants are mentioned by name after the flood is in Numbers 13 after the Exodus in which Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt to go to God’s designated Promised Land. Moses sent 12 spies to scout out the land in advance. 2 of the spies, Caleb and Joshua spoke of the land in glowing terms and urged the Israelites to enter and rightfully claim the land God had promised them. But the other 10 spies had a different opinion:

And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.  But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. 32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.  And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. – Numbers 13:31-33.

We will discuss this extremely important passage in much more detail below but a few things should be noted. First off the giants living there were descendants of specific person named Anak.  This description, where a Nephilim is referred to as “[name] who was born of the giant..”  shows that the Nephilim hybrids after the flood were the offspring of other giants and not angels (this will be explained in greater detail in Part 2).  And in Numbers 13, the giants the spies saw were the sons of the Nephilim giant Anak.

And they were so large that the Israelites spies were like insects to them. Additionally, these giants had special agricultural knowledge that they knew how to grow grapes so large that it took two Israelite men using poles to carry a cluster! So how did the giants return and how was it that they knew to be in the exact place that God was going to send His chosen people to, namely the land of Canaan? The answer starts with the lineage after the flood.

The Bloodlines of the Nephilim

The Bible provides a specific geneology and bloodline of the Nephilim giants after the flood that can be traced back to Noah’s own sons. What seems to be consistent with the presence of the Nephilim gene was an affinity for evil, due to their fallen angelic parentage. And among Noah’s sons, Ham was by far the most wicked.

Ham

“And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.” – Genesis 9:18.

From the first time Ham is introduced, he is described as “the father of Canaan.” Notice none of his brothers get any similar distinction. Whenever special descriptions are included in a genealogy in Scripture it is the Bible’s way of saying something significant happened with this particular event. And the student of the Bible should search the Scriptures to find out what that event could be. In this case, it is clear that Canaan carried the Nephilim gene. This could only happen through his mother, Ham’s wife, having the Nephilim gene herself, since we know Noah in all his generations was 100% human. If Ham were wicked and not a follower of God, the odds of him taking a wife who was a part of the Nephilim hybrid pagan culture was much higher (B&E: also note that throughout Scripture, men who fell into sin often ended up marrying wives who worshiped false gods; for example, Solomon or King Ahab). And from what the Bible details, Ham was no follower of God. In fact, he was involved in an inappropriate incident with Noah that led to a curse:

And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. — Genesis 9:20-26.

The details of this incident are somewhat vague but going by Scripture alone, it can be concluded that Ham, out of evil intent, looked at his father’s nakedness and then made it public. The Hebrew term for “without”, chwuts, means “outside, in the street.” But the evil of this sexually immoral act is again repeated by the Lord as a general principle for all to follow:

Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!  Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the LORD’s right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory. –Habukkuk 2:15-16.

Shem and Japeth, righteous children of Noah, show a contrast as they seek to respect their father’s dignity by not looking upon, him and carefully covering him. Ham’s sin was so severe that it resulted in his youngest son Canaan becoming the second person in the Bible record to be cursed (the first being Cain, the wicked son of Adam and Eve).

That Ham was wicked (there is no record of him ever repenting for this sin) would make it more likely that he would marry a woman from a pagan family who would be carrying the Nephilim gene.

Why Would God Allow Nephilim DNA to Make It Through the Flood?

(B&E: Special thanks to reader Rick for raising this question). If it were not already clear, the reason why God permitted the Nephilim gene to make it on to the ark is because of human sin. We can never forget the role we play in human affairs. If humans sin, they will be judged. If they do not follow God’s ways, they invite sin and its inevitable destructive force.  Ham was not a follower of God and he was judged for his sinful rebellion via his wife.  As will be seen in Part 2, the Nephilim nations after the flood are at various times used by God as judgment against the Israelites for their disobedience. We are all responsible before God.

Part 2 will also review Noah and the world he was living in. There were giants walking around the Earth warring with nations, angels openly being revealed and being worshiped as gods and all sorts of supernatural activity taking place.  The pre-flood world was a very unique place. Noah’s family was well aware of this and that it’s root was satanic, hence Noah being a “preacher of righteousness.” Ham rejected God’s righteousness and God’s ways to forge his own. This was solely Ham’s fault. James chapter 1 outlines the process of sin in one’s heart:

Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. – James 1:12-15.

Ham was drawn by his own lusts to the pagan, sinful world. He knew the right way to live because the Bible states that  Noah was a “preacher of righteousness.”  Noah and his family were completely aware of the Nephilim hybridization taking place and Noah clearly made efforts to live separate from this.  Despite having the most Holy man on the planet (literally) as is his father, Ham had no faith in God.   This always brings in sin to a person’s life. We can never forget that when looking at any Biblical account. God could have certainly killed Ham’s wife or told Ham “she’s corrupted” but it is this author’s thinking that Ham did not care about what God had to say because Ham was not a follower of God. Ham had a choice. And he chose to reject God.

There are  many examples of this in scripture. Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt and right up to the Promised Land but could not enter. Why not? Because of his sin. King David brought the ark to Jerusalem where it was supposed to be all along but could not build the temple for it. Why not? Sin. King Solomon had the most prosperous reign in all of Israel and yet led to the nation dividing and ultimately being conquered. Why? Sin. Sin provides the backdoor for Satan to enter and execute his next move in the chess match between he and God. Let this be a lesson to the reader: Satan is relentless in his quest to corrupt and destroy you. And if he cannot get to you, he will happily enter your life through a child or family member.   Ephesians 4 states:

 

“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness…Neither give place to the devil.” – Ephesians 4:22-27.

We are renewed in the spirit when we have salvation in Jesus Christ. And we are not to leave any space in our lives for Satan to enter.  Satan entered the space of the ark because Ham invited him.

The Curse of Canaan

What is interesting is that Cannan of Ham’s three sons, was the one cursed. Why? Why is Ham distinguished as “the father of Canaan”? Is it possible that Canaan was already showing the appearance of being part Nephilim? This is not stated in scripture, but we will see a similar distinction made for another infamous hybrid being below. What we can know with certainty that it is from the line of Ham that we find the resurgence of the Nephilim giants.

By comparing Scripture with Scripture, the lineage of the post-flood giants can be traced specifically to three of Ham’s sons, Cush, Mizraim and Canaan. The Bible is full of lineages and the Bible student should take note that they hold significance in bettering our understanding of Scripture. The first grandson of Ham who receives special designation in Genesis 10 is King Nimrod.

 

Nimrod

 

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Nimrod led the tower of Babel rebellion. Was he a Nephilim giant?

 

And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan. And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.  He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.  Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,  And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city. – Genesis 10:6-12.

 

Just as Canaan received a special distinction in his genealogy, Nimrod gets several extra verses! Clearly this is someone of special significance. Nimrod was the first murderer and conqueror in the post-flood world. He was the founder of the city of Babylon which became a center of pagan, satanic idolatry, much of it with various versions of Nimrod himself being worshiped as a god. His name, which means “to rebel” or “let us rebel” indicates his disposition. He was an enemy of God and at the time was Satan’s main servant on Earth. He is credited for leading the effort to build the tower of Babel, a religious temple used to access the angelic realm through pagan ritual. The Tower of Babel was also the first attempt at a global government, led by Nimrod and an attempt for man to reach the spiritual realm and “godhood” without The Lord (to which God swiftly responded by destroying the tower, confusing the languages of all the people of the world and scattering them all over the Earth). Was this grandson of Ham possibly a Nephilim?
It is interesting to note is that the verse 9 states that Nimrod “began to be a mighty one in the earth.” The term for “mighty one”, gibborim, is the same Hebrew phrase used to describe the Nephilim giants in Chapter 6 of Genesis who were “mighty men”. It is also the same term used to describe the giant Goliath in 1 Samuel 17:51. Was Nimrod a Nephilim? In mythology, Nimrod is known by many names, among them Gilgamesh and Osiris, who were worshiped as gods. In Sumerian texts he is described as “2/3 god, 1/3 man.” The Hebrew word for “began” in the verse is chalal, which means, “to profane, desecrate or pollute oneself, begin, ritually or sexually”.

Matthew Henry’s Bible commentary on this passage states:

That which is observable and improvable in these verses is the account here given of Nimrod, v. 8-10. He is here represented as a great man in his day: He began to be a mighty one in the earth, that is, whereas those that went before him were content to stand upon the same level with their neighbours, and though every man bore rule in his own house yet no man pretended any further, Nimrod’s aspiring mind could not rest here; he was resolved to tower above his neighbours, not only to be eminent among them, but to lord it over them. The same spirit that actuated the giants before the flood (who became mighty men, and men of renown, ch. 6:4), now revived in him, so soon was that tremendous judgment which the pride and tyranny of those mighty men brought upon the world forgotten. (source)

The final piece of evidence to consider is that in the Septuagint, the oldest version of the Old Testament, the same verse from Genesis reads:

And [Cush] begot [Nimrod]: he began to be a giant upon the earth. He was a giant hunter before the Lord God; therefore they say, As [Nimrod] the giant hunter before the Lord. – Genesis 10:8,9 (LXX)

So from just the text of scripture it appears that through some form of defilement and/or occult ritual, Nimrod. the grandson of Ham, was transformed into a giant. This would not be the only time a human king was transformed into a different creature. Please note that in Daniel 4, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, was literally transformed into a “beast” and lived as an animal for seven years. And this was at the pronouncement of “watchers” and “holy ones” (the same type of angels that are named as being involved in the Genesis 6 illicit relations in extra-biblical texts like the Book of Enoch). (B&E: There is much more to write on Nimrod and his role in Bible scripture that will be covered in a forthcoming article. In the meantime, we strongly encourage the reader to research and explore this figure).

Casluhim and Capthor

And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,  And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim. – Genesis 10:13-14.

Ham’s son Mizaraim also contributed to the Nephilim lineage. In verse 14 we have the first mention of the Phillistines (whose forefather was Phillistim), the nation of the giant Goliath. Calshuhim was the father of Phillistim and his family later resided in Capthor in the Promised Land. So we see the direct origins of the Philistines, one of the most heated enemies of the Israelites, who also carried the Nephilim gene.
In fact, as will be shown, the Philistine nation was the final “hideout” for the remnant of the Nephilim giants. And they can be traced back to Casluhim, the son of Mizraim and grandson of the evil Ham.
Canaan

The name of Canaan should be the most familiar as it was the land that bore his name that was the Promised Land that The Lord reserved for the Israelites after they escaped out of Egypt thanks to God miracles and the leadership of Moses. The fact that they were in the Promised Land the Israelites were supposed to inhabit was no coincidence! The Philistines were worshipers of demons, fallen angels and Satan. And the Nephilim giants among them were working to attack God’s chosen people. Canaan’s line contains many of the enemies of God:

And Mizraim begat Ludim,  And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,  And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, — Genesis 10:14-16.

The Jebusites, the Amorites and Gegusites, all cousins of Nimrod, are mentioned time and time again with reference to the Israelites capturing the Promised Land. These families were usurpers in the Promised Land and carried lots of the Nephilim gene. This is once again why God had to deal mercilessly with these nations. It cannot be stressed enough that the Nephilim threatened not only the existence of the human race itself but the ability of an all-human Messiah to eventually be born as well. Note God’s instructions to Moses on how to battle against these children of the cursed Canaan:

When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:  Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. — Deuteronomy 7:1-3.

Notice that God describes these nations as “greater and mightier than thou” to the Israelites. The physical and military advantage was clearly on the side of the enemies of God – the nations that were home to the Nephilim giants. But what gave the Israelites the ultimate edge was that The Lord Himself was going to supernaturally intervene early on in the conflict to deliver the enemies of Israel so they could be defeated. This point is not discussed enough: God fought against and defeated the early post-flood Nephilim.  This shows the severity of the matter. The Lord was no longer allowing these superhuman, powerful hybrids to dominate humanity. Thus He not only says to wipe out these nations, but makes a specific point of prohibiting any marriage between them. God was bringing the spread of the Nephilim genes to an end.
Lord willing, at this point it is clear that giants did indeed exist in the Bible and in large number. Satan, who has constantly sought to stop God’s plans and destroy the souls of humanity, used a select group of angels to interbreed with human women and try to corrupt human DNA. By altering humanity from being no longer fully human, Satan could ensure that a pure human Messiah would never be born. To counter Satan’s offensive, God sent the global flood judgment to punish those angels who committed folly, destroy the Nephilim and save the existence of the human race. The flood ensured the Messianic bloodline was preserved so that we could have a chance to go to Heaven. It was as an act of love of mercy on God’s part to save a people that had rejected him to follow Satan’s minions and their God-given powers.

The bloodline of the Nephilim after the flood can be clearly traced to Ham, Noah’s evil son who brought a curse upon his own child, Canaan.  But this is just the beginning. In Part 2, “Nephilim Giants – Enemies of God in the Bible” we will continue to examine the post-flood Nephilim lineage from the perspective of the righteous men of God who fought against them throughout the Old Testament in the continuing chess match between God and Satan and the Sons of God against the seed of the Serpent. The article will also look that as the number of Nephilim giants on the Earth decreased, they soon became smaller in size. And we will reveal a modern occult mystery so secret even Wikipedia states it do not have the answer for it! These and other revelations will be detailed, all of this from the pages of Holy Scripture.

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      B&E!!! Fabulous job! I’ve been very busy and couldn’t get over here for awhile…too long. I can only say that I am very happy with this article. Thank you so much for sticking to the Bible only and not being distracted by so much nonsense that the enemies of God continually try to throw in our faces. I am strongly resisting the desire to reply to some of the comments posted. It seems that the truth of the scripture has once again caused a few problems in the coven. I’m laughing! :0) Thank you so much for your good work. There is no question who is ruling the world – Matthew 28:18 ” And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” P.S. I just have an opinion about why God would not slaughter whichever relative of Noah’s who carried the giant genes…it’s just not like Him. Noah being righteous, probably saw imperfections in his sons and daughters-in-law but he still would have tried to save them and hope for the best. Just like Abraham saved Lot, I believe God would allow Noah to rescue his family and deal with the consequences.

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      • Christopher Taylor says:

        http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/reprints/Sons-of-God-in-Genesis-6.pdf
        A convincing refutation to this deception. I do believe the Satan wants everyone to believe that he and his demons can have children with humans. However, the verse in Genesis refers to the same people as mentioned in Jude 1:4-16. The ones who are blessed because of Exodus 20:6 but as Jude says “ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.”

        Please pray about this as I believe the enemy is attempting to insert his fantasies into our faith! He wants this to become reality. Because of research into genetics and quantum computing I believe this will be accomplished in the antichrist, but it also will only come on the Lord’s terms. Remember who is in charge and pray for everyone who may be deceived.

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        • Hi Christopher,

          Thanks for your comments. Jude in the passage you cite is comparing two groups: false prophets and the angels who sinned.

          4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

          Clearly, two distinct groups are being compared here. And the angels who sinned, in context are “as Sodom and Gomorrha”, who committed illicit sexual unions. Jude states this quite clearly.

          Additionally, your article does not provide the proper translation of the word “nephilim” (it is not from the Hebrew root na-phal, other wise it would be spelled “nophelim”, not nephilim). It means giants. Which is precisely why the Septuagint translators used the greek word gigantes for them in Genesis 6 and again used gignates in Numbers 13 among other passages. Your articles tries to cast the nephilim as “warriors who inspire fear.” If that were the case why would the Septuagint translators use the term gignates? There are words for “fear inspiring warriors” in Greek and yet they used the word for giants in translating the text from Paleo-Hebrew. I do not think your article adequately addresses this. It also doesn’t explain the context of Numbers 13: The Israelites had just crossed the Red Sea and saw God destroy Pharaoh and the mightiest army on Earth at that time. Why would “well-trained warriors” in the land of Canaan suddenly inspire so much fear? And why would they specifically use their enemies size as a reason for fear, and not their weapons or military ability? It’s because these people, specifically, the sons of Anak, were giants.

          Just something to consider. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. God bless.

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        • This man supposes everything. If that’s convincing I have a bridge to sell you here in NYC. Peter and Jude may be referring to angels? Giants are mentioned numerous times in the scriptures and they descend from aristocrats? Some like to explain away the supernatural and bring God down to man’s low level. God is supernatural and is all powerful and almighty. Jesus spoke of men like your refuter in Matthew 15:9. Pray that your eyes may be opened and close your ears to those who teach the traditions of men.

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        • take a look at the evidences– they have found giant skeleton remains 20 feet tall and skulls that are hybrid skulls.

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    • Where is part 2????

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      • Where is part two?? Where is part 2

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        • Where is part two?? Where is part 2

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          • reply to recent comments-remember ‘do not cast you pearls before swine” those who reject Christ are not to be engaged in a colloquy of nonsense. they are to be left to beelzebub.

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            • hi peter
              i am after information before i make my mind up, i am researching the truth when i find it i will make a decison,please could you what you talked about more clearly please,regards notsrub.

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              • i will try to help you-God created the world and man-when you look out at sun,moon,stars,earth nature all things are order. this alone should prove to you that there is a God. this could not have happen by chance. God created man and the universe for his on pleasure and companionship. for man to continue as a companion he had to follow God’s instructions. man was given freewill and did not obey God. this was called sin. God provided a way to correct this by sacrificing and shedding of blood. to start he allowed man to use animals as an example but knew he would have to provide a permanent fix for this sin problem. so he actually created himself in the flesh in the womb of the virgin Mary. He was borned lived a perfect life, which was required as his life had to be unblimished to be the perfect sacrifice. He then was crucified on the cross was in the grave for three days and came back to life with a new body. in the flesh He was named Jesus Christ . the old testment bible prophesied this would happen. therefore, Jesus Christ’s death and coming back to life did away with sin for all of mankind. this is called the new testment or new covenant between God and man. the book of John the apostle chapter 3 verse 16 sums up what you have to do to get to heaven quote- For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life- this you have to believe as child. get a new testment bible and start reading. Jesus Christ is the truth, the way and the life no one goes to the Father except through Jesus Christ. Godspeed

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                • notsrub says:

                  hi peter
                  thanks for writing in a way that i can understand more easily,thank you for that i have read certain bits and peices from the hebrew bible the book of genesis the book of enoch,and have also researched extra terestials the thing is every body seems to have a different take on it.do you think god or gods were extra-terestial if they were would it make any difference has they would still be gods or gods what do you think
                  regards notsrub

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        • did anyone ever find part 2?

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    • I enjoyed your article, but would like to add one point. God is perfect and does not break his own laws. One of which is displayed in reproduction. When 2 different species breed, there offspring is sterile. This is a law of nature, one created by God. I understand that the Nephilim did exist, and agree they were a primary focus of the flood, but if they existed after, they would also have to be the offspring of fallen angels, not a Nephilim.

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    • This article, in my opinion, is very well written and concise as to what the writer is conveying. That is refreshing and the study appears to be on target. Just a few thoughts: I was digging into what happened when Satan corrupted Eve and started the enmity between the bloodlines. If you look at other writings of the time such as Enoch, there is detail showing that both Satan and Adam impregnated Eve in that encounter, and Cain is the child of Satan which the Bible states to be true. After this, the other fallen angels did the same thing to the daughters of men. Now even the Nephilim are referred to as men, so say they impregnated a daughter of Cain, who was already part Satan’s seed. That resulting child would be over 50% fallen angel! Could it be that anything over 50% fallen angel blood would be a Nephilim giant, and 50 and under would be a normal sized Nephilim?

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      • Just to add a reference for the above, John 1 vs 3:12 “Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother…”. Now there was only Adam, Eve, Satan, and God present with Cain. “Of” refers to the origin of Cain, and I can only conclude that the wicked one is Satan.

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        • What you are talking about is referred to as the serpent seed theory. You must be careful about this my brother, this theory is a twisting of the word of God. When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden, he twisted the word of God, and this allowed sin and death to enter the world. The Bible in fact confirms that both Cain and Abel were born of Eve from the Lord.

          Genesis 4:1-2
          Afterward the man knew Eve his wife which conceived and bare Cain, and said, I have obtained a man by the Lord
          And again she brought forth his brother Abel, and Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain was a tiller of the ground.
          1599 Geneva Bible

          The Bible makes it clear that the man (Adam) knew (fornicated) with Eve his wife, not satan. And right after says that the child is from the Lord. As far as the scripture you quoted about Cain being of the wicked one, yes satan is the wicked one, but that doesnt mean he slept with Eve. If you keep reading Genesis ch 4, Cain does choose not to follow God, he gives God a bad offering and is jealous because Abel gives a good one and the Lord respected Abel for it. So in a rage of jealousy, Cain kills his brother (Genesis ch 4:3-8). So in that sense, he was of the wicked one, he didnt give the best of what he had to God, and sin took over. My point, is that when we twist the word of God, it allows sin to creep in and eventually death. I pray that you will continue to search the scriptures and let Jesus Christ show you the truth. God Bless.

          Psalm 127:3
          Behold, children are the inheritance of the Lord, and the fruit of the womb His reward.

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          • Thank you. Am I correct to say that Cain is the serpent’s seed spiritually and the enmity between he and his brother was the result of Satan’s original deception? Also, does this mean that, if they did not eat from the tree, there would be no children, and an eternity in the garden of Eden with just the two, God and Satan? Thank you again.

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            • Hi Tyomies
              To answer your question about the serpents seed, his seed are the Nephilim or giants created by the fallen angels committing folly with human women. God put enmity between all the Nephilim that were going to be created and the woman that would eventually bring forth the coming savior. You said a spiritual seed but it indeed was a physical blood line that was meant to destroy human DNA. This is why the fallen angels are locked in the abyss until judgement day (Jude 1:6-7). The angels had defiled themselves sexually with women, not satan. But again, because the fallen angels are evil and in a sense “of the wicked one”, this makes their offspring the serpents seed talked about in Genesis 3:15.
              As far as eating from the tree, I don’t know what you mean by there not being any children if they didn’t. All it means is that sin /death wouldn’t have entered the world, however this was Gods plan from the beginning so he could send his Son to be a mediator between God man
              (1 Timothy 2:5). And remember Jesus was with God in the beginning and came to take away sin (John 1:1-5, John 1:29). That should answer your last question, God gave us a commandment to multiply and fill the earth (Genesis 1:28). And it was so we could all be with Him through Jesus Christ(1 Timothy 2:3-6). It’s good that you want to learn about God’s plan, I urge you to look at these scriptures and find some more on your own. I will be praying for you brother. God bless.

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      • Hi Tyomies,

        Thanks for your post. The “serpent seed” idea is a false teaching that has no Biblical support at all. I also am unaware of any ancient text that states it. What ancient writings were you referring to where you read this?

        In addition to Collin’s response, which I am in agreement with, I just wanted to add this:

        “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”

        If the eating from the tree was supposedly a code for intimate relations, then what did Adam do that was a sin? Certainly not having relations with his wife. Yet Scripture is clear that Adam and Eve both sinned and Adam is given responsibility for bringing sin and death to the world. So I am curious as to how you interpret this passage.

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  2. The fallen angel theory man not be as cut and dry as we have been lead to believe. This guy brings up some very interesting points by going a little bit deeper into the Hebrew.

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    • One more thing, This is part 1 in a 4 part series and is definitely worth taking a look at. I have watched all 4 parts.

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    • Hi Peter,

      With all due respect the arguments in this video are inadequate as it does not deal with a great deal Scriptures in the Old Testament that demonstrate that fallen angels did indeed have illicit unions with human women. In fact, he waits until past the 16:00 mark before he even starts to deal with any of the Biblical text at all. So let’s look at his main argument.

      1)Violates Immediate Context — He says there were no angels in the immediate context. Well if you don’t believe “sons of god” means angels, well then of course this point is right. But he is wrong because b’nai ha elohim in fact does mean angels. Elohim is the plural of god and angels are referred to as gods many times in the old Testament (i.e., Psalm 82). We see this again confirmed in Job 1 and 2 where the sons of God are clearly angels. The video author says comparing the term in Job to Genesis is “illogical.” But it is logical because Bible interprets itself by itself. 1 Corinthians 2 says:

      “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.”

      Scripture is spiritual. Jesus said His words are spirit. We are to learn from the Holy Ghost by comparing Scripture (spirit) to Scripture (spirit). This is how God instructs us to learn the Bible:

      “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:” (isaiah 28:9-11)

      We are to take precepts from different parts of the Bible and build them on each other to “understand doctrine” and really get into the “meat” of the Bible. Thus we are to compare. Notice the author of the video does not mention this but credits his BIblical knowledge to his Professor and “hermeneutics.” The Bible says nothing about hermeneutics or using them. I choose the methods commanded by The Lord.

      Furthermore, Job 38 states that the sons of God existed BEFORE the Earth was even created (38:15). At this point, they could not possibly be human. He does not even address this.

      Another flaw is that he states that the Bible does not say giants “in the original Hebrew.” What he does not realize is that he is using a modern Bible version that is not translated from “original Hebrew” which would be paleo-Hebrew. His Bible version is translated from squared, Masoretic Hebrew which was created centuries after Our Lord Christ and added vowels which paleo-Hebrew does not have. The only Old Testament copy today that is translated from paleo-Hebrew is the Septuagint (which I quote from all throughout this series). And it indeed does say giants. Now someone doing a serious theological examination should be aware of this.

      He concludes by saying there is no indication that angels are in view in Genesis 6. But this begs the question…Then why were the offspring giants? Why were they from 9-30+ feet tall (as will be shown in Part 2)? Why were these particular offspring ‘men of renown’? And furthermore, why did God bring the flood and then a subsequent campaign to wipe out any nations that had giants among them? There is just so much in Scripture this video does not deal with. I know there are 3 other parts, but this video demonstrates that the author is not really taking on the substance of Biblical texts that shows that there were angels having illicit unions with human women.

      Finally, we would of course have to ask the meaning of Jude when it states:

      “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire”

      Jude is detailing the punishment of angels who fell into the sin of fornication who are now locked in chains in the abyss. How do you interpret this verse? I look forward to your response. God bless you abundantly and thanks for taking the time to read the article.

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      • I recommend watching his other 3 videos. He goes into more detail. What did you think about the synonyms he introduced. That makes sense to me.

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        • With all due respect, I probably won’t get to watching all 3 videos, as I did not find the first one that compelling and I am working on the other articles for the series. But if there is a point he makes that you would like my thoughts on, I’d be glad to respond. Which synonyms are you referring to that you like?

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          • Well I know one of the evidence statements that is used for the fallen angel view is that b’nai ha elohim always refers to angels. I think that is a pretty critical evidence for the fallen angel view. However, in the video he showed that it is not necessarily the case through the use of synonyms. Did you see that part? I was unable to prove that point wrong.

            Also, since you don’t plan to watch his videos I will answer the questions you brought up, because I asked him the same questions. lol

            What is the Jude verse all about?

            He would say that it is not directly connected or referencing Genesis 6 and that it is generally accepted that when satan fell, he took rebellious angels with him. So it is entirely plausible that this is what is being referenced. It does not necessarily prove a Gen. 6 connection. That is part of the flaw in the the fallen angel view. It assumes to be true more than it proves to be true.

            And when he said that I couldn’t argue with him because when I read the passage in Jude it is more of an assumption that it’s referring to Genesis 6 than a fact.

            Another point he made that made sense was when asked why you had really tall people in the Old Testament, he responded by saying: “People were quite different back in these days. People lived to be 600 years old..”

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            • B’nai ha Elohim — I don’t really get his point there. He was basically saying that just because the term means angels in the book of Job does not mean it is the same in Genesis. Is that what you’re referring to?

              He would say that it is not directly connected or referencing Genesis 6 and that it is generally accepted that when satan fell, he took rebellious angels with him. So it is entirely plausible that this is what is being referenced. It does not necessarily prove a Gen. 6 connection. That is part of the flaw in the the fallen angel view. It assumes to be true more than it proves to be true.

              “When Satan fell he took his rebellious angels with him” — What does this mean in the context of Scripture? Yes, Satan and 1/3 of the angels rebelled. But they are free to roam the earth and the skies. We know Satan is not locked in a prison. So why would any angels be? Jude explains why they are imprisoned:

              And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

              The text could not be any clearer. The angels who are presently imprisoned in the abyss were punished for fornication. That’s just the plain meaning. Which is why I asked how do YOU interpret this passage?

              If you need more evidence that this is referring to Genesis 6, then you look to 2 Peter:

              For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

              Again we see the angels who sinned being cast into hell (remember Satan is NOT in Hell – Satan roams the Earth seeking who he may devour). And they are being connected to the time of Noah. And we are only even referring to these verses because the author of the video inexplicably says that “sons of God” does not mean angels, even though that’s what it means everywhere else in the OT and we are told the sons of God existed before the creation of the Earth (Job 38).

              As for the height being because of age, for one the Bible does not say that. It says that giants came because of the intercourse between the sons of God and the daughters of men. Furthermore, the long lifespans were due to the hyperbaric atmosphere that existed on Earth before the flood (see Genesis 2:5). After the flood, the topography and atmosphere of the Earth radically changed and thus lifepsans drop sharply. Yet hundreds of years after the flood, there are still giants. And if everyone was a giant back then, why would the Israelites have been scared at all when the spies went to scout the Promised Land? If everyone was big, what was there to worry about? It does not follow logically.

              Again, I do not think the video makes compelling, Biblically based arguments. But thanks for sharing more of its points. God bless.

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          • Eagerly awaiting part 2…

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      • What about the word “also” in Genesis 6?
        After watching a number of videos, and two bible studies, reading the book of Enoch, and the book of Jasher as non scripture, I can not call myself an expert on this yet but I have to agree with the angel view at this point. The “Sons of Seth- Daughters of Cain interpretation leaves me wondering about so many things in the bible. But, the Angel view answers a lot of questions. Still, I was NOT convinced, until I saw the following passage…. talk about needing to take scripture on its face. I had to ask myself…. what exactly did God mean by the word “ALSO” here??? Is this word also in the Hebrew and the Greek? Because if it is, God is being very plain. Man is also flesh, so, something else is flesh in addition, at least, at this time.

        Genesis 6:3 KJV
        And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he ALSO is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

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        • Hi Linda,

          This is a phenomenal point. I had never considered this before. You actually got me right to researching and while I have not gone through the whole Old Testament yet, I can tell you that the Hebrew גַּם or “gam” which means also, is only used 3 times in the book of Genesis (since it is an adverb it is used in other senses 5 other times, but its use as “also” is all that is relevant for this discussion). In all 3 instances, it used to compare two people or two groups. I will definitely look into this more though and get back to you. Thanks for bringing up this very interesting argument. You are searching the Scriptures very, very carefully. God bless you abundantly.

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          • i was instantly touched to see Linda explain that she is no expert, however, she saids, “I had to ask myself…. what exactly did God mean by the word “ALSO” here???”,

            Her seeking God and taking the challenge of what it is to rightly divide and decern the word of GOD, is breath taking…all one needs to to is ask God and he will lead you to understanding, im tearing up as i write this.

            The lord is with you Linda. Thx for your study.

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      • With all due respect, my points have not been adequately addressed at all. I took the time to go into extreme detail into the Hebrew of the text to make valid points. Instead of dealing with those facts, you played the “paleo-Hebrew” game and ran to the Septuagint translation for support. However, most who understand translation also understand that translation can be accurate or inaccurate in its representation of the original.

        My video series on this topic is 5 videos so far, and I’m not done yet. The use of the term “giant” in the Septuagint no more proves that giants are the offspring of angel/human sexual relations than the fact that a person who is small in stature could be called a “giant” of a man proves the small man was actually tall. The word has more than one meaning, and this explains why “giant” may at times be substituted for the Hebrew “Gibor” in the Septuagint.

        While your answer to my video points sounds “spiritual” and pious, it is ultimately ignorant and dangerous. You can’t just interpret Scripture willy nilly, and compare what should not or cannot be rationally compared. You can take one part of Scripture, “Judas hanged himself,” and combine it with “Go thou and do likewise,” and end up foolishly authorizing and validating suicide. It’s called the fallacy of “collapsing contexts.” And so one of my valid points is, just because the “sons of God” in Job appear to be angelic, that in and of itself cannot prove that all other instances of the term “sons of God” must be angels. What about the New Testament usage? There the “sons of God” are clearly human believers. And even in the OT, humans are ALSO called “sons of the Most High” and other terms synonymous with benai ha Elohim.

        I have done my homework quite extensively, and to dismiss my extensively researched videos based on nothing more (in my view) than your bias for this position is ridiculous. Remaining ignorant of valid points against your position is not wise. There are so many basic problems with the “fallen angels” view of Gen. 6 that it is no wonder that it was overturned in theological circles with what is called the “Sethite” view.

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        • Hi Arthur,

          Thanks for your comments. I did not write my comments to address the points of your video. A reader asked me to watch your video and I obliged. Please note that as I said in my comment I did not watch your entire series. So I did not give the impression that I was addressing all of your videos nor will I be doing so.

          We clearly have vastly different methods of interpreting the Bible. You called the analysis of paleo-Hebrew a “game” and look down upon the Septuagint for no apparent reason. Have you studied Hebrew? You say that “translation can be accurate or inaccurate in its representation of the original.” This is a rather general statement that frankly does not refute anything I said in my comment or the article. Nor does it indict the Septuagint. If you have a specific charge you want to bring against the text, then do so by all means, but just saying “we all know translations can be wrong” does not advance an argument, especially in light of the fact that over 90% of the quotes of Old Testament scripture by The Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostles are directly from the Septuagint.

          You also say this:

          You can’t just interpret Scripture willy nilly, and compare what should not or cannot be rationally compared. You can take one part of Scripture, “Judas hanged himself,” and combine it with “Go thou and do likewise,” and end up foolishly authorizing and validating suicide. It’s called the fallacy of “collapsing contexts.” And so one of my valid points is, just because the “sons of God” in Job appear to be angelic, that in and of itself cannot prove that all other instances of the term “sons of God” must be angels.

          I completely disagree with you here. First of all, the Bible tells us to use Scripture to interpret Scripture. And comparing “Judas hanged himself” to “go thou and do likewise” is a nonsensical comparison. When I say comparing Scripture with Scripture, I am talking about multiple uses of the same word or phrase. The sons of God in Job do not appear to be angelic. They are angels. The New Testament use of the phrase would obviously have to be viewed in light of the fact that we are now dealing with Greek and not Hebrew but that does not change the consistency of the use of the phrase (there are clear Biblical reasons for why John used that phrase and why it is indeed consistent with the Old Testament). As for the phrase “sons of the most high”, there is no such phrase in the Old testament of the King James Bible.

          I have every right to disagree with your video and I stand by my critique of the initial video. There is no reason to take such a hostile, antagonistic tone because we happen to disagree on a theological issue. I hope that this discussion can take on a more civil tone. Or we can just simply agree to disagree.

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          • Hello B&E (I’ll use this for short). First of all, I fail to see how you can discern any kind of “tone” from mere text. My “tone,” to make this clear, was not hostile. I strongly disagree with your view for many valid reasons, but I am not hostile to you or your view, especially because I used to believe that the “sons of God” of Genesis 6 were angels. But after more careful and detailed study, I have come to realize that my prior view simply does not hold up. And the reasons for this view I have been posting on YouTube in a video series that is now 5 videos long.

            Second, you may have a right to disagree with my video, but to argue against a SERIES that you have not viewed in its entirety is unwise. You cannot adequately judge a book you have not completely read, nor a movie you have not completely viewed. Some of my vids are over 40 minutes long, and I go into great detail in the Hebrew and Greek.

            You ask me if I studied Hebrew. Yes, on the graduate level. I can sight read it and also write in it. I also taught myself NT Greek, and later had my knowledge verified by a State Department of Education accredited university in New York. I later also took NT Greek on the graduate level. All my original languages grades are top of my class. I no longer just rely on a “King James” translation, which, like many translations, has mistranslations in it.

            Third, I called your use of an argument about paleo-Hebrew a game because those of us (like my Hebrew professor) who know Hebrew know that your argument is totally invalid and amounts to no more that a “game.” I do not look down on the Septuagint. I just understand it and its nature. The etymology of the word possibly mistranslated as “giants” is unclear. My research on it continues. But the translators of the KJV would “translate” different Hebrew words into “giant’ when the original word did not necessarily mean “giant.” This is a fact that cannot be ignored or dismissed with ad hoc claims about “paleo-Hebrew.”

            Fourth, your claim on this forum about the use of the English word “folly” and how the Bible uses it is also fundamentally flawed. You have no regard for context (folly is not always sexual in the Bible), and you ignore the fact that in every case of sexual “folly’ you presented a DIFFERENT Hebrew word is used than the one used in Job 4:13-18. So not only is the context different, but the Hebrew words are as well.

            Fifth, I never said that the phrase “sons of the Most High” was in the OT of the “King James Bible.” It does exist, however, in the original Hebrew of Psalm 82:6, from which the KJV was translated.

            And finally, my general statement stands. Translations are nice and good, but only so far as they are accurately translated. I also stand by my point that you are engaging in the fallacy of collapsing contexts in your attempt to interpret Scripture with itself. There is a right way to interpret Scripture, and a wrong way, and I believe your way is incorrect in many ways, which accounts for your “fallen angel” view of Genesis 6. You cannot assume that the “sons of God” in Genesis must be angels just because they may be angels somewhere else. The CONTEXT of Gen. 6 must tell you this in light of the entire Bible (not mistranslations of it). I would suggest you actually view my entire series, as I will be addressing every pertinent passage you bring up (Jude, etc), and the invalid arguments people try to use to support your view.

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            • Hi Arthur,

              Thanks for getting back to me. Once again, I did not comment on your entire video series. I made it abundantly clear in my comment that I only watched the initial video and gave my thoughts on it because it was asked of me. You chose to do your presentation in a manner that was not compelling to me. It is my right and prerogative to say same. It is important that when you are putting content in the public view on bible topics (whether it’s a video, article, radio show, etc.) to know that there are going to be varying opinions on it. We (meaning you and I) have chosen to do this and thus have to be able to deal with people who disagree with us. Disagreement is not disrespect. I don’t really want to carry a full-on debate but I will address some of your points:

              Third, I called your use of an argument about paleo-Hebrew a game because those of us (like my Hebrew professor) who know Hebrew know that your argument is totally invalid and amounts to no more that a “game.” I do not look down on the Septuagint. I just understand it and its nature. The etymology of the word possibly mistranslated as “giants” is unclear.

              You have now repeated that this is a “game”, but you have provided no evidence as to why the Septuagint is an invalid source. You have provided no evidence as to its errors and you have provided no evidence of the translators having issues with the etymology of the word “giant.” These are assertions that you should have ready historical resources to support (especially give that you have studied these specific issues).

              In Numbers 13 we see the same term for “giant” used in the Septuagint that we see in Genesis 6:

              ” 33 And they brought a horror of that land which they surveyed upon the children of Israel, saying, The land which we passed by to survey it, is a land that eats up its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of extraordinary stature. 34 And there we saw the giants [gigantes]; and we were before them as locusts, yea even so were we before them. ”

              The context of the passage is the first source for the definition of a term. And here there is no question as to the meaning. The giants were indeed, giants. Men of superhuman height.

              Fourth, your claim on this forum about the use of the English word “folly” and how the Bible uses it is also fundamentally flawed. You have no regard for context (folly is not always sexual in the Bible), and you ignore the fact that in every case of sexual “folly’ you presented a DIFFERENT Hebrew word is used than the one used in Job 4:13-18. So not only is the context different, but the Hebrew words are as well.

              Again, we are looking at context. What my point is that int the ENGLISH version of the KJV Bible, the word “folly” refers to sexual activity. I even provided a different translation from the Septuagint, which uses “perverseness” which again denotes illicit sexual activity. The translators, understanding the context of the various passages I cited (which all clearly were about wrongful sexual acts) opted to use the word “folly.” And the use in Job 4:18 is completely consistent with that.

              The sons of God in Job chapters 1 and 2 are angels. The “children of the most high” in Psalm 82 are angels (again, something referenced in this article). So to say the “sons of God” in Genesis 6 whose offspring were supernaturally sized men who became legends of the ancient world, were “mere humans” is actually an assumption on your part. The text does not support you.

              I know that you are very passionate about this issue and I completely respect that. I anticipate that we will remain at variance on this. But I think that the use of the Septuagint and the method of interpretation that relies on actual context and the Scriptures defining themselves by themselves are a valid way of understanding this text.

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              • rob valenti says:

                i’ve read some of Peter’s posts and as far as he goes i think he’s being robbed to pay paul. i mean that he is not having an objective veiw of these issues and he too is being led astray from the truth. it’s the blind leading the blind. who is more the fool, the fool himself or the fools that follow the fool?

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        • Arthur,
          I need a little clarification from you. First , full disclosure, I fully believe in the scripture saying that angels did have relations with human women and produced mighty offspring, I read the bible front to back each year in addition to studying it and looking at the translations and their roots.

          That being said , where in the NT dies it actually refer to believers as actual sons of God, I believe the correct reference is that they shall be “as the sons of God” . Meaning they shall know the things previously unknown to man and see things as the angels see , not that they are sons of God.
          Just wanted to make that distinction . Looking at the whole word of God and it’s context is important. And remember ” fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom ”
          Blessings

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      • rob valenti says:

        your right! i can’t believe that this guy who initially sounded wise, but soon after took a turn for the better part for satan himself. what is the greatest accomplishment of satan? it was to get people to believe that he was never there. this guy seems to bring his points out without malice and trying to be sincere, however i think he is not in tuned with Holy Spirit of understanding, but rather has fallen into the very subtle trap of satan himself. he explains the importance of context and power points and the imediate thereafter, but fails to see the simple things in genisis that states that the angel’s found the daughters of men to be beautiful and left their natural state “in heaven” to have relations with them and later bore them giants which were the men of fame. this is not talking about the regular race of people already here on earth because a man having sex with a woman is not out of the norm. this guy just talked himself right out of the truth. and it’s sad because he started of well. i wouldn’t say he’s a minister of satan because i would be judging him, but i hope he finds the truth because he appears to be looking and i hope he finds it and it be given to him.

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    • Thanks for posting my video here. I have recently posted part 5 in the series, detailing another problem with the “fallen angels” view that I call the “moral” problem created with “fallen” angels “marrying” human women. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnamIbQV-7o

      More are on the way, especially since I need to make some points about the Hebrew and that it does not claim “giants” were the result of the sexual union of the “sons of God” and human women. We have people today with “giant” stature, but that doesn’t prove angelic/human inbreeding. And to even assert essentially that the only way for humans to gain tall stature is for there to be some kind of angelic/human hybrid flies in the face of the omnipotent God’s creative ability.

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      • rob valenti says:

        hello arthur, i just think your going about your study all wrong man. how can you not see what’s right in front of you. i believe your a sincere study student wanting to pass a good thing on to people, but the scriptures say something that is totally not what your explaining them to be. your over using your rule, sticking to it in all that your reading from the Bible and therefore it is “twisting” your view of scripture. the same twisting that the apostles Peter and Paul refer to when giving a warning to the early Christian congregations. people who think they have it all, but do not and therefore go on leading people astray with a deceptive art of teaching. relying upon their own understanding. God want’s us to gain an accurate knowledge of the scriptures and this also is what Jesus and His apostles along with faithful ones wants everyone to do so they can gain a clear understanding of the truth and not a watered down version. this is not what Jesus meant when He said to come and drink life’s waters free. it means clarity, purety. Jerimiah 10:23 says that it is not for man to even direct his own step. try asking for direction from God. i know you said that you have been studying for 29+ yrs. and that’s to be comended because the majority of people out there would rather rearrange their sock drawer than exercise their spirit with God’s word. but remember this, that taking in the knowledge of God is lifelong and we shouldn’t rely on a number of years we’ve been studying because the apostle paul said that the light would be getting brighter and brighter. remember what Jesus said to His apostles when he stated that there are many things i can tell you today, but you will not understand them? He meant that new informitive, reliable, life saving information would be coming to light in the future. the future arthur is not over, we still have time to learn until the great day of armageddon comes. just like the flood. it’s not too late to dig deeper as one would for treasure. spiritual treasure. would a sailor or a piolot rely on old coordinates to take him to different places? of course not. if you wnt to go in different directions safely for you and your passengers you would make adjustments. perhaps because of some unforeseen occurences wou may noy be able to rely on your physical compass at all, but have to instead rely on your trained intuition. an intuition that comes from accurate study and application. the studying in this case better be accurate. if not, you and your passengers are dead. so you see the need for a clear understanding arthur? one that makes a man sharp spiritually and able to navigate through this wicked society run by satan and his demons. they want you to have doubt, they want you to lose your life, they don’t want you to cultivate a relationship with God whom they left. do what KIng David did. read, meditate, ponder. linger on the subject if have to and don’t rely so much on formalities, let God form you and shape you. let endurance have it’s work complete like the scripture says. in order to gain endurance we must continually work at it and not sit in one place.it’s like a muscle, if you don’t use it, you lose it. we have a spiritual muscle given to us by God. i wish the best for you, but it is you who’s gotta do it!

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  3. Excellent so far, BaE.

    I did read something that I’m questioning, but I’ll study it a bit more before I bring it up. It may just be that I’ve misunderstood something.

    I’m pleased to see that you included the curse that so many within the church say was upon Ham, and show it accurately. One other point I’d like to make regarding that, which is off topic but mildly connected, is that this curse did NOT result in the emergence of the black race. This is yet another falsehood which is often perpetuated by so-called “Christians” to justify their racism.

    Looking forward to part two, my friend. I’ll be getting back to you on that potential issue. God bless.

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    • The “curse of Ham” warrants its own article which I may do in the near future. But yes, you are 100% correct that the curse on Canaan has nothing to do with the Black/African race. And the idea was indeed used as a tool of racism.

      Glad you enjoyed the article and look forward to any thoughts you have. God bless.

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  4. The fallen angels infected EACH of Noah’s sons’ descendants; however, the genetic corruption was thorough and complete in JAPHETH’S descendants, via Gomer’s bloodline (Ashkenak (ashkenaz-disambiguation). The scriptures bear witness to this fact. The Nephilim rule the world today: they are Caucasians. They are the Son of Destruction.

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    • Hi Sophia,

      Thank you for your comments. With all due respect, This video is full of errors. For one, the very first piece of “proof” it tries to use is the definition of the word “wicked” based on Paul’s use of it in 2 Thessalonians 2. However, what the author of the video misses is that Paul used the word “Wicked” not “wicked” to refer to the Antichrist. The use of the capital W signifies it is a proper noun. Paul was quoting the Old Testament when he used that title. So the entire basis for this video’s incorrect theories are flawed.

      It also takes terms in Revelation and looks up their meaning in Aramaic. Why? Revelation was written in Greek? The Disciples read Greek Bibles. Aramaic has no relevance whatsoever. Like most racial superiority theories that try to find Biblical basis, they have to use incorrect interpretations, wild assumptions and outside sources for support. God is no respecter of persons. I would strongly recommend just sticking with the Bible.

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      • It always amazes me what someone in denial will say (or do), to convince themselves.

        The Cainanites were descendants of CAIN.

        But as you know, and which destroys your attempts to deny the truth, there is too much evidence that the scriptures were written in Aramaic and translated into Greek (too many Bible scholars have argued and have shown proof of this fact). Even the (real) Israelite man, whom you erroneously refer to as Christ (and who was not a Gentile), speaks in Aramaic in the scriptures (and you know which verse). But his is not the only occurrence. As it is, the image you worship (Jesus Christ) was used in an attempt to replace the seed of Adam–they failed.

        As for that Wicked: The PERSON’S name (that proper noun of which you speak) is: Japheth (as the cross-referenced lexicon number reveals in the video presentation. That Wicked is of the Gentiles, and Japheth’s descendants are identified to be the Gentiles (they are called Europeans and Asians today). Or perhaps Japheth’s name (that Wicked) is not proper-noun-enough for you? My suggestion is that you pay attention to the video and the sources that are cited, and research them for yourself.

        There will come a day, and it has already arrived, that the Gentiles will be told their origins (you can trust that a great number already know). The fallen Destroyer angels, who have been released from their places of bondage, are here on earth, once again, and they live in the FORM of men, although they are not men (Just because it LOOKS human…). They rule the world from behind the scenes (Benjamin Disraeli, a seed of the fallen, knew this, as he stated this fact). If you are of European or Asian origin, then you are the fallen angels’ seed. And if you resist their final global kingdom, be forewarned: they will move you out of their way, and they do have a history of doing so in the most violent of ways…

        As for the Gentiles, the Aramaic word for Gentiles is: women (FACT). As the prophecy states: he will not show regard for the desire of women (his seed, the Gentiles), nor for any god (his demon sons) while he is establishing his final, global government (Daniel 11:37). Your desire to maintain your governments, independent, does not matter to him/them, and neither do your protests, because all current kingdoms belong to the fallen angel who destroyed the Gentiles (Japheth’s bloodline–that Wicked). And until the authority is taken from that fallen angel by the Most High, that fallen angel will do with his kingdoms whatever he pleases.

        As far as the image you worship and put your trust in (Jesus Christ), he too was a Nephilim seed, and his fallen angel father does NOT care about his son’s worshipers (that includes YOU). Or did you not know that two of the Nephilim laws states that children of the fallen shall NOT cause mortals or others, to worship them, and they shall not call themselves gods? Another Nephilim law commands them to not eat humans and to not consume blood, but they do. By the way, the other Aramaic word for Gentiles is: deaman (today, they spell it: demon).

        Question: Do YOU enjoy your meats rare??? If you do, you should ask yourself why because the children of Adam (humans) KNOW to not consume blood, as this is a commandment in the Law, given to Moshea, the human. The seed of the fallen angels, however, ignore this law and other laws of the Most High, because their fallen angel nature drives them in a direction of opposition to the Most High and His Laws. Hmm: did you know that the word English, when translated, means angel-man? It refers to one who is part angel, part human. The word Engl is actually German ( Engel), and means: Angel. The word Ish, is Hebrew AND Aramaic, and means: Man. ANGEL-MAN. ENGLISH. A human Chimera. Part angel, part human. And did you know that the Assyrians called the descendants of Gomer, the Khmyrra?? Or did you not know that the ARAMAIC word for leaven is: KHMyRRA! . (And no wonder the deamans don’t want too much to be known about the Aramaic language, because Aramaic exposes their identity, as does the Syriac language!)

        But as it is written: Although I share this truth with you, you’re not going to listen because your state of denial will overrule your ability to reason without bias, outside of fear and shock. My only advice to you is this: While you are here on earth, do as good as you possibly can (follow in the footsteps of Chabel (You were told his name was Abel, but it wasn’t. And if you understood the basics of Hebrew and its sister-tongue, Aramaic (yes, Hebrew and Aramaic are relatives), then you would know Chabel’s REAL name.)). If you are a seed of the fallen and work evil while you are in the flesh, you will not have rest when you die. In fact, your lot will be consummate thirst and never-ending hunger (of course, you know the parable of the rich man and Lazarus). Believe me you, there are things out there far worse than death…

        And I dare say: Either your research if desperately flawed, or you’re DELIBERATELY publishing false information, otherwise (as I said before) you would know that those so-called Canaanites (Chayin-ites, also: Cainan-ites) were descendants of CAIN, one of the sons of destruction. Chabel and Cain’s father was the fallen Cherub himself. The fallen angel who rules this world has some very unpleasant surprises in store for all of you, because you don’t know and can’t see (or you want others to believe that you can’t see ) who your enemy is. And if you’re European/Eurasian/Asian, the enemy that you SHOULD be able to see (but won’t acknowledge), is your fallen angel father.

        Forewarned is forearmed (with truth).

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        • “The Cainanites were descendants of CAIN.”

          Again, this is why we are at such a variance. The Bible clearly delineates the descendants of Cain and there is no overlap with Noah. And Noah is the grandfather of Canaan. Not to mention that the root of “Cain” and “Canaan” in Hebrew are not the same word, do not have the same Hebrew shape and do not have the same definition. So the only way one can believe this is by rejecting the Biblical account.

          I don’t know of any anicent Aramaic New Testament manuscripts, but I do knew that the Hebrew roots/Black Israelites/British Israelite movements like to make this argument. What you ignore is that ancient paleo-Hebrew is a lost language.

          I just don’t see the point in all of it. In all of these racial superiority doctrines, Jesus is always there in a secondary role. The “Race” (which one it happens to be making the argument that day) is always primary. This despite the Bible telling us to “put no confidence in the flesh.”

          If you think your heritage is going to save you that is your right, but it certainly is not Biblical. Same for saying Cain’s father is Satan. But what is most alarming in your post is that you encourage me to “do as good as you possible can” as your only advice to me. Don’t you know those are instructions to Hell? It is Christ Jesus who saves us from damnation when we put our faith in Him. Not “doing good” or being a “good person” which is impossible while we are in earthly flesh. I hope you look to Jesus Christ and believe to salvation. Because that is far more important than pumping up your racial supremacy doctrines that have no Biblical support.

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          • Humility Does NOT Come Easily says:

            I would just like to point out that in scripture during the time of the destruction of the tower of Babel, doesn’t it say that God mixed up all the languages of all the people and scattered the people all across the Earth! Wouldn’t that make it kind of redundant to try to pin point a certain race(s) as being the main carrier of the Nephilim gene. Scripture trumps yet again.

            On a brighter note, GREAT article B&E. I look forward to the other parts, I hope they don’t take too long to be posted.

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          • I just wanted to say I really enjoyed this article you have wrote! I have heard of the Nephaili and have listened to many different theories about them. I will not commit to say anything for sure, yet for myself for I am not skilled to understand all the Lord has done except what He has revealed to me. However, I found everything you have put together in this article extremely insightful and very interesting especially when I have always wondered why God would have Israel kill All the inhabitants of Canaan, which with all that you said would make perfect sense! I am very eager for the part two! And by the way, I felt I should say this cause I have glanced through a lot of the comments of your article with people trying to bring race into this. God does NOT judge you by color and in no way are we to do the same and it saddens me that people always try to bring such things into God’s Word! I have a class in college with people of all races and there is times when I look around the room and feel how amazing God is! How we are all connected and one in Christ Jesus! This is what we should be doing, instead of dividing ourselves because of such petty things we should be coming together in Christ for that is just one incredible part of God; how his spirit brings people of all nationalities together as one in one thing… Love in God, Faith in Christ and Hope in the Spirit!!! God Bless great job again

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            • HI THERE
              thanks for replying i would just like to say i am not racist,it is very difficult to write things without appearing that way,i love most people no matter where they come from or race i have many friends.my story started like this i was intrigued by the film de-vinci-code and thats where it all started watching programes on discovery channels the internet etc,thats where the issue of the chalace comes up,everybody is looking for a cup,now my own personnel thoughts are is,its actually the the human body the vessel,thats my thoughts anyway,know concerning the lost tribes of israel a very interesting subject led me two some starling discoveries,there are different things said about some of these tribes articles in various parts of the bibles seeing there are more than one.some were farming some were more war like ,now i am only looking at little snippets of the bible,that tell you about these tribes and there journey fascinating really its quite a difficult subject to talk about because some are connected to secret societys ie freemasons the knights templer etc,its like a puzzle you have join the dots together and come up with your own conclusions about this.conspiracy theorists say about the royal bloodline being the Cain line.know if you look at the summarians tablets and the pharoes they do seem to wear rather large elongated hats and also the skulls that are shown on the internet.To be honest i have not much knowledge of the bibles ie Hebrew the book of Enoch etc New Testament,know i have been watching various video,s ie Rob Skiba etc .this alien thing i listed on this site seems to be occuring more and more on news sites internet etc also the God gene neathandrafel man,very worrying things really whether you are Religous or not,too me the world is a very strange place at the moment,and my thoughts are there for everyone.

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          • kim silver says:

            B & E – LOVED THE ARTICLE. i have read alot of the nephelim and yours so far was the most Bible based article that i have read and where it made sense. I was reading the comments and am just amazed how far others take it…it’s there in black and white in the Bible. Sure you can read the book of Enoch and other books that are not in the Bible and they may fill in the background more but i think all you need is the Bible to let you know about the Nephelim. Some of the comments while i was reading all i could think of was that verse and i am heavily paraphrasing…Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. When you try and throw unsound doctrine in the mix, like the Archons and David Icke’s theory then I believe you are playing right into Satan’s hands and are overlooking the message that God is putting out there. Be on your guard. Focus on Yeshua, let HIM be whom you serve and everything will fall into place. I look forward to reading more.

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        • Am surprise by your attack Sophia , it will do you good to at least read the bible and do your research and not based on videos and or other text there is a difference between Cain and Canaan , there is a reason why God in is infinite wisdom has hidden his truth within his words. It is clearly because of perverting knowledge. Wisdom is the principal thing,
          Obviously you are quoting from another source that is not the bible but what I don’t understand is the attack on race and who your reference of the seed of Adam is. If you are Jewish then obviously you have never studied the Torah well.
          In what way are European, Asians and Eurasians bear any resemblance to the biblical description of the fallen? Because they are uncircumcised? , the grandchildren of the israelite where uncircumcised before Joshua was instructed to do so , does that make them Nephillim?,

          Hmmm, with argument like your’s now I see why your race still wander in the wilderness.

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        • hahahahahha you are crazy and good luck. B and E dont even respond to this psycho lol

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        •  ”Hmm: did you know that the word English, when translated, means angel-man? It refers to one who is part angel, part human. The word Engl is actually German ( Engel), and means: Angel. The word Ish, is Hebrew AND Aramaic, and means: Man. ANGEL-MAN. ENGLISH.”
          The biggest issue I have is you trying to validate your theory of English meaning angel-man. You use to different laguuages to define one word. There is no german/hebrew language to ky knowledge so how can those two laguages be used to define a single word?

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        • HI SOPHIE
          NOTSRUB HERE interesting stuff know i dont know to much about the bibles i have been researching a lot and trying to come up with answers,i am on the same wave length as you concerning those in power to day and what they have in store for us,whether you look at the news papers the internet actual every day life you can tell something isen,t right, people need to wake up and fast because the world is going to get ugly for us all ,whether you are christian muslim Atheist etc these people dont care,and you dont have to be of there BLOODLINE has long has you play there game,being a puppet is fine.These people think if you have lots of money you have the power and the right to proclaim that they are gods,This scenario that is happening know in fact has happened many times before,If you look at the egyptians massive populations just vanished,i dont think so,the slaves turned against there masters,unfortunaetly they diden,t get them all,there is evidence know that there were early civilisations in egypt before them in egypt,you can see by satelite photo,s also lost citys under the sea pyrimids appearing all over europe covered under earth making them look like mountains,know being uncovered,If we think Evolution is the truth then people have been brain washed,pyramids weren,t tombs they,were massive free energy ie batterys,yes these people had Technology ,are masters have know stumbled across this in the past and have kept it secret from us [nice of them] Its all coming out know did we ever need fossil fuels not really,IRAQ it just wasen,t about the OIL,This man would not play there games plus,this is where they say BABYLON is they were ancient shrines there with lots of ANCIENT artifacts and knowledge of past times and also ancient TECHNOLOGYS from past gods or false gods.there has been a lot of interest in Antartica for the last hundred years or so,information coming out about a A NCIENT LAKES GIGANT CAMEL has just been found,THE NAZIS OR VRILL has they are known had a lot of interest in this place during the war,AND STILL IS PEOPLE INVESTING LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY,they even say this is where ALANTIS is,they haven,t said this ,but then they wouldent would they.Any way the BATMAN FILM THE DARK KNIGHT RISING,i am sure they are trying to tell us something,Why would the vatican have a massive telescope in the american mountains Idian legend says This is where the GODS came down from heaven,look up Thom Horn Chris putman,all interesting stuff and it all has to do with the past and present,be safe people and open your eyes we all live in the same boat .

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        • elffreund says:

          gross. JESUS IS GOD! u may have a surprise after death….

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  5. It is stated that “God sent the global flood judgment to punish those angels who committed folly, destroy the Nephilim and save the existence of the human race”

    If one purpose of bringing the flood was to destroy the Nephilim and cleanse humanity of corrupted DNA, but that strain of DNA survived within humanity and the Nephilim reappeared after the flood , then either God failed in His purpose or the statement is incorrect.

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    • Hey Rick,

      Thanks very much for your comment. I am going to clarify that statement in the article. The group of angels who sinned with women and their children were the targets of the Flood judgment. All of them were killed (which the Bible states clearly). God killed all flesh upon the Earth save for Noah and his family. So God indeed destroyed all the Nephilim who lived before the flood. As to your point as to why they would be allowed to continue, we can never forget human volition in the role of world affairs. If humans sin, they will be judged. If they do not follow God’s ways, they invite sin. Ham was not a follower of God and it reflected in his choice of wife. Thus he was judged for it. As will be seen in Part 2, the Nephilim nations are used as judgment against the Israelites at times of disobedience. We are all responsible before God. Part 2 will review Noah and the world he was living in. There were giants walking around the Earth warring with nations, angels openly being revealed and being worshiped as gods and all sorts of supernatural activity taking place. The world in Noah’s day was a crazy place. His family was well aware of this and that it’s root was satanic, hence Noah being a “preacher of righteousness.” Ham rejected God’s righteousness and God’s ways to forge his own. This always brings in sin to a person’s life. We can never forget that when looking at any Biblical account. God could have certainly killed Ham’s wife or told Ham “she’s corrupted” but it is this author’s thinking that Ham did not care about what God had to say because Ham was not a follower of God. There are really many examples of this in scripture. Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt and right up to the Promised Land but could not enter. Why not? Sin. King David brought the ark to Jerusalem where it was supposed to be all along but could not build the temple for it. Why not? Sin. King Solomon had the most prosperous reign in all of Israel and yet led to the nation dividing and ultimately being conquered. Why? Sin. Sin provides the backdoor Satan to enter and execute his next move in the chess match between he and God.

      Thanks very much for asking that very good question. I will update the article to address this point. I hope you continue to read the series and provide your feedback. God bless.

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      • Beginning and End,

        God works in divine and mysterious ways that are often incomprehensible to mortals. He gave us an inquisitive spirit and a Bible so deep and profound that it continuously provides us with insight and guidance should we bother look there to find purpose and meaning for our temporary, mortal existence here on earth.

        Thank you for taking the time to build this web site and for offering your studied thoughts on various subjects introduced in the Biblical texts. Your work here has stirred me to reconsider my thoughts on the rapture and, more importantly, to think more deeply about the fairness of accepting God’s gift of salvation through the suffering of His innocent Son. Taking something for nothing never seemed to be a fair thing to do, but rejecting a loving gift out of delusional, self righteous pride is quite another issue.

        May God bless and keep you under His wing.

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        • Rick:
          Beginning and End,

          God works in divine and mysterious ways that are often incomprehensible to mortals.He gave us an inquisitive spirit and a Bible so deep and profound that it continuously provides us with insight and guidance should we bother look there to find purpose and meaning for our temporary, mortal existence here on earth.

          Thank you for taking the time to build this web site and for offering your studied thoughts on various subjects introduced in the Biblical texts.Your work here has stirred me to reconsider my thoughts on the rapture and, more importantly, to think more deeply about the fairness of accepting God’s gift of salvation through the suffering of His innocent Son. Taking something for nothing never seemed to be a fair thing to do, but rejecting a loving gift out of delusional, self righteous pride is quite another issue.

          May God bless and keep you under His wing.

          Rick,

          I couldn’t help but to chime in on the last part of your statement. The gift of salvation/life through Jesus Christ comes in return of repenting from your sins and following Christ…..and it gets much tougher after that, in a great way of course.

          God bless you on your journey.

          AMAZING ARTICLE.

          Beginning and End:
          Hi Michael,

          Thanks very much for your well-written, thought provoking response. I respectfully disagree with it and think you have completely misunderstood some of the points made in the article. And I am going to address this racial/superiority issue that keeps popping up in this thread.

          1. Meaning of the word Nephilim –I am not going to go into all the details of this word in Hebrew but assume that you have studied it. In short, the word “ylpypn” in Hebrew is a masculine plural participle. The “im” in the word obviously indicates that it is plural. So the root, “npl” gives us its meaning. It the word was the Hebrew “naphal” (to fall), it would be spelled “nophelim” not “nephilim.”It would actually have a different vowel than what it has in the Hebrew. Additionally, it is also why the Septuagint, which is based on Paleo-Hebrew (that has no vowels) uses the word “gigantes” and not “fallen” or “fallen ones” etc. It also explains why the same Hebrew word in Genesis 6 for giants is what we find in Numbers 13 when the 12 spies encounter the sons of Anak who were giants. The idea that Nephilim comes from naphal just has no actual grammatical support. For an excellent treatise on this exact question, I would strongly recommend the essay by Dr. Michael Heiser, a professor and one of the foremost experts on ancient near east languages, which can be found here.

          2. “If you confine yourself to Hebrew and the Bible, the conclusion is that the Nephilim were fallen angels while the sons of God/gods were human men.” – While I do “confine myself” to the BIble in my article, the Nephilim are the OFFSPRING of angels and human women.

          3.The word folly – You are correct that the definitions of the word “folly” you will find in Strong’s refer to general errors or mistakes. However it is a fallacy to think that those definitions negate the Bible’s use of the word. Concordances are helpful and important, but when studying the Bible it is important to remember that first and foremost, the Bible defines itself, by itself. And from studying Scripture it is clear that “folly” in the Bible has a sexual connotation, even though Strong’s concordance does not define it that way. Once again, the Septuagint confirms this because it does not use the word folly in Job 4 – it uses “perverseness” to describe the sin of the angels, which obviously has a sexual connotation to it. So there is no inconsistency in the interpretation at all. In Genesis Chapter 6, sinful angels had illicit sexual relations with human women and their offspring were giants.

          4.Race argument/Ham and Black People/Racism
          —This notion seems to keep popping up so I am going to try and explain it carefully. The sin nature that all humans have came from our human ancestor, Adam. So there is no point debating which race has sin and which doesn’t because all people have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory (Romans 3:23). There is sin within us all (Romans 7). We were all conceived in sin and shaped in iniquity (Psalm 51).

          Now onto the racial aspect. The notion that “All African peoples are from Ham, All White People are from Japheth and everyone else is from Shem” is not Biblical. Where is this ever said in the Bible? Show me the chapter and verse. The maps or articles that depict these things are made by people who do not acknowledge the Bible’s account that the world was a pangea. There were no separate continents after the flood. There was only one (and just looking at a world map and seeing Africa and South America it’s quite obvious they fit together like puzzle pieces). So why do I bring this up? Because at one point in world history, according to Scripture, the entire world lived in one area:

          “Genesis 11:And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.”
          – Genesis 11:1-2.

          This is the post-flood world right before the construction of the Tower of Babel. All of Ham, Shem and Japheth’s children all lived among each other in Shinar. The entire world population was completely inter-mixed at the time of the Tower of Babel. So all people of all races were mixed with each other. It was only God confusing the languages after ending sinful man’s attempted rebellion with the tower did people separate and then later on the Earth physically separated into continents (Genesis 10:25). So any notion that after the flood Ham went south, Japheth went northeast and Shem just “chilled” where he was, is fallacious. Their children lived among each other, marrying each other and having many, many more children for many generations as the Tower of Babel was over 300 years after the flood by Biblical chronology. So you could very well be a descendant of Shem, whose great grandchildren then went to Africa after the tower of Babel.

          “When you say that Ham’s descendants carried the Nephilim gene, you are essentially saying that we Africans carry the genes of satan and that the rest of the white skinned people descended from Japeth and Shem are kind of pure!”

          No, that’s not what I am saying actually. First off, you initally based your racial theory on Cush, but now you are equating Ham with all African people, even though the Bible never does this (Ham lived in the Middle East). Secondly, there is no direct lineage to Africa, Asia or Europe listed in the Bible. So trying to make assumptions about you being a direct descendant of Cush is just wild speculation. Thirdly, even if you were, it doesn’t matter. The Nephilim are dead. They were all killed. And as will become more clearer in subsequent parts of this series, not all Canaanites were Nephilim. In a given area there may have been only several Nephilim giants living among thousands of humans. This is what the Bible depicts over and over. And the Nephilim were given the position of prominence and leadershipin their respective nations. So just because someone was Canaanite, did not mean they were a Nephilim. Trying to extrapolate this to 2012 and say that some people have Nephilim genes because of their skin color has absolutely no Biblical basis and completely misunderstands the point of the article.

          Finally, all of this focus on race is contrary to the message of the Gospel. And that message says that God: “.. made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:” — Acts 17:24-25.

          No race has anything to glory in in this world. All the races have rejected God, blasphemed Him, disobeyed, disrespected and sinned against His Holy Name. All people of all races deserve death and Hell. And just as the African American spiritual says we were all there when they crucified Jesus Christ The Lord. We all put sins on Him that God punished. So race has ZERO significance when it comes to salvation. Jesus redeems all people who believe in Him, period. I understand that this “Ham curse” argument was used in slavery times in the US and it was despicable. But that wrong and injustice does not change proper Biblical interpretation of Genesis 6. The Bible does not advocate any race over another and frankly, Caucasian people are not even mentioned in the Old Testament. It is really about Middle Eastern and African people. And certainly this site is not promoting any racial superiority theory. Our race will mean nothing before God. It is only our faith in Christ that saves. Period.

          5.Genesis 38/Tamar/Jesus’ ancestry — This is a very good point. But the Bible never says Tamar was a Canaanite (that is an assumption on your part). However I will help your argument —what about Ruth, from the book of Ruth? She was a Moabite. Or Rahab? They are both part of the Messianic bloodline and were from pagan nations. But they were not Nephilim giants. I never said that Jesus’ ancestry was 100% Israelite. It was not. But there were no angelic/human hybrid giants in His lineage. That is the point.

          Thanks again for your post. I hope I at least clarified the points I was attempting to make in the article even if we do not agree on the idea of who the Nephilm were. God bless.

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    • Trouble with this whole tale, which is real nice fantasy, is that my ex who teaches geology has proven that the ‘Great Flood ‘ never occurred, also that there is evidence that Egyptian, Australian and American Aboriginal, Trojan and even Chinese civilizations that lived right through the ‘Great Flood’ era without even taking any notice of it, nor losing lives from it. She also pointed out that if as Flood Geologists think that ‘The Great Flood ‘ formed the Grand Canyon, according to the column layers The Earth was already 2 billion years old before the canyon started to form. Also the sedimentary rock layers on the top of mountains cannot form via a global flood. There is thousands of other reasons that a global flood never occurred and also there has never been any evidence found of giants either. Though it is a nice fanciful tale, quite enjoyable!

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      • Please note the difference in time of creation. The Earth and Grand Canyon were created millions of years ago. The conflict is the misguided believers thinking the Earth is less than 7,000 years old. This doesn’t match with science, as you wife can testify. The creation of the earth, et all, happened between Gen 1:1-2 and is called the “Gap Theory.” The Earth was redone later after the fall of Satan. All the dinosaurs happened before Adam, not after. This clears up that aspect–though most blind fundamentalists don’t understand the “Gap Theory”
        The flood had to have happened—look around, the Earth is still almost 75% water. Any explanation re that from Geologists? Hope this clarifies some minor discrepancies.

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        • Your theory cannot be correct either. The Gap Theory states that there is death before Adam, through Dinosaurs and such…… but death is a direct result from Adams sin so therefore death cannot be before Adam. There are better explinations than the Gap Theory…..

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          • Hi Jon,

            Thanks for your comment. The Gap Theory does not really relate to the Nephilim bloodline issue but I will gladly address the verse you cite:

            Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: – Romans 5:12.

            I think what is critical to understanding the Gap Theory and many verses in the New Testament in general is that the words “world” and “earth” have two different meanings in Greek. The word for Earth, ge means “arable land.” This is very different from the word for world which in many instances in Scripture is aeon, which means an “age” or “Era”. Here are 2 examples:

            “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds (aeon);” – Heb. 1:2

            “Through faith we understand that the worlds (aeon) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” – Heb. 11:3 KJV

            The other word for world is kosmos, which means a set or defined order or government. The KJV translators used the terms interchangeably for “world.” So why does this matter? Because when looking at Scripture we have to understand that there are separate and distinct ages and orders that will take place on the same planet, called Earth. In other words, there are several worlds (ages, orders) on the same planet Earth. Here is an Old Testament example:

            “And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.” – Isaiah 23:17.

            Clearly, the translators are making a distinction between the Earth, the physical mass of land and water we live on, and the “world” which is the current set of prevailing conditions on the Earth at a specific time.

            When Jesus The Lord said: “my kingdom is not of this world..” did He mean the planet Earth? No. He meant that this present age, of corrupt man and Satan running amok is not His Kingdom. And we know that Christ will indeed rule on Earth at His Second Coming. So clearly, He was not saying “this planet called Earth is not even my Kingdom.” He meant the present age humanity is living in on the Earth, is not His Kingdom.

            Jesus further confirms this in the same verse by saying: ” but now is my kingdom not from hence.” So there will be a time coming when Jesus will have His Kingdom on Earth but the present age or world, is not it. This is why Satan is called “the prince of this world.” Does Satan rule over everything? No of course not. God does. But in this present age and order that humanity is operating in, Satan does have princely authority. And we know it is going to come to an end.

            So this takes us back to Adam. He brought sin into this world – meaning this particular age. Notice the verse does not say Adam brought sin into the Earth. Again, this is a very important distinction to understand. Sin already existed. We know this, because before Adam and Eve sinned, Satan was already evil. So clearly, the first sin in the history of all creation was not Eve, it was the devil. So the question is…when did that happen? If the angels sang and praised when the Earth was reformed as we are told in Job 38:15, when were they created? These are things the Gap Theory addresses.

            Of course we can disagree on Gap Theory and still agree about the Nephilim as the 2 are not really related but I wanted to share my perspective with you. Please feel free to share your thoughts. Thanks again and God bless.

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          • Exactly, Satan had alread fallen and was/still is–the PRINCE of this World. Therefore, the Gap theory covers everything in a much more complete way than the 6 day creation of everything and the dinosaurs die off, etc. There are too many holes in the explanation of just 6 days. This is one more example of people reading words only without spiritual insight. More scientists would accept/could accept God/Jesus if it weren’t for the errror prone 6 day misinterpretation. God knew the “natural man/mind” would read words only to try and understand–but the flesh can’t fanthom the works of God.

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      • How is it that science is so advanced that they can tell me what happened to the smallest detail a billion years ago and often have a very hard time to describe what is going on in the present days. There are three hundred and twenty five days in a year and we know how quickly natural phenomenons and calamaties can happen so times three hundred and twenty five days a billion times. I’m sorry, I am not trying to disprove what you are saying but are you series? I can’t believe that one man is smart enough to tell me what happened 1,000,000,000 years ago when there are thousands of natural phenomenons going on this very hour and they literally have little to no explanation. Or they will have one hundred theories about one phenomenon that happened in ONE DAY, so TIMES ONE DAY 365,000,000,000 (three hundred and sixty five billion) times. So you could only imagine how many cycles and changes the earth might have undergone. I hope you understand where I am coming from. I just don’t see how the Gap Theory could even be a relevant theory at all in accordance with the timeline that is. Becuase you can’t say 1,000,000,000 years ago the earth was in this state when science couldn’t predict without a relevant record of history the weather or the state of the earth ten years ago if you can understand my point? And the educated know that the weather such as tornados, hurricanes, floods, storms, volcanic erruptions and climate will have deep dramatic impacts on the earth including rapid aging processess in certain areas (affecting the carbon dating process as well) because studies show that places under harsh weather and climate affects the radiocarbon in certain places of the earth. I’m just saying now times that ten years of calamity like one hundred million times and you can probably undrestand my dillema. Look if science can predict a billion years of the past then we could definately work to a better future. BESIDES 1,000,000,000 years is a long time. I think we should focus more on today than a billion years ago. Seriously! I’m not trying to dispute your theory I just need a better understanding. If a man was smart enough to pen point a billion years in the past then we should definately be more knowledgable on the phenomenons and things that go on today I’m just saying . . . .

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      • priscilla lopez says:

        actually, giants door did exist, the articles are popping up all over the place

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      • I would respectfully direct you to NASA scientist Walt Brown, and his book “in the beginning” . It chronicles the faults with science on earth aging and while not using biblical reference shows how the true earth age can be not billions but only thousands of years old. It approaches from geological, archeological , astrological, and biological viewpoints.
        While I am no scientist ( I chose to follow my IQ , over 140 , into the military flying high performance attack helicopters and later be the RN I am today ) however , I do know that Mr Brown has a standing offer to debate/discuss his findings with any PhD scientist ( to give validity to the debate) with an award of $1,000,000 . It has gone some 20+ years without even an attempt. Perhaps a geologist you know would like to pad their retirement.

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  6. Leon Loots says:

    When will you be publishing the follow up Part 2?

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  7. When the Nephilim babies where born, were they given an eternal spirit like ours, or were they more like an animal who ceases to exist upon death? I understand they were completely evil, but were they BORN into damnation?

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    • Nita Neall says:

      I like your question about whether they were born into damnation. That doesn’t seem fair, does it? I don’t know the answer to that, but I know that Yehovah is a good God and that if there were any of them that wanted to be with Him he would make a way. Upon death, Nephilim have nowhere to go because they are un-natural and cannot go to the grave as humans do but are what are called ‘evil spirits’ or ‘demons’ roaming unseen. They are used to inhabiting a human body, and this is why they seek to possess individuals.

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    • Liz Innes says:

      There are horses in heaven – Jesus comes in Revelation on a horse. I think there are animals in heaven too. Jesus tells us that his Father knows when every sparrow falls to the ground, would this be so if they had no eternal nature?

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      • Hi Liz. I think God lovingly re-creates our special pets and He has all of His good creation in Heaven. He doesn’t save the grass here for Heaven, He makes new. He makes new animals, too. We get new heavenly bodies for these fleshly ones. I also think the horses are spiritual horses, the ones mentioned in Revelation. These seem to be more like mighty spirits than regular horses. There is nothing lost in Him. I believe there are all the extinct animals in heaven. I know someone who had a vision of Heaven and saw them. He had no idea what they were and when he looked them up in an animal picture book, he found them, they were prehistoric! This person was a child who could barely read. They didn’t have preconceived ideas. btw Band E is spot on y’all take notice!

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        • Are we being serious? Any heavenly being ALL which are spiritual serve a purpose in the heavenly realms. The spirit realm and earthly realm are completely different, where in the bible does it speak of any animal apart from those that describe the creators Holy attributes. The bible speaks about the paradise a heavenly and earthly one.
          The spirit realm consists of an angelic order each have their own position. The bible says that MAN was made in Gods image but not animals, and that man had dominion over them. Man was created to live FOREVER sinning cut short that prospect, but no where in the bible does it say that animals were created to live for ever. The bible says there will be a resurrection of the good and the bad but again animals are not mentioned.
          The bible speaks about a new heavens and a new earth, which means it will be cleansed of any of satans influences and be made knew under the reign of Christ’s millennial rule. So yes animals will exist and many will survive into the the new paradise earth which will exist after the great tribulation and battle of armageddon.
          Those who go to heaven are called Christs brothers, those like the faithful apostles will make up a heavenly bride of christ, and will reign with him in the heavens. No animal could ever be given such a privileged position.

          Revelation 21:1-4 “Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming DOWN out of HEAVEN from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is WITH MEN, and He will DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be His people. God Himself WILL BE WITH THEM and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be NO MORE DEATH, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the FORMER THINGS have passed away.”

          Revelations 21:24 And the nations of them who are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it.

          Revelation:22:1- Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

          Isaiah 11:6-9 And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. 7Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox. 8The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den.They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah. as the waters cover the sea.

          From the above scripture we can see that the new earth is ruled over by a new heavenly kingdom.
          Gods people will be regathered from the four corners of the earth including, and dwell for ever as originally intended. Animals will also behave as intended for they will feel no fear, but love from those who care for them.

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  8. DoUwant2go2heaven? says:

    Excellent article my friend. I’ve never read such a thorough explanation about Ham and the curse of Canaan. My spirit is in agreement and I thank you for the break down. God bless you.

    Jeremiah 51:50.

    Amen.

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  9. You now have my attention sir (a very difficult thing to confess). Why do you think they would call it “strange flesh”.

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    • Hey Joseph,

      The word “strange” denotes something “other” in nature. In this case, the angels who sinned were seeking human women who are different beings than angels. We are not the same “species” for lack of a better term as angels. God did not make angels and humans to “mate” with one another. So for the angels to desire human women, they were going after a flesh that was something other than what was their natural mate. In the same way those in Sodom and Gomorrah did not go after their natural reproductive mates (the opposite sex). Hence the use of the word strange [heteros], God bless.

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  10. Great job B&E! I see you’re becoming very popular. Thumb’s up!

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  11. this article is based on a famous book of Eustace Mullins called Curse of Canaan
    It is really a pity that Mullins never gets any credit!
    (the same happened with his secrets of the federal reserve)

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    • Hi Willem,

      Thanks for coming to the site but I really have to address your comments:

      1) I have never heard of Eustace Mullins or his book.

      2) This article is based on the Bible.

      3) I removed the link you posted because I strongly disagree with your attempt to link that book’s ideas to this article or this website. Just from perusing the first couple of chapters the book quotes the Talmud, which is not inspired, not Scripture and rejects Jesus as Messiah and the Zohar a mystical book that is the basis for the Kabbalah, which is an occult practice that has nothing do with Biblical Christianity. It supports the unbiblical, Eve-Satan love affair heresy. It also is advancing a number of race-based theories that of course, are never found in the Bible. There is no rational way to think this article has any connection, much less it’s basis on that book. If it was not already apparent, then to quote the President, let me be clear: It is this site’s belief that any racial superiority, race-based salvation or racial preference theologies are of the Devil. Beginning and End in no way believes, supports or endorses any of them. If you want to post your ideas as your own in this thread, or say that you endorse that book as your belief, please feel free to. You are more than welcome. But please do not try to associate this website or its content with it. Thanks very much.

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      • “I have never heard of Eustace Mullins or his book”

        Your article (and I believe that you really do not know the important author Eustace Mullins) is remarkable similar to that book of Mullins. So coincidences do exist and let me therefore put things in another way: your article forms an important and welcome extension of the book of Mullins.

        So it is of great importance that you read the book of Mullins and please do not erase the link of the book for your other readers, since your article explains that the curse of Canaan should be seen in the light of the Nephilim which is not immediately obvious from the book of Mullins.

        Mullins’ book is also based on the bible and forms an important conclusion of several of his other books such as Murdered by Injection Word Order and The Secrets of the Federal Reserve. This last book was guided by Ezra Pound in forms the first published research of the Fed as the bases of the Illuminati central banking machine which is the origin of the nasty crisis in which we are right now.

        So ones again the link as compliment to you article:

        http://www.resist.com/kaminski/Mullins-CurseOfCanaan.pdf

        The book of Mullins is complex, layered and problematic but should be present as further discussion of your important article! So you and othesr can shine there lights on this complex and important issue!

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        • The fact that this article and that book discuss Cain does not mean that book is the “basis” for the article. Again, feel free to post the link and promote this book as something you believe and endorse. You do not seem to have any issue with the non-Biblical and/or occult sources the book uses or the disturbing ideas it promotes, and that is your prerogative. But this site does not endorse or recommend it.

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          • Let me say this, I like your article and the fact that it links the Canaan curse with the Nephilim story of the bible. I do believe that that story is much more layered and complicated. Looking into it means looking into “disturbing ideas”. The fact that Mullins does that in his books does not mean that he “endorse” them and the same is for me! Mullins is one of the principle researcher of the XX century…… do I agree with all he says? of course not!

            Read Mullins, touching upon these issues you can not ignore him and that is all!

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      • where is part 2 of your article please?

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  12. Sorry I have a question in regards to race in reference to Noah’s sons. So is there any truth in the fact that Black Americans are the Israelites of today?

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    • I see no Biblical basis for this idea at all. But if it were true, what would it matter? That is the real question. Being an Israelite by blood has no significance when it comes to your salvation. There is only one “seed” of Abraham – Jesus Christ. And we can only be considered true Israel by being “in Christ” and that comes through putting our faith and trust in Him for the forgiveness of our sins. I hope that helps to clarify. God bless.

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  13. B&e! I found your article so insightful and has truely warmed my heart. Thank you and God bless you ” I can’t wait to read more: )

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  14. Hi B&E. First off. Excellent article. I like your interpretation of the Nephilim, especially in regards to the Greek heroes and demigods. This is a connection I began making about a year ago.

    I was wondering if you had a sequel to this article to pick up where you left off in regards to the Nephilim hybrids becoming smaller and fitting into a secret society?

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  15. Rick:
    It is stated that “God sent the global flood judgment to punish those angels who committed folly, destroy the Nephilim and save the existence of the human race”

    If one purpose of bringing the flood was to destroy the Nephilim and cleanse humanity of corrupted DNA, but that strain of DNA survived within humanity and the Nephilim reappeared after the flood , then either God failed in His purpose or the statement is incorrect.

    I don’t think he failed. If you notice, the offspring of the Nephilim was hit and miss, and their lot was scattered by God. I think God succeeded. God then chose a people that would both conquer the Nephilim hybrids and teach righteousness to all people.

    God sent the flood to save His creation. The giants were not His creation.

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  16. Absolutely amazing. Please post Part 2 soon!

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  17. Is this the Part 2 http://beginningandend.com/nephilim-giants-bible/

    or we are waiting for another part 2

    Please let me know when part 2 is out…

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    • Hi KT,

      That is not Part 2. Part 2 called “Nephilim Giants – Enemies of God in the Bible” will be up soon. Subscribe to the site, like us on Facebook or just pop back in to find it. I hope you enjoy it. God bless.

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  18. I have a question: Where do you get the idea that Ham was wicked? My current understanding of the man was that he was the forefather to the black race. As a young man who is black himself, it is rather insulting for you to suggest that this supposed Nephilim gene exists in my lineage. If one were to ascribe to the belief that Ham begat the black race; and that Ham’s wife carried the Nephilim gene, then based upon your discernment, the entirety of the black race would not be fully human. That my friend, poses a massive problem. I found myself generally agreeing with the knowledge you brought forth, until Ham was mentioned as being one of the “wickedest” men. Now, I understand that what he did to his father was considered a grave sin, and that he was punished accordingly (And it is my belief that because of his curse, black people in this day and age are struggling to move forward in society), but based on the “proof” you brought forth; nowhere in it have I seen it stating that Ham was “absolutely” evil. Explain, my good sir.

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    • Hi Chillguy,

      Thanks for your question. I addressed the racial issue with Noah’s sons in my lengthy response to Michael above. I would ask that you please read it because it addresses much of what you are asking. In short, Ham’s children lived in Shinar, which is in the MIddle East, among the children of Shem and Japeth. The entire world, lived, married and and had children among each other in Babel. This was several hundred years after the flood. So the idea that Ham was in Africa and his brothers elsewhere is just not supported by Scripture.

      And I am by no means saying that the “entire Black race carried the Nephilim gene.” The Bible does not say this. The Canaanites as a people do not even exist anymore. And just being a descendant of Ham did not make you a Nephilim. It’s clear from the Bible that only certain people became Nephilim and they then had offspring.

      Furthermore, regarding the “curse” of Ham, it was CANAAN who was cursed and not Ham. There is no curse on African or African American people. This is a lie that was perpetuated by Caucasian slave owners in the 17th -19th centuries. It is absolutely false. And while you may think African American people are cursed because they are struggling in society, the statistics show otherwise. But it’s just a matter of how you measure success. If you are going by worldly measures then you may have an argument. But going by God’s standards which is faith in Him and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, African American people are overrepresented in every significant category. Please see this article for these statistics.

      http://beginningandend.com/silent-genocide-one-in-three-african-american-babies-aborted/

      By Biblical standards it’s quite the opposite from what you may think. God bless.

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      • Thank you for clearing that matter up, as this racist teaching is still being taught today.
        To reinforce that black people are not cursed. Recently a tribe in south african known as the Lemba tribe, was found to have a certain gene that could be traced back to the priestly class of original Hebrews, there’s a documentary on Youtube. These people speak hebrew and practice the laws and traditions even though they are African.
        This would coincide with another documentary about African slavery of how these poor people were made to change their names and language by Jewish slave traders to hide their true identity.
        Even after the slave trade had ended, they couldn’t understand why certain families who are living today still hold to their Hebrew language and tradition. No wonder the holy scriptures quote
        Revelations 3;9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars–I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
        They say that 80% of the Nation of Israel who were re-gathered & living in Israel have very little to no Jewish/Hebrew genetics but are Zionist imposters. Masquerading as “Messianic Jews,” these are theTurkic Khazars.
        which influence the world today. God said what is hidden shall come to light. This evil seed, plan to rebuild the third temple in Jerusalem where for centuries their promised messiah, NOT JESUS has been their sole purpose for such deceit and wickedness. Here is a link which reveals the liars who masquerade as Yahweh/Jehovahs chosen people today.

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  19. P.Wallace says:

    Can’t wait until the second part! Absolutely fascinating!

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  20. londonhermit says:

    Where does the bible say that Ham was evil? From where I read in Genesis 10 both Ham and Japheth had evil in the family tree. You’re sick get your head out of stormfront. You’re worse than those “british isrealis” at this point. Oh and don’t bother going to heaven. It says in Revelation that there were all races, kindreds, and tongues singing praises to God.

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      I just have to say you guys (londonhermit and chillguy) should not get upset about Ham. All of us are sinners regardless of our ancestors and regardless of our race. Adam and Eve both sinned so it doesn’t matter what sex you are either. If you are a Christian, you are: 1 Peter 2:9 “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light;” Yes, there will be all races of people in Heaven but they will all be born of God. Ham sinned but so did a lot of other people in the Bible. Why be insulted yourself because Ham sinned over 5,000 years ago? I don’t get it.

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    • If you want to learn more why and what happened with the sons of Noah you should look into reading the Book of Jasher. It is not a cannonized book that was put in the bible but it was and still used by the Jews. It was never translated into Greek so the numbers and understanding is better. But it goes more in depth then Genesis. What the curse was in the book of Jasher was the sons of Noah were given a area of the earth for their sons and they had to swear to God not to live in each others. Canaan had already sinned and got a curse from Noah but it was Hams sons that went into Shem’s area which was the Middle east. Hams son’s went further into Japheth’s territories and in this book says that Hams sons are the ones that spread idol worship that started as ansister worship to the religions that we know to day. Nimrod was Ham’s grandson and he lived with and conquered Japheth’s sons and Shem’s also.

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  21. Does this mean all deamons are male and carry sperm? How can the devil ‘give’ life so to speak?

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    • Hey Adam,

      Well I don’t believe that angels and demons are the same type of being in Scripture. And I think it was only angels who had children with human women. And after them, their Nephilim hyrbid children had relations and children with human women. But if the question is, is an angel physically capable of having offspring? Then yes. But remember that God created these angels. So their life-giving potential was created while they were still good. It was their own sinful choices that led them to fornication and allegiance with the Devil. Thanks for a great question. God bless.

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      • So angels were designed to reproduce (have sex) with each other? I never knew that. Where can i read up on this?
        Ok this is a must be a misconception, but if when we die what are we called then? Most people think we’re angels when we die, but that must not be true then.

        Are we simply called son of man or a spirit?
        So you’re telling there’s 3 completely different entities. I’ve been trying to find this out for years.

        1. Angel
        2. Demon
        3. Whatever our spirits are called.

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        • Hi Danny,

          The Bible does not explain the biological mechanics of it. But angels do indeed have physical bodies. And they have the ability to reproduce with human women.

          We are human beings. That is who we are. We are not angels. See 1 Corinthians 15 for more information on the different types of bodies. We have a terrestrial body. Angels have a celestial one. The Bible is clear that they are two very different forms.

          As for the entities, you are correct. Angels are different from demons. And our spirit is the human spirit.

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          • Thanks for your reply! One more question though. Who created demons if they are their own entity? If demons weren’t fallen angels then how did evil beings come to exist?

            So far what i get out from this all 3 entities indeed have a free will. (Or are demons slaves?) Many churches I’ve been to teach that angels have no free will. That’s impossible as 1/3 of them rebelled.

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      • Brother Al says:

        I really like your article, but there’s one question that I’ve had for a while and hope maybe you can help me with. The Bible only mentions 3 angels by name – Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer, so nowhere do I see evidence from the Word of female angels, which brings me to my question of : Where did these angels get the ability to reproduce from or produce sperm if there were no female angels to cohabit with? I mean why would they even need genitalia if God didn’t intend for them to procreate ? So, how were these angels able to reproduce with females?

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  22. B&E – I don’t think there were any Nephilim Giant genes after the flood in that the purpose of the flood was to wipe that entire race of the face of the earth. If we look closely at Genesis 6:4

    “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

    That means “there were giants already in the earth” (who were 100% human) before the mating between angels and humans occurred. This could nullify the assertion that Noah’s daughter-in-laws could have carried the Nephilim gene onto the ark. With that said, after the flood, Noah’s sons and daughter-in-laws were still capable of producing giants with 100% human DNA which invariable has a sin nature. If God is trying to preserve the human race, it wouldn’t make sense to have individuals with hybrid DNA on the ark – in fact, anyone with hybrid DNA at the time was very wicked and if that’s the case they would have killed everyone on the ark.

    Also, the evil angels responsible for the mating with humans were locked up in chains in the abyss – none were spared so there can’t be any wondering around after the flood.

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    • Hi John,

      With all due respect, I have to strongly disagree with your point. The grammar of Genesis 6:4 states that there giants in the earth before and after the flood, because the sons of God went into the daughters of men. The phrase ‘asher in Hebrew is conditional. It in essence means “because of.” So it was the mating of angels and women that was the reason and direct cause of the giants. There were no giants before the Genesis 6:4 angelic-human illicit relations.

      Furthermore as was shown in the article and will be shown in the subsequent parts, the post-flood giants are all born “of the giants.” They were not children of angels. They were children of older, Nephilim giants. And through only using Scripture, they can be traced back to the children of Ham. So just going by the text of the Bible, we can know that they have an actual lineage. And since Noah’s genetic line was 100% human, we know it must have been the wife of Ham who carried the Nephilim gene.

      ” If God is trying to preserve the human race, it wouldn’t make sense to have individuals with hybrid DNA on the ark – in fact, anyone with hybrid DNA at the time was very wicked and if that’s the case they would have killed everyone on the ark. ”

      I know this point seems very difficult to grasp. Why would God allow this? But think of it this way:
      “If God is trying to preserve the human race, it would make sense to have individual freedom for a person to sin. – In fact, if there were anyone who sinned, God should have just killed them all and forced everyone to obey everyone of his commands.”

      But yet, God does not do this. Why? Because WE play a role in our relationship with The Lord. We are saved by faith. The faith is within us. Abraham was not saved because God liked him. He was saved because he had faith which was accounted to him for righteousness. We are an active participant in our salvation. The time of the flood was no different. Noah had to believe God to build the ark (Hebrews 11). His sons had to believe him to get on. But they also had to believe God to live God-fearing lifestyles. But Ham left the door open and thus the DNA made it through the flood. Human volition will always play a role in salvation. I hope that makes sense.

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      • Brandalyn Kemp says:

        Didn’t the fallen angels go after the daughter of men after the flood too…?
        4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. NIV… I just ask given the fact it said also afterward because the sons of daugthers went into the daugthers of men….

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        • Hi Brandalyn,

          The angels who sinned with human women only did so before the flood. The verse you posted is saying the reason for the giants before and after the flood was because of that illicit union that took place at the time of Genesis chapter 6. What you will find in Scripture is that the giants after the flood are children of other giants, not angels.

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      • I have to disagree with you with the wife of Ham. First of all Ham’s wife was the sister of Japheth’s and Shem’s wives. Second of all God wanted the purity of Noah’s blood line to go into the boat if he was okay with the blood line of the Nephillim he would not of caused the flood in the first place. It was the angels that came down to teach the world of what god wanted them to do but to teach they had to take a physical form. It is believed by some preachers and researchers that to take physical form they took on the curse of the earth also. But if you read in Jasher or Genesis you would also pick up that after the flood a couple generations went by and the “watchers” were back again. It also says that the fallen angels that were chained would be let loss in the end times. Remember Solomon said there is nothing new under the son with god and also the saying as it was in the times of Noah should it be in the end times.

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  23. I have read your informative article and I would conclude that you are honest in your dealing and you are genuine in your search for truth and intention to spread it.

    I, however, have to politely point at some errors and self-contradictions in your explanations that Genesis 6:4 describes sexual involvements between fallen angels and humans as opposed to fallen angels influencing illicit sexual and genetic activities between human men and human women.

    Firstly, neither Genesis 6:4 nor Numbers 13:33 explicitly state that the Nephilim were human giants; these common mistranslation arises from the use of the Aramaic meaning of the word Nephilim which means giants as opposed to the same Hebrew word which means fallen or causing to fall. It also comes from relying on the insinuations of the apocryphal Book of Enoch. The Aramaic meaning indicates that the Nephilim were human giants but the Hebrew meaning leans more to fallen angels. Number 13:33 indicates that Anak and his descendants the Anakites, came from the Nephilim and were called Nephilim not because they were Nephilim but because they came from the Nephilim.

    If you confine yourself to Hebrew and the Bible, the conclusion is that the Nephilim were fallen angels while the sons of God/gods were human men.
    From your reference in Job 4:18 where you suggest that the word ‘folly’ refers to sexual error, please note that the Hebrew word used here is toholah (8417 in Strong’s Concordance) and means error without any specific reference; the concordance suggests it is the negative of halal (1984) which means right or shine. The word translated to ‘folly’ in all the other three verses (Genesis 34:7, Deuteronomy 22:21 and 2 Samuel 13:12) is nebalah (5039) which in other translations is rendered as defile or disgrace without a strict reference to sexual impurity, although the context of the verses involves sexual defilement. The interpretation of the word ‘folly’ in Job 4:18 to suggest sexual activities in the same breath as the sexual acts described as ‘folly’ in Genesis 34:7, Deuteronomy 22:21 and 2 Samuel 13:11-12 depends entirely on the version of the English Bible translation you are quoting from and not the original Hebrew Scriptures. Clearly, the original text uses a different word toholah in Job 4:18 which is non-sexual in both meaning and context and another word nebalah in the three other verses that are sexually graphic. On this basis, using Job 4:18 to suggest sexual contact between angels and humans is weak. The translator’s choice of the word ‘folly’ to describe serious errors such as sexual defilement is also questionable because ‘folly’ refers to something that is unwise rather than grossly wrong.

    Secondly, your article insinuates that one of the reasons why the human giants were wicked is that they had satanic (fallen) genes, DNA or bloodlines. You also state that the Nephilim genes were carried on to Ham’s descendants through Canaan the ancestor of the Canaanites and Mizraim the ancestor of the Philistines and Egyptians and Cush, the ancestor of Nimrod and African dark-skinned people like me. In fact, the word Cush means black or burnt and sounds like the equivalent words even in my own Gikuyu (East African language), Kiswahili and other Bantu and Nilotic languages. The East African tribe of the Gusii (Gucha) claim that the Bantu people of East Africa descended from a man named Mogusii (which means the black one or mweusi in Kiswahili) who lived in a place called Misri (Mizraim or Egypt). Many African tribes have mythologies that trace their origins to Egypt, though the popular white racist evolutionists prefer depicting Africans as having evolved from black apes in the Congo forest.

    When you say that Ham’s descendants carried the Nephilim gene, you are essentially saying that we Africans carry the genes of satan and that the rest of the white skinned people descended from Japeth and Shem are kind of pure!

    If you read Genesis 38, you will find that Judah, the ancestor of the Jews (Tribe of Judah), married the daughter of a Canaanite man called Shua and that his descendants, who include King David and Yashua (Jesus Christ), came through Judah’s illicit relationship with his own daughter in law Tamar. Tamar was very likely to have been a Canaanite, because when Judah’s two sons died, he sent her back to her father who was living in Timnah which was a Philistine city in Canaan. In other words, as much as you have tried to suggest that Jesus Christ, the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, was born in some ‘pure’ line, the book that is called the Word of God (Jesus is the Word of God) shows that Jesus himself had a Canaanite ancestor who had illicit sexual contact with her father-in-law Judah, from whom the Judeans/Jews get their name!

    A third statement you make is that Jesus Christ came to save humans from ‘corruption’ and that we are all responsible to God for our own sins.

    1. Aren’t you contradicting yourself when you say that we sin because of historical physical satanic genes in us rather than our own choices?
    2. If Jesus came to cleanse us from these dirty genes, how would he do it yet some of his ancestors were Canaanites from the impure race?
    3. Are you suggesting that the way to become clean and Godly is to have Jesus change our historical genes?
    4. If racial or genetic purity is important, would the Jews, who have genetic purity, need Jesus if they are already ‘safe’ from the Nephilim genes?
    5. The direct answer from question 4 above would suggest that Jesus was sent to save the people outside Israel such as the descendants of Ham (Africans and Indians) rather than those who are the pure breed descendants of Shem (Semitic) and Japheth (Europeans and Asians)! Do the white people need Jesus in that case?
    6. Can the death offering of Jesus change my genetic history, now that I am a descendant of Ham, Cush and Mizraim whom you say had Nephilim genes?
    7. What exactly is wrong with people having the genes of satan when the very same book of Job indicates that satan was also one of the sons of God/gods?

    When you consider these questions, you will realize that the proposition that the Nephilim were humans who contained genetic codes from some physical genetic makeup from the ‘bodies’ of angel, you will see that the gospel that comes out of the Bible would be seriously flawed and creates room for white-on-black racism. Infact, such arguments were historically used to justify the capturing and killing of black Africans for use as slaves by white-skinned Europeans and Arabs. Your arguments also suggest that Jesus is of no use to black people by virtue of their ancestry; in other words, Jesus is of no use at all because he needs not make a difference among the ‘pure’ races. Isn’t this essentially denying/murdering Jesus and everything about him? Isn’t this exactly what the Jews did? Even today, the Jews and Arabs essentially deny Jesus together with his role while elevating the tribal ancestry over the inner transformation of character that comes from submitting to Jesus.

    There is, however, no doubt that the fallen angels can and do influence human beings to engage in sinful sexual practices and genetic modification that can result in abnormal Children such as giants. In this case, however, the actual production of giants and mutants is carried out by human beings rather than direct sexual involvement of the fallen angels.

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    • Hi Michael,

      Thanks very much for your well-written, thought provoking response. I respectfully disagree with it and think you have completely misunderstood some of the points made in the article. And I am going to address this racial/superiority issue that keeps popping up in this thread.

      1. Meaning of the word Nephilim – I am not going to go into all the details of this word in Hebrew but assume that you have studied it. In short, the word “ylpypn” in Hebrew is a masculine plural participle. The “im” in the word obviously indicates that it is plural. So the root, “npl” gives us its meaning. It the word was the Hebrew “naphal” (to fall), it would be spelled “nophelim” not “nephilim.” It would actually have a different vowel than what it has in the Hebrew. Additionally, it is also why the Septuagint, which is based on Paleo-Hebrew (that has no vowels) uses the word “gigantes” and not “fallen” or “fallen ones” etc. It also explains why the same Hebrew word in Genesis 6 for giants is what we find in Numbers 13 when the 12 spies encounter the sons of Anak who were giants. The idea that Nephilim comes from naphal just has no actual grammatical support. For an excellent treatise on this exact question, I would strongly recommend the essay by Dr. Michael Heiser, a professor and one of the foremost experts on ancient near east languages, which can be found here.

      2. “If you confine yourself to Hebrew and the Bible, the conclusion is that the Nephilim were fallen angels while the sons of God/gods were human men.” – While I do “confine myself” to the BIble in my article, the Nephilim are the OFFSPRING of angels and human women.

      3. The word folly – You are correct that the definitions of the word “folly” you will find in Strong’s refer to general errors or mistakes. However it is a fallacy to think that those definitions negate the Bible’s use of the word. Concordances are helpful and important, but when studying the Bible it is important to remember that first and foremost, the Bible defines itself, by itself. And from studying Scripture it is clear that “folly” in the Bible has a sexual connotation, even though Strong’s concordance does not define it that way. Once again, the Septuagint confirms this because it does not use the word folly in Job 4 – it uses “perverseness” to describe the sin of the angels, which obviously has a sexual connotation to it. So there is no inconsistency in the interpretation at all. In Genesis Chapter 6, sinful angels had illicit sexual relations with human women and their offspring were giants.

      4. Race argument/Ham and Black People/Racism
      — This notion seems to keep popping up so I am going to try and explain it carefully. The sin nature that all humans have came from our human ancestor, Adam. So there is no point debating which race has sin and which doesn’t because all people have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory (Romans 3:23). There is sin within us all (Romans 7). We were all conceived in sin and shaped in iniquity (Psalm 51).

      Now onto the racial aspect. The notion that “All African peoples are from Ham, All White People are from Japheth and everyone else is from Shem” is not Biblical. Where is this ever said in the Bible? Show me the chapter and verse. The maps or articles that depict these things are made by people who do not acknowledge the Bible’s account that the world was a pangea. There were no separate continents after the flood. There was only one (and just looking at a world map and seeing Africa and South America it’s quite obvious they fit together like puzzle pieces). So why do I bring this up? Because at one point in world history, according to Scripture, the entire world lived in one area:

      “Genesis 11:And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.”
      – Genesis 11:1-2.

      This is the post-flood world right before the construction of the Tower of Babel. All of Ham, Shem and Japheth’s children all lived among each other in Shinar. The entire world population was completely inter-mixed at the time of the Tower of Babel. So all people of all races were mixed with each other. It was only God confusing the languages after ending sinful man’s attempted rebellion with the tower did people separate and then later on the Earth physically separated into continents (Genesis 10:25). So any notion that after the flood Ham went south, Japheth went northeast and Shem just “chilled” where he was, is fallacious. Their children lived among each other, marrying each other and having many, many more children for many generations as the Tower of Babel was over 300 years after the flood by Biblical chronology. So you could very well be a descendant of Shem, whose great grandchildren then went to Africa after the tower of Babel.

      “When you say that Ham’s descendants carried the Nephilim gene, you are essentially saying that we Africans carry the genes of satan and that the rest of the white skinned people descended from Japeth and Shem are kind of pure!”

      No, that’s not what I am saying actually. First off, you initally based your racial theory on Cush, but now you are equating Ham with all African people, even though the Bible never does this (Ham lived in the Middle East). Secondly, there is no direct lineage to Africa, Asia or Europe listed in the Bible. So trying to make assumptions about you being a direct descendant of Cush is just wild speculation. Thirdly, even if you were, it doesn’t matter. The Nephilim are dead. They were all killed. And as will become more clearer in subsequent parts of this series, not all Canaanites were Nephilim. In a given area there may have been only several Nephilim giants living among thousands of humans. This is what the Bible depicts over and over. And the Nephilim were given the position of prominence and leadership in their respective nations. So just because someone was Canaanite, did not mean they were a Nephilim. Trying to extrapolate this to 2012 and say that some people have Nephilim genes because of their skin color has absolutely no Biblical basis and completely misunderstands the point of the article.

      Finally, all of this focus on race is contrary to the message of the Gospel. And that message says that God: “.. made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:” — Acts 17:24-25.

      No race has anything to glory in in this world. All the races have rejected God, blasphemed Him, disobeyed, disrespected and sinned against His Holy Name. All people of all races deserve death and Hell. And just as the African American spiritual says we were all there when they crucified Jesus Christ The Lord. We all put sins on Him that God punished. So race has ZERO significance when it comes to salvation. Jesus redeems all people who believe in Him, period. I understand that this “Ham curse” argument was used in slavery times in the US and it was despicable. But that wrong and injustice does not change proper Biblical interpretation of Genesis 6. The Bible does not advocate any race over another and frankly, Caucasian people are not even mentioned in the Old Testament. It is really about Middle Eastern and African people. And certainly this site is not promoting any racial superiority theory. Our race will mean nothing before God. It is only our faith in Christ that saves. Period.

      5. Genesis 38/Tamar/Jesus’ ancestry — This is a very good point. But the Bible never says Tamar was a Canaanite (that is an assumption on your part). However I will help your argument — what about Ruth, from the book of Ruth? She was a Moabite. Or Rahab? They are both part of the Messianic bloodline and were from pagan nations. But they were not Nephilim giants. I never said that Jesus’ ancestry was 100% Israelite. It was not. But there were no angelic/human hybrid giants in His lineage. That is the point.

      Thanks again for your post. I hope I at least clarified the points I was attempting to make in the article even if we do not agree on the idea of who the Nephilm were. God bless.

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  24. Kwame Adu-Gyamfi says:

    Great article, but I would have to disagree with the assertion that Canaan carried a gene his brothers didn’t. The scripture says that,”There were giants in the earth in those days ; and also after that , when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men…” As I read it, it seems to be saying that when the sons of God mate with human women giants are born to them and this happened before and after the flood. At rate this is a very important article andwebsite. God bless your ministry.

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  25. Dear fellow human if I may say, why have you missed the mark so far? You seem amazed and convinced that giants came by angels uniting with humans in sexual relations, but none of you have considered the fact that even the animals were and plants giants, and this is a well known fact that you may need to study.

    If you look at it from a scientific view, this world and all its habitation has been going through a devolution instead of evolution. everything was huge in the past. People back then where not as affected by sin as we are. They lived to be even 900 years as you check your bible records. This shows that mankind was truly a better back then that he is now.

    The is not one passage of scripture that confirms that the name sons of God belongs to fallen angels, because in the bible, a son is truly a son by character [Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:]; [1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.] , so the book of Job is not saying evil angels met with God, it only makes a note of Satan, and the conversation between him and God suggests that He came uninvited.

    Those that disobeyed God cannot be called sons of God, because to be called by His name, means you live by His name (being given the power to become a son of God is going from a desire to do good, and actually doing good through Christ, for Christ), this you may study more closely. The scriptures also show that all that disobeyed God were called by many names such as children of Belial (Judges 19:22); (Luke 20:34); (John 8:44)….

    Genesis 6 is more in harmony with Genesis 4:26 [Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
    Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.]

    From Seth comes the line of righteous mankind (which fits the word sons of God) and as the scriptures strongly warn against marriage between God’s children and those that have no fear of God, so we have in Genesis 6 a first reason why we must not marry one who does not fear God. These sons of God allowed passion to rule over reason and therefore married the daughters that came through the line of Cain. The same is happening today, and that is why sin is increasing.

    My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame. They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity. And there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings. Hos 4:6-9

    In all the bible there has never been a warning to watch that you should not be found marrying some fallen angel, but that bible clearly warns that who you marry, if they fear not the Lord, regardless that they claim to be Christian, that person will be Satan’s entry point to that family, and to those children, thus killing the heart of the race (families). That is why the scripture says: [For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.] Mat 24:38-39.

    Someone mentioned strange flesh as women, that is very sad and wrong! Take not that it is not just the marriage problems, but eating and drinking. Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    I wish we could have a face to face study.

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    • Hey Abraham,

      Thanks for your very thoughtful post. I just wanted to make a few quick comments:

      1. Humanity “devolving” — You said:

      If you look at it from a scientific view, this world and all its habitation has been going through a devolution instead of evolution. everything was huge in the past. People back then where not as affected by sin as we are. They lived to be even 900 years as you check your bible records. This shows that mankind was truly a better back then that he is now.

      This is never stated in Scripture. We are told in Scripture that through Adam “all die.” Sin and death entered the world by one man, Adam, of whom we are all descendants. Furthemore, we know from the time of Noah’s flood itself that the world was overrun with evil:

      “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.” - Genesis 6:5-6.

      Humanity was so evil at that time, God regereted even creating man and was grieved over the human race. And let’s not forget that He chose to destroy the entire global population save 8 people. So suffice to say, based on Scripture, humanity was indeed extremely evil, in the antedeluvian world.

      2. Who Are the “sons of God”? — You said:

      The is not one passage of scripture that confirms that the name sons of God belongs to fallen angels,

      However, you do not address any of the Scriptures that the articles puts forth supporting the interpretation of “sons of God” as angels. I would ask you to consider them and share how you interpret those Scriptures.

      I’m always happy to study scripture. And even if can’t be done face to face, it’s great to have good discussion on the web too. God bless.

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      • Hi, Please study Genesis 5, it states clearly that people live to be very old.

        Beginning and End: This is never stated in Scripture. We are told in Scripture that through Adam “all die.” Sin and death entered the world by one man, Adam, of whom we are all descendants. Furthemore, we know from the time of Noah’s flood itself that the world was overrun with evil:

        I did not talk about the quotes that you made of the name “sons of God” being angels because all over the old Testament the name Elohyim is used on every place where you find the name God in english. I will mention that the word son is the very same word used to describe humans. “Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” this scripture indicates that this is a human problem, and this was the 120 years before the flood. Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

        Angels are not humans, they do not have our passions, if they were like us, then we would not need to be freed from them, but would free ourselves. Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. From what I can see, it is easier for Satan to play a trick that should take our attention away from the real problem, unions that will destroy Gods purposes in bringing up a righteous people to finish the work that we may go home.

        “And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. Gen 24:2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell: But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife unto my son Isaac.” Gen 24:2-4 Abraham knew this well as he refused just any good looking face to be Isaac’s wife, you find the same with Jacob and his brother’s choices being bad.

        You are very correct to say that man was exceeding wicked, but seeing that God created such powerful beings, He then for the sake of future generations had to destroy them. After the flood we find that The avarage age moves from 900 to 500 going lower and lower. If you pay attention, the human diet was plant based Genesis 1:29-30 as well as the animal diet. After the flood ” And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.” Gen 9:28-29. God is His wisdom added flesh to our diet to reduce the years permanently. If a mother its a bad diet, it will affect the child no doubt.

        God in His mercy also guided Noah in choosing what animals to eat as Genesis 7 indicates clean and unclean animals which Lev 11 explains more clearly. “Isa 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
        Isa 65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine’s flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels” and “Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD” (the new testament does not support eating anything you wish, but that is not the topic for now)

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        • Abraham: If a mother its a bad diet, it will affect the child no doubt.

          I meant to say if a mother eats. and on the animal side, yes some animals remained with the no flesh diet, but as the scriptures say “Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord…” Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
          Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

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        • Hey Abraham,

          Thanks again for responding. Again, I just have a few brief comments.

          1. Lifespans – You are now shifting your argument. You initially said that people had such long lifespans because they were morally superior to people of today. Now you are attributing it to their diet and being created as “more powerful beings.” Neither of these have any scriptural support. We are never told that Noah was more powerful than the average human of today. Also please note I am not disputing that the patriarchs had long lifespans at all. I just believe it was for an entirely different reason than the ones being discussed.

          2. Sons of God — It seems odd that you would say the interpretation in the article is wrong but not even address the actual verses or explain what would be a proper interpretation. But to clarify, the term sons of God is a phrase in Hebrew. b’nai ha elohim is a different term in Hebrew than just the word elohim. And the contextual use of the phrase clearly supports this. If we are going to truly rightly divide Scripture, you should be able to go to the specific texts I cite and show their appropriate meaning.

          3. Angels — Yes, angels are a different species and race from humanity. But you will find angels referred to as men all throughout scripture:

          “And the Lord appeared unto him [Abraham] in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant” –
          Genesis 18:1-3.

          “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground….and they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them..But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door…And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.” – Genesis 19:1-11.

          “And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. – Acts 1:9-11.

          In all 3 passages, from both the Old Testament and New, angels are referred to as “men.” Now do I think they are the same as men? No, not at all. However the Bible just uses the word as a descriptive term for angels as various times. Again, this is why we should be discussing the actual verses from the article and their context to grasp the real meaning. So if you want to do so, I am happy to discuss them. God bless.

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          • I don’t think you understood me when I spoke of the effects of sin. I was not saying that sin was not in abundance, but that its effects where not as are so clearly seen now. Do not forget that these people where fresh from the perfect genes of Adam who was created perfect and without defect. He there is not even a record of disease with the world before the flood, the condition of things made it perfect for sin to flourish undisturbed, but the effects of sin come from the curse of God as seen in Genesis 3. God’s curse brings about a change in our lives for our good.

            “For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.” Rom 8:20-22.

            Angels have come to the world looking like mankind yes, but that is not their true look for they are spirits, they can take different forms, and this they did, coming looking like us so as to not alarm anyone. Abraham did not even know the 3 man that came to him that it was God with 2 angels. But when you read of the angels being seen in heaven, they look very different (Study Ezekiel 1 and Isaiah 6 as an example. Satan was Lucifer the covering cherub [Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.]

            You find also the seraphims in Isaiah 6. The word angel is simply a messenger in its original meaning, and these cherubs and seraphims came as messengers and took the form of man, not really being man.

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            • 1. You said:

              “Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” this scripture indicates that this is a human problem.

              What I am saying is that it is not correct in that chapter to presume that “men” means humans. The passage is talking about angels, human women and their Nephilim giant offspring. And as shown, angels and Nephilim can be referred to as “men” in Scripture.

              Additionally, Abraham definitely knew he was speaking to God when the “men” appeared at his tent:

              “And the Lord appeared unto him [Abraham] in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant” – Genesis 18:1-3.

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          • Oh the part about the sons of God has never been limited to angels, but to children of God by obedience, this is why I’m not so interested in trying to prove that one. Angel is a word commonly used to describe the heavenly messengers but is not limited to them, for we also when spreading the truth are angels to a dying world.

            One of my worries is that you call fallen angels son of God. If Satan was called Lucifer, then why was he after his fall Satan, they that followed him where no longer known as angels but devils and demon, I am just jealous that you are using God’s name so carelessly. Rather you tread softly upon that name, for the angels of God do reverence that name. His name is more than what we may call Him, it is who He is.

            And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.” Exo 34:5-8 what you are doing is not looking at things on a shallow view. The word of God a like a mine, deep and full of precious treasure.

            I’m not writing to prove a point, I have no such desire, but I want your heart, that is where the matters of life are, the heart belongs to God, and we must work to turn there heart there. I am not an enemy of anyone who works to turn many to righteousness, I am a helper to such and I once believed giants came by angels, but this found no roots at all as I studied my bible prayerfully, instead it opens room to greater danger

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            • Again, you are not actually addressing the verses that mention son of God, looking at their context, examining the Hebrew meaning, etc. So we are really not having a compelling discussion. Furthermore, when examining scripture, it becomes apparent that “unclean spirits”, “demons” and “devils” are different beings from “principalities”, “powers”, “chief princes” etc. Even though both are evil.

              I have full respect for God’s name. But the Bible calls angels, both good and fallen, sons of God. So that is the name I use to describe them. Again, if we are not even going to look at the verses then we can just simply agree to disagree. As I explain all the time, it’s okay to disagree! lol. God bless.

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      • Thanks for this info, I think the nephlin are still around. Remember at anytime human being can be transformed in to giant, we don’t know what chemistry involved then, but know not all people eating and taking same gyme will gain same body of a giant, but some can be come real giant. God will all ways protect us.

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  26. Abraham: what you are doing is not looking at things on a shallow view. The word of God a like a mine, deep and full of precious treasure.

    what you are doing is looking at things on a shallow view. The word of God a like a mine, deep and full of precious treasure

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  27. Your site fascinates me. It reveals a whole new world of people.
    I believe the most astounding thing about this article in particular is how many commenters actually believe it is factual. It honestly defies all common sense. I am truly gobsmacked to use the vernacular

    I am forced to wonder about the quality of education in the States where on the one hand religious freedom is embraced yet it is okay to overlook and /or ignore the entire geology record.

    The fossil record, the Grand Canyon etc..

    Truly mind numbing that there are so many people out there who truly swallow this stuff hook linre and sinker.

    Oh, well. C’est la vie, I guess.

    Or, as my dad says, “….one born every minute, son.”

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      Hello Arkenaten! If you had ever had the wonderful privilege of meeting Jesus Christ in person you would understand why so many of us choose to believe Him rather than some man or woman’s interpretation of the ‘fossil record’. I personally don’t think the fossil record disagrees with the scripture at all – none that I’ve seen or heard about. There is a God who truly loves you and He is not living in a statue or resting in a tomb somewhere. He is alive and He has all power in heaven and on earth. God bless you and may you have peace.

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      • Sorry, dear, I fear one cannot have a rational exchange of ideas with someone who suggests they have had the privilege of meeting Jesus. Although I must admit, the idea is mouth-watering.
        I wonder if he would enjoy chatting about football and music?

        As for the fossil record, I suppose it depends how it is interpreted.
        Dinosaurs on the Ark and all that silliness is just not for me.

        And may your god bless you too.

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        • Kathy Cavoores says:

          Hello again Arkenaten! You gave me such a good laugh when I read your reply. You made my day. Mouth-watering? :-) I personally don’t play football but if I were a Christian football player, I have no doubt Jesus would discuss it with me. Millions of people living today have personally met Jesus so be careful….you might run into another one. Dinosaurs lived before the Ark so of course there were none on the Ark. But, enough of this irrational exchange of ideas. :-) Have another great day! (I’m still smiling!)

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          • Dear Kathy,
            Well as you (and ‘millions’) have the inside track on Jesus – having met him and all that – I have always wanted to know, does he have long hair, blues eyes and a voice like Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin (such a cool band, don;t you think?) or does he sing his own version of Stairway to Heaven?

            When you next see him, say ‘Hi’ from Me. And remember, Jesus is watching you so be a good girl, okay?

            Regards

            The Ark

            PS is a Christian football played better than an atheist football player?

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            • Kathy Cavoores says:

              Really Ark? Led Zeppelin? Are those old dudes still alive? Last I heard them was around 1967 and I didn’t think they were cool then. I might have liked them more if I was stoned out of my mind like most of their fans. Stairway to Heaven isn’t so bad but it is monotonous. Is it supposed to put you into a trance or something? I never took drugs, preferring to have my mind (such as it is) as alert as possible, so I’m sure I couldn’t appreciate the full beauty of Zeppelin.
              You can mock me if you want. It doesn’t bother me a bit. Jesus is the best thing that ever happened to me. He has healed me, delivered me, blessed me, comforted me in the worst trials of my life. I wouldn’t trade loving Him for anything. If you want to know what He looks like, ask Him. I have no doubt He will answer that question as well as any other question you ask. Or, you could look in the Bible which describes Him beautifully.
              As for your football players question, I don’t know since as I said, I am not interested in football. It would be my guess that Christians are no better players than atheists. They do have a lot of other advantages though over atheists….in my opinion. :-)

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  28. You heard Zeppelin in 1967? Good for you.
    Everyone else had to wait ’til 1968 when the band was formed.

    I never took drugs either and am able to appreciate Zeppelin as well as Mozart.
    I draw the line at Pat Boone.

    I am glad you are not a substance abuser and happy that you have been healed, though it is unfortunate that so many formerly damaged people felt that religion was the only source of succour.

    I do not really mock you, rather that you have been inculcated to the extent you could possible accept the veracity of a story such as this.
    It is similar to threatening young children, accusing them of being sinners and telling them they will go to hell if they don’t believe in Jesus.

    You arer an adult so you are old enough I guess. Religion is what it is. If it makes you feel good then that’s fine.

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  29. Beginning and End:
    Hi Jon,

    Thanks for your comment. The Gap Theory does not really relate to the Nephilim bloodline issue but I will gladly address the verse you cite:

    I think what is critical to understanding the Gap Theory and many verses in the New Testament in general is that the words “world” and “earth” have two different meanings in Greek. The word for Earth, ge means “arable land.” This is very different from the word for world which in many instances in Scripture is aeon, which means an “age” or “Era”. Here are 2 examples:

    The other word for world is kosmos, which means a set or defined order or government. The KJV translators used the terms interchangeably for “world.” So why does this matter? Because when looking at Scripture we have to understand that there are separate and distinct ages and orders that will take place on the same planet, called Earth. In other words, there are several worlds (ages, orders) on the same planet Earth. Here is an Old Testament example:

    Clearly, the translators are making a distinction between the Earth, the physical mass of land and water we live on, and the “world” which is the current set of prevailing conditions on the Earth at a specific time.

    When Jesus The Lord said: “my kingdom is not of this world..” did He mean the planet Earth? No. He meant that this present age, of corrupt man and Satan running amok is not His Kingdom. And we know that Christ will indeed rule on Earth at His Second Coming. So clearly, He was not saying “this planet called Earth is not even my Kingdom.” He meant the present age humanity is living in on the Earth, is not His Kingdom.

    Jesus further confirms this in the same verse by saying: ” but now is my kingdom not from hence.” So there will be a time coming when Jesus will have His Kingdom on Earth but the present age or world, is not it. This is why Satan is called “the prince of this world.” Does Satan rule over everything? No of course not. God does. But in this present age and order that humanity is operating in, Satan does have princely authority. And we know it is going to come to an end.

    So this takes us back to Adam. He brought sin into this world – meaning this particular age. Notice the verse does not say Adam brought sin into the Earth. Again, this is a very important distinction to understand. Sin already existed. We know this, because before Adam and Eve sinned, Satan was already evil. So clearly, the first sin in the history of all creation was not Eve, it was the devil.So the question is…when did that happen? If the angels sang and praised when the Earth was reformed as we are told in Job 38:15, when were they created? These are things the Gap Theory addresses.

    Of course we can disagree on Gap Theory and still agree about the Nephilim as the 2 are not really related but I wanted to share my perspective with you. Please feel free to share your thoughts. Thanks again and God bless.

    Gotcha. I was replying to Rohn Timms comment above mine and this is why it is relative to Nephilim. I was taught that the world before Noah had a type of canopy around it and it didn’t rain, but rather the water came from under the earth. This is why dinosaurs/plants were so big is because the earth was like a capsule and everything grew to be huge. It was explaining better to me in scientific terms. lol. Plus, this was also one of the reasons why people thought Noah was a crazy for building a boat, cause no one had ever had a reason for one because the water came from the ground. I love learning more about this stuff and am glad you explained to me your view and I will keep looking into it, because it does seem legit. Thanks again and please respond with your thoughts :)

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    • Hi Jon,

      Ha ha. In my zeal to respond, I did not even realize you weren’t commenting to me until I was almost done typing. So I just posted it anyways. Thanks for your response. As for the water canopy – I know this theory and there is nothing in Scripture to really support it. Although it is very true that before the flood water came in the form of mist from geysers in the Earth – there was no rainfall.

      I don’t think this atmospheric condition explains dinosaurs. I think dinosaurs existed in the age before humans were on the Earth (i.e., before the Gap). And you are right, people would definitely think Noah was crazy preparing for a judgment they could not even fathom. Unfortunately, a similar situation is taking place right now as we approach the end times and unbelievers scoff at the notion of God and think life will just continue on as it always has.

      Here is a link to the Beginning and End radio show on the Gap Theory, FYI.

      Radio Show on the Gap Theory

      God bless!

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  30. Could the Nephilim be saved by our Lord? They were only part human correct?

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  31. Hello! Where is part 2 please? Thank you!

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  32. jerry martin says:

    I enjoyed your bloodline article. I am a little confused about the Noah and ham situation.the idea that’s son seeing his father naked causing his grandson to be cursed is a little harsh. Leviticus 18:7&8 and 20:11 would seem to indicate that ham may have layed with his father’s wife and canaan was the result. What do say?

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  33. ” The flood wiped out the
    giants but shortly after the flood they
    returned and spread all throughout the
    Promised Land.”
    Isn’t this a contradiction.How could the giants that were supposed to have been wiped out of the flood return then populate the earth again?
    ***The bible does not tell us of Ham’s wife having a nephilim ancestor or Ham marrying the wrong woman.***.Is it possible that after the flood some other angels could have again liased with Canaanite,Philistine women??

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    • Hi Kush,

      Thanks for your comment. There is no contradiction. We know that Noah’s grandchild, who was the son of Ham, had Nephilim offspring. Before there were Canaanite women, there was Canaan, the man. And everything traces back to him.

      As for angels once again having relations with women, that is never stated in Scripture and it can and will be shown why that is the case, from the Bible, later in this series. Also, also the post-flood Nephilim are described as being born “of the giant.” Their parents were other giants, not angels. All of the pre-flood giants died and all of the angelic fathers were locked in the abyss. But the Nephilim gene, which was very prevalent before the flood, was able to pass through on the ark. Thanks again for a very good question and feel free to share more of your thoughts on this.

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    • The bible does show that giants were on the earth after the flood. King Og was a giant, Goliath and all his brothers were giants. There are accounts of Native Americans having to kill a race of red headed giants, which dwelled in caves. There giants were able to run down buffalo and pick them up with there bare hands. The only way that they could kill them was to wait till they were asleep and set fire to the caves.

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  34. I’ve read the whole thing and also some comments…quite enjoyable. Just a couple of thoughts…

    Since the ever disobedient Israelites did a bad job in obeying God’s command to wipe out the nations around them and not to inter-marry…I am wondering, “where are the giants now?…when did they vanish?” Also, on a practical note…the angels who mated with the human beings probably were gigantic in structure since they can produce offsprings 30 feet tall! Now I am wondering about the size of their genitals (I can’t imagine the genitals of a 30 feet hunk)…but is it practically possible to mate a normal human being? or maybe they can shrink it!… am also wondering about the size of the baby giant., poor ladies, I thought!

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    • Who Married the Daughters of Men?
(Genesis 6:1-4)…Source (Hard sayings of the Bible)

      
Few texts in the history of interpretation have aroused more curiosity and divergence of opinion than Genesis 6:1-4. It is at once tantalizing and deeply puzzling.


      What is most difficult is the identification of the main participants in this short narrative—the “sons of God,” the “daughters of men” and the “Nephilim” (or “giants”). An impressive array of scholars has lined up for each of the three major positions taken on the identification of these three groups of participants. The three positions may be labeled “the cosmologically mixed races view” (angels and humans), “the religiously mixed races view” (godly Sethites and worldly Cainites) and “the sociologically mixed races view” (despotic male aristocrats and beautiful female commoners).


      By all odds, the view that may perhaps claim the greatest antiquity is the cosmologically mixed races, or the angel theory, view. The pseudepigraphal and noncanonical 1 Enoch, dating from around 200 b.c., claims in 6:1–7:6 that two hundred angels in heaven, under the leadership of Semayaz, noticed that the humans had unusually beautiful daughters. These they desired for themselves, so they took a mutual oath to go down to earth together, and each took a wife. They taught these wives magical medicine, incantations, the cutting of roots and the care of plants. When the women became pregnant, they gave birth to giants that reached three hundred cubits. The giants in turn consumed all the food, thereby arousing the deep hatred of the earthlings. The giants turned to devouring the people along with the birds, wild beasts, reptiles and fish. Then it was that the earth, having had enough of these huge bullies, brought an accusation against them.


      The famous Jewish historian Josephus (born 37 b.c.) also appears to follow this angel theory. He wrote, “Many angels accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust” (Antiquities 1.3.1). Likewise, the Greek translation of the Bible of the third century b.c. reads “angels of God” for the phrase “sons of God” in Genesis 6:2. In spite of the antiquity of the cosmologically mixed races view, there are such overwhelming problems with it that it is not recommended as the solution to this problem. While it is true, of course, that the term “sons of God” does occur in Job 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7 with the meaning “angels” (and that the phrase “sons of the mighty” appears in Ps 29:1 and 89:7 with the meaning “angels”), it does not fit well here for several reasons.


      Nowhere else in Scripture are we told that angels married humans. In fact, our Lord specifically stated that angels do not marry (Mk 12:25). And though the Septuagint translated the expression as being equivalent to “angels,” it is in fact only the Alexandrian manuscript that does so. The critical edition by Alfred Rahlfs does not reflect the angelic interpretation.


      Even more serious is the problem of why judgment should fall on the humans and on the earth if the angels of heaven were the cause of the trouble. God should have flooded heaven, not earth. The culprits came from above; the women seem to have been doing nothing except being beautiful!


      Some, however, will appeal to the New Testament passages of 1 Peter 3:18-20, 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6-7 for further support of the angel theory. But these passages do not say anything about angelic marriages. To argue from the phrase “in a similar way” in Jude 7 that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is the same as the sin of Genesis 6:1-4 claims too much, for the sin of sodomy is not the same thing as marrying a wife from another part of the universe! In fact, “in a similar way” does not compare the sin of the angels with the sin of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah; instead, it compares the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah with the sins of “the cities about them” (that is, Admah and Zeboiim; see Deut 29:23 and Hos 11:8). Thus the sins of Jude’s angels (Jude 6) and the sins of the five cities of the plain (Jude 7) are held up as warnings of the judgment that could come to others. The fall of the angels that Jude mentions is that which took place when Lucifer fell. To connect this fall with the time of the flood because of the proximity of the references in Jude 4-7 would demand that we connect the flood with the overthrow of the five cities of the plain. But the events listed in Jude are successive, not simultaneous: (1) the fall in eternity of Satan (Jude 4), (2) the preaching of Noah prior to the flood (Jude 5) and (3) the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah (Jude 6).


      To allege that “giants” were the results of such sexual unions is once again to go beyond any data we possess in Scripture. Did the angels procreate without the use of natural bodies? Or did they already possess natural bodies? Or did they create for themselves natural bodies by the use of some mysterious, intrinsic, but rebellious power? Any and all answers to such questions would be purely speculative. To use extracanonical evidence such as 1 Enoch as a witness against or even for Scripture would be unprecedented.


      The religiously mixed races view identifies the “sons of God” as the godly line of Seth. Given the sin they committed, they are generally looked on as the apostate line of Seth. “The daughters of men” are equated with the ungodly line of Cain. The sin condemned, then, would be the sin of being “unequally yoked”—that is, the marriage of believers to unbelievers.


      This view also fails to meet the test of consistency with the biblical data and context. It uses the term men in verses 1 and 2 in two different senses: in verse 1 “men” is used to indicate humanity generically, while in verse 2 it is understood to refer to the Cainite line specifically. Suggesting such an abrupt change in meaning without any indication in the text is unwarranted.

      
But even more alarming is the problem of the offspring. Why would religiously mixed marriages produce nep̄ilîm-gibbôrîm (or, as some translate this Hebrew expression, “giants”)? Does the mixture of pagan and godly genes assure that the offspring’s DNA will be wild and grotesque?


      This religiously mixed view should be abandoned as well as the cosmologically mixed view. Neither one can stand the weight of the evidence of the passage.


      The preferable interpretation of this passage is the sociologically mixed view. “Sons of God” is an early, but typical, reference to the titularies for kings, nobles and aristocrats in the ancient Near Eastern setting. These power-hungry despots not only lusted after power but also were powerfully driven to become “men of a name” (or “men of renown”—Gen 6:4).


      In their thirst for recognition and reputation, they despotically usurped control of the states they governed as if they were accountable to no one but themselves. Thus they perverted the whole concept of the state and the provision that God had made for some immediate amelioration of earth’s injustices and inequities (Gen 6:5-6; see also Gen 10:8-12). They also became polygamous, taking and marrying “any of [the women] they chose” (Gen 6:2).


      What evidence can be produced for the correctness of this view? There are five lines of evidence. (1) The ancient Aramaic Targums render “sons of God” as “sons of nobles” (Targums of Onkelos), and the Greek translation of Symmachus reads “the sons of the kings or lords.” (2) The word gods (Hebrew elōhiı̂m) is used in Scripture for men who served as magistrates or judges (“Then his master must take him before the judges [elōhiı̂m],” Ex 21:6; see also Ex 22:8; Ps 82:1, 6). (3) Structurally, the account of the Cainite Lamech (Gen 4:19-24) and that of the “sons of God” in Genesis 6:1-4 are very much alike. In each there is the taking of wives, the bearing of children and the dynastic exploits. The former passage ends with a boast of judgment by Lamech, and the other ends with God’s decree of judgment. Lamech practiced bigamy (Gen 4:19), and he enforced his policies by using tyranny. The portraits are parallel and depict states of tyranny, corruption and polygamy. (4) Near Eastern discoveries have validated the pagan use of all sorts of gods’ and goddesses’ names in order to give more clout and prestige to the governments of Egypt and Mesopotamia—hence the title “sons of God.”


      The fifth and final line of evidence concerns the nep̄ilı̂m/gibbôrim of Genesis 6:4. The word nep̄ilı̂m occurs only here and in Numbers 13:33, where it refers to the Anakim, who were people of great stature. The root meaning of the word nep̄ilı̂m is “to fall.” However in Genesis 6:4 the nep̄ilı̂m are associated with the term gibbo The word gibbôrı̂m comes from gibbôr, meaning “a mighty man of valor, strength, wealth or power.” Nimrod, in Genesis 10:8, was such a gibbôr. He also was clearly a king in the land of Shinar. Hence the meaning of nep̄ilı̂m/gibbôrim is not “giants,” but something more like “princes,” “aristocrats” or “great men.”

      
Genesis 6:1-4, therefore, is best understood as depicting ambitious, despotic and autocratic rulers seizing both women and power in an attempt to gain all the authority and notoriety they could from those within their reach. Their progeny were, not surprisingly, adversely affected, and so it was that God was grieved over the increased wickedness on planet Earth. Every inclination of the hearts and thoughts of humanity was evil. Thus the flood had to come to judge humankind for the perversion of authority, the state, justice and human sexuality.

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    • Yes I thought of that, the scriptures say that King Og was the last of giants and he was wiped out. But satan s purose was to infiltrate the Messiahs blood line, so these Giants were also reduced in size by the inter-marrying of humans, becoming undetectable. Notice an identifying mark of these beings is that they had 6 fingers and 6 toes. I remember my mother telling me, that in the old days if a baby was born with six fingers six toes the baby was suffocated between two pillows as they said the baby was of the devil. These are extremes and very cruel. But I believe we all have an element of this genetic defect, hence why we need Jesus ransom sacrifice, this helps us understand even more why we need a saviour and why Christs sacred blood sets us free from this imperfection.

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  35. There is a RECENT TREND among the Sabbath-Keeping Community and others, concerning events in the Book of Genesis which are interpreted to evince a ‘demi-god’ race of men. That is, part angel/demon and part human.

    The ‘Race of Cain’ and the ‘Serpent Seed’ theories are sweeping across many websites, giving emphasis to the growing prominence of an evil breed of men which are rapidly formulating a New world order to dominate the nations of the earth.

    Let us succinctly consider these passages and reason with the Spirit to evaluate the validity of these claims. Here are some of the verses used in support:

    Note: We will use the Creator’s name ‘YAH’ (Psalm 68:4), instead of the English word ‘God,’ which is what Anglo-Saxons called their idols prior to Catholic conversion in the dark ages. [ See 'Restoring the Pure Language - Part 2' for more details ].

    2 Cor.11:3: But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent BEGUILED Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Messiah.

    The Greek word for ‘beguiled’ is:

    G1818 exapatao ex-ap-at-ah’-o = from 1537 and 538; to seduce wholly: –beguile, deceive.

    The verb upon which it is based is:

    G538 apatao ap-at-ah’-o = of uncertain derivation; to cheat, i.e. delude:–deceive.

    Because exapatao, translated as ‘beguiled,’ is defined as ‘to seduce wholly,’ the claim is that the serpent’s sin was the SEXUAL SEDUCTION of ‘Eve’ [Heb. 'chavah'], rather than one of the mind, even though the definitions are to beguile, deceive, cheat, and delude, NOT to rape, accost, or physically violate.

    Nevertheless, it is further speculated that Eve’s firstborn, CAIN, was the actual offspring of the Devil himself. This in turn is used to explain why YAHUWAH rejected the offering of CAIN and had respect for ABEL, a true son of Adam and Chavah, whom CAIN murdered and was cursed by YAH.

    Through this line of thinking, all the descendants of CAIN, the ‘Kenites,’ are actual ‘SONS of the DEVIL.’ Yahushua is supposed to have addressed these very men:

    John 8:44: Ye are of YOUR FATHER the DEVIL, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

    But the Messiah also told the Apostle Peter in his great moment of weakness:

    Matt. 16:23: But he turned, and said unto Peter, GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of YAH, but those that be of men.

    No one would argue that the Apostle Peter was ‘SATAN’ or the ‘SON of SATAN.’ This is merely an expression based on the understanding that to whom we follow, we symbolically become their ‘son’ or follower. Likewise, the PHARISEES whom the Messiah upbraided were following the ways of their ‘Father,’ the devil.

    This leads us to the second passage used to support the existence of a demi-race of supermen:

    Gen. 6:1: And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    2: That the SONS of ‘YAH’ [H430 'elohiym'] saw the DAUGHTERS of MEN that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    4: There were GIANTS in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the SONS of ‘YAH’ came in unto the DAUGHTERS of MEN, and they bare children to them, the same became MIGHTY MEN which were of old, men of renown.

    FIRST OF ALL, please be reminded that ADAM, the first man, formed by YAHUWAH from the dust of the ground, was referred to by the Spirit of YAH as “Adam, which was the son of ‘YAH’” (Luke 3:38).

    The Hebrew word for ‘giants’ is H5303 nphiyl nef-eel’ = or nphil {nef-eel’}; from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:–giant. [Not, a demi-god, an immortal, a son of an angel].

    In addition, we find three times in the Book of Job, the angels and fallen angels, demons, including Satan himself, referred to as the ‘sons of ‘YAH”:

    Job:1:6: Now there was a day when the SONS of ‘YAH’ [H430 'elohiym'] came to present themselves before YAH, and Satan came also among them.

    Job:2:1: Again there was a day when the SONS of ‘YAH’ came to present themselves before YAH, and Satan came also among them to present himself before YAH.

    Job:38:7: When the morning stars sang together, and all the SONS of ‘YAH’ shouted for joy?

    LET’S LOOK at the Hebrew word used here:

    H430 ‘elohiym el-o-heem’ = plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used …of the supreme ‘YAH’; occasionally applied …to magistrates; and sometimes …angels, …(very) great, judges, …mighty.

    The verb form ‘el’ meaning ‘mighty; …idol, mighty one), shows why ‘elohiym is also used to refer to the idols/false pagan images worshipped by the people as ‘mighty ones’:

    Exod. 20:3: Thou shalt have no other gods [H430 'elohiym'] before me.

    4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
    5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I YAHUWAH thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim….

    SIMPLY PUT, these several references to the ‘Sons of YAH’ simply mean ‘mighty ones’ in the earth, whether they are angels, demons, mighty men [such as Goliath and Nimrod], magistrates, judges, rulers, and very often the idols which represent these mighty ones.

    THIS INQUIRY could be extended for quite a while, but for the sake of precious time, let us consider the SPECIFIC QUESTIONS at hand and seek a verdict in this matter:

    DID SATAN the DEVIL SEXUALLY SEDUCE ‘EVE’ and FATHER the ‘RACE of CAIN’?

    DID ANGELIC BEINGS MARRY WITH FAIR DAUGHTERS OF MORTAL MEN and PRODUCE GIANTS [Heb. NEPHYLIM], MIGHTY ONES in the earth?

    WHO WILL ARBITRATE THIS MATTER and DECIDE for us the TRUTH? Of course, the AUTHOR and PROVIDER of TRUTH, and the only BROUGHT-FORTH SON of the LIVING YAHUWAH ELOHIM, YAHUSHUA the MESSIAH.

    He addressed this very issue during His earthly ministry and gave a very PRECISE and CONCLUSIVE ANSWER concerning the nature of created spirit beings:

    Matt. 22:23: The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
    24: Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

    25: Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
    26: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
    27: And last of all the woman died also.

    28: Therefore in the resurrection WHOSE WIFE SHALL SHE BE of the seven? for they all had her.

    YAHUSHUA’s AUTHORITATIVE RESPONSE follows:

    M’t:22:29: Yahushua answered and said unto them, YE DO ERR, NOT KNOWING the SCRIPTURES, nor the power of YAHUWAH.

    M’t:22:30: For in the resurrection they NEITHER MARRY, nor are given in marriage, but ARE AS THE ANGELS of YAHUWAH in heaven.

    CLEARLY, SPIRIT BEINGS DO NOT MARRY, LET ALONE HAVING ILLICIT SEXUAL RELATIONS with MORTALS. THIS DISPELS the UNSCRIPTURAL notion of ANGELS MARRYING WITH the FAIR DAUGHTERS of MEN in Genesis chapter six. As Yahushua said, ‘YE DO ERR, NOT KNOWING the SCRIPTURES.’

    When the CREATOR put mankind and all other life-forms on the earth, He commanded them to be fruitful and multiply, after THEIR OWN KIND and in THEIR OWN LIKENESS.

    LIKEWISE, the SERPENT’s SEDUCTION of Mother Chavah was wholly of a MENTAL, INTELLECTUAL, and EMOTIONAL nature. She was not ‘swept off her feet’ with carnal passion, but rather:

    Gen. 3:6: “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be DESIRED TO MAKE ONE WISE, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and GAVE ALSO UNTO HER HUSBAND with her; and he did eat.”

    Mother CHAVAH was completely DECEIVED, DELUDED, and CHEATED because she BELIEVED the SERPENT’s lie and wanted her husband to share in the perceived benefits. There is not the SLIGHTEST HINT of anything SEXUAL in this passage. As Paul said, Chavah’s MIND was ‘corrupted from the simplicity that is in Messiah.’

    Only when Paul’s reference in 2 Cor.11 is TWISTED by a PRE-CONCEIVED idea and inserted as a ‘subtext’ of Genesis 3 can this perverted theory gain ground.

    EXAMINING the original Hebrew of Chavah’s explanation also clarifies this confusion:

    Gen. 3:13: And the YAHUWAH Elohim said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent [H5377] BEGUILED me, and I did eat. H5377 nasha’ naw-shaw’ = a primitive root; TO LEAD ASTRAY, i.e. (MENTALLY) to DELUDE or (MORALLY) to SEDUCE:–beguile, DECEIVE, X greatly, X utterly.

    ALL that was really needed was to go to next chapter:

    “And ADAM KNEW [CHAVAH] HIS WIFE; and SHE CONCEIVED, AND BARE CAIN, and said, I have gotten a man from YAHUWAH” (Gen. 4:1).

    HA HA! So much for the ‘Serpent Seed’ / ‘RACE of CAIN.’ UNFORTUNATELY, those who favor the Serpent, so-called ‘lucifereans,’ want to attribute many things to his prowess that are false and undeserved, in order to mislead and disorient those sincere followers of Yahushua.

    FORTUNATELY, Yahushua clearly states that ANGELS are NOT DESIGNED to PROCREATE, rather they are CREATED SPIRIT BEINGS. His statement closes the door to further SPECULATION of this sort.

    The Mythology of the Pagans is replete with such fanciful notions of Olympian gods swooning over fair mortal maidens and fathering races of demi-gods, such as Hercules, Perseus, and Achilles.

    As YAHUWAH Elohim continues to RESTORE Truth to his end-time servants, we must LET the SCRIPTURES INTERPRET the SCRIPTURES, “Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth” (Titus 1:14).

    THY WORD is TRUTH, O YAHUWAH! HALLELU-YAH!

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    • Hi Belen,

      Thanks for your comments. I agree, that angels in Heaven do not marry. But the angels of Genesis 6 were not in Heaven, nor were they Holy. They were rebellious, evil angels who chose to have illicit relations with human women. This is referenced in Jude and 2 Peter (both passages are quotes in the Nephilim series).

      And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. – Jude 1:6-7.

      How do you interpret this passage?

      Regarding the Satan-Eve theory – It is not Biblical. It has zero Scriptural support and nowhere does this article even mention it. Thanks again for your comments and please feel free to continue to share your thoughts. God bless.

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      • What About Jude?

        But, you ask, didn’t the fallen angels leave their first estate? Jude 1:6 says they did, doesn’t it? Well, yes, and no. The teachers of this view love to quote this verse attempting to prove the fallen angels, demons, devils had left themselves (their spirit bodies). Let’s take a quick look and I’m sure you will see the same kind of faulty reasoning as with the false giants teaching, telling us these were children of these angels, you know, the angels that “kept not their first estate”. Let’s read:

        (Jude 1:6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

        Okay, where does it say, the angels left their spirit bodies to cohabit with flesh and blood women? Right, it doesn’t, it says these angels “kept not their first (get that – first) estate” — they departed from their first habitation, or place assigned to them. What this is saying is they left a place they were living, a place given them and for some reason, probably having to do with Satan’s rebellion, they abandoned their appointed place, their habitation and assaulted their Creator’s domain.

        We live on a beautiful planet all of our needs taken care of, but we dream of building space ships to blast off into places we have no business being. We are instructed to care for the World and to be fruitful, but what do we, humans, dream of? We dream of the day we can travel the universe and for what?

        It is pretty simple if you believe the words and quite trying to twist the plain truth into something mysterious, even weird, but this does seem to excite the ears of some. These rebel angels are to suffer a bitter end bound in chains of darkness. Who can know how beautiful their “first estate” had been, their original habitation, their estate?

        Dreamers of the flesh, like the rebel angels, carry their banner of deceit and falsehood pulling along as many as possible toward the fires of destruction, headed for complete annihilation. Read the whole of what is written in Jude and believe it, do not try to build myths out of something so simple to understand. Stop being confused on this. (Gal 5:10, 1 Cor 14:33).

        Jude is all about the judgment of those “dreamers” making up stories like the writers of fiction and they do this for gain. A greedy bunch more interested in deception, working for a dollar and giving themselves over to a future punishment not unlike that suffered by those of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Titus 1:11, Mt 23:25, 2 Pet 2:3,14)

        (2Pe 2:3) In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

        They commit the sin of Balaam, working for money, as greed drives them, which is described as a form if idolatry. Balaam was a priest, and a priest of YHWH no less. He had the ear of YHWH, spoke with Him, communicated with Him, but still his heart was set on personal gain, not lowerly service (Numbers 22). These men, like Balaam, are put in the same boat as the “fallen angels” and their judgment is sure.

        Keep in mind, the account given in Jude is about fallen men, by comparison, to fallen angels. So, if we are to jump to the wrong conclusion, that the fallen angels left themselves to cohabit with flesh and blood women, are we then, in the context of the whole of Jude, to assume these greedy men become spirit as the rebel angels became flesh? Absolutely not, there is no such suggestion, and I say this only to demonstrate the idiotic suggestion that spirit beings, fallen or other wise, do not marry, and do not cohabit with human women. Please, read all of Jude, it’s short, but think on it then reread it. It has a lot to say and much is missed when one jumps to the false conclusion concerning the fallen angels that Jude mentions as an example to emphasize the seriousness of our own destiny, and especially of those having made profit of God’s people.

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        • Hi Bellen,

          Your article response seems to ignore one part of the verses I posted:

          And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. – Jude 1:6-7.

          The phrase “even as” indicates it is making a direct comparison – thus it is saying the angels who sinned gave themselves over to fornication.

          In the articles you posted, much of what they say is already addressed in the article. You do not address these points directly, but if you care to, I’m happy to respond. And like most articles that go counter to the Angel-human women relationship interpretation, they do not explain where the giants came from. Thanks again. God bless.

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          • THERE’S NO KNOWLEDGE HERE OR IN YOU!

            Just like everyone that’s in the dark that i have met, They refused to come to the light or Repent, I notice in this web page how theres not even the slightest Respect for the corrected name of our Messiah AT ALL ? IF YOU ARE STILL USING THE PAGAN NAME JESUS CHRIST YOU HAVE DONE WHAT THE SCRIPTURES HAVE SAID, AND THESE BIBLICAL PASSAGES ARE REALLY LINK TOGETHER UNLIKE WHAT YOU THINK IS AND IS NOT!

            PLUS THERE’S REALLY NO TRUTH IN YOU, FOR THE LIES THAT ARE ON THIS WEB LINK…

            REPENT!

            1 YOHANAN 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that YaHshua is the Messiah? He is antiMessiah who denies the Father and the Son.

            1 YOHANAN 1 John 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

            1 YOHANAN 1 John 2:24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

            2 THESSALONIANS 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,

            2 THESSALONIANS 2:10 And with all deceit of unrighteousness in those perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, in order for them to be saved.

            2 THESSALONIANS 2:11And for this reason Elohim sends them a working of delusion, for them to believe the falsehood,

            2 THESSALONIANS 2:12 in order that all should be judged who did not believe the truth, but have delight- ed in the unrighteousness.

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            • Hi Bellen,

              I’m sorry your offended by my use of the name Jesus. But I am not in agreement with the Hebrew Roots/Sacred name movement. First off, there are very few people who are familiar with Paleo-Hebrew, the original language of the Old Testament. If you were, you would never use vowels when writing “the real name” of Jesus, because it has no vowels. Secondly, the Jews in Judea at the time of Christ’s time on Earth were reading the Septuagint version of the Old Testament for the most part, which is written in Greek.

              Finally, Jesus Himself said this:


              I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
              – Revelation 1:8

              Here is Jesus, The Lord, giving Himself a title, that is in Greek. So clearly calling Jesus by His Greek name, Iesous, or in English, Jesus, could not be that wrong.

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    • I can speak from personal experience here, that these fallen angels do have a sexual interest in women, not only back then but in our time, as I have personally experienced such a thing and trust me I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. The bible says “so as it was in the days of Noah so it will be in the last days. These fallen angels, still have the ability to have sexual relations with women. The New Age religion is one of their means. Spiritual healing known as Reiki, meditation, drugs, allow these beings to pose as ascended masters, spirit guides etc, while all along they are fallen angels misleading women I have even heard of it happening to men. These are what were known as incubus and secubus back in the middle ages.

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  36. Yahushua shed his blood for all of us, clemency for all especially sinners, But reading the scriptures i realized that at one time Yhwh ran a campaign with Moshe to destroy all the descendents of Anaqim the so call giants in the Bible so i did a little research, And found out the reason why, One reason was that they were occupying the land that was given to the sons of Lot, And the other very important reason is sexual immorality, Or In Biology Polyspermy describes an egg that has been fertilized by more than one sperm. Diploid organisms normally contain two copies of each chromosome, one from each parent. The cell resulting from polyspermy, on the other hand, contains three or more copies of each chromosome — one from the egg and one each from multiple sperm. Usually, the result is an inviable zygote. This may occur because sperm are too efficient at reaching and fertilizing eggs due to the selective pressures of sperm competition. Such a situation is often deleterious to the female: in other words, the male-male competition among sperm spills over to create sexual conflict,. Also i read in the Talmud, According to the Babylonian Talmud (Sotah 42b) Goliath was a son of Orpah, the sister-in-law of Ruth, David’s own great grandmother (Ruth → Obed → Jesse → David). Ruth Rabbah, a haggadic and homiletic interpretation of the Book of Ruth, makes the blood-relationship even closer, considering Orpah and Ruth to have been full sisters. Orpah was said to have made a pretense of accompanying Ruth but after forty paces left her. Thereafter she led a dissolute life. According to the Jerusalem Talmud Goliath was born by polyspermy, and had about one hundred fathers,So this is also why Yhwh was hard on Sodom and Gomorrah, For they were all having very sinful sexual relations that would lead to the creations of Giants.

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      BELEN: Goliath was a son of Orpah, the sister-in-law of Ruth, David’s own great grandmother (Ruth → Obed → Jesse → David). Ruth Rabbah, a haggadic and homiletic interpretation of the Book of Ruth, makes the blood-relationship even closer, considering Orpah and Ruth to have been full sisters. Orpah was said to have made a pretense of accompanying Ruth but after forty paces left her.

      Hi Belen! You certainly have done a lot of research! I have enjoyed reading your posts and especially this portion hit me right between the eyes! Orpah was the mother of Goliath?! Wow! And he had about 100 fathers? Or did you mean the 100 sperm came from the same man? Apparently Goliath had four brothers (2 Samuel 21:15-22). Was Orpah the mother of all five giants? Even if she only had one, I can just say …. no wonder she barely went forty paces. She probably desperately wanted to get out of town but didn’t have the strength to walk. Polyspermy. That is really a lot harder to swallow than believing fallen angels produced the giants. :-) P.S. I too use the “pagan name of Jesus Christ”. He answered to that Name when I called Him and the devils seem to fear that Name so I guess I’ll stick with it. As you know, Jesus spoke to simple people, not especially well educated. I believe the Bible is just relating those simple things God spoke to simple people who have the Holy Spirit to bear witness or to expose the lie. If we try to complicate things and read a lot into the Bible, …. well, it gives me a headache. God bless you brother (or sister) and give you peace.

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  37. Giants on the Earth?

    NEPHILIM? GIANTS?
    Angels marrying the daughters of men?

    What would you say if I, or someone else, were to tell you the Bible says “Angels” of the Living God married human women? First, before you answer, get the picture in your head, “Angels” of our Creator, beings made of spirit, not flesh, having sex with flesh and blood women. Taking as many as they choose for — wives? Where would such a thought come from? From the Bible, they say, from God’s own words.

    Let’s have a look at this doctrine and at the reason for this teaching. It is a twisting of the scriptures that is so blatant, so patently false it deserves to be set up as an example of Satan’s influence over certain teachers, preachers, and false prophets of the past and of today. That’s right I am saying those teaching this false doctrine are being duped themselves or are under the influence of Satan willingly, teaching doctrines of devils.

    (1Tim 4:1) Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    This false teaching, concerning angels, is an earmark, for you, in helping to identify the wolves in sheep’s clothing (Mat 7:15). Certainly, there may be one here and there not realizing their error, mistakenly identifying the whisper in their ear concerning this matter and then letting their imagination run away with them. Certainly, there may be some preachers of the Word that have fallen in with the wrong crowd and have been influenced indirectly. These men, hopefully, will wakeup, see their error, and repent of it, and apologize to those they have, by their own credentials, misled. In the meantime it is up to those of us seeing clearly to expose what needs to be exposed — “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them” (Eph 5:11)

    There is always the hope those truly searching the truth will realize the error when they see it.

    Lying Spirits

    This is a doctrine that is being taught by the lying spirits of old and is being passed down to the Christian community the world over as fact. Christians are not alone in this false teaching — this teaching is also given support by some Jewish interpreters of the Torah (Tit 1:13-14, 2 Pet 1:16). My friends, this is a teaching that leads to other errors and misjudgments in the written word. But, most of all, this false teaching essentially calls our Messiah a liar (forgive me Yahshua). Please read and consider — not what I say or what someone else may say — but listen to the Word, the written word, let it be your guide.

    Let’s look at it together and consider what is being said not what some “agent” of Satan (knowingly or unknowingly) wants it to say. First, let us go to the scripture used to promote this false teaching, this teaching of devils.

    Genesis 6:1-4 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    Notice, these “sons of God” take wives, this suggests a formal process, not rape. In the ancient world taking a wife meant something, even as it does today, marriage has always been held in high esteem by every society, no matter the religion — why would fallen angels care about man’s tradition and custom of “marriage? There are two important examples of the seriousness in regards to marriage, the union of man and woman, and the ancient view concerning a man’s wife. Marriage was takenvery seriously by the Ancients and no mention of spirit beings, angels, and their wives — a “death do you part” clause, even used in todays wedding vows — but ignored.

    Genesis 12:10 And there was a famine in the land: and Abram went down into Egypt to sojourn there; for the famine was grievous in the land. 11 And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that you are a fair woman to look upon:

    12 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see you, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save you alive. 13 Say, you are my sister: that it may be well with me for your sake; and my soul shall live because of you.

    14 And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she was very fair. 15 The princes also of Pharaoh saw her, and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh’s house. 16 And he entreated Abram well for her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.

    17 And the LORD (YHWH) plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram’s wife. 18 And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? 20 And Pharaoh commanded his men concerning him: and they sent him away, and his wife, and all that he had. KJV

    Taking a wife is Serious Business

    Notice, the man of “renown”, the King of Egypt, not an angel, was in the habit of taking wives on a whim. Remember, the Egyptian royalty were considered “gods” and to take a wife not of their own blood would be considered the taking of wives from among common man – those not of the god family — they married within the family as gods, but in this case one considered a god among the people was taking another wife from among men — because he saw the she was fiar — sound familiar? Also, as wwe can see, these verses demonstrate the high value placed on marriage. Abraham understood the quick solution to dissolving a marriage, just kill off the spouse freeing the survivor to marry another, and this had been Abraham’s big fear, so, it much have happened before, Abraham must have had first hand knowldege that this was something these “god kings” (sons of the gods) did. Let’s not for get, Genesis 6 says, “sons of Elohim”, on other words, “sons of gods” as Elohim is plural, singular is “El”. The “god” King of Egypt would have killed Abraham in order to gain another “fair” wife from among men – “commoners” (daughters of common men) outside of the “god” family. There is another example of the same seriousness marriage played among those of ancient times.

    Genesis 20:1 And Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourned in Gerar. 2 And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.

    Apparently the lie Abraham told concerning his relationship with Sarah while in Egypt worked so well he and Sarah followed the same line of deception again, all based on the fear Abraham, and apparently Sarah shared (read verse 5), of being killed in order to dissolve his marriage so that his wife could be claimed by another of higher status. And this is not the end of it. Some years after Sarah and Abraham were deceased, their son Isaac and his wife Rebekah, fell into the same lie. They feared the men of “renown”, these god Kings (sons of the gods) had a penchant for acquiring the pretties wives from among the general population.

    Genesis 26:7 And the men of the place asked him (Isaac, son of Abraham) of his wife; and he said, She is my sister: for he feared to say, She is my wife; lest, said he, the men of the place should kill me for Rebekah; because she was fair to look upon.

    Here again we see how marriage is considered important, important enough to only be ended by the death of one of the parties – in this case, the husband. It seems divorce, forced or otherwise, was not an option. If someone of authority wanted another’s wife the solution would be simple enough – kill the husband. Abraham feared this when he entered the land of Egypt and while in the area of Gerar so did his son, Isaac, years later. One thing is consistent; it had been the habit of men of local “renown”, kings, even those claiming to be descendant from the gods to take for themselves wives from among other men, or common men, those of lesser value, those not descendant from the gods or the race of people considered to be of the gods – foreign wives.

    This is not the end of it. Reread the Genesis 6 account, notice that the same condition, or requirement these “sons of god” based the taking of wives from among common men – they saw “that the daughter’s of men were beautiful”. This is the same fear Abraham and Isaac held as they had wives of great beauty. Let’s look further into this teaching of treachery and deceit.

    Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD (YHWH) said, My spirit shall not always strive (Live and struggle) with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown

    The Sons of God

    Why are they called “sons of God” if they are not angel? Or, are they “angels”? Aren’t angels sons of God? First, if you are a Christian, you above all, should understand this. Christians call themselves children of God and understand the Messiah, YaHshua as the Son of God and that He is called the “first” of many. If YaHshua is the “first” – and who can disputed this — then He is literally the very Son of the Living God, and recognized as the FIRST of many, then those “sons of God” referred to in Genesis 6 could very possibly be the “children of God”, or “sons of God” even as we are today as beleivers called “children of God” and not angels. If YaHshua is the “first fruit” the first one from Heaven then how could Genesis 6 ever mean “angels”? Oh, but wait, don’t listen to me – let’s turn to the Word:

    (1 Corinthians 15:20) But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept.

    (1 Corinthians 15:23) But every man in his own order: The Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

    (James 1:18) Of his own will begat He us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

    (Revelation 14:4) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow theLamb whithersoever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.

    (2Co 6:18) And will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    (Heb 1:5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, ‘You are my Son, this day have I begotten you?’ And again, ‘I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son’?

    Those “sons of God” in Genesis 6 cannot be “angels” or they would be the “first fruits” but they are not. Still, there is another proof that cannot be ignored, and as a believer of the Word, should be the final word. What does the Messiah have to say concerning angels?

    (Matthew 22:30) For in the resurrection they (resurrected believers) neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

    Did you get that? YaHshua’s words and He should know — “…as the angels of God”. What is it about the angels? They do not marry! So, how is it the “sons of God” in Genesis are taking wives if they are angels? The “sons of God” of today are still in the flesh and do marry, do take wives, but not the angels and when believers are finally changed (quickened) into the Spirit then neither will they, as literal born spirit beings will not take wives. Another thing, If these are angelsare in rebellion then why would they bother with marriage? Why take wives, ignoring the Laws of God, but honoring the laws of man? It makes no sense that rebel angels manifest themselves into some fleshly form in order to marry women under the rules of men as they rebel against the law and order of their Creator — I can’t think of another way to say it. No matter how beautiful a flesh and blood woman may be wouldn’t an angel be more beautiful? If they want to marry beauty then why not marry each other — what, are angels only males — the Christ says they are neither, doesn’t He? I am be facetious, of course, but it is a valid point all the same.

    It has to be that these “sons” are not angels but humans like those of ancient Egypt, and others, claiming to be gods themselves or children of the “gods”. There is another group can and do claim the title as “sons of God” in the times or Enoch, a preacher of righteousness and also a preacher of the Gospel (Jude 1:14) and in those times just before Enoch certian people were calling on the Name of their Creator (Gen 4:26). There seems to have been a time when a certain type or class of humans that considered themselves as true believers, as we do today. So, we have at lest two alternative groups, both human, that would fit the discription, “sons of God”.

    Thinking About It Again

    Believers of then recognized themselves as sons, or children of God, just as we do today (Acts 17:29, 1 Th 5:5, Mat 13:38, Jn 12:36, Romans 8:16-17). We know this because we read in Genesis 4:26 “…then began men to call upon the Name of YHWH”. From Genesis 4 through chapter 7 we see mankind going from calling themselves “sons of YHWH” (sons of God) and “striving with HIs Holy Spirit” to the point the Creator withdraws Himself from all but Noah. We are living in times just like the days of Noah when they were marrying and giving in marriage, thinking themselves good and right and holy when all the time they were nothing but dead men — just as the days of Noah (Mat 24:38). If we take this line of thinking to the next level and allow for this false doctrine teaching “angels took wives” even giving it the slightest possibility of containing some germ of truth, we would have to then assume angels are taking wives today — that is — if we are living as in the days of Noah? Get it? How many of our women, in these end days, are going to the marriage altar with angels? Please.

    The “sons of god” in Genesis 6 are, quite possibly, as pointed out previously, “god Kings”. Many of the ancient societies, including the Roman Empire, saw their leaders, their Kings, as gods or “sons of god”. And as “sons of the gods” we have this concept built into their mythic tales and misadventures of their pagan heroes, great men from the past — sound familiar? These god Kings set themselves apart even though they were degenerate humans, setting themselves apart from the general population, they ruled by self-imposed divine decree usually confirmed by the recognized and accepted religious leaders of the day — priest, wizards and prophets.

    One more thing to consider. YaHWeH called Moses a god — yes,He did — in fact He said He was making Moses “a god” and that Arron would be his, Moses’, prophet. The reason for this is understood when we see that the Pharoah of Egypt was considered a god and that he had his prophets and wizards. YaHWeH was going to make Moses equal to, even more than the Pharoah, by acts only a god could really bring about. If Moses is said, by YaHWeH, to be a god, the would Moses, a great man in the religon of Israel, called a “son of god”? Okay, so, read it for yourself –

    (Exo 7:1) And the LORD (YHWH) said unto Moses, See, I have made you a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be your prophet.

    Also we have another man being called a “son of god” — King Solomon — 2 Sam 7:14. Some say this applies to King David but David did not build a House (Temple) to the Name of YaHWeH, Solomon did that. No matter, the fact remains that a man is called a “son of god”

    Again, let us turn to the scriptures for this truth concerning the application of the term, “sons of god” from the New Testament:

    Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Strong’s #5043- children – “child, daughter, son”)

    Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation (revealing) of the sons of God.

    Galatians 3:26 For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ YaHshua.

    Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, YaHshua the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. (Our profession — YaHshua is the Son of God, the First Fruit of man’s ultimate future as “sons of God”)

    (1 John 4:15) Whosoever shall confess that YaHshua is the Son of God, God lives in him, and he in God.

    (1 John 5:13) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God. (Remembering that His true Name, YaHshua, has been removed and replaced in most translation in favor of a different name, Jesus, shouls be of deep concern for the seeker of truth – the deception is worldwide as a different Savior is taught.)

    (1 John 5:20) And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son YaHshua the Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

    (Hebrews 1:5) For to which of the angels said He at any time, You are my Son, this day have I begotten you? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (This verse should clinch it. Our Father in Heaven has never called any angel His son — this means the emphasis on the term, “sons of god” in the book of Job has another purpose, a different meaning — . This should also shut the mouths of those that would try and tell us YaHshua was once an angel, or that He was the angel Michael of the Old Testament)

    Hebrews 1:13-14 But to which of the angels said He at any time, Sit on My right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

    Spirits we know as “angels” are ministering spirits and they are “sent forth” to what? That’s right, to “minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation”. Does that sound like the “sons of god” we read about in Genesis 6? Let’s not forget, rebel angels would not be called, “sons of god” — no, angels in rebellion would be called “demons” or “devils”. We do not need to go into all of the twists and turns the false teachers go into in order to convince you angels had human wives and had sex with them giving birth to giant, hybird monstrosities called Nephilium (Gen 6:4 “giants” in the KJV). We should be able to stop right here, and with your knowledge, as a believer, you should already know all of this, but if you don’t or have been confused by some demonstrating great knowledge, in the twisting of single words fitting things from outside sources to vague and very brief parts of Scripture into and “alien” doctrine, then it is my hope to add to your ability to see through the sham of these false teachings. The teachers of these things believe their own words and dreams, being deceived in their own minds, so it is pointless to question their sincerity, but in their own deceived minds they continue trying to convince you to see their false vision (2 Tim 3:13), to see their deception as truth. Perhaps my writing will help in solidifying what you already know in your heart to be true. I hope so. No need to stop now, however, as we are on a roll.

    It should be noted, at this point, that in order for a spirit to be called an “angel of god” and not a demon, or devil, it would have to be an orderly spirit, one in obedience to the Living God – to their Creator. Satan was once an angel, a mighty and beautiful angel, then he sinned, thinking to be equal to His Creator, even thinking it possible to replace his Creator — the ultimate in arogance — in this change of attitude and rebellion his form changed, likened unto a dragon (dinosaur, maybe – Rev 12:3-9; 20:2 – Dragon for sure — before being cast to the earth, we read of him being likened to a “roaring lion”). He is Still a spirit but an evil spirit, a demon, a devil, a destroyer. Rebellious angels are not called angels, least of all “sons of god” (Isa 11:12, Lucifer means Morning Star) once they have changed into demons — transformed from “angels” (angel, also means “messengers” of god, and ministering spirits) into evil beings, evil spirits and as such would not be called “sons of god”. Another thought to comtemplate — when did the Son of the Morning become Satan the Devil, was it when he thought to rise above his Creator or when he tried to? The Scriptures tell us it was when “iniquity” was found in him, this would before he acted . Remember, it says, in his rebellion he took a third of the angels with him. Does any of this should like a bunch of angels hanging out at the Babylonian saloon and spotting some filthy human woman decide they needed to get married?

    Yes, verse 9 of Rev 12 does refer to “angels” along with Satan, but notice, they are his, Satan’s, angels. Angels of God, as we have already read, are “ministering spirits” for the elect of God. Satan’s angels, Satan’s messengers, would not fall into that category any longer rather is the prime “accuser” of human beleivers. Maybe that is why Satan is cast to the earth, God got tired of hearing his constant whinning? Satan, identified as a “devil”, has his messengers, those rebel angels joining with him and also joining in his fall — no longer called or deserving to be called, “Sons of God”.

    We have already covered the scriptures in clarifying the fact that the true “sons of God” are a type of first fruits following the Messiah into eternity, He being the first of the first. So, the “sons of god” found in Genesis 6 cannot be speaking of literal “sons”, like created obedient angels.

    Ah, but what about Job, in his account he calls the angels “sons of god”, doesn’t he? This is a proof text deceiver’s use, these false teachers, twisting the Word of the Living God. This is an easy one to dispute but it is used over and over again by the false teachers to confuse and misguide the blind. These teachers say unashamedly that in the Hebrew Scriptures there is only two places this term, “sons of god” is used and in both places it is referring to angels. What does Job say?

    (Job 1:6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD (YHWH), and Satan came also among them.

    Okay, you are pretty smart, just what does this much quoted verse really say? That is correct, the “sons of god” are mentioned and it is understood that these are created spirits, or “angels” but then what does it say? “… and Satan came also among them”, do you see, Satan is not included as a member of the “sons of god”. It is only reasonable to assume that if Satan is mentioned apart from the “sons of god” then so would his demon spirits that followed him into the rebellion – Satan is not called a “son of God” and neither would those fallen angels that followed him. Not only that, but we have it in the “word” — demon angels are held in a place of darkness (Jude 6) and it would seem unlikely they would be allowed access to this meeting with the Creator. Why would Satan be allowed in? It seem that at the time of the writing of Job, Satan was not bound to this Earth, this prison, not until YaHshua came and closed access to him. We see Satan cast to Earth after a battle with Michael and many angels with him. Our Messiah Himself states that He personally saw him, Satan, fall — cast to Earth like lightening falling. When did this happen? Reading Revelation 12:9 and Luke 10:18 and putting two and two together we can say this event occurred while YaHshua stood with His disciples on this dusty Earth and Satan’s anger is on display continually — just watch the news. He, Satan, is said to have power over the air, not power over Heavenly places, he is bound here on earth with “his angels”, and they are not called the “sons of god”(Eph 2:2).

    Job wrote of an account that took place in Heaven, a meeting of the angels with their Creator, and Satan appeared among them, these “sons of god”. Perhaps some of his demon angels with him, it does not say, but looking at Jude 6 we can safely say that these evil angels are limited in what they can and cannot do. After the Messiah defeated him, taking the destructive power of death away from him, Satan himself is then denied access to the gathering of the angels before the thrown of our Father.

    Let’s take a deeper look at this term in Job, the “sons of God”:

    Strong’s #1121 – sons – The definition is really long and can include many things and does not turn the “son’s of god” of Genesis into literal “sons”. But, in this definition it is never suggested to include anything of a rebellious nature. For those interested here is the full definition: bane – son

    From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1, H251, etc.): – + afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-]ite, [anoint-]ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-]ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant[-est], whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.

    This definition covers a whole slew of applications, none of which pin this reference to “angels”. When looking at Genesis the false teachers try to tell us that the union between angels and women led to offspring of “giant” proportions. I know, I know, it goes from the ridiculous to out right stupidity, but, let’s not judge, but let the word say what it says and judge this matter for us. In fact, the one individual, in modern history, responsible for this teachings spread through the Christian community is Dr Scofield of the famed “Scofield Reference Bible”. It should be noted here, however, that this teaching originates with the old Rabbi teachers of the Oral Torah, and other of their Kabbalistic writings (Jewish Mysticism, Jewish Theosophy) — don’t ever think the Jews or any of the Hebrews know more than anyone else because of their history, remember, they rejected YaHshua and favor the writings of their sages and ancient rabbis over the word of God.

    While the idea of evil in the form of angels or other gods is not unique in the ancient and pagan worlds the Jewish community has not been immune to such ideas and a whole segment of sects of Jewish groups have taught the inner action of “fallen angels” with men. A good Jewish source covering a balanced view and expose on this subject can be found at this linl:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0002_0_01096.html

    The following is a quote from Scofield’s reference work applied to the KJV:

    Taken from the 1967 edition of the Scofield Reference Bible, note 1 relating to Genesis 6:4: “Some hold that the “sons of God” were fallen angels “who kept not their first estate” (Jude 6-7, cp. “even as Sodom and Gomorrah”; 2 Pet. 2:4-9. Accordingly, this intrusion into the human sphere produced a race of wicked giants (Gen. 6:4-6).

    While the Scofield note goes on to mention the objection by some to this interpretation it is non-the-less never rejected by Scofield and has led many, over the years, to accept this line of thinking. Some have seen the error of this, but for some strange reason refuse to give up on the idea that “angels” slept with flesh and blood women producing giant offspring. What some have propose is that the angels possessed flesh and blood males and vicariously had relations with women through their host males and some how changed the host sperm so that the children spawned by this activity were of giant stature — it never ends. Ludicrous, I know but this is the very reason you need to get into the Word of God on your own as much as possible. Speculation and opinion is one thing, but we should all give way to the truth presented to us in the Word, the written word and not some ramblings of someone claiming our Father is talking to them or they have seen some special vision or that some angel is the source of their inspiration — heed the warning — Gal 1:8. Beware of those saying, ‘I have dreamed a dream’, or, ‘the Lord told me, or spoke to me’ (Jer 23:16-17). There are those in the habit of writing their own scripture contrary to the Word delivered to us by the blood of YaHshua and of the saints and Apostles. Beware of those writing books about their adventures into Heaven or Hell, these are demented people with lying spirits preaching another, different gospel.

    Just witness this authority among Christian sources as a prime example of teaching something that is false, or at least very questionable — Harper’s Bible Dictionary — this excellent source, for the most part, pulls no punches and states right out, “the sons of God” in Genesis 6 are spiritual, supernatural beings. Incredible but true — seeing is believing, as the saying goes so here is the quote from Harper’s that proves even the best can be wrong:

    Page 981 – second paragraph – “In the first group is the enigmatic passage in Gen. 6:1-4, which gives an account of how the union of “the sons of God” with “the daughters of men” produced a race of “mighty men that were of old.” Here the expression clearly refers to divine beings, and male divine beings at that, given their union with human women.”

    And you thought I was making this stuff up. Harper’s Bible Dictionary, a recognized leader in biblical studies, making a statement under the authority of their Bible Dicitonary that is totally not true, and they are not the only ones. From what has already been discussed I hope you can clearly see through this deceptive teaching and understand why it is important to have a clear understanding on this. Harper’s Bible Dictionary and other works and teachers supporting this false view are in essence saying the Messiah is in error, or (Father forgive me) a liar.

    Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. KJV (Mark 12:25)

    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    If you accept the false teaching, leaving room, being a tolerant person, for the opposing view these “sons of God” were really angels, having sex with human women then you are degrading the Birth of the Messiah and His sacrifice for us. Do you see it? Satan has had many years to cloud clear waters with murky half lies. He has helped misguide mankind into religions touching on the “mother and child” concept, creating his own view and deception in pagan religions about gods intermingling with humans sexually.

    The birth of the Christ is devalued if angels, any angels, or even demons can have sex and procreate with human women. It is not about sex only, but to MARRY flesh and blood women — taking wives? Think about it, the greatest event in the history of mankind is made meaningless if this is something that can happen and something that was happening long before the promise of our Savior. That fact alone should tell you that this teaching is approaching blaspheme, and even, possibly, approaches the “unforgivable sin”. If fallen angels, including Satan himself, can have sex, cohabit, with flesh and blood women then the miraculous way by which our Savior came into being, into flesh, is not so miraculous after all it has been going on for centuries, from the beginning.

    Not all Christians hold this view but it is continuing to gain popularity among the Evangelicals as more and more of the Evangelical preachers and teachers present this view to their students. And it is not only the Christians that have this view. Certainly the comparisons can be found in the Greek mythologies as well as the religions of Middle East. And we can see this within the Jewish Bible and translation notes in the “Hebrew Study Bible”. In fact, they, the Jewish story tellers, are the origin of this false teaching in the first place — at least the source from whom Sconfield drew his conclusions and becomes the source by which the Christians buy into this false teaching. I will give you a quote from a Jewish Bible — TANAKH, The Holy Scriptures, “The New JPS Translation According to the Traditional Hebrew Text”:

    Genesis 6:1 When men began to increase on the earth and daughters were born to them, the divine beings saw how beautiful the daughter of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them.

    As we have seen from earlier evidence the interpretation given to the “sons of God” is one of choice not fact. The Jewish scholars choose to render “sons of God” as “divine beings”. They, it must be admitted, do not have the authority of the New Testament to draw upon as they do not accept it as part of their inspired Scripture, or writings. The Christians on the other hand do have the New Testament and I believe I have demonstrated adequately from the quoting of New Testament verses the truth of the matter. It is a mistake to think that because we recognize the Jews as representative of all Israel, the people of YHWH, that they somehow have the truth in Scripture. They do not and it would be a mistake, a big mistake, to think so.

    Read the Old Testament and you will soon see there were only a few men and women that understood anything about the writings, outside of the civil codes of the first five book of Moses. The Scriptures they hold dear witness against them and their fathers before them. The Orthodox and Ultra Orthodox Jewish teachers teach that the Oral Torah is more complete than the Torah of the Holy Bible, and the the writings of the Prophets ended with the end of the Temple. Be advised, if you use anything they have to offer do so with caution. The Jewish scholars and Rabbis are so biased in their opinions and Jewish myth and fables that it is difficult reasoning with them.

    The Christians are not so restricted but are not perfect either but do not reject the Old Testament for other writings based on myth, myths like ,”divine beings” taking wives from among men. Christian scholars, at least, do not accept any writings over the Torah of Moses, and still accept Writings and the Prophets we knows as the Old Testament (Hebrew Scriptures) and on top of that the New Testament with the Words of our Savior — His battle of words with the religious leaders of that day, the Pharisee, the Scribes and the Sadducee, as He demonstrated they had lost their way in understanding. We have, in the New Covenant, the writings of the Apostles of YaHshua giving us an understanding that far exceeds that of the Jewish traditions. No, you cannot look to the Jewish Scholars for support, they are as much in the dark, maybe more so, than the general Christian population.

    To be fair and honest, not all Jewish teachers accept this false teaching of “divine beings” and human women, and as an example I would like for you to read the following “note”. I have added to this NOTE to this article and also in the Part 2 and 3 of this same subject, just as reminders — the Jewish scholars are as divided on some things as are the Chrisitians. Of paticular notice is the comment of how it is the “moderns” that are so quick to accept this and other false doctrines — the “moderns”, in Christianity too.

    NOTE: The Jewish Study Bible, by Adele Berlin and Marc Zvi Brettler, Translated, “sons of God” as “divine beings” in Genesis 6:1-4 and this is taking liberties with the text. Also, this same Jewish Version, in its sidebar commentary, say, “…it also explains the origin of the Nephilim…”. These Jewish scholars obviously favor the idea that “divine beings married human women and had giant children by them. For one thing, as pointed out in other places, this would be impossible, as these beings would no longer be divine if they did such a thing, or were capable of such and act.

    But, to be fair, there are better works than this, and more in tune with the truth. If you can get your hands on a copy of, Pentateuch & Faftorahs, Heverw Text English Translation & Commentary you will find it to be and excellent work. In this version of the TORAH, edited by Dr. J H Hertz, you will find a much more reasonable handling of this man made myth: After stating this to be a heathen myth that certain Jewish scholars fell into the following is recorded in the “commentary” — “Philo, Josephus and the author of the Book ob Jubilees were misled into this interpretation by the analogy of these heathen fables. There is, however, no trace in Genesis of ‘fallen angels’ or rebellious angels; and the idea of inter-marriage of angels and human beings is altogether foreign to Hebrew thought. The mythological explanation of this passage was in all ages repelled by a large body of Jewish and non-Jewish commentators, though it has been revived by many moderns.” Notice, it is now being revived by the “moderns”.

    Giants In Those Days

    To finish up I am going to go through the first few verses of Genesis 6 verse by verse and make real sense of it. You will see that it says what it says, and once you understand that the use of the term, “sons of God” can only mean other human individuals with a title as “sons of God” then the rest falls right into place.

    (Genesis 6:1) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    (Genesis 6:2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    True “angels of God” would not attempt to take flesh and blood women as wives. Demons might, if that were possible, but we see from scripture that is not possible. Each flesh, among animals of Earth has been created to reproduce itself, not something else. This concept of creation is carried out throughout the Universe. Angels and devils are spirit beings and not flesh and cannot become flesh, in appearance maybe but not as flesh and cannot therefore mingle seed with flesh. Well, let’s read it right from your own Bible –

    (1Co 15:38-40) But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.

    (Genesis 6:3) And the LORD (YHWH) said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    “Strive” can also mean “live”. We are told that in the end-days our Father is going to pour out His Spirit upon all mankind. If we accept what the Messiah said about the end-days becoming as the days were in Noah’s time then this verse may mean something. The Spirit of the Creator was with men but, as we see, they did not respond to this gift and guidance and became ever more violent, eventually the Spirit withdrew and human kind were exterminated, all save Noah and His family.

    (Genesis 6:4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    Nowhere does this verse it say “giants” were the product of a union between the “sons of God” and daughters of men. “There were giants in the earth in those days.” What days? “Those days”, the days these events were happening there were giants present — not one word about these giants being progeny of such an illicit union.

    Another thing to notice, it does not necessarily mean “giant men”, perhaps giant animals roaming the earth. This, of course, does not fit in with the false science of evolution.

    Next, in an attempt at covering all the bases it is explained, the “children” of these unions became “Mighty men”, “men of renown”, in positions of power – giants upon the earth. These offspring became famous, in other words, these men of “renown” were operating during a time when there were giants of some sort present — “in those days”, or they were the giants themselves. The teachers of this type of angel worship are divided on this issue of “giants” being physical monsters or merely giants in fame.

    It takes a twisted mind to make these “giants” out as offspring due to the union of fallen angels and fleshly women. Twisted minds twist scripture and to what purpose? This elevates the fallen, devil and his fallen angels to a status unavailable to them.

    This false teaching downgrades the accomplishment of our Savior and of the plan of Salvation put in motion by our Heavenly Father. You only have to consult the myths of the ancients to find the idea of gods having sex with flesh and blood women giving birth to bastard half-breeds, half god, half man.

    Men enjoy calling themselves “sons of god” or even “children of God”, except for when it comes to Genesis 6, then these false teachers say they are angels — absurd.

    Overkill?

    If you have a better take on this let me know. I will stand corrected and admit it if you can twist this verse in Genesis 6 to mean anything other than what I have presented here. Some pretty big names in Christendom will stand before you and tell you, “Angels left Heaven and took wives and had giant children by them”. They are seriously out of their minds, physically as will as spiritually. Am I judging them? Not by my words, but by the Words of my Heavenly Father, by the Words of the Bible — not my judgments but His. Too many want to put words in His mouth and are not afraid to do so.

    There are Jewish commentaries that make the same assertion concerning fallen angels — they should be ashamed of themselves for what they have done to the word of God. Never try to make the Word of God say anything other than what it says — this is called keeping it in “context”. I have some pointers on studying the Bible, nothing hard, just some simple suggestions —

    What About Jude?

    But, you ask, didn’t the fallen angels leave their first estate? Jude 1:6 says they did, doesn’t it? Well, yes, and no. The teachers of this view love to quote this verse attempting to prove the fallen angels, demons, devils had left themselves (their spirit bodies). Let’s take a quick look and I’m sure you will see the same kind of faulty reasoning as with the false giants teaching, telling us these were children of these angels, you know, the angels that “kept not their first estate”. Let’s read:

    (Jude 1:6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

    Okay, where does it say, the angels left their spirit bodies to cohabit with flesh and blood women? Right, it doesn’t, it says these angels “kept not their first (get that – first) estate” — they departed from their first habitation, or place assigned to them. What this is saying is they left a place they were living, a place given them and for some reason, probably having to do with Satan’s rebellion, they abandoned their appointed place, their habitation and assaulted their Creator’s domain.

    We live on a beautiful planet all of our needs taken care of, but we dream of building space ships to blast off into places we have no business being. We are instructed to care for the World and to be fruitful, but what do we, humans, dream of? We dream of the day we can travel the universe and for what?

    It is pretty simple if you believe the words and quite trying to twist the plain truth into something mysterious, even weird, but this does seem to excite the ears of some. These rebel angels are to suffer a bitter end bound in chains of darkness. Who can know how beautiful their “first estate” had been, their original habitation, their estate?

    Dreamers of the flesh, like the rebel angels, carry their banner of deceit and falsehood pulling along as many as possible toward the fires of destruction, headed for complete annihilation. Read the whole of what is written in Jude and believe it, do not try to build myths out of something so simple to understand. Stop being confused on this. (Gal 5:10, 1 Cor 14:33).

    Jude is all about the judgment of those “dreamers” making up stories like the writers of fiction and they do this for gain. A greedy bunch more interested in deception, working for a dollar and giving themselves over to a future punishment not unlike that suffered by those of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Titus 1:11, Mt 23:25, 2 Pet 2:3,14)

    (2Pe 2:3) In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

    They commit the sin of Balaam, working for money, as greed drives them, which is described as a form if idolatry. Balaam was a priest, and a priest of YHWH no less. He had the ear of YHWH, spoke with Him, communicated with Him, but still his heart was set on personal gain, not lowerly service (Numbers 22). These men, like Balaam, are put in the same boat as the “fallen angels” and their judgment is sure.

    Keep in mind, the account given in Jude is about fallen men, by comparison, to fallen angels. So, if we are to jump to the wrong conclusion, that the fallen angels left themselves to cohabit with flesh and blood women, are we then, in the context of the whole of Jude, to assume these greedy men become spirit as the rebel angels became flesh? Absolutely not, there is no such suggestion, and I say this only to demonstrate the idiotic suggestion that spirit beings, fallen or other wise, do not marry, and do not cohabit with human women. Please, read all of Jude, it’s short, but think on it then reread it. It has a lot to say and much is missed when one jumps to the false conclusion concerning the fallen angels that Jude mentions as an example to emphasize the seriousness of our own destiny, and especially of those having made profit of God’s people.

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    • Hello Belen
      First of all my name is caliche and after going over your response to Genesis 6 and trying to get a
      general idea of your bible knowledge i find it hard to believe that wile you are well versed in the
      words of the bible you lack the vision to see and or acknowledge the mystery of the word is: you
      find it hard to believe or see the ability of angels to coexist with men and that is just what satan wants
      you to believe, but the truth is as i,am responding to you men and angels are walking side by side in the
      flesh, think when the angels came to Abraham and Lot they came in the flesh and at any given time
      could have lade down with Sarai or lot’s wife, remember when the angels came to abraham the very
      first thing he said to sarai his wife was and i (quote) Yahweh appeared to him at the yoke of mamre
      and abraham look up and there he saw three MEN ( NOT SPIRITS) but men standing near him, he
      said if i find favour with you do not pass your servant by, and he gos on to say, a little water shell be
      brought and let me fetch a little bread, then running to the cattle abraham took a fine and tender calf
      and gave it to the servant who prepare it. Now this doesn’t sound like a meal for spirits this is for men
      my point being it not so hard to believe that angels the fallen angels could shape schiff to look like
      human being to do what satan has instructed them to and what was that to some how tamper with the DNA of man because of the decree that God sent down look at. Gen 3:14-15 this decree is what set
      in motion some perversions and immortalitys that you wouyld never understand less God opens your
      eyes to the turth of Gen chapter 6

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  38. Angels Marry Women?

    Genesis 6

    Did angels really take wives from among human women? Some teach this saying Genesis 6 tell us this. This is Part 2 of a question I think Part 1 answers but let’s take another look at this teaching that has become a “doctrine” of belief.
    “…the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.”

    How is it that so many teachers today want you to believe that angels “married” women of the flesh and having done so they had children – giant children (the Nephilim) – and this is why the Creator God destroyed the surface of man’s first world? Those teaching this falsehood use the verse quoted above to do just that.

    From this slice of bible verse we can begin to see where such a false doctrine can get a start, but how is it those claiming to be versed in the Holy Bible teach such a twisted and perverted view of the this scripture? Of course, to a novice, or a casual reader this might appear to say just that, “sons of God took women for wives”. Why would perfectly made angels see women as “fair” (beautiful)? This is rather peculiar, to start with. The God of the Bible equates the “flesh” of men as “unclean” and even the righteousness we would do does not and cannot measure up being as “filthy rags” (Isa 64:6). If we are to accept the concept that these “sons of God” are “angels” then they too would have this view wouldn’t they?

    There is a separation between species and there is no getting around this. There is a “kind” of spirit, and flesh and heavenly bodies and they are all different and not able to become something different, at least on their own (John 3:6, 1 Cor 15:38-40). That aside let’s have a closer look at this false teachings that “angels” became flesh, or manifest themselves into human form and married women.

    Doctrine of Devils

    This, my friends is a doctrine of devils — there, I said it, and I mean it, there is no other answer for so many claiming to be biblical scholars to support, teach, this obviously false doctrine — yes, even a “novice” with the simplest of research can uncover this doctrine of devils. But, before I really get into this, let us go to the verse they, these false teachers, use as the quote to settle their argument — we’ll just kick the leg right out from under them, right off at the start. Believe me, it is easy to disprove what these deceived, blind, false teachers wish the body of the Messiah to believe. Find the book of Jude in the New Testament and read it carefully. We will be approaching this false teaching in reverse using the Word of the Living God to shine the light of truth onto this dark teaching of devils and men inspired by the spirit of Satan . And make no mistake, Satan is spirit and he has a spirit he can “impart” to others, knowingly or unknowingly a spiritual influence

    (Eph 2:2) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience:

    What they are Teaching

    The following verse is cited over and over as proving the New Testament supports their idea that angels married flesh and blood women. Let’s have a look.

    Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

    The false teachers try to tell you that the statement, “angels kept not their first estate”, is proof they departed the spirit world and took wives from among men. What nonsense, this type of reasoning can come only from the demons themselves. Reading the very next piece of this verse and it is made plain that it is not speaking of “demon angels” becoming flesh! Read it again, “but left their own habitation”, and what do you suppose that “habitation” to be – the spirit world? How is that possible? It isn’t — those of us that declare YaHshua as our Savior know this is not possible. For starters they are “spirit” and cannot become flesh, why would they want to? Becoming flesh would mean their end, as they would perish as all flesh must perish. Again, we see our Savior as having come from our Father in heaven – delivering to us our deliverer – in the flesh – He had to come by the woman. Dare anyone suggest demon spirits had this power? Some do try to suggest this blaspheme, but others see the problem of this approach and come up with another solution in an effort to keep this demon teaching.

    Think about it – Angels becoming flesh and blood (“leaving their first estate”?) in order to have sex with flesh and blood women. All the while the True Son of the Living God to be delivered by “woman” by the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit. It is by this our Savior was made above, better, more perfect than the Angels, in His suffering in the Flesh. To say that these Angels, the rebellious angels, had this power is from the tongue of Satan himself. (Matthew 22:30, Galatians 3:28, Hebrews 2:14, Hebrews 1:4, Hebrews 2:9). Certainly there is ample proof, such as the story of Lot, demonstrating that angels can appear in human form. To be more accurate, however, we should understand that the angels were created before flesh and blood humans and that these angels conversing and eating with Abraham appearing in the flesh are not flesh, but visible to the eye, or, in the case of Lot and his family, to their eyes. Angels can appear as we are, but they are not the same and have the ability to disappear. Recall the story of Balaak, he could not see the mighty angels with the sword blocking his path, but the animal he was riding could, and then later Balaak’s eyes were opened and he saw what he could not see only moments before — flesh and blood cannot do that. We appear in the flesh as they appear in spirit, it is not they, the angels looking like us, it is we, looking like them. Read Hebrews 1:3 and see how He, YaHshua, is the very image, in the flesh, of God the Father. The pattern the Creator (Hebrews 1:2) used in making flesh and blood man is the pattern of our Heavenly Father but the exact pattern as that of our Savior YaHshua. To attribute this creative power to angels is a great error. The rebellious angels did not have sex with flesh and blood, they are neither male nor female, as we humans understand it, and our Savior said as much, “… they are neither male nor female, they neither marry nor give in marriage”, they are spirit, not flesh. (Mark 12:25, Gal 3:28, Heb 1:7).

    The “estate” these angels abandoned had to have been a place — a place in the spirit world created for their dominion, a principality — for some reason (like Satan’s influence of rebellion) they left their “appointed place”, their dwelling place, their “estate”, their home. When we look at Jude 6 we see the answer in the one verse. “… kept not their first estate but left their own habitation”. In Strong’s we see estate as G746, chief, corner, principality or principle rule. Notice the next part, “…left their own habitation”, and in Strong’s the word for “habitation” is G3613 — residence, habitation, house. Coupled together, as it is here in this verse, we see these angels left their domain, or the place they were to live and function as part of their Creator’s duty in service to Him.

    When you leave your residence or your house, do you leave your body? Okay, maybe some do (joking) or say they do, but for most of us this is not the case and it is not the case with these fallen angels. Let’s use our imagination for a minute – “Angels,” they say, “left their spirit bodies and became sons of God marrying women.” Can you see the fault with this? Not only that, the angels of this rebellion recorded in Jude (brother of James, our Lord’s brother, Jude 1:1), appears to have happened sometime before mankind was created, and we read in the letter of Jude these angels left the home established for them, their habitation, and because of this they are held captive in a spiritual prison, in chains of darkness awaiting the judgment, not having sex with flesh and blood women.

    (Isa 14:12-15) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    This observation, that certain beings left their own place in an attempt to replace the Creator God, to even rise above Him. They ignored this attempting to use Jude as their authority in support of the teaching angels had sex with human women.

    And they Took Wives?

    They did not take “wives” as the false teachers would imagine as we are told in Matthew 22:30 and Galatians 3:28, they are neither male nor female and they do not marry, what could be plainer? Where do they, those teaching this heresy, get this demonic teaching? Dr Schofield of the Schofield Bible Notes, and the Schofield Bible is one of the earliest Christian teachers of this false idea, but the teaching itself is thousands of years old. As noted in Part 1 of this study the Jewish scholars have been teaching this for some time, and it is likely some of the Christian community has taken this teaching as their own. It is not hard to find pagan teachings on this same subject — “gods” coming down to live among men and to have sexual intercourse with flesh and blood women. The legendary Hercules is supposed to be the product of such an illicit union.

    NOTE: Here two separate Jewish authorities on this subject — The Jewish Study Bible, by Adele Berlin and Marc Zvi Brettler, Translated, “sons of God” as “divine beings” in Genesis 6:1-4 and this is taking liberties with the text. Also, this same Jewish Version, in its sidebar commentary, say, “…it also explains the origin of the Nephilim…”. These Jewish scholars obviously favor the idea that “divine beings married human women and had giant children by them. For one thing, as pointed out in other places, this would be impossible, as these beings would no longer be divine if they did such a thing, or were capable of such and act.

    But, to be fair, there are better works than this, and more in tune with the truth. If you can get your hands on a copy of, Pentateuch & Faftorahs, Heverw Text English Translation & Commentary you will find it to be and excellent work. In this version of the TORAH, edited by Dr. J H Hertz, you will find a much more reasonable handling of this man made myth: After stating this to be a heathen myth that certain Jewish scholars fell into the following is recorded in the “commentary” — “Philo, Josephus and the author of the Book ob Jubilees were misled into this interpretation by the analogy of these heathen fables. There is, however, no trace in Genesis of ‘fallen angels’ or rebellious angels; and the idea of inter-marriage of angels and human beings is altogether foreign to Hebrew thought. The mythological explanation of this passage was in all ages repelled by a large body of Jewish and non-Jewish commentators, though it has been revived by many moderns.” Notice, it is now being revived by the “moderns”.

    Spirits may be able to possess, but not to become flesh. Many teachers of this doctrine do understand this problem, but still seek to go around this problem by saying that the demon angels possessed the male gender of the human race, and then using their host to impregnate women. How ridiculous can you get? These teachers will tell Christians this made up tale, with a straight face, not a blush in sight — this ridiculous, stupid, pagan idea – an idea inspired by Satan. But the modern day teacher of teachers in this realm of truth mixed and remixed with fables and false theories is non other than Zecharia Sitchin. His books and the amount of combined material in support of alien angels from outer space genetically altering man from monkey to a thinking being is incredible. The amount of information is so staggering as to convince almost anyone that this must be the truth. But wait, is there anyone that can refute his claims and all the evidence he presents? Yes there is, and when you see it for yourself you begin to see that Sitchin is either really, really wrong, or a fake. Go to this link for more on why the theories in Sitchin books are interesting and even captivating, but wrong. Sitchin is wrong

    Freedom of Expression

    The “estate” the rebel angels abandoned was a ”habitat” — a place, a position – given to them to rule over, but apparently it was not considered good enough. Under the influence of Satan they sought to take the Kingdom by force. You see, angels were given the same freedom of thought that we enjoy. They are not robots going through eternity without choice, unthinking beings. No, they are as free as we are, and have a choice of loving or hating, of doing our heavenly Father’s will and performing His purpose or not. Satan and a few others of the spiritual world choose to do things their own way. Somehow, under self-imposed deception, they thought a thing so evil as to replace their Maker, the spirit being we know as Satan began as a mighty angel of light, but is now a fallen demon trapped in a darkness of denial and seen as a devouring dragon, as the Destroyer not the builder.

    I have an opinion, a guess, if you will, about what may have happened to inspire a full third of the created angels to go against their creator joining forces with Satan in an attempted over throw. It goes something like this: Satan saw how perfect he had been created and began to think himself equal with his Creator. When the full plan of our Heavenly Father was revealed Satan saw that he was not going to be the chief of creation, but that our Father had a plan to bring about created beings closer to Himself than any of the angels — He would create Himself in others by YaHshua, His Son. These beings would be called humans made of flesh and blood with the potential of becoming sons and daughters of the Sustainer of all life, closer than a created angel. YaHshua would be the first of many, He, YaHshua the “First Fruits” of this new creation of this new approach to the Father of all creating for Himself children. Satan’s rebellion would be to break away from being a servant, or a future servant to the children of the Living God and in this he found other angels in agreement. These rebellious angels were created for a purpose they did not want to fulfill –

    (Heb 1:13-14) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

    Spirit beings, as such, were created eternal, not made of flesh and blood, not made of physical matter as we know it. It is this world we, as humans, seek to join and it can be seen why we are tested in the flesh. The solution to “rebellion” is to eliminate it before it can become eternal. This is why we find statements in the Bible like –

    “…the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD(YHWH) of hosts” (Malachi 4:11).

    The future of rebellious flesh shall become ash, becoming as nothing when the Earth is purified by fire (2 Peter 3:7), only the righteous of the Living God will survive — those having accepted YaHshua as Savior. Still, no one is deserving of escaping this coming “purification” and this is why our Loving Father in Heaven has sent to us His Son. It is by His “righteousness” and His blood shed for us, covering those of us having willingly accepted YaHshua, the only way to eternal life, and it is by and through Him that we are able to survive this cleansing fire to come – by the power of His Creating Spirit, in YaHshua we will live.

    Certainly there is the “resurrection” of the Saints, but the Saints of YH, believers in the Messiah, YaHshua, are joined with Him as “first fruits”. The “fire to come” is the final word in the plan of salvation taking us into eternal life. This is why we see that it is a special blessing to those that are fortunate enough to be in the FIRST resurrection — for there is a second death.

    But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:5-6

    Notice the mentioning of a “second death” and the “first resurrection”. The second death means there is a first death and that is the death all “flesh” must experience – the flesh must die – putting on incorruption — there is no passing from flesh to spirit, nor spirit to flesh – only the Messiah has done such a thing and we know He is the First and those of us believing in Him, accepting Him, calling on Him, will be next. There is to be another “resurrection” after the thousand years, some to eternal life, some to eternal death and this will be the “second death”. This should be ample proof that the spirit beings of the “rebellion” were not coming to earth and taking wives making flesh and blood offspring. This is a lie accepted by some, and in this have unwittingly given the demons credit for a power they do not possess, they cannot procreate. If they could then what YaHshua and our Heavenly Father did means nothing, after all, even demons can produce — this is blaspheme and downgrades the plan or our Creator and makes a mockery of our Savior having come in the flesh.

    There has been a teaching attempting to answer obvious objections to this business of angels taking wives by saying the evil angels possess human men and there by have children by women. Nice try, but no cigar, as the twisting of turnings grinds its way through the imaginations of men attempting to satisfy some theory never mentioned in scripture. Remember, these individuals in Genesis 6 are called “sons of God”, not demons or rebel angels, not even ‘fallen ones”. From the context of Genesis 6 it is plain the “sons of God” became something less by their actions of taking wives from among men as opposed to taking wives from their own group — they began to marry outside of their own people — those recognized as “sons of god” among the people were marrying outside of their faith, simple as that. Even if angels were called “sons of God” (as a matter of creation) the rebell angels, those having followed Satan, would no longer be called “sons of God” — can you see that?

    The implication by those putting forward this teaching of total possession of men by evil spirits in order to enjoy sex with women is more than merely a spirit possessing a weakened human and causing trouble for that individual, it is an implied total possession of flesh and blood in order to produce children — half god half human — and the fallen angels did not want to have bastard kids so they made sure to take wives, to marry in a lawful way — preposterous, I say. Now why would spirits of any kind want to inhabit flesh and blood in this way, so they can legally marry? They know the written word as well as anyone and it is plain to them they are bound in “chains of darkness”, they are not at liberty to do such a thing, their possession abilities are limited and subject to obedience under the Name of YaHshua, as demonstrated in the New Testament over and over again. Demons have no possession power over the “sons and daughters of God”. Yes, we know of the many cases in the New Testament of demon possession, but notice the obvious — no demon marriages, no demon cross-breeds, none, only possessions of madness and sickness and mental derangement, no super humans babies. We are to become Spirit beings one day, that is our future, and it will not be angels becoming flesh.

    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:50

    We seek to become part to the spirit world, no one ever sought to join the world of the flesh, as did one unique individual, YaHshua and in suffering in the flesh, as we do, He was set above any and all angels being made more perfect in this — no angel has ever been flesh, or suffered the pain of being in the flesh. When we are complete and are raised as He was by the same power that raised Him, then we too will join with Him in that perfection and of being placed above the angels as literal sons of the Living God and Sustainer of all things. Understanding this you should be able to see the true sacrifice our Savior made in leaving the world of eternal life, becoming part of the corruptible world of the flesh — totally — and even then He knew He must die, really die — He had to exercise total faith in the Father to raise Him up and to keep Him from total corruption – HalleluYah. It is a lie to suggest any spirit being ever had this power, this ability to move from spirit to flesh, to have children of flesh, cross breeds of super humans. Imagine if you can, our Savior taking counsel with our Heavenly Father and willingly accepting this mission – a mission to become flesh, giving up His life of eternity for the lowly form of physical man. See how it had to be done, through a flesh and blood woman, by the action of physical birth into the flesh, God’s First Son would come. No rebel angel has ever done such a thing.

    The final word, however, comes from the Messiah:

    For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Matthew 22:30

    The key phrase here is, “… but as the angels of God in heaven.” What can you surmise from this? Angels do not marry and with this understanding we know the rebel angels of God – these created beings – were not taking wives. So, just who were the “sons of God” referred to in Genesis 6? First, they were not “angels” (can’t say that enough, Heb 1:5) and with this understood we know they must have been of another source, not angels, but other men of the flesh. We see throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament references made to any that are true believers. If Christians think of themselves as “children of God” what would that make them? Right — sons and daughters of the Living God. If we be sons then whom do you suppose the “sons” were of old? Yes – flesh and blood individuals that were followers of YHWH. Some have tried to teach that there was no one among men called “sons of God” before YaHshua came in the flesh. This is not true, for one Adam was a created man of flesh and blood and is call a “son of God”, next we find other verses where the term for “son” in Hebrew (bene) is also used for the term “children” (Deut 14:1, Hos 1:10) and in these examples we see the same word for “children” as that used for “sons” – bene. This means that argument is in error, the children of Israel were called the ‘bene of YHWH”. Certainly YHWH (LORD) is God and that being true then these children are the “sons of God”. Those in Genesis 6 became corrupted in their intermarriage with women of common man and these unions led to a falling away and we do not hear anymore of the “sons of God” after the Flood because they were wiped out.

    Alternate View, Adam, a Son of God

    There is another possibility, however, and I mention it here as only a possibility. The sons of God were actually sons of Adam. Adam is seen in ancient writings among the Canaanite population as being the father of all mankind and known among them as the god EL, a slothful god given to drink — sounds more like a human than a god, right? His, Adam’s, sons coming down from on high (Eden) and mixing among men (humans outside of Eden). It has occurred to me that while YHWH created Adam and Eve and placed them in the Garden of Eden, there may have been another creation of humanity apart from Adam and Eve outside the garden — Adam and Ever were originally created outside the Garden and then placed in it later. This may well have been the people Cain feared when he is driven from the protection of the Garden. It would explain a lot if this were the case and I see no biblical objection to this view at this time. I am not the first to make this observation but suggesting a creation prior to Genesis 2 is a real tail twister for some clinging to the “one creation” and only “one creation” concept. Keeping an open mind for a moment, we might possibly see where some of the ancient myths about the gods orginates — maybe more fact than fiction, but for now only speculation.

    Harper’s Bible Dictionary,252, gives a bit of history surrounding the God known as El, later as Elohim (Elohim is recognized as the plural form of the name EL, thus meaning more than one EL or Gods) –

    In Ugaritic Literature: “…reveals much of what we know about the Canaanite god EL. EL is the king, regarded as ruler among the gods… “To judge from his epithets, El is a creator. At Ugarit he was called the ‘Builder of Things Built,’ and elsewhere he held the title “Creator of the Earth.” El has other epithets in the Ugaritic literature. He is called the “Father of Years,” a title that recalls his epithet “Eternal” on a Sinaitic inscription. El is an aged god. Ugaritic texts refer to his gray beard and speak of his wisdom. El is called “Compassionate,” “The Bull,” “Beneficent,” and the “Father of Humankind.” El lives at the source of two rivers amid the fountains of the (world-encompassing) Deep (cf. Gen 1:1) This is a localization that lies beyond the boundaries of terrestrial space.”

    “…In a short text, EL is portrayed drinking himself into a stupor and wallowing in his own excrement and urine.”

    “…Philo of Byblos (ca. A>D> 64-141), a Greek historian who collected Phoenician lore, identified EL with Kronos, told of EL’s marriage to Astarte, Rhea, and Dione, and reported that Zeus (Baal) ruled the earth with the permission of EL. Here there is no hint of declining EL or of conflict between EL and Baal.

    At Ugarit, El’s consort with Asherah, a goddess whom the Bible links with Baal …”

    It is my contention that the god EL mentioned in the Ugartic and Canaanite text and later being associated with, even called, the Greek god Zeus. These early gods were seen as gods with human frailties, more human than god and in my opinion were actually Adam, Eve and their sons and daughter – becoming the stuff legends are made of. It is my opinion that the general population of that pre-flood looked on the family of Adam as gods – “sons of god”. EL being Adam, and his children the Elohim or gods. From this group of humans driven from the Garden of Eden and into the world of other men, other flesh and blood beings from the very first creation. If you look closely at Genesis 1-2you will see what appears as a dual creation of men. In the first, man is created in the image of the Creators (“… let us create man in our image…”Gen 1:26). After this point of creation we enter Genesis chapter 2 where we see YHWH identified and creating a special garden, and then creating a man (Adam) and placing him in this specially prepared garden. Two creations of flesh and blood man and woman. When Adam and Eve failed and were driven from the Garden their children had a natural fear of the people from before, from the low lands and this led to Cain’s plea for protection from these people when he was cursed by YHWH for having killed his brother.

    Cain, Kain, Kane

    Cain feared those outside of the area where he and his family lived and YHWH marked him in some way that led mankind, outside of this area where Adam and his family lived, to believe him to be a god. Yes, I am speculating, but feel this speculation in no way contradicts Scripture and does help to fill in missing links concerning the development of man and religion, pre-flood, and giving rise to the “mythological” tales that seem to appear in all previous records with the names changing but the tales very similar and very human. The people first created in the beginning were part of the overall creation, but Adam and Eve were created personally by YHWH Himself, not as a cooperate effort as before. Humans outside of the region of the Garden would have seen anyone from that region as gods, or as the children of God – the ‘sons of God’.

    With Cain’s departure and with this special marking the people created after the human kind, would then have feared him making him the first god king – a god coming down among men. This marking by the Creator would not only save Cain’s life but give him power over the population of mankind and would be the reason he so easily convinces the peoples he once feared into great building projects. Cain was able to inspire these strangers to help him build the first cities. Why else would a population that Cain feared would kill him seem to so easily come under his command and direction?

    (Genesis 4:16-17) And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD (YHWH), and dwelt (lived) in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

    Cain was given a special mark, a mark that set him apart and put fear into the hearts of those living in the land of Nod. Where was this land of Nod? Outside of the garden of Eden, on the east side, we are told. Staying with the context of these verses we see that Cain first leaves the presence of YHWH and goes to live in the land of Nod, then we see he has a wife, not before, and then she has children with him. As a “son of God” he takes a wife from among men and has children.

    He builds a city and names it after one of his children. This would suggest a work force and a population of considerable size, not some tribal unit of a few people in tents, nomads wandering about, and again demonstrates his rebellion against YHWH.

    We see this system of god kings and building projects the world over, the Egyptian civilization being the most familiar, the modeled Babylonian Empire and before them all, the Sumerians — all originating in the Middle East, not Africa.

    This is conjecture, of course, but I believe it to be much more believable than the idea of angels taking wives. Speculation is just that speculation and might make great movies or books, but it is still speculation. The idea that angels took wives, meaning they began to marry human women has turned from speculation to doctrine and is allowed to influence other teaching letting doctrines of devils into the Christian religious beliefs. My personal belief (speculation aside), however, is that when the son’s of Adam began to call on YHWH’s Name (Gen 4:26). A sure sign of acceptance, that they were the men called “sons of God”, just as we are called the “Children of god” today because of our acceptance of YaHshua as our Savior. Some attribute this to Seth but look closely, it is from the time Seth’s son, Enos, is born we read of this return to YHWH, “… men began to call upon the name of YHWH.” Nothing about Seth or Enos engaging in this, only that “men” began, in what appears as a return of worship, to call on YHWH, by Name. This marks the timing when this began to happen, true converts returning to their Creator, these “sons of god” eventually falling in their own wisdom, to the lust of the flesh and began to marry (take wives) from among the pagans and in this, like the great King Solomon, were led into false worship and the abandonment of the worship of YHWH. Solomon, of course, came after the great Flood but is a good example of what happened. Solomon did like they had done, backsliding to the whims of his pagan wives (1 Kings 11). Read about it, read all about it and you will see how the King, hailed as the wisest man ever, falls in his later years, turning Israel into one of its most religious periods of all time. The only problem, YHWH is forgotten, Solomon yields to the pleasures of his pagan wives and the result is a very religious nation worshiping all the wrong gods, worshiping the Elohim (gods) of men and man.

    More False Teachings by Learned Men

    I have a book in my possession, written by, Dr Henry Morris, God and the Nations, in which he makes a case for the “sons of god” being “demons”. I did not gain permission to quote directly from the book, so, I will use my own words to tell you what he presents. This is not a teaching exclusive to him for many of the Evangelical community accept this teaching too. So, what Dr Morris puts forward is not his own idea but the idea – imagination – of many others before him. The great Dr Schofield of the Schofield Reference Bible being one example having written on this long before Dr Morris wrote on the subject. The premise is the same as Dr Morris and Dr Schofield find common ground. Also, adding to this wrong turn in thinking and adding to the confusion is the writings of Zecharia Sitchin and his many books on how the world began.

    Dr Morris states (page 33) that the “sons of god” were angels and that these angels were demons. He says these demons possessed women and that the babies they produced, through human fathers, were then demon possessed. This union of demons with women had some kind of nutritional response that led to them having children that became giants. Let’s not forget, this is coming from a man highly respected in the Creation Sciences. He has written several marvelous books on creation and proves his intelligence over and over again. This is the problem, lesser people, like me, would naturally think Dr Morris has it figured out and it took some time and research for me to discover one of my favorite people was deceived on this subject.

    It is not my objective to discredit Dr Morris, he is a recognized scholar in the on going debate concerning creation/evolution, and has written a ton of material disproving the “theory of evolution”. Here, however, the doctrinal studies concerning the subject of angels is outside of his expertise. We see Dr Morris stepping outside of his zone of knowledge for some strange reason in support of this false teaching. If a mind such as Dr Morris can buy into this kind of theology then we should all take warning and pray, as followers of YaHshua, that we do not fall for such false doctrines of demons and of other fables.

    If Dr Morris had only said this was speculation and was merely putting this out as a consideration for discussion then that would be different, but that is not the case. He scoffs at the scholars that have a different conclusion. Much of Dr Martin’s argument and conclusions concerning the “sons of God” in Genesis 6 contrary to the Scriptures, even denying what our Savior said concerning Spiritual beings not marrying nor giving in marriage (Mark 12:25). His reasoning goes something like this: Saying angels do not marry in heaven does not mean they don’t after being cast out of heaven (The Genesis Record, pages 166-167).

    Next Dr Martin sides with the teaching that from this union of angels and human women came the “giants”, or the Nephilim going so far as to call them “half-angel, half-men”. It is relatively easy to dispel the idea that the “giants” (Nephilim) were the children of a woman-demon union. The scripture is plain and needs no interpretation, it states the there were “giants” on the earth at the time these “sons of gods” were taking wives – it is a time marker, when giants (Nephilim) were on earth — dragons, or dinosaurs, maybe (just a thought)? Dr Morris, of all people, should be aware of this possibility as a professional geologist. Having had access to tons of evidence opposing evolution, you would suppose he would have seen this as an alternative, but no, he takes the Scripture completely out of context to say these “giants” of that day were the offspring of demonic marriage unions with flesh and blood women.

    There is evidence giants were roaming this earth and some of them were humans, men of stature, heroes, men of renown, great kings and such, but never is it suggested these were the progeny of a union between women and demons — this is a false doctrine of devils and demons. Ask yourself the question, “Would angels of Heaven, cast to the earth, rebelling by taking wives, still be called “sons of god”? Of course not, not then and not today.

    Another problem, discussed before, is that of demons taking wives. The messiah indicates this cannot be, that when we receive our new bodies we will be “like the angels of heaven, neither marrying nor giving in marriage” (Mat 22:30). Dr Morris’ way around this is to tell us that the word used for “wife” can also mean “woman”. He tells us that the demons did not take wives but took women, and this by possession. He jumps so far off the path of what scripture is telling us it is hard for me to take anything he has to say about any subject, seriously and makes me question all of his conclusions on every subject. How can such a wonderful mind become so flawed? We should take this very seriously and as a warning to keep our minds open to our Father’s ability to keep our minds protected. For your own protection continue to pray, making a request for the blessing of our Heavenly Father’s Wisdom, not of the world’s view but of His. When men with greater minds than ours can fail and fall into this kind of flaw thinking we need to sit up and take notice and take the appropriate action that our minds are not compromised.

    Big Deal, Who Cares?

    Why is any of this important? So what if it is angels or men? Christ is all that counts, right? Well, yes, of course but if you can be led off in some other direction you just might be led off into worshipping “another Christ”, calling on another god and not the true God. Identifying these false doctrines helps to keep you sharp and not only that, we are warned of such things and it is a warning my friends, given over two thousand years ago to the followers of the Christ YaHshua..

    Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1 Timothy 4:1-2

    Is this the explanation for Dr Morris, or Dr Schofield’s position? Doctrines of devils? Seducing spirits? It is a warning and a sign for the believers of the “…latter times…”. When reading the scriptures we are informed that there is such a thing as false teachings and doctrines of demons, that there are “seducing spirits” (not sexual, please) and we need to be aware of this. A warning such as this should prove to us how we must maintain our vigilance, centering our understanding around the Word of Truth. The deception by seducing spirits and demon doctrines is not laid entirely on the scholars, scholars that should know better, but also laid at the feet of lay-members. You have a personal responsibility in working out your own salvation and in the study of the Word (Php 2:12, 2 Tim 2:15).

    (2Timothy 4:3-4) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables (Myths).

    Are your ears turned from the truth? Does your ears itch to hear the next titillating thing? Does getting excited over fables and myths cause you to read more about the amazing possibilities than centering on the written Word of our Father and the plain statements of our Savior, YaHshua? Myths and fables, doctrines of devils and demons, false teachers, wolves in sheep’s clothing, and people of flesh and blood actually being inspired by Satan and his aides. This is all in your Bible as warnings against such things and to ignore what we are told, in advance, is to be foolish.

    Do not be a follower of any man for we have but one head, and that is the Messiah, YaHshua and over Him our heavenly Father (1 Cor 11:3). Our Savior, and the message of salvation did not come from made up myths, made up stories and carries with it eye witness accounts of events proving YaHshua as Savior. Beware of those that use fictional writing in an effort to convince you of their doctrine giving demon angels credit for things they are not capable of. It is one thing to speculate within the frame work of the Bible – never denying its truth and authority over any theory or any speculation – turning such speculations into doctrine as though it is the truth is another matter.

    “For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord YaHshua the Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.” KJV 2 Peter 1:16

    “Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. I n their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.” 2 Peter 2:2-3 NIV (writing fiction, Left Behind books come to mind as just one example?)

    Even back in the days of the Apostle Paul and Peter there were warnings going out to the Church. We have had over two thousand years of the wolves at work, Satan, and seducing spirits working their deceptions. There has always been a body of true worshipers not overcome by fables, fiction writing, or doctrines of demons. Today we seem to be inundated with fictional (fable) writings with the excuse of reaching the larger secular public – as if the written Word of the Living God is not enough!

    And through covetousness shall they with feigned words (made up) make merchandise (use) of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not (does not sleep).

    For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; KJV 2 Peter 2:3-6

    “Through covetousness” is to say, “through greed”, a type of idolatry. “Feigned words”, is the same as “words made up”, like the fictional writings of the imagination. Making up things to steal disciples to themselves, making “merchandise” of those buying into their stories, they made up myths. This is going on today just as it was during the time the Apostles of YaHshua were teaching the Christ.

    Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Acts 20:30

    Sure, they tell you they do this to win converts to Jesus,the false and bogus name of modern Christianity, and I am inclined to believe them and their sincerity, but my Savior, Yahshua, in His written words and that of His Apostles tells me they are wrong – they have the wrong Messiah and are teaching a different Messiah as they mix manmade myth and fictional stories with Scripture. They preach JESUS and of course we know that this is not the name of our Savior, YaHshua, so they are off on the wrong foot from the start.

    That aside we can see the key words is “…of your own-selves”, and “…speaking perverse things”. They do just that, and it is easily seen in their fictional books and writings. This attitude, this excuse for using worldly wisdom as opposed to biblical direction is also reaching over into the Christian music. Acting like “perverse” un-believers with the excuse of trying to reach the world. The music of modern Christianity has the sound of the music of the world and at times is just as perverse, especially among the young. Seeking disciples the Worlds way — conforming to the world, they say, to reach the world by copying what the World is doing. And this as an excuse for gaining converts? They search the world over, using modern technology, to gain converts to the other Christ, the other Messiah, making converts of the world, not to YaHshua but to a false Christ they call Jesus.

    2Pe 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord YaHshua the Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

    2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. (Their judgment is sure, it is coming)

    2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement; (If angels cannot escape judgement how can we expect to escape?)

    Read again in a modern translation:

    “Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping”. NIV (2Pe 2:12-4)

    “We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord YaHshua the Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty”. NIV (2Pe 1:16)(Name restored)

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  39. Sons of God Marry the Daughters of Men?

    This is a subject I think I have covered with enough simple logic and scripture to combat the false notion that spirit angels married flesh and blood women. However, an article came out in a prominent Evangelical magazine that is fully entrenched in the Evangelical movement. They teach the doctrine of the Rapture and Imminent return, now, it seems, they also support the teaching that the “sons of god” in Genesis 6 really means, “angels of god”. This seems hard to believe when you see the truth they do present and the quality of their magazine, Midnight Call. I will be taking issue with their teaching about angels of God marrying flesh and blood women.

    After reading their published article I was inspired to write another article of my own on this same subject again. This time I thought I would like to take a different approach – I will not get into all of the in and outs of every view but instead refer you back to my two previous articles (Go To: Angels Marry Women? Part 1 / Angels Marry Women? Part 2)

    where you will find more detail in the debate exposing this false doctrine.

    In this article I will rehash some things and attempt to make sense of the flawed thinking of others so well versed in the Scriptures themselves. In my previous articles on this subject I was a bit harsh, claiming the false doctrine is a doctrine of devils. I make no apology for this after all, what else could explain it? After all, I am using Scripture to make this judgement.

    (1Ti 4:1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    Fire Storm of Error

    The four main verses in the center of this fire storm is found in Genesis 6:1-4. When you look at these few verses from Genesis they are clearly being twisted to say something they do not say. It is my hope and prayer you will come to see this as clearly as I do. Now, let’s take a look at these verses and see what they are really saying and how they have to be twisted or added to in order to make a case for the false doctrine circulating throughout the Evangelical movement teaching that angels came to earth, without permission, of course, saw how beautiful women of the flesh were and decided to take some wives for themselves and in this corrupted union came giant babies that grew into giant known as the Nephilim. And, if you read the book of Enoch that has been circulating around, and that some use to prove this error you will read that these giants, these Nephilim, grew to over 40 feet tall (some say 200 feet) and began to eat everything in sight eventually turning on the little people and eating them. Be careful when you quote Enoch, someone might actually get a copy of this fictional book and read it. This, however, is the view of many in this twisted tale of angels marrying women and having giant children. From here, with this idiotic teaching in the background, let us proceed to the four verses in question and see if we can sort this out.

    GENESIS 6:1-4 – What Does It Really Say?

    Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    My Comment: Let’s see, no mention of women? Men began to “multiply” and produced daughters. No mention of sons? Is that important? Not really as it is assumed an intelligent mind will understand you cannot have “daughters” without the fathers having a wife, or at least a girlfriend, so we know there must have been women giving birth to “daughters”. This is a prime example of simple logic where every little detail is not supplied to convey a message under the assumption the read possess some common sense – in this case — men do no have babies without women and if men are multiplying then so too are women.

    I don’t think Evolutionist, even in all of their absurdities try to tell anyone that daughters appear without mothers, right? Or men appeared out of nothing — or do they? Oh, yeah, some do, it seems, suggesting “spontaneous” appearances of species — creation — strike that last word, they would never use it, better stay with “spontaneous appearance” – no, really, that is a theory floating for some years now. The benefit to this new/old theory is it eliminates the need for the missing links. Anyway, back to the point — “men” is likened to “mankind”, human beings, including women, but it is of note that these men are not identified as anything special – men in general.

    The point here, with this leading verse — girls were coming forth from men of no particular quality and this by and through their women friends or wives. This is leading us to the next verse, which takes us to the point of the subject — another type of man, or men called the “sons of God” began to focus on the daughters of these other men.

    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    My Comment: These “sons of God”, apparently exercised some kind of dominion over the other men mentioned in verse one. We are not given details but it is mentioned they took these “daughters” of these other men and made them “wives”. This would indicate they did not take by force otherwise the concept of marriage would not have entered into the account. A King, for example, wants to take a wife from among the common subjects so a deal is struck, the father is paid a handsome sum, given a title, and some land, usually, and the King takes a wife. If the King, on the other hand, taken women by force they are not usually married, and that is not how you take a wife. In this verse a “lust” is demonstrated by a class of men known as the “sons of God”, more accurately, the “sons of gods”. This would indicate a group of men recognized by the “other men” as separate from them and there appears to be no objection from either side concerning these unions.

    Here we see the “sons of God” taking a fancy toward the “daughters” of the other men. It does not appear the fathers of the girls object to this as not objection is recorded. Wouldn’t you think that if alien beings, angels or any other creature from outer space, invading earth and taking your daughters as wives there would be some kind of objection, some kind of struggle, some kind of outrage?

    There is all sorts of things wrong with this view of “angels marrying” humans and most is covered in my first two articles, Angels Marrying Women. What we do see is two types of men – men and sons – this would indicate both are males capable of having children. Let us not forget, our Savior told us, in His own voice, that angels do not marry, not only that, He went on to say they do not give in marriage either.

    (Mar 12:25) For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

    (Gal 3:28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Granted, this last verse is not a specific declaration that there will be no males or females, but when you consider the purpose of being male and female in the procreation of species one could say this is no longer necessary, once we enter the spirit realm in our new spirit bodies. There is to be no racial nor sexual differences once we become like the Messiah. What the teachers of the “angels marrying human women” are suggesting is that angels, once having come to earth sprouted male genitals. Others, realizing the error in this, instead of adjusting to the truth, tell us these alien angels toke of “wives” by the act of possession. One group says the angels possessed the women while others say they possess the husbands and by proxy gave birth to alien beings that became the Nephilim.

    If you continue down this false road and insist these angels came to earth, sprouted genitals and actually had physical sex with human women you would then have to assume they produce sperm and with all of this similarity to human men there must then be female angels too. Oops, no mention of female angels anywhere in the Scriptures, only on the minds of men. I think we should stand on what our Savior had to say about the angels, “…neither marry, nor are given in marriage…”

    The concept that a term like “sons of God” is not applicable to humans, and applies only to angels, is ridiculous but this is what the false teaching is saying. This, however, is contradicted by the New Testament writings which abound with references to the “children of God” and if “children” then certainly “sons” and “daughters”, wouldn’t you think?

    (John 11:51) And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that YaHshua should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. (Children of God, in reference to Israel)

    (Rom 8:16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (1 John 5:2, 1 John 3:10, Gal 3:26, Rom 9:26, 2 Cor 6:18)

    (Rom 9:8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    (2Co 6:18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    (Hosea 1:10) Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

    That last verse is from the Old testament, of course, and demonstrates the same principle. People, even the people of Israel were and have been and are going to be called “Sons of God”. This is not a title reserved for angels, in fact, this is not a title for angels at all.

    (Heb 1:5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

    Tell me you see it, please – what is it that’s makes a “child of God”? It would be the acceptance of the Gospel Message about YaHshua as Savior and the acceptance of YaHshua as your Savior. Children of the flesh are those of this world, doing their own thing, so to speak, some very religious, practicing and following the traditions of men, some actively pursuing the worship demons and, of course, those in denial of any god at all — these areto be outside of those “…counted for the seed”. It is the children of the PROMISE that are COUNTED for the SEED. Can you see this? There is a difference between the two groups (of men) but all are of the same flesh and blood, at least for now.

    So, continuing with this thought and taking it back to the world that was, before the Great Flood, can we now see the “sons of God” counted as the seed just as believers are today? There were some, like us today, that heard and believed the Gospel Message concerning our Lord as it was preached to them by Enoch. Believe it or not the world of then received and ultimately turned away from the plan of “salvation”. Reading Jude 14-16 we see Enoch, seventh from Adam, preaching of the coming of the Lord, the Gospel message. This is the same New Testament letter the false and deceived teachers use but fail to notice this part –

    (Jude 1:14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    It would only be natural to assume, then, that believers of Enoch’s preaching would be “sons of god”, separating them from other men, just as it is today. Certainly there is the other view, that the “sons of God” were the sons of Adam marrying the sons of Cain, and a couple of other ideas which I have elaborated on in Part 1 and Part 2. Since the New Testament and the presentation of our Savior to the world the Mystery is revealed — Christians of faith are the “sons and daughters of God”. Again we see the Bible is of no private interpretation, interpreting itself.

    We need to let the writings of from the Old and New Testament tell us what they mean as these are the words delivered to the Prophets and the Apostles as they were either shown or moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21).

    The following verses tell us, plainly, that believers can be and are called “sons and daughters of God”. Leaving the interpretation of men behind let the Scripture interpret the scripture.

    (2Co 6:17-18) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    (Heb 1:5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

    Can it get any plainer?

    If we are “children of God” wouldn’t this mean I can call myself a “son of God”? We know our Savior came in the flesh and is called the Son of God, and we know YaHshua called Him Father and he, the Christ, instructed us to also call on the One he revealed as his Father, our Father. This is undeniable and as believers this is what we confess –

    (1Jn 4:15) Whosoever shall confess that YaHshua is the Son of God, God lives in him, and he in God. (NRKJV—Name Restored King James Version))

    Our Savior also instructs us to call on our Father in Heaven when we pray –

    (Luke 11:2) He said to them, “When you pray, say: ” ‘Father, hallowed (HOLY) be your name, your kingdom come…”.

    In Hebrew 2:10-11 we are told our Savior is not ashamed to call us “brothers” and that we are considered “brethren” and called “sons” being brought to “glory”..

    (Heb 2:10-12) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth (make Holy) and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brethren (brothers), Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

    Listen, the truth is the “sons of God” were in the world before were those that began to call on the Name of God. The people in Adam’s time heard the gospel Message, they knew the of the coming plan of salvation, but they began to break ranks and marry outside of their beliefs, outside of the truth delivered to them by Enoch (Jude 1:14).

    Gen 6:3 And the LORD (YHWH) said, My spirit shall not always strive (Live with or struggle with) with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    My Comment: In the Earth before, that is, before the flood, the Creator’s Spirit was with men. In the Hebrew dictionary the Word “strive” has several meanings, rule, judge, minister, and plead – indicating a presence – this should be a concept the Christian, of all people, should understand. He withdrew His Spirit as it was a constant struggle leading to the ultimate rejection. Man lived longer than we do today because His Holy Spirit was present as a force for life, this, of course is my opinion but in this view we see the reason for the long ages and then the shortening of the age of men. We see a point in the first Earth history where YAHWEH withdraws his Spirit and then limits the years of man, recognizing man as only flesh. Apparently the long years made the people of then seem to think they were immortal. Even today men act and talk as if they are immortal, speaking of themselves in terms of immortality refusing to acknowledge there degenerate condition. It is like all of humanity being in denial. Just think how much stronger this delusion of immortality would be for those living to such extreme ages — would not some begin to think they were as gods?

    Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    My Comment: Here is the verse that gets so twisted you have to think it is on purpose, or, is influenced by doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1, look it up). “There were giants…” when? “ … In those days” and that is what it means, not that these giants were the product of the “sons of god” marrying daughters of men! It is a time set, a marking of when this began to happen, of when those called the “sons of God” began to marry outside of their faith or outside of their birthright as leaders with a religious responsibility. Once these devout men began to break ranks and marry women not of their belief it would only be a matter of time when these wives would bring their false gods to the table. Men, for the most part, want to please their women – men want a peaceful house and some women, from the beginning have taken advantage of this. We have a mighty example of this from the very beginning in Adam to King Solomon.

    King Solomon, a “Mighty Man of renown”

    King Solomon, a very wise, and blessed man. If the King had one weakness it was women, women outside of his own race and faith — he liked alien women, so we have a good example of a “son of God” (Israel is called the children of God, and the Kings were recognized the chosen of God. Other Kingdoms even called their Kings, sons of the gods). A King of Israel, looking on foreign women with a lustful eye and taking from them wives, as many as he chose. Does this sound familiar?

    There were seven hundred royal bloods and three hundred concubine, a thousand wives – these were daughters of other men, from other nations (1 Kings 11:1-6. So, what happened to King Solomon, once a “son of God”, King of Israel, ruler over the “children of God”? These wives of other men, from other nations, brought with them their false gods and hounding King Solomon for equal rights in worship turned all of Israel into a very religious nation.

    We are told as Solomon aged these foreign women turned the mind of the King to other gods. That’s right, these daughters of common men (non-Israelite introduced the “children of God” to a variety of deities, customs and traditions “Authorized by the King”. They filled the Temple with pagan idols and decorated the forest and high places with phallic symbols of Bel/Baal and Asheroth and Ishtar and many other gods. The people had become very religious as they prayed on every hilltop, sacrificed on every altar, went to church often as they honored every god, that is until King Josiah came along, many years after the death of Solomon.

    (2Ki 23:4) And the king (Josiah) commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD (YHWH) all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.

    Eventually statues of wood and stone (idols) representing these false gods of all the “host of heaven” that had been set up in the Temple were removed by a new King, a young King. Under King Solomon’s rule Israel had become so religious they had nearly forgotten who YHWH was in favor of all the other gods, not only Baal, but of all the host – they were worshiping everything. The worship of the God of Israel became buried in the religious enthusiasm for other religions introduced by the “daughters of men”.

    Read about the rediscovery of YHWH and how religious the people were for other false gods and how YHWH was rediscovered if for only a little while in 2 Kings 22-23, and you will see how thoroughly the people of God had lost the worship of YHWH even though the Temple was in their midst. They filled the Temple with pagan idols and the priest were in on it. Consider the Temple today and recognize the similarities.

    (2Co 6:16) And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will live in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. NRKJV

    The Books of Moses were lost and rediscovered and King Josiah (YosYaH), cut deep into his heart, set about ripping into the false religions and restoring the true worship honoring the only real God of Israel, YHWH. I see this as a parallel of the Christian Religion today. Christianity has been flooded with pagan practices and customs as to lose the site of YHWH and of the true Christ, YaHshua. The Christian Church has migrated to calling on a strange name a name that never existed until around 400 years ago. The Christians follow customs cut from the pagan world of the past and present. The modern Christians engage in Holiday traditions as opposed to the Holy Days and Sabbaths of the Holy Bible. In this we see, again, as in the days of Noah, men of God, children of God, sons of God, turning into something else, accepting the lie.

    The Context, The Context, The Context

    (Gen 6:5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    My comment: This verse, following on the heels of verses 1-4 should be the end of the discussion. “And GOD saw that the wickedness of man…” can it possibly be any plainer? Not the “…wickedness of the angels…”, but “of man” — man, men — no mention of angels and not the slightest hint concerning “fallen angels”. What is the context, then? “…and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” Man’s thoughts, man’s heart and no angels around or even acknowledged. It seems God can see the “wickedness of man” but the teachers of the false doctrine cannot.

    The verses in Genesis 6 have nothing to do with “fallen angels” marrying and giving others in marriage. Instead of this we see and account that is all about men and what they were doing. The KJV has once again clouded the waters of biblical interpretation. The hearts (minds) of men is certainly evil and exhibits this historically and in minor ways as well.

    You can pick up one Bible dictionary and will side with the fable of the pagans, “gods marrying human women” and yet another Bible dictionary will not. Perceived authorities can be quoted, some pro, some con, but as we move closer to the end it is surprising how this false teaching has grown among the Christian, especially the Evangelical Dispensationalist – those teaching the other false doctrine of the Rapture.

    You can pick for yourself which theory appeals to you. For me and others we stick with the scriptures and what our Savior, YaHshua, had to say about angels. Believe YaHshua and you will see something is wrong with the Gen 6:1-4 and with a little research you will find the alternate translation of, “sons of the kings”, this makes more sense as when you get literal with the KJV, “sons of god” the term for “god”, in this case, is the Hebrew “elohim” meaning “gods”, so the KJV should read, “sons of gods, many gods, and is not speaking of the Creator God, or the God YHWH (YaHweh) at all. Even some the Jewish scholars that teach this false doctrine ignore this simple fact. Not all Jewish scholars, of course, support this false teaching that angels equals YHWH’s sons taking flesh to wed and bed. It does appear, however, that the origin of this doctrine has Jewish sources outside of Scripture.

    NOTE: The Jewish Study Bible, by Adele Berlin and Marc Zvi Brettler, Translated, “sons of God” as “divine beings” in Genesis 6:1-4 and this is taking liberties with the text. Also, this same Jewish Version, in its sidebar commentary, say, “…it also explains the origin of the Nephilim…”. These Jewish scholars obviously favor the idea that “divine beings married human women and had giant children by them. For one thing, as pointed out in other places, this would be impossible, as these beings would no longer be divine if they did such a thing, or were capable of such and act.

    But, to be fair, there are better works than this, and more in tune with the truth. If you can get your hands on a copy of, Pentateuch & Faftorahs, Heverw Text English Translation & Commentary you will find it to be and excellent work. In this version of the TORAH, edited by Dr. J H Hertz, you will find a much more reasonable handling of this man made myth: After stating this to be a heathen myth that certain Jewish scholars fell into the following is recorded in the “commentary” — “Philo, Josephus and the author of the Book ob Jubilees were misled into this interpretation by the analogy of these heathen fables. There is, however, no trace in Genesis of ‘fallen angels’ or rebellious angels; and the idea of inter-marriage of angels and human beings is altogether foreign to Hebrew thought. The mythological explanation of this passage was in all ages repelled by a large body of Jewish and non-Jewish commentators, though it has been revived by many moderns.” Notice, it is now being revived by the “moderns”.

    The End

    There you have it, again, with a few more observations. King Solomon is a prime example of what happened on the Earth before, with men of religious authority or ruler ship, the kings of the time, or even the ruling class of Adams children, being influenced and tempted by women outside of their own faith or class. Women have a very spiritual nature, more so than men, and for this reason they are prey to every kind of “spirit”. Satan went after Eve for a reason. He had plenty of time to assault Adam but found it easier to get to Eve and through Eve to Adam.

    We see another example in the story of Elijah. Everyone knows the story of Jezebel and how she sought to kill Elijah (Eli- Jah, means; My God is YaH). She was the alien Queen of Israel, not an Israelite but a Phoenician. She married the King of Israel, Ahab, and brought her false gods and customs, her primary god being Baal (Baal means; Lord, or Master). Apparently during this time there were many god under the banner of Baal, many Lord gods, with many different names.

    It would seem the children of God, the Israelites, or, at least, the men of Israel have a weakness for foreign women. This is the very thing (the secret of Israel’s weakness) the prophet Balaam gave to King of Moab, Balac, as a method of corrupting the children of Israel in an attempt to stop Israel from crossing the Jordan river threatening to over run the children of Moab — see Numbers 25:1 and Numbers 31:18. Balaam refused to put a curse on the children of Israel but eventually revealed the weakness of the children and of the “Mighty Men” before the YHWH. Apparently Israelite women were plain (by Moabite standards), by comparison to the made up and haughty women of the sex temples of Moab.

    The “Mighty men” of Israel saw the daughters of Moab as beautiful and took of them any they desired. To stop this insult Israel was struck and many of Israel’s mighty men came to their end at the hands of their brothers and kin remaining true to YaHWeH. When this disaster came to an end the invasion finally commenced and the king of Moab, along with Balaam were killed.

    Man’s Natural Desire

    Genesis tells us a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife (to please her), this is a natural instinct of men (Gen 2:24). Looking back at the account of Adam and Eve we see Eve introducing Adam to a false religion (so to speak), turning from the true words of their Creator by listening to another word, lying words, mixed with the words of YHWH, deceiving them into doubting what they were originally told.

    They chose to go with words added to His word putting a subtle twist on the truth, “…you will not die.” In the true religion they originally did not question His word of truth, their faith rested in believing their Creator, YHWH, as small children believe their father but eventually they were choosing to listen to a lesser authority, Satan. Here, then, is another example of a “son of God”, Adam, falling under the influence of a woman. Make no mistake, Adam is guilty as sin — he was standing right next to Eve, and while she took to the temptation, accepting the idea YHWH may have not told the truth, doubting Yahweh’s words, she turned to Adam, standing right next to her and gave him the fruit to eat also, and he did not refuse, he ate too. Imagine — Adam is listening to the conversation Eve is having with the Representative of Satan and not saying a word, Eve says, “Here my husband, eat”, and he does. Maybe it was more like this, “Here husband, worship this way”, and he did. Later Adam blames YHWH for his trouble, he says it was the woman’s fault, you know, “That woman you gave me …”, he says. He blames His Creator, YHWH. If only He, God, had not given him the woman – poor Adam, certainly the victim, poor Adam with a poor excuse. Adam let the woman wear the pants, he was the first hen–pecked husband. Make no mistake all of us men are as guilty as Adam — and all women as guilty as Eve. They may have been the first but they demonstrated a weakness in their nature, a nature we all have in the flesh.

    Understand Genesis 6 is to believe what our God, the God of Israel, and now our Savior is saying and has said to us. Believe Him, Believe His words, they are true, but for some reason (you be the judge), there are those teachers of renown teaching this false doctrine of “spirits” (1Tim 4:1) having sex with human wives, giving birth to giants – how absurd! Read your bible, see the truth, believe, and if you want to speculate don’t try to twist the Scriptures to fit your own fairy tale speculations. When someone gives you a verse that smashes your speculation (your mind idol?) accept it. Remember, it is not about winning or losing arguments, it is about having faith in the Word to deliver the answer and with the help of the Holy Spirit of our Heavenly Father and our Savior we will be shown the way and the truth.

    Believing our Heavenly Father and His Son, YaHshua let us consider everything man invents, by comparison, a lie.

    (Rom 3:3-4) For what if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged. NRKJV

    Opinions and speculations can be fun, even lending to keeping interest up in the study of the Word, but we cannot forget, speculation is speculation and your opinion is your opinion but the Word of God is the deciding factor. You should be adjusting your opinions and your speculations to the Word, not the other way around, as we seem to see modern teachers doing today. They follow the methods of Satan, first they tell you some truths then get you to doubt what you think or have heard or read in the Word, then they give you an opinion that is more pleasing to you and your wants and desires and lusts, things to satisfy your flesh, and suddenly you are hooked into thinking “outside of the Book” — this is Satan’s method of self-improvement and there are many that go this way just like Adam and Eve.

    (2Ti 4:3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (to rub or scratch or tickle the ear)

    Don’t be afraid to accept Scripture for what it says and don’t be quick to speculate. Remember, your opinion is your opinion and as with most opinions coming from biblically illiterate people concerning things they know nothing about they are not worth much — wonder, think, even think out loud, but wait on the Word for the answer. Do not be quick to grab hold of an idea just because some one you think is more important than you says it must be so. This misdirection gets a lot of sincere people in trouble, they grab hold of something that tweaks their imagination and won’t let it go, even if Scripture says they are wrong, they join in with others in trying to use the Scriptures to prove their fancy idea.

    False thinking is to assume everything is possible and by this ultimate answer the Word of the Living God is made unreliable — because, among men, everything is not possible, only our Creator has that option. All things are only possible with our God. We are creatures of the flesh, creatures of limitations, bound to certain physical principles that restrain us in spite of what we may dream or wish for.

    We are limited we are but dust and are perishing by the thousands every day. It is only by the option of our Creator that we are offered Life beyond the grave, beyond the return to dust. Flesh and blood cannot “inherit” the Kingdom in our present condition and this is our ultimate limitation — death — these bodies of flesh die.

    We should not be in fear of those that can destroy the flesh, as that is going to happen anyway, with or without the aide of other men, but we should fear the one that has the power to destroy both, the flesh as well as the spirit. Our only hope of achieving the impossible is by and through YaHshua, through whom we will receive new Spirit bodies fit for the Kingdom to come. (1 Jn 3:2, Php 3:21, 1 Cor 15:42-44)

    Here is an example twisting the word of the Living God, from a major Evangelical magazine:

    What follows is how it appears in the magazine, MidNight Call, (Issue August 2010, page 12, second column) –

    (Gen 6:4) The same became mighty men (Nephilim) which were of old, men of renown.

    (Gen 6:4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. KJV

    Compare the two examples, the first as the magazine printed it and the actual verse. See what they did? By interjecting “Nephilim” they are planting the idea these “mighty men”, or “Giants” are the product of the angel/human union, and they drop the very beginning of this verse to make it fit their idea, or what they imagine.

    I will not quote the whole article, but it is clear from the article this is what they teach. Look close at the verse, look at what it really says and is saying — In the original it does not say the “mighty men” were the “Nephilim” but it does say when the Nephilim were on the earth, in those days, these “mighty men” were stepping out of bounds. Look again, these were “mighty men of old, men of renown”, not Nephilim, but men that lived a long time, sons of Adam and Eve (of old) living long lives, famous men (men of renown), not angels, not half breeds of angel/man, but MEN — and when was all this happening? When there were “Nephilim” (giants) on the earth. No where does it ever say these Nephilim (giants) were their children, no where!

    Also, with the original writing, it does not say the Nephilim are men. There were giants in those days? Giant what? Dinosaurs? In the Book of Numbers, as mentioned before, this term, Nephilim, is used referring to a family of ‘giants’ or human Nephilim and from this you could say it is possible the Nephilim of Genesis 6, is also referring to men, but still, it could be making reference to giant animals as well. One thing is sure, the Nephilim in both accounts never suggests these are half breed humans and angels. In the Book of Numbers they are consistently called “men”.

    Are you the product of an angel? Are you the child of an Angel? Let the Word of God Speak —

    (John 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, evento them that believe on his name:

    Strike Number Three

    This is my third try at explaining this and I’m running out of arguments and encouragements for you to receive and study the truth concerning this matter. If you can think of something to add to this understanding please write and let me know. Reread the verse I just quoted closely and ask yourself — Who has the power? He gave this power to become sons of God to whom? Certainly not to angels marrying humans? What seems to be one of the requirements to becoming a son or daughter of God? Is it making sense now? Do angels have the ability to procreate? The answers seem obvious don’t they, when you stay within the realms of the written words, His words to us, right?

    If you are still stuck go back to Genesis 6:5 and see the context of the verses leading up to why YHWH destroyed man by a great flood. Then try to find where it says the world of then was destroyed because of the angels, you will not. The subject and the total context is about men and what they were doing. It is all about mankind and their wickedness, not the angels. My understanding is the rebellious angels that followed Satan had revolted before the creation of men.

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    • Once again, I think the verses below need to be brought to the attention of those who think the Angel view of the bible is incorrect.

      Personally, I have to ask why God is speaking so plain here by using the words “also flesh”. By the plain reading of the verses, if man is “ALSO flesh”… something else God views as “other than man”… is flesh….right? Plain on the text?
      As a matter of context, no animals are mentioned here… Just “Sons of God” Always translated in the Old Testament as angels…. and then, there are the children ( the nephilim)

      Here is the whole “Sons of God” and “also flesh” thing in Genesis 6. Tell me what you think after reading it again. You know what is fun? Things seem to get really clear if you reverse the verses 3 and 4… Just for a mental exercise. I don”t mean to encourage taking things out of context, but could it be the way the Hebrews used Grammar that makes this so hard? Take a look at how it reads, and pay attention to the use of the word “ALSO”.

      Genesis 6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
      2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (next two verses flipped)
      4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
      3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he ALSO is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

      With the reversing of the two sentences, the also flesh verbiage looks a bit clearer as a matter of grammar and paragraph structure… but you dont need to do that, to see that God addressing 2 different kinds of flesh here. Something that God does not consider man… is flesh… and man… is also flesh. In fact, the way its written, it appears that God is a bit upset about having to do the flood thing to man “also”?

      And there is no reason to start with the “doctrines of demons” stuff. This is the kind of thinking that closes peoples minds to Bible study. Here are the facts known even to non Christians. Jesus described a reality about demons and angels that makes people uncomfortable…a lot of people. I understand. But the reality Jesus describes does indeed include angels. And Jesus spent almost half of his career casting out demons. These are facts on the plain reading of the New Testament, straight from the Gospel. I think people have a right to ask what this was all about, and I appreciate people like the author who actually search the scriptures to try to understand it. We have to do as the author has done here. If you have a view, based on scripture, then state it, and support it.

      From other research I have seen on this, all of the Apostles, and the Jewish Scribes believed the Angel view of the Bible. So did the early church fathers. The Daughters of Seth view did not come into being, until after 200 AD, when these verses were re-interpreted to satisfiy the VERY uncomfortable Greeks and Romans.

      So the “doctrines of demons” fear mongering was happening back then too.
      I wish the Church fathers had the guts to face off with the Greeks and the Romans. I wish they just left the initial interpretation alone. The interaction between Jesus and the demons makes huge sense when you take the Angel view of the bible. In fact, the whole Bible makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the article tracking the lineage of these…. “men of renown”.

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  40. “This could only happen through his mother, Ham’s wife, having the Nephilim gene herself, since we know Noah in all his generations was 100% human.” The Curse of Cain was pronounced after an act with Noah’s wife. Maybe she was not the the mother of the three sons.

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  41. A question: Are there links between the frreemasons and other secret organisations and the bloodline of the nephilim?

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  42. does the Nephilim gen still around in human

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  43. Thank you for the enlightening study. You’ve evidently spent a tremendous amount of time compiling verses substantiating your assertions. I believe many if not most Christians fail to comprehend that the term, Sons of God referenced in the Old Testament differs from the Sons of God referenced in the New Testament. Thank you, again.

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  44. 7DayChristian says:

    Begining and End, excellent site, great job with your exergesis and biblical study. I agree with most of what you have stated. The one exception would be that fallen angels have not intermingled after the flood. In fact I tend to believe as the Lord stated when speaking about his second coming, “as in the time of Noah”. And that Satan performing suposed miracles and lying wonders, will come as an angel of light. It can be no coincidence that there has been so many advancements in DNA research and genome science,and the field of genetic science, giving evidence of Satans attempts to corrupt God’s creation. My question is for you sir, what do you think of the Alien connection to the Nephilim as proposed by Chuck Missler http://www.khouse.org/pages/special_events/. It’s interesting that in these last days that we live in that there is a rise of paranormal and belief in Alien visatation. The Alien visitation may indeed be one of satan’s deceptions.

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    • Let me say this, today alien’s is yesterdays fallen angels

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    • I agree The DNA stuff is interesting. As a biologist, I had to steep myself in the intelligent design scholarship to see what in blazes was up that was upsetting the “Darwinian camp” so much. After two years of reading, I suddenly broke out in laughter…. some kind of spontaneous uncontrollable joy. This was 10 years ago. I said to my husband…”Oh.. no… the Powers that Be are going to have to haul out some kind of intelligence other than God, because Darwin is dead! Our children are going to have a chance to revisit the Scopes Monkey Trial!!”
      The hubby’s a Doc… so… he says… “What??”
      “Yeah, watch this” I said, “Next thing you know, there will be ALIENS, and the aliens will have to be our “Creators”… just watch. It will have to happen within the next six years. That’s about all the time they have to get some other lie going to give people an option other than God. The scientists around the world are going to catch on to this pretty quickly. The lay people will not be far behind. People who don’t like God are in DEEP do do right now”.
      Sorry, if I smile about it. But I am a biologist who is so sick of fraud in science. You Go God! One of the perks of Bible Reading? ….The ringside seat! We have an awesome God.

      I can’t tell you how much I am enjoying all these Ancient Alien shows… The first time my husband saw it, he looked at me and reminded me of what I said, and smiled. …..And the latest show this week on the Science Channel? “The Definitive Guide to Aliens???” Really. This is science now? The “definitive guide”? Our Creator is coming at science like a freight train.

      Researching the Angel view of the bible has had it’s benefits for the secular public as well. I am beginning to see testimony sites from non Christians who were having “abduction problems”, and they are gathering to help one another because they have discovered that you can chase off the Aliens when they come for you if you tell them to leave, in the name of Jesus. I think that is interesting. If we get more of these web sites with hundreds of testimonies, it will be telling, will it not? To our author. Thank you for doing such a careful study.

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      • Hi Linda,

        Thanks very much. If we follow the Angel/sons of God perspective in Genesis 6 and 7, we see that also, many animals were corrupted as well. So we can know from Scripture that some type of genetic alteration/defilement was taking place in the Days of Noah. Additionally, the Bible discusses human-animal hybrids. It mentions the satyr, which is a half goat, half human creature. There is also an actual supernatural process of DNA alteration in Scripture found in the book of Daniel. for more on this see our article: UK Labs Have Secretly Made 155 Human-Animal Hybrids. God bless.

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        • Linda – The powers that be are using predictive programming and you are right on track… The latest movie from Ridley Scott, Prometheus, was about an Alien Super race that came here and planted humans here from their own DNA. Ironically, the ‘Alien’ was a very, very large Giant. Wow! Now you got me thinking!!!

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          • Linda,

            Can you please explain from your point of view as a biologist why “Darwinism is dead”. I am curious.

            Thanks.

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      • Thank you Linda, it’s great to hear from a Biologist. What many evolutionists fail to understand, is that the new belief is that the next phase is the spiritual phase, which means they become Gods and that those that seeded man the “aliens” are returning as our saviours. Once you introduce any form of spirituality Darwinism is dead. This is why they are grabbing at straws as to how to pull off the next huge deception into fooling the human race that there is no God, but beings from outter space.
        This is why the vatican a couple of years ago, stated that “if there is alien life, then we should accept them as our brothers” so they are preparing us for the great delusion which the bible says God lets happen, so that they may all believe in the lie, because they took no interest in the truh.

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    • BluesnowZ07 says:

      I love this!!! I’ve been researching the same thing for years, but when sharing it with people, i was shot down :( my question is, Where does it state in the Bible that we go to Heaven, when I read Rev. it says that Yeshua’s (Jesus) Kingdom will be set up here on earth?

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  45. where is Part 2, “Nephilim Giants – Enemies of God in the Bible”??

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  46. No ofence but how exactly did this giants had sex with a regular size woman ?
    I hate to be so literal about this but in the name of science

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    • Hi Socram,

      We’re actually not all adults here, hence the censoring of your comment. But I think your question is asking from a very modern-day perspective (where “adults” get married in their 20s, 30s and 40s) where in ancient times, marriage was something associated with the onset of puberty (i.e., the average man was a lot smaller at the start of puberty – which on average is at age 11-12). So men at that time would take wives at a much younger age and smaller stature than what people do in Western culture today.

      Either way, going just by Scripture, we know that there giants who were born “of the giant” like the sons of Anak in Numbers 13. Anak, who is discussed in detail in Part 2, is not an angel. He was a giant. And so was his father. So there can be no confusion: they conceived with human women and had hybrid, giant offspring. While we are not told all of the mechanics of this, it’s not really necessary to know in detail to understand what happened. I hope that helps, God bless.

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    • It was’n the giants that had sex with woman it was the angles the giants were the offsping of the union
      angles and woman

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    • Good question. I can understand the Angels because they can become so much like men that the men of Sodom could not tell that the angels were not men. But… how exactly do these flesh and blood giants manage to procreate with normal sized women, unless there were female nephilim also?

      I find no scriptural support for female nephilim.
      That is why I always assumed that a few angels were sent after the flood to repopulate the nephilim in the promised land, once they knew where to put their offspring.
      I did not realize there was a lineage. One unscriptural thought is contained in one of the versions of the Book of Jasher I read. The Bible indeed mentions the book, but who knows how badly it’s been corrupted. Still, apparently, while creating these giant offspring, the angels were also doing some biotech and “mixing of animals”. That can be done, for sure even now, in a lab today. Google “human ear on back of a mouse”, in Google images. You might find the photo of the mouse scientists did with a human ear on its back. This is all very weird. But it’s much easier to do than test tube animals.

      So here is one theory to ponder for a fit with all the evidence? It might be that Hams wife was taken, and artificially inseminated? Not too hard to do. She may have even gone willingly at some point?

      Strange theory, but I would not put anything past a bunch of rogue angels who’s main objective was polluting the human genome under the radar. Giants are not exactly able to get “under the radar”. And 400 years is plenty of time for them to figure it out.
      Does it fit the evidence?
      Its a thought that works with the genealogy in this article, and with the events in the promised land where the giants reappeared. It does not require a lot of technology to do. Farmers inseminate cows daily. And, frankly, it seems to even go along with the reality we are dealing with when it comes to this “alien abduction” claim. That sounds a bit biotech too. Just a thought. I have been wondering the same as you.

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  47. Romilson Oliveira Brandão de Souza says:

    A graça e a paz do Senhor meus irmãos, estou lendo a palavra de Deus … fazendo um estudo minucioso do livro de Gênesis … e parei justamente nesse assunto dos gigantes ( dos Nephilim e dos Emins, pesquisando a fundo … Esse blog me ajudou muito, e abriu a minha visão de entendimento em outras referências bíblicas sobre o assunto abardado, creio que Deus nos conduzirá em conhecê-lo e prosseguir em conhecê-lo … Deus os abençoe, em Cristo Jesus … Forte abraço
    “Na Esperança da Glória”

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  48. loved this.

    really looking forward to a part 2!!

    im just now starting to try and learn about the hidden stuff of scripture. and the idea of giants and lilith and enoch and in general pre-flood noah is fascinating and the potential that they could theoritically return somehow given the same scriptures say the later days will be like the days of noah if a frightening but fascinating concept. really hope to hear more on the subject

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    • I was stuck on the Lilith thing early in Bible study, until someone explained to me the following. Genesis has two, not one, record of creation. The first mention of woman, where God creates man and woman at the same time, is the record of creation. Its purpose is to locate the creation of man and woman on the time scale of the general creation or first record. At the end of that record, God wraps it up:
      Genesis 2: 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

      The second record is the record of the creation of MAN where God focuses in on the details of the creation of man and woman in detail. This is the record where he creates man first, and does the bit about the rib and the woman.
      People (even ancient Jews ) think these are two separate women being created at different times. The bible does break these into two different records. One is the account of creation. The other is a close up on the creation of man and woman. Lilith comes from faulty reading, usually from someone who has not caught the shift in records. This is my understanding.

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      • Hi Linda,

        Thank you for your excellent comments. The “Lillith theory” is complete heresy and has no Biblical support. The simple test of this is that you could never come up with the Lillith theory from just reading the Bible on your own. That idea has been added to Scripture. There is no woman named Lillith in the entire text. And the New testament Scripture makes the order of creation clear:


        ” For Adam was first formed, then Eve.” – 1 Timothy 2:13.

        So the questions always comes back to whether we are going to believe the Bible, or believe what someone told us instead. And as Bible-believing Christians, Scripture should always be our authority. God bless.

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  49. Kush:
    ” The flood wiped out the
    giants but shortly after the flood they
    returned and spread all throughout the
    Promised Land.”
    Isn’t this a contradiction.How could the giants that were supposed to have been wiped out of the flood return then populate the earth again?
    ***The bible does not tell us of Ham’s wife having a nephilim ancestor or Ham marrying the wrong woman.***.Is it possible that after the flood some other angels could have again liased with Canaanite,Philistine women??

    also it is said every creature survives the flood. so that EVERY word is key. it implies for some reason or another someone screwed up and let the giant bloodline survive. in various ancient texts it seems to indicate that noah was supposed to kill someone but didn’t and that someone carried the giant bloodline. that someone was a female(Ham or Hams wife i cant remeber if Ham was a son or a wife now lol) but regardless that particular female carries the giant bloodline. since females dont ever show it just like females carry color blind genes but never actually are color blind this likely goes under the radar. its also rumored noah commits adultry and thanks to Lilith between the adultry and giant bloodline in Hams DNA the race resurfaces it is just not quite as powerful as before.

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    • reignyeshua(Dan) says:

      It doesnt say every creature survived, but it Does say two of its kind!
      I believe animals and humans were a lot bigger then,there has been insects with air pockets proving there was 50% more oxigen in the air ,hence i believe when Adam was leaving he walked the earth the same time giant creatures (dinasaurs) did. But come to think of it ,it Does say that nephilim sinned against animals and the plants, so there could be something there as well when it comes to really big creatures.

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      • ” And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.”

        see every living thing comes into the ark and apparently two of its kind. now to make a giant all that is needed is a human and some Angel DNA mixed into a human. so all it really takes for the giant DNA to cross over is for one person to carry it. so.

        while i am not saying angels couldn’t of repeated the act that is certainly possible what i am saying is the bible seems to make clear every creature gets onto that ark and lives. Noah is commanded to take every creature as well. now whether the giants are excluded from the every creature command or not i don’t think any of us can say for certain but the bible does seem to say noah is commanded to take every creature.

        i think part of the problem is this article does not address Lilith.

        i would recommend reading

        http://www.amazon.com/The-Case-Lilith-Mark-Biggs/dp/0557253705/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359637205&sr=8-1&keywords=case+for+lilith

        to help connect the dots some more. because really you can’t understand giants without understanding Lilith as she is the one that supposedly starts the entire bloodline to start with.

        i would also say you are right the giants sinned against animals. and later in the old testament we see The Lord warn against beastility which is kind of an odd thing. my guess is for all flesh to become corrupt(seriously let that sink in) i am suspecting we had a ton of angel/human/animal mixes floating around. also some of the dead sea scroll lost bible books point out a relevance to noah and his appearance and some even state noahs dad was scared that noah had giant blood in him. so it seems there is a reference to noahs appearance as part of the perfection he had in his days. i’d suspect Satans great plan at that time was to pollute the bloodline to a point where Jesus couldn’t come and thus the flood. it also partly explains why israel is commanded to completely wipe out all things later on concerning the giants food, people, babies, animals everything. i’d suspect what noah took into the flood was the last pure form of every bloodline.

        as far as how it could of carried over? according to that book i linked which i would highly recommend it is a great read. Noah is commanded to kill hams wife if i recall. he messes up and doesn’t do it. ham supposedly has the giant bloodline in her. however apparently women don’t show it similar to the color blind gene women are never colorblind but they do carry the gene. then later noah whether voluntarily or by being tricked commits adultery or in other words an illicit sex act. now such sex acts are where Lilith can manifest herself within the child. and notice that noahs curses that group of people. this could then be where the giant bloodline resurfaces. again i am not saying angels did not come and commit the sin again but we must also remember the original group that did it were watchers over earth so it is possible The Lord did not set up a new group of watchers so if angels did it again they were errant and lost and not as organized.

        also to mate in the first place they needed Gods ineffable name which Lilith has and the angels do not. Lilith and the head watcher create originally a child completely seperate to the giants and truly a seperate seed to rival eve’s seed. this child lacks all connection and bloodlines to eves seed. so i do not think this act was repeated exactly as before.

        so either Lilith does not want a second child, The Lord won’t allow it, the seed is carried over in the ark, or angels repeated the act but not with Lilith but still got the name from her?

        i find the topic fascinating. my only real complaint is being LDS i wish some of these scholars on the subject would take a look at some of the LDS scriptures to see how they fit in but alas i am forced to do that myself. i also find it fascinating yet somewhat terrifying as the new testament states plainly the days of noah shall be like the latter days so does this mean the return of the massive hundred foot tall giants? the animal human angel hybrids? is the anti-christ really a manifestation of the lost blood line? and what exactly is all flesh becoming corrupted? i think we humans shut ourselves out to the possiblity just because we don’t see it occur yet i think there is some great mystery in the days of noah and some mystery that is just so terrifying we refuse to search it out, really the implications of giants and Lilith are just terrifying.

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        • Hi Kayne,

          Thanks for your comments but I have to respectfully disagree with almost all of it. There is no Lilith in the Bible and Beginning and End is a Bible-believing Christian ministry. As such, we do not give any credence the extra-Biblical books of Joseph Smith and the Latter day saints (i.e., the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, etc.). We believe in the God of the Bible and the Jesus Christ of the Bible, who is God, the Creator and Savior. Mormonism preaches a different God, different Jesus and different Gospel.

          Of course you are free to share your thoughts but as a Watchman ministry we just want to make it clear to our reading audience that we do not agree with LDS doctrines.

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          • Beginning and End:
            Hi Kayne,

            Thanks for your comments but I have to respectfully disagree with almost all of it. There is no Lilith in the Bible and Beginning and End is a Bible-believing Christian ministry. As such, we do not give any credence the extra-Biblical books of Joseph Smith and the Latter day saints (i.e., the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, etc.). We believe in the God of the Bible and the Jesus Christ of the Bible, who is God, the Creator and Savior.Mormonism preaches a different God, different Jesus and different Gospel.

            Of course you are free to share your thoughts but as a Watchman ministry we just want to make it clear to our reading audience that we do not agree with LDS doctrines.

            actually lets look. Lilith is found in the bible if we read closely first genesis chapter 1 26-29

            And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

            27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

            28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

            29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

            we see here God made male and female. both of them. we also see this is not the same account found in genesis chapter 2 because apparently “every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.” notice unlike in chapter 2 verse 17

            But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

            here notice the commandment is different! suddenly there is a tree that cannot be eaten. so clearly this is telling of two different accounts of a creation of a woman.

            we will also note that in chapter 2 at this point eve has not yet been made. also note that chapter 2 verse 20

            And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

            here for some reason Adam is expecting to find a helpmeet. which makes sense given a female was created in chapter 1. notice eve has not yet been made! so here he gathers every living creature and names them and finds no helpmeet now why would adam be looking for a helpmeet amongst non human animals? well clearly because in chapter 1 God made a female previously for him.

            let us also then look at chapter 3. the famous serpent. now even including my LDS scriptures and lost bible books in the dead sea scrolls there is only one instance of an animal talking(at least that i am aware of) and it is used as a point of shock and to show how dumb the human is and it is quite clearly shocking. but somehow eve holds a conversation with a “serpent” and has no shock value to it. the conversation goes on for so long that this serpent tricks her. Adam also has no qualms about talking to this serpent and later on the three of them are standing before God and again no mention of this serpents speaking ability. seems odd and inconsistent with the other animal talking story.

            we also have this tidbit….chapter 3 verse 15

            And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

            this implies there must be a seed that this serpent raises aka the giants although they are half eve’s the serpents only true recorded 100% independent of eve’s seed is Azazel(spelling?) from the book of the enoch which the author of that book points(the one i linked) out even gets mentioned in the bible. for the seed to truly be the serpents it must be 100% seperate from eve otherwise all seed is eve’s and eve cannot be put into rival with her own seed according to that scripture. now some might supposed this is Lucifer but Lucifer is not mentioned. nor is there any instance of Lucifer having the power to create children see as he is cast out of heaven without ever gaining a mortal body he cannot create seed. he can have adopted children as followers yes but that is not what this statement saids the serpent’s seed and eve’s seed are locked into enmity.

            some might suppose this was a snake with legs while possible we are still left with a snake talking and bearing rival seed to eve which again does not make sense.

            in essence the serpent has to be a human female or at least she was once human.

            also according to that author of that book i linked(seriously read that book best case for Liliths existence using the bible ive seen anywhere) according to the hebrew genesis chapter 2 verse 23

            And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

            this is NOW bone of my bones is reference to at this repetition or in otherwords at this particular instance. in essence this particular woman as in i’ve seen a woman like her before. marking the indication that there was a previous woman. at least according to the hebrew translation

            i will not go into every detail(my friend is reading my copy of that book) but there is so much more even found in the first 3 chapters referencing the creation of a Lilith character. but as we can plainly see God created a female in chapter 1, a second female in chapter 2, and at some point between chapter 2 and 3 Lilith gets her name, is called the serpent, and her seed must rival the seed of Eve. either that Eve’s seed is rivaling the seed of snakes everywhere those pesky bums plotting to drag us all to hell is what they are doing i know it.

            so there we have 4 instances right there referecing a human female. the book has 19 other cases that are equally well done. drawing parallels to the bitter water trials, the sacrifices of the old testament, and other stuff.

            so read the book yes? Lilith is quite clearly found in the bible. adding stuff like the book of enoch is just icing on the cake. although the case for her much like 100 foot tall giants can and is made exclusively with the bible it is just after the bible facts have been established we can then look at things like the book of enoch to fill in the details.

            my point of mormon scriptures that was not to convert you to the LDS faith although that would be nice my point was i see christian scholars look through every translation of the bible, dead sea scroll texts, and every story out there but almost always fail to look at the LDS scriptures as a possible add on or explanation. so i don’t take offense at you personally i just wish christian scholars when researching hidden topics like nephliem which lets face it is not accepted in any christian religion it is still a fringe despite they are painfully obviously in the bible. although it is the exact same Jesus logic dictates it has to be otherwise LDS folks wouldn’t use the bible.

            i also want to say i find the fact you don’t look at non bible texts as odd when one must realize the giants while in the bible their best descriptions are outside of the bible. there is also the fact that the giants are thought of at least in my experience by christians as maybe 9 to 10 feet tall and certainly not a result of a angels mating with humans and certainly not 100s to thousands of feet tall. granted i do enjoy people backing their claims with the bible the true story of the giants and noah is quite clearly hidden in places other than the bible which apparently just provides a pointer to these other places. in fact i am just as sure you would get laughed out of a congregation for teaching this as i would get laughed out of teaching it at a sunday school class. although i could be wrong some folks may be open to the idea.

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            • Hi Kayne,

              Again, we are going to remain at a variance as you adhere to non-Biblical texts for your doctrine. There is no mention of Lillith in the BIble whatsoever. I am just going to make a few brief points:

              1. Genesis 1 – ” And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”

              This was a description of the creation of man who had the materials (namely his rib) that a female would be created from. It is not the creation of a prior female or an androgyny or anything of the sort.

              Genesis 2 gives the details of how Eve was made AFTER the creation week. Notice this is when God creates the ordinance of marriage. Why is being married not mentioned in Genesis 1?? Because Eve was not made yet. It’s a description of Adam being created and then referencing that woman would be made from a part of him. But Eve is the first woman of humanity.

              This is confirmed in the New Testament:

              For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” – 1 Timothy 2:13-14.

              This passage alone completely refutes the “Lillith theory.” We are told that Eve is the first woman and the first person to sin. Case closed. But will you adhere to Divine Scripture or continue to look to the writings and fables of men?

              Mormon doctrine teaches that Jesus and Satan are brothers. Elohim and Yahweh are two different gods. All men become gods through marriage and heiros gamos. None of these concepts have anything to do with Biblical Christianity. Again, I post this for the readers to know that why we are at such a variance. The discussion is not very fruitful when you are not following God’s Word and putting other texts on part with it.

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                Hi Kayne,

                Again, we are going to remain at a variance as you adhere to non-Biblical texts for your doctrine. There is no mention of Lillith in the BIble whatsoever. I am just going to make a few brief points:

                1. Genesis 1 – ” And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”

                This was a description of the creation of man who had the materials (namely his rib) that a female would be created from. It is not the creation of a prior female or an androgyny or anything of the sort.

                Genesis 2 gives the details of how Eve was made AFTER the creation week. Notice this is when God creates the ordinance of marriage. Why is being married not mentioned in Genesis 1?? Because Eve was not made yet. It’s a description of Adam being created and then referencing that woman would be made from a part of him. But Eve is the first woman of humanity.

                This is confirmed in the New Testament:

                This passage alone completely refutes the “Lillith theory.” We are told that Eve is the first woman and the first person to sin.Case closed. But will you adhere to Divine Scripture or continue to look to the writings and fables of men?

                Mormon doctrine teaches that Jesus and Satan are brothers. Elohim and Yahweh are two different gods. All men become gods through marriage and heiros gamos. None of these concepts have anything to do with Biblical Christianity. Again, I post this for the readers to know that why we are at such a variance. The discussion is not very fruitful when you are not following God’s Word and putting other texts on part with it.

                going to have to ask how you get the conclusion that genesis 1 is referring to the description of having the materials(the rib) to make the woman? especially considering genesis 1 does not even at all say that anywhere it flat out says male and female have been made. in fact it quite clearly says God makes him in His Own image then a pause the “;” and says created male and female. the Lilith story is helped in that area. there we see God making Adam in HIS image and then creating male and female. Lilith is made in Lucifers defected light or His image. so that state is declaring Adam is made in Gods image and God made male and female. there is also the fact that a Father is a male, Jesus is a male. and women both Eve and Lilith commit the original sins mimmicking Lucifer. Lucifer does also Mimmick God so this is a fitting parallel.

                also the fact that genesis 1 doesnt make mention of marriage to eve perfectly fits into the Lilith story. Adam couldnt marry her she was a failed mate yet genesis 1 makes it clear that there is a female made at this time and that every fruit was ediable a commandment that is later changed.

                i have also mentioned my entire case for Lilith to this point is based solely on the bible so you can’t say i havent done that. ive merely said other texts add to the details or provide the icing on the cake but the primary case for existence is found in the bible.

                now concerning….

                For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” – 1 Timothy 2:13-14.

                nothing of what i said previously contradicts ANYTHING in that statement. considering Lilith is made before eve then naturally Adam is made before Eve as genesis 2 promptly points out.that statement proves nothing beyond what genesis 2 already says which is Adam came around before Eve. Lilith comes before Eve is how that story goes. so this verse really does not disprove any of what i said. unless ive missed some explanation of that verse

                the then part you bolded can mean many things. i can say i went to first grade then 12th grade then i died. that statement is 100% accurate. it leaves out some details but it is a 100% true statement. so God made Adam THEN eve is 100% accurate. there is no lie in that statement.

                as per the two different Jesus’s….first yes mormons teach we can become Gods like Christ but so does the bible

                Romans 8:17

                And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

                so here we apparently inheret all that Jesus has which is apparently becoming God since well Jesus is a God if we gain what he has and are joint heirs that would mean we too must in fact become Gods if we suffer with Him. that proves quite clearly we are to become Gods

                as for Elohim and Yahweh i would ask this….the bible quite clearly teaches of a Godhead. Jesus quite clearly prays to The Heavenly Father. if Jesus and ELohim are NOT two seperate Gods or beings then what in the world are they? while mortal Jesus cries out to Elohim yes Jesus is God as well…so quite clearly either Jesus is a liar or they are both Gods and one is in mortality at that point and the other is not. logic demands that these two are two seperate individuals. secondly Jesus is the Son of God. One cannot be their own Son and Father it just doesnt work.

                John chapter 16 clearly speaks of a Father and a Son

                16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

                17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?

                then we have the Holy Spirit which John plainly testifies of. in John chapter 1

                And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

                34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

                here we have a Holy Ghost.

                so clearly the bible establishes a Godhead or a trinity or whatever you wish to describe the Three of Them as. the mormon theory of Jesus and Elohim being two seperate beings does in no way shape or form contradict the bible.

                now that we establish using bible verses only that their is a Father, A Son, and Holy Ghost. this calls into question the Jesus and Satan Brothers idea. now the role of Father is simply that. to have children as that is what makes one a Father. this would mean by its very definition that Jesus is The Son of said Father which is something Jesus plainly says and the bible plainly says im sure no less than 1000 times. Jesus is as such our brother in the same sense you and I are siblings coming from the same first set of parents.

                what we have with Lucifer is a fallen angel of sorts. He is never born. He never enjoys mortality he rebelled. he falls from grace. now there is undeniable proof that things are created or at least exist before their birth. Christ for example is apparently Lord before His birth therefore He existed before His birth so yes things do exist before their birth in some form. Lucifer is no different.

                here we direct reference to a pre-existence

                1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
                21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

                Jerimiah 1: 4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
                5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

                also if Life does not exist before birth there would be no need to rush out Mary from the wrath of the king killing the first born children.

                so it is clear all life is created before its existence here. so then the logical conclusion is why not Lucifer? why can’t he too be a spirit brother? why is that such a stretch? we see he existed in the pre-existence with us. now the thing about Satan is he possess speaking ability. an ability to tempt mankind. to put thoughts into your head. this is a uniquely human trait. of all the things that roam the planet only things of human origin can do this. angels, devils, Gods, humans. are the only ones capable of this. he according to book of revelation wages a war against God. according to Isaih he falls from heaven and the heavens weap. He has his famous 5 I will statements. so clearly this something that is not an animal in the sense we know it. you cannot argue and tell me Lucifer or Satan is simply a random animal. this guy has human like intelligence and ability. of all the specie’s in all of creation that we know of only humans have the ability to openly declare war on God. This is further proof Satan is of a human spirit in its worst form condemned to hell. he is also the accuser of thy brethern. is even appears with the Sons of God in the bible at one or two places so clearly this is not some beast of the field character.

                here in revelation 12 verse 9

                And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him

                the only angels referenced anywhere are human like. apparently genetically capable of creating the famous giants. so it seems more than clear Lucifer or Satan is our brother or at the very least fits the traits that would make him our brother.

                if Lucifer our brother in the same vain as Christ? most likely. He is on this world tempting us

                of course Ephesians 4:6

                One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all

                so God is Father of all. even the devil. we all share some relation in some sense. also as ive said Satan is like a human spirit in his capaiblities.

                but who created all Life Jesus? The Father?

                Colossians chapter 1

                3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you

                give thanks to The Father of Jesus Christ…

                15 Who is the aimage of the invisible bGod, the cfirstborn of devery creature:

                16 For by him were all athings bcreated, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or cprincipalities, or powers: all things were dcreated by him, and for him:

                17 And he is before all things, and by him all things aconsist.

                18 And he is the ahead of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the bfirstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

                19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all afulness dwell;

                here we have The Father being pleased that all fulness is dwelling in Jesus. here we have The Father making Jesus apparently but then Jesus taking the load of the work after we are created. now we are to follow Jesus who prays to The Father. then that must mean The Father is too our Father or else the prayer does not work because then Jesus would be our Father which is not what the bible teaches us. Christ teaches us to follow Him and Christ plainly prayed to The Father. we do not say Dear Heavenly GrandFather we say Dear Heavenly Father.

                so clearly The Father is God of all God even over Jesus whom all fulness dwell. so the thought that Lucifer is our brother is within the confines of the bible. is this ever outright said? im not sure i found it in the bible….but then again the bible never outright says Me and Christ are brothers either. you must make a logical jump and conclusions that if Eve is our first mother(i contend one of the reasons for the flood was to wipe out the Lilith bloodline so Jesus could be born but even still you would agree either way Eve is our first mother and in either case i would agree seeing as the giants have been wiped out.) then in the same context Eve is the mother Of Jesus and in that context He is our brother. the bible never flat out calls Jesus our brother but logic implies it.

                the bible also never flat out says angels mated with human girls. it calls them sons of God. we have to dig deeper to draw the conclusion. so don’t dismiss this simply because well the bible never flat out says it….not on this site with very well done articles on the giants and whom i sincerely hope you are still working on a part 3. and thats sort of the thing about all scriptures even my LDS ones. there are a lot of hidden things that arent flat out said and you must draw certain conclusions. the bible is the same way as well.

                there i believe i answered your questions on the Mormon Jesus not being the same as the bible Jesus. i apologize if this got long here especially the Satan part.

                i appreciate the reply. although you failed to address some of my other points as i mentioned previously. i have also used solely the bible to stake my claim as per your request and i feel it has been sufficient. if you have a different interpretation of these verses i’d love to hear it.

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                • Hi Kayne,

                  Again, there is no point in debating the Nephilim because you adhere to extra-Biblical texts. The simple fact that you keep using the name “Lillith”, which does not come from the Bible, is one example.

                  I also have no interest in debating Mormon doctrine. As long as you put other texts on par with the Bible, there will be no agreement. But if you are looking for a good debate, I would recommend Ed Decker’s website.

                  Here is one of his discussion threads where he shows Mormonism’s many connections to Freemasonry and Lucifer

                  Lucifer in The Mormon Temple


                  Was Joseph Smith a Prophet by Biblical standards?


                  Mormons Baptizing in the name of Mary

                  And there many other threads Ed has with testimonies from former Mormons on the unbiblical LDS teachings. You can find lots of good discussion there.

                  Finally here is a hidden cam video of a Mormon ritual in the temple. It also seems very closely aligned with Freemasonry:

                  Momron Temple Endowment Ceremony Revealed.

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                  • Kathy Cavoores: Hi! A flaw in my logic? You mean a flaw in Jesus’ logic since He is the one who spoke those words. Why do you LDS feel the need to ‘interpret’ what Jesus said as though He didn’t know what He was talking about or He is incapable of explaining His true meaning and you know how to do that? If you can just assume that He really IS God and assume that He means what He says, understanding would be simple to you.
                    Thomas Edison ‘created’ the light bulb. A Father is a parent who reproduces himself. A Father only passes on the life that was already given to him by God. He did not create that life. He did not create the body of his child but only allowed his own body to do the work God made it to do.
                    You are trying to twist the scripture to fit your own doctrine. Try reading the real Bible. You might find some peace. The real word of God has already been spoken and it will not change or disappear no matter how much you try to muddy the waters. Blessings to you.

                    1. all religions interpret scripture. every pastor, preacher, and prophet does this. they read a scripture and say what they think it means.

                    2. i mean a flaw in YOUR logic. the context in which you attempt to apply the quoted scripture is the flaw. not in the scripture.

                    3. you contradict yourself. terms like “founding fathers” which created a nation. other terms like “the father of psychology” or the father of this or that. this denotes the creator of the item or thing in question. a father is not just a biological parent. then there is the simple fact that as i quoted earlier the bible quite clearly says God is Father of all. Satan is included in this all statement either that “all” means something else. so if Satan can become our father by our own wickedness then the only way Satan can become our father is by being an adopted father by disowning our actual Father aka God. but since God is Father of all there is no way He can never be anything less than that. this logically means that Satan can become at best our adopted Father because we join his house just as Jesus says we can join His kingdom and become “children of God” we can become children of hell. but either way we are forever the children of God because God is Father of all. He is father of the cockroach, the lion, the devils, the angels, the known universe. that is what “all” means. if all does not mean this all including aspect when clearly he states in genesis that he made the world then what in the world do you suppose all means.

                    so yes Jesus is dead on as usual that Satan can become our father. this does not mean that God suddenly ceases being our Father. this is akin to saying someone other than my biological dad is now my father and saying this new father is now my biological father. i am sorry that argument would fail given my DNA would trace me back to my original creator. likewise Satan can become our dad all we want but we can never erase the blueprints of our DNA that trace us back to God The Father.

                    so you suppose either God was lying when He said He is the Father of all? Perhaps then the bible lies when God says He creates the world? or do you suppose Jesus is saying something contradicting later on? or do you suppose we use common sense and conclude that at best Satan can become our adopted father? here think of it this way. you are given up for adoption. you now call your parents mom and dad. the reality however is they will never be anything more than adopted parents. your true biological parents(God The Father) will forever be your true biological parents just simply a new house adopted your and raised you.

                    try this: Isiash chapter 1 verse 18

                    Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool

                    let me stress the REASON together part.

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  50. i actually want to ask a question that i just got reminded of and i hope someone can answer….

    this concerns in part the Lilith story as well since she is involved in the initial creation of said giants. my question is this what do you suppose then are the odds of this “lost” seed resurrecting itself or manifesting itself again? perhaps either Lilith mates with someone that is a carrier and thus is able to bring about the supernatural evil of that seed once again? or perhaps that while yes Christ was a pure child that the rest of humanity is mostly corrupted and an indeterminable amount of humans today possess a faint amount of this giant seed? or perhaps the fabled Anti-Christ of the end days is perhaps one last great manifestation of the Giant race as one last great rival to seed to Eve’s seed(Christ)? or perhaps the cause of silence in heaven for half an hour is one more angel falling and doing this deed one last time? ive often wondered what great sin could possibly occur to cause silence to occur in heaven for half an hour

    so if you could maybe shed light on any of that that would be awesome sorry its a big group of questions but if you know or have any theories on any of those questions i’d love to hear it

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  51. Praise the Lord God that people are so interested in this subject. I did not think it was so in this day and age, but then He would not let it be any other way.

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  52. Really enjoyed this article,
    Would just like to know when part 2 will be out?
    Thanks

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  53. I LOVED this! where is part 2? I am thirsting for more knowledge! God Bless you!!! and for all naysayers: Jesus is my SAVIOR NOT my religion! AMEN! SELAH

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  54. reignyeshua(Dan) says:

    Was searching images and came across this page ,beginningandend I would like to say my heart(Jesus) has told me what you write is truth I find no fault in your righting but feel it comes deep whithin you.I am proud to know that there are strong Christians that God gives use so we can learn and grow in Christ,I have been saved for 10 years and still am young in Christ!I thank God for your knowledge and blessings cause through your writings I have found food and knowledge for my soul!
    Again I thank Jesus for brothers like you
    God bless!

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  55. Kathy Cavoores says:

    kayne: so it seems more than clear Lucifer or Satan is our brother or at the very least fits the traits that would make him our brother.

    Dear Kayne: Satan is in no way my brother. Jesus clearly explained that in John 8:42-45
    “42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.”
    Being a “father” is different from being a “creator”. Should you ever decide to stop being a brother of Satan, you too can become a real child of God. He’s very nice. :-)
    John 1: 12&13 “Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.” <3

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    • Kathy Cavoores: Dear Kayne: Satan is in no way my brother. Jesus clearly explained that in John 8:42-45
      “42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.”Being a “father” is different from being a “creator”.Should you ever decide to stop being a brother of Satan, you too can become a real child of God. He’s very nice.
      John 1: 12&13 “Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.” <3

      the flaw in this logic is if you simply look at the wording. it says “you are of your father the devil”. well that is fine and all but the problem is if you try and apply that logic and say Heavenly Father is not your father. He is still your Father for He made you and gave you life. a creator is a Father for a father CREATES life. my earthly parents created me by having sex. i can disown them, i can run from, i can even kill them and take on a new father. but my actual father will forever be the one that got my mother pregnant. the same concept here applies by ignoring Jesus we forsake our Heavenly Father and adopt our new father The Devil however The Devil is just that an adopted Father. for the only the Devil could be my father is if he produced seed with my mother and that seed was me then yes he is my actual literal father. at most he can be an adopted father and by following him that is what would happen. that is what that means either that the words father and creator have new meanings i am unaware of and for those meanings to relevant they would have to in force at the time of the writing of the bible.

      in essence you assume Heavenly Father can have no rebel children something you plainly stated by quoting that Satan could become our father thus implying that yes God does have rebel children and since we are on this website noahs flood also implies that. Satan is a rebel child. all those that oppose Jesus are rebel children. they are still His children either way though.

      there is nothing wrong in thinking that Jesus is our brother or Satans brother. that does not speak less of Jesus all that says is Jesus has a brother who is in jail which is same as me saying i have a sibling in jail. that sibling is still my blood relative. it has no bearing on my standing in life. i could be the president of the USA and have a sibling in jail. it has no bearing on me or my standing we both share the same father. so yes God has children that will rebel enough to warrant a one way ticket to hell and Jesus has his human siblings that He will fail to save because they flat out reject him which is talked about in the bible at length several times.

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      • Kathy Cavoores says:

        kayne: the flaw in this logic is if you simply look at the wording. it says “you are of your father the devil”. well that is fine and all but the problem is if you try and apply that logic and say Heavenly Father is not your father.

        Hi! A flaw in my logic? You mean a flaw in Jesus’ logic since He is the one who spoke those words. Why do you LDS feel the need to ‘interpret’ what Jesus said as though He didn’t know what He was talking about or He is incapable of explaining His true meaning and you know how to do that? If you can just assume that He really IS God and assume that He means what He says, understanding would be simple to you.
        Thomas Edison ‘created’ the light bulb. A Father is a parent who reproduces himself. A Father only passes on the life that was already given to him by God. He did not create that life. He did not create the body of his child but only allowed his own body to do the work God made it to do.
        You are trying to twist the scripture to fit your own doctrine. Try reading the real Bible. You might find some peace. The real word of God has already been spoken and it will not change or disappear no matter how much you try to muddy the waters. Blessings to you. :-)

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  56. Beginning and End:
    Hi Kayne,

    Again, there is no point in debating the Nephilim because you adhere to extra-Biblical texts. The simple fact that you keep using the name “Lillith”, which does not come from the Bible, is one example.

    I also have no interest in debating Mormon doctrine. As long as you put other texts on par with the Bible, there will be no agreement. But if you are looking for a good debate, I would recommend Ed Decker’s website.

    Here is one of his discussion threads where he shows Mormonism’s many connections to Freemasonry and Lucifer

    Lucifer in The Mormon Temple


    Was Joseph Smith a Prophet by Biblical standards?


    Mormons Baptizing in the name of Mary

    And there many other threads Ed has with testimonies from former Mormons on the unbiblical LDS teachings. You can find lots of good discussion there.

    Finally here is a hidden cam video of a Mormon ritual in the temple. It also seems very closely aligned with Freemasonry:

    Momron Temple Endowment Ceremony Revealed.

    i provided proof for my Lilith claim. i cited the bible through and through. you continue to harp onto my use of non bible texts yet i did exactly as asked and used the bible to back my claims. you clearly show a lack of reading comprehension. you said there was no proof of Lilith. i provided some and you failed to refute it.

    your lack of interest in other doctrine is appalling. know this simple fact. God can reveal what He wants and when He wants. there is no declaration that the bible is the end all be all of all scripture ever to exist. let me ask this why can there not be more to the bible? at best we get a remark to not add anymore to the book of revelation and we get if i recall a proverbs remark noting not to add to the Gods word. yet this does not at any point hint or say that God is done adding to his word. to point of being a follower of Christ is to learn all their is about Christ to assume there can be no more revealed about Christ puts God into a box aka the bible. to not discount the bible or anything but Christ is so far outside the scope of just the bible it is not funny. He is the author or Father of the world. I am sure there is far more to Him than just the bible. the bible is merely a good starting ground.

    there is the fact i asked how do mormons not believe in the Jesus bible when we use the bible? you stated some things so i explained them. you fail to acknowledge that. i replied solely based on bible verses so you cannot say this is only mormon doctrine when i quoted the bible. i again provided 100% proof and refuted the argument.

    as per your links solely looking at the titles. yes Lucifer appears as a character in the temple ceremony. but the temple ceremony goes through the creation of the world including eve’s temptation. and some other stuff. Lucifer is a character in that role. the question i ask is how that means anything?

    secondly….no LDS bapitizes in the name of mary that is just a bold faced lie. i cannot recall the exact wording to bapitism but i know it is more or less by proper authority we bapitism this person Heavenly Father by use of the Holy Priesthood in the name of Jesus Christ. some variation of that mary is NOT in there.

    to the mormon temple endowment revealed person. they made a sacred covenant with God to do no such thing. their condemnation will be on their own head lest they repent of this great and serious sin. secondly you make some assumption i assume that i am a brainwashed unaware uninformed mormon by seeking to shock me with the temple ceremony. thirdly i am temple endowed so i am well aware of the ceremony but promised not to reveal some things because God has declared them sacred just as He has done in times past. That poor soul breaks their sacred oaths and others that watch it parade and laugh at it. They Mock The Lord God openly. God will not be mocked is stated plainly at the beginning of that.I would seriously back off mocking God. it is one thing to sin as we are all human it is entirely other thing to openly mock Him. by participating in this mockery you will condemn yourself. the day will surely arrive either in this mortal life or the next where God will ask why you mocked Him? He will surely ponder why you hate mormons who believe in the same exact KJV of the bible. surely He ponders this now.

    and was Joseph Smith a prophet by bible standards? He saw Jesus, The Father, conversed with angels, translated ancient records, and performed miracles. well that is surely a prophet by bible standards the only question is whether one believes this is or not. and to do so one should ask God Himself with all sincerity and being humble truly asking the great question was Joseph Smith a prophet yes or no. or perhaps better yet reading the book of mormon and pondering that question. but again this hinges on a crucial point….is the bible all that God will ever say to this world? is God done talking to mankind? if we adopt the bible is the end be all of Gods word then praying is even pointless because God will reveal no more to mankind for the bible is the end of His dealings with man. tell me do you believe God can answer prayers? if you do you believe then God can add to His word as an answered prayer is God adding more to the bible for an answered prayer is God’s word and God’s word is the bible as well as such any answered prayer can be added to God’s word without issue can it not? God said it for he answered the prayer. so if you believe God can answer your prayers you yourself are a hypocrit who presumes the bible is the end of His dealings with mankind.

    again i refute your arguments. i have been kind and respectful and here my christian religion has been insulted and attacked and even been subject to mockery. people here have assumed i worship the devil even!!….hey a christian attacking a christian sounds like some bible stories i know….

    i had hoped for an honest open discussion but i see now that is not going to happen as it has devolved into continuous lies and slander of my christian faith tis a shame.

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    • Kayne —

      We exchanged our ideas on Lillith and the Nephilim. That was not an attack. I then made the point of saying I do not adhere to LDS doctrine for point of clarification for other readers. There are many doctrines I do not adhere to just as I am sure there are doctrines I adhere to that you do not. That is not an attack on me.

      You then wanted to discuss Mormon doctrine which I respectfully declined. I understand your beliefs but I do not agree with them. And I know your beliefs are based in other texts outside of the Bible which is your right and prerogative. But as I said, this site sticks to the Bible as the full revelation of The Word of God. You do not, which is again, not an attack on me. It’s just your belief.

      I referred to to the Decker website because he has regularly dialogue with Mormons who want theological discussion. He also regularly interviews ex-Mormons for the information he posts. If you have points to make on those topics, I would direct them to him because he will certainly respond and engage in a good debate.

      As for the endowment ceremony, I posted it in case you had not reached that level yet. But I am not concerned about breaking oaths, because I have taken no oaths to the Mormon temple. And my sharing a link of a video of your temple service is not mockery. I am just making the point that it seems quite similar to Freemasonry (along with the extra emphasis on oaths, secrecy etc.).

      I apologize if I offended you my remarks came off as an attack or slander. We obviously have very fundamental theological differences, which is why I declined to have further debate on this topic. But please know You are welcome to share your thoughts here.

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  57. Hello! Very nice articles with full of love towards God & Jesus Christ! God’s Wisdom is truly upon you.

    Maybe it is not appropriate to post such things here & I apologize if it is so, but as I myself have studied wide range of different spiritual teachings and landed now back to Bible and Jesus Christ so i decided to post here some sections from the Book Of Enoch which maybe explains abit more about this nephilim issue. (and sorry for my english mistakes cos this is not my main language)

    CHAPTER VI.
    1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.’

    CHAPTER VII.
    1. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

    And

    Concerning some other spiritual teachings if angels decide to show themselves to people they need to lower their light vibrations and condense physical matter into their formed visible bodies. So if we consider that in those old times some angels descended from spiritual realms in order to take visible form so they lowered their light vibrations and due to it also lowered their consciousness. That means they maybe lost once they took their bodies their direct connection to God and became vulnerable to all addictions & weaknesses humans had. Maybe some angelic (i mean real godly angelic which is not fallen yet) possession if we can call it in tha term can produce even fertilization. Maybe 1st offspring of giants was conceived so.

    And

    Concerning old ages and civilisations on Earth, then maybe if there was such which we call Atlantis. And because scriptures mention name Anak, then in relation to Atlantean civilisation Anak were the Sons Of God who came to Atlantis from Sirius (they were the feathred serpents, probably also fishmen; and most likely Biblical fallen angels). They then taught atlanteans all their godly knowledge and brought to world 1st Ark Of Covenant. And they most surely procreated with atlanteans producing offspring which was called An-Anak (Anakim; giants; who erected Pyramids and other monolithic structures; Abu Simbel is one place on Earth who depicts those all different human and giant physical sizes as they once really were on Earth). Anyways An-Anaki in the end corrupted all godly knowledge, fell into evry kind of sin and cannibalism and almost whole nation became black magicians. Accounts describing fall on Atlantis through great deluge and earthquakes to destroy all their genetic, cloning etc dark experiments and forbidden dimensional gates to summon demons to walk and live on Earth (maybe in cloned bodies etc)…

    Concerning Noah and continuanity of nephilims after Deluge then one old account states that:
    „When Noah came near the end of his building, he found that three planks were missing, and
    that he could not complete the ark without them. These planks were brought to Noah from
    Egypt by Og, son of Anak. Upon receiving the planks, Noah agreed to save the life of Og, if
    he would agree to his contract. “I will save you, but only if you promise to be a slave to my
    descendants.” Og agreed to Noah’s terms and became the only one of the giants who was
    permitted to survive the Flood.“
    Because giant was big he wasnt inside with others but was tied outside on roof of Ark…

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  58. when you speak of god dont you mean enki the maker of us all,ie adams calander 260,000 yr old site south africa,humans geneticaly made the slave race,isen,t that happening know with the new world government.

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  59. Lionheart says:

    B&E:
    Excellent post IMHO. I asked The Lord to give me some additional illumination as I refreshed my knowledge of Genesis, and I immediately found this webiste. I am teaching a few lessons to a church boxing club that includes Christians, Muslims, and atheists — mostly college students. They especially enjoy learning about the wars, giants, and even Abraham.

    Regarding the Nephillim, I would like your response to Henry M. Morris in The Genesis Record thus: “Fallen angels have no possibility of salvation, but fallen men and women do have at least this possiblilty. What, then, would be the case with ‘people’ who were half-angel, half-men?”

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  60. I have a book coming out in 3 to 4 weeks that will explain a lot of the mystery’s of The Nephilim – Giants in the Bible . The book is called The Lost Ancients

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  61. hi everybody i find all this very interesting,i am a novice ive got my information from the internet most of it,if you look up michael tillinger on you tube ,the information he gives you comes from the summerian tablets and it mentions enki [reptilian ] humankind the slave race,whether things happened before that i dont know,some of these historic sites,show reptilians,also most if not all ancient religions talk about serpents and dragons,the sumerians as it says ie giants ,after the death of king solomon the tribes twelve in all parted ,im sure sure it was judas sons,were kicked off the holy lands by the summerians,not all left i beleive there were 40,000 left they became slaves,the rest embarked on a journey,and fled to europe,the americas britain china etc.ie the lost tribes of israel,i am sure they are of a certain bloodline.
    obviousley for example people dont realise there were giants in britain and every else america there were also humans there as well,i im sure that when i was researching the lost tribes they were mentioned in the hebrew bible,and even gave the names of them in welsh and english,know they say the hebrew bible is 9- 10,000 thousand years old but i have a feeling it is older not that i have proof,these tribes were obviousley in europe before the hebrew bible was written,from the time of enki 260,000 to the great flood,doe,s anybody realy know the true dates,the dates of enki came from the summerian tablets,was there anything before that,they were mining gold enki that is,and so was solomon,know here is one for everybody,it dosen,t mention in the bible about the ice age,strange how all the animals seemed different after that,evolution says they just appeared out of know where i dont beleive that,nothing would of survived those conditions,so do we have another scenario like the flood,where GOD or the Gods started again,or was there know ice age in the first place,what do you guys think.

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  62. hi everyone back again anyone researched michael tillinger yet,apparently there were two waring gods
    any way for a while know i have been watching the news,and you know what they say,always read the small print,funny that they mention somebody has produced the god gene,hobbits been found,giant gene
    ie irish,space craft to be revilled in 2015,know dident they say a few years ago that they. were going to take people too the moon.it seems to me that all the programmes we have been watching over the years,ie star trek-V-pan-spiderman-lord of the rings-man from atlantis,etc,there seems to me that the gods maybe telling us something,also china revilles one of there emperors has the mummy remains of a unicorn,clash of the titans,pegusus the last remaining one,also the kracken,i should imagine it was a giant squid,you know the one they show in the books old sailors tales,star trek beem me up scotty do you think thats how the angels came down to earth,and how they visited god,michael tillinger talks about port holes,caw blimmey just saw a gorgoyle,by for know….

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  63. by the way folks look up [how did the nephilim return before the flood you tube] most of you already have i expect.

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  64. hi there
    i recently mentioned about the god gene exposed by scientists also talk about genetically producing neathandrafel man ,both these are from news sites on well known uk sites,know Tillinger talks about this and also Zachary Zitchen,where they introduce the human gene to the neathandrafel,most probably they already have worrying stuff don’t you think? Also was the ark of the convent a weapon of mass destruction,
    a lot of biblical events happening at the moment in the world,tsunami ,lots of snow,floods,dust storms,locusts,illness,explosions on the sun,what next i say,how about this one Russia saying to the united states tell the world about aliens or we will,this has all come from news sites around the world.i would just like to say in all these events around the world Lets hope every body stays safe.
    ps conspirecy theorists say that most of us have the gene of cain some more than others,i myself was born blonde with blue eyes,still not sure what that means i just hope thats good news,can anyone enlighten me on this comment i am know dark with blue eyes very strange,regards notsrub.

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  65. I have grown up going to a good Bible believing church my whole life, I’m 63, and have been studying this for some time now. This is the first time I have seen this put so plainly that anyone should be able to understand it. This makes the Bible come alive for me. The one thing I believe is this is where the different races began, genes from different fallen angles causing different features and colors. This is in no way saying one race is better then the other just different. There are three main races which all races came from as I have understood it from school. I believe these came from the three women on the Ark.
    The one thing which people need to understand, Jesus died for everyone who came from the line of Noah, he is our savior no matter the race. Another thing, even if this is not what happened as the Bible is not completely clear on all of this, if you believe in Jesus and follow him you will be saved. This to me is interesting history but not why I believe in Christ.

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  66. EZRA PRINCE says:

    Hai BaE;
    It’s such a very good article.Got some clear views about creation.Looking forward for page 2.Did the nephlims descendents continued to live in new testament ages.Do they still exist ?and will they come once again in last days as quoted in daniel 2:41-43.

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  67. do you think this is where Greek Gods came from? stories of these giants?

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  68. if you believe this bs you’re all a bunch of blazing idiots

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  69. Enjoyed reading. Looking forward to part 2

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  70. When a child of the Beast ascends to the height,
    The time of The End is clearly in sight.
    As it was in the days before the great flood,
    When the evil then intermingled with good,
    And God cleansed the earth of the seed of the Liar—
    That time by water, this time by fire.

    But the children of God will be saved from that day.
    In the Ark of His love we will all fly away.

    ms

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      I really like your poem! Did you write it? I’ve tried to find the name and author but can’t. I’d like to know that info if you don’t mind and also, is that all of it or is there more? Thanks!

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  71. Hi every one
    So if these conspiracy theorists are right about reptillian bloodlines,ie royal bloodlines,doe,s that make them the imposters,and us the majority of the worlds public the real ROYAL BLOODLINE what do think

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      Hi Notrub! I agree that many of us ARE of the real royal bloodline: 1 Peter 2:9 & 10 “But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.” :-)

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  72. Calvinistic Christian says:

    I was just wondering if someone could explain how the Virgin Mary became pregnant by the Holy Spirit,There was no sexual relations involved at all.Dont get me wrong I believe the account by faith but dont understand How it came about,maybe someone could break the passage down in the Greek language and explain.

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    • hi
      DNA INSEMINATION

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      Hi Calvinistic Christian! Regarding your question:

      “I was just wondering if someone could explain how the Virgin Mary became pregnant by the Holy Spirit,There was no sexual relations involved at all.”

      God spoke it. That is how he created everything, He just spoke it and it happened. When His angel spoke His word to Mary and she agreed to do it, she left there pregnant. She verifies that with her last sentence of response to the angel….”Let it be to me according to your word.” Have a good day! :-)

      Luke 1: 28 “And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”[c]

      29 But when she saw him,[d] she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

      34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

      35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing will be impossible.”

      38 Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.”

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      • Amen.

        And let’s remember that Adam was created with no human mother or father. And Jesus, as Scriptures tell us, is “the last Adam”, so it is no surprise that His earthly conception was supernatural as well.

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  73. Noname Simba says:

    The article makes for an interesting read. Since I began hearing about Nephilim a lot of speculation has been confirmed. However; now there are a number of new questions that arise. Without going into loads of detail I would just like to say that I appreciate the clarity of the article.

    I am not apposed to YEC or evolutionary creationism but rather hold that maybe the earth itself is old, but human existance is somewhat recent. I say this because it just seems that the earth in all its beauty and wonder was perhaps conditioned to be so with all the millions of species that have enjoyed walking the earth, swimming the seas or flying through the air. Because of the size of the various creatures and vegetation I believe it holds that our atmosphere, and even the universe, was created for us so that God Himself would enjoy a natural existance through our stewardship. We, through demonic influence, have sinned and caused this existance to fail, but because of insights in this article it seems this may be by design. Every constant that keeps us alive and able to thrive was, no doubt, conditioned by past events. Modern humans could not have lived under the same conditions of 250,000 years ago.

    Now with all that said; the natural effects of the Second Law of Thermodynamics will contribute to the decay of all matter to the point where the existance of mankind’s soul, solely, (no pun intended) depends on faith in God. The sacrifice of Christ is our only means of making it into the spiritual realm for if we deny Him what other way exists? No other belief carries the component of grace through faith so in essence there is no other way but through Christ. (John 14:6 ~ Jesus saith unto him,I am the way the Truth and the Life: No man cometh unto the Father, but by me.)

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    • HI THERE
      Replying to your comments,my own thoughts on Dinasaurs is they were most probably early experimentaions,also there is proof that giants existed millions of years ago and also early man there have been foot-prints found for both,also if you look at some early forbidden archeology ie ancient drawings show dinosaurs were still around before the flood happened,has some of know we haven,t always been told the truth.

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  74. These men are Nephilim. They are here in flesh as humans. They look human. They are sons of Anuk. Look egyptian. Some are mixed in other races of people. They eat flesh and drink blood. They will tell you they are Gods. They can dominate you like a giant. Their kind of wedding is a feast of humans. They chose wives without the woman knowing. They wait for daughters and daughters-daughters. They wait for harvest. Blood is wine to them. Flesh is bread. Many women will fall for them and will be murdered. They will even come in women’s dreams and sleep with them but behind the curtain they put claim on these women’s flesh. They say they are hero’s of old but they are cursed and do not care. They eat their own flesh (children). They kill and are evil. They want you to worship their false Gods…. like Jesus, Yeshua, Allah. Any bible that speaks of harvest is murder. They speak of Chaldeans… that is them. Very hard to beat them. They are serpent seed. They can dominate you but go for women in trickery. They do use some kind of sorcery. In a blink of an eye they will change. In a blink of an eye… they blink and their eyes turn black. As one told me they reign here. They call us lambs. They will eat your flesh and drink your blood. They have even dominated bibles. Their teaching of eating flesh and drinking blood. They want you to lay your life down and give it to them. They will say anything and hold anything against you for you to lay your life down. They will say they are righteous and we are wicked. That they are sons of God and we are their slaves and servants. One that is here is the beast from the ocean. Looks egyptian and he is nephilim. He preyed on Jerusalem since birth and claimed her as his concubine and her daughter is a servant. He is after the woman in the end times. The woman dressed by the sun (her skin is of golden shine) her mother is under her feet (woman’s face on the moon) and will take away her grand child her daughters-daughter. One child that a nation was born in one day…. grandchild has over 12 races. To him the child is rich in blood. House of Israel. He watched and preyed over this family in the midst. He wants blood… rich blood. Jerusalem and daughter Zion and new Jerusalem. Many name changing in the bible but all one house (temple). Yes the house of Israel turned their back from that God. They do not believe in sacrifice nor eating flesh and drinking blood. The beast from the ocean calls himself god to them. He set Jerusalem up to fall and go after her daughter and grandchild. Pre-planned murder. Living water to the beast. The biggest deceit and murder of all times…. but many are blind but of course they are because this king wants everyone to be on his side. The beast wants to win and that is him constantly in the bible speaking to Jerusalem who is Ephraim. King Solomon after Jerusalem (off springs of house of David) and then lusting off her daughter Zion. Like I said many name changing but all the same people. Not a good lust… lust of flesh to eat. Mother will be killed and she is the moon turning blood red. Hopefully then she is the Lamb that will bring wrath on these wicked men and what they have done. Purposely mixed breeds, planned murder, prey on the innocent, make people worship false gods and murdering religions. We will all be dead before you can figure out the bible and how they picked and chose what to put in it and hide alot of real truths. The woman on the moon can break your whole bible down for you but why would she when the devil himself told many a false prophet will come. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (house of Israel) without judgement … forgive them for they did not know. They didn’t know what was planned by the devil all along……. Jerusalem weeps at night and cries to God for help.

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    • hi there
      i can tell you through research that there will be a new israel,the old one will be destroyed,the new one is london england,the new house of israel will be st pauls cathedral built by mr wren the building is of the same dimentions as solomons temple,how do i know this a one off television programme on one of the discovery channels,they were telling the story of the lost tribes,as too your story you told i do already know this,i would like to take a few few off them out if i had the chance,when you are open minded you see more clearly than before i have already seen a few,unfortunately it wasen,t possible to get my hands on them,never mind hopefully i will get the chance,beware of new pope PETROS ROMANUS PETER THE ROMAN,god bless.

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      Hmmmm! That sounds a lot like my ex-husband. Do they also eat sardines straight out of the can and clean their own teeth with a pocket knife? Do they have no need for deodorant because they never perspire? Do their eyes turn black only when they don’t get their own way? I think you have described what are unfortunately all too human conscienceless beings. Nephilim are far worse. Either way, Jesus has overcome both of these creatures as well as the world. If you ask God to show you that He is real, He will show you. :-)

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      • notsrub says:

        hi cathy
        well he better hurry up and make an appearance because these people are making there move,ie,THE NEW WORLD ORDER,just look at whats going on in the world,not very nice things these nephilim are they.

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      • notsrub says:

        HI THERE
        just thought i would say talking about the bloodlines from egypt,did you know there are pyrimids in bosnia
        and apparantley south of france,well i never they seem to be popping up every where at the moment,more nephilim to deal with,what chance have we got.

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        • Kathy Cavoores says:

          Hi Notsrub! What chance have we got? Read Revelation 18. Their judgment is already written. The fight has already taken place and we won. :-)

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          • notsrub says:

            hi kathy
            could you enlighten me further please has i do not read the bible,regards notsrub

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            • Kathy Cavoores says:

              Hi Notsrub. In a nutshell, God has already judged these creatures as well as all evil. Their end is described in Revelation 18 & 19….exactly what will happen. That judgment was pronounced long ago. It’s like they have been found guilty but the sentencing has yet to take place. Jesus came into the world so that every human being (who is really guilty and deserves to be condemned) has a chance to escape that punishment. Jesus took the punishment of death Himself. If you accept Jesus and His sacrifice, ask God to forgive you and He will forgive you. You can also escape that judgment. That is the good news….that we can have peace with God. No matter what happens on the earth God is taking care of us and when we leave here, we will go to Heaven.
              It would be good for you to get a Bible or read one in the library. If you go to any church they will probably give you a Bible. What I just told you in the above paragraph is in John 3:16-21. :-)

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            • Kathy Cavoores says:

              Actually, Notsrub, you can read the Bible on line. Here’s a good site I like.
              http://www.biblegateway.com :-)

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              • hi kathy
                notsrub again,are we on the same wave length,do you beleive in Aleins for instance Anu the father of enki and enhil,the two waring half brothers of the annunaki of the sumerian tablets or do beleive in a different god.i have been reading some facinating stuff at the moment,you must look at it always keeping an open mind,look up WHO IS ENKI —-ENKI SATANS VICTORY GOD CREATOR OF MANKIND. ESTELLE NORA HARWIT ARMARNI .Tthere other people on this sight as well,keep in touch,regards notsrub

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                • Kathy Cavoores says:

                  Hey Notsrub! I believe in one God (who is three Persons)… Father Almighty, Creator of all things visible and invisible…Lord Jesus Christ the Only Begotten Son of God and the Holy Spirit.
                  Jesus came down from heaven, and became a man; was born of the Virgin Mary and crucified.
                  He was buried and rose from the dead after three days. He ascended into heaven and sat at the right hand of God. Jesus will come again to judge the living and the dead.
                  Meanwhile, He sent the Holy Spirit (who is also God) to be with us, teach us, protect us.
                  Any other “gods” were created by Him so I wouldn’t be interested in worshiping them. I am familiar with the ones you mentioned and I don’t like them. I don’t want them hanging around me and I don’t want to even say their name. Those sumerians are gone aren’t they? They were overwhelmed by the kingdom of God (Christianity) long ago. Nothing is left of them but a bunch of rocks. :-)

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              • HI KATHY
                sorry forgot to reply about your ex hubby how very uncuth of him you should of told him to eat tinned tuna
                there arent so many bones in it,also you should of sent him around to me i could of filled some of his gaps in ,with mortar,by by regards notsrub

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      • notsrub says:

        hi there
        by the way kathy, when is enki elhil going to make an appearance.

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        • Kathy Cavoores says:

          Hi Notsrub! I think your above named friend has already made an appearance. He didn’t do too well. There is only one Name and one Person who has been given all power in Heaven and in earth.
          Acts 4:10-12
          10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

          11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

          12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
          Blessings to you! :-)

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    • notsrub says:

      HI GINA
      Interesting stuff what can you tell me about the serpent seed or reptillian,CREDA MUTA Talks about reptillians ,sacheri sitchen books talks of the annanuki but they were giants ie Enki ENIL there farther Anu by the way i think that stands for Adam,this is where it gets confusing sitchen says ENKI was a scientist man was made by them,two warring half brothers Enki wanted man to have the knowledge that they had ie power technology,science to be able to reproduce,where as enhil wanted us to be dumb and just be good slaves,know where doe,s the reptillian come into it,ie MUTWA they were tall and feeble looking blighters ,THE SuMMARIAN TABLETS say Enki was the scientist,so where doe,s the reptillian come into it,it doe,s show a serpent in the garden of eden or in other books it shows a reptillian figure i have also seen in ancient writings of reptillian figures dressed in armour in battle seen along with humans,are we looking at other forces ie other extra- terestials was ENKI A REPTILLIAN MUTWA says they came out of the earth or portholes,get back to me please ,regards notsrub.

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      • Zechariah Sitchin has been thoroughly debunked. He is not an ancient languages scholar and his work is has been discredited by serious ancient Semitic academics. Here is a site by ancient near eastern expert that goes through Sitchin’s phony findings and debunks them with real substantive evidence:

        Sitchin is wrong website.

        Additionally, the Ancient Aliens TV Show has also been debunked. It’s “research” has been shown to have been way off and grossly inaccurate when held up to appropriate academic standards. Here is a documentary that covers this:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ

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  75. charles thompson says:

    Angels do not have a body. Angels are spirits and cannot produce sperm and seamen.They have come in the form of men but, God has not given them the ability to produce offspring.It would serve no purpose, since angels never die. It would make more sense to say, that the sons of Seth saw that the daughters of Cain were fair, and took them as wives, Cain and his children became part of secular society. God always has His people set apart from the world. When the sons of Seth took the daughters of Cain, they mixed the bloodline causing a giant race of people. There were giants after the flood. They were not as big as before. You may notice that these large people always come from Pagan nations.

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      Dear Mr. Thompson: You say “It would make more sense to say, that the sons of Seth saw that the daughters of Cain were fair, and took them as wives,” Do you mean the BIBLE would make more sense if it said what you think it should say? I must believe that the Bible is absolutely correct because if it were wrong, God is big enough to change it. And, He certainly has a vested interest in correcting any errors. Fortunately we have the Holy Spirit who also (besides the Bible) confirms what is true and what isn’t. Genesis 6 seems clear that these were some type of angels and not humans…..otherwise why bother to even tell us of the mating or say that the women were daughters of men. Your version of the story is what doesn’t make sense to me. :-)

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  76. brian keogh says:

    were are these giant skelotons?

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    • HI BRIAN
      yes you are right to a certain degree,it all depends on individual geno,because there are still giants in the world today,know whan i was born i had blond hair blue eyes,i know have darkish hair blue eye,s,well people say you must be german then,know it goe,s further back than that,it goe,s back to the time of noah he had blonde hair blue eyes,and he was a giant his tomb is in turkey and his coffin is 30 ft long and he died at the age 950 yrs old,regards notsrub

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    • notsrub says:

      hi brian
      apparently before the ww11 most museums in the world had giant skeletons on display,then when television came about they mysteriously disapeared know if you go on you tube and look up nephilim giant skeletons,there are still people 8ft tall walking the earth know,look up steve qaule he has brought a book out about giants,regards paul

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  77. Bible’s only hold some truths. They have dominated the bible. Jews know of Lilith. Who was Adams wife first. She was reptilian which is Nephillim. I call them reptiles. Now what people need to know is that there were people on the out skirts of the garden. We all did not come from that garden. Cain feared the ones on the outside of the garden. Jesus is one of them. The teaching of wine skin is flesh and wine is blood. They are very sneaky about their deceit. Book of Enoch speaks of them. The original book. The Most High says they are cursed and eat flesh and drink blood. They want to prove mankind is of sin so they can kill you. They are hear in flesh like regular men and women. They are the ones that the bible speaks of as men of reown. Old hero’s. They love to brag and boast. The Catholic church is the beasts whore. They babtize you and put something in the water to began their curses. That is the bruising of the head. A curse. The Catholic church turns you over to them.Tha’ts how you will become light to the dark.You are light to them. Your blood is living water. They can smeel you and see you coming and you don’t even know. The beast of the ocean is nephillim. He says he is the beast of the ocean because women are fish to him. He goes to the ocean and looks for women. Everyone thinks end times will be big but no it is very small and no one will notice what will happen. The beast calls women “Booty”… basically bait to him. We try to look to the bible for answers but the Romans have control and pick what they choose to put in the bible.Plus it is the secret Nephillim bible. They hide real truth from us. Any dead scroll found they immediately take hold of it. They don’t want anyone knowing the real truth. They pick and choose what they want in their bible. When a child is born they use a child for a vessel (host) also. These men can dominate your women. They are powerful in sorcery and science but they are cursed and use curses. When you read the bible you have to see the wedding at Canaan is not good. It is about murder and sacrifice. When they speak of the bride of the church its of murder. The thief of the night coming. Women fall for this stuff. Its all of murder. Jesus says women of JerUSAlem do not weep for me..weep for your daughters and your daughters-daughters. If he cared he would say to weep for him. Jesus means just-us and just-us is just them in a small alliance to come and kill. We are a multitude of stupid beasts to them. We are nothing to them. The new Pope and all the others are them but the beast of the ocean works for them and hides in the midst. I do not know why they lie and call him the anti=christ when he wants to christ you. Eat your flesh and drink your blood. they will continue to lie and say their bible is secret mysteries. Usually you will not figure them out until your life has become “booty” to them and your dead. Everything in the bible is symbolic…. True man kind was on the outer part of the garden. Only reptilian breed (Nephillim) was in the garden like a reptile would be and Eve was a slave. Lilith left Adam because she dominated him and was made of the same as him. She even told Adam she will eat his children from Eve. Adam and Lilith were serpent race… Nephillim.

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      Hi Gina! I hope you don’t really believe all that stuff you wrote. That would be very depressing and of course untrue. In fact, that is the worst blasphemy I have ever heard. I am praying for you to be delivered. In the mean time, the movie this site recommended is really good if you really are interested in the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ

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  78. Yes I do believe that and I know that. I am so sorry your religion and the people who put what they want in your bibles have you under mind control. That is what they want to do. They have destroyed much evidence of ancient history. Your bible only wants your mind to be on one god… a flesh eating and blood drinking god. Many women who have claimed they have seen the thief in the night in their dreams have gone missing. What part do you not understand that you let the murderer live. I fear for many of you women and your daughters. I know the history of Egyptians and their god Isis.. but he goes by many names because he loves to brag and boast. Your bible matches the T to them. Hidden mysteries in your bible are not that hard to figure out. Women just so love to be the bride of the church and they have no idea what will happen to them. You explain booty to me…. I know very well what it means. The man (beast of the ocean) says that word all the time. Rehobeth is in your bible and that is where he loves to go. He stays on the Atlantic part of the USA. Delaware is where he lives. Smyrna is in DE…angel of Smyrna. Angel of Philadelphia is close by where the choicest foods are… Boothwyn is where they sell human meat at the amish market. I sit in the heart of the mess. Get a map. Dear I know very much. Many love Paul in your bible but you never read the explanation parts at the bottom of your book. He will tell you that Jesus means JUST-US. A clan of murderers. He tells you there were 2 messiahs. One was the murderer released. The other Messiah was named Yahweh. Don’t forget that jesus like he said means Just-us. Like they say when you see your God you will die. When the thief of the night comes for you and takes you to him and the door closes behind him… you will never be seen again. The thief of the night is Nephillim and looks Egyptian. Lies I wouldn’t tell. Go to a Catholic church and bring home some samples of their wine and bread and have it tested for human flesh in it and human blood mixed with the wine. You will be shocked! Does it even surprise anyone how your pope does the sign of the beast on his right hand. Don’t get mad..just google his pictures and see for yourself. These are the same wicked men that control what is put in your book. Like they told me…they dominate here. Love your children with all your heart and protect them plus be watchful for their dreams. Watch what they get into many are falling for this illuminati which belongs to the beast also. Many children are doing this sign on their right hand. This man comes in your dreams as like a soul mate. Beware if you or your child has a dream that mentions the name jerusalem. Jerusalem is turtle doves (women and daughters). That is very serious and deadly!

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  79. HI EVERY ONE

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  80. good article but a little too much.

    I do not agree with wives of sons of Noah being corrupted by Neplihm DNA, makes no sense at all.
    If they have corrupted bloodline then shouldn’t they be giants?

    because when an angel sleeps with a woman and the woman gives birth, the child grows up in height at a faster rate. So I have no idea how the wives can bear the giant gene code.
    it’s not as if giants spread out a ‘giant disease’ or sexual transmitted disease via blood:/

    but as the bible says, they were there in those days an also now! meaning the now angels who are in part with controlling the world are the ones slept with Anak women.
    Also don’t we have humans today that are 14feet tall? is that weird genetic coding or sign of Nephilim?

    also do angels have the ability to reproduce? how can they sleep with woman and then the woman gets pregnant?
    Remember Jesus said we will not give into marriage in heavens but be like the angels in heaven.
    my theory is that when a woman is pregnant, the angels then took them as wives and slept with them, their powers transferring to the sperm/fetus/baby inside them.

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    • Hi Xino,

      Thanks for your comments. I know the idea of angels conceiving children with human women seems odd and is not taught in many churches. But that does not change what the Scriptural account says. Is there any Scripture from the article you think was misinterpreted? If so, just let me know. I’d be happy to discuss it.

      As for Jesus saying angels in Heaven do not marry, it is my interpretation that The Lord was referring to Holy Angels, not rebellious, evil angels.

      As for 14 foot people existing today, I have never heard of this. The tallest person on record was 8’11″, so that’s far shorter than 14ft. Thanks again for your thoughts. God bless.

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  81. Brian Michael Flickinger says:

    I find this very interesting . I was taken by a group of men dressed like Jesus when I was 19 . This happened instantaniously . I was in my room in Brockton Ma. one second and the next second I was in a desert , standing around a fire that was encircled by stones , each man called out to me ” GOD ” and I replied ” YES ” , after the last called out , I was back in my room as quickly as you can blink . I am not saying I am the chosen one , I am just stating that there are indeed GODS among us and that in the end , death of the flesh can rise as though it had never passed . I do not fear my brother (” SATAN “) , I pity him and wonder why his ego got the best of him , and why he would allow countless lives to be spoiled over his jelousy for fathers favor .

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  82. Why does the seed of the Nephiim have to be carried on the ark? Since the seed came from spirits that took on physical form to mate with women, more could easily have done the same after the flood. The flood did not kill satan or his minions. This makes sense, as had the seed of the devil or his minions been with Noah’s family, God would have told Noah to leave that person behind. God told Noah to bring his three sons and their wives, and since he was trying to get rid of the nephilim, why would he let them catch a ride?

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  83. HI THERE

    ENKI,S MOTHER WAS REPTILLIAN it was ADAM that sinned LILETH was a SLAVE the NEW TESTAMENT

    IS A CONTROL MECHANISM BY THE ONES THAT WALK AMONG US I HAVE SEEN TWO OF THESE BEINGS ,before i could not see them but know i can the two i have seen are in the media one is female the other a man,weird stuff.

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  84. HI THERE
    The ones that walk among us are called by many names [archons] chitatari] igigi] the were slaves of the summerians until the revolt,they also took human woman for wives,some live in the earth,so simplesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

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  85. I agree about the perplexity of the situation that these nephilim are in on the question of being born into damnation… It appears that angels and demons are indeed different. Angels have a choice to make with free will. Man has free will and a choice. Will God give everyone a choice but the nephilim? Are they literally born corrupt, as a genetic matter? If so, even if they had a choice, they would make the eight one? Perhaps? Pethaps God knows they would not. The book of Enoch is not scripture, but it is interesting that in it, God has Enoch tell the fallen angels that he will not resurrect the offspring they are so proud of, but will leave them wandering the earth looking for bodies to live in. Is God using the spirits of the dead nephilim to bear witness to the truth, given so many people have been bothered by them? There must be a reason for all of this.

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  86. Nomadic Eclectic says:

    Hello fellow bible scholars!

    What an incredible topic and in some instances, debate. Its so good to have open discussion over these topics as so much of the bible is oft left out of the church. As a result the whole message is lost. I am very happy to have found this website as i no longer am in contact with “hungry” bible friends open to unpopular doctrine.

    So I had a point/ question i wanted to inject into the conversation and look forward to the various feedback. We agree that the sons of god were angels, that the fallen angels were once angels as well. Thus if Lucifers 1/3 fell along with him, would not the sons of God be of the 2/3 of Gods angels? Therefore having taken from God (referring to the book of Enoch now) and why they are then seperated and defined as Watchers, cursed by God. So to some effect there are many enemies of the Lords people, Satans fallen, the Nephalim, and a kind of third party the watchers

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    • Nomadic Eclectic says:

      So to use the refrences (Job 38:4-7 & Job 1:6-7 ) you gave (B & E) would not that support the idea that those b’nai ha Elohim how interbred with mankind to produce Nephalim were the angels of God, not those of the already fallen? Would really love to get some feedback on this as I am so impressed with the thorough reaserch and way of handling “hecklers” btw.

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      • Hello B&E

        I fully understand what you said before. But as I said, I would suggest you view my entire series and THEN comment. Anything else would be unwise prejudgment. I will address some of your claims.

        You have now repeated that this is a “game”, but you have provided no evidence as to why the Septuagint is an invalid source. You have provided no evidence as to its errors and you have provided no evidence of the translators having issues with the etymology of the word “giant.” These are assertions that you should have ready historical resources to support (especially give that you have studied these specific issues).

        And you again miss my point. Your argument is the game. I never said the Septuagint is an invalid source. If you have done any substantive research on the Septuagint, you know that it cannot be blindly trusted. If you had done any substantive research on the etymology of the Greek word translated “giant,” you, again, would know that my claim is valid. The same is true of the Hebrew word “Nephilim.” You can go to the Blue Letter Bible online and look up the word “Nephilim” and plain as day it says “The etymology of this word is uncertain.” So just claiming that I provided no “evidence” is no argument. I am merely stating what the evidence from scholarship actually says, which actually shows you don’t read the literature.

        I am also well aware of what Numbers 13 says. But you also seem to want to ignore the clear exaggeration of the unbelieving spies. They were not literally like grasshoppers. Nor did the land literally “eat up” people. The unbelieving report was designed to scare Israel out of taking the land. They essentially LIED. And yet you want to take that lie and make doctrine out of it? You’ve got to do better than that.

        The context of the passage is the first source for the definition of a term. And here there is no question as to the meaning. The giants were indeed, giants. Men of superhuman height.

        I agree partially. But great height does not equal “superhuman.” Today, Sultan Kösen was just shy of being the exact size of Goliath, but are you trying to say he was the product of angelic/human reproduction? You gotta be kidding me. There is nothing “superhuman” about tallness.

        There are people today, and even before, who were almost as tall as Goliath. But I wouldn’t say that this was “superhuman,” a term the Bible never uses.

        Again, we are looking at context. What my point is that int the ENGLISH version of the KJV Bible, the word “folly” refers to sexual activity. I even provided a different translation from the Septuagint, which uses “perverseness” which again denotes illicit sexual activity. The translators, understanding the context of the various passages I cited (which all clearly were about wrongful sexual acts) opted to use the word “folly.” And the use in Job 4:18 is completely consistent with that.

        You still ignore the fact that the passages about sexual sin in context use a DIFFERENT Hebrew word than Job 4:18. And there is NO clear indication of sexual activity in Job unless you ASSUME it is speaking of your interpretation of Genesis 6. So you have no valid point here.

        The sons of God in Job chapters 1 and 2 are angels.

        I agree completely.

        The “children of the most high” in Psalm 82 are angels (again, something referenced in this article).

        No, they are not. Contextually, they are human judges, as Jesus Himself referenced in John 10:34, and as it should be obvious that angels cannot “die” at all, let alone die like men (vs 7 of Psalm 82).

        So to say the “sons of God” in Genesis 6 whose offspring were supernaturally sized men who became legends of the ancient world, were “mere humans” is actually an assumption on your part. The text does not support you.

        Actually, the immediate context of Gen. 6, with chapters 4 and 5 surrounding it speaking of two separate HUMAN lines just prior to chap 6, does support me. And again, you are assuming that they were actually “supernaturally sized” when the Hebrew does not support that claim.

        I know that you are very passionate about this issue and I completely respect that. I anticipate that we will remain at variance on this. But I think that the use of the Septuagint and the method of interpretation that relies on actual context and the Scriptures defining themselves by themselves are a valid way of understanding this text.

        I am passionate about the truth of God’s word properly interpreted. Everyone wants to read the Bible and claim what it says or means, but few are willing to do the hard work and research it takes to understand it correctly, to “rightly divide” it. That’s why I took the time to learn both Hebrew and Greek so that no “translation” can fool me or mislead me into false doctrine. So, I would again suggest you view my entire series and then render a review or attempt to defend your position.

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        • Nomadic Eclectic says:

          Well Arthur, I really have no idea why you decided to reply to my question, but thank you for diverting enough that no one will touch my actual question with a 10′ pole. May your question be as neglected as mine and some random comment divert the world from your point all of your days.

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          • I am not sure what you’re talking about, but I am sure it is meaningless to the issues I raised. I may have simply made a mistake and posted in the wrong area.

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  87. Katharina Franzen says:

    I have to say im not a very religous person but it made me think a lot. This is a very interesting article and I learned some new things that I did not know before. On esearch i give you10/10 and everything else.

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  88. just want to say yes i realize this is a late reply. that being said you DID attack me….you posted sacred parts of my religion….you attempted to use it to shock me…granted its possible i hadnt gotten that far and didnt know much about it but that still doesnt really change how you tried to use it. and if you watched the video which i guess you did though maybe you didnt you’d quite clearly see whoever did that is not supposed to have done that. whoever did that at least pretended to make an oath before God and decided to break it. you encouraged him being dishonest(whats that dont lie commandment….) and you mocked anothers religion and as i explained because the “two” Christs are the same person you mocked your own Christ whether you wish to admit that or not but the facts are sort of there that we believe in the same exact Christ. but hey i am used to christians looking down on mormons thanks for fitting that stereotype…

    we also did exchange points on LIlith and nephilliem that being said you barely countered any of my points or responded to hardly any of them and instead went on the attack parade. i responded to each of your points as best as i could and you still went off on me and ignored most of what i posted.

    that being said our difference in view is not the attack it was your blantant mockery of my faith and senseless insults and general ignoring of most of what posted to prove whatever my points which is poor debate skills. i think someone here even called me a devil worshipper i dont recall if that was you or someone else….but really it was all around a bad display from you and other commenters(of which i dont hold you responsible for free speech they should have it)

    i had originally hoped you would tell me how my points did not prove there was a Lilith which you just mostly ignored and how my points of it being the Same Christ were false but you ignored and why you think things like the book of enoch,jasher and jubilee are bad. since i liked your article i was hoping to see your opinions on those particular subjects not just nope its false and evil and *Inserts senseless insults* here. if i am wrong about Lilith then i was hoping you would of clearly counter pointed my posts since you seemed interested in replying(which kudos a lot of site masters dont reply) but one thing i really hoped to find out is why you are so bent on the fact that there can be no more bible? i am sure i mentioned this in a previous post.

    its a late reply but all is forgiven.

    Beginning and End:
    Kayne —

    We exchanged our ideas on Lillith and the Nephilim. That was not an attack. I then made the point of saying I do not adhere to LDS doctrine for point of clarification for other readers. There are many doctrines I do not adhere to just as I am sure there are doctrines I adhere to that you do not. That is not an attack on me.

    You then wanted to discuss Mormon doctrine which I respectfully declined. I understand your beliefs but I do not agree with them. And I know your beliefs are based in other texts outside of the Bible which is your right and prerogative. But as I said, this site sticks to the Bible as the full revelation of The Word of God. You do not, which is again, not an attack on me. It’s just your belief.

    I referred to to the Decker website because he has regularly dialogue with Mormons who want theological discussion. He also regularly interviews ex-Mormons for the information he posts. If you have points to make on those topics, I would direct them to him because he will certainly respond and engage in a good debate.

    As for the endowment ceremony, I posted it in case you had not reached that level yet. But I am not concerned about breaking oaths, because I have taken no oaths to the Mormon temple. And my sharing a link of a video of your temple service is not mockery. I am just making the point that it seems quite similar to Freemasonry (along with the extra emphasis on oaths, secrecy etc.).

    I apologize if I offended you my remarks came off as an attack or slander. We obviously have very fundamental theological differences, which is why I declined to have further debate on this topic. But please know You are welcome to share your thoughts here.

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    • Hi Kayne,

      If you go back to our discussion from months ago, I did apologize to you. And again, I apologize if you were offended by my posts. but I was posting my disagreement. I find it interesting that you call my posts about Momrnomism that disagree with its doctrine an attack because it is something you hold sacred. I hold the King James Bible sacred and yet you are saying a great deal of things about even though they are no in there at all. I just offer that for perspective. You have asserted a number of things about the Holy Word of God, that are not in the Word of God. I know for a fact that there is no record of Lillith or any other person in the Garden of Eden. The Bible is clear that Adam was created first, then Eve. But since you take other things like the Book of Mormon and the revelations of Mormon elders as equal or greater to God’s Word, you can inject all sorts of things into the biblical account that are never stated in any way. So a discussion/debate is futile because we have two very different standards of evidence.

      As for my points about why I disagree with Mormonism, I have every right to voice them. Make no mistake: I do not want to give the impression that we are yoked to my readership. That was my concern. Hence the articles. As for the video, it’s on youtube. It’s been on there for some time. I don’t know its maker and I didn’t encourage him to do anything. I don’t know how or what means he used to do it, so I can’t presume. Jesus Christ, in the Bible said He did nothing in secret, and to proclaim His Word from the rooftops. So if you believed that, you would not be upset about the video at all. Yet You seem to be very mad at its author but he never said what he did or did not do to make it. All that being said, I declined any lengthy debate about Mormon doctrine and that’s why I referred you to the site of an ex-Mormon who loves to debate Mormon doctrine. He can give you more information and discussion you seek. Please contact him. He devotes his site to these kind of debates.

      So again, I apologize if I came off as rude, but I do not apologize for my doctrine which is based 100% on the Bible. And I categorically believe that everything outside of it (the Book of Mormon, Watchtower society, Ellen G. White’s writing, etc.) are man-made doctrine and not God’s Word. So hopefully we can respectfully agree to disagree.

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      • i refuted you Lilith claim and ill refute it here again. you said

        “For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” – 1 Timothy 2:13-14.”

        fair enough…..however to draw the conclusion that this refutes Lilith is absurd and displays a poor understanding of Logic and the english language and genesis 1 and 2. assume Lilith is true for a moment so she is made first yes or rather about the same time as Adam?

        given that this statement says Adam was made then eve……in order to get the point you are trying to use it for you need an adjective….you need to say Adam was then immediately after eve was made. you must do this because you can i can i went to first grade then 12th grade. that is grammatically 100% accurate and not a lie.

        then if we use programming logic your conclusion makes even less sense. in programming you often need to use an “if then” logical loop. often times this means if this then that. you need to get to the “that”. lets call “that” F and the first if A. sometimes to get to F you must go through A,B,C,D,E and then finally F. however the logical point you program for is to get to from A to F and you treat as well if A then F but to get to F you must actually do if A then B if B then C if C then D if D then E if E then F however that still can be read as 100% valid logic if you say if A then F.

        so your conclusion of adam is made then Eve is true and fits Lilith and you cannot by simple grammatical structure of the english language and simple if then logic of math and programming jump to the conclusion that Eve is made immediately after Adam. you simply cant. it is a logically invalid statement. the statement could mean immediately after but it doesnt specify that. furthermore lets just throw in immediately after and read it

        For adam was first formed, then immediately after Eve.

        that sentence while accurate would benefit from an addition

        For adam was first formed, then immediately after Eve was formed.

        that is what that sentence must look like to conclude that. and even still just taking the genesis 2 story on the assumption of no Lilith Adam is around…some stuff happens…he names every creature(oddly another point in favor of Lilith is Adam remarking there is no helpmeet for him which begs the question why in the blue hell would adam or God expect a helpmeet to be found amongst non humans?) so clearly God does not do the immediately after bit which would make that addition which is needed to draw this conclusion false.

        in essence if that is your linchpin to disprove Lilith it fails on every front. if you are going to disprove Lilith you will have to do a lot better than that scripture. furthermore ive posted links and books of very compelling evidences to her existence that was i hoping you tell me how those in particular were false or someone here that seems to think Lilith is a myth. i was hoping to hear a counter side to that argument and i am still open to it. but that scripture fails the grammar and logic test and even the Genesis 2 test as God made Adam and other things happen before Eve pops up. so using this logic found in timothy and genesis Lilith which asserts she is made at about the same time as Adam you can logically say without or without Lilith this happened…..Lilith and Adam are made…..Adam goes to garden, tends it(in hebrew i think this translates to guards it), is now forbidden to eat of a specific tree which is contrary to genesis 1 where all trees are for meat, names all the animals, cant find a helpmeet amongst them, goes to sleep, and Eve is there when he awake.

        see Lilith fits into that 100% accurately. and in fact helps to explain the helpmeet bit, the change of commandments of what to eat, why he must guard the garden now, and if i am not mistaken the Hebrew reaction of Adam speaking about Eve is supposed to be “at this repetition or at this occurrence in other words i have seen a woman before this is the second one i see”

        see if Lilith is false tell me how some of this logic is false cause it sounds pretty solid to me. thats all i am asking disprove it and tell me how. but bear in mind i will take any attempts to tell me scripture and put them through the ringer. if you cant do that simply say so.

        as for not believing in things outside the bible i believe i asked this question before and you ignored so i hope youll answer….if you believe in God i assume you believe prayers can be answered? if so is that not the word of God? if that is the word of God then why is the bible the end of all the word of God? furthermore why do you think there can be no more word of God? this is a sincere question as i hear this a lot and it quite frankly doesnt make much sense. i also find this statement odd

        “And I categorically believe that everything outside of it (the Book of Mormon, Watchtower society, Ellen G. White’s writing, etc.) are man-made doctrine and not God’s Word.”

        you do realize the bible is at best a half truth right? its been altered considerably over the years. much of its divine inspiration is there yes but mankind has done what it does best corrupted something sacred so to say the bible is 100% factual is a bit of a stretch not when its been translated repeatedly over the years and altered. the bible is yes Gods word but it has suffered from a lot of mutilation and it is not 100% truth anymore. a simple understanding of history and human nature would yield this conclusion. so one can easily say the bible is partly man made in its current form. but because of this that is why you cannot paint the entire picture on the bible alone as its become somewhat corrupted its why non bible sources are needed and its why i question and am sincerely asking how you draw the conclusion that they arent needed or even valid. nevermind the fact the bible even references some of its lost books further cementing the proof that the bible is not the end of God’s Word.

        as for doing nothing in secret…..doesnt the bible also say

        But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

        here we seem to have God saying pray in secret…..and dont the old testament temples contain secret areas that were cut off from most people? so again God seems to condone some secrecy. the mormon temple and its secrecy reflects that.

        as for this

        “You have asserted a number of things about the Holy Word of God, that are not in the Word of God”

        the thing is i took the challenge which i admit was challenging…..found strictly bible sources to back up my claims as i tend to confuse the book of mormon stories and the bible and can rarely tell which is which in my head as they are both equally valid….but i went through backed up my claims with scripture in this case the bible and you didnt bother to say how i was wrong and kept clammoring to my use of non bible verses.

        it might sound like i am mad but i am not. i am simply saying you are saying things that arent entirely accurate(or just ignoring things) or you are half way engaging this debate resulting in poor work. i commend you for even replying as most sitemasters dont do that. or in some cases like that timothy verse i pointing out what i see as serious flaws in the logic of using the verse that way. if i am wrong tell me how i am wrong and fully debate what i have posted or simply say you lack any interest in it but dont post a response of how i am wrong and then fail to counter argument my argument. as for those ex-mormon sites….i find most ex-mormons have a stick up there rear end that wont go away and cant be reasoned with unless you denounce the entire religion. i find few ex-mormons that havent turned into bitter angry shells of a person for whatever reason. those sites are not good for any such discussion really from what ive been able to tell.

        kayne:
        just want to say yes i realize this is a late reply. that being said you DID attack me….you posted sacred parts of my religion….you attempted to use it to shock me…granted its possible i hadnt gotten that far and didnt know much about it but that still doesnt really change how you tried to use it. and if you watched the video which i guess you did though maybe you didnt you’d quite clearly see whoever did that is not supposed to have done that. whoever did that at least pretended to make an oath before God and decided to break it. you encouraged him being dishonest(whats that dont lie commandment….) and you mocked anothers religion and as i explained because the “two” Christs are the same person you mocked your own Christ whether you wish to admit that or not but the facts are sort of there that we believe in the same exact Christ. but hey i am used to christians looking down on mormons thanks for fitting that stereotype…

        we also did exchange points on LIlith and nephilliem that being said you barely countered any of my points or responded to hardly any of them and instead went on the attack parade. i responded to each of your points as best as i could and you still went off on me and ignored most of what i posted.

        that being said our difference in view is not the attack it was your blantant mockery of my faith and senseless insults and general ignoring of most of what posted to prove whatever my points which is poor debate skills. i think someone here even called me a devil worshipper i dont recall if that was you or someone else….but really it was all around a bad display from you and other commenters(of which i dont hold you responsible for free speech they should have it)

        i had originally hoped you would tell me how my points did not prove there was a Lilith which you just mostly ignored and how my points of it being the Same Christ were false but you ignored and why you think things like the book of enoch,jasher and jubilee are bad. since i liked your article i was hoping to see your opinions on those particular subjects not just nope its false and evil and *Inserts senseless insults* here. if i am wrong about Lilith then i was hoping you would of clearly counter pointed my posts since you seemed interested in replying(which kudos a lot of site masters dont reply) but one thing i really hoped to find out is why you are so bent on the fact that there can be no more bible? i am sure i mentioned this in a previous post.

        its a late reply but all is forgiven.

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  89. I’m looking for a church home where B&E type teaching is welcomed and not foreign… I live in KCMO and would like to be in fellowship with like minded believers. Grew up in a Baptist Church, they are still somewhat sterile. My wife is from in a charismatic home church, seen too many “thus sayeth the Lord”, utterances not live up to their billing and heard too much barking to be of sound mind. On the other hand, I’ve been a part of Calvary Chapel in Ft Lauderdale, they were quite with it. Nothing as far as I can see here in KC… any help would be welcome.

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  90. zxcvbnm zxcvbnm says:

    All bull. Adam/Eve were albinos with messed up DNA. Their offspring could be blonde, brown or black. Ham was black. Their nation came to be called the Land of Cush or Ethiopia. The boundary of Noah’s blood is the border of Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea and Tigray. Anything south of that is Negro territory (non-adamic) and thus non-human. As for the Nephilim or their fathers, the Watchers, they were the last of the last remnant of the Neanderthal man. Even they had a hierarchy – elders and gave orders to the lower ranks. The Watchers (neanderthal) looked after the human albinos but lower neanderthals broke ranks and had sex with blonde females to produce the Nephilim. Most or all of the Nephilim were killed. Watchers were so few. They died out or were killed. Neanderthals were big – 8 foot, 9 foot etc. We only have 4% of their genes. Cro-Magnon was our ancestor and was always white. Add to that the adamic race and a pinch of Neanderthal, you get the modern man – homo sapien sapien.

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    • hi there
      the annanuki,were here 450,000 yrs ago,to mine gold for there planet,here,s one for you,[the jews are the royal blood-line,they were held in the desert so they could not mate with the nephilim,only with themselves,ie keep the line going thats why they have been persecuted ,the nephilim giants before the flood were up to 36 ft tall,after the flood they appeard smaller,people do not realise the events before the flood it was over a very long period of time,a lot lot longer than what we have been told funny how they who manilulate us are begginging to mention the annanuki,srange that when the truth comes out they try and cover it up,yes the nephilim were nethandrefel,cross, meaning them who rule us have been doing there experiments with neathandrefel and humans dna ,they just had to get a host ,it has been all over the internet news in other words they most probabley did it twenty years ago

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    • hi everyone

      LOOK THIS UP FIND OUT WHERE YOU REALLY COME FROM

      RH NEGETIVE REGISTRY,ANNANUKI THEN CLICK ON THIS READER ET,S ELOHIYM KEEPERS OF THE CELTIC SECRETS,BYE NOTSRUB,,

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  91. Linda: Genesis 6:3 KJV
    And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he ALSO is flesh:

    Hi Linda, I really had to pray, read and think this over. I think that since we are part spirit and flesh, that this is what the verse meant, not necessarily that there was something/one else tat was flesh.

    In Christ,
    Camille

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  92. Rebbe Malik says:

    Excellent. The giants must have had disproportionately small genitals to interbreed with regular humans. Based on their size, they would have been immensely heavy (a 36′ tall giant would be 19 tons). The shape of humans and bipedal locomotion aren’t well suited for scaling up so large. A biped that big would be all but defenseless, being nearly unable to move. Also, the size of blood vessels and loads on the skeleton would mean fantastic blood pressure and excruciating osteoarthritis and ankylosis. Mercifully, they probably didn’t live very long: we know that modern-day giants (people over 8 feet tall) tend to live only half as long as normal-size people; you wouldn’t expect many biblical giants to reach puberty, much less into adulthood.

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  93. BluesnowZ07 says:

    haha someone tell me if this posts!!! I’ve been trying and trying haha ;)

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  94. Gregg Vickrey says:

    Great article, thanks. I look forward to reading more!

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  95. Sophia:
    The fallen angels infected EACH of Noah’s sons’ descendants; however, the genetic corruption was thorough and complete in JAPHETH’S descendants, via Gomer’s bloodline (Ashkenak (ashkenaz-disambiguation). The scriptures bear witness to this fact. The Nephilim rule the world today: they are Caucasians. They are the Son of Destruction.

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  96. Hi B &E
    There doesn’t seem to have been any more activity on this part of the chat since Feb this year? Anyway, I’d just like to call in and say thanks for confirming many thoughts that I’ve had regarding the Nephilim over the years. there was a Psalm, which also used the word (Nephal?) which seemed to indicate a second invasion by the Nephilim but beyond that, I couldn’t explain it myself. I’m not sure, to be honest with you, that I can quite accept that Ham’s wife was the source of the ‘Nephilim gene’ but my doubts don’t make you wrong on that point either!

    I also refuse to accept the ‘serpent’s seed’ doctrine of Branham and other false prophets, believing that God is sovereign throughout His creation and that it would have to be an act of God to allow that ‘gene’ to proceed to a certain point (Israel entering the promised land etc) and then no more.

    However, some who claim to be knowledgeable in such matters claim that the modern day Edomites (Jordanians?) are in fact, the descendants of the ancient Caananites, and are thus at the roots of the NWO and the Illuminati etc. Boy, it does get confusing doesn’t it?

    For the record, well done – especially the knocking on the head of any racist comments or connotations, as we don’t need them and the Bible doesn’t promote or support racism as it exists in the modern world. We are ‘all of one blood’ as Paul states in Acts 17 even though the separation at Babel was a long time ago, the few % points of difference in the human genome accounting for stature, pigmentation and facial features, but we are still human.

    As a question, what do you think fo an earlier comment above, which more or less said that the Nephilim after the flood reduced their size and are now a part of the ‘Bloodlines’ of the Illuminati? Do you think that this is at all possible, without me or you sounding like a ‘racist’?

    Thanksfor your consideration,
    Austin Hellier
    Brisbane, Australia

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  97. Hi B &E
    There doesn’t seem to have been any more activity on this part of the chat since Feb this year? Anyway, I’d just like to call in and say thanks for confirming many thoughts that I’ve had regarding the Nephilim over the years. there was a Psalm, which also used the word (Nephal?) which seemed to indicate a second invasion by the Nephilim but beyond that, I couldn’t explain it myself. I’m not sure, to be honest with you, that I can quite accept that Ham’s wife was the source of the ‘Nephilim gene’ but my doubts don’t make you wrong on that point either!

    I also refuse to accept the ‘serpent’s seed’ doctrine of Branham and other false prophets, believing that God is sovereign throughout His creation and that it would have to be an act of God to allow that ‘gene’ to proceed to a certain point (Israel entering the promised land etc) and then no more.

    However, some who claim to be knowledgeable in such matters claim that the modern day Edomites (Jordanians?) are in fact, the descendants of the ancient Caananites, and are thus at the roots of the NWO and the Illuminati etc. Boy, it does get confusing doesn’t it?

    For the record, well done – especially the knocking on the head of any racist comments or connotations, as we don’t need them and the Bible doesn’t promote or support racism as it exists in the modern world. We are ‘all of one blood’ as Paul states in Acts 17 even though the separation at Babel was a long time ago, the few % points of difference in the human genome accounting for stature, pigmentation and facial features, but we are still human.

    As a question, what do you think fo an earlier comment above, which more or less said that the Nephilim after the flood reduced their size and are now a part of the ‘Bloodlines’ of the Illuminati? Do you think that this is at all possible, without me or you sounding like a ‘racist’?

    Thanks for your consideration,
    Austin Hellier
    Brisbane, Australia

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  98. Great teaching. I have learned a lot from this. Thanks for sharing and God bless you all!

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  99. Honestly , where in the KJV bible does it spicifically say that “nephilims” existed ?! It didn’t . All these translation are BS & “the sons of God” that you are claiming to be angels , good are bad , ARE NOT ! When has god called any angel his son ? (Hebrews 1:5) he hasn’t , the scripture is right there ! If you study your bible FAITHFULLY you would know that it doesn’t say ANYWHERE in the bible that angels or demons were having sexual relations with humans and that’s where the nephilims came from . Right or wrong ? This article is garbage & this person obviously doesnt study their bible enough , or is once again , a false prophet .

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  100. This is a great site. After reading all of this information I just have one question: Doesn’t all this mean that Satan would have to be omniscient to be able to know God’s plan for salvation through Jesus in order to know that the only way to stop it was to try to corrupt the seed and line of Jesus?

    I am unaware of any scripture that would support this stance.

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    • Hi Anthony,

      Thanks for your question. The Devil is neither omniscient or omnipresent. He is a created being who still operates under the authority of God (as do all beings in creation). The way he knew that the Messiah would be born was that The Lord told him directly:

      “14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” – Genesis 3.

      This was the moment that started the war against the Messianic bloodline. God told Satan directly that rather than The Lord Jehovah Himself vanquish him, it would the son of a human woman who would one day defeat him. Satan may strike at the heel of the “seed of the woman” but this Messiah would bruise or crush the head of Satan, indicating that Satan would be destroyed. So the Devil was put on notice and set out once again try and defy God. He continued his methods of sinful temptation with the first 2 sons ever born, Cain and Abel. Remember, one of these 2 sons could have literally been the Messiah. God did not say when the Messiah would be born, just that he would be the son of a human woman. Seeing Abel was righteous and a faithful believer in The Lord (Jesus later refers to Abel as “righteous”, so we know he was saved), the wicked Cain fell into sinful rebellion against God and killed him. And Satan continued this plan of attack. But once men became numerous on Earth (see Genesis 6:1), he escalated the assault by the angelic incursion which led to the Nephilim.

      I hope that helps to clarify thing. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. God bless.

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      • notsrub says:

        hi there
        when you talk of satan are you talking about creator god enki of the annanuki and his brother enhil biblical name jehova,they were not gods but warring brothers they were lords not gods,satan means adversary,father anu,enki and enhil were half brothers ,enki,s mother was tiamat the dragon queen enki was half reptillian,enki was the serpent in the garden,jealous of his brothers higher rank,enki said that he should 0f had the higher rank because his mother was of royal blood-line,he oftenwent against the the higher ranking annanuki,he was the one that saved moses from the flood,how could you ever get every pair of animals fish insects etc on a boat,dna yes know probs,plus it was a submarine type vessel and not a boat,know dosen,t that make sense.

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        • Hi Notsrub,

          You still seem to be appealing to the teachings of Zechariah Sitchin. He has been completely debunked for his research on the Sumerians and Annanuki by real, credible academics. For more information just see here:

          http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

          As for the similarities between Sumerian religious accounts and the Bible – why does it always have to be a case of “this culture stole from the other”? Could it not be that these events really happened and one account is the Sumerian perspective, given through the prism of their religious beliefs and the Bible is the Hebrew perspective given through the Bible?

          As for animals getting on the ark – God brought them to Noah. He did not have to go out and wrangle them up himself. So it was supernaturally done.

          And the ark was not a submarine. It floated on top of the flood waters. And its dimensions are still of the same basic ratio used for boats today.

          More importantly though is where you stand with God and what will happen to you after you die? How are you going to account for your sins before The Lord on the day of judgment?

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          • Hi there
            thankyou for your response,interesting that you mention mr sytchin,my view on him is this,he as far as my research as told me is he himself was actually a reptilian shapeshifter,there have been many people who have researched the annanuki,,I can tell you know there are more explicit accounts of them,than what mr sitchen tells us,i believe in alien intervention,as far as I am concerened we are all hybrids,that is your opinion,i have know problem with that what so ever,do you really think that those who rule us want you too know the real truth,when I post my research on the internet,and those that rule us spend hundreds of thousands of money on covering up my research,ie television programms I know I am doing right,they are even mentioning the annanuki in are history,funny that they have never mentioned it before,if at any time I am proven wrong I will take it on the chin like a man,i am only saying what I think is the case,i am not the only one who thinks this way,i will not be pressured by you or any one else on my beleifs,i am a free speaker,if you believe in what you say that is very cool ,I have know problem with that what so ever.i have know intention of imposing my thoughts on you or any one else I am only giving my opinion,i considerate it too be a different approach that’s all,know hard feelings meant,i don’t get affended by what you say so why should you. regards notsrub.

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            • Hi Notsrub,

              I’m not offended by what you say at all. This is not about offense. Sitchin is a major source of the information you post here and I am trying to draw your attention to the mountain of evidence from ancient semitic language scholars that Sitchin’s ideas and “translations” were incorrect.

              You said:

              “if at any time I am proven wrong I will take it on the chin like a man,”

              If this is the case, then why do you not respond to the site that I have posted to you on several occasions now? I did the same thing with Ancient Aliens, yet another source of information that has been thoroughly debunked. So it’s a more a matter of promoting credible discussion than anything.

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  101. Truth!!

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  102. I could see that now in certain religious groups with violent tendencies and Unusual physical/magical powers…hope it does Not pollute the land before the Savior comes back…: /

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  103. Hi this is kind of of off topic but I was wanting to know if blogs use WYSIWYG editors or if you have to manually code with
    HTML. I’m starting a blog soon but have no coding expertise so I wanted to get advice from someone with experience. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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  104. Please, let me know how to find part 2 to this series! I have been eagerly awaiting the second installment, but am not sure if I may be looking in the right places or if it has not been published yet… I felt you did a great job thus far and can’t wait to continue with this study please let me know about part 2 whenever you have the spare time… Thank You!

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  105. Hi, B&E, just wondering when the “part II” of this article might be coming out as I am really anxious to review your followup to this article :-)

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  106. Danilo Vargas says:

    Well done. Thanx for the valuable information.

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  107. Danilo Vargas says:

    Don’t keep us hanging brother. When will Part 2 come?

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  108. listen to the late Theologian, Dr. James Montgomery Boice address who the Sons of God were and what is important to take away from the passage of Scripture for the edification of the body.

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    • notsrub says:

      HI THERE

      THE CHITATARI DJINN had a Reproduction problem genetically there of spring were not the same has themselves,thats why they produced man so they could mate and reverse the process ,we all have the reptilian brain the breeding with homo-erectus nethandethal man were stupid creatures not intelligent enough,that breeding programme produced the giants,know good for mining there precious metals ,but good for the building those massive ancient structures ,where do you think the bloodline storys come from,those who have the right too rule,sorry not in my world,we all have reptilian blood but some have more than others,we are unique beings but they don’t want you too know that,we all are hybrids we are the star children,WAKE UP intelligent beings this are world not there,s LOOK UP CREDA MUTWA he will tell you the same story that you will here any where in the world by the people with the knowledge of the ancient past,from American Indians too china any where in the world,the chitatari are known has the deceivers,ie the jenie in the bottle,they never potray themselves physicaly has them selves,only has others,wake up.

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  109. Maranatha George says:

    Dear B&E,

    I came to this site when I was searching for a comparison between lord Mithra and Lord Jesus of Nazareth. I have gone through two of your articles (“Was Jesus a Copy of Mithra …..” and “Did Jesus Exist …”) and the comments. I was impressed with your articles and both the content and the way of your replies to comments. I felt you have an open mind.

    However, when I read your both articles on Nephilim (too many comments and did not go through all of them), I thought I would make a comment. Please don’t take it as an attack on you but consider them and reply if you please.

    (In fact in 2011, I made a comment in another site on the same which, with your permission, I am posting here):

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    “We grew up hearing the story that the Bible is like any other mythical book with full of fanciful descriptions. So whenever we come across some unusual words or phrases, our curiosity is aroused. We tend to feel that we are going to see some extraordinary beings like the centaurs (half man and half horse creatures)!

    “Nephilim is actually a Hebrew word. Strong defines the word thus: “From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: – giant.”

    “I quick searched in the OT and found that whatever they are, they are clearly human beings called generally “giants”! In fact giants are a tribe of ancient people.

    “See the evidence here: “And in the fourteenth year Chedorlaomer and the kings that were with him came and struck the giants(Rephaim) in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emim in Shaveh Kiriathaim, and the Horites in the hills of Seir, as far as the oak of Paran, which is by the wilderness.” (Gen 14:5-6). (Also see Gen 15:18-21).

    “So giants is a race of human beings! The OT uses “Nephilim” as giants only twice in the entire OT; Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33. In all other places other words like “Rephaim” is used as giants. Why?

    “Nephilim is the sons of Anak (Num 13:33). Now Deut 2:10-11 says that Anakims are considered together with Emims as GIANTS (Rephaims). Besides Anakim giants were very tall people (Deut 2:10)!!!

    “So you see these are human beings!

    “Now the over size of Anakims and the undersize of Israelites (as grasshoppers) is surely EXAGGERATED by the Hebrew spies!!! (see “false report” in Num 13:32).”

    “sons of God of Gen 6:4

    “The whole confusion occurs because of Gen 6:4 where it says that the “sons of God” married the “daughters of men”! People think that “sons of God” were the angels or especially the fallen angels! So their offsprings should be a different species; a mix of half angels and half humans!

    “This is stupidly wrong!!

    “Because Christ emphatically confirms that angels do not and cannot marry or engage in sex (Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25)!

    “The Bible calls different categories as “sons of God”. Angels are called sons of God (Job 1:6). Israel is called sons of God (Hosea 1:10). Peace makers are called sons of God (Matthew 5:9).

    “So, who is the sons of God in Gen 6:4?

    “Yes, it is the children of the Patriarch Seth!!!

    “And a son was also born to Seth, and he called his name, Enos. Then it was begun to call on the name of Jehovah” (Gen 4:26).

    “There is a margin reading for the above underlined scripture: “Then began men to call themselves by the name of the Lord”. Starting with Seth and Enos, this family started to distinguish themselves in the name of God from other wicked generation. They established a holy tradition of naming themselves as “sons of God”! (Many Biblical commentaries and the Jewish tradition all confirm this).

    “But later, as usual, (may be after Seth’s time) some of these dedicated people became degenerate and lusted after the beautiful women of the wicked group. That is why immediately God says that “My Spirit shall not always strive with man; in their erring he is flesh” (Gen: 6:3)!

    “Thus Seth’s holy legacy was ended.

    “Anyway the offsprings of this unholy union (sons of God and daughters of men) also were human beings because the Bible clearly calls them that: “they (the offsprings) were heroes which existed from ancient time, the MEN of name” (Gen 6:4).

    “I hope I have cleared the mystery! So let us do away with this mythological pre-suppositions!!!”
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    • Hi Maranatha George,

      OK, I am going to make my reply rather brief, because again, you are raising points that have already been addressed in these comments (and I am not sure why you do not read my responses there and answer accordingly):

      1. The meaning of Nephilim –

      You said:


      “Nephilim is actually a Hebrew word. Strong defines the word thus: “From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: – giant.”

      “I quick searched in the OT and found that whatever they are, they are clearly human beings called generally “giants”! In fact giants are a tribe of ancient people.

      I respectfully disagree with your definition of Nephilim. I am not going to go into all the details of this word in Hebrew. In short, the word “ylpypn” in Hebrew is a masculine plural participle. The “im” in the word obviously indicates that it is plural. So the root, “npl” gives us its meaning. It the word was the Hebrew “naphal” (to fall), it would be spelled “nophelim” not “nephilim.”It would actually have a different vowel than what it has in the Hebrew. Additionally, it is also why the Septuagint, which is based on Paleo-Hebrew (that has no vowels) uses the word “gigantes” and not “feller” or “bully” etc. It also explains why the same Hebrew word in Genesis 6 for giants is what we find in Numbers 13 when the 12 spies encounter the sons of Anak who were giants. This was not a name for an ancient tribe or a race of people. They were just superhuman in their size -hence being called giants.

      Not to mention you have violated your own definition since Strong’s does not say “a race of people.” You have just made that up.

      “See the evidence here: “And in the fourteenth year Chedorlaomer and the kings that were with him came and struck the giants(Rephaim) in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emim in Shaveh Kiriathaim, and the Horites in the hills of Seir, as far as the oak of Paran, which is by the wilderness.” (Gen 14:5-6). (Also see Gen 15:18-21).

      “So giants is a race of human beings! The OT uses “Nephilim” as giants only twice in the entire OT; Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33. In all other places other words like “Rephaim” is used as giants. Why?

      “Nephilim is the sons of Anak (Num 13:33). Now Deut 2:10-11 says that Anakims are considered together with Emims as GIANTS (Rephaims). Besides Anakim giants were very tall people (Deut 2:10)!!!

      “But he knoweth not that the dead [rephaim] are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.” – Proverbs 9:18.

      Now how does your theory above reconcile with Scripture in Proverbs 9:18. It doesn’t. The word rephaim, or rapha is a reference to the underworld and the spirits of the dead. The title given to the Nephilim clan as Rephaim, is indicative of this. The Rephaim were a type of Nephilim. There are many branches in their family tree in Scripture. I would submit you have not studied this word throughout Scripture to see its meaning applied in this manner.

      3. Sons of God are the sons of Seth – Where in Genesis are we told that the men in Genesis 6 were Seth’s children? Where is Seth ever mentioned in Genesis 6? Additionally, you said that the women Seth’s sons married were from “the wicked group.” The Bible never says these women were wicked. It merely calls them “daughters of men.” Where is the “wicked group” mentioned in Scripture? Who are these people? Certainly not the descendants of Cain as we see his entire lineage in Genesis 4 and there is no interaction or inter-mingling with Seth’s children.

      These are ideas you injecting into Scripture. They are not stated there. But if there is Biblical support of what you are saying, please provide it and I will gladly look at it.

      Additionally, you have ignored the contextual use of “sons of God” in the Old Testament. It is a reference to angels in all its other uses in the Old Testament.

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      • Maranatha George says:

        Dear B&E,

        Thank you for your response.

        Of course, “a race of people” is my addition. It is not there in Strong! I had closed the inverted comma after finishing the Strong definition (after giant) and continued my comment in the next paragraph. It should be plainly obvious!

        (I put my first ever comment in this thread all in quotes because I was just copy-pasting one of my previous comments of 2011 in another forum).

        As I am not an expert in Hebrew, I do not want to argue with your definition of Nephilim or that of Strong.

        I have already agreed that they were giants in size. See my comment on 19.07.13 where I have written, {{“They could be of ***GREATER STATURE*** but they definitely were 100% pure human beings.”}}
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        1. Why do I say that Nephilim is a race of human beings?

        Because that is exactly what the Scripture says!

        Proof 1: “And in the fourteenth year Chedorlaomer and the kings that were with him came and struck the ***GIANTS*** in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the ***ZUZIMS*** in Ham, and the ***EMIMS*** in Shaveh Kiriathaim, and the ***HORITES*** in the hills of Seir, as far as the oak of Paran, which is by the wilderness.” (Gen 14:5-6).

        (If the Horites are a tribe/race of people, then definitely giants are also a tribe/race of people!)

        Proof 2: “On that day Jehovah made a covenant with Abram, saying, I have given this land to your seed, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, the KENITE, and the KENIZZITE, and the KADMONITE, and the HITTITE, and the PERIZZITE, and the ****GIANTS****, and the AMORITE and the CANAANITE, and the GIRGASHITE, and the JEBUSITE.” (Gen 15:18-21).

        (If the Hittites, Cannanites etc are a tribe/race of people, then definitely giants are also a tribe/race of people!!)
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        2. Were the giants bigger than others?

        Yes, they were very tall and bigger in size than other races. (But definitely not as tall and large as 20 feet or 36 feet!!!! Do we have any skeleton as evidence?!). I do not find anything abnormal in it because even today we see people, even races/tribes with very tall stature and very short body size.
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        3. Were the giants “superhuman”?

        Not at all!!! Because Israelites under Joshua and David destroyed them and “killed” them!!!
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        4. Was the “grasshopper” comparison a true report?

        Not at all! This was an over “exaggeration” by the frightened Israelite slaves. See the Scripture says it was a “false report” (Num 13:32).

        It was NOT a correct report!
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        5. What was the Background of this account?

        Israelites who were slaves for a few centuries in Egypt in the continent of Africa came to a new continent, West Asia and new human races who seemed to be greater in physical size than the Israelites or Egyptians!

        In fact, ***ALL*** tribes in Canaan seemed to be bigger and ferocious to the Israelites!!!

        “But the people that live in the land are ***FIERCE***, and the cities are walled up, very great.” (Num 13:28). “We are not able to go up against the people, for it is ***STRONGER*** than we.” (Num 13:31).

        Worse again, “Amalek lives in the land of the Negeb, and the Hittite, and the Jebusite, and the Amorite live in the hills. And the Canaanite is living by the sea, and beside the Jordan.” (Num 13:29). And according to the false report, “*****ALL***** the people we saw in its midst were men of STATURE.” (Num 13:32).

        Of all these tribes/races, giants were the tallest people! But they were not hybrids!!
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        PROVERBS 9:18

        The Giant as mentioned in Genesis is Strong H7497: “From H7495 in the sense of invigorating; a giant: – giant, Rapha, Rephaim (-s). See also H1051.”

        The Dead in Proverb 9:18 is Strong H7496: “From H7495 in the sense of H7503; properly lax, that is, (figuratively) a ghost (as dead; in plural only): – dead, deceased.”

        In the Scripture H7496 is used as “dead” or “deceased” as in Psalms 88:10: ” Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall they that are DECEASED (H7496) arise and praise thee? Selah”. (verse 11 says the “dead” are in the “grave”)!

        And H7497 is used as “giant”. I do not know how the dead (who are really dead in the grave) can “live” as giants!
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        SONS OF GOD AS SONS OF SETH

        //”Where is Seth ever mentioned in Genesis 6?” – B&E//

        Chaptering and numbering of verses in the Bible occurred much later added by men. It was not there in the inspired text.

        If you see, “chronologically” Gen 6:1 is preceded by Gen 4:26 with chapter 5 as an “inset”. Then you can see that the very name Seth is mentioned in 4:26 and immediately 6:2 talks about Sons of God!

        Gen 4:26: “And a son was also born to SETH, and he called his name, Enos. Then it was begun to call on the name of Jehovah.”
        Gen 6:1: “And it came about that men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them.”
        Gen 6:2: “The sons of God saw the daughters of men ………..”

        To me this chronological sequence makes perfect sense and you see the name of Seth together with the Sons of God!

        There is a marginal reading in Gen 4:26 like this: “Then began men to call themselves by the name of the Lord” (Adam Clarke).

        So how did men began to call themselves by the name of the Lord? Yes, as “Sons of God”!!! This is said in relation to Seth and his son. So starting from Seth there was a certain custom of holy men segregating themselves in the name of God.

        But just as Biblical history time and again shows, this holy legacy did not continue for long. Later, may be after the time of Seth and Enos, the people who were called sons of God became lured into the worldly pleasures and intermingled with “secular” (wicked!) world.

        Please do not get surprised about this or consider this impossible. Even today in this 21st century we see people calling themselves by the name of the Lord!

        Yes, what is it?

        “CHRISTian”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        This was a holy legacy started with the Apostles and followed ever since. But as usual, after the times of the Apostles and their disciples, the Christians started to be lax and became worldly. They began to absorb pagan customs into the group etc and today namesake Christians marry from outside groups!

        The similar thing happened in those days during and after Seth and Enos!
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        WHY WICKED GROUP?

        That was not a very calculated phrase from me. I just said “wicked” in the sense of worldly or secular! May be we all are short by God’s standard!

        Even Jesus said this about the “pious” and religious Jewish society around Him: “An ***evil*** and ***adulterous*** generation seeks a sign” (Mat 12:39).

        So, please excuse me for that phrase!
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        SONS OF GOD

        //”It is a reference to angels in all its other uses in the Old Testament.” – B&E//

        Hosea 1:10 refers to Israel as “Sons of the Living God”.

        In fact, by Biblical definition, fallen angels canNOT be sons of God! Why?

        “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” (Rom 8:14).

        Anyone, whether angel or human, can be son of God ***IF*** he is led by the Holy Spirit!!!

        So fallen angels canNOT be sons of God. Period.

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  110. Maranatha George says:

    Additional Points:

    1. What was the “folly” of the angels?

    Has the “folly” of angels described in Job 4:18 something to do with sex? A folly is a foolish act; it can be regarding sex as well as unrelated to sex.

    The Hebrew word used in Job 4:18 mentioning angels’ folly is “Toholah” (H8417).

    But the Hebrew word used in all the other citations (Genesis 34:7, Deuter 22:21, 2 Samuel 13:12) regarding the “sexual” folly is “Nebala” (H5039).

    Thus it is clear that the folly whatever was done by the fallen angels had NOTHING to do with sex!!!

    2. Was the “Perfection” of Noah related to his gene pool?

    The Hebrew word “Tamiym” (without blemish) used to descibe Noah as perfect had nothing to do with any genetic material.

    Consider this:

    “And when Abram was ninety nine years old, Jehovah appeared to Abram and said to him, I am the Almighty God! Walk before me and be PERFECT (Tamiym H8549)” (Genesis 17:1).

    Here God Almighty is asking Abram to be “perfect” (Tamiym).

    Does it mean God is asking Abram to go to a doctor and remove all his Nephilimic genes?

    Not at all!

    God is asking Abram to be perfect in every way; morally, physically, mentally etc.

    3. The Species Barrier.

    One species cannot copulate with another species and reproduce.