The Nephilim – Giants in the Bible

David slaying the giant Goliath – “And there were giants in those days, and after that..”

Numbers 13:31But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. 32And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. 33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

When Moses sent his spies to scout the Promised Land so the children of Israel could enter it, the spies reported seeing beings there who were giants. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that there were races of people at that time who were so large, that regular sized men appeared as “grasshoppers” before them (other references can be found in Deuteronomy 2:10-11, 2:21, and 3:11 or the story of David and Goliath for starters). And we see that when the great servant of the Lord, Joshua, was sent to conquer the Promised Land that God commands him to kill all of the men, women and children of these giant races. They were to be wiped as if any remnant of their kind would post a great danger.

So what is this all about? The Bible of course has the answers. Since the day Satan was removed from his position serving God and cast out of godly service as the first sinner and a traitor (Ezekiel 28), he has been conspiring to try to thwart God’s plan of creation and redemption for humanity. And part of his conspiracy is what caused the flood in Genesis. This conspiracy is going to play out all the way to the End of Ages and as we know will end with our King and Savior Jesus Christ being triumphant over Satan and his armies.

The Days of Noah

So let’s start with Matthew 24:26. In Matthew 24 Jesus discusses the temple in Jerusalem being destroyed while it was still under construction. This prophecy of course came true in 70 AD when Titus destroyed the temple and Israel as a nation. Everything else in Matthew 24 is discussing the period known as The Tribulation. We know this from Matthew 24:3 which states: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So clearly we see these are questions regarding the end times. And in Matthew 24:36 The Word says: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus explains that the times on Earth will be like the days of Noah before the flood. So now we should look to those times to see what made them unique. In Genesis chapter 6 the Bible states: 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose… 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Now many people have debated whether the “sons of God” refers to angels or men. And this is precisely why we have to examine the Bible as a complete book and not just hang ideas on one verse. First of all, the Hebrew words for the “sons of God” is B’nai Ha Elohim, which would means these are Heavenly beings, giving credence to them being fallen angels. And then we see the children of these sons of God and daughters of men were “mighty men” and of “renown.” They were also “giants.” Something in their genetics made them super-sized people. And it was their fallen angelic parentage.

But again, we must keep searching the Bible to make certain of meaning. The Bible is self-confirming and one passage of Scripture can always be confirmed by another. We see the term “sons of God” next used in the book of Job. Job 2:1 states: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

The Hebrew term here once again is B’nai Ha Elohim. And as we know these sons of God here are clearly Angelic beings who are presenting themselves before The Lord (in Heaven). And Satan is among them (who of course is a fallen cherubim – a type of Heavenly being). So there should be no mistaking what the Hebrew term now means. The implication here is that fallen angels married human women and produced children with them. And this act was so abhorrent to The Lord that He punished them. First with the flood and then with imprisonment.

In Jude 1:6 the Bible states: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Here we see a reference to angels who left their “habitation” and are reserved in chains until Judgment Day. So which angels could these be? Clearly we should all agree that this is not a reference to Satan. Satan is not in hell. He is roaming the Earth seeking to destroy and deceive as many people as possible (see Job 2 again where the devil says he was walking “to and fro” on the Earth). The Devil and most of his fallen angels are on Earth doing spiritual warfare and will not be sent to Hell until their time of Judgment (Revelations 20). The fallen angels being referenced in Jude are the same angels who had relations with “the daughters of men” (human women). We see the immediate reference to Sodom and Gomorrha afterwards indicating sexual sin (in addition to other lascivious behaviors, the men of Sodom were sexually attracted to the male angels staying with Lot). And as for the “habitation” the angels left, it is the spiritual realm. Many scholars say this habitation refers to the fallen angels leaving Heaven, but again that would not explain why they would already be in hell under chains until Judgment Day since the fallen angels are not in Hell yet.

Looking at 1 Peter 3:19 we see more confirmation: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

So again we see there are spirits who are “in prison” meaning they are already in bondage of Hell. Hell or Sheol at this time, was the holding place for the unsaved who died and Jesus went there to make a triumph over them (Colossians 2:15). And plus, verse 20 makes it clear that the disobedience of these spirits took place at the time of Noah, right before the flood! So again, it all comes back to this time and the specific activity that caused some of the fallen angels to be put in prison before Judgment.

The book of 2 Peter gives even further confirmation: 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; The angels who are already in Hell are again linked to Noah. Plus there is a reference to the sexual sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.

So the question at this point is: why were fallen angels doing this? And why was this such a serious offense that the offending angels were put in Hell immediately? The answer lies in Genesis 3:15.

3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall break thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This amazing, beautiful verse is the first promise of a redeemer, our Messiah Jesus Christ. The Lord is telling Satan that the seed of a woman will eventually crush him. Now we know all over the Bible the lines of genealogy are described through men. The same for a seed (i.e., the seed of Abraham). But the one seed spoken of from a woman is Jesus Christ (“Behold a virgin shall conceive a son and His Name shall be Emmanuel..”). The only way we could be saved was through a virgin birth with The Lord providing the baby to a virgin woman. Jesus being both 100% man and 100% God allowed him to take all sins of humanity and save us all. So Satan, seeking to stop this plan thought of a way to corrupt it: by having fallen angels taking women and having children with them! By doing this he could ruin the lineage of the coming Messiah by making him part fallen angel. And to no surprise, the people who were becoming increasingly mixed with fallen angels were becoming increasingly evil.

The corruption was so bad the Lord states: Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
The Lord shows regret for even making any living creatures.

But Noah found Grace in the Eyes of God.

In addition to being a faithful servant to The Lord Genesis 6:9 tells us that Noah was “perfect in his generations.” As opposed to referring to his moral perfection (and Noah of course being a man, was not perfect) this phrase meant was that Noah’s lineage was 100% human. Noah did not have any Nephilim in his family line so he was able to carry on the lineage that would lead to Jesus Christ. Thus the flood was not the judgment out of anger many make it out to be. It was a necessary act to prevent the extinction of humanity and allow us to have salvation through the Messiah. The lineage that led to Jesus was preserved through Noah. And we see Genesis 11 goes to great detail to list the lineage going from Noah to Abraham so there is a record.

Of course Satan continued to conspire against The Lord from that point and continues today. The repeated temptation of the Israelites to worship him (in the form of other gods like Baal and Molech), tempting Christ in the wilderness and then going into Judas to provoke the conspiracy to have Christ killed. All these things fulfilled The Lord’s plan because He all along knows what is going to take place and moves all things, good and evil towards His Ultimate just and righteous Purpose. So in the end times will the Nephilim return? It’s possible. Many speculate the alien phenomena could be a “disguise” for this. But the main point for the Christian is to not be deceived by any of this. Instead, let us rejoice in knowing that no matter what the adversary attempts the ultimate victory lies with Jesus Christ our Risen Savior.

**For a more detailed Biblical study of the Nephilim please see our new article
Bloodlines of the Nephilim – A Biblical Study

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  1. Bible research: Who are the giants in the Bible: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/Biblegiants.html

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    • No where in the bible does it mention Satan was an Angel of God. In fact Jesus called him a liar from the beginning and the father of all lies. Now unless God has more than one spirit. He was created by God for God’s known reason. As an acusor of men. God does not create something and then changes it to another. The watchers, are described in the Bible as angels, that is true, but is time to bring an end to this deception.

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      • Hi Meg,

        Thanks for your comment. Please correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like you are claiming that Satan was created as an evil being as opposed to a good angel who fell. This is a notion that has been expressed in the book Deconstructing Lucifer among others. I strongly disagree with this position. I will provide several reasons why:

        1) Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 – These 2 esoteric passages are describing Satan in his pre-fall state. Ezekiel 28 says:

        “12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.”

        Living in Eden, being perfect in all ways, visiting the holy mountain of the Lord…these are things the King of Tyrus never did. Clearly a super-human being is view here. And then verse 14 announces that this being is the “anointed cherub that covereth.” So it is my contention that this passage while addressed to the “King of Tyre” is truly addressing the spiritual power behind the king, namely Satan. And verse 15 indicates that Satan was good, untiil iniquity was “found in him.” So Scripture does describe a good and holy being, who later fell into sin and condemnation.

        2. Other witnesses in Scripture – 1 Timothy 3, in listing the requirements for a pastor, reinforces this same history of Satan:

        This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;…. Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

        In very clear language, this passage provides the original sin of Satan: pride. And in his pride, he was lifted up and rebelled against The Lord.

        3. The sin of other angels – The book of Jude details angels who were created Holy but later sinned and were judged for it:

        6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

        Again, in very clear language we are told of angels who left the spirit realm and sinned by fornicating with human women. And now they are chained in the abyss awaiting their final judgment. So we can know, once again, from scripture, that there are angels who were once good but turned evil and rebelled.

        I hope that clears things up. God bless. – B&E

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        • Perry stone has a good study on this topic. He has the manna feat. Just google his name.

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        • Where in the word of God does it say that these Angels had sex with humans?

          And if these Angels are in chains why is the Prince of Persia stll a very strong demon who can fight Angels?

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      • Child of God says:

        Hey guys! God bless yall both. Both of you guys make very interesting points,but we all can agree that God is a God of all knowing. Us being human can have flaws in our on understanding. In the readings I seen a lot of words suggesting possibilities of what the the truth is….Timothy 1:4 (Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogiea, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.)We just are not made to know everything. Somethings just need to be followed by faith. Corinthains 1:25 ( Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men). His wisdom can’t be understood by us except what want us to understand. Lets just all agree that he is God and he do what he want.The only limitations he have is the ones he put on himself.

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        • Seeker after Wisdom says:

          Not so! God’s Holy Word is for us to study! Proverbs tells us to meditate on them day and night, to gain understanding in them. We must not be content with our human limited understanding of scripture, but constantly seeking greater wisdom and praying for God to reveal the mysteries of His Word to us.
          B&E is correct, scripture is self-confirming, it always backs itself up if the reader is diligent in study. I have seen nothing written here that does not line up with scripture.
          Interestingly enough, after spending 2 years studying old testament, I came to the exact same conclusions, and after searching the web to verify or counter my findings, stumbled across this site.

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          • The Genealogy of Jesus Christ

            23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,[a] the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

            If the sons of God were the Angels who were created in the spirit realm…….And are NOT under the laws of the physical to Marry……….Then how did they have sex with humans?

            I think God wants us to use our brain some of the time…………….Read Leviticus.

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    • I meant as long as God has two beginnings and not spirit, editing error please forgive.

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    • How is Satan the king of Tyrus? Why would god waste his time over one fallen angel, whist many have fallen. It was Adam, our father, who had iniquity in his heart, for he said in his heart that I will be like the most high! Besides the man of perdition, is not the satan nor an angel, or whatever, it is a man, and his number is 666. We are specifically asked to use wisdom here, for if Gods number is 777′ created the world in 7 days and every number referring to God in the bible, is 7. Man number is 666 meaning it is not perfected. Paul does not say it is the number of a fallen angel, not an evil spirit, It is the number of a man, who is fighting God, and that man was Adam. And Jesus came dying for us , him being the new Adam, the father of mankind. This is somewhere in the scripture. If Satan was an Angel, the bible would be clear about his story, but he was a servant, God will never change a man into an angel, nor an angel into a sepert. Satan was a spirit, not the son of God!

      There is only one mention of Lucifer in the bible, meaning dawn of the morning. This has been mistranslated and the meaning changed by the enemies of God, who wish to hide the truth. Adam was created perfect, but he sinned and God took him away from his natural estate. Adam never confessed. Even in the book of Enoch, which is mentioned I think by Paul, thus a righteous man, he goes into detail about the watchers, but no mention of Satan being an Angel. This has been a story in the popular culture, but is is a deception. I suggest you look into it and talk about it in deapth. it will help people open their eyes. Thank you, sorry for being vague but I am at work and cannot get into too much detail. Thank you reading.

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      • Hi Meg,

        Thanks for responding. I understand the disagreement with my interpretation. It can certainly be debated whether or not Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 reference Satan. However, the text certainly seems to support that some supernatural being is in view. Ezekiel 28 refers to the “annointed cherub.” This seems to disqualify Adam. In addition, we are never told of Adam being on a Holy mountain, walking in stones of fire, etc. That is just not in Scripture.

        Additionally where in Scripture are we told that God’s number is 777??

        You say God would “never change a man into an angel, nor an angel into a serpent.” Again, where does the Bible say this? You seem to be making a lot of assertions and rules that are not listen in Scripture. Furthermore, how do you reconcile this belief with the judgment of Nebuchadnezzar?

        “13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven; 14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches: 15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth: 16 Let his heart be changed from man’s, and let a beast’s heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him. 17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men…28 All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.

        29 At the end of twelve months he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon. 30 The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty? 31 While the word was in the king’s mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. 32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. 33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles’ feathers, and his nails like birds’ claws. – Daniel 4.

        Nebuchadnezzar was literally turned into a beast by The Lord. So God can indeed change the form of a being and turn into another.

        As for the name Lucifer, it was a Latin appellation given to Satan when the Bible was being translated. I know much has been made about this, but I fail to find any significance in it. You say the “enemies of God” wish to “hide the truth.” What truth is being hid? How does the use of the name Lucifer once in Isaiah 14 change the message of the Bible? I fail to see the argument here. I don’t know if you have read Deconstructing Lucifer, but I have and it makes all these arguments, so I am familiar with this line of thinking. I just don’t really get the significance.

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    • This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666. Revelations 13:18

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      • Seeker after Wisdom says:

        Scripture is telling us that any thinking man can calculate the number of the beast. It is not saying the number belongs to a man.

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    • The Lucifer Error

      One of the many sagas of organized religion is the story of Lucifer. As the story goes,
      Lucifer was a high ranking archangel, the leader of the heavenly choir; that he along
      with Michael and Gabriel ruled the heavenly host. Then Lucifer, as the story goes, led a
      revolt against God taking a third of the angelic host with him. In the fable, Lucifer and
      his followers were cast down to Earth where Lucifer became God’s arch-foe, Satan.

      For the most part Isaiah 14:12-27 and Ezekiel 28:1-19 are used to support this position
      but as with most religious fables there are scriptural problems. For a start, Lucifer is a
      Latin term used only in the King James translation; it occurs only once. (Isa 14:12) This
      is an inadequate scriptural basis for a mainline church doctrine. Look at verse 16;
      Lucifer is a man, not a spirit. In verse 15 the word hell is in reality means the grave. In
      verse 19: a carcass (dead body); a spirit does not have a carcass. Note too, thy grave;
      a spirit has no grave. Clearly the prophet is not speaking about Satan.

      Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou
      cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
      Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my
      throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the
      sides of the north:
      Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
      Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
      Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
      Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
      Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that
      opened not the house of his prisoners?
      Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own
      house.
      Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the
      raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones
      of the pit; as a carcass trodden under feet.
      Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy
      land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
      Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do
      not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
      Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from
      Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
      Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will
      sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
      Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it
      come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
      Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him
      under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their
      shoulders.
      Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the
      hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
      Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his
      hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

      Now lets look at Ezekiel: In verse 2 the prince of Tyrus is a man. In verses 8 and 10,
      Thou shall die. Again a spirit cannot die. As before, the prophet is not speaking of a
      spirit, but of a man.

      Eze 28:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
      Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because
      thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the
      midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the
      heart of God:
      Eze 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from
      thee:
      Eze 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches,
      and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
      Eze 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and
      thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
      Eze 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the
      heart of God;
      Eze 28:7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations:
      and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile
      thy brightness.
      Eze 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them
      that are slain in the midst of the seas.
      Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a
      man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
      Eze 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for
      I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
      Eze 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
      Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto
      him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in
      beauty.
      Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy
      covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the
      sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and
      of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
      Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou
      wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the
      stones of fire.
      Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till
      iniquity was found in thee.
      Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with
      violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain
      of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
      Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy
      wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before
      kings, that they may behold thee.
      Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the
      iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall
      devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that
      behold thee.
      Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou
      shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

      Now lets look at what scripture said about Satan: Ye are of your father the devil, and
      the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
      not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh
      of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:44)
      He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this
      purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
      (1 John 3:8)
      The Amplified Bible has this interesting note concerning this noted LUCIFER: “Some
      students feel that the application of the name Lucifer to Satan is erroneous, even
      though it is commonly taught to that effect. Lucifer, THE LIGHT BRINGER, is the Latin
      equivalent of the Greek word phosphoros, which is used as a title of Christ in II Peter 1:
      19 (…until the DAY STAR arise in your hearts.) and corresponds to the name `BRIGHT
      MORNING STAR’ in Rev. 22:16, which Jesus called Himself. The application of the
      name Lucifer has only existed since the third century A.D., and is based on the
      supposition that Luke 10:18 (I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven) is an
      explanation of Isaiah 14:12, which authorities feel is not true.”
      Satan was a murderer and a liar from the time he was created. He was never an
      exalted archangel. He was never a worship leader in heaven. He was never Lucifer, the
      light bearer. Satan was created as murderer and a liar. He was created as a waster
      and a destroyer. I have created the waster to destroy.
      (Isaiah 54:16)

      If not Satan, then just who was Lucifer, the light bearer? Before Jesus there was only
      one man that could even come close to the description given by the prophets: that man
      was Adam! Read again the above scriptures with an open mind and you will see Adam.
      Before the fall he was full of wisdom and beauty; he was in the Garden of Eden; he
      walked on the holy mountain of God. Both prophets were speaking of Adam before and
      after the fall.

      For there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according
      to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers–itching in the hearing,
      and indeed, from the truth the hearing they shall turn away, and to the fables they shall
      be turned aside. (2 Titus 4:3,4)

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      • Hi Meg,

        The article you posted does not address 1 Timothy 3.

        3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

        2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

        …..6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

        This one passage refutes the entire article. Scripture is clear that Satan fell into condemnation due to his pride. Thus we know he had to have once been good, in order to “fall” and then be “condemned.” I have yet to see one article or book on this topic that addresses this very clear verse.

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        • I thought it might be of interest to you that this theory is one which Lucifarians use to recruit within churches. There are a few other failings of this theory that you haven’t addressed:

          1. Is Meg stating or suggesting that God is capable of creating evil, thus contradicting His own nature?

          2. Is Meg stating or suggesting that God is capable of rewarding evil for obedience, thus contradicting His nature?

          3. Regarding the “man into angel, angel into serpent” thing, is Meg suggesting that God did not reform the serpent in Genesis 3?

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    • Is God contradicting himself then, saying that Satan was created of the utmost beauty and wisdom, perfect, then calls him a murder and a liar with no truth ever created in him, and thus from the beginning? Which is it?

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      • Seeker after Wisdom says:

        Meg, I believe you are only here to create disharmony. You are not actually looking for answers to your questions and I don’t think you are even interested in the answers being given to you. Such is the position of those who are not looking for the truth, but are only interested in spouting lies.

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    • Hi,

      Since when is satan a man, the verse clearly states he falls into the condemnation of the devil, as Adam did! He chose SatanS deceptions and not God, and satan did not walk in the gardens of Eden. Even is he was an angel, since when did angels enjoy the garden of Eden made for man, you reduce to answer my last question still, sin cannot touch God, not its kingdom, yet the devil satan was made a muderor, and created with no truth at all, open your mind, pray. It will come to your understAnding, the last verse you send just proves my point, God is interested in man! His beef is with man not an angel.

      That is why the Watcher, were never forgiven, God did not go into a war with them, he banished them forever, why would God engage in a fued with a fallen Angel, is he that petty? No, it is out of his deep love for us, that he has let time unfold as it has, and will continue, to unfold as he has told. You need to start reading the bible with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and not what you are taught. Thank you.

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      • blessings meg, please read phillipians 2. he always had the nature of God from the beginning, by his own will, he gave up ………………….’ he was with God he was like God[same authority] but he gave up all His honour and took up the form of a servant he took on the form of a human being. he came and lived among us in humility and obedience up to the hour of his death on the cross. my statements above seems to be feeble but think about the transformation that took place before our Lord Jesus Christ was revealed to us. Our lord Jesus Christ tells us that the ruler of this world [SATAN] is coming and he has nothing in common with Him[Jesus]. satan is an evil spirit which is yet to be revealed as a man that the bible talks a bout and when this takes place all the scriptures you quoted above will be manifested to the simple minded if God wills because during those days ,life will be almost unbearable as you know.

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  2. 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose… 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    I understand where you come from in the sons of God being Nephilim and great article by the way. But another thought came to mind, just before this verse I believe, it states Cains bloodline and then Seths bloodline. Could that indicate that YHWH is showing the line of the son of man (Cain/a mighty hunter) who fell also and was cast out of the sight of God and not a son of God anymore, and Seth (son of God/still walking in Gods ways) so saying it this way…That the sons of God (Seth) saw that the daughters of Cain (man completely seperated from God) were fair, and mixed with them (like Israel did with the moabite women/ that He commanded NOT to mix with as they would lead them astray to worship false gods) and Nephilim also means, fallen, like Cain had and was not walking in Gods ways, AND rebellious as in a giant rebellion, like there is today? So it also could mean that there was a giant fallen rebellion in those days when Seths sons went into Cains daughters and after that (after that does not state after the flood either. some have interpreted this meaning after the flood, but it does NOT say that) and this mixed bloodline made mighty men of renown. The infuence of ungodliness, just look at the world today. This is just another way I have looked at. Also we who know the Lord, still come before the Lord like in Job, I come before Him everyday when I study His word, and praise Him. Satan who WAS going to and fro from the earth doesn’t mean they were in heaven nor does it state it, he just came beside man also. He is roaming around us today when we present ourselves to the Father. Does what am saying make sense? Just my thoughts on it, but you did put some puzzle pieces together for me with the “immortals article” I am still pondering on all of this. Enough to make ones mind spin, and praying that YHWH will give me more insight to all of this.

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    • Hi Lisa,

      Thanks very much. I’m glad you enjoyed the article. Now as far as the Sons of God being the line of Seth, I think that the verses from Job do indicate a heavenly gathering. For more on this see Psalm 82 (where God sits among a council of “gods”). Another passage to look at would be in 1 Kings chapter 22: 19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. 21And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. 22And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. I think if you look at this passage we get an even greater indication of the “meeting arrangements” in Heaven. God does indeed meet with both good and evil angels in Heaven. Just something to consider.

      I also think the passages from Jude and 2 Peter chapter 2 with reference to the angels who sinned, demonstrate that there are certain evil angels who are presently imprisoned for sexual sins. And their crime involved going after “strange flesh.” Those passages in context, demonstrate that there were some type of illicit relations. And then when 2 Peter 2 specifically mentions the time of the flood and Noah being spared in connection with those angels being punished, it all ties together – evil angels, at the time of Noah, married human women and had Nephilim offspring. And were punished for this.

      A final thing to consider would be why there were giants at all? Giants are referenced in Genesis 6 and Deuteronomy 13 among other passages. Something happened to the human gene pool that led to these enormous, powerful, demonic beings suddenly being born throughout Canaan. And God often commanded that these same beings be wiped out completely. Again, when seen in totality, it all makes sense that their elimination was necessary to preserve humanity and bring forth the Messiah. I hope that helps clarify things. God bless.

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      • Thanks for your answers I will study those passages to make myself a good berean :) Like I said, ” Alot to ponder on”. So when were all of them wiped out, when Joshua led Israel into Canaan? I should know this, is that why Goliath and he also had a few brothers I have been told, were the last of their kind? So the Nephilim will be realeased once more when Satan opens the abyss and that same rebellion will happen again like in the days of Noah? This is why we dont see this stuff today? Who are the demons that Yahshua(Jesus) casts out. Are they fallen angels as well or seperate. I have never really studied this stuff before. Sorry, my wheel is spinning.

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        • The last mention of Nephilim is in 2 Samuel 21. It seems that the final descendants of the Nephilim were among the Philistines, who again, were enemies of Israel. King David and his armies defeated the last of them. Goliath, who was the Philistine Champion, was a giant. And the giants at Gath were called descendants of the giants, and were still of supernatural size in addition to having six fingers and six toes on each hand and foot respectively (2 Sam 21). The spirits of the Nephilim (known as demons or “unclean spirits” in the New Testament) were sent to the abyss, but it appears some still roam the Earth. Hence the fear of the demons called Legion who encounter Jesus in the Gospels. They beg not to be sent to the abyss and Jesus grants their request. But the abyss or pit will be opened in the end times as seen in Revelation chapter 9 at the 5th trumpet.

          “23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both. 23:9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees’ part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.”

          The Bible makes distinctions repeatedly between a demon or “spirit” and an angel. I believe the demons are the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephilim. Hence their constant desire for a corporeal body (even going into pigs as we saw with the demons called legion). Whereas angels have celestial bodies. In any event, while their interaction since The Lord Jesus’ ascension has clearly been limited, in the Great Tribulation, both the fallen angels and demonic forces will once again openly interact with humanity.

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        • Great article sir! I thought I might chime into this conversation
          and give me two sense. I actually have studied this quite in depth
          myself over the last several years and believe I have a nugget I can
          add to this conversation.

          When the Bible says that Noah was “perfect in his generations” as you
          mentioned at the end of your article, the Hebrew word used there for the
          word “perfect” is tamiym, which means “without blemish” or “healthy.”

          The reason that is so important is because that is the exact same Hebrew
          word used in Leviticus to describe an unblemished, sacrificial lamb.

          So yes you are correct this means Noah was not perfect morally, but that his
          physical make up -DNA – had not been contaminated with Nephillim descent.

          The line of Seth and line of Cain theory is easy to discredit if you study
          Hebrew. God Bless! Come quickly Lord Jesus!!

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      • Kathy Cavoores says:

        I have enjoyed all the conversation and article very much! Thanks! I have recently been studying this subject and I am wondering if you know WHEN these fallen angels were bound? They seem to have married women AFTER the flood. They are in Canaan and you (as well as others) say Goliath was the last one. Yet we do see giants after Goliath. Their bones have been dug up. Also, St. Christopher is said to have come from Canaan and was a Nephilim with a head resembling a dog. Some just say he was extremely ugly but he is depicted with a dog’s head many times. Possibly the later giants were not as tall but we have seen some as tall as Goliath. What do you scholars think? When were they bound?.

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        • Personally, I do not believe that the Nephilim ever ceased to exist- Moreover, though those who propagated them in Noah’s time were bound around the time of the flood (near as can be told from Bible study), this does not mean that others are not still attempting the same tired tactic.

          If there’s one thing I have learned with my own interaction with the ‘Forces of Darkness,’ as it were, it is that they never truly learn.

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          • Kathy Cavoores says:

            Hi RETS! I’m enjoying your contributions to the conversation! I know the Book of Enoch is not currently considered scripture by Christianity in general (although it was at one time). The fact that Jesus made reference to it is good enough for me to consider the book as accurate. According to Enoch, there were 200 angels who procreated with human women and they have all been bound someplace other than earth (and they will never be forgiven). God said they would see the death of their sons and the spirits of their children would be left on earth and called evil spirits. So, if we believe that then we know Nephilim are still here in the form of evil spirits. I agree the Nephilim may still be trying to procreate but without a body that would be impossible. If some of the ‘watchers’ or other angels had succeeded in reproducing with women I think we would all know about it. When they did it the first time, they consumed mankind and let’s just say everyone knew they were around. :-)

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            • Kathy Cavoores:
              Hi RETS! I’m enjoying your contributions to the conversation!I know the Book of Enoch is not currently considered scripture by Christianity in general (although it was at one time).The fact that Jesus made reference to it is good enough for me to consider the book as accurate.According to Enoch, there were 200 angels who procreated with human women and they have all been bound someplace other than earth (and they will never be forgiven).God said they would see the death of their sons and the spirits of their children would be left on earth and called evil spirits. So, if we believe that then we know Nephilim are still here in the form of evil spirits.I agree the Nephilim may still be trying to procreate but without a body that would be impossible.If some of the ‘watchers’ or other angels had succeeded in reproducing with women I think we would all know about it.When they did it the first time, they consumed mankind and let’s just say everyone knew they were around.

              I too hold that the book of Enoch can potentially be considered inspired- But the question comes to: “What part of the book of Enoch is original?”

              You see, Christ and Jude both quoted from only the very first chapter, and while everything within that first chapter agrees with the Bible as a whole, there are parts within the rest of the book which do not. Thus, it is plausible that the entire book of Enoch written by the original author was no more than that first chapter, with the rest of the book being written by a “ghost writer” much later.

              Also, let’s go ahead and look at what is needed for procreation. Aside from the obvious physical aspects, it is necessary for there to be both the soul and the spirit. The soul is not too difficult, regardless of what has been traditionally thought: The soul is comprised of the will, the mind and the emotions. The spirit, on the other hand, is far more difficult.
              Now, let’s go ahead and think about some of the things which are normally only reported on in the tabloids: Alien abductions. What is the common thread throughout these events? With few exceptions, there is the feeling of loneliness, fear/terror, and of course the violation of person. The fact that the tabloids are the rags carrying these stories should not dissuade anyone from looking into these stories…
              A few years ago, I tracked down a woman who had been featured in the Weekly World News prior to its dissolution. The “alien pregnancy” they reported on was now a six year old boy. She was understandably loathe to speak with me, but I assured her I would never reveal who she was, and that my interest was purely personal. After reassuring her, I discovered that this young man, at the age of six, had a vocabulary to match most university scholars; he was doing advanced math; reading books on quantum physics, and generally was a genius in all senses of the term. He also stood over four feet tall- At six.

              I do not profess to understand the HOW of the matter: I only state unequivocally that it is taking place. She is not the only woman to have given birth to such a child; according to statistics from the seventies, there are between 25 and 30 such births every year- And so-called “alien encounters” have only increased. What’s more, these children are absolutely going to be men and women of renown, provided that they do not burn out before reaching adulthood. This only goes that much further in pointing to this still taking place.

              I have a few theories on this phenomena, but I’ll hold off on them unless you and/or BaE are really interested in them. In the meantime, may I suggest looking up Josh Allum on YouTube? His video and accompanying playlist “The Alien Conspiracy” is first rate, and he and I are on the same page a great deal.

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          • Kathy Cavoores says:

            Greetings RETS! I do appreciate your diligent research. In the interest of brevity I will only say a few things. 1) One of my family members is 5 yrs old and 4’5″ tall. A 6 year old is not a giant at 4 ft tall. 2) I am familiar with the Alien Conspiracy. I don’t believe Nephilim are either being created or reproducing anything. I do think there is a lot of trash going on out there in the world but I don’t live in the world. I live in the Kingdom of God. The Boss over me has been given all power in heaven and in earth. Whatever is working wickedness has already been judged and their judgment is written. Nothing will change that. 3) I’m wondering why the Illuminati is allowing all their secrets to be blasted on You Tube. Even your “eye” picture could be interpreted as a symbol proving you are a member of the Illuminati. 4) I must stick to the simplicity of Jesus. He spoke so idiots like me could understand that nothing shall by any means harm us. His wonderful Holy Spirit still bears witness to the truth so we don’t have to be led astray and succumb to fear. It doesn’t matter who wrote something thousands of years ago because we have a living Witness to the truth. God bless you my brother. Have peace.

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  3. yolanda says:

    I read the whole article but I stilI have a question. If the earth was rid of the Nephiim in the flood. and the only people left were humans, then where did the giants the israelites fought come from?

    i think i missed something

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      Hi Yolanda! From what I have studied, Jewish tradition says that Og held onto the top of the ark and survived the flood that way. They have quite a story about Noah throwing him food etc. I do respect the Jewish traditional stories because they have always kept careful records of their history. I am inclined to believe this one since I have heard no other explanation and the giants did seem to disappear with Og.
      and his sons. Possibly St. Christopher had some DNA or genes in his family from the Nephilim offspring….I’m still researching myself.

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      • Hi Yolanda and Kathy,

        Thanks for this great discussion. I am familiar with some of the ancient Jewish sources that say Og hung onto the ark. It’s very interesting that in ancient Jewish culture, and even modern Orthodox culture, there is no debate about the Nephlim – they believe(d) 100% in the Genesis 6 account.

        I think the Bible also points to another possibility: that the wives of one or more of Noah’s sons carried the Nephilim genes and thus allowed for giants to re-appear after the flood. I have done a LOT of research on the Nephilim giants in the past month for a new article that covers all of the groups of giants in scripture before and after the flood (there are many), their major influence in the struggles of the Israelites and their bloodline that can be traced through scripture.

        I am in agreement with you both that there was no further angel/human intermarrying after the flood. The post-flood giants were descendants of other giants. And as succeeding generations were born, they did get smaller, which is also detailed in scripture. So please, stay tuned. God bless.

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        • TruthInLove says:

          The possiblity of uncleanliness being in one of Noahs Sons is supported by Gensis 9:22-25

          22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

          23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.

          24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

          25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

          Canaan was a descedent of Ham who did something to Noah while he was drunken asleep. We can speculate if just looking at Noah bare was the sin or something more perverse I dont know anywhere else in the Bible that speaks of this incident. But whatever it was we know that Abraham told Issac not to marry a Canaanite Woman which came from Ham’s lineage. On another note ” I be going Ham, letting people know who I am!” is a slogan that rappers have used so they maybe telling us what they represent. Just a thought. Good discussion altogether this validates the evil world we live in and should motivate us to do the Will of God: Repent, Believe, and Love.

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          • You’re right on, in my opinion, with a lot of what you said.

            However, with that last bit, regarding ham? That is “H.A.M.,” and it stands for “H.ard A.ssa M.uthaf****.” It is a phrase originally coined by Jay-Z and Kanye West in their collaborative album. Moreover, it is not a phrase that ALL rappers use. Quite honestly, most of us consider the phrase to be stupid and ignorant, taking an art form we love and making it a joke.

            I only bring this up because as Christians, we have a duty to not only present the truth, but to do so with accuracy; to be beyond reproach- Not just in what we do but also what we say and how we say it.

            God bless, mi familia.

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            • But Ham did have sex with his mother and produced Canaan………..The child was cursed by Noah as it would bring in deformities……..Cush, sired Nimrod who married his own mother and produced a “god”…..(cherry god). Shem then killed Cush because of the child sacrifices that are still happening around the world in covens and Groves..today!

              The laws of Leviticus about sexual behavior are still the laws that most decent people keep to this day…….Even though they say the law of Moses is obsolete!!
              And we have far too much proof of the terrible circumstances where children are born with two heads and some with many legs…….Mostly because of incestual parents..

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          • Quote from Truthinlove:
            Canaan was a descedent of Ham who did something to Noah while he was drunken asleep. We can speculate if just looking at Noah bare was the sin or something more perverse I dont know anywhere else in the Bible that speaks of this incident. But whatever it was we know that Abraham told Issac not to marry a Canaanite Woman which came from Ham’s lineage. On another note ” I be going Ham, letting people know who I am!” is a slogan that rappers have used so they maybe telling us what they represent. Just a thought. Good discussion altogether this validates the evil world we live in and should motivate us to do the Will of God: Repent, Believe, and Love.

            And this is a very good reason why “Christains” should understand the laws of God……..It clearly states in Leviticus that a man uncovered is about sexual things……..Read this law and then understand that Ham must have had sex with his mother while Noah was becoming a drunk!!

            The brothers obviously knew what was happening while Noah was sleeping it off…………The bothers then covered there heads as if to state that they wouldn’t have anything to do with this vile incident…………Some idiot even think that the brothers of Ham took a cloth and literately covered their heads and walked backward into the tent to cover Noah………Anyone with any sense would read it like it’s written and know the brothers were disgusted at what took place and then Noah discovered that his wife was pregnant……….He then cursed the child because it would have that deformed seed in it………….And after Canaan produced Nimrod who had sex with his mother…………Even marrying her and brought in child sacrifices………….Shem killed Cush because of this!!!

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        • Another point which strengthens your own, BaE, is the name of those within the land of Canaan. Notice that they are called the “sons of Anak.” Where was the last place that name is mentioned?

          Back in Genesis, as a Nephili that stood out even among the Nephilim.

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    • Think about it… there were 7 others on the Ark besides Noah… it only takes one of them to of had an infected gene pool for it to be carried on. :)

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      • Noah’s wife was the infected gene as HE was the last in HIS generation………..He had to marry a Canaanite woman or partly mixed race…………Noah was the end of the perfect seed of God from Adam. And by waiting 500 years before he married then he must have looked over most of what he could do to bring in the rest of mankind……….. And if Ham had sex with his mother, then this would again bring in a deformed gene pool who then produced Canaan, Cush, and the evil Nimrod who married his own mother and brought in child sacrifices!

        Notice Noah’s sons are NOT mentioned in Genealogical order like the sons of God from Seth to Noah.. This is a very good point for us to take note that Noah sons produced a mixed seed………..And that is who we are on this earth today……….And we are so far gone in the gene pool that we can’t last much longer than 80 years!

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        • Fact check:

          Noah could not have married a Canaanite woman since the Canaanites were descended from his own sons.

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          • Fact check:

            Noah could not have married a Canaanite woman since the Canaanites were descended from his own sons.

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            Wrong! Noah was the LAST OF HIS GENERATION……….He was a pure seed from Adam. He had to marry a mixed breed from Cain’s linage…………..Therefor she named her son Canaan………..Meaning from Cain!!! Only Canaan went into Canaan to settle and produced Cush the Bell God, and then Nimrod who married his mother……….All the same gene pool.

            Cain was marked by God………………..And then his linage had to be destroyed, but Noah had to marry and carry his perfect seed over the flood…………..His wife then brought in the offspring of Cain through Ham her son!

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            • Valerie: Wrong!Noah was the LAST OF HIS GENERATION……….He was a pure seed from Adam. He had to marry a mixed breed from Cain’s linage…………..Therefor she named her son Canaan………..Meaning from Cain!!! Only Canaan went into Canaan to settle and produced Cush the Bell God, and then Nimrod who married his mother……….All the same gene pool.

              And your biblical basis for this seemingly nonsensical tripe is…?

              Valerie:Cain was marked by God………………..And then his linage had to be destroyed, but Noah had to marry and carry his perfect seed over the flood…………..His wife then brought in the offspring of Cain through Ham her son!

              Aside from the lack of biblical support… You DO realize that the mark God put upon Cain was a blessing and not a curse, right?

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              • It bother to read the Bible you will then know it was both……….A blessing to save his life, but a curse to hunt him down………..God doesn’t play with fools!

                You show me the blessing and i’ll show you the curse!

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                • Well, this whole comment is rather difficult to read for a few reasons, not the least of which is formatting and spelling.

                  I’m going to assume that this part:

                  Valerie: It bother to read the Bible…

                  Is supposed to read “IF YOU bother to read the Bible…” thus making the whole first part:

                  Valerie: It bother to read the Bible you will then know it was both……….A blessing to save his life, but a curse to hunt him down

                  As anyone who has read through my responses to this and other articles on B&E’s site, I not only read but study the Bible, and more than most people, for that matter. The mark was a blessing- It was not a curse.

                  The mark was put into place because of the curse God had already placed upon him. It was a sign of protection; it was an act of mercy; and it was a symbol of His love, if one gets right down to it- But the mark itself was not a curse.
                  Furthermore, nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about the mark placed upon Cain being meant for anything other than protection. It was placed there to prevent people from hunting him down, not to hunt him down.

                  Valerie: You show me the blessing and i’ll show you the curse!

                  Your theology (if indeed it can be called that) on this is archaic, really. I say that because you are using the same line of reasoning which led people in the 1500’s through the 1800’s to believe wholeheartedly that blacks were inferior and worthy of enslavement. Their belief was grounded in the idea that the mark which God placed upon Cain was darkened skin, and that it was passed to all of his descendants, thus making them a cursed race, and less than the so-called civilized world.
                  The entire theory, however, was predicated upon the belief that the mark of Cain was also his curse. The Bible, however, makes very clear that such is not the case. See for yourself:

                  Genesis 4:9-16 Authorized King James Version: And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper? And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand; when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

                  The chain of events in this passage are as follows:
                  1. Cain is questioned by the Lord regarding the death of his brother Abel.
                  2. Cain denies knowledge of the event.
                  3. The Lord demonstrates His omniscience by telling Cain that He knows what happened.
                  4. The Lord curses Cain to wander; to never again successfully till the ground; to be a fugitive (though the argument could be made that this was more a statement of fact than curse, as he’d be on the run from his own family anyway); and to be a vagabond (that is, one living in exile, not one constantly wandering the earth- We often run into a translation issue here).
                  5. Cain complains that his punishment is too much to bear (and it really is a lot of whining- “Everyone who finds me will kill me!”) His complaint takes up a full two verses, 13 and 14.

                  It is only at this time that we see anything about a mark being placed upon Cain. Moreover, the mark is placed there to do what? According to the Word of God Himself: “If anyone attempts to kill Cain, vengeance will be taken upon that person seven-fold.” The mark set him apart from other people, yes- But also protected him from everyone else.

                  There was no curse to that mark: It was all a blessing.

                  Valerie: God doesn’t play with fools!

                  Oh the irony of that statement. Let us examine that claim, shall we?

                  First, we have Adam and Eve themselves; their foolishness was perhaps borne out of naivety, yet their foolishness cost them the Garden of Eden and their lives. (Genesis 3)

                  Second, we have Noah himself; his only claim to righteousness, as stated in Hebrews 11:7, was obedience. The man obviously had little to no control over his sons; and in his rage, cursed not just the son who offended him, but his grandson as well.(Genesis 9:20-27)

                  Thirdly, there is Abraham. A man who brought a cantankerous nephew on a journey into the wilderness (Genesis 12:4-5); who offered his wife up to a ruler as his sister twice (Genesis 12:11-16; 20:1-2); who allowed his wife to run the family to such a degree that when she suggested he sleep with her maid he agreed without hesitation (Genesis 16:2-4)- The list of foolish acts done by this man goes on.

                  Fourthly, there is Isaac, for choosing favorites (Genesis 25:28) and doing exactly as his father had done in offering his wife up as his sister (Genesis 26:6-7).

                  Fifth is Esau, who gave away his birthright- One of the ultimately most foolish acts in Genesis- For a bowl of soup (Genesis 25:29-34). Yet God used him to protect his brother in the end (Genesis 33:1-16).

                  Sixth is Jacob, whom God renamed Israel after physically wrestling with him (Genesis 32:24-30). Jacob was cunning, but he was about as dumb as they come when it came to simply living. This is the man who, in fear of his own life, sent everyone ahead of him into the land of his father- Leaving himself alone and defenseless (Genesis 32:1-24).

                  Seventh is Joseph- The yappy little brat who didn’t know enough to keep his dreams to himself. That proved to be utter foolishness (Genesis 37).

                  Eighth brings Joseph’s brothers in as a tie- Each and every one of them, instead of telling their father to keep his precious baby boy in line, sold him into slavery and managed to keep it a secret for years (Genesis 37; 44:20).

                  Ninth- Moses. Here’s a guy who has grown up as a prince (Exodus 2:10), and who as a result could simply order the guard who’s carrying out the beating to be executed on the spot… And Moses kills him with his own hands instead (Exodus 2:11-13). Then, instead of standing around and getting the wrist slap that would have been given him had anyone found out, he runs blindly into the desert (Exodus 2:15). Then he questions the voice of God as it’s coming from a burning bush that isn’t being consumed by the flame (Exodus 3). Let’s skip over a few things and – There he is breaking the original tablets which God cut from the mountain (Exodus 32:19)! This guy’s list goes on.

                  Number 10- Aaron, the brother of Moses. The dude made an idol for the Israelites and and attempted to pass it off by saying that the calf simply walked out on its own (Exodus 32:24).

                  Number 11- Miriam, the sister of Moses, whom God used several times, yet who still was not immune from foolishness when she attempted to depose Moses as leader on account of Moses’ wife (Exodus 12:1-15).

                  12- Joshua, who managed to be God’s handpicked general for the people of Israel, and yet still manages to be conned by a group of inbred halfwits with moldy bread (Joshua 9:3-15).

                  The list could absolutely continue- I skipped Balaam, for instance, a great many others- But the point is proven. God may not “play” with fools (unless you consider wrestling, breaking bread with, counseling, etc. playing), but He certainly does have a soft spot for them, it seems.

                  All in all, Valerie, you strike me as someone who has not studied to show yourself approved, nor someone who could stand and give a reason/defense when someone challenges you on your beliefs. Instead, you seem to be reactionary; someone merely spewing out what has already been regurgitated; someone who is full of vitriol, venom and spite without actually knowing why.

                  As such, you have my sympathy.

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            • Hi Valerie,

              Thanks for your comments, I would like to respond:

              You wrote:

              “Wrong! Noah was the LAST OF HIS GENERATION……….He was a pure seed from Adam. He had to marry a mixed breed from Cain’s linage…………..Therefor she named her son Canaan………..Meaning from Cain!!! Only Canaan went into Canaan to settle and produced Cush the Bell God, and then Nimrod who married his mother……….All the same gene pool”

              Cain, or Qaiyn in Hebrew (כָּנַע) means “possession.” “Canaan”, or כְּנַעַן in Hebrew means “lowland”. It does NOT mean “from Cain.” The two words do not have the same spelling or root in Hebrew. The root of Canaan is Kana in Hebrew (כָּנַע) which means “to be made low.” The root of Cain is qanah in Hebrew (קָנָה) means “to possess.” Once again, in no way are these words related. Please use caution when reading the many incorrect Biblical theories that one can find out there (including the ones on this site).

              As for Noah’s wife being of Cain’s lineage, it is not in Scripture and highly unlikely. And Noah, being a Godly man, preacher and believer in the Word of God, would NEVER allow his child to be named after Cain, the first murderer.

              As the Nephilim series will show, all signs in Scripture point to Noah’s son’s wives carrying the Nephilim gene through the flood.

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              • As I have already explained: Canaan was NOT Noah’s son! And that is why he cursed the child!

                We must use logic in understanding why Noah would curse an infant……….Even from his own family……………..The logic is this: Moses tells us that Noah became a wine maker………Why? What reason would Noah have to make wine other than to drink it!

                Even though Noah was a Son of God and the LAST of his generation he obviously went through a terrifying time of the flood…………He then rests after all things start to renew and grow and become a husbandman……..Then he become drunk on his wine.

                What does his wife do…………..She starts to look else where for attention and Ham impregnated her with Canaan……….The child is hers from her linage…Not from Noah!

                Another understanding of this disgusting act is in the law of Leviticus………Who wrote this book?………..Moses! So he would associate this act with the sexual law of incest. The uncovering!

                So both books are written by the same person with the same law in place………God’s law of natural things did not change………….A man should stick to his wife. A wife should stick to her husband. One type of animal must stick to the same type. Or it will become deformed or a hybrid. Or like a mule ……..A dead seed!

                Noah was the last of his gene pool………..A perfect seed that would eventually bring in the Christ………….But NOT from HAM’s linage because he brought in Canaan, Cush, and Nimrod…………Who then married his mother and became a god figure……..None of Cain’s linage worshiped the Almighty in the way he wanted……But they obviously loved religion…………Nimrod brought in child sacrifices………..And worship of the most evil filth……

                You say Noah was a godly man…………He was man who had been through the tribulation of the flood and had to made do with a wife from the tribe of the linage of Cain…………..How would you feel? Would you then want some wine!!!

                The Word of God is only understood by those who search for truth………..Nothing can be made to look good if it isn’t! Adam was perfect in every sense but had to have relations with Eve to bring in another seed…………..Cain was not from Adam, but it didn’t stop Adam from taking on that sin and bringing in Able and Seth!

                Read Leviticus and learn that Noah was uncovered by HAM!! As in sexually improper behavior with his mother!

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                • Hi Valerie,

                  With all due respect, you are now obfuscating. My point in my comment to you was clear: you wrote, with great emphasis that the name “Canaan” means “from Cain” as this somehow proves Cain’s lineage living past the flood. And it has now been shown that this was absolutely incorrect. This idea is a part of the misinformation found in many Biblical blogs and youtube videos and is not a reflection of Biblical scholarship. Are you going to acknowledge that you were in correct in this assertion or do you still stand by your Canaan is “from Cain” theory?

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    • From some brief bible study..Although the nephilim bodies were destroyed in the flood what about their spirits? This could be a reason why there were still giants after the flood.

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  4. could their still be DNA of nephilim in the world today?

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    • I firmly believe that to be so.

      This question, however, leads to areas that many Sola Scriptura believers do not wish to go, because it means relying on external proofs as opposed to Scripture Alone.

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      • The third part of the new Nephilim series will look at extra-biblical sources, megalith structures and pagan myths since the Nephilim giants are clearly being describes/connected to them. But you are right in that this site when it comes to establishing a Biblical point, relies solely on Scriptures.

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        • That wasn’t a slam on the site, my friend, or you for that matter. I have no problem with Sola Scriptura.

          My point, which was obviously not made clearly enough, is that when one reaches a certain point, there is no longer Biblical accounts which one can take from. Scripture still comes into play, but as for actual accounts of historical or cultural nature, the Bible cannot say anything because these took place after it was “closed.” (Finalization of canon, etc.)

          For instance, the Bible speaks of a time when God will draw the children of Israel back to the land given them, and they will once more rule within it. That’s the prophecy; but the Bible could not give you the historical account of 1948, whereupon May 14 Israel was declared a sovereign nation once more.

          I hope that is a bit more clear an understanding of what I meant earlier.

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          • Oh no worries. I did not take it as a slam at all. And I definitely get your point about events happening post-finalization. I just thought that on this particular topic there is so much overlap with secular historical sources, it should be addressed.

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  5. Beginning and End:
    No doubt. I am very close to posting the new Nephilim article. It’s very in-depth. I look forward to your thoughts on it.

    I am very much looking forward to it, in all honesty. I think that some of the reasons for my own personal interest in the subject would sound strange to most people, which is why I tend to avoid discussing the topic at length with folks.

    Suffice to say, however, there are legitimate reasons I believe the Nephilim remain with us; and that they are far from irredeemable.

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    • Good. I hope you enjoy it. It’s long and in-depth to the point that I had to split into several parts. And when you check it out please feel free to share your thoughts on the Nephilim still being among us. I’m very curious.

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  6. Kathy Cavoores:
    Greetings RETS! I do appreciate your diligent research. In the interest of brevity I will only say a few things. 1) One of my family members is 5 yrs old and 4’5″ tall.A 6 year old is not a giant at 4 ft tall. 2) I am familiar with the Alien Conspiracy. I don’t believe Nephilim are either being created or reproducing anything. I do think there is a lot of trash going on out there in the world but I don’t live in the world. I live in the Kingdom of God.The Boss over me has been given all power in heaven and in earth.Whatever is working wickedness has already been judged and their judgment is written. Nothing will change that. 3) I’m wondering why the Illuminati is allowing all their secrets to be blasted on You Tube. Even your “eye” picture could be interpreted as a symbol proving you are a member of the Illuminati. 4) I must stick to the simplicity of Jesus. He spoke so idiots like me could understand that nothing shall by any means harm us. His wonderful Holy Spirit still bears witness to the truth so we don’t have to be led astray and succumb to fear. It doesn’t matter who wrote something thousands of years ago because we have a living Witness to the truth. God bless you my brother. Have peace.

    Thank you for that apparent slap in the face.

    1) The gravitar is me. That is MY face, and MY eye, and the only reason it is halved is a size constraint.

    2) In a family of people that only reach about five feet in adulthood, four feet at six years old is huge. That said, I did not realize that part of my post had also been removed. (I have a touchy mousepad, and it provides me with no end of fun in retyping entire posts thanks to errant highlight/deletes.)

    3) If you truly think the Illuminati controls everything, then your point number two is nothing but empty words; words without faith. Is God on the throne or isn’t He? Is Yahshua Ha’Meshiach, or isn’t He? Is the Holy Spirit truly in control, or isn’t He? If YHWH, the full Trinity, is not on control, then yes- We ought to wonder how the Illuminati could possibly allow “all their secrets to get blasted all over YouTube.” If our God IS in control, however, then it does not matter.

    4) See point 3.

    Finally, believe what you wish- That is up to you alone, and between you and God. However, why bother asking questions to which you do not wish to know the answers?

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    • Kathy Cavoores says:

      Hi! Thanks for the laugh today. :-) I’m sorry to see we have a failure to communicate. I was not intending to slap you in the face but just be brief. Apparently that doesn’t work so this will be my last post on this subject. I do not believe the Illuminati is running everything. My point was that IF they were, they wouldn’t allow their secrets to be shown on You Tube. I did think that was your real eye – and I LIKE it. I just meant that if we were to believe everything on You Tube, one would interpret your eye as a symbol of Illuminiti membership. If angels were procreating still, I would expect that their children would look like their previous children who are aptly described in the Bible. We see no evidence of that. Don’t be mad at me. I like you. :-)

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      • ROFL!

        Boy- We’ve got to love text, huh? “All your miscommunications now in one convenient place!!”

        I understand what you were saying now. I apologize for my snappy reply- I’m afraid you got some of what was left over from an argument I had with some overly zealous “Christians” about ten minutes prior to responding. (Think Westboro Baptist, and you’ll get a picture of these folks.)

        Anyway, I can totally see your point. With that said, may I ask for one more response?

        Do you think a normal seven year old could rip up twelve to twenty foot tall trees out of the ground by their roots?

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        • Kathy Cavoores says:

          Yes, I think a seven year old could do that if he was demon possessed. Being demon possessed in a human body is different from being Nephilim. The Nephilim body itself was apparently an extreme distortion of the flesh so the body became sometimes more than 12 feet tall, sometimes had six fingers or toes and sometimes had two rows of teeth….as I’m sure you know. Demon possession such as you describe is extremely hard on the body and ages one fast. I would certainly not expect the child to live very long. Samson (in the Bible) had strength probably like you mention but that was given to him by God for a specific purpose and didn’t apparently bring harm to his human body.

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          • Okay.

            The reason I ask is because I knew this child- And he was not demon possessed. He only recently has taken the Nazarite vow. As we both know, there are certain signs which are presented by a true child of God: He had them all, even at seven, down to Divine revelation that would often cause his pastor and the elders of the church to pause and reflect on what he’d said.

            Add to this the knowledge of his great grandfather. The man was a lumberjack in the northernmost forests of New England, and actually spent the majority of his time in Canada working at his trade. He stood a verifiable 7′ 10″ tall and weighed in at over 400lbs- At the time of his death, he was reported to have weighed 486. He also had a terrifying temper, according to the news article I was shown.
            He got into a barroom brawl and killed a man with his bare hands. When the police arrived to restore order and arrest him, it took 27 rounds to put him down. Before he went, he took a police officer’s life after having already been shot twelve times. The most bizarre aspect about his physiology, according to the coroner, was that he had a total of twenty-four digits: Twelve toes, and twelve fingers.

            This is one reason why I believe that there is a strong possibility of Nephilim presence still here among us. I know that many believe the Nephilim were little more than monsters in flesh, yet this was not true of them all, as seen in the Bible. The digits remain constant, but the hideous appearance otherwise cannot be found in any other account.

            Anyhow… It has been good talking to you, Kathy, and once more- Please accept my apology for reacting the way that I did!

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            • Kyle W. says:

              Hey RETS & Kathy, sorry to ‘Necropost’ here (that means reviving an old thread.). But if you’re still reading this site I have a few things to add that might prove worthwhile to this topic-

              1.) The Illuminati are very much deliberately ‘outing’ themselves, but as with their leader, the Devil, they are mixing truth with lies. One of the primary occultists of the early 20th century, Alice Bailey, wrote a book called “The Externalization of the Hierarchy”, wherein she stated that making occult secrets known was a vital part of their plan. They will create essentially a ‘scapegoat’ New World Order that the world will bring down in a revolution, then out of that ensuing chaos they will bring about their *TRUE* NWO, in which the Antichrist will reign.

              2.) I also believe that as God so often does, He brings evil plans to good ends and in this outing of occult secrets, He brings His children additional clarity into the plans of the enemy. This would include more & more Christians coming to understand the role of the Nephilim in scripture & how such things become more & more relevant as we approach the last days.

              If you’re not already aware, I would look into the works of Rob Skiba, who has compiled a lot of other people’s work in addition to his own on this subject-

              http://www.babylonrisingblog.com/Nephilim4.html

              That’s part 4, but pertains to this conversation. I’ve been looking at this issue for over 20 years & he’s put together one of the best works out there.

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  7. Dale Holliday says:

    Great article I have done this same research and have spent hundreds of dollars buying old archeology and explorer books….. Nepal (yes from the hebrew) still has real nephilim…. with more diluted descendants making it into afghanistan (google giant afghan image…. tho he could just be on the larger side of humanity). plus read a great old history called myths and legends of the celtic race, cannot remember whp wrote it sorry…. it describe giants and many other things that make sense in light of Scripture. Keep up the fight for the Truth….. and when Apollyon rises (not the tom horn version) the world will know a new reality, glad I will be busy eating :)

    also getting your hands on older unedited copies of ancient histories will be a must to get a full understanding of what happened to the nephilim after the flood

    also I believe (but am not dogmatic about it) that the last of the fallen angels were rounded up in joshua’s day….

    Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
    Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
    Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD’S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

    now i realize that most have been taught that this is a Christophony, I completely disagree just read it in hebrew… Joshua did not worship the Angel of the LORD he bow’d down or layed prostraight in front of…. also there are Holy Angels (rev14:10 also a good verse for those who say hell is the seperation from God) and it is holiness the requires the shoes to be removed.

    God bless your endevors

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    • Hey Dale,

      Thanks very much for your comments. So you know there is a news series of articles on the Nephilim that started today. Here is the link to Part 1:

      http://beginningandend.com/bloodlines-of-the-nephilim-a-biblical-study/

      Part 3 will look into secular ancient accounts of the Nephilim giants as well as megaliths like Balebek, the pyramids, etc.

      And I completely agree about Apollyon Rising. I will be right up there eating with you. lol.

      Re: Joshua and the Nephilim — While Joshua did indeed conquer a great deal of the giants, he did not destroy all of them:

      And at that time came Joshua, and cut off the Anakims from the mountains, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel: Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities. 22 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained.

      Looking forward to your thoughts on the new article. God bless.

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      • Dale Holliday says:

        i was saying that was when i thought the fallen angels were stopped from their bastarding deed… the Captain of the armies of the LORD was there not just to help Joshua defeat Jerrico (bet they could have done that without angels help after God was on their side) but as Captain he had now come…. to stop the fallen from doing what they had done before the flood… namely destroying the human genome. but like i said i am not dogmatic but if anyone has a better time, convince me.

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      • Dale Holliday says:

        i was saying that was the timing of the end of the fallen angels procreating with women. nephilim exist as a genetic group up until now, just very few left. and I would agree that the alien abduction phenomenon is a modern version of the fallen angel hybridization, but due to our now highly degraded DNA they are having problems. their DNA matches preflood DNA best and we have more than 22000 recorded mutations…. we are missing that crucial part that allows easy hybrids. eh that’s only my opinion and they are worthless ;)

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  8. Dale Holliday says:

    polydactylism is what it is called when modern humans have extra fingers and/or toes and is usually accompanied by other congenital abberitions… as opposed to oligodactylism which is too few fingers or toes. this is a real and very well documented phenomenon. I grew up knowing a oligodactyl (4 fingers and toes on each appendage)… she was at the summer camp ground we kept out camper at.

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  9. yolanda: Think about it… there were 7 others on the Ark besides Noah… it only takes one of them to of had an infected gene pool for it to be carried on.

    Think about it… there were 7 others on the Ark besides Noah… it only takes one of them to of had an infected gene pool for it to be carried on.

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  10. I have a book coming out in 3 to 4 weeks that will explain a lot of the mystery’s of The Nephilim – Giants in the Bible . The book is called The Lost Ancients.

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  11. This is an amazing topic; and good comments or opinions on the topic. Thank you all for the imformation you have provided. Mathew 24:37 reads “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
    Many things were happening in the days of Noah.
    1. The interaction of beings from other “dimensions” were interacting with earthly beings.
    2. There were giants. (hybrid beings.)
    3. Their reasoning was corrupted with evil thoughts.
    4. Yes… Their DNA was tampered with. Not as God had created man.

    “The “coming of the Lord” will be as in those days of Noah.”
    We sure are seeing many things that were in the days of Noah.
    Very soon, the interacion of beings from other “dimesions” will begin to manifes with earth in ways that it will be accepted or be normal. Some earthly entity with a lot of power will begin to introduce this topic to the world in order to begin to see it as normal or good. I am NOT talking about “aliens”; but, evil or demonic of some sort; to prepare for the big disception, the anti-christ, and the false prophet.

    Thank you all for this topic.

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  12. a lot of bull. trace dna of this so called satans giants. dinosour dna has been found so satans giants should not be a problem ? every thing that we can not explain ends up to be from satan. God tells me to forgive my enemies and I comply. If God practise what he preech and forgive satan then there would be no more giants, temptations, problems and suffering in this world. If they become friends again then hell would not be needed and all of us would go to heaven. But because of Gods mistake and his unwillingness to forgive humankind must pay the price ?

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    • Wow… What?!

      GOD’S unwillingness to forgive?

      Bloody hell…

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    • Are you really that stupid to think Satan would be happy with people like you………………He is making himself to be the most high!

      So why should God forgive this evil Devil as he kills his own people………..Also who do you think your enemies are?

      Maybe it is YOU!!

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  13. Michael J Best says:

    I thank you for this opportunity. I can also quote many bible scriptures to support my beliefs. However, the Bible can be misinterpreted among those who do not have the spirit with them, 1 Cor. 14:33. “For God is not the author of confusion…”

    Do not look for, and be content with scientific proof or facts. Also ask in prayer, the questions why, who, and how. Open you mind and heart to the Lord, and he will open yours. Let’s first start to understand God as a person or being, if you will, too. Only then can we understand His plan and His struggles, and the signs he’s given us.

    I do not claim to know the answers. I seek truth, not only thru proof.

    Michael.

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  21. Nephesh roi says:

    Wow, the fun never stops!

    Theories pour in wave after wave, yet, all based on the same Bible!!

    First it was the fallen angels raping human women and producing some hybrid DNA creatures “ROBBING” half of our humanity!!!

    Now, thanks to Valerie, it is some Serpent raping a human woman producing some other hybrid DNA creatures “ROBBING” the other half of our humanity!!!!

    So we, human beings, are no longer us human beings, in the image of God as originally God created us because we have lost our humanity to 100% hybridisation!!!!!!!!!!!

    Wow, now it seems God is helpless because He has no true humans to save to heaven because hybrids are no longer eligible for salvation according to this blog!

    Really it is fun to read and I sit with my fingers crossed for the next wave of theories wondering what ……. comes ……. next …………!

    This is NOT “rightly dividing the Word of Truth” (2 Tim 2:15).

    This is WILDLY dividing the Word of Truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    and i just want say thank u 4 ur site

    god bless you- if u can plz read quran-I love Bible and Quran

    And I love JESUS

    see you in heaven

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  23. Check out my buddy’s comic book he wrote here
    http://nephilites.com/ A very good/fun read. I love showing people this site also!!!

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  24. i just came across this site and read the article and many of the comments.

    i believe that if we take the info given to us about the giants we can also use it to explain dinosaurs.

    lets look at some of the verses in Gen 6

    7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them

    we know why God wanted to destroy man but why also the animals?

    12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth

    we know that giants had corrupted man but it says all flesh not just man

    20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

    why would God stress after their kind?

    i know the original article is old but i just came across this site.

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    • You said: “we know why God wanted to destroy man but why also the animals?” All the Animal DNA was also corrupted by Mixing Animal DNA with Human to Create Hybrids like the Centaur, Satyr ..etc Omly the Animals on the Arc were not Corrupted

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  25. William A. Dlubak says:

    Meg,
    See Isaiah 14:12-15 and JOB 1:6-12. Satan was an angel. Lucifer means light bearer. He was an Arc-Angel. I suppose you do not read the Apocrypha?

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  26. Reg Sappie says:

    IMO its about Possession of Animal Hybrids by the Watches leaving their House to Inhabit a Hybrid House..to Corrupt the Line of the Messiah at the behest of Satan .and Went into means Invitro Fertilization NOT SEX….Married = One Flesh as in Possession of their Soul <
    Job 4:18 Behold,2005 he put no trust539, 3808 in his servants;5650 and his angels4397 he charged7760 with (Shining)folly:8417

    H8417
    תּהלה
    tohŏlâh
    to-hol-aw'
    Feminine of an unused noun (apparently from H1984) meaning bluster; braggadocio, that is, (by implication) fatuity: – folly.
    H1984
    הלל
    hâlal
    haw-lal'
    A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify: – (make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.
    H8417
    תּהלה
    tohŏlâh
    BDB Definition:
    1) error
    Part of Speech: noun feminine
    A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from an unused noun (apparently from H1984) meaning bluster
    Same Word by TWOT Number: 2494b

    Gen 34:7 And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard it: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly5039 in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter;

    Its a different word ???????????????????????????????Hello
    H5039
    נבלה
    nebâlâh
    neb-aw-law'
    Feminine of H5036; foolishness, that is, (morally) wickedness; concretely a crime; by extension punishment: – folly, vile, villany.

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  27. It stands to Reason that No Sex was involved in Jesus Conception..but it was Invitro Insemination using Adams Preserved Sperm before He Sinned…So Likewise the Watchers were familiar with the same Technology ..and only wanted to Corrupt the Seed of the Woman at satans behest… with Animal DNA to Stop the Seed of the Woman from Crushing satans head. So “Went Into” is “Invitro” and the marriage or “take wives” means “One Flesh” or possession of their Mind and spirit.
    Neither Enoch or his readers had ANY Concept of “Invitro Fertilization” so he wrote in Terms they could Understand…We know from the Book of Daniel that “Iron and Clay” will not mix. and Jesus clearly stated Angles have no reproduction organs and they do not Marry or have sex…the did lust after sex but that can only be experience vicariously thru Possession as in Incubus and Succubus <

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    • Hi Reg,

      Thanks for your comments. But I believe you make a number of points that are not mentioned or supported by Scripture. With respect to The Lord’s conception, the Bible clearly states that “…for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.” (Matthew 1:20). There’s no mention of Adam’s sperm or genetic contribution whatsoever. So I think this point is wild speculation.

      Regarding angels, The Lord never says angels do not have “reproduction organs.” This is just not in Scripture. And with respect to marriage, The Lord said “angels in Heaven” do not marry, a reference to Holy angels, not the apostates who sinned with human woman in Genesis 6.

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  28. I too have read Deconstructing Lucifer, and I totally agree with you:” I just don’t really get the significance either”.

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  29. You said: “By corrupting the seed of the woman, Satan could prevent the birth of the Messiah, who of course, had to be human and not part fallen angel”.
    I would add a small correction here:
    Not part Angel..but Part Animal..and up until that time ..satan could only temporarily Possess a spirit that sinned as Cain did…but an Animal Human Hybrid would have no resistance…and the fallen spirit would have a permanent home

    Gen 4:5 but He did not have respect to Cain and to his offering. And Cain glowed with anger, and his face fell.
    :6 And Jehovah said to Cain, Why have you angrily glowed? And why did your face fall?
    :7 If you do well, shall you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin (satan)crouches at the door; and its desire is for you, (to Possess you) and you shall rule over it.(If you do well and do not Obey that Voice)

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  30. You said:”Regarding angels, The Lord never says angels do not have “reproduction organs.” This is just not in Scripture. And with respect to marriage, The Lord said “angels in Heaven” do not marry, a reference to Holy angels, not the apostates who sinned with human woman in Genesis 6……………………………………………….I could also say this is wild speculation…that apostates angels sudden grow physical organs…such silliness…I will give you this that they can appear as “Messengers of Light” like Nachash in the Garden…but they still are Light Beings..and their DNA will not Mix with Humans…they tried it but according to Daniel clay will not mix with Iron..metaphorically. So that only leaves them with Gene Manipulation corrupted with Animal DNA and Invitro Fertilization

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    • Reg, could you please point to the section of Scripture that describes angelic physiology? I’d genuinely appreciate it!

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      • Sure RETS Here it is..BTW do you have a Face Book Account?
        1Co 15:38 And God gives it a body as it has pleased Him, and to each of the seeds its own body.
        1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh; but one kind of flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another of fish, and another of birds.
        1Co 15:40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the glory of the heavenly is truly different, and that of the earthly different;
        1Co 15:41 one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
        1Co 15:42 So also the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption;
        1Co 15:43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
        1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
        1Co 15:45 And so it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul,” the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit.

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        • Okay, Reg…

          While I see nothing here which could be remotely described as “physiology,” I do see where you’re basing your argument. The difference between physical and spiritual, unless I miss my guess.

          However, might I ask you to indulge me just a bit more?

          How is it that the men who encountered angels in the Bible were physically restrained or in some other way physically affected by these angels, if they are no more than spirit and unable to take corporeal form?

          As to Facebook, I don’t have one of my own, but I and a friend of mine do share his for the sake of convenience. I’ll shoot you a friend’s request.

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          • Its all about the Spirit of God IN Jesus and WITH Angels
            Angels utilize Gods Very Advanced Technology ..think of the “Light” as a Laser Beam or Tractor Beam able to Raise people up…and Cut Chains…and Heal Ears<

            Act 12:7 And behold! An angel of the Lord stood by, and a light shone in the building. And striking Peter's side, he raised him up, saying, Rise up quickly! And his chains fell off his hands.

            They are Photon Beings…able to Transform their Atoms to appear as anything
            2Co 11:14 Did not even Satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light?

            The Power of Gods Distributable Spirit was IN Jesus and could effect peoples Equilibrium and they would fall over

            John 18:6 Then as soon as He had said to them, I AM, they went backward and fell to the ground.

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            • So, am I to take from this that you do not believe Jesus was a physical being either? You’re presenting a lot of ideas so I’m just attempting to keep everything straight!

              Also… If they are capable of transforming their atoms to appear as anything, then by the laws of physics, they should most certainly be capable of appearing, and interacting, as physical beings. Wouldn’t that be right?

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              • Jesus MOST Definitely was a Physical Being as the “Son of Man” and the “Last Adam” but He had within His Human spirit..the Spirit of God from Conception…this is what kept Him from ever sinning…Adam only walked with God..thats the BIG difference between the 1st and 2nd Adam …God IN Jesus…with Jesus having a Perfect Human Spirit…thus the Perfect Unblemished Sacrifice <

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  31. Doug Kirk says:

    I find this study to be of great interest and no pastor I have asked has answered my following question: If ALL Earths inhabitants were killed off in the great flood, aside from those in the Arc, then how did we have Giants once again After the flood? If it were the fallen angels who caused the LORD to destroy the world and those angels were cast in chains, then who and how? Another question, were angels created simply to keep GOD company and serve him, or is it possible angels were the redeemed from a planet GOD started elsewhere? I agree with MEG that if angels were only of spirit, then they could not have laid with women. I am tempted to believe these “sons of GOD” were not fallen angels, but rather inhabitants of another world GOD created and didn’t tell us about for his own reasons. As it was stated, they left “their own habitation” – if it was “their habitation” then it was not necessarily GOD’s habitation, and it sounds like a physical place, not a spiritual realm. I do believe though the ARCH ANGELS are in GOD’s service. I realize my questions seem far out and may come off as cynical. I assure you I am asking out of a genuine curiosity, not out of a condescending nature.

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  32. Bill Whitney says:

    Angles did not mate with humans this is wrong theology. If you read closely in genesis then accept Christ’s words you will understand biblical truth.

    6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    Genesis states the sons of GOD took to them wives, this is a very important statement. Christ stated angels do not marry Matthew 22:30. So if we want to create a contradiction in Christ’s words this is what you are doing since Genesis states they took wives. The corruption is not angels procreating, but men who had the spirit of GOD marring the wives of men who did not have the spirit of GOD.

    Romans and John tells you how to become a Son’s of GOD.

    Romans:8:14-17 [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
    [15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
    [16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
    [17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    1 John:3:1-2 [1] Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
    [2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    I have not read once were a fallen angel came unto men in bodily form. Only GOD’s angels have come to men in bodily form. GOD stated they procreate with their own kind man and angles are not the same kind and cannot procreate.

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    • Doug Kirk says:

      Bill, first thank you for the depth of your reply. I have a few questions regarding your response. Before I get into them, I want to preface, I am not saying you are wrong, I am searching only for truth. Firstly, I am not completely convinced there was no other race of beings aside from man, and the angels which GOD created of whom he decided not to tell us about. (I say this as to partly agree with the theory that angels do not have sex.) On the other hand, the verse in Matthew 22:30 ” For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. ” NKJV This verse does not state angels nor those risen do not have sex, it states they do not marry. While on earth, it’s clear the guidelines GOD has set forth for us are to marry and commit man to wife. In heaven where time is limitless, how can it be beyond the scope of possibility that everyone has sex without ties to another? If we one day will eat, without need of food, then why not have sex without need for procreation? Marriage here is supposed to be a model of Christ and his bride (the church). This is how I do not feel there is contradiction between Matthew 22:30 and Genesis.

      Here is another point, in the version of Biblical text you provided, verse 4 says “giants”. If we skip the English bible altogether and look to an English translation of the Torah, written by Jews it reads as follows: Genesis 6:4 : The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown. Reading the text in this way, the Nephilim where here, but it says the “Sons of Nobles” would come the the daughters of man. I am not sure if it saying the Nephilim WERE “sons of nobles, or that the Nephilim were simply HERE when the Sons of Nobles took the daughters of men.

      Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. KJV
      Ok, great. Problem I am hung up with here is the Holy Spirit of GOD did not descend until Christ had risen. There-fore, if no one in Genesis had the Holy Spirit, then they could not be called the Sons of God, by authority of this passage.

      Actually, where ever angles came and talked to man on earth, they did come in bodily form.

      Again, I am not saying this to correct you, or rebuke you, but to find the truth.

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  33. Why are you people wasting your lives on a BOOK written by desert nomads 2000 years ago?? It’s like listening to a bunch of third graders discuss which superhero is stronger, Superman or Batman. Grow up . There is no proof of Jesus. He never wrote a single thing down. He was one of many claimed Messiahs who believed the end of days were near. The Bible is not real folks.

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    • Paul, I truly feel bad for you. I’m not sure what motivates you, but ignorance of the truth is never an excuse for deriding those who earnestly seek it. It’s easy to belittle what you do not understand. In such circumstance, decorum would behoove you to refrain from comment. May the LORD God Almighty bless you and open your heart to truth.

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    • Well, for one, it wasn’t written by desert nomads 2000 years ago. Fact.

      Secondly, there’s more proof of Christ’s existence than there is for Julius Caesar, not only within the Bible itself, but also outside of it.

      Aside from these points, you’re on your own. I’m not going to tell you that you have to believe what I believe, though I know some Christians will/do. Those two points, however, are egregious misrepresentations of documented fact.

      Unless, of course, you also believe the Holocaust never happened. In that case, you just might be a nut. lol ;)

      Take care, Paul!

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  34. What’s up, this weekend is fastidious for me, since this moment i am reading this impressive edducational piece of writing here at my residence.

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  35. Can someone please tell me of the veracity of Cthy Bates book: Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Aliens: What Does the Bible Say? I’ve been recommended this book through another group. Must say I’m probably more confused now than when I started reading this page…

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  36. Kathy Cavoores says:

    :-) RETS! You are hilarious! What a story! Nazarite vow? :-) Funny! Do you mean he took the life of a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer? Next time you tell that story why don’t you say he strangled the HORSE with his bare, twelve fingered, hands also? It’s fun to make up stories but just never forget Rev. 21:8 “all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” If someone young person believes you and their soul is endangered, you could end up paying a heavy price for entertainment. :-)

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  37. That young boy was me, Kathy.

    And yes, I did take the Nazerite vow found in Numbers 6:1-21. I do not drink alcohol, nor do I eat grapes or raisins. I have not cut my hair in nearly a year, and I have not gone near a dead body, in spite of my grandmother passing away in the time of my vow. My vow is for three years.
    I do not have twelve digits on either hand, nor twelve toes. With that said, however, the history of my family is very clear, and my great-grandfather was absolutely a monster of a man. No, he killed a police officer in a bar near Pittsburg, New Hampshire around 1915.

    What is your aversion, specifically, to the possibility existing? Before you level a liar’s accusation against me, it would be a good idea to examine that first… Because as for me, I have the proof I need- Both Biblical and modern era.

    Again… You asked the question. Why ask, if you did not truly wish to know?

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  38. I call bullshit!. If you have proof, show it to the world, appear on my show, I will give you 30 minutes of uninterrupted airtime, seriously I’ll even throw in a 50,000 reward and I’ll recommend you for the goldman sachs account challenge : anyone with proof of anything paranormal, religious or otherwise not hunly possible receives 1 million, no taxes no questions. Up for it? otherwise you are a liar, plain and simple. I have researched every database, microfish and other data from 1905 to 1925 for near pittsburg, not one mention of this incident. LIAR

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  39. are you saying you are have the Nephilim gene? Hi Rets too, by the way. I only just stumbled onto this site today.

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  40. Kathy Cavoores says:

    Thank you Dr. O for that brilliant observation and your time to research our friend’s claim. In all fairness, RETS may be telling the truth about something……he probably really hasn’t cut his hair in almost a year. :-) Personally, I believe Ephesians 4:7 & Psalm 68:18 which both say the same thing: “When He ascended on high, He took many captives and gave gifts to his people.” If there were any more Nephilim being produced before Jesus ascention, it stopped at that time. Otherwise we would be consumed by their presence and not just have a few people (who won’t identify themselves) telling these ridiculous stories. Blessings to you! :-)

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  41. Believe what you like.

    The article that I have is a cut out that was in the same box as some unposted letters from my great-grandmother.

    I am not in this to become a science experiment, nor am I attempting to gain fame, money or the like. I have always dealt with people like you, so accusations of deceit really are not going to bother me in the least.

    I will, however, call BS on your claim to have examined every piece of of microfiche and “other data” from 1905 to 1925. For one, you do not even know what you are talking about, (could not even spell it properly); and for two, the libraries in and around Pittsburg did not begin to keep newspapers for archival on microfiche until the 1940s.

    Good night, and God bless.

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  42. Again, I ask the question: If you do not believe it, why ask the question you did?

    People who ask questions only to hear what they want to hear and nothing else have a special term in the English language, Kathy. It’s not profane, and it is not rude- It simply is.

    It is called willfully ignorant.

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  43. Thank u kathy, and excuse my foul language, I was just really …well impressed Iguess! RETS is right, I did not search EVERY piece of data, only major stories. I mean, something like that surely made it to historical data… But our friend here knows what kind of resources i have and dont have. Well conviniently, no records exist, exept for the one he can provide.. Whatever samson. And I’m sorry for the spelling mistakes, spanish is my first language, but i guess that makes sense, i can’t spell so, i can’t do research?????? Whatever, my offer stands. live well and I hope you grow up son, the world needs all the good people it can to help make this a better place, storytelling like this is not viewed well by mature people, believers or otherwise. Again thnx for the kind words kathy, my best thoughts go out to you.

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  44. Btw, dude, she didn’t ask a question just now, she made a comment. But anywho, Noone believes your ridiculous claims. I wont waste any more time on this thread or with you, I have important things to do, have to go raise my IQ again after reading your … I’ll keep the word out this time. Oh, i do need some trees removed, do you do freelance uprooting? i could save a lot on heavy equipment…ROTFLMAO!

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  45. Kathy Cavoores says:

    My question asked if anyone knew WHEN those particular fallen angels were bound. You seem to think there are still some running around and of course I’m interested in your opinion. Since I originally posed the question, I have found the answer myself in other places. I don’t mind hearing your stories. It’s just that I don’t think you should try to pass them off as truth. I too have traced my family tree way back many generations. Your claims can very easily be verified even though they supposedly took place 87 years ago. You need to go further back if you’re gonna’ make up a story about a relative with 12 toes and 12 fingers. I could probably call the VFW in Pittsburgh tonight and talk to some 95 year old guy who actually KNEW your great grandfather. I know you’d like to be a Nephilim and have some kind of supernatural powers but it just isn’t happening. Be glad you only have 10 fingers and that God still loves you anyway. P.S. Nazarite Vow? Come on now. What does God think about you prevaricating while under a Nazarite vow? :-) Don’t answer that question. I am also off of this thread.

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  46. She did not ask a question just now, you are correct. However, this entire line of discussion began with a question she posed.

    As for the trees- Sure, no problem. It’ll cost you, though. ;-)

    Take care, and God bless.

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  47. Fare enough, i should have read from the beginning. Glad to see you have a sense of humor, I like you already… I’ll let you know about those trees

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  48. Sounds like a plan, man!

    Humor is pretty important to life; a lack of humor leads to a sparsely attended funeral… Just ask Scrooge. ;-)

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  49. RETS-
    Just want you to know that I have a friend that I have known for many years who is a believer. (He was one of my students at Teen Challenge when I was on staff in the 90’s)
    He was born with 6 fingers and toes on each hand. He is only about 5’8″ and 145#. He had the extra finger removed shortly after birth but still has twelve toes.
    He says this is common in his family and they always remove the extra finger. He comes from Georgia but I do not know if that is significant.
    Further-research and personal testimonies on Steve Quayle’s website indicate they are still around. Also using English translations of scripture and assuming they mean something is, at best, misleading. That Jesus/Yeshua led captivity captive does not, necessarily, have anything to do with evil, Nephillim or anything unless one reads Greek (I do not). Be led by the Spirit. The Holy Spirit will teach us what we need to know.
    There is NO scriptural support for all of the Nephillim having been destroyed. That is speculation. Since, Julius Caesar reports having fought 9′ giants in his diaries we know they were alive then and many legends around the world include them.
    Up to and including 11′ skeletons were found in Ohio in the 1800’s by early settlers in mounds. Maybe they were pre-flood?

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  50. Rets-
    The last part was for the naysayers not you. :=) Sorry!

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  51. Kathy Cavoores says:

    Dear T, Six fingers doesn’t make a person Nephilim. Ever seen the ‘Lobster Man’? I saw him at the circus when I was a kid. His hands and feet were like claws….an inherited trait in his family. Some of his kids got it and some didn’t. http://www.phreeque.com/grady_stiles.html Don’t underestimate the work Jesus did on the cross. He has been given all power in Heaven and on earth. He did a total and complete job of redeeming us. You know, He could have just let our physical bodies decay and disappear but He didn’t. He made special efforts to redeem the same bodies we now have because He also loves our bodies as part of us. I just don’t believe Jesus left us here for our bodies to be continually defiled by evil fallen angels. I have not seen a single proof of these claims of recent Nephilim activities. Not one. If we can easily find photos of the “Lobster Man”, I think we would be able to find legitimate verification of Nephilim. By that I mean, I don’t believe an angel has procreated with a human being since the ascension of Christ (at least) and any giants we have uncovered are inherited physical traits from the original activity. I’ll be looking for your 12 toed friend in Heaven. God bless him and you also.

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  52. Thanks, TJ.

    Thing is, some skeptics will always remain so. I do not hold it against them; some people simply cannot handle the fact that what they know may not, in fact, be whole and complete. It does not affect their salvation, and we will see them on the other side. They may have to answer for accusing their brethren of deception, or they may not- We don’t exactly have a checklist for final judgment.

    Regardless, I appreciate your standing with me, and for your clarification at the end.

    God bless.

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  53. Hey Kathy,

    Just so you know, Part 1 of the new Nephilim series is up.

    http://beginningandend.com/bloodlines-of-the-nephilim-a-biblical-study/

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  54. mike hubbard says:

    In studying the Bible I cannot locate any passage where a fallen angel or demon was able to materialize a physical form to humanity. Satan himself has to use a man, the antichrist, to carry out his program against mankind. Thus it would stand to reason that if these “sons of God” were the fallen angels then they would have to inhabit existing creatures available on earth.

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  55. In my opinion, it’s quite obvious that B&E has done a vast amount of research into this matter and he does present some compelling arguments for his point of view. Although I wouldn’t say that my view of this subject is “dogmatically” aligned with that of b&e, after browsing through this webpage, I must admit that I am sure “leaning that way”. I mean the pieces of the puzzle do fit pretty nicely together. In the Garden of Eden when Satan took the “form of a serpent”, do you think he was “possessing” the body of a reptilian creature or do you think that he was actually embodying a physical form?

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  56. Welcome, Maggs! Glad you found this site- One thing can be said about this place, and that is that you’ll always find something of interest… And perhaps some lively debate/discussion as well!

    As to your question…

    I am saying that based upon certain familial and historical data, as well as some of my own personal and rather unexplained experiences, it would seem so. The fact that I am all but convinced should not be of concern to anyone else- But I do expect a certain openness from people who are asking about it, as they may expect of me when sharing their accounts and experiences.

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  57. RETS, that’s interesting. I would love to hear it all spelled out sometime. I’m still on the fence as to whether Nephilim could reproduce sexually. Hybrids typically don’t do so well passing on their DNA. Most of the occurences I know of, both male and female are often sterile, and always I think at least one of them is. Plus once you factor in the size and the mechanics, I’m not sure it would work. Although, I’m open to the possibility. I do wonder if they did it in vitro or some other artificial way to combine the genetic materil. The existence of man-animal hybrids would suggest this approach, although these were pretty depraved times and people.

    I heard it suggested that what the fallen ones have attempted is to make their own forms of angels in order to fatten the ranks and have a fighting chance on L-Day. The logic is, if you look at the Bible’s description of cheribs and seraphs, they’re combinations of human and animals. As a side note on this, it makes sense that they would be so, given the order of creation. All heavenly creatures were with God in the beginning. Angels existed with God before the beginning of time. When God filled the great cosmic singularity with matter and energy and expanded it through an unimaginable explosion which stretched out the cosmos, he decided to model life on earth after Him-Themselves and the angels. He modeled the animals after the cheribs and seraphs, and humans after God (a trinity three-in-one). Further, humans have three unified but separate identities with different characteristics and function, just as Elohim (God) does. Spirit (connection to God), Soul (the pilot, emotions, intellect) and the body (bridges the soul and spirit with the dimension of spacetime). Pretty neat.

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  58. Ok, please don’t take offense as my only knowledge of Nephilim was that they were all evil, but doesn’t this mean that you have corrupted human DNA and therefore couldn’t be saved ? Isn’t that why God sent the flood cause all of mankind was no longer 100% human ? Except for Noah and his family. Also my other question (kinda dumb one too) is that how the heck are the women who bore these giants able to do that? Aren’t the babies huge as well? Did the mothers die before birth? I’m so glad I found this site too, the only other site I’ve found that talks about the giants is Steve Quayle.

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  59. Hi Dave. The question you would then have to ask is this: How could Eve be deceived by a creature as Adam her husband would be known to all the animals and as their head so to speak.

    If the Serpent was then an animal………….How could Eve be deceived enough by this TALKING animal to want to sin?

    The other question is: Why did God curse the Serpent to make him eat dust all his life and not curse Satan?

    The other question is this: Why did Adam change the name of the woman only after the sin? Eve means mother of ALL THE LIVING.

    The other question you would then ask is: Why is Adam NOT the Father of all the living?

    And then you would come to the understanding that Cain was from another gene pool……….And NOT of Adam. The generations of Adam start with Seth after Able was killed……………Cain had a different linage!

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  60. The logic is, if you look at the Bible’s description of cheribs and seraphs, they’re combinations of human and animals.end of quote.

    If we look up to heaven then we can see some constellations designed to look like animals……..So is Ezekiel talking about the four living creatures in a literal sense or as he sees them from earth as the cosmic chariot that is telling the story and is praising God everyday?

    Remember the stars and the constellations are singing out the glory of God every day, and are named by God.

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  61. Hi Valerie,

    Once again, I am in strong disagreement with your theories about Cain. Scripture is clear as to Cain’s lineage:

    “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.” (Genesis 4:1).

    Adam had relations with Eve, his wife, and she conceived. Adam is the father of Cain. There is nothing in Scripture at all that ever indicates anything else.

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  62. “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.” (Genesis 4:1).

    Eve would have to have help from the LORD to bring in Cain……………Why? Because if she was then cursed because of the sexual relationship she had with the Serpent…………And NO we are not talking about Satan!!!

    Go further into the Genesis and read the linage of Adam……..He produce Seth in his image…….Nothing about Cain. And able had been killed…….?

    Remember the woman is only cursed after the act of sin…………..If she was without sin at this time, then she would have most likely said………….”I have produce a son through Adam!”

    So many people are NOT understanding that the Lineage of Adam starts with Seth…….The linage of Cain is without Adam………..Please read and understand that you cannot make this up as you go along, the more you start to understand then that is why the Sons of God watched the daughters of MEN!

    How different they both were…………Cain’s lineage were hunters and made cities………Adam’s lineage were herdsmen and lived a simple life in tents. The word of God doesn’t lie, only the people who read it!

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  63. Continued: Adam would have to know his wife even after he sin……….So he could bring in the Son’s of God…………Or the only people left on the earth would have been Cain’s lineage………..These were not son’s of God!

    The Genealogy of Jesus Christ

    23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,[a] the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

    If the sons of God were the Angels who were created in the spirit realm…….And are NOT under the laws of the physical to Marry……….Then how did they have sex with humans?

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  64. Hi Valerie,

    Again, with all due respect, none of this is Biblical. This is the danger of letting speculation that is not in the Bible, turn into doctrine. You have to ignore, alter or reject Genesis 4:1 for your theory to work.

    Where in Scripture does it say Eve had sex with a serpent? Just provide the verses that say this and I will gladly read them.

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  65. Nothing in this passage you cited says Eve had sexual relations with a serpent. Where is any Bible verse that can support your claim?

    As for the angels having intercourse with women – all throughout Scripture it is clear that angels have material bodies. They are not ghosts. They can fight, lift people up, eat food prepared by humans and kill people. So their ability to physically interact with humanity is well established.

    The Lord was quite clear in saying the angels in heaven do not marry. Those angels are godly ones. There is no marriage in the heavenly realm. However, on Earth, there is marriage, and certain angels, in disobedience, married human women.

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  66. Nothing in this passage you cited says Eve had sexual relations with a serpent. Where is any Bible verse that can support your claim? Quote from Begining and End.

    Genesis 3
    King James Version (KJV)
    3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any BEAST OF THE FIELD which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

    2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

    IF YOU READ THE SONG OF SOLOMON THEN YOU WILL KNOW THESE TWO WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING SEXUAL RELATIONS…………..!

    3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

    THE LAW OF GOD FORBIDS A MAN OR WOMAN TO LIE WITH A BEAST AT ANY TIME……….AND IF YOU READ LEVITICUS THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS LAW WHICH IS IN PLACE FROM THE BEGINNING.

    4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

    5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

    6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

    7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

    9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

    10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself..

    ADAM HID HIMSELF FROM GOD, NOT BECAUSE HE WAS NAKED BUT HE WAS UNCOVERED AND HE HAD TO LAY WITH HIS WIFE AFTER SHE HAD LAID WITH THE SERPENT SO HE COULD PRODUCE A SON.

    In Genesis 3:15, God having cursed the Serpent, said to him:

    “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

    Most Christians, in spiritualizing Genesis 3:15, can only see that “her seed” prophetically refers to the “seed of the woman” — Jesus Christ born of the Virgin Mary, and that Christ would crush and defeat Satan who could only bring temporary suffering to Him. They either fail to see or choose to disregard the first part of this dual prophecy. God had put enmity between the Serpent and Eve, and also his seed and her seed — BOTH SEEDS, NATURAL AND PHYSICAL. (“Thy seed” is what stumped many Christians. “Thy seed” is the “seed of the Serpent” — Serpent’s Seed. The Serpent had a seed!) Eve had a natural seed — “her seed” — Abel, and so had the Serpent his natural seed — “thy seed” — Cain. And there was enmity between them concerning their faith in God.

    The genealogy of a person is traced to the side of the man (the father) because the blood line (or descent) comes through the male cell. But why does not the Bible tell us that Adam was the father of all living instead of stating that Eve was “the mother of all living”? (Gen.3:20). Does not this show that Cain was not a child of Adam but of Eve and the Serpent? And consider why Adam so named the first son of Eve Cain. Cain means acquisition, because he was not Adam’s begotten son; he was merely an acquired son. Also, Genesis 4:1 states only one act of union between Adam and Eve, but two children were born. Yet, it does not record the two as twins. Whenever twins of the same father were born they are specifically stated in the Scriptures. Read Genesis 25:24; 38:27.

    Note: All life, big or small, good or evil, comes from God (Isa.45:7). Thus, Eve was able to say that she had “gotten a man from the Lord” (Gen.4:1).THIS IS QUOTED FROM THE ORIGINAL SIN.

    Isaiah 29:14
    14 Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvelously with this people, wondrously marvelous;
    And b the wisdom of their wise men will perish,
    And the discernment of their discerning men will be concealed.”

    The Scriptures could not be any clearer in describing what the Serpent originally was. Yet, the Truth is actually hidden from the wise and the prudent man (Isa.29:14 cf. 1Cor.1:19; Luk.10:21). Observe that the Serpent was the highest and most intelligent of all beasts. He was also more subtle. He was not loathsome. Of all creatures of the field the Serpent was the only beast that could talk and communicate with Adam and Eve (Gen.3:1). Undoubtedly, He was an upright creature, very much like man but was not created in the image and likeness of God to be a son of God as Adam was (Gen.1:26). He was under the control of Adam, a son of God, to do as Adam commanded him. He was Adam’s servant. Quoted from the original sin.

    Also think about why God cursed the Serpent and NOT Satan!

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  67. Cain means acquisition, because he was not Adam’s begotten son; he was merely an acquired son. Also, Genesis 4:1 states only one act of union between Adam and Eve, but two children were born. Yet, it does not record the two as twins. Whenever twins of the same father were born they are specifically stated in the Scriptures. Read Genesis 25:24; 38:27.

    We must therefor be very careful as to how we read the word of God………..His truth is not for the faint hearted who don’t look to him for answers
    . The Tree is in the midst of the garden…………The reproduction organs are the tree.

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  68. Valerie: IF YOU READ THE SONG OF SOLOMON THEN YOU WILL KNOW THESE TWO WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING SEXUAL RELATIONS…………..!

    Uh, no.

    Valerie, there is absolutely, positively no way any serious theologian, Bible scholar, or doctrinal teacher- Let alone even a nominal student of Biblical languages- Would put this forward as a genuine theory.

    Song of Songs, also known as the Song of Solomon or Solomon’s Song, is a book entirely of prose. Genesis is a book of historical writing, uttered directly from the mouth of God to Moses. Not once in this passage do we have the indicators of transition from literal to figurative that exist in every major example of such a transitive monologue.

    You have your facts wrong, dear lady, and I do hope you wise up to the troglodytical and sedimentary malarky you’ve wholeheartedly gobbling up. Moreover, I am praying that you’ve not managed to convince anyone else of this lunacy.

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  69. , on Earth, there is marriage, and certain angels, in disobedience, married human women.
    Quoted from Beginning and End.

    Please show me the scriptures that bring you to this conclusion!

    And why would the Angels want to marry human daughters? Why didn’t they just take them and produce offspring……………Why was there a need for them to MARRY, because the marriage is only for Adam’s offspring who were the Sons and daughters of God……

    If the Angels were disobedient……Then why would they uphold and then be UNDER the laws of marriage???!!!

    You don’t make any sense!

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  70. This is a link to the Orininal Sin page…………..I hope you enjoy reading this and come to a better understanding of the truth………..http://www.propheticrevelation.net/original_sin/the_serpent_seed_1.htm

    I will no longer post on your site but thank you for this time. Shalom

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  71. Ah. So THERE it is, the link to where all this half-baked stuff is coming from. You could’ve just given that link right off the bat and saved a lot of confusion. You claimed to have garnered your insights from careful study of scripture, yet clearly it was all the result of this one web site…

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  72. Thank you Valerie. You have truly motivated me to write an article on this “Serpent Seed theory.” I hope you will come back to read it.

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  73. Wow. A non-Trinitarian, Branham believing, Serpent-Seed promoting, Scripture twisting, definition juggling writer from Singapore… And THIS qualifies as good scholarship?!

    If so, the Church is lost.

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  74. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

    I hope that adequately summarizes my appreciation for your announcement! lol

    In all seriousness, this is really needed, because I have been running into this theory more and more often lately. The devil truly is at work!

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  75. And if you really need to write anything………..Then please write something that makes sense!

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  76. Indeed. I was wondering which of these websites it was, as a lot of what she said I’ve already come across in preparation for my thesis on demonic doctrine and unbiblical theology.

    I share your sentiments, Q.

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  77. I again welcome you to read the article and comment when it comes out.

    Additionally please refrain from personal attacks/battles. Thanks.

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  78. Hello, was Part 2 of the Nephillim story every published and if so where? Part one was excellent !
    Have you hever heard Kat Kerr talk about the Nephillum that were created Angelic beings ( who became corrupt because they left their divine appointments) with Flesh on them, created to teach and instruct and teach mankind after they were kicked out of the garden?

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  79. Hi Leslie,

    Part 2 has not been published yet. We are working on finishing the entire series and then publishing it. Please stay tuned. God bless. -B&E

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