David slaying the giant Goliath – “And there were giants in those days, and after that..”
Numbers 13:31But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. 32And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. 33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
When Moses sent his spies to scout the Promised Land so the children of Israel could enter it, the spies reported seeing beings there who were giants. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that there were races of people at that time who were so large, that regular sized men appeared as “grasshoppers” before them (other references can be found in Deuteronomy 2:10-11, 2:21, and 3:11 or the story of David and Goliath for starters). And we see that when the great servant of the Lord, Joshua, was sent to conquer the Promised Land that God commands him to kill all of the men, women and children of these giant races. They were to be wiped as if any remnant of their kind would post a great danger.
So what is this all about? The Bible of course has the answers. Since the day Satan was removed from his position serving God and cast out of godly service as the first sinner and a traitor (Ezekiel 28), he has been conspiring to try to thwart God’s plan of creation and redemption for humanity. And part of his conspiracy is what caused the flood in Genesis. This conspiracy is going to play out all the way to the End of Ages and as we know will end with our King and Savior Jesus Christ being triumphant over Satan and his armies.
The Days of Noah
So let’s start with Matthew 24:26. In Matthew 24 Jesus discusses the temple in Jerusalem being destroyed while it was still under construction. This prophecy of course came true in 70 AD when Titus destroyed the temple and Israel as a nation. Everything else in Matthew 24 is discussing the period known as The Tribulation. We know this from Matthew 24:3 which states: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
So clearly we see these are questions regarding the end times. And in Matthew 24:36 The Word says: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Jesus explains that the times on Earth will be like the days of Noah before the flood. So now we should look to those times to see what made them unique. In Genesis chapter 6 the Bible states: 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose… 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Now many people have debated whether the “sons of God” refers to angels or men. And this is precisely why we have to examine the Bible as a complete book and not just hang ideas on one verse. First of all, the Hebrew words for the “sons of God” is B’nai Ha Elohim, which would means these are Heavenly beings, giving credence to them being fallen angels. And then we see the children of these sons of God and daughters of men were “mighty men” and of “renown.” They were also “giants.” Something in their genetics made them super-sized people. And it was their fallen angelic parentage.
But again, we must keep searching the Bible to make certain of meaning. The Bible is self-confirming and one passage of Scripture can always be confirmed by another. We see the term “sons of God” next used in the book of Job. Job 2:1 states: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
The Hebrew term here once again is B’nai Ha Elohim. And as we know these sons of God here are clearly Angelic beings who are presenting themselves before The Lord (in Heaven). And Satan is among them (who of course is a fallen cherubim – a type of Heavenly being). So there should be no mistaking what the Hebrew term now means. The implication here is that fallen angels married human women and produced children with them. And this act was so abhorrent to The Lord that He punished them. First with the flood and then with imprisonment.
In Jude 1:6 the Bible states: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Here we see a reference to angels who left their “habitation” and are reserved in chains until Judgment Day. So which angels could these be? Clearly we should all agree that this is not a reference to Satan. Satan is not in hell. He is roaming the Earth seeking to destroy and deceive as many people as possible (see Job 2 again where the devil says he was walking “to and fro” on the Earth). The Devil and most of his fallen angels are on Earth doing spiritual warfare and will not be sent to Hell until their time of Judgment (Revelations 20). The fallen angels being referenced in Jude are the same angels who had relations with “the daughters of men” (human women). We see the immediate reference to Sodom and Gomorrha afterwards indicating sexual sin (in addition to other lascivious behaviors, the men of Sodom were sexually attracted to the male angels staying with Lot). And as for the “habitation” the angels left, it is the spiritual realm. Many scholars say this habitation refers to the fallen angels leaving Heaven, but again that would not explain why they would already be in hell under chains until Judgment Day since the fallen angels are not in Hell yet.
Looking at 1 Peter 3:19 we see more confirmation: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
So again we see there are spirits who are “in prison” meaning they are already in bondage of Hell. Hell or Sheol at this time, was the holding place for the unsaved who died and Jesus went there to make a triumph over them (Colossians 2:15). And plus, verse 20 makes it clear that the disobedience of these spirits took place at the time of Noah, right before the flood! So again, it all comes back to this time and the specific activity that caused some of the fallen angels to be put in prison before Judgment.
The book of 2 Peter gives even further confirmation: 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; The angels who are already in Hell are again linked to Noah. Plus there is a reference to the sexual sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.
So the question at this point is: why were fallen angels doing this? And why was this such a serious offense that the offending angels were put in Hell immediately? The answer lies in Genesis 3:15.
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall break thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
This amazing, beautiful verse is the first promise of a redeemer, our Messiah Jesus Christ. The Lord is telling Satan that the seed of a woman will eventually crush him. Now we know all over the Bible the lines of genealogy are described through men. The same for a seed (i.e., the seed of Abraham). But the one seed spoken of from a woman is Jesus Christ (“Behold a virgin shall conceive a son and His Name shall be Emmanuel..”). The only way we could be saved was through a virgin birth with The Lord providing the baby to a virgin woman. Jesus being both 100% man and 100% God allowed him to take all sins of humanity and save us all. So Satan, seeking to stop this plan thought of a way to corrupt it: by having fallen angels taking women and having children with them! By doing this he could ruin the lineage of the coming Messiah by making him part fallen angel. And to no surprise, the people who were becoming increasingly mixed with fallen angels were becoming increasingly evil.
The corruption was so bad the Lord states: Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
The Lord shows regret for even making any living creatures.
But Noah found Grace in the Eyes of God.
In addition to being a faithful servant to The Lord Genesis 6:9 tells us that Noah was “perfect in his generations.” As opposed to referring to his moral perfection (and Noah of course being a man, was not perfect) this phrase meant was that Noah’s lineage was 100% human. Noah did not have any Nephilim in his family line so he was able to carry on the lineage that would lead to Jesus Christ. Thus the flood was not the judgment out of anger many make it out to be. It was a necessary act to prevent the extinction of humanity and allow us to have salvation through the Messiah. The lineage that led to Jesus was preserved through Noah. And we see Genesis 11 goes to great detail to list the lineage going from Noah to Abraham so there is a record.
Of course Satan continued to conspire against The Lord from that point and continues today. The repeated temptation of the Israelites to worship him (in the form of other gods like Baal and Molech), tempting Christ in the wilderness and then going into Judas to provoke the conspiracy to have Christ killed. All these things fulfilled The Lord’s plan because He all along knows what is going to take place and moves all things, good and evil towards His Ultimate just and righteous Purpose. So in the end times will the Nephilim return? It’s possible. Many speculate the alien phenomena could be a “disguise” for this. But the main point for the Christian is to not be deceived by any of this. Instead, let us rejoice in knowing that no matter what the adversary attempts the ultimate victory lies with Jesus Christ our Risen Savior.
**For a more detailed Biblical study of the Nephilim please see our new article
Bloodlines of the Nephilim – A Biblical Study.
Bible research: Who are the giants in the Bible: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/Biblegiants.html
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6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose… 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
I understand where you come from in the sons of God being Nephilim and great article by the way. But another thought came to mind, just before this verse I believe, it states Cains bloodline and then Seths bloodline. Could that indicate that YHWH is showing the line of the son of man (Cain/a mighty hunter) who fell also and was cast out of the sight of God and not a son of God anymore, and Seth (son of God/still walking in Gods ways) so saying it this way…That the sons of God (Seth) saw that the daughters of Cain (man completely seperated from God) were fair, and mixed with them (like Israel did with the moabite women/ that He commanded NOT to mix with as they would lead them astray to worship false gods) and Nephilim also means, fallen, like Cain had and was not walking in Gods ways, AND rebellious as in a giant rebellion, like there is today? So it also could mean that there was a giant fallen rebellion in those days when Seths sons went into Cains daughters and after that (after that does not state after the flood either. some have interpreted this meaning after the flood, but it does NOT say that) and this mixed bloodline made mighty men of renown. The infuence of ungodliness, just look at the world today. This is just another way I have looked at. Also we who know the Lord, still come before the Lord like in Job, I come before Him everyday when I study His word, and praise Him. Satan who WAS going to and fro from the earth doesn’t mean they were in heaven nor does it state it, he just came beside man also. He is roaming around us today when we present ourselves to the Father. Does what am saying make sense? Just my thoughts on it, but you did put some puzzle pieces together for me with the “immortals article” I am still pondering on all of this. Enough to make ones mind spin, and praying that YHWH will give me more insight to all of this.
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Hi Lisa,
Thanks very much. I’m glad you enjoyed the article. Now as far as the Sons of God being the line of Seth, I think that the verses from Job do indicate a heavenly gathering. For more on this see Psalm 82 (where God sits among a council of “gods”). Another passage to look at would be in 1 Kings chapter 22: 19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. 21And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. 22And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. I think if you look at this passage we get an even greater indication of the “meeting arrangements” in Heaven. God does indeed meet with both good and evil angels in Heaven. Just something to consider.
I also think the passages from Jude and 2 Peter chapter 2 with reference to the angels who sinned, demonstrate that there are certain evil angels who are presently imprisoned for sexual sins. And their crime involved going after “strange flesh.” Those passages in context, demonstrate that there were some type of illicit relations. And then when 2 Peter 2 specifically mentions the time of the flood and Noah being spared in connection with those angels being punished, it all ties together – evil angels, at the time of Noah, married human women and had Nephilim offspring. And were punished for this.
A final thing to consider would be why there were giants at all? Giants are referenced in Genesis 6 and Deuteronomy 13 among other passages. Something happened to the human gene pool that led to these enormous, powerful, demonic beings suddenly being born throughout Canaan. And God often commanded that these same beings be wiped out completely. Again, when seen in totality, it all makes sense that their elimination was necessary to preserve humanity and bring forth the Messiah. I hope that helps clarify things. God bless.
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Thanks for your answers I will study those passages to make myself a good berean
Like I said, ” Alot to ponder on”. So when were all of them wiped out, when Joshua led Israel into Canaan? I should know this, is that why Goliath and he also had a few brothers I have been told, were the last of their kind? So the Nephilim will be realeased once more when Satan opens the abyss and that same rebellion will happen again like in the days of Noah? This is why we dont see this stuff today? Who are the demons that Yahshua(Jesus) casts out. Are they fallen angels as well or seperate. I have never really studied this stuff before. Sorry, my wheel is spinning.
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The last mention of Nephilim is in 2 Samuel 21. It seems that the final descendants of the Nephilim were among the Philistines, who again, were enemies of Israel. King David and his armies defeated the last of them. Goliath, who was the Philistine Champion, was a giant. And the giants at Gath were called descendants of the giants, and were still of supernatural size in addition to having six fingers and six toes on each hand and foot respectively (2 Sam 21). The spirits of the Nephilim (known as demons or “unclean spirits” in the New Testament) were sent to the abyss, but it appears some still roam the Earth. Hence the fear of the demons called Legion who encounter Jesus in the Gospels. They beg not to be sent to the abyss and Jesus grants their request. But the abyss or pit will be opened in the end times as seen in Revelation chapter 9 at the 5th trumpet.
“23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both. 23:9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees’ part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.”
The Bible makes distinctions repeatedly between a demon or “spirit” and an angel. I believe the demons are the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephilim. Hence their constant desire for a corporeal body (even going into pigs as we saw with the demons called legion). Whereas angels have celestial bodies. In any event, while their interaction since The Lord Jesus’ ascension has clearly been limited, in the Great Tribulation, both the fallen angels and demonic forces will once again openly interact with humanity.
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Great article sir! I thought I might chime into this conversation
and give me two sense. I actually have studied this quite in depth
myself over the last several years and believe I have a nugget I can
add to this conversation.
When the Bible says that Noah was “perfect in his generations” as you
mentioned at the end of your article, the Hebrew word used there for the
word “perfect” is tamiym, which means “without blemish” or “healthy.”
The reason that is so important is because that is the exact same Hebrew
word used in Leviticus to describe an unblemished, sacrificial lamb.
So yes you are correct this means Noah was not perfect morally, but that his
physical make up -DNA – had not been contaminated with Nephillim descent.
The line of Seth and line of Cain theory is easy to discredit if you study
Hebrew. God Bless! Come quickly Lord Jesus!!
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Excellent point. This is a perfect example of why it’s always good to look to the Hebrew and Greek when there is a controversy over the meaning of a verse. Thanks for adding that. God bless.
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I have enjoyed all the conversation and article very much! Thanks! I have recently been studying this subject and I am wondering if you know WHEN these fallen angels were bound? They seem to have married women AFTER the flood. They are in Canaan and you (as well as others) say Goliath was the last one. Yet we do see giants after Goliath. Their bones have been dug up. Also, St. Christopher is said to have come from Canaan and was a Nephilim with a head resembling a dog. Some just say he was extremely ugly but he is depicted with a dog’s head many times. Possibly the later giants were not as tall but we have seen some as tall as Goliath. What do you scholars think? When were they bound?.
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Personally, I do not believe that the Nephilim ever ceased to exist- Moreover, though those who propagated them in Noah’s time were bound around the time of the flood (near as can be told from Bible study), this does not mean that others are not still attempting the same tired tactic.
If there’s one thing I have learned with my own interaction with the ‘Forces of Darkness,’ as it were, it is that they never truly learn.
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Hi RETS! I’m enjoying your contributions to the conversation! I know the Book of Enoch is not currently considered scripture by Christianity in general (although it was at one time). The fact that Jesus made reference to it is good enough for me to consider the book as accurate. According to Enoch, there were 200 angels who procreated with human women and they have all been bound someplace other than earth (and they will never be forgiven). God said they would see the death of their sons and the spirits of their children would be left on earth and called evil spirits. So, if we believe that then we know Nephilim are still here in the form of evil spirits. I agree the Nephilim may still be trying to procreate but without a body that would be impossible. If some of the ‘watchers’ or other angels had succeeded in reproducing with women I think we would all know about it. When they did it the first time, they consumed mankind and let’s just say everyone knew they were around.
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I too hold that the book of Enoch can potentially be considered inspired- But the question comes to: “What part of the book of Enoch is original?”
You see, Christ and Jude both quoted from only the very first chapter, and while everything within that first chapter agrees with the Bible as a whole, there are parts within the rest of the book which do not. Thus, it is plausible that the entire book of Enoch written by the original author was no more than that first chapter, with the rest of the book being written by a “ghost writer” much later.
Also, let’s go ahead and look at what is needed for procreation. Aside from the obvious physical aspects, it is necessary for there to be both the soul and the spirit. The soul is not too difficult, regardless of what has been traditionally thought: The soul is comprised of the will, the mind and the emotions. The spirit, on the other hand, is far more difficult.
Now, let’s go ahead and think about some of the things which are normally only reported on in the tabloids: Alien abductions. What is the common thread throughout these events? With few exceptions, there is the feeling of loneliness, fear/terror, and of course the violation of person. The fact that the tabloids are the rags carrying these stories should not dissuade anyone from looking into these stories…
A few years ago, I tracked down a woman who had been featured in the Weekly World News prior to its dissolution. The “alien pregnancy” they reported on was now a six year old boy. She was understandably loathe to speak with me, but I assured her I would never reveal who she was, and that my interest was purely personal. After reassuring her, I discovered that this young man, at the age of six, had a vocabulary to match most university scholars; he was doing advanced math; reading books on quantum physics, and generally was a genius in all senses of the term. He also stood over four feet tall- At six.
I do not profess to understand the HOW of the matter: I only state unequivocally that it is taking place. She is not the only woman to have given birth to such a child; according to statistics from the seventies, there are between 25 and 30 such births every year- And so-called “alien encounters” have only increased. What’s more, these children are absolutely going to be men and women of renown, provided that they do not burn out before reaching adulthood. This only goes that much further in pointing to this still taking place.
I have a few theories on this phenomena, but I’ll hold off on them unless you and/or BaE are really interested in them. In the meantime, may I suggest looking up Josh Allum on YouTube? His video and accompanying playlist “The Alien Conspiracy” is first rate, and he and I are on the same page a great deal.
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Greetings RETS! I do appreciate your diligent research. In the interest of brevity I will only say a few things. 1) One of my family members is 5 yrs old and 4’5″ tall. A 6 year old is not a giant at 4 ft tall. 2) I am familiar with the Alien Conspiracy. I don’t believe Nephilim are either being created or reproducing anything. I do think there is a lot of trash going on out there in the world but I don’t live in the world. I live in the Kingdom of God. The Boss over me has been given all power in heaven and in earth. Whatever is working wickedness has already been judged and their judgment is written. Nothing will change that. 3) I’m wondering why the Illuminati is allowing all their secrets to be blasted on You Tube. Even your “eye” picture could be interpreted as a symbol proving you are a member of the Illuminati. 4) I must stick to the simplicity of Jesus. He spoke so idiots like me could understand that nothing shall by any means harm us. His wonderful Holy Spirit still bears witness to the truth so we don’t have to be led astray and succumb to fear. It doesn’t matter who wrote something thousands of years ago because we have a living Witness to the truth. God bless you my brother. Have peace.
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I read the whole article but I stilI have a question. If the earth was rid of the Nephiim in the flood. and the only people left were humans, then where did the giants the israelites fought come from?
i think i missed something
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Hi Yolanda! From what I have studied, Jewish tradition says that Og held onto the top of the ark and survived the flood that way. They have quite a story about Noah throwing him food etc. I do respect the Jewish traditional stories because they have always kept careful records of their history. I am inclined to believe this one since I have heard no other explanation and the giants did seem to disappear with Og.
and his sons. Possibly St. Christopher had some DNA or genes in his family from the Nephilim offspring….I’m still researching myself.
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Hi Yolanda and Kathy,
Thanks for this great discussion. I am familiar with some of the ancient Jewish sources that say Og hung onto the ark. It’s very interesting that in ancient Jewish culture, and even modern Orthodox culture, there is no debate about the Nephlim – they believe(d) 100% in the Genesis 6 account.
I think the Bible also points to another possibility: that the wives of one or more of Noah’s sons carried the Nephilim genes and thus allowed for giants to re-appear after the flood. I have done a LOT of research on the Nephilim giants in the past month for a new article that covers all of the groups of giants in scripture before and after the flood (there are many), their major influence in the struggles of the Israelites and their bloodline that can be traced through scripture.
I am in agreement with you both that there was no further angel/human intermarrying after the flood. The post-flood giants were descendants of other giants. And as succeeding generations were born, they did get smaller, which is also detailed in scripture. So please, stay tuned. God bless.
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The possiblity of uncleanliness being in one of Noahs Sons is supported by Gensis 9:22-25
22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.
24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
Canaan was a descedent of Ham who did something to Noah while he was drunken asleep. We can speculate if just looking at Noah bare was the sin or something more perverse I dont know anywhere else in the Bible that speaks of this incident. But whatever it was we know that Abraham told Issac not to marry a Canaanite Woman which came from Ham’s lineage. On another note ” I be going Ham, letting people know who I am!” is a slogan that rappers have used so they maybe telling us what they represent. Just a thought. Good discussion altogether this validates the evil world we live in and should motivate us to do the Will of God: Repent, Believe, and Love.
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You’re right on, in my opinion, with a lot of what you said.
However, with that last bit, regarding ham? That is “H.A.M.,” and it stands for “H.ard A.ssa M.uthaf****.” It is a phrase originally coined by Jay-Z and Kanye West in their collaborative album. Moreover, it is not a phrase that ALL rappers use. Quite honestly, most of us consider the phrase to be stupid and ignorant, taking an art form we love and making it a joke.
I only bring this up because as Christians, we have a duty to not only present the truth, but to do so with accuracy; to be beyond reproach- Not just in what we do but also what we say and how we say it.
God bless, mi familia.
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Another point which strengthens your own, BaE, is the name of those within the land of Canaan. Notice that they are called the “sons of Anak.” Where was the last place that name is mentioned?
Back in Genesis, as a Nephili that stood out even among the Nephilim.
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No doubt. I am very close to posting the new Nephilim article. It’s very in-depth. I look forward to your thoughts on it.
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Think about it… there were 7 others on the Ark besides Noah… it only takes one of them to of had an infected gene pool for it to be carried on.
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could their still be DNA of nephilim in the world today?
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I firmly believe that to be so.
This question, however, leads to areas that many Sola Scriptura believers do not wish to go, because it means relying on external proofs as opposed to Scripture Alone.
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The third part of the new Nephilim series will look at extra-biblical sources, megalith structures and pagan myths since the Nephilim giants are clearly being describes/connected to them. But you are right in that this site when it comes to establishing a Biblical point, relies solely on Scriptures.
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That wasn’t a slam on the site, my friend, or you for that matter. I have no problem with Sola Scriptura.
My point, which was obviously not made clearly enough, is that when one reaches a certain point, there is no longer Biblical accounts which one can take from. Scripture still comes into play, but as for actual accounts of historical or cultural nature, the Bible cannot say anything because these took place after it was “closed.” (Finalization of canon, etc.)
For instance, the Bible speaks of a time when God will draw the children of Israel back to the land given them, and they will once more rule within it. That’s the prophecy; but the Bible could not give you the historical account of 1948, whereupon May 14 Israel was declared a sovereign nation once more.
I hope that is a bit more clear an understanding of what I meant earlier.
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Oh no worries. I did not take it as a slam at all. And I definitely get your point about events happening post-finalization. I just thought that on this particular topic there is so much overlap with secular historical sources, it should be addressed.
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I am very much looking forward to it, in all honesty. I think that some of the reasons for my own personal interest in the subject would sound strange to most people, which is why I tend to avoid discussing the topic at length with folks.
Suffice to say, however, there are legitimate reasons I believe the Nephilim remain with us; and that they are far from irredeemable.
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Good. I hope you enjoy it. It’s long and in-depth to the point that I had to split into several parts. And when you check it out please feel free to share your thoughts on the Nephilim still being among us. I’m very curious.
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Thank you for that apparent slap in the face.
1) The gravitar is me. That is MY face, and MY eye, and the only reason it is halved is a size constraint.
2) In a family of people that only reach about five feet in adulthood, four feet at six years old is huge. That said, I did not realize that part of my post had also been removed. (I have a touchy mousepad, and it provides me with no end of fun in retyping entire posts thanks to errant highlight/deletes.)
3) If you truly think the Illuminati controls everything, then your point number two is nothing but empty words; words without faith. Is God on the throne or isn’t He? Is Yahshua Ha’Meshiach, or isn’t He? Is the Holy Spirit truly in control, or isn’t He? If YHWH, the full Trinity, is not on control, then yes- We ought to wonder how the Illuminati could possibly allow “all their secrets to get blasted all over YouTube.” If our God IS in control, however, then it does not matter.
4) See point 3.
Finally, believe what you wish- That is up to you alone, and between you and God. However, why bother asking questions to which you do not wish to know the answers?
RETS(Quote)
Hi! Thanks for the laugh today.
I’m sorry to see we have a failure to communicate. I was not intending to slap you in the face but just be brief. Apparently that doesn’t work so this will be my last post on this subject. I do not believe the Illuminati is running everything. My point was that IF they were, they wouldn’t allow their secrets to be shown on You Tube. I did think that was your real eye – and I LIKE it. I just meant that if we were to believe everything on You Tube, one would interpret your eye as a symbol of Illuminiti membership. If angels were procreating still, I would expect that their children would look like their previous children who are aptly described in the Bible. We see no evidence of that. Don’t be mad at me. I like you. 
Kathy Cavoores(Quote)
ROFL!
Boy- We’ve got to love text, huh? “All your miscommunications now in one convenient place!!”
I understand what you were saying now. I apologize for my snappy reply- I’m afraid you got some of what was left over from an argument I had with some overly zealous “Christians” about ten minutes prior to responding. (Think Westboro Baptist, and you’ll get a picture of these folks.)
Anyway, I can totally see your point. With that said, may I ask for one more response?
Do you think a normal seven year old could rip up twelve to twenty foot tall trees out of the ground by their roots?
RETS(Quote)
Yes, I think a seven year old could do that if he was demon possessed. Being demon possessed in a human body is different from being Nephilim. The Nephilim body itself was apparently an extreme distortion of the flesh so the body became sometimes more than 12 feet tall, sometimes had six fingers or toes and sometimes had two rows of teeth….as I’m sure you know. Demon possession such as you describe is extremely hard on the body and ages one fast. I would certainly not expect the child to live very long. Samson (in the Bible) had strength probably like you mention but that was given to him by God for a specific purpose and didn’t apparently bring harm to his human body.
Kathy Cavoores(Quote)
Okay.
The reason I ask is because I knew this child- And he was not demon possessed. He only recently has taken the Nazarite vow. As we both know, there are certain signs which are presented by a true child of God: He had them all, even at seven, down to Divine revelation that would often cause his pastor and the elders of the church to pause and reflect on what he’d said.
Add to this the knowledge of his great grandfather. The man was a lumberjack in the northernmost forests of New England, and actually spent the majority of his time in Canada working at his trade. He stood a verifiable 7′ 10″ tall and weighed in at over 400lbs- At the time of his death, he was reported to have weighed 486. He also had a terrifying temper, according to the news article I was shown.
He got into a barroom brawl and killed a man with his bare hands. When the police arrived to restore order and arrest him, it took 27 rounds to put him down. Before he went, he took a police officer’s life after having already been shot twelve times. The most bizarre aspect about his physiology, according to the coroner, was that he had a total of twenty-four digits: Twelve toes, and twelve fingers.
This is one reason why I believe that there is a strong possibility of Nephilim presence still here among us. I know that many believe the Nephilim were little more than monsters in flesh, yet this was not true of them all, as seen in the Bible. The digits remain constant, but the hideous appearance otherwise cannot be found in any other account.
Anyhow… It has been good talking to you, Kathy, and once more- Please accept my apology for reacting the way that I did!
RETS(Quote)
Great article I have done this same research and have spent hundreds of dollars buying old archeology and explorer books….. Nepal (yes from the hebrew) still has real nephilim…. with more diluted descendants making it into afghanistan (google giant afghan image…. tho he could just be on the larger side of humanity). plus read a great old history called myths and legends of the celtic race, cannot remember whp wrote it sorry…. it describe giants and many other things that make sense in light of Scripture. Keep up the fight for the Truth….. and when Apollyon rises (not the tom horn version) the world will know a new reality, glad I will be busy eating
also getting your hands on older unedited copies of ancient histories will be a must to get a full understanding of what happened to the nephilim after the flood
also I believe (but am not dogmatic about it) that the last of the fallen angels were rounded up in joshua’s day….
Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD’S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
now i realize that most have been taught that this is a Christophony, I completely disagree just read it in hebrew… Joshua did not worship the Angel of the LORD he bow’d down or layed prostraight in front of…. also there are Holy Angels (rev14:10 also a good verse for those who say hell is the seperation from God) and it is holiness the requires the shoes to be removed.
God bless your endevors
Dale Holliday(Quote)
Hey Dale,
Thanks very much for your comments. So you know there is a news series of articles on the Nephilim that started today. Here is the link to Part 1:
http://beginningandend.com/bloodlines-of-the-nephilim-a-biblical-study/
Part 3 will look into secular ancient accounts of the Nephilim giants as well as megaliths like Balebek, the pyramids, etc.
And I completely agree about Apollyon Rising. I will be right up there eating with you. lol.
Re: Joshua and the Nephilim — While Joshua did indeed conquer a great deal of the giants, he did not destroy all of them:
Looking forward to your thoughts on the new article. God bless.
Beginning and End(Quote)
i was saying that was when i thought the fallen angels were stopped from their bastarding deed… the Captain of the armies of the LORD was there not just to help Joshua defeat Jerrico (bet they could have done that without angels help after God was on their side) but as Captain he had now come…. to stop the fallen from doing what they had done before the flood… namely destroying the human genome. but like i said i am not dogmatic but if anyone has a better time, convince me.
Dale Holliday(Quote)
i was saying that was the timing of the end of the fallen angels procreating with women. nephilim exist as a genetic group up until now, just very few left. and I would agree that the alien abduction phenomenon is a modern version of the fallen angel hybridization, but due to our now highly degraded DNA they are having problems. their DNA matches preflood DNA best and we have more than 22000 recorded mutations…. we are missing that crucial part that allows easy hybrids. eh that’s only my opinion and they are worthless
Dale Holliday(Quote)
wow did that 2 times because the first one did not show up… posted the second and the first appears
Dale Holliday(Quote)
polydactylism is what it is called when modern humans have extra fingers and/or toes and is usually accompanied by other congenital abberitions… as opposed to oligodactylism which is too few fingers or toes. this is a real and very well documented phenomenon. I grew up knowing a oligodactyl (4 fingers and toes on each appendage)… she was at the summer camp ground we kept out camper at.
Dale Holliday(Quote)
Think about it… there were 7 others on the Ark besides Noah… it only takes one of them to of had an infected gene pool for it to be carried on.
Maddy(Quote)
I have a book coming out in 3 to 4 weeks that will explain a lot of the mystery’s of The Nephilim – Giants in the Bible . The book is called The Lost Ancients.
Michael Garcia(Quote)
This is an amazing topic; and good comments or opinions on the topic. Thank you all for the imformation you have provided. Mathew 24:37 reads “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
Many things were happening in the days of Noah.
1. The interaction of beings from other “dimensions” were interacting with earthly beings.
2. There were giants. (hybrid beings.)
3. Their reasoning was corrupted with evil thoughts.
4. Yes… Their DNA was tampered with. Not as God had created man.
“The “coming of the Lord” will be as in those days of Noah.”
We sure are seeing many things that were in the days of Noah.
Very soon, the interacion of beings from other “dimesions” will begin to manifes with earth in ways that it will be accepted or be normal. Some earthly entity with a lot of power will begin to introduce this topic to the world in order to begin to see it as normal or good. I am NOT talking about “aliens”; but, evil or demonic of some sort; to prepare for the big disception, the anti-christ, and the false prophet.
Thank you all for this topic.
Cesar(Quote)
Kathy Cavoores(Quote)
That young boy was me, Kathy.
And yes, I did take the Nazerite vow found in Numbers 6:1-21. I do not drink alcohol, nor do I eat grapes or raisins. I have not cut my hair in nearly a year, and I have not gone near a dead body, in spite of my grandmother passing away in the time of my vow. My vow is for three years.
I do not have twelve digits on either hand, nor twelve toes. With that said, however, the history of my family is very clear, and my great-grandfather was absolutely a monster of a man. No, he killed a police officer in a bar near Pittsburg, New Hampshire around 1915.
What is your aversion, specifically, to the possibility existing? Before you level a liar’s accusation against me, it would be a good idea to examine that first… Because as for me, I have the proof I need- Both Biblical and modern era.
Again… You asked the question. Why ask, if you did not truly wish to know?
RETS(Quote)
I call bullshit!. If you have proof, show it to the world, appear on my show, I will give you 30 minutes of uninterrupted airtime, seriously I’ll even throw in a 50,000 reward and I’ll recommend you for the goldman sachs account challenge : anyone with proof of anything paranormal, religious or otherwise not hunly possible receives 1 million, no taxes no questions. Up for it? otherwise you are a liar, plain and simple. I have researched every database, microfish and other data from 1905 to 1925 for near pittsburg, not one mention of this incident. LIAR
Dr. O(Quote)
Thank you Dr. O for that brilliant observation and your time to research our friend’s claim. In all fairness, RETS may be telling the truth about something……he probably really hasn’t cut his hair in almost a year.
Personally, I believe Ephesians 4:7 & Psalm 68:18 which both say the same thing: “When He ascended on high, He took many captives and gave gifts to his people.” If there were any more Nephilim being produced before Jesus ascention, it stopped at that time. Otherwise we would be consumed by their presence and not just have a few people (who won’t identify themselves) telling these ridiculous stories. Blessings to you! 
Kathy Cavoores(Quote)
Believe what you like.
The article that I have is a cut out that was in the same box as some unposted letters from my great-grandmother.
I am not in this to become a science experiment, nor am I attempting to gain fame, money or the like. I have always dealt with people like you, so accusations of deceit really are not going to bother me in the least.
I will, however, call BS on your claim to have examined every piece of of microfiche and “other data” from 1905 to 1925. For one, you do not even know what you are talking about, (could not even spell it properly); and for two, the libraries in and around Pittsburg did not begin to keep newspapers for archival on microfiche until the 1940s.
Good night, and God bless.
RETS(Quote)
Again, I ask the question: If you do not believe it, why ask the question you did?
People who ask questions only to hear what they want to hear and nothing else have a special term in the English language, Kathy. It’s not profane, and it is not rude- It simply is.
It is called willfully ignorant.
RETS(Quote)
Thank u kathy, and excuse my foul language, I was just really …well impressed Iguess! RETS is right, I did not search EVERY piece of data, only major stories. I mean, something like that surely made it to historical data… But our friend here knows what kind of resources i have and dont have. Well conviniently, no records exist, exept for the one he can provide.. Whatever samson. And I’m sorry for the spelling mistakes, spanish is my first language, but i guess that makes sense, i can’t spell so, i can’t do research?????? Whatever, my offer stands. live well and I hope you grow up son, the world needs all the good people it can to help make this a better place, storytelling like this is not viewed well by mature people, believers or otherwise. Again thnx for the kind words kathy, my best thoughts go out to you.
Dr. O(Quote)
Btw, dude, she didn’t ask a question just now, she made a comment. But anywho, Noone believes your ridiculous claims. I wont waste any more time on this thread or with you, I have important things to do, have to go raise my IQ again after reading your … I’ll keep the word out this time. Oh, i do need some trees removed, do you do freelance uprooting? i could save a lot on heavy equipment…ROTFLMAO!
Dr. O(Quote)
My question asked if anyone knew WHEN those particular fallen angels were bound. You seem to think there are still some running around and of course I’m interested in your opinion. Since I originally posed the question, I have found the answer myself in other places. I don’t mind hearing your stories. It’s just that I don’t think you should try to pass them off as truth. I too have traced my family tree way back many generations. Your claims can very easily be verified even though they supposedly took place 87 years ago. You need to go further back if you’re gonna’ make up a story about a relative with 12 toes and 12 fingers. I could probably call the VFW in Pittsburgh tonight and talk to some 95 year old guy who actually KNEW your great grandfather. I know you’d like to be a Nephilim and have some kind of supernatural powers but it just isn’t happening. Be glad you only have 10 fingers and that God still loves you anyway. P.S. Nazarite Vow? Come on now. What does God think about you prevaricating while under a Nazarite vow?
Don’t answer that question. I am also off of this thread.
Kathy Cavoores(Quote)
She did not ask a question just now, you are correct. However, this entire line of discussion began with a question she posed.
As for the trees- Sure, no problem. It’ll cost you, though.
Take care, and God bless.
RETS(Quote)
Fare enough, i should have read from the beginning. Glad to see you have a sense of humor, I like you already… I’ll let you know about those trees
Dr. O(Quote)
Sounds like a plan, man!
Humor is pretty important to life; a lack of humor leads to a sparsely attended funeral… Just ask Scrooge.
RETS(Quote)
RETS-
Just want you to know that I have a friend that I have known for many years who is a believer. (He was one of my students at Teen Challenge when I was on staff in the 90′s)
He was born with 6 fingers and toes on each hand. He is only about 5’8″ and 145#. He had the extra finger removed shortly after birth but still has twelve toes.
He says this is common in his family and they always remove the extra finger. He comes from Georgia but I do not know if that is significant.
Further-research and personal testimonies on Steve Quayle’s website indicate they are still around. Also using English translations of scripture and assuming they mean something is, at best, misleading. That Jesus/Yeshua led captivity captive does not, necessarily, have anything to do with evil, Nephillim or anything unless one reads Greek (I do not). Be led by the Spirit. The Holy Spirit will teach us what we need to know.
There is NO scriptural support for all of the Nephillim having been destroyed. That is speculation. Since, Julius Caesar reports having fought 9′ giants in his diaries we know they were alive then and many legends around the world include them.
Up to and including 11′ skeletons were found in Ohio in the 1800′s by early settlers in mounds. Maybe they were pre-flood?
tjcoop3(Quote)
Rets-
The last part was for the naysayers not you. :=) Sorry!
tjcoop3(Quote)
Dear T, Six fingers doesn’t make a person Nephilim. Ever seen the ‘Lobster Man’? I saw him at the circus when I was a kid. His hands and feet were like claws….an inherited trait in his family. Some of his kids got it and some didn’t. http://www.phreeque.com/grady_stiles.html Don’t underestimate the work Jesus did on the cross. He has been given all power in Heaven and on earth. He did a total and complete job of redeeming us. You know, He could have just let our physical bodies decay and disappear but He didn’t. He made special efforts to redeem the same bodies we now have because He also loves our bodies as part of us. I just don’t believe Jesus left us here for our bodies to be continually defiled by evil fallen angels. I have not seen a single proof of these claims of recent Nephilim activities. Not one. If we can easily find photos of the “Lobster Man”, I think we would be able to find legitimate verification of Nephilim. By that I mean, I don’t believe an angel has procreated with a human being since the ascension of Christ (at least) and any giants we have uncovered are inherited physical traits from the original activity. I’ll be looking for your 12 toed friend in Heaven. God bless him and you also.
Kathy Cavoores(Quote)
Thanks, TJ.
Thing is, some skeptics will always remain so. I do not hold it against them; some people simply cannot handle the fact that what they know may not, in fact, be whole and complete. It does not affect their salvation, and we will see them on the other side. They may have to answer for accusing their brethren of deception, or they may not- We don’t exactly have a checklist for final judgment.
Regardless, I appreciate your standing with me, and for your clarification at the end.
God bless.
RETS(Quote)
Hey Kathy,
Just so you know, Part 1 of the new Nephilim series is up.
http://beginningandend.com/bloodlines-of-the-nephilim-a-biblical-study/
Beginning and End(Quote)
In studying the Bible I cannot locate any passage where a fallen angel or demon was able to materialize a physical form to humanity. Satan himself has to use a man, the antichrist, to carry out his program against mankind. Thus it would stand to reason that if these “sons of God” were the fallen angels then they would have to inhabit existing creatures available on earth.
mike hubbard(Quote)
In my opinion, it’s quite obvious that B&E has done a vast amount of research into this matter and he does present some compelling arguments for his point of view. Although I wouldn’t say that my view of this subject is “dogmatically” aligned with that of b&e, after browsing through this webpage, I must admit that I am sure “leaning that way”. I mean the pieces of the puzzle do fit pretty nicely together. In the Garden of Eden when Satan took the “form of a serpent”, do you think he was “possessing” the body of a reptilian creature or do you think that he was actually embodying a physical form?
Dave(Quote)