Russell Crowe’s ‘Noah’ Film – A Warning For Christians

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The Noah movie does not tell the Biblical account of Noah and the Ark.

Updated April 27, 2014

2014 will see a large number of Christian-themed movies hit the big screen and one of the most anticipated of them is Noah, directed by Darren Aronofsky and starring Oscar-winner Russell Crowe. While there will be much hype and excitement for this movie, the early reports indicate that the Noah film will not be in line with the Biblical account of Noah’s ark and the flood, but instead will push a liberal, political message focused on the environmental agenda. Christians and those interested in a Biblical story thus need to be warned to use discernment and not support Hollywood as it exploits the Bible for gain and promotes a film that casts the God of the Bible in a bad light.

 

The Trailer

Here is the trailer for the film:

 

 

Noah as The “First Environmentalist”?

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God commanded Noah to bring two snakes on the ark. Not several hundred.

“Be warned, though: Aronofsky’s Noah might be a bit different from the bearded boat-builder most remember from the Bible. Aronofsky told us back then that he sees Noah as the “first environmentalist,” a man tormented by survivor’s guilt after living through the flood.” (source)

The story of the Flood, as told in Genesis chapter 6-8 deals with humanity’s rebellion against God becoming so great that it threatened any chance of salvation and incurred God’s wrath.

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. – Genesis 6:1-6.

In the pre-flood world, a group of rebellious angels or “sons of God” as they are terms in the Bible, interacted with humanity openly on Earth. In doing this, they sinned against God by taking human women as wives and having children with them. These half-angel, half-human hybrid offspring, known as the Nephilim, were giant, super powerful beings who then overran the Earth (these beings have been described in other ancient historical accounts as “demi-gods”, titans and other names, hence them being called “men of renown.:). Soon humanity found itself far from the knowledge of God and steeped in violence, immorality, occultism and sinful rebellion against The Lord. This was the true Biblical backdrop for the world Noah and his family lived in before the flood.

Despite being surrounded by a sinful, lustful society, Noah was still a faithful believer in The Lord. The book of Hebrews called Noah a “preacher of righteousness.” As a result of the Nephilim hybridization taking place, the potential existed for the entire human gene pool to be corrupted by fallen angels. God already judged the first two humans, Adam and Eve for their sin, by banishing them from the Garden of Eden. This initial rebellion brought sin and death into the world. But even back at that time, The Lord, in His mercy, promised Adam and Eve that one day a child would be born who would redeem them and destroy Satan.

And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:   And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. – Genesis 3:14-15.

It was this prophecy that put the Devil on notice that his judgment would come at the hands of a human savior. Eliminating the Messiah became the first order of business in Satan’s war against God. And the illicit relations between fallen angels and human women were a means to prevent a fully human savior from being born. God’s response to this was unexpected – a global flood that would destroy every creature on Earth except for Noah, his family and the animals on the ark. Rather than just acting in pure anger and rage, The Lord used the flood to preserve the human gene pool, punish those sinful angels, eliminate the Nephilim and preserve the chance for the Messiah to be born and for humanity to escape eternal damnation. Thus in the flood account, there is sinful rebellion, an ongoing battle between good and evil, the rewards of the faithful and God’s mercy towards those who believe in Him. None of this has anything to do with environmental movement whatsoever.

An Early Script Review

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Darren Aronofsky’s Graphic Novel on Noah gives insight into the movie plot.

“It’s about environmental apocalypse which is the biggest theme, for me, right now for what’s going on on this planet. So I think it’s got these big, big themes that connect with us. Noah was the first environmentalist.” – Darren Aronofsky (source).

Hollywood writer and director Brian Godawa wrote a review of an undated script of the Noah film and was disturbed by its story:

“Having got a chance to read an undated version of the script for Noah I want to warn you. If you were expecting a Biblically faithful retelling of the story of the greatest mariner in history and a tale of redemption and obedience to God you’ll be sorely disappointed. Noah paints the primeval world of Genesis 6 as scorched arid desert, dry cracked earth, and a gray gloomy sky that gives no rain – and all this, caused by man’s “disrespect” for the environment. In short, an anachronistic doomsday scenario of ancient global warming.” (source)

Godawa’s review of the script also falls in line with the Noah graphic novel that Aronofsky co-authored in 2011 in advance of the movie. Below is the synopsis of the novel:

‘It was a world without hope, a world with no rain and no crops, dominated by warlords and their barbarian hordes. In this cruel world, Noah was a good man. Seasoned fighter, mage and healer but he only wanted peace for him and his family. Yet every night, Noah was beset by visions of an endless flood, symbolizing the destruction of all life. Gradually, he began to understand the message sent him by the Creator. He had decided to punish the men and kill them until the last. But he gave Noah a last chance to preserve life on Earth… ‘(source)

Rather than follow the Biblical account, Aronofsky is taking the story in his own direction to suit his own environmentalist agenda. There are many glaring differences between the Biblical narrative and Aronfosky’s version. Even Cain and Abel, the first sons of Adam and Eve,  make an appearance and apparently befriend Noah as a child. The danger in this is that it distorts the Biblical message and only leads to further confusion about God and His plan of salvation for humanity. In the movie, God is portrayed as an angry Creator who wants to punish humanity permanently for not taking good enough care of plants and animals. Humans have compassion, while God in the film only has irrational wrath. This type of gnostic interpretation of Scripture that turns the Biblical account upside down to cast the God of the Bible in a bad light, has been done in many Hollywood films (we featured an article on the movie Legion that used this same tactic with a plot centered on the book of Revelation).

Isaiah 5:20 says: “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” Rather than change the Bible, it should be respected so the real message of God’s forgiveness, grace and mercy can be conveyed.

 

Noah As A Hippie

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Aronofsky, citing Genesis 6:14, has stated that Noah is his dream film.

“Noah is a kind of rural shaman, and vegan hippy-like gatherer of herbs. Noah explains that his family “studies the world,” “healing it as best we can,” like a kind of environmentalist scientist.” (source).

In the Bible, Noah is no Shaman or mage, but a believer and follower of the true and living God of the Bible, Yahweh. When The Lord decided that He was going to judge the world for its rampant sin and punish those angels who sinned, He told Noah:

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. – Genesis 6:13-14.

God then proceeded to give Noah specific instructions and dimensions for the construction of the ark. What is telling about the heart of Noah was his response to God’s very detailed instructions:

Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he. – Genesis 6:22.

Rather than seeking the spirit realm, or his “inner knowledge”, Noah heard the Word of God and believed it. This is the sign of faith. So Noah’s spiritual state was clear, he believed the Lord. This is confirmed by the Lord in chapter 7:

And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him. – Genesis 7:1-5.

 

God saw Noah’s faith and declared him “righteous before me in this generation.” And with a week before the flood, God gave Noah his final instructions and informed him that it would rain for forty days and nights. This is very significant – up to this point in world history it had never rained. Prior to the flood, the moisture in the environment came from geysers in the ground:

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. – Genesis 2:5-6.

A mist from underground pressure provided water for plant life. The pre-flood word in short had a hyperbaric environment. (B&E: Some Christian researchers have theorized that this environment contributed to the long life spans of the people before the flood, where some people lived over 900 years. However, after the flood, there is a sharp decrease in life spans down to the lengths seen today. For an excellent study on this, see geologist Gaines Johnson’s article which can be found here).

 

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The film very accurately depicts the geysers that provided moisture to the pre-flood world.

To hear the judgment would be in the form of a massive rainfalls all over the whole earth would be something no one in the world could fathom. Yet Noah, once again believes God and obeys. The Book of Hebrews explains the importance of faith and cites Noah as an example:

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. — Hebrews 11:6-7.

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The skin of Satan is used as a special relic by Noah in the film.

 

Rather than seeking God, Aronofsky is using the Bible to push an environmental agenda. This film reflects a lack of faith and promotes the idea of doubting God, rather than believing. In the film the word “God” is not even stated. Rather than hear from and speak with God, in Aronofsky’s Noah does an occult ritual with his grandfather to learn of the flood. In the movie’s blasphemous take, the skin of Satan, as the serpent in the Garden of Eden, was left behind and taken by Adam as a special magical item. And it was passed on to every descendent of Adam’s righteous son Seth and all Godly men afterwards. In the film, Noah takes the skin of a serpent and wraps it around his arm. His grandfather then gives him a special mystical tea that allows him to have the vision of the coming flood. This of course is wildly unbiblical and promotes the idea that Noah relied on the occult to learn of the coming judgment rather than the Word of God. This is a satanic and Gnostic twisting of the Bible.

The Nephilim As Heroes?

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Adding to the Biblical confusion, King Og of Bashan, an evil Nephilim King in Scripture, is portrayed as good being in Noah. In Scripture, Og lives after the flood and is one of the most powerful Kings of his day. He hated the ancient Israelites and sought to conquer them as they migrated to the land of Canaan, the Promised Land, after being led out of slavery in Egypt. The battle against Og, led by Moses, took place over 1500 years after the flood.

In Noah, Og is one of the fallen angels or Watchers, who now, despite rebellion against God, decide to help Noah build the ark and protect it. In a scene in which a small army of men try to take siege of the ark, it is the fallen angels who fight to make sure that Noah and his family can enter safely. This same type of recasting villains of the Bible as being noble, protagonists was also done in the movie The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones, a movie which portrayed the Nephilim rebels as the heroes and saviors of humanity, while ignoring God’s presence altogether.  which we did a detailed analysis of in our article The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones – Satanic Nephilim Deception.
Wildly Unbiblical “Facts” About Noah’s Life

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‘Noah’ director Darren Aronofsky, wearing hat, does not believe that the account of Noah and the Ark is a “religious story.”

 

I don’t think it’s a very religious story,” Aronofsky told us at the 2011 Provincetown International Film Festival, where he was receiving career-spanning honors. “I think it’s a great fable that’s part of so many different religions and spiritual practices. I just think it’s a great story that’s never been on film.” (source).

 

Here are some of the changes to the Biblical text that Aronofsky’s script makes:

  • “Noah maintains an animal hospital to take care of wounded animals or those who survive the evil “poachers,” of the land. … Be that as it may, Noah is the Mother Teresa of animals.”

Nowhere are we told in Scripture that Noah ran an animal hospital.

  • “Though God has not spoken to men or angels for a long time, Noah is haunted by recurring dreams of a rainstorm and flood that he surmises is God’s judgment on man because as Noah says, “At our hand, all he created is dying.” The trees, the animals, and the environment. “If we change, if we work to save it, perhaps he will too [save us].”

In Genesis Chapter 6, it is clear that God is indeed speaking to humanity. The Lord addresses Noah directly and gives specific details about the coming judgment and how to prepare the ark to survive it. Nowhere does Noah have any dreams. Additionally, it is the sinfulness of humanity along with the Nephilim invasion of the Earth that brought God’s judgment, not mistreatment of the environment. And nowhere is it said if humanity helps the tress and animals, God would reverse the impending flood.
According to the Bible, humans are not animals. We are made in the image of God Himself. After creating the first man, The Lord gave Adam dominion over all animals and nature. Jesus Christ confirmed humanity’s superiority to animal’s in God’s eyes to demonstrate God’s love for all people:

Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. – Matthew 10:29-32.

God is aware of everything that happens in the lives of animals. But He is much more interested in human beings, His special creation. Jesus illustrates this in beautiful fashion, nothing that God knows the numbers of hairs on the head of every person ever born. And this theme seems removed far from the Noah movie: that God loves us and worked out a plan to reconcile us to Him through Jesus Christ.

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In the film, the angels are portrayed as 6-armed giants. Again, where is this in the Bible?

  • Noah seeks advice from his grandfather, Methuselah, the oldest man alive, who lives in a cave. Unfortunately for fighting pacifist Noah, he has to go through the Watcher’s Land to get there. The Watchers are angels who came down from heaven to help fallen humanity by granting them wonders of knowledge from magic to science to stars, metal, and fire. But when mankind turned that knowledge into weapons of war and tools of environmental devastation, God banished the Watchers to earth and turned his back on them. Now, they reside as 18-feet tall, six-armed grumpy angelic complainers who resent mankind.

None of this is ever in the Bible. Noah has no interaction with angels or watchers (angelic beings who are mentioned in the book of Daniel). And while Methuselah is indeed his grandfather, Noah does not seek him out for “advice.” God gave Noah a clear plan of action for salvation for he and his family and Noah faithfully followed it. And while there was indeed open interaction between angelic beings and humans in the pre-flood world, we are not given these details in Noah’s story, nor is there any description of angels matching the script draft. (B&E: in our article on the movie Prometheus, we explore the idea in Scripture of angels possibly sharing knowledge with humanity, specifically the lineage of Cain. For more information see here).

 

  • Noah convinces the Watchers to help him and he receives a magic seed from Methuselah that blooms a magical forest in the desert. It’s really a quite imaginative and powerful scene that shows God’s miraculous provision. Noah uses this timber to build his boat (Wait a second. Wouldn’t that make him an evil clear cutting lumberjack?). So the Watchers help him build the craft

Once again, these ideas are not from Scripture. Nowhere in Genesis is there ever any hint of a tree shortage or environmental crisis. And the Watchers, who are not even mentioned in the book of Genesis, do not built the ark for Noah.

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Methuselah (played by Sir Anthony Hopkins), Noah’s father, has unexplained mystical powers.

Lamech, Noah’s father, also serves as  a type of Shaman in the film. In addition to providing one of the magical seeds that can produce an entire forest in seconds, he also heals Emma Watson’s character (she plays the wife of Noah’s son Shem). Early in the film it is revealed that she cannot bear children. Lamech secretly uses his mystical powers to heal her so she can bear children.

Noah is also not portrayed as a good person. Even though the Bible is clear that he preached faith in God and tried to persuade the world around him to repent of their sins and believe in God for decades before the flood, this film portrays him as wicked hatchet-man for God. Here is Russell Crowe explaining Noah’s character:

 

Noah As Homicidal Maniac?

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In the film, Noah considers killing his own family.

 

Meanwhile, Noah has himself become a bit psychotic, like an environmentalist or animal rights activist who concludes that people do not deserve to survive because of what they’ve done to the environment and to animals. Noah deduces that God’s only reason for his family on the boat is to shepherd the animals to safety, “and then mankind disappears. It would be a better world.” He concludes that there will be no more births in this family so that when they start over in the new world, they will eventually die out, leaving the animals in a human-less paradise of eco-harmony and peace. As Noah says, “The creatures of the earth, the world itself, shall be safe.” His ethical reasoning? The same as all environmentalist activists: The ends justify the means. “We must weigh those [human] lives against all creation.”

There’s only one problem. One of the women on the ark is pregnant, and Noah decides that if it is a boy, it can live, but if it is a girl, he must kill it. We can’t have more of those nasty little virus-like humans swarming the earth. So most of the last half of the script is a family killer thriller like Sleeping With the Enemy, that asks the dark dramatic movie question “will Noah kill the child if it is a girl or not?” Ancient sex-selection infanticide.
The woman gives birth to twin girls, and Noah gets all the way up to killing not one but two female infants, after killing evil meat-eating Akkad. But in the end, he fails. He says “to himself, to the Creator,” “I can’t. I can’t do it. I am sorry. I am so sorry.” He is just too compassionate to carry out God’s cruel plan. Noah is more loving than God. (source).

This is the most disturbing part of this script. The idea that Noah would want to kill his own family, is not only never stated in Scripture, it is just blasphemous to the Biblical account. In warning humanity about changing parts of the Bible, Jesus said:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. – Revelation 22:18-19.

This stern warning, in the last chapter of the Bible, underscores how seriously, the correct handling of the Bible is to The Lord. Unfortunately, we live in an age where Jesus Christ, the Bible and the Christian faith can be openly mocked, disrespected and twisted to suit the needs and purposes of the world. What would the reaction be in the Muslim world to a movie that cast Muhammad in a negative light? Well there is no reason to imagine since the trailer of a low-budget film on YouTube caused massive protests, public destruction of property and according to certain officials in the office of President Obama, was part of the reason four Americans were murdered in Libya. Yet when it comes to Christianity, a big-budget major motion picture can be made that completely twists and distorts the Biblical account and portrays the God of the Bible as a cruel, homicidal God who is more concerned with preserving plants and animals over human beings.
By now Lord willing, it’s clear that Noah is not a Christian film. Yet when this movie hits the theaters, it will not stop the film company behind from marketing the movie to churches and the Christian community in hopes of conveying the idea that it is a movie celebrating a Biblical story when it is not. Do not be deceived.
Jesus Christ described the days before His Second Coming with a reference to Noah: But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:37). Jesus pointed to the times Noah lived in before the flood as a type and shadow of the last days. And certainly the rampant sin, idolatry and disrespect for God and His Word is on full display in society. A judgment from God is coming on this sinful world. But just like the ark, God has prepared an escape for those who will put their faith and trust in Him: Jesus Christ.
The ark itself was a foreshadow of the protection from eternal judgment that comes from believing in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who died to take the punishment for the sins of the world. Pray for the makers of this movie to repent and believe the Word of God, rather than abusing it. And spread the Word to other Christians to not support such a blasphemous, anti-Christian film. The good news is that for all this disrespect, Darren Aronofsky can still be forgiven of his sins. There is still time for society to get into the ‘ark’ that saves us from hell. It just takes hearing the true Word of God, not a Hollywood distortion.

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  1. Kenneth Acushla says:

    The Words Jesus Christ is the most hated Name on Planet Earth. Which is why people will not believe what HE has said. Our LORD is not a liar. HE says what HE means and means what HE has said. His prophecy re The Days of Noah is being fulfilled in this century with Record Breaking Flooding Rainfalls. Here in QLD Australia we are experiencing it for the second time, since the first one in 2011. HE gave the Rainbow sign as the Promise of never the people all dying from the floods. But the word Rainbow is being used in a different way. The Days of LOT will be next with many in Churchianity not wanting to believe it. It is so sad that so many people in the denominations are in the Laodician church.

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    • Yeah, Jesus Christ is the most hated name on planet Earth. That’s why no less than five of the 20 or so TV channels I get have exclusively Christian content. So they can say how much everybody hates Jesus. That’s why Atheists are the most trusted people in North America. Because everybody hates Jesus. Try again.

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      • I love Jesus,and he is my LORD.

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      • No, Don, you get those channels because cable/satellite companies get them for FREE!!!! Then, those greedy cable/satellite companies charge you money for something they get for FREE! You can access those channels freely on the internet from their websites! Wouldn’t it be great if all the other cable channels put their stations on the internet to freely watch?!?…all that excessively-high, fixed-priced subscriptions would be gone!!!

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        • I don’t get cable. These are broadcast stations. and I only mentioned ones that show exclusively Christian content. not the ones that are commandeered for several hours a day. They’re all free, and they’re all garbage.

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        • I don’t get cable. These are broadcast stations. and I only mentioned ones that show exclusively Christian content. not the ones that are commandeered for several hours a day. They’re all free, and they’re all garbage.

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      • The vast majority of television preachers are false converts or downright hypocrites. The are wolves in sheeps clothing. THIS is why the Bible says to study God’s Word so you will know the false from the Truth. And everyone except His sheep does hate the real Jesus. Oh plenty love the jesus they have made up into an idol in their own mind, just as they love their sin. I know…I was that way for over half a century. But ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free. Jesus is the Way , the Truth and the Life .

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      • Stereotypical illogic, Mr. Don.

        What are you fearing?

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      • Trying to figure out where one might live where there are only 20 channels, and where 5 of them contain exclusively Christian content. Even if it were so that there were 5 “religious” channels, it’s highly doubtful that the content would be really Christian at all — more like the Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn hokey nonsense. But really, perhaps you can enlighten me as to where on this planet you live, where you only get 20 channels, and where 5 of them are “Christian”. Thanks.

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        • Rushtallica says:

          Cheaper packages from satellite and maybe some cable companies sell “family” packs that contain mainly just local, religious, and shopping channels.

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        • what is christian, Christian is Christ-like, Christ-like giving grace and truth to those who need it. like not casting stones at others just because their sin is visible to every one while your is not. And not applying on them the law which empowers sin,

          The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1cor15:56-57, colo2:13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

          Christians today don’t really know or understand the bible why there are two testaments or what changed from the old what they are following. so they end up attacking one another for different view like Soul who became Paul.

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          • Followers of Christ were first called as Christians in Antioch. A follower is one who believes in Him & anyone who believes in Him is one who obeys His words even to his Two commandments, condensing the Law & The Prophets in its spirit & truth as intended by God in the first place , contrast it to the disobedience at eden where the Commandment was twisted called “Leavening” to the fall of man, such that the Law became twisted to death unto its words “The wages of sin is death” or called the law of death even unto the words of Jesus “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees & the Saducees’ which leaven is to “add & subtract ” respectively to the Law of God, It is but to understand that in order to nullify the law of death , sin its cause is to be removed , come by the Christ, called salvation. Where the bible says law is cursed, is to the law of death come through the leavenings today specifically signified through “Sodom” through & by the errors of England & its daughter America. This is Typical of cursed law, become to death . It so happens that some of its Preachers through “Gnostic” (mis)interpretations have taken away the Law even unto the First Commandments of God unto Moses, to the first Commandment of Jesus.
            If the OT was to the Physical, the NT is to the Spiritual, for the Spirit is the basis of life which is but to say that the revelation of the OT, is the new testament , like the Prophecy of “Looking up the brazen serpent in the wilderness” to the salvation is fulfilled spiritually in the words & works of Jesus to equate with Him “Pick up your crosses & follow me Daily” is but to understand the brazen serpent on the pole represents ones flesh to its desires down from eden. Preachers (like Joyce Mayer) might Quote his words but do not preach this integral but inconvenient truth, eventually end up preaching just the Contrary , against the spirit & truth of it, ’cause they have not understood or omitted its meaning in the OT, is but to know the importance of the OT even to the Law & the Prophets condensed by Jesus to the Two Commandments has become interpreted to taking away the Law of God, for the very first law given in Eden was based on his love for man, so that man by his generations may not go through all the pain & sufferings & death seen until this day, even then He send his Christ, and Lo they begin to say OT is no more valid, is but to Gnosticism “Separating the Father from the Son” to another Christ another Gospel – Prophesied.

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            • So are you saying we must obey the law as well, as it is written in the OT? I always thought that grace was where the law led and that since Jesus was the ultimate and final sacrifice that we now live under grace and not the law. I’m confused by this. Please explain.

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              • Grace, which is the Mercy of God is accessed by Faith & in the faith is its works, which works are to be in the Spirit & truth of it, meaning unconditional . For Faith without works is dead. To a simple understanding – When Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son Issac, this call to Sacrifice can be termed as the Law, which he obeyed. Now his obedience came out of His Belief (Trust) in God called Faith to his work of offering his son, no ordinary work.. But God out of His Love by Mercy withheld his hand to the sacrifice & in order to fulfill His words unto Himself offered His only Begotten son Jesus as the substitute for Issac, come as the salvation unto the whole of mankind, as children of Abraham by Faith, into the many that are led by the Spirit to become the children of God. This deed of God has come entirely from Him out of His Mercy, which Mercy is called The Grace by Christ Jesus , & when we become in Him we live under the Grace . Now when we say we live IN Him is to do that which He has commanded , why then would He say “Pick up your crosses & follow me Daily” other than to Equate with Him. For believing in Him is believing in the Spirit & in the spirit are its works. As far as the law, to the commandments, nothing of it is taken away, even unto the Prophecy in the OT “And in those days “I will put my laws & in their minds & write it upon their Hearts(cannot be leavened) & I will be their God & they shall be my people”, which laws condensed in the truth is to the Two Commandments spoken by Christ 1) Love thy God 2) Love thy Brethren , for in it are contained all of the Law & Prophets.
                To Revelations regarding the Elect of God/ Sons of God (Rom 8;19) are, They who care not for their own lives (crucification of the flesh against worldly desires) , keeping the Commandments of God ( to the two commandments) & have the testimony of Jesus, for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy. Now do the modern preachers preach off the manner, other than confusing the word Grace, twisting & taking it for granted to make it “On Demand” instead of “By His Mercy”.

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                • Thanks for explaining, I do understand better and to answer your question, very few preachers preach it right. It is getting harder and harder to find a church with a pastor that preaches the truth mostly b/c most Christians don’t want the real truth cause they can’t handle the truth. Wonder what they will think when they meet God face to face?

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                  • To the word Mercy – The Arc of the Covenant wherein are two Cherubs facing one another focusing on the “Mercy Seat” upon which the Glory of God rested signifies His Mercy, come in its works as Christ Jesus.
                    It is becoming increasingly evident that the hope today ,seems no longer to rest in the Church that moves in the flesh but the Church that moves in the Spirit , that which the gates of hell cannot prevail against according to the Prophecy , for the Bible says “His words are Spirit”.
                    As far as facing God it can be any time for it is said ‘He comes as a thief in the night”

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              • Yes, you must obey the law as it is written in the OT. That is why, if you come across an adulterer, you must stone that person to death. It can be organised most conveniently for a Sunday afternoon, right after church.

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                • No we don’t obey the OT laws, we live under grace not the law. Jesus came to fulfill the law and bring in the new covenant and move us from the law to grace. Though I think stoning those caught in adultery would cut down on it a bit. Seriously Christianity just continues to the next stage of Judaism. So we obey the laws that Jesus gave us to love the Lord thy God with all they heart, soul, and spirit and to love your neighbors as yourself. We must love everyone even the adulterers and other sinners and this includes any enemies we may have. We couldn’t live under the law cause we could never keep it. The Pharisees keep adding to the law and so even the Israeli’s couldn’t keep all the laws. that’s why we are so blessed to live under the grace of Jesus Christ.

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      • realistically, i dont see a reason to hate Jesus. honestly. when you read about the things that he did while he lived on earth, what reason is there to hate Jesus?
        none
        now, hate his so-called “followers”?
        that i can totally understand.

        i believe that Gandhi said it best when he said, “I like your Christ, i do not like your Christians.”

        I call myself a Christ-follower; a christian, and there are Christians out there who embarrass me, and do NOT live their lives like God calls us to.

        So if you dont believe Jesus to have really lived (which he did, there IS evidence of that) but if you really dont believe him to be who He claims to be, the son of God, then why does this even matter?

        people hate “Jesus” because it is associated with some “Christians” and how they live their lives. So so many “Christians” are not trying to make God known for who He really is, for His true character. It would be short-sited to reject Christ for for the actions of human beings. we are NOT perfect.

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        • Hi MacKenzie,

          Thanks for your comments. I wanted to challenge your statement regarding hating Christians. You quote Gandhi. Did you know that Gandhi was a brazen racist who not only supported apartheid in South Africa in his published writings but also referred to black Africans as “keffirs”, which is the N-word in South Africa? Do you hate Gandhi?

          In the past year hundreds of Christians have been killed at the hands of Muslim attackers who specifically attacked them in the name of Islam. If you go back 10 years you have thousands of people killed in religious-based attacks by members of the religion of Islam. Do you now hate Muslims?

          So what is it that Christians are doing that in your mind justifies people hating them?

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          • I did not know those things about Gandhi. Very interesting! thank you(:

            To answer your next question, I truly believe that I do not hate anyone. So, no, I do not hate Muslims. What they are doing makes me very sad :( and that is something I would say I hate. I don’t hate people, because that doesn’t do anyone any good, plus that is not what Jesus teaches us.

            Now, I am about to contradict myself from what I said in my first comment, and I do apologize for that.
            Jesus says in John 15 that if the world hates us (Christians) it is because the world hated Him first. And again in 1 John 3:13 Jesus told his disciples not to be surprised if the world hates them.

            Anyway

            As to why people hate Christians, I suppose you would have to ask the individual why they personally hate Christians
            The English language sadly falls short when it comes to the strength of certain words. “Hate”, like the word “love”, is used every day, in so many ways. For example, I love my family(: but I also love food. Same words, different meanings; different strengths, if you will.
            The same goes for the word “hate”.
            In the Greek and Hebrew languages, there are different words for things like “love” and “hate” depending on what “kind” of love or hate is being referenced.

            Here is a relevant and popular example as to why many people say they hate Christians today:
            Some, not all, Christians are hypocritical. They go around preaching “DON’T JUDGE!”. Then they go out and march the streets claiming that “God HATES homosexuals!”
            …Seriously?
            How stupid and backwards is that? Where in the Bible, in God’s Word, does it say that He hates homosexuals? It doesn’t.
            God’s Word teaches us to LOVE (there’s that word again!) other people. Jesus’ 2nd most important teaching was to “love your neighbor as yourself”.

            I hope I have answered your questions(:

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            • Hi MacKenzie,

              You said that you “totally understand” why people hate Christians and then quoted the racist Gandhi to say you don’t like followers of Christ. And your support of this is Westboro Baptist Church, which is not even a church but a family that is clearly a fringe hate group? Can you name ANY pastor or church in America that is doing anything like the 20 member Westboro Baptist?

              I again ask, do you think it’s “totally understandable” to hate Muslims who are actually murdering, torturing and blowing people up in the name of their faith? Will you apply Gandhi’s quote to them?

              And again I ask- is it “totally understandable” to hate Gandhi since he was a racist?

              I ask this because I am dismayed by the trend in the church today to constantly view other Christians as being so horrible or hypocrites. Where is the proof of this? All over America, every week, tens of thousands of churches are sharing Gospel tracts, delivering food to the poor, raising money for the impoverished, sending medical aid and staff overseas and praying for strangers in the street. My church has done all these things in the past month and we don’t have a big operating budget by any stretch. And we are not unique. Lots of other churches are doing MUCH more than mine. And I can very easily prove this if you require evidence.

              So I think your view of Christians is just incorrect. Are all Christians the nicest people in the world? Of course not. But to make the blanket judgments you are making while ignoring things like the murders and terrorism being openly carried out by other religions seems a bit biased. We are all sinners saved by grace, no doubt. But despite, some Christians are actually nice people. God bless.

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      • TheKnowerseeker says:

        So says one of the people bringing persecution against the Bible-preaching Christians in America, using the gay agenda as a stick to beat us with (on top of the cult of evolution). The only “Christians” that will be tolerated will be those who compromise the Bible for society.

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      • Among secular society (the vast majority of people) as a whole Jesus Christ is the most hated name.

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        • That’s not even remotely true. Not in any way. It’s a demonstrably false sentiment aimed at appearing persecuted. It’s like a teenage girl saying, “my life is over!” It’s melodramatic and silly.
          His name is not the most hated. That’s nonsensical hyperbole. It’s true that because Christianity is a dominant religion in the west that it is okay to bash Christianity without fear of reprisal. But even secularists are often admirers of Jesus though they take issue with organized religion or the greater Christian population. Even militant Muslims don’t hate the name of Jesus, they believe him a prophet. What they hate is the Western cultural dominance and spread.

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      • Among secular society (the vast majority of people) as a whole Jesus Christ is the most hated name.

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    • Actually His Hebrew name is hated even more and especially by mainstream christians. Yahusha! Most will accept the Greek/Spanish/English twist on the interpretation although losing its meaning in it, but out right war against His inspired name given and spoken to Him by His earthly parents Yahusha. Yahusha not only is His actual name but it retains the meaning of His name which is very important. He was a Hebrew not a Spaniard/Grecian. So Jesus is a name many have made into their own beliefs, attached to their own doctrines and is widely accepted because that is all they know but Yahusha is the name above all names that man is to be saved and is the most hated name (along with His father’s name) ever.

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      • Hi Pooh,

        Thanks for your comment. I would just like to make a few responses as it seems you may be a part of the “Sacred Name” or “Hebrew roots” theology.

        1. Jesus spoken language – Jesus and the Apostles spoke and read Greek. The reason why we know this is because over 90% of the time that Jesus quotes the Old Testament, He is quoting the Septuagint, verbatim. The Septuagint is the Greek translation of the Old testament that was commonly used in the time of Christ’s ministry on Earth.

        2. The name “Yashua” – If you are really going to use Jesus’ “real” name, then you would spell it as Ysh. The Hebrew of Jesus’ day, Paleo-Hebrew, had no vowels. So His “given name” would never be spelled the way you write it. Modern, squared Hebrew, was made centuries after the time of Our Lord on Earth and was done in response to the popularity of the Septuagint among Christians (the Septuagint, is a translation from Paleo-Hebrew and thus our closest link to the original languages of the Old Testament today).

        3. Jesus gave HIMSELF a Greek name – “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord” – Revelation 1:8. If referring to Jesus in only a Hebrew name was so important and critical, why would Jesus refer to Himself with a Greek name?? He would not. And He refers to Himself by a Greek title more than once in Revelation.

        I would issue a strong word of caution regarding the “Sacred Name”/Hebrew roots movement. A lot of the main proponents of it carry ideas that are not in the Bible. Please know that I say this all in Christian love and a desire for iron to sharpen iron. Your thoughts are most welcome here. God bless.

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        • I’ve never heard of either movements but I call Him Yeshua / Yashua b/c as a child I was tormented by spirits I grew very close to Ruach as a result, I would ask Yhwh questions and He would answer me in dreams, I asked Him one day to tell me what He wants me to call Him, in the dream He gave me that night He came to visit me and said my name is Yeshua/Yashua I don’t know how He wants it spelled :) but it sounded like it was w/ an e, either way, I googled the name Jesus years later and learned it is a very poor translation of His name. Like most Americans I had never heard of the name Yashua before the dream.

          I also stopped saying amen b/c the Ruach kept saying to me, you’ve been saying that word your whole life never having taken time to understand what it means, I stopped saying it b/c there was a bad feeling in my spirit, when i said it. I googled years after I stopped saying it and learned amen is the name of an Egyptian god. I just say according to your spirit so be it at the end of my prayers or something along those lines, I don’t teach my son amen or Jesus either.

          I began calling Yhwh Yahuah b/c, one day I just began hearing that name in my head. I’ve been tormented by demon tounges before so I was not sure if I should say that name out loud or just bind satan so I would stop hearing it, I had never heard it before, I googled it a few days later and learned it was the name of God, so now I call Yhwh Yahuah as well.

          Things the Ruach taught me w/regards to names, there is no reason NOT to call Him by His name if you know it. Yashua has been very Europeanized to the point there is no denying there is an agenda, saying His Hebrew name wakes ppl to the reality that He was indeed a Hebrew not a European, which hold much signifigance and for some treaded upon racial groups is a very important fact. Also simply put why not call Him Yashua we can pronounce it and it is His name, there is no reason not to.

          However if someone calls on Yhwh by the name you know Him as be it Yeshua,Yashua,Jesus ect..He knows your understanding or lack of and will not turn a deaf ear to those who call Him, it is more important to understand the power in the name. For years I called on Jesus when demons attacked and they would flee, one time demons came into my room and were walking and stomping all over me it hurt so bad not a physical pain tho, I called Jesus, and the demons got in my face and laughed. I was shocked, I spoke w Ruach to learn why they were able to laugh and keep attacking me, Ruach explained to me it is the authority and power that is the rebuke not the actual word, to exercise authority over spirits I had to understand the authority I had in the name of Jesus/Yeshua/Yashua there is power IN the name… Lastly, consider NO other character in history is so obsessively drawn in a race and culture He simply was not, most other characters in history are called by there names(unless we have to translate it b/c of lack or characters or ability to translate) if we know His name why not call Him by it, if we know his racial background and culture why not depict Him in it?

          Anyway, just wanted to share what I have learned about His name, I know Yhwh does not ignore ppl who call Him Jesus but why not call Him Yashua, He was a Hebrew.

          On another I looooove your site, thank you for the important work you do. Peace n blessings,
          -Ze

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          • Bat crazy.

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          • stoneage says:

            WTF! This is the craziest post I’ve read so far. Hearing voices and having visions are the symptoms of a mental illness called schizophrenia. You need to address this condition urgently as these same voices may go on tell you to do harm to others and yourself!

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        • One more thing, Yahuah explained to me why it is important to say His name as compared to just saying God (specifically amongst unbelievers) He reminded me of my days in the service, when the chaplains would pray for ceremonies ect.. They could not say in the name of Jesus anymore, they could pray to God but were not allowed to specify which god, as ppl serve many different gods these days. Accordingly, Yhwh reminded me when ppl say god they can be referring to any of the many gods, but when ppl say Yhwh, Yahuah and the like you know who they are talking about, god has become so ambigious these days, you never know who ppl are reffering to. I asked a chaplain what religion he was and his response was ” what religion do you need me to be?”. Needless to say ppl mean many things when they say god, but you know it’s the god of the bible when you say Yhwh, even if you have to explain to ppl who don’t know that name.

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        • Richard Williams says:

          JESUS native tongue was hebrew/aramaic seeing as how he was a jew he may have been able to speak greek but I assure you it wasn’t his main language and problem only spoke it when in areas where it was used.JESUS “Never” quoted the old testament because it did not exist when he was alive and never quoted any greek text either the old testament is a christianised version of the torah so jesus would not have used it or quoted it even if it was available at the time which it was not.Anything greek at the time would be associated with GREEK mythology PAGAN gods and beliefs which Yawheh forbid his people to associate with and something the christians embraced “catholicism” in an attempt to bring on more converts.JESUS never gave himself a greek name being jewish that would be ABSURD and revelations is in the new testament therefore it is not a valid source of information about jesus in fact nothing in the new testament is true about jesus because he never wrote,preached,taught from the new testament a book that was put together 300 yrs after christianity was formed and by that time jesus was long,long,long gone.JESUS never heard of chrisitanity or anything related to the religion it did not exist when he was alive

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          • The Tora was written by Moses so how could it not be available in Jesus time. He did speak on it in the temple when ever He spoke in the temple. And if he never referenced the Ot where did He get the 10 Commandments from that He spoke about? The bible is the Word of God and even though it’s been revised over the centuries, it’s still The Word of God as God wanted us to have it. Stick to the older versions and not the modern translations that are messed with by man and you will get it right. It’s sad how many call themselves Christians and don’t even believe God’s word. Also He knew that He was the Christ and Christianity did exist upon His death and resurrection and He knew that was going to happen and what the result would be. You say Jesus was long long gone before Christianity was formed and that is saying He isn’t here now. He is here now and is not gone at all, if you are truly a Christian He lives within you with the Holy Ghost-the third part of the deity of God. You better get your facts straight before you tell the world the bible isn’t true.

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          • Richard Williams,

            Firstly, you need to be introduced to this little thing called a period. It looks like this little dot here, at the end of this sentence. See that? (that was a question mark, which is also used at the end of sentences, when asking questions). Use punctuation.

            Secondly, you’re sadly, though comically, misinformed. Jesus most certainly DID quote the Septuagint. The Septuagint existed 200-300 years before Christ’s birth.

            You’re also sadly, and ridiculously comically, misinformed concerning when the New Testaments texts were written. But commenting further to an imbecile such as yourself should prove to be a waste of time.

            I just wanted to make sure that anyone else reading (especially the numbskulls who gave your comment a “thumbs up”) your retarded comments, that they are completely out of line with reality.

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          • WRONG!!!!!

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        • Actually they spoke a language close to their own Semitic language…Aramaic!

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    • What a load of crap “jesus Christ Is the most hated name” seeing as how christianity is unfortunately the world dominant religion

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      • Hi Newt Man,

        Thanks for your comments. With all due respect, you do see the irony in your statement, right?

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        • Kenneth Acushla says:

          Christendom, Churchianity is the dominant religion. True Christianity of Ecclesia Christians is a small minority, the faithful Remnant in the Western Nations. People in the churches endorse the Agony of pain babies go through when they are aborted showing they are not True Christianity so they are the dominant religion of Churchianity.

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    • This trailer looks great … graphics are cool and the acting top notch… let’s not be too hard on it…. God will use it for His glory….

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      • I know, right? The trailer looks AMAZING!!! I’m sold! I will definitely see it! The fountains of the great deep get major play!!!

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      • Unfortunately, we will never be able to make a movie that accurately portrays everyone’s individual thoughts on how the Bible is to be interpreted. I hope you are right, and that at least this will allow Christians to start meaningful conversations w/ non-believers, even if it starts w/ criticizing God, if God is indeed portrayed in a bad light in this movie. That only opens the door for the believer’s testimony about how richly blessed he or she is by the love of God. Believer’s can then share the truth of a merciful God’s love who sent His Son to die for us. I just hope that Christians respond to others w/ gentleness and not defensive natures, otherwise our words will fall on deaf ears. We must practice what we preach and be willing to listen to someone who has little or no faith and try to empathize so we can most accurately respond in love. <3 to you all.

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      • Unfortunately, we will never be able to make a movie that accurately portrays everyone’s individual thoughts on how the Bible is to be interpreted. I hope you are right, and that at least this will allow Christians to start meaningful conversations w/ non-believers, even if it starts w/ criticizing God, if God is indeed portrayed in a bad light in this movie. That only opens the door for the believer’s testimony about how richly blessed he or she is by the love of God. Believer’s can then share the truth of a merciful God’s love who sent His Son to die for us. I just hope that Christians respond to others w/ gentleness and not defensive natures, otherwise our words will fall on deaf ears. We must practice what we preach and be willing to listen to someone who has little or no faith and try to empathize so we can most accurately respond in love. <3 to you all.

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    • Athiest here. Don’t know where you got the idea that people hate Jesus: we don’t.

      Universally, he’s a pretty good role model: kind, compassionate, and merciful. I wish the world was a bit more like him.

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      • Sidney Burrows says:

        The bible warns us that in these last days there will be scoffers and we see it all around, Satan is making his last stand and will use any means or individual that will allow themselves to be used to distort the truth. The media for the most part are gradually being controlled by atheist, evolutionist and many religionists to distort the truth, however the true believer will not be persuaded by these Satanic forces. As more of the signs that Jesus spoke of becomes evident many of these nay Sayers will run to the Ark of Safety who is Jesus Christ repenting of their ignorance.

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        • I’m also an atheist, and as an agent of Satan, I can confirm that this is exactly what we are doing.

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        • Rushtallica says:

          Persecution complex much? Please post again when you actually aren’t able to pray or attend services anymore rather than simply being frustrated because people don’t want your views pushed on them. Thanks in advance.

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      • You show very little understanding of the Jesus of the Bible. If the idea you call Jesus is associated with just a pretty good role model then you don’t really know what He said. Jesus spoke numerous times about His’ Diety, and the rest of the Scriptures confirm it. If you don’t know what John was talking about when he said ‘And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.’ Then you don’t know the Jesus of the Bible.

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        • Richard Williams says:

          JOSHUA –

          You show very little understanding of the Jesus of the Bible. If the idea you call Jesus is associated with just a pretty good role model then you don’t really know what He said. Jesus spoke numerous times about His’ Diety, and the rest of the Scriptures confirm it. If you don’t know what John was talking about when he said ‘And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.’ Then you don’t know the Jesus of the Bible

          ( Actually New Testament Christians don’t understand anything about Jesus we don’t know what Jesus said because he NEVER wrote anything down,and everything your new testament says about hm cannot be trusted seeing as how your book was put together 300 yrs after Chrisitanity formed and LONG after Jesus was gone.Jesus according to the jewish faith which he followed was NOT the messiah nor was he God in the flesh so you cannot confirm anything about jesus from the christian new testament becauise jesus wasn’t christian and never read,preached or taught from your bible )

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          • We as Christians trust what the Bible says as it is God’s word and has in it exactly what God wanted us to have. It’s been rewritten over the centuries but it still has exactly what God wants us to have in it. I watch what translation I trust as many of those are copies of older versions written by a person or group of people not ordained by God. I personally trust the King James Version as it was written under God’s authority. People can believe what they want about God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost or not believe any of it if they choose. That’s what free will is all about. I live it on faith in God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost that leads my life. If that’s wrong I’ll know on judgment day. Until then I keep telling others about Jesus and what He has done for me.

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            • Richard Williams says:

              CAROLYN COCHRUN –

              We as Christians trust what the Bible says as it is God’s word and has in it exactly what God wanted us to have. It’s been rewritten over the centuries but it still has exactly what God wants us to have in it. I watch what translation I trust as many of those are copies of older versions written by a person or group of people not ordained by God. I personally trust the King James Version as it was written under God’s authority. People can believe what they want about God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost or not believe any of it if they choose. That’s what free will is all about. I live it on faith in God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost that leads my life. If that’s wrong I’ll know on judgment day. Until then I keep telling others about Jesus and what He has done for me.

              ( So tell me which book is the word of this god you trust and follow?? The Torah or The New Testament?? now becaureful think real hard before you answer cause remember both books are from 2 totally DIFFERENT beliefs,the jews do not have your christianised version of there torah you call OT.I get this all the time from christians like you and it never ceases to amaze me how clueless you guys aer about your bible.The New Testament was NEVER the word of any gOD other than the one you worship from scripture and what I mean by that is he is ONLY real to you folks.The REAL God of heaven is NOT associated with any man-made religion it’s very arrogant and disrespectful of christians of your particular faith to claim that your version of God applies to all of us,and funny you mention how this book you love so much was re-written,re-translated,mistranslated,misinterpreted,revised,changed,altered etc.. but still retains what you think God wants us to know?? You have got to be kidding me right?? If you knew the history behind the King James version you wouldn’t be saying that it’s about as trustworthy as a comic book about bigfoot being real.So God loves England MORE than America so much so he CHOSE them to translate his word into the KINGS English “INTERESTING” but our money says IN GOD WE TRUST but he didn’t trust us enough to let americans translate it.Judgment day ONLY applies to followers of your scripture so have fun whenever that happens I’ll be enjoying my life as a non-judgmental,non-condenming Gnostic Christian oh and one more thing you guys really shouldn’t be telling anyone about jesus if you can’t give accurate,truthful information )

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              • Let me put it this way, judgment day will touch every human ever born on this planet and you have the right to believe what you want and I’ll believe the truth. God has done too much for me to turn my back on Him. He is the same God the Jews worship they just were lied to about Jesus and will have their chance to be saved with the Holy Ghost being given to them after the rapture happens. So like I said, you believe what you choose to believe and I’ll continue to believe my God and live for Him and share His good news with the world.

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                • Richard Williams says:

                  CAROLYN COCHRUN –

                  Let me put it this way, judgment day will touch every human ever born on this planet and you have the right to believe what you want and I’ll believe the truth. God has done too much for me to turn my back on Him. He is the same God the Jews worship they just were lied to about Jesus and will have their chance to be saved with the Holy Ghost being given to them after the rapture happens. So like I said, you believe what you choose to believe and I’ll continue to believe my God and live for Him and share His good news with the world.

                  ( yeah,yeah,yeah I know I’ve heard this all before but it still just a bunch of religious nonsense your judgment day scenario will only touch the minds and beliefs of christian in a DREAM because NONE of it will ever happen in real life,one day you folks aer gonna realise that your beloved scripture ONLY applies to believers and that the REAL God of heaven does NOT adhere to your particular brand of religion or any relgion for that matter.Oh no,no,no how many times do I have to tell you guys that you and the jews do NOT believe in the same God first of all YAWHEH is the ONE true God of Isreal NOT a 3 in 1 deity like you folks believe with JEHOVAH,You see YAWHEH “NEVER” became a man and die for anyones sins and NEVER told anyone to start chrisitantity or write your new testament.You people just can’t go around changing,twisting,altering an entire religions beilef system in an attempt to validate your beliefs about jesus that is ABSURD!!!.You can’t tell the jews they have to worship your chrisitan God just because you think you and the jews have the same deity when the facts show otherwise.)

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                  • And Richard – Jehovah is “the one true God” based on what? Your hunches? The Book of Judas? Your psychic intuition or mystical powers? You have yet to quote any text or source for anything you say. You are basically espousing New Age doctrine – anything you believe goes. Why? Well because you say so, of course! This is pure satanic delusion. You’re making this big deal about Christians telling Jews to believe. What do you believe? What is your religion and how do you practice it? Saying it’s “personal” is nothing short of a cop out. you have had ample time to try and attack the beliefs of others providing no evidence theological or historical. Why don’t you tell us what the correct religion is, since you seem to be so certain.

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                    • Richard Williams says:

                      BEGINNING AND END

                      And Richard – Jehovah is “the one true God” based on what? Your hunches? The Book of Judas? Your psychic intuition or mystical powers? You have yet to quote any text or source for anything you say. You are basically espousing New Age doctrine – anything you believe goes. Why? Well because you say so, of course! This is pure satanic delusion. You’re making this big deal about Christians telling Jews to believe. What do you believe? What is your religion and how do you practice it? Saying it’s “personal” is nothing short of a cop out. you have had ample time to try and attack the beliefs of others providing no evidence theological or historical. Why don’t you tell us what the correct religion is, since you seem to be so certain.

                      ( I clearly stated that I’m a Gnostic Christian so your comment about New Age Doctrine is just ignorance on your part you folks mostly just believe what you are told from your christian peers or superiors or if you do decide to study it’s always iin a BIASED manner so you never really learn anything about other beliefs.I’m not the one trying to force my beliefs on everyone like the christians that say all non-believers have to accept christ,obey your god or else. Satanic delusion?? you know it never fails everytime I discuss or debate with a christian at some point in the conversation they gotta bring up there little buddy satan as a last resort when someone is challenging what they beileve.I’m making a big deal about it because every christian i talk with claims the jews have to do this or has to do that,or they aer responsible becaue of rebellion,disobediance,being lost,need to accept christ,blinded by god from the truth and it’s just “ridiculous” how you guys slander the jews as if they can’t interpret there own text without a christians help.I tell them what the torah says when they start bringing up there so called proof about jesus being messiah and all the otherr crap they claim like the jews aer in rebellion or in the dark about jesus.Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t we go over this already?? you asked what I believed and I told you and funny that your COMPLAINING about me attacking your beliefs when christians like you are ALWAYS attacking everyone else that doesn’t share your new testament beliefs “hypocrite” and there is NO correct religion because ALL of them aer wrong our creator is Spiritual “NOT” Religious and I NEVER claimed my belief was the CORRECT one that everyone should follow that’s what you folks say even though your wrong)

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                  • Jesse Alan Long says:

                    Richard, quit being the namesake of your nickname, okay? You are welcome.

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              • You know Richard, for a non-condemning, non- judgemental Gnostic, you sure have a lot of condemning, judgemental things to say.

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                • gnostic67 says:

                  JASON – I’m just telling the truth besides your people have a monopoly on being judgemental and condemning so why be a hypocrite about this??

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                  • Gnosticism is to Simon Magus to Manicheism & Catherism. The Principle belief of Gnostism discounts in the God of the Bible, trying to separate the Son from the Father, is but to the Prophecy of “he who comes in his own name”, is to know its hidden god which is the Pseudo christ – Krisna/Zeus, the god of freemasonry. Gnostism comes in christian names but nothing to do with Apostolic Christianity. Another christ /another gospel is what it is. Paganism in a different Avatar its other name, where flesh is evil & hence is condemned so whatever done in the flesh is of no matter, whereas in Christianity it is called to Crucify the flesh, to the words of Jesus to “Pick up your crosses & follow me” to equate with Him, which again is the Prophecy of “Looking up to the brazen serpent on the pole” in the wilderness where the serpent denotes ones flesh to its desires come down from Eden, but the difference is that the flesh is not condemned by God but Gnostism condemns it, when in Christianity deeds of the flesh is called for restrain, the sin in Gnostism does not matter for in any case the flesh is evil. The End result of crucifying the flesh is to resurrection in spiritual bodies in Christianity It seems to Gnostism risen without the body (since it is condemned) is to rise as Ghosts is but to that endless reincarnation & Jumbo Mumbos theories.
                    The simplicity of Mind of Christ is but a holy mind & when a sinful mind attempts to search it , it gets deflected to the source of its corruption & as a result that which is received is from that very source all the while thinking that it is from God. This is Gnostics even to all that Divinci paintings/codes/movies etc., The Lie out of the mind of satan. No wonder the truth is mocked.

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            • Amen. Carolyn. What Richard is doing is “suppressing the truth.” He wants to make arbitrary accusations against Christians and the Bible with no evidence and never explain what he even believes. Why? Because he is worried about reproof. But praise God you understand out missions is to forgive and continue sharing the Gospel with him and all people in love.

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              • Richard Williams says:

                BEGINNING AND END

                Amen. Carolyn. What Richard is doing is “suppressing the truth.” He wants to make arbitrary accusations against Christians and the Bible with no evidence and never explain what he even believes. Why? Because he is worried about reproof. But praise God you understand out missions is to forgive and continue sharing the Gospel with him and all people in love.

                ( How am I suppressing the truth when your brand of christianity never had it in the first place?? my accusations are based on the actions,behaviour,beliefs and doctrine of your form of christianity it’s not somethng I just made up out of boredom I’m an adult not a child nor am I an athiest.I believe in God and Jesus just NOT your particular version of things, what you have to understand is that God NEVER put you new testament christians in charge of monitoring,maintaining,supervising or correcting our behaviour and he definitely didn’t give special knowledge EXCLUSIVE to your religion about Jesus. I tell you what since you folks claim christianity is a continuation or completion of judaism and that the new covenant was suppose to be a christian one under Jesus.SHOW me passages that support those claims, I want you to show me from the HEBREW bible that YAWHEH wanted another covenant “specifically” under the christian faith,,that he chose the christians to take over in carrying out his will seeing as how you guys claim the jews are in rebellion/disobediance to it and that he wanted ANOTHER holy book called the new testament. If you can show me this I will PUBLICLY apologise for my comments right here on this forum and leave my Gnostic faith.Now let me say this I have asked these questions of christians in the past MANY times and NOT one has been able to provide me with this information so lets see what you got.)

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                • RICHARD:

                  Where did Carolyn or Beginning and End say they were touting a certain religion? We are saying we believe in Jesus, that we have lain down for us in the Bible. As a Gnostic Christian, which you claim to be, you should believe and read the same Bible we do. The only difference is your religion adds a few books that Christians don’t believe are handed down by God. If you truly follow Gnostic beliefs, then we shouldn’t be having an argument about whether the Bible is real and infallible.
                  You want proof that God gave us a new covenant specific to the Christian faith? It’s there, you know. There’s four books worth of it. They’re called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. These men, with the exception of Luke, were witnesses to the miracles and works of Jesus Christ, and chronicled the miraculous things they saw. Yes, these chronicles were bound together and named by the Councils of Worms and Nice in later centuries, but they were handwritten by the men who were privileged enough to witness Jesus during His life on Earth. It shows that His main purpose in coming was to fulfill the prophecies lain down in the Old Testament concerning the Messiah. He was the FULFILLMENT of Judaism, NOT, the destroyer of it. There are Jews today who practice full-fledged Judaism, but have accepted that Jesus returned as the Messiah, and therefore will be taken up to Heaven when He comes.
                  As to Jesus quoting the Old Testament, have you actually read the Bible? You claim to, yes, but have you really read what Jesus said? He quoted from the Old Testament over 20 times in Matthew alone, as well as once in Mark, three times in Luke, and four times in John. He has a great respect for the Law, and says so on multiple occasions. He came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it. Do not speak of what you do not understand. Jesus never came to get rid of the Law. He came to fulfill it, and establish a new covenant with the world. Read this: “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. ” This is from Romans 1. It explains the new covenant that was lain down when Jesus came and died for our sins.
                  Welcome to the Christian faith, Richard. Hope you uphold your promise.

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                  • Well Said Hosea 4:6

                    King James Version (KJV)

                    6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

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            • Then, you need to study who KING JAMES was and learn why and how he picked and chose what books he wanted in his version of the Bible that you trust. I bet you know nothing about KING JAMES.

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              • Hi Shallsie,

                Thanks for your comments but I respectfully disagree. I have heard the accusation of books of the Bible being selected or picked many times and I submit it is categorically untrue. The cannon of the Bible was established almost 1400 years before the KJV. So if you have any evidence from a credible historical source involving King James picking and choosing books please provide it.

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                • Hey Beginning and End. I am a pastoral student and while i totally agree with what you said I have one thing to add to what you are saying that I hope will help. The KJV is a good version of the bible it is the First Bible to be in full English and has only been revised once in the 1700’s. However people have been saying in this feed that the bible was rewritten. Was it? i am pretty sure the Bible has only been Transcribed and then re transcribed over and over again and that in the Early church there were people who had the job of specifically copying from one manuscript to a blank sheet and they had some errors here and there. However these errors have been looked at and checked for centuries. This Text criticism that we put the passages of Scripture through are what help us to know what was most likely printed on the original text and there are parts of the Bible in the Greek and the Hebrew that have no Variations. If some of the people on here learned Greek they would know this because like me they would study from a Greek New testament. (If you want to learn Greek the best resource is “Basics of Biblical Greek”, By William Mounce.) These petty squabble that this Gnostic “Christian” has are not those of a Gnostic but of a total Heretic I am sorry but the Bible is the truth and if anything is taken from it or added to it by any of us it takes away from the story. My mom usd to believe that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were a couple and that Jesus had sex. NO! this would ruin the divinity of Chirsit and the power of his death therefore making nothing in the Bible accurate and therefore making everything i believe and that all true Christians belive to be false. I know i have ran off on a tangent but to get back to what i was saying. Today we have new translations of the texts some of even those books in the Old testament found at Qumran, and now more then ever before, except for maybe right after the originals were finished, do we have a knowledge of what the New Testament truly says. Richard can disagree with this all he wants to. Actually Richard Williams Have a field day with this post since you have been trolling everyone on here. I will hear out anything you have to say and i will debate you right back.
                  Finally to all you True Believers in Jesus Christ that Read this i hope you have a blessed day and a blessed year and that God may provide for you in your lives what you need whether that be food or more clothes or a place to sleep. Stay strong in Jesus Christ and show his Love to the Nations. God Bless.

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      • Thank you for saying that. He is a great role model and I am as happy to quote him as I am with Buddha. But more often I don’t because I don’t want to be associated with people of the hateful mindset demonstrated on this website. So much hate, racism and homophobia for my little bubble of peace and love. The very meaning of the story of Noah is of wrath, hate and judgement and I won’t worship anyone so cruel. My God is Love.

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      • I feel as though many of the “haters” are people who believe in a god but feel abandoned, more than the atheists at times. I’ve dealt with feeling unworthy and didn’t really understand love and when you don’t understand love you can’t give it. Thanks for your comments. I respect that you were open enough to say that you have no issue with Jesus. Christians sometimes like to quote scripture and not live their lives in love. That is truly more of the reason for Christians being disliked…then again a well person doesn’t go to a doctor, so all of us come to Jesus as sinner’s in need of help and repentance. When people think Christians are these wonderful role models…that is where the trouble starts. We are all in need of help and love. Comes as par for the course in a fallen world.

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    • Rushtallica says:

      Jesus the most hated name on earth? I don’t think so. Over the centuries, some Christians have given a bad name to Christianity, though.

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    • It all makes sense now. god is punishing us for rewriting the bible… that’s why all the people that wrote it are dead.

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    • Anonymous says:

      amen

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  2. I will have to avoid this movie.

    Now people who watch this movie will dub the bible as fantasy, others who watch this movie would believe this movie rather than the bible.

    whole purpose of satan’s game is to pull people away from Jesus, pull their eyes away from the truth!

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    • You know who dubs the bible as fantasy? Anyone who’s really read it.

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      • I wouldn’t necessarily believe that.

        Do you know that archaeologists are still using the Bible to find digs and ancient cities? Sure, the tales of Adam and Noah are seemingly hard to believe, but there’s many concrete facts within the Holy Bible’s pages.

        Or is a book with such preposterous claims that we evolved from rocks and monkeys more your style?

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        • Peter Dayntree says:

          I’ve studied Archaeology and there are only biblical archaeologists using the bible for finding sites.
          No genuine archaeologists are bothering with it, because most of it is incoherent and in many cases, totally inaccurate.
          You have evidently only read biblical archaeology which is far from true and real.
          Most genuine archaeologists consider biblical archaeology as pure bunkum.
          No biblical archaeology passes archaeological peer review and doesn’t appear in peer reviewed archaeological journals.
          There are many that searched sites referred to in the bible and have demonstrated the inaccuracies within the scriptures because Christians harass them with questions and criticism.
          Though the only real fact is: There are not any genuine archaeologists using the bible as a guide for their digs.
          We have gone far, far beyond finding any usefulness in the bible as a guide for close to a century now.

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        • Jeanne Parker says:

          For — sake… We did not evolve from MONKEYS, we share a common ancestor with the modern apes and other primates !

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        • rite on kukumei!!! You got that rite!!!

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      • You poor soul…

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      • Peter Daynetree says:

        So True Don!
        I’ve read the bible from cover to cover several times, a few times under guidance of priests and theologians, the rest by myself when I was studying religious history.
        Yes, I believe the now growing concept that the bible was a product of malfunctioning temporal lobes.
        Moses and others all gained their concepts from hallucinations.
        So do most of the world’s neurologists and many leading psychologists.
        There is not one fact on earth that supports Noah’s flood as being real neither.
        To state that there is evidence supporting it, is a total lie.
        I’ve reviewed all the evidence in my studies into the history of Christianity and there is not one iota of evidence supporting the flood.
        Some historians believe that the real Noah was only taking animals to market and got washed downstream by a local flood. This tale was simply blown way out of proportion by the writer(s) of Genesis. Just as the Gilgamesh flood (Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooding) was turned into a global flood by those writers.

        Cheers :D

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        • I think you may hope you are rite, after all you weren’t around back then were you? Are you sure about how things went down?? I’ll let you know in the millennium, and don too…how wrong you were…

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        • Peter —
          As a former UNbeliever / doubter / skeptic / critic, I can now heartily suggest that you do not stop SEEKING Jesus. Only an indwelling of the Holy Spirit reveals the truth of scripture — and the Holy Spirit a GIFT from Jesus, one that cannot be earned, only received after diligently and SINCERELY asking with a true desire. If one reads and studies only to critique and find fault, then that’s all one will find. A genuine curiosity of open-minded WHY is a good road.

          And yes … I just prayed for you.

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          • Richard Williams says:

            JAMES – Peter is right aand you aer definitely wrong!!! No one has to seek Jesus remember he was JEWISH and has absolutely NO ties to Christianity at all what you are describing is pure religous indoctrination by your faith an open-mind is what you need to allow logic,reason and common sense to prevail when reading scripture unfortunately MANY christians have a closed mind and believe that only their religion and bible contains truth about God,Jesus and why we aer here which is simply NOT the case

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            • Richard, you are absolutely right in saying Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian, but to say he has absolutely no ties to Christianity doesn’t really matter.

              There is obviously no “command” by God or Christ in the scripture to call ourselves Christians and you could argue that we are all actually Jews, as it was the Jews who gave us the name “little Christs” as an insult..

              But whether we call ourselves Jews or Christians (or Catholics) should matter not!

              I haven’t read the post you replied to, but IMO we do seek Jesus, but not in a “chase” sense. We seek the ideal of Christ through our behavior and actions, in order to be good people.

              Whether you be a Jew or a Christian or neither, and want to seek that ideal should make no difference as long as you do it and live by it.

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              • Richard Williams says:

                SNS –

                Richard, you are absolutely right in saying Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian, but to say he has absolutely no ties to Christianity doesn’t really matter.

                ( Yes it does matter because Christianity is putting out FALSE information about Jesus NOT based on facts but based on biased religious beliefs )

                There is obviously no “command” by God or Christ in the scripture to call ourselves Christians and you could argue that we are all actually Jews, as it was the Jews who gave us the name “little Christs” as an insult..

                ( Your only jewish if you were born in Isreal and have jewish ancestors )

                But whether we call ourselves Jews or Christians (or Catholics) should matter not!

                ( That matters as well because NOT all religions have the same beliefs about God even under the many different christians faiths you do not have total agreement on Jesus,God and christian text )

                I haven’t read the post you replied to, but IMO we do seek Jesus, but not in a “chase” sense. We seek the ideal of Christ through our behavior and actions, in order to be good people.

                ( ONLY Christians are suppose to seek jesus you can’t automatically apply one religions beliefs on everyone esepcially people that believe something totally different or reject religion altogether,and just to let you know GOD never wanted a bunch of Jesus clones otherwise he would not have given us free will to make our own choices and decisions right or wrong, relgion is not the litmus test of good behaviour when you look at all the Bad done in the name of relgion and the god they worship and the horrible thiings done by religious people today and in the past )

                Whether you be a Jew or a Christian or neither, and want to seek that ideal should make no difference as long as you do it and live by it.

                ( No one has to seek anytrhing that is christian related or jesus related we have FREE choice to reject or accept whatever we choose so if we choose NOT to believe in god,jesus,heaven,hell,judgment,sin,satan etc… that is our right and seeing as how everything in the bible comes from man we have nothing to worry about )

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            • “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” -John 14:6.

              This is not Judaism. Jesus preaches salvation through HIM. He preached Himself, not the Old Testament and the Mosaic Law. He indeed started the Christian faith, which is centered on eternal life in Heaven through the atoning work He did on the cross. I have noticed in many comments you have made incorrect assertions about the Christian faith and have not once cited the Bible. Do you have any Scripture to support your claims? -B&E

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          • Amen. Very well said.

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            • Richard Williams says:

              BEGINNING AND END –

              First off, the oldest fragment of the epic of Gilgagmesh dates back to the 18th century BC. The first give books of Moses date back to the 16th century BC. So I am not sure where you find a 1,000 year gap.

              ( Here is my response to this it’s from a friend of mine I met several years ago in a religious chatroom who is VERY knowledgable in ancient history.He provided me with this information because I was in a dicussion about this same topic last year on facebook with a calvanist christian. :)

              The book of Job is normally dated to the post-exilic period – or at the very earliest, to the 6th century BCE. The incredible assertion that Moses (who all but ultra conservative commentators agree did NOT write the Pentateuch) used materials from the great library of Egypt is just as far fetched. This suggestion is made somewhat problematic by the fact that the library of Alexandria was not even built until the third century BCE.

              Finally, the slightly more sophisticated argument that Standard Babylonian version of Gilgamesh was composed around the same time fundamentalists believe Moses wrote Genesis, is also flawed. The Old Babylonian version (c 1700BCE) of Gilgamesh most probably did not include the flood story. One of the original Sumerian poems (c1800 BCE) does mention the flood story briefly. The Sumerian “Eridu Genesis” (c2100 BCE) contains a flood story that appears to be almost identical to the Gilgamesh one. Most telling, however, is that scholars are certain the flood story in Gilgamesh is borrowed from the Epic of Atrahasis (17th or 18th century BCE). The Mesopotamian story clearly predates even the oldest dates suggested by conservatives for the composition of the biblical flood narrative. Additionally, the story contains clear Mesopotamian features – floods are typical of the region but not of Canaan, the ark comes to rest on a northern Mesopotamian mountain range, and there are numerous archaeological records of floods that devastated large Mesopotamian cities in antiquity (though not all at once). Surely the simplest explanation is that the writer/s of Genesis became acquainted with this story during the Babylonian captivity and used the flood story against their captors. Remember, in the Mesopotamian version it is a slave race that is destroyed (Atrahasis). In the biblical account it is a corrupt and violent civilization. As such it could be understood as a parable of Babylon’s downfall. Like the creation stories in Genesis 1-3 and the story of the city/tower of Babel, the flood account attempts to undercut, lampoon, and discredit the Babylonian source material. This happens at the same time that the great prophets of the Hebrew Bible compose oracles against Babylonian and predict its destruction.

              The suggestion that both flood stories refer to an actual event again has no geological evidence to support it. The original Mesopotamian flood accounts probably developed from exaggerated stories of local, historical floods that were frequent on the low lying plains of the region fed by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Some scholars feel that many flood stories from other cultures may derive from the original Babylonian flood story itself. This would be due to Babylonia’s key position on international trade routes and the fact that the origins of civilization can be traced to the Sumerians. Another strong possibility is that many regions of the world experience dramatic floods or tsunamis, and local stories may have developed in the same way as the Mesopotamian flood myth. Either way, there is no other flood story, apart from that recorded in Gilgamesh, that has such a close literary relationship to the story of Noah’s ark. Direct borrowing is very hard to disprove, even if it seems that the new story in the Bible is not plagiarism but rather something more akin to political and religious resistance literature.

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              • Well respectfully, your friend is in error. The Epic of Gilgamesh, an actual copy of it, dates back to the 18th century BC. And that is only fragments. The earliest translatable version to discern a story goes back to 6th century BC. The Old testament was written in 1500 BC. So my point about the 1,000 years should be clear. If you are saying the flood took place 1,000 years before Christ on Earth, well of course you are right. That is obvious. But the timelines of the Bible and Ancient Sumer actually line up. Looking at the original Geographic location given in the Bible (the Tigris river) shows it being in the area of ancient Sumer.

                As for evidence of a global flood there is lots of evidence for it. First off being, as I mentioned earlier, that many, many ancient civilizations have a global flood account. These nations had no communication or interaction with each other (your friend provides no evidence of “trade routes” and heavy commercial activity in 3000 BC) yet they all have a history of a flood happening thousands of years ago that consumed the planet.

                For scientific evidence the dust spikes around the Greenland Ice Sheet is what geologists use to determine flood levels on a massive scale and there is certainly evidence of a global flood. An example is here.

                All this being said, the most logical conclusion is that there was a flood and people recorded in it in their respective cultures.

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                • Richard Williams says:

                  BEGINNING AND END –

                  Well respectfully, your friend is in error

                  ( And what if both of you are in error?? Since this isn’t really that big of a deal to me I’ll jsut say this you can believe what you want and I’ll accept my friends explanation of this event and we can move on )

                  All this being said, the most logical conclusion is that there was a flood and people recorded in it in their respective cultures.

                  ( Actually I do believe some kind of flood did occur just not on the scale that religious folks claim or that God was responsible for it I believe that if it did happen it was a NATURAL event.The same way we have FLOODS today remember the flood that happened in 2004 that killed thousands of people in Sri Lanka?? the flood that hit Japan and damaged the nuclear reactor?? and the flood that hit the Phillipines because of the Typhoon?? Were all of those the wrath of God?? “LOL” )

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        • Hi Peter,
          I picked up on your posts because I’m studying psychology and you have mentioned neurology, which I’m reading about at the moment.
          I’m a Catholic, but my husband and son are anti-Christ atheists.
          My husband has just given me Sam Harris’s book “The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values” to read.
          It’s tough reading for somebody like myself who still believes that there may be a God.
          Your comments are very similar to Sam Harris’s ideas about religion.
          I wonder if you know of any other evidence, apart from the God Helmet that God is truly just a figment of human imagination or that the Bible is false?
          This book has made me curious about what neurology has discovered recently, yet there is so little information on the Internet.
          Can you point me in the direction of more information.
          I want to believe in God, because I still sense that there is something powerful out there, even though the rest of my family think I’m silly for believing.
          Or as my scientist husband has told me, I have contaminated mindware from the Catholic indoctrination in my childhood that I cannot fix, and it’s this indoctrination that will continually haunt me into thinking a God exists.
          Your thoughts please!

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      • First of all, you cannot truly understand God’s word without the Holy Ghost to tell you about it. It is spiritually discerned so if you aren’t saved you can read it 1000 times and it will be merely another book to you. I tried to read it before I was saved and saw nothing in it that would make me want to be a Christian but when the Holy Ghost got a hold of me and I accepted Jesus as my personal savior, I sat down to read the bible and couldn’t believe what I was reading. And I didn’t understand why I couldn’t understand it before. After all I can speak and read English very well, So I didn’t know why I couldn’t understand the bible before I was saved but after I was saved it was the easiest book I’d ever read to understand. I spoke to an old baptist preacher and he explained how the word is spiritually discerned and that without the Holy Ghost you cannot possibly understand what God is telling us.
        I also believe that each of our souls knows where it came from and that is what keeps telling you God is real. The problem with atheists is that they over ride what their soul knows to be true and unfortunately they will see the truth of it after it is too. late. Catholic indoctrination isn’t complete right according to God’s word. Actually no denomination has it all right. That’s why we, as Christians, need to stay in God’s word and work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Then we will know what is right and what is not right. Catholics still have Jesus on the cross as seen in their crucifix with Jesus still hanging. They have never accepted the total of His work, to die and be buried and rise on the third day. I don’t believe you will ever be saved staying in the Catholic church. I was in it for a while but knew it wasn’t right. If you attend a Bible church whether it is a baptist bible or just a bible church, they get it pretty close to right. If you go regularly you will eventually be drawn to God by the Holy Ghost and when you feel that within your heart, go to Him and accept Him as your personal savior and you will have a totally different view on it all. The bible will seem like a totally different book to you. Once that happens and you begin to study the word and grow in the Lord, your life will be a witness to your husband and your son. I will be praying for you to see the truth of God but remember it’s a walk of faith. Faith in what we hope for in the future and what we have not seen for ourselves. It’s something that you feel and when you feel it you will know it is true, I promise you.

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        • Amen. I had the same experience, I resisted God and the Bible for almost 40 years, but when the Lord proved himself to me he took away all my doubts and I began to see the Bible in a completely new way, things that mad no sense to me became clear. Praise the Lord. I feel sad for those who refuse to see. Everyone will believe in God one day, either here on earth or at the judgement seat.

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      • Sidney Burrows says:

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    • Have you considerd that if Christians, which I am, kick up a fuss like this and boycott biblical films, that action in itself will only push MORE people aapway from God by making the Church and our faith look unapproachable?

      Attitudes like this don’t help spread Gods word, it only pushes people away.

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      • Hi SNS,

        Why would Christians want people to come to God via a lie? We are to share the truth of God, not a distortion of it, that blasphemes The Lord.

        What if a movie is made about Jesus that mocks Him? Should Christians support the film so the unbelieving world does not take offense? Should we remain silent lest someone see us as “fussy”? I am curious to your thoughts on this. -B&E

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        • Hi again, on that question I can answer a bit better…

          In short, I see no harm in a film or book which may poke fun at our faith or mock Christ – to a limit!

          I realise such an opinion can be viewed as bad, but I assure you I love Christ and respect him with all my heart!

          But there is a very real danger when a community, culture or religion is not willing to allow outsiders to question what they believe, either through mockery, jibe or by taking artistic license with a film.

          A perfect example would be those within the Islamic religion who threatened to kill people in the West purely because they showed an image of Allah in a cartoon.

          Or how foolish the British Church looked when they tried to ban “The Life of Brian” back in the day. An absolutely hilarious and funny film which needs to be watched by all!

          Does that mean I’m asking all Christians to remain silent if we see something we don’t like because its too fussy…

          It depends on whether the person causing the offense intends to cause nothing but offense through vulgarity, foul language, violence, etc etc….

          ….or whether they are attempting to make a statement and make us think and raise question?

          I have gone to art galleries and seen photos which are extremely upsetting, showing images of drug abuse and worse. Yet it has drawn attention to a real, actual problem in our world that some may choose to ignore because it suits them.

          On the other hand, if someone is stood on the street corner, with a sign saying “Christ is not real and all Christians are brain-washed” that has no benefit to anyone and is purely an intent to cause offense and the police should be called.

          Those aren’t great examples, but hopefully it makes the point.

          This Noah film in my opinion is not intending to insult or harm our faith. I believe the directory has shown great respect for the source material and used his own artistic judgement to suit the medium of film and entertainment.

          Yes it may contains inaccurate details and perhaps lies…. but he has stated himself that the film is not intended to be accurate. What more can he do? Plus he is an artist and has all the rights and freedoms to produce his work how he feels best!

          As an artist (photographer) myself, I have to respect and honor that.

          I also believe the general public will be intelligent enough (if it inspires them to look into God) to actually seek the truth fully and research the truth about Noah and the Ark and all its finer details.

          I can only speak from the perspective of the UK, but in this country we have a lot of naive people who simply will not give Christ the time-of-day, to learn about him or about the bible. If you mention Church or God or Christ to a lot of people in the UK, they glaze over.

          I attend a church in Newcastle-Upon-Tyne called NCLC, which is linked to the Hillsong Churches and we have a vibrant, growing congregation of young people, ranging from 10 to 20 and upwards. We have about 300 people attend every Sunday and virtually all of those young-people are excited about this film.

          Loads of them have spammed facebook with posts saying “I cant wait to see Noah, it looks amazing” and not a single one has attacked it or reject it!

          I would rather see hundreds of young people excited about a film in the cinema because it has a Godly story… then have hundreds of young people protesting and attacking that film in anger!

          When was the last time Hollywood invested in films from the scripture?

          Not since the 1950s and now we have Noah and two other films in the pipeline… it may not be ideal, but we should be looking upon this as an amazing chance to reach the youth of this world, instead of protesting and attacking.

          As I said in a previous post… consider how this website and its attack on the film projects onto non-Christians. Its all well and good wanting to protect our faith, but Christianity already has a bad reputation in the world and is being put into the same category as “extremists” in some places.

          Trying to boycott films and opportunities such as this… only makes us look worse!

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          • Hi SNS,

            Thanks for getting back to me. Let’s continue. I’ll just quote some of your points:


            “In short, I see no harm in a film or book which may poke fun at our faith or mock Christ – to a limit!”

            So in other words, The Lord Jesus Christ can be mocked only until you say it’s wrong. Don’t you see how this inherently contradicts your entire argument?

            Why can you determine the standards but we can’t? Why is “some mockery” of Christ allowed but it’s wrong for me to criticize a movie? There is hypocrisy riddled throughout everything you’re saying.

            “But there is a very real danger when a community, culture or religion is not willing to allow outsiders to question what they believe, either through mockery, jibe or by taking artistic license with a film.

            A perfect example would be those within the Islamic religion who threatened to kill people in the West purely because they showed an image of Allah in a cartoon.

            Or how foolish the British Church looked when they tried to ban “The Life of Brian” back in the day. An absolutely hilarious and funny film which needs to be watched by all!”

            This is a clear straw-man argument. Nowhere in this article did I ever say Darren Aronofsky should not be permitted to make a film. I never said that he did not have a right to make the film or question the Christian faith. Of course he does. You are arguing against a point never stated in this article. And your comparison to death threats by Muslims over the Danish cartoon (which someone died for by the way) is illogical, irresponsible and completely baseless.

            I don’t know anything about the “Life of Brian” which I am assuming is a movie, so I can’t comment on it.


            “Does that mean I’m asking all Christians to remain silent if we see something we don’t like because its too fussy…

            It depends on whether the person causing the offense intends to cause nothing but offense through vulgarity, foul language, violence, etc etc….

            ….or whether they are attempting to make a statement and make us think and raise question?”

            once again, you are criticizing this website for critiquing a film, but then making up the standards when it’s okay based on what you say is right or wrong. So you are contradicting yourself.

            What about GOD’s STANDARDS? I notice in everything you write, you are guided by your own feelings and beliefs and not the Bible. Where does the Bible fit into your belief system as a Christian? Is it your absolute authority, guide and the inerrant Word of God? At present, your comments do not reflect that.

            Jesus said: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” – John 12:46-48.

            The Word of God is truth (John 17:17) and will be your judge. And the Bible is clear that God is not mocked. You are up in arms that a Christian site has dared to criticize a film starring Russell Crowe but then in the same thread say mockery and poking fun at the Lord God and Savior is okay and even beneficial. Again, whose standards are you following?


            “I would rather see hundreds of young people excited about a film in the cinema because it has a Godly story… then have hundreds of young people protesting and attacking that film in anger!

            When was the last time Hollywood invested in films from the scripture?

            Not since the 1950s and now we have Noah and two other films in the pipeline… it may not be ideal, but we should be looking upon this as an amazing chance to reach the youth of this world, instead of protesting and attacking.”

            Why does it matter if Hollywood invests in Scripture? Is the church supposed to rely on Hollywood to preach the Gospel?? Jesus said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.” (john 12:32). Jesus said He would build His church. As His servants we are to conform to His image and point people to Him. We don’t need movies that distort the truth when we have The Truth, The Gospel of Jesus Christ.

            I did not write this article with anger or malice. Again, you ascribe things to me that are never presented here. And I am not telling anyone to boycott and call the government, etc., about this film. The purpose of the article was to warn Christians who may see the trailers for this film and think it’s a Christian film, when it’s definitely not. If people still choose to see it, again that is their right and prerogative, but as this movie will no doubt be marketed to churches all over the world (the first test screening of the trailer was held for pastors in June), there will no doubt be misconceptions that this film stays faithful to the Biblical account when it in no way does that.

            As for non-Christians who read this article, I hope they understand the truth of the account of the flood in the Bible and not just take Aronofksy’s environmental agenda as the real version. God’s mercy and salvation for humanity is the point of Noah’s account and this movie take that foundational point and seeks to preach the exact opposite. And Christians, who should be committed to truth should have no shame in sharing that with non-Christians. Even if makes us seem like party poopers for the new Noah movie. -B&E

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            • Hi. Thanks for the reply again. I trust in your knowledge being greater then mine and you’ve made very good points, I’m going to unsubscribe now as my inbox is being murdered by all the replies on here.

              But on a side note…. Watch the Life of Brisn. It’s typical british humour!

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  3. Thanks to B&E for yet another informative article. The whole time I was reading it, I kept thinking its such a shame they didn’t produce a more factual biblical film of the times of Noah & the flood, complete with Nephilim, and the proper climate, etc. similar to the portrayal of these events in Vaughn Heppners novel “People of the Ark”. it would have been a much better story & more visually striking. Of course then the movie would have pointed people to God & Jesus Christ, and that appears to be contrary to the Hollywood agenda, and satan’s.

    Gods blessing to the B&E team & all the readers!

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  4. Oh brother!! Noah now an environmentalist and saving animals??? Why are these film writers even allowed to go near a computer???? He should have used the Noah concept, but changed Noah’s name to something different and had this whole scene on a different planet. If he did that, the movie would be an overwhelming success and bigger than Doctor Who. Instead, it’s going to flop. Aronofsky , it’s called a brain, use it!!! I just don’t get these liberals who think it’s ok to do whatever they want, whenever they want.I get so very tired of – this is my liberal complaint and by God, you’ll hear it whether you want or not – nonsense. We don’t care about your issues, Hollywood!!! Get it through your thick skulls!! I feel for Aronofsky, this movie will be his downfall and a nail in his coffin. It’s going to flop. Waste of talent.

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    • Why do you think that God has Noah place animals into the ark? Do you really think it was just so humans could use and exploit them? Alot of Christians today seem to think that protecting animals and the environment are unGodly and unBiblical, when really its the opposite that’s true.

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  5. Don:
    You know who dubs the bible as fantasy? Anyone who’s really read it.

    Don, why are you on this board if you hate Christianity so much and see the Bible as fantasy? Is it just to rant and rave against your hatred of God? Insult others of the Christian faith? Maybe you should go somewhere else where you don’t have to deal with such ‘fantasies’? Or do you enjoy bashing others’ faiths while hiding behind a computer screen, safe and warm? Just asking why you’re here.

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    • Peter Dayntree says:

      Oh, Kim.
      I think you should read some neurology books on hallucinations, schizophrenia and temporal lobe epilepsy.
      The science of neurology in only in it’s mere infancy and already they have already came to a stark realization that much of religion is based on temporal lobe hallucinations.
      Prof. Robert Sapolsky has a good Youtube clip on religion where he demonstrates how the likes of Moses, Muhammad, Solomon, the apostle Paul, possibly Jesus himself and Thomas Aquinas all shared a common bond in schizophrenia and thus confirmation bias of their shared hallucinations,
      Others like Dr. Oliver Sacks “Hallucinations” and Prof. VS Ramachandran “Tell Tale Brain” have all alluded to this.
      It’s very likely that within the next 50 years, neurology will define all current religions as simply products of temporal lobe malfunction.

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      • That doesn’t even begin to answer the hundreds of OT Bible prophecies, made with incredible detail and accuracy, that have come true. No book has a prophetic record like the Bible. If you are actually interested you can do some research from outside the Bible (Josephus, Irenaeus, etc would be good places to start) that confirm the NT account of Jesus and his life. There are literally thousands of references world wide to Jesus outside of the Bible. You’re telling me you’re going to believe some video someone posted on YouTube, but you can’t fathom believing in something that has been around for thousands of years being true? If it was all just some made up fairy tale, that had no basis in reality, it would have gone the way of other religions that have existed throughout history, it would be extinct. It wouldn’t have lasted as long as it has. It was just some “fantasy” people like you would have absolutely no reason to be hostile towards it. You’re hostile because the Spirit is convicting your heart and you don’t want to deal with it.

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        • Peter Daynetree says:

          Wrong Brandon in many repects.
          Firstly, none of the biblical prophesies really came to fruition and legally, there is no definable proof of Jesus’s miracles, they could not stand up in a court of law.
          The only biblical prophesies that ever appeared to happen were formed by those wanting them to happen and deliberately / fraudulently touting that they did occur, when factually, none of them ever occurred and none of them ever will. Especially the extremely dumber than dumb, 20th century non-biblical prophesy / invention of the Rapture.
          No independent witnesses to him actually living exist, only hearsay or anecdotal evidence, nothing that would ever stand up in a court of law exists in Jesus’s favor.
          The references I gave are not Youtube references but serious studies made by some of the world’s leading neurologists on the effects of temporal lobe lesions/damage.
          The effects produce hallucinations mimicking those of Moses, Solomon, St. Paul and many others who wrote in the bible and the theory that the bible is nothing more than hallucination sufferers confirming the work of previous hallucination sufferers is gaining a lot of support in science. They may be entirely correct, which begs the question of: Where does that leave You?

          I believe in the possibility that a supernatural creature/entity may exist, but it is beginning to look very much like it certainly isn’t the god described in the Bible.
          Though I found that fairly obvious when I was studying theology back in the 80s.

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        • could not have said it better myself, why all the hate and hostility towards GOD and JESUS?. That says it all…. Brandon great post. Um peter were does that leave you??? All this worldwide knowledge of Jesus most people have heard of him… why do you think? It he Has not gone away, Islam will die for their “prophet” who’s bones are here to this day, they die in violence, disciples for Jesus don’t take one or a thousand people to death…where are Jesus The Messiah’s bones??
          All this debate matters not, for we know true believers will be persecuted, killed by haters of GOD the Creator, and his anointed one, Jesus . Just know I am writing your names down and i will address you in the millennium, I will not say I told you so but –really I told you so…GOD is not mocked… look it up…

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      • i know a lot of people and none of them have had hallucinations, I know some that have lied to get disability but no real people with hallucinations and held a job….this is a lie…

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  6. I guess this also upsets me b/c the director is rewriting history and rewriting a man’s life who had his own causes and own beliefs in God. It’s very disrespectful like rewriting Doctor Martin Luther King and his causes and beliefs b/c a liberal director wants to speak out against corporate greed. I don’t get it.

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  7. Antisocialist says:

    Don:
    You know who dubs the bible as fantasy? Anyone who’s really read it.

    And there you got caught in a lie.
    Just like your daddy the father of lies huh? Figured as much.

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  8. Royal Rican Prince says:

    Don & Peter,

    I pray that you one day realize the Power of Christ & the Bible because one day you won’t have your so-called education & books to hold onto and will regret your life for all eternity. Meanwhile we will spend eternity with the one book we held onto in this life.

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    • Peter Daynetree says:

      No Prince, I live for the present!
      Eternity doesn’t bother me in any way, I certainly won’t be bothered by anything when I return my body which is just a lump of bacteria cells to the earth where the chemicals that composed me and my consciousness all came from. Which is the exact same fate you have to look forward to.
      I’m not deluded enough to believe in an afterlife that was dreamed up by people suffering hallucinations thousands of years ago.
      I’m just a child of the present and busy learning all there is about reality.
      Your comments have no bearing on my life in any way!
      So you can keep you delusional beliefs to yourself as they only make you appear idiotic to rational people.

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      • Royal Rican Prince says:

        The Lord has given us all the freedom of choice, He just warns us of the consequences of picking the wrong one. Your an adult and at this point responsible for all your actions and will be accountable for whatever in life you chose. Peace to you and may you never regret what you believe in.

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        • Royal Rican Prince, wow you are very nice in how you reply to people who don’t know The Lord. They dont know what they are saying, you know he may try to look you up for advice when the world starts falling in on him in the tribulation, read the Bible people you can see what is happeneing what is going to happen, GOD is telling us in His Word…Jesus is coming back…don’t take the mark of the beast that’s some good advice I can give ya!!!!

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          • Peter Daynetree says:

            Jesus Christ’s love died with him over 2000 years ago.
            His love is entirely worthless today. Because, if you knew anything about the New Testament and the history of Christianity. Jesus Christ didn’t even love his disciples enough to fulfill his promises to them.
            Worthless love in not worth hoping for nor waiting for.
            You are far better off considering it as non-existent.
            I and all my friends here don’t give it a thought.
            Because we are practical, fairly rational people!

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            • we will see…when wormwood passes by earth and all the mountains fall and the islands are moved out of place and massive numbers of people die just like revelation states think back to this conversation…

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        • Peter Daynetree says:

          Actualy Rican Prince,
          When it is considered that now we know humans can turn off the connections to their pain receptors with their own minds, hell doesn’t appear so bad a concept
          Imagine the frustration of Satan when all those happless victims have turned off their sense of pain and actually enjoy the fire and brimstone environment.
          Though your angular cingulate (a part of the brain that interprets pain) dies with your brain and thus in spiritual form you couldn’t feel pain anyway.
          Neurological, freedom of choice has been discovered to be a freedom of not choosing or to coin Dr. Ramachandran’s comment in “The Tell Tale Brain” as changing the term “Free Will” to “Free Won’t”.
          Also, considering my studies into theology and the advent of the concept of “Original Sin”, and the likelihood of humans gaining a place in Heaven, you would be very unlikely to find a relative of yours in Heaven anyway, or at least 95% of them won’t make it there.
          You would likely be there amongst complete strangers and your beloved relatives will be at the other place, enjoying their painless molten environment.
          Lonely and in a sterile (lacking the humor of human error/sin) environment, not an eternity any normal person would hope for!

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          • Royal Rican Prince says:

            Well if this belief system of yours is what makes you happy then that is your choice. I have no desire whatsoever to badger you because of it. That is what you have chosen and you alone stand to inherit whatever it is you embrace. If “hell doesn’t appear so bad a concept” to you, then you need not worry about it or bother getting on forums that expresses another belief system different than yours. I don’t know anything about you but if there is one thing I know about the human condition at the age of 47 is that people have the capacity to change. Maybe you will, maybe you won’t. I only truly wish that you knew what it is to have Jesus in your heart, your life and your soul. and know that His sacrifice was to Redeem us to The Father, Jehovah and provide us with eternal salvation from this life. The only analogy I could think of is mud that has been turned to gold and that comparison is incredibly hallow. I wish you the best and hope that at some juncture in your life the eggshell of your understanding is cracked wide open by the LOVE of Christ.

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          • this is just plain crazy, enjoy????

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      • Rite on again royal rican prince, you said it so well… The Lord Jesus is ready to forgive any and all sin, just confess and ask for forgiveness….its that simple.. don’t be proud, God’s government is coming to planet earth will wait and see

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  9. To Peter as stating ” I and my friends here do not give it a thought” then why are you even on this site? Obviously you give it quite a lot of thought. You Are absolutely entitled to your opinion, however I think your opinion is somewhat obtuse. I truly believe that people who sincerely do not think Christianity holds no truth or authority don’t really devote their time or their thought to arguing with those who do. If you truly were an atheist, you wouldn’t feel the need to argue against the existence of God. For example, I don’t believe in unicorns, therefore I don’t argue and debate their nonexistence…I just don’t give it any thought. I think that deep down, maybe you are not even aware of it, that you believe God does exist, but you are too angry at Him for multiple reasons. It is just like Hitchens and Dawkins…if you honestly believe this is false, boy you sure do exhaust a lot of energy talking about the unreal. Don’t be so angry and look at genuine, true Christians and you will find they are filled with joy, peace, hope, kindness, generosity…living in anger is not a way to live. And I can say that with authority because I was that person once.

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    • Peter Daynetree says:

      No LJ, your delusion is showing!

      Very few of the Christians here are full of joy, peace and love.
      Most of them are angry, bigoted, obsessive and easily upset.
      Evidently you haven’t been out experiencing Christianity in the real world.
      I have and found very few, if any of them filled with joy and love.
      I’m not angry at all, I’m at peace with the world and really don’t care about how Christians feel, because I was one of them for a long while, until I realized that it was all ever so false.
      The entire congregation was filled with anger filled delusional idiots.
      This site “Beginning and End ” itself is full of anger and irrational vilification of artists, movie stars, movies and script writers.
      I’ve never seen such angry rants in my life on irrational false concepts, such as the fictitious ‘Rapture’ which is a 20th century fabrication.
      It’s the anger of the writers and posters in this site that attracted my attention.
      I’m totally at peace with my beliefs.
      I’m just drawing the haters and irrational angry people on this site to another point of view that is gaining ground in the real world.
      Soon it will come to pass that Neurology will draw a global conclusion that all monotheistic religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) are nothing more than a result of thousands of years of temporal lobe malfunction sufferers confirming the hallucinations of previous sufferers with their own hallucinations.
      No anger there, just raising an issue now that will likely make the already very angry posters on this site even more angry in the near future.

      Cheers :D

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      • im not angry, could care less with what you say, not a bigot, and whatever… most of the world is bigoted, angry, hateful, loose, and just plain crazy, what about you??? You will never win–read the bible GOD and his Messiah wins….bye bye peter….

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    • why to go LJ, they are denying it which just goes to show you its true!!!!

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  10. Lee Chow Yee says:

    I really don’t think that this is such a bad movie. It humanises the Bible for non-Christians and can get them to actually read the Bible. This is merely a retelling of an old story, not some heretical doctrine promoting a new religious dogma. As entertainment, I’ll say we just enjoy the show.

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  11. Can someone please tell me where i might find a license to view this movie?

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  12. This article is completely idiotic and only emphazises the idea that christians are religous fanatics.. Not ONCE has this movie been marketed as a biblical adaption, it is a retelling. Taking such a famous “historical” person as Noah and revamping him and the story for a modern audience only benefits christians and the christian comunity as it will encourage people to read the real story in the bible and then, hopefully, keep on reading and being introduced to God. God wants us to take care of our environment and animals, thats what being a christian is about, caring. Wheter its for each other, animals or the environment doesn’t matter.

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    • Hi Chris,

      Being a Christian is about not going to hell. That was the reason Christ (whose namesake you have chosen for your comment) came to Earth – to save humanity from its sins. This world, and all of the environment are going to be destroyed.

      But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. – 2 Peter 3:10.

      it’s going to have an end. And there will be a new, much more pristine Earth to replace it. Jesus Christ came to make sure you will be a part of that New Earth. “Whosoever believeth upon the name of The Lord shall be saved.” – Romans 10:13.

      I hope you consider his offer.

      How To Get To Heaven

      http://beginningandend.com/how-to-get-to-heaven/

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      • Chad Furlong says:

        HA! Being Christian is not about ‘not going to Hell’. When we get so caught up in the afterlife, we forget about THIS life. We have a role here on Earth to our fellow humans and our environment. God made us to rule over the Earth. “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may RULE OVER the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” Genesis 1:26. As RULERS over the Earth it is our duty to preserve it. To obey God. The central message of the Gospel is that we have been saved from our sins by Christ’s death on the cross. But let’s not forget the LIFE he lived before that sacrifice. One in perfect relationship with The Father. Faithful service to our Creator and to His children alike. Getting to Heaven should be a result of our love for God and faithfulness to His Word and accepting Christ as our Lord and Savior. It should NOT be our focus to ‘make it to Heaven’. Focus on God and who He is and who you are in Him. The rest is finished and secured. Be Christ to His children. That is our charge.

        I hope YOU consider his charge.

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        • Chad, if you’re going to refer to the life of Christ as our guide, you might want to focus in a little more on what that life was about. I don’t remember too many references to preserving the Earth. NEVER ONCE did Jesus chastise anyone over ANYTHING about the misuse of resources or the danger of donkey emissions. IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE HUMANS. The souls of men. We are to be single-minded and focused on yielding 100% to God so that we can be useful to advance His Kingdom. God whipped the Earth together in a day and was done with it. You and I are still being created and recreated, the process of creation is focused ENTIRELY on us.

          And before you respond with something silly about me saying it’s fine to misuse and abuse the resources around us, stop. We were given brains and common sense. No Christian anywhere is going to advocate wanton destruction of the earth and all the beauty and innocence we find among our animal friends. But before you confront your neighbor over his bad environmental habits, maybe we should open up his eyes with the Light and the Word. The rest is easy.

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          • You asked if I was a follower of Christ, which I do consider myself to be. But if your question is whether or not I am an apocalyptic, then no. I don’t hold any particularly strong beliefs about the end times, and what that will entail. I think Jesus said very little about the matter (especially compared to John) and I don’t have any reason to believe that it will play out exactly as described in Revelation any more than I do that of any other eschatological vision. People have been arguing for centuries that their time is clearly the time described, and it hasn’t happened. And I am not convinced that our time is any more terrible than, say, the incredibly violent Dark and Middle Ages, so…… And even if it is, It’s never terribly clear what is to be done about it other than to “be prepared”, whatever that entails. So, I’m not looking for this film to tell me any more than what Arronofsky’s research has told him. After all, the Noah story isn’t likely the original anyway. The flood tale in Genesis is in all probability an edited, refashioned, remolded version of the same shared proto-deluge story told in the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Atrahasis Flood story. The 3 are widely considered to be outgrowths of a shared story passed down as the peoples grew apart. And barring some artistic license, it sounds like he has fleshed it out fantastically with the 3 traditions as well as the related Enochian literature. I am very eager.

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      • Richard Williams says:

        BEGINNING AND END –

        This is not Judaism. Jesus preaches salvation through HIM. He preached Himself, not the Old Testament and the Mosaic Law. He indeed started the Christian faith, which is centered on eternal life in Heaven through the atoning work He did on the cross. I have noticed in many comments you have made incorrect assertions about the Christian faith and have not once cited the Bible. Do you have any Scripture to support your claims? -B&E

        ( I know it’s not so why do mainstream christians always try and show some kind of connection between the 2 religions when NONE exist?? And your comment about Jesus starting the christian faith is ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!! Ask any bible scholar Jesus did NOT exist when chrisitanty was started he never met any christians,never read christian docrtine,never preached christian doctrine what your people have done is taken supposed oral traditions and STAMPED a christian label on them without any facts to bacck it up.You claim truth and authority from your new testament which was put together 300 yrs after your religion was formed so it has NO credibility at all concerning Jesus.And the reason I DO NOT quote YOUR bible is because I do NOT believe anything it says if you read my posts then you know I’m a GNOSTIC Chrisitan therefore I wouldn’t refer to your text for any support of my comments.The New Testament does not contain any truth about God,Jesus,Heaven or Hell if people like you would ACTUALLY take the time to study how the bible came to be you would know this, when I was a Baptist I took that time back in 1998 which is why I left New Testament Christianity and became a Gnostic in 2004 )

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  13. Well, a few points-
    Firstly, you make a lot of comments about things not being Biblical. But the Biblical account is so short on details that one could not make a movie about it.
    -You can’t say that the speculation about Noah’s occupation (healer, husbandman, herb-gatherer) is wrong. Firstly, being faithful is not an occupation, and secondly, the fact that he was chosen to deal with animals and that work with the land, agriculture and vineyards was his occupation after the flood mean that some previous knowledge is not a ridiculous proposal.
    -The details in the beginning of Genesis 6 are so sparse that certain study of extended Jewish tradition on the matter (Enoch, etc.) as well as related Sumerian and Babylonian flood material is warranted to flesh out the story. And as far as appearance, why can one not grant artistic license in the absence of details? After all, multiplicity (arms, faces, wings) is a theme in the angelic tradition.
    -Since God’s frustration is specifically with Man, and his command was to rescue animal-kind, the question of repopulation in appropriate measure is a fair one.
    -Questions about exactly how interactions with the divine happen are fair game. God speaks, but how?
    -Why should Noah not consult his grandfather, son of Enoch who, traditionally, is the most informed about cosmic matters and the angelic sphere (The nephilim being the primary origin of the problem). The watchers, and the nephilim are (according to Jewish tradition the teachers of the arts that lead to war and large scale abuse of that sort. Aranovsky may have taken a bit of artistic license, but not nearly so much as one might think. It is reasonable speculation, extrapolation, and historical/literature, contextual, contemporary relation being incorporated
    -The barren wasteland aspect is not that unBiblical. Owing to man’s sin (Cain, and his seed) the ground is unyielding, and this changes after the flood.
    In all, is it so unBiblical a thing to suggest that Man should act a good steward of the Earth? Is it so unBiblical to suggest that some crazy interactions with semi-celestial beings happened and complicated matters preceding the flood? And is it so strange to call a God homicidal if his main objective in the flood is to kill off (-cide) all men (homo-)? The plain fact is, in the case of the flood, God is expressly homicidal. And THAT, if nothing else, is plainly Biblical.

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    • Chad Furlong says:

      You, sir, are one intelligent, open minded beacon in a sea of defensive ignorance. Thank you.

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    • why change the facts of Genesis? Noah’s sons were married men not children, they had wives that’s not in the movie, also what’s with all the snakes? Also the ark leaking? Come on!! All lies and does not need to be there…they want to twist the truth, make people think that God loves the earth and animals more than man…so people have no hope..

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      • Brad Jenks says:

        Firstly, these are not fact changes, mostly. They are speculative details. The Bible is by short on details, and no, you couldn’t make a movie out of only what the Bible gives. It would be 15 min long. I’m sure that there wasn’t music playing in the air either, but I bet you the movie has a soundtrack! And moreover, I bet you won’t mind. I don’t know about the snakes or the boat leaking, I will have to see that, but I am curious. As for the sons. I don’t know what they are dng with regard to wives, but the youngest of the boys playing his sons is 12 or 13 (the age that boys become men, according to Jewish tradition), so…. Don’t let your contemporary notions of adulthood inform your criticism, or you are just as guilty of that which you accuse the director of doing. And regarding God’s views on loving the world more than Men. In fact the Bible says God created the world, pronounced it “good”, indicating his pleusure with it, and then at the time of the flood, pronounced his displeasure with the world of men……. I think, in point of fact, it IS safe to say that at the time, he was more appreciative of the rest of his creation than he was of mankind.

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        • ok, just know I’m over this, whatever, I don’t need to be schooled about bar-bat mitzvah…okay? That riual wasn’t established in the time of noah–he was 500 years old so i think maybe his kids were MEN, not 12-13 years old.. when he built the ark, oh and I don’t have com temporary notions, yes God our creator loves his world and animals but he loves men women children far more… just because he destroyed the world with a flood does nt mean He does not love His Creation In His Own Image, we, people are far more important than the earth, animals etc… why can you not see and understand this?? Oh and your defence of saying the bible is too short, no it isn’t, you just need to read other parts that speak to the same thing…there is the build up to why GOD was sending the flood,,,.and how after the doors are closed its to late…
          Are you a believer in Jesus Christ? Follower of Jesus?

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          • Brad Jenks says:

            Well, I do happen to be a “follower of Christ”, as you put it. But I don’t really see how that is relevant to the question at hand. And yes, I’m aware that the Bar-Mtzvah was not around then, but it stands to my point that children were deemed “grown” far earlier than they are in this last century. And I still stand by what I said- Biblically speaking, he was pleased with his creation, barring what men had become, so he wiped them out. So, yeah, his love of his creation superseded his love of Man at that point. He wiped them out to start anew. My primary point was only ever this: you are taking objection to far too many points in this film as them being “unBiblical”, when they are not. They are points which a great many people, theologians, scholars, historians, etc could make very good arguments for. There may be a couple of points here or there. But not nearly so many objections as you seem keen to raise.

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            • Brad, I don’t think you fully grasp what the Scriptures are saying about the situation.

              11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth… 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.

              Now please tell me where it says all this stuff about how God was more interested in the environment and the animals, than He was about those lousy dirty rotten pollutin humans!!! Humanity was destroying themselves through constant warfare, just like we are today. They were using animal life in unnatural ways, just like we are today. And ya know, God pretty much kicked the Earth off its hinges and ripped apart this oh so fragile planet you and all the other pantheists obsess over so much. The earth is merely a stage for the central act of human history. It is ALL ABOUT HUMANITY. The animals and plants and layers of atmosphere are just decor. Nothing more. When it suits a purpose, He sets off a super volcano and sends the world into an ice age for a few years here and there, but the earth recovers. It is a planet full of huge impact craters and massive plate movements. Environmental disasters are just part of the process.

              If you’ve ever taken a gander and flipped to the end, you would notice that the earth is still intact and thriving, BEFORE the Tribulation. And THEN the environment is annihilated over the final seven years, by radioactive fallout and massive geothermal and astronomical cataclysms. The focus is the redemption of the human race, the souls and minds and hearts of US. And time is running out.

              We need to focus all our energy on crusading for the souls of men, not the rights of animals and saving the planet. Wake up!!! Understand the Word. Surrender to its will. And let the Spirit hit you with the force of a thousand billion suns and burn away the darkness!!!!

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  14. I would expect nothing less from Hollywood than to make Noah into a left-wing wacko. How stupid. The audience for faithful adaptions of Biblical texts is enormous. Mel Gibson made a FORTUNE from making The Passion. You would think Hollywood would at least want to cash in on this fact, but they simply can’t get over themselves and their misguided beliefs. Oh well. Their loss.

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  15. Chad Furlong says:

    Oh give me a break! You wrote an incredibly long article about a film that hasn’t come out yet. If it doesn’t rain in Noah’s world in the movie then don’t you think that would be due to God’s anger with humanity and our treatment of the planet? If they change the events or add more depth to the story I say it’s fine. Hollywood will not make a 100% accurate historical movie and it never has. The story of Noah is being told here people, and likely a version of it that some people need to hear, perhaps just to be introduced to the idea of God and The Bible. And an environmentalist undertone is NOT A BAD THING. You think that God is happy with the way we are treating this planet now? I have a hard time believing so. So if it has an additional message of obeying God and listening to His commands, how dare you condemn it on such grounds? I’m excited for this movie and the potential it has, and I’m disappointed in you.

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    • What most people are saying is its just as easy to make an accurate movie about Noah, the truth instead of fabricating this BS in with it, just like Satan does mix truth with lies, it puts the earth and animals before people as in they are more worthy than people…you see?? How dare you condemn them for just wanting accuracy? See how that works?

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  16. Brad, God knows when a sparrow falls to the earth, He knows how many hairs are on our heads, He says we are more valuable then many sparrow, He cares for them but for us more, yes our hearts are desperately wicked who can know it? But God does…its just like the Holiness of God, we treat Him in such a casual way, we are to fear Him, reverence Him, get down on our knees before Him…how many Christians do you know who say omg?
    I know a lot, and they say JC when frustrated, or overwhelmed … they go to church 3-4 days a week and twice on Sunday!! You know we are all about 25 to 35% right maybe in the interpretation of the bible, none of us have it right, that’s why all the disunity all the different branches, but that will change once the beginning of sorrows start, and the great trib…Elijah will return and tell us what to do (spirit of Elijah) I feel like the end of days is here, maybe 2020 it will officially start… watch the signs…God has a plan for those who believe, it will be a great exodus for the 21 first century…for those who stand firm to the end….

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    • Hi CLT. You absolutely NAILED it. Every word.

      The Spirit convicted me over my JC’s and OMG’s very recently. And the message was loud and clear. I AM THE LORD GOD OF ALL CREATION, WHO GAVE MY BLOOD AND CONQUERED DEATH FOR YOU. DOES MY NAME MEAN SO LITTLE TO YOU???

      I feel as though we are experiencing a convergence, a mass calling forth of every believer, to release ourselves of our wordly restraints and devote our lives completely to His Kingdom. Almost as though we registered for divine service upon salvation in the same way all men must register for Uncle Sam when they turn 18, and now He’s calling up the troops. I left for basic training a month ago and am almost fully trained and fit for duty in the Army of the Light. And morale here is at the highest level I’ve ever seen. Everyone is ready to grab the colors and charge headlong into battle, daring anyone and everyone to try and stop them.

      I have never once paid attention to the doomsayers, and usually mock them for being nutty. But all the sides are mobilizing for war, and it’s only a matter of time. WE are the embassadors of the One Most High. We must wear our colors proudly and without fear. Too many civilians are going to be in the crossfire. We must save them and remove them from harm’s way before it is too late.

      Fellow Warriors of Christ, Soldiers of Elohim and Adonai, Champions of Truth and The Most High, put on the full armor of God and follow me into the maelstrom. Come you closet Prayer Warriors, mothers and fathers and ministers of God. Christians! UNITE!

      The time is NOW my fellow Christians!!! WHO IS WITH ME???!!!!

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      • Whew! I feel like I just finished reading some C.S. Lewis! Those are lovely (If slightly disturbingly militaristic) sentiments. I get the whole good vs. evil, temptation vs. salvation thing. There are many slippery slopes out there. But God did give us brains, not just faith and “salvation”. It’s precisely things like the “JC”, “GD”, or “OMG” that unnerve me. It’s evidence of people failing to think. I’m not overly fond of those terms, but they are not blasphemy, merely vulgar. I don’t know what it is, perhaps an overly proud Anglophone culture that has allowed this to happen. I’m sure you wouldn’t object if I were to say “Oh my deity!”, “Allah dammit”, or “Savior Josh!” None of these, or the ones you listed are “The name of God”.
        Further, I never quite know what exactly people are expecting, or expecting they are to do in the face of some impending apocalypse. Is it just proselytizing? I mean, even if you do that, and someone tells you, “Thank you, I’ve been saved.” How can you know their heart? And how does one quantify “being saved” in terms of gauging the appropriate/expected effects of being “saved”on a person? Someone was once talking at me, at length, about being saved. I told her she was barking up the wrong tree to being talking to someone already in the broader family of Christendom, why not focus on someone outside, who presumably doesn’t know the “Good news”. It’s this weird idea that if someone doesn’t use our lingo, doesn’t look like us, act like us, or occasionally drops a word or behavior of which we might disapprove, we decide they aren’t saved. Well, that’s actually kind of a pompous, dick move. It might just convince me that you yourself aren’t saved. And in fact, there is very little about our lives and language that would be recognizable to the first Christians, so it is incredibly hard to tell what being saved would look like. And so we come back to one principle: Look at the fruit that is borne. Speaking for myself, I strive to be a thoughtful, considerate, loving, generous and studious person. Grateful for the gifts of God, making the most of them as often as my fallible self can muster. If (which I am not inclined to believe) this world starts to go bananas around me, or some End Times ensue……. I’ll just roll with the punches, because that’s the most that can be done.

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        • Hi Brad,

          Thanks for your comments, I wanted to address one thing you mentioned:


          ” Speaking for myself, I strive to be a thoughtful, considerate, loving, generous and studious person. Grateful for the gifts of God, making the most of them as often as my fallible self can muster. If (which I am not inclined to believe) this world starts to go bananas around me, or some End Times ensue”

          While many people espouse a philosophy like the one you expressed, what this “religion” really is, is self-deification. You are declaring what it is you feel you need to live a “good life” and then proclaiming yourself as qualified for eternal bliss or heaven or whatever good outcome you feel is waiting for you in the afterlife. In other words, you are God. This is the quintessential problem many people face today – the idea that a God, who does not take His cues from us, is actually going to judge us one day. It’s easy to call yourself “thoughtful, considerate, loving and generous” and I do not doubt that you act this way, but that does not mask your sin. That is what you are leaving out of the equation in your responses. What about YOUR SIN?

          Whether you believe the Bible or not, and let’s presume you do not, do you at least acknowledge that by Biblical standards, you are guilty of countless sins and stand judged before God and that when you die you would receive eternal damnation in hell and the Lake of Fire? This is the real issue the Bible is addressing – as opposed to “how we behave” in the general sense. So I am just curious as to how you see yourself from the Bible’s standards for eternal life in Heaven, or eternity suffering hellfire. I look forward to your response.

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          • You misunderstand me. That is not what I said at all. You missed the most important part – Looking at the fruit that is borne- Firstly, I am not simply living a philosophy. Secondly, my point about the fruit (and with respect to my own life’s fruits), was about the recognizing of the “saved”. The issue is that if any person in Christendom is living their life, demonstrating gratefulness to God by living charitably, lovingly, determinately, etc. How is that to be recognized as “saved” or “unsaved” compared to the life of any other kindly person? My issue is with the flawed concept of proselytizers determining who is saved and unsaved. How are they to be recognized?
            Moreover, I disagree with your notion of living a good life being a form of self-deification. I think that is a particularly weak premise, but that is beside the point.
            I’m not sure why you would presume that I don’t believe in the Bible. I’m not even sure what you mean by that, although I suppose I can guess. But as for my sinful state, sure, yeah, I’m guilty of some things. I disagree that they are countless. I think they are actually quite specific in number, and, upon my death, that number will no longer grow. And as for eternal Hell and Damnation and Lakes of fire. That is not something I have any particular belief in. I think that Hell, or the state of one’s soul that results in Hell, is a thing that is actually so far beyond our experience that all the imagery is simply an attempt to convey the despair. And as for “eternal life in Heaven”, that’s not a consistent Biblical notion. The actual consistent promise in the Bible is not Heaven, but rather Earth remade. The Bible has very different traditions of the afterlife and ultimate promise represented in the various books, so…. I am just going to trust that whatever is coming is gonna be more of an adventure than a fulfillment of anything I could ever predict or understand.

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  17. Don’t believe in the Bible, then who has cheated death lately?

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  18. Loved or hated, Jesus! Still the name above ALL names….there are those who believe & don’t believe, but His name is more known than any other name…just as God proclaims it is & always will be from generation to generation! Respectfully giving all the right to choose but lovingly encouraging a true look at the life of that very name…there’s just power in His name! It’s even used as a curse word!! Power! Enough power to change a human heart from the inside out. How do I know He’s who He says He is? Because I’m not the same me & that’s all the proof I need! God bless you all…and may those who wholeheartedly seek Him enjoy finding Him…bc He promises you will!

    Philippians 2:9
    Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,

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  19. I am disillusion with the lot. Its funny (not so) that some Christians rejoice at destroying (always think themselves above others, won’t be me destroyed!)) , GOD reduced to an dictator (like Greek Gods) for that is what a lot of you make. FACT – The Bible (not only) is full of murder, destruction like most religions revenge, written by man. Tribes, cities, people destroyed because they were evil the other side, how many use this as a excuse throuhout history (still do) – GOD told us etc. etc. I refuse to believe GOD punishes people forever, people who are good who are athesis etc. I believe in GOD but not your way. A child knowing steals a piece of candy and is punished – crime paid, but do you punished the child for lifetime? (eternity) that is not justice! And don’t give me this crap of GOD has a different way of looking at things and that is man’s rules -what a cop out. Justice is justice. I do believe however that punishment for bad things to suit the crime but not for ever and ever. A lot of you go on about power, love, the heart, forgiveness etc. but you should look in the mirror , you are holier than thou and really vengeful and lack what you think you got. You contradict yourself. Quote: In the beginning and end comment to Brad – ‘This is the quintessential problem many people face today – the idea that a God, who does not take His cues from us, is actually going to judge us one day. It’s easy to call yourself “thoughtful, considerate, loving and generous” and I do not doubt that you act this way, but that does not mask your sin. That is what you are leaving out of the equation in your responses. What about YOUR SIN? Well ‘ HEY HOW ABOUT YOUR SIN PREACHER? You don’t sound like a nice person after all with your comment to Brad. I would not want to spend an afterlife with your sort and a Hateful vengeful GOD sorry.

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    • “I would not want to spend an afterlife with your sort and a Hateful vengeful GOD…”

      God loves you enough to let you make that choice. How cool is that??

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  20. Speaking as someone from the UK who attends a very active and growing Pentecostal Church full of young people (quite an amazing thing in the UK), is it any wonder that people are moving away from God and not towards him when websites like this, react how they do to a film?

    You only have to look at ‘The Life of Brian’ and the ridiculous reaction the Church had at the time, calling for it to be banned in cinemas up and down the country to see the effect it has!

    The Church ends up looking absolutely stupid, because it takes itself TOO SERIOUSLY!

    A film which is now considered to be on the funniest and most liberating films still today!

    The only thing an article like this (online) will accomplish is pushing people away from God when they think “here we go again” or push more young Christians into the cinema because they will want to see what all the fuss is about!

    Would you rather Hollywood made absolutely NO films at all about God in the fear it may offend you and your select Christian friends?

    Should we ONLY allow Church organizations to make God films, which are then shown on obscure TV channels, at a low budget with bad acting and are embarrassing? Should all Godly themed films we vetted and have a stamp of approval from the Church before its broadcast in the cinema?

    I absolutely love the idea that Hollywood is now backing quite a few Godly films in 2013 and 2014, which will be seen by millions of people around the world and (regardless of their accuracy) will put a spark of curiosity into the minds of those people.

    And in regards to accuracy and the story of Noah… most Christians think God flooded the earth because Man was simply ‘Bad’ and don’t realise it was because of the contamination from Nephilim in the blood line and cross breading (I’m not a creationist).

    I think this film will actually do some good in educating about that!!

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  21. Helen Thomas says:

    And once again, the children of satan will define the WORD of GOD according to their standards. smh.

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    • Brad Jenks says:

      Be careful. Don’t just check your brain at the door and chant some pithy refrain, dismissing someone. I’m quite sure that such words as yours were said about Jesus and his disciples too.

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  22. “Oh, no! This made-up version of Noah isn’t the same as my Bible’s made-up version! I’m offended!”

    Lol!

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  23. Richard Williams says:

    JESUS native tongue was hebrew/aramaic seeing as how he was a jew he may have been able to speak greek but I assure you it wasn’t his main language and problem only spoke it when in areas where it was used.JESUS “Never” quoted the old testament because it did not exist when he was alive and never quoted any greek text either the old testament is a christianised version of the torah so jesus would not have used it or quoted it even if it was available at the time which it was not.Anything greek at the time would be associated with GREEK mythology PAGAN gods and beliefs which Yawheh forbid his people to associate with and something the christians embraced “catholicism” in an attempt to bring on more converts.JESUS never gave himself a greek name being jewish that would be ABSURD and revelations is in the new testament therefore it is not a valid source of information about jesus in fact nothing in the new testament is true about jesus because he never wrote,preached,taught from the new testament a book that was put together 300 yrs after christianity was formed and by that time jesus was long,long,long gone.JESUS never heard of chrisitanity or anything related to the religion it did not exist when he was alive

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  24. So let me get this straight, a movie about Noah is coming out that will open the door for true, meaningful conversations with non-Christians and you don’t want to see it (so you can correct the wrong points) and are upset that it’s not EXACTLY BIBLICAL?? Can you NOT SEE the opportunity that this film provides Christians???? Or are you guys the types of “Christians” that condemn and accuse others?

    SEE THE MOVIE! ENGAGE THE CONVERSATION! SPEAK THE TRUTH AND MAKE DISCIPLES! oh…and get over your self-righteous arrogance.

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    • Richard Williams says:

      It doesn’t matter who views this movie because it’s a lie there was no flood,no ark the story existed a thousand years before christianity took it and ran with it

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      • Hi Richard,

        Again, where is your evidence of Christianity taking the ark story from someone?

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        • Richard Williams says:

          Hi Richard,

          Again, where is your evidence of Christianity taking the ark story from someone?

          BEGINNING AND END –

          ( Why aer you guys so lazy?? can’t you find out this stufff for yourself?? Study up on the “Epic Of Gilgamesh” this flood story existed a thousand years before the one you have in your scripture )

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          • First off, the oldest fragment of the epic of Gilgagmesh dates back to the 18th century BC. The first give books of Moses date back to the 16th century BC. So I am not sure where you find a 1,000 year gap. Secondly, how does the flood account in Gilgamesh prove that Christianity “stole” the account of Noah and the ark? Again, do you have any historical source that says this? There are dozens of flood accounts in ancient civilizations that date back thousands of years. Perhaps the flood did indeed happen and different civilizations recorded it? Just something to consider.

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  25. Okay again, radical Christians will you give the poor film a chance to speak for itself? This is why the world is critical of us. If Hollywood want’s to produce more biblical stories then let them. The point is the stories are getting made and people that probably never even heard of the flood and Noah will get to be exposed to the story. The bible is NOT! and I repeat IS NOT for the saved only (That’s called Religion, what Jesus was total opposed of).

    Who are we to say we got the interpretation right as well? Just because you call yourself a christian and go to church doesn’t mean you got it right as well. Let Hollywood do their stuff, my hat off to Aronofsky for tackling this story, I wish the cast and crew well.

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  26. aged parent says:

    I’m somewhat puzzled. We are taking about a movie industry that hasn’t produced a true cinematic talent for well over fifty years and is quite incapable of making even a 30 second TV commercial satisfying, and an actor who is still in amateur-level class (a Paul Scofield he ain’t), producing a movie about a subject they are entirely ignorant of. What could possibly go wrong??

    I am puzzled as to why valuable cyber space is being wasted over such a non-event. No serious film fan could care a fig about such rubbish. If you wish to discuss movies, why not pick an older, better film to analyze, one that is not only made by artists and craftsmen but which can be both entertaining and edifying at the same time? There are so many gems to be mined from a truly great past.

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  27. Brahin Ahmaddiya says:

    It’s a movie.

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  28. Come on!!! Are you for real??? Crazy!!!

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  29. Randy Tidwell says:

    Thank you for the warning. I have come to not have expectations with anything coming from Hollywood. Regardless of how they gift wrap it.

    The reason I am commenting here is in regard to your refference to the Nephelim. This word appears twice in the Bible. Each time the Hebrew word used here translates to gaints. NOWHERE does angel come to reference. You are giving bad, incorrect information. Go back, do the word study, humbly correct your error.

    Also, you should no better than to teach poeple that angels had sex with humans and produced offspring. Seriously, are you even reading God’s word? Because it seems like the movie you warn about, you also have sold out to Hollywood.

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    • Hi Randy,

      As explained in our articles on the Nephilim, the term b’nai ha elohim (sons of God) only refers to angels in Scripture. So interpreting the sons of God in Genesis 6 to mean angels is 100% consistent with the language of the Bible.

      The term nephilim is not the real issue here. I assume we can agree there were giants in the Bible. The questions comes down to who are the “sons of God” in the passage in question. And the Bible, which defines itself by itself, seems to clearly indicate that they were angelic beings and not mere humans. I welcome your response on this though. God bless. -B&E

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      • Randy, how can the bible mean that angels married humans and had children. Jesus is very clear that there will be no marriage in heaven since we will be as the angels when in heaven, neither male nor female. If the evil angels could mate with human women, Satan would have his 1/2 breeds ruling this world with him. He would have had all his angels and himself trying to mate with every human woman possible to create this race. It is impossible for an angel to mate with anyone as they don’t have a sex of any king so how can they mate. You need to read that part of the bible again. The son’s of man=gentiles and the daughters of God are the Jews. Therefore I’d say it’s hard to find some one that is 100% Jew today. But if they are even partly Jew they are still God’s chosen people.

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  30. Sorry to jump in here, but you may want to look into The book of Enoch which most Christians aren’t aware of or refuse to acknowledge because the old Church removed it. It clearly tells a more detailed account of the fallen angels breading with human woman and contaminating he blood line with evil. Hence the flood.

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  31. You now what, the only reply I can make to that massive comment is this…

    …you are taking this all too seriously mate.

    God gave us free will to choose him or not. I’m
    Not exactly sure why you appear so objectionable to my faith system, but you are looking too much into something that is really simple.

    Christ wants us to love and respect each other and worship God as the one true God. It’s that simple. No pressure or forcing it. You choose and he will not hate you if you say no.

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    • Richard Williams says:

      God gave us free will to choose him or not. I’m
      Not exactly sure why you appear so objectionable to my faith system, but you are looking too much into something that is really simple.

      ( I couldn’t resist responding to this post because as usual Christians get it ALL wrong when it comes to free will he didn’t give it too us to choose him or satan he gave it as a gift to run our lives as we see fit which does NOT have anything to do with religious morals or biblical beliefs )

      Christ wants us to love and respect each other and worship God as the one true God. It’s that simple. No pressure or forcing it. You choose and he will not hate you if you say no.

      ( Christ doesn’t want anything from us and we definitely do NOT have to worship the christian gOD jehovah that’s the responsiblity of christians only because it’s their gOD and no one else has to acknowledge him also according to your religion if your gOD is rejected he won’t hate you cause he’s gonna make sure you suffer eternity for your choice but fortunately that isn’t true because the christians gOD only exist in scripture )

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      • So let me understand this…

        You are making the point that as human being we have “free will” which I agree with, and through that I choose to be a Christian and follow my faith, which has absolutely no impact on yourself and makes me happy.

        Yet you are trying to push you Agenda on me and other Christians (or faiths) by making constant remarks about how our God is not real?

        You do grasp the concept of a hypercit?

        If you believe so strongly in free will as humans, then why are you so determined to destroy our freedom to be Christians and follow that freedom of Will?

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        • Richard Williams says:

          Sir I think you got me confused with your version of christianity I’m a Gnostic Christian and just pointing out the flaws in New Testament christianity expressing my dislike towards it the same way your fellow new testment brothers and sisters do with atheist,gays,lesbians and other non-believers I’m not pushing any agenda Gnostics don’t go around spreading/preaching any gospel telling non-believers they need jesus and other bible related nonsense

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          • I think your’ missing the entire point I’m trying to make ‘Sir’.

            Why should it matter whether I’m this kind of Christian or that kind of Christian, or whether I believe this interpretation or that one?

            Why do you feel the need to point out any flaws at all in what I believe, or what anyone believes?

            I don’t make a habit of doing that and yet you are stereotyping me in some ‘group’ who does, just because I’m not Gnostic.

            I don’t care whether a friend of mine is Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Gay or Straight. If they are a good, decent person who lives a good life then great!

            I am secure enough in my own faith and beliefs that I don’t need to poke holes in what other people believe. I will have a debate or a discussion on it if they choose to raise the subject, but I won’t judge them or condemn them, or mock them (as you appear to do) because they dis-agree.

            You appear to take some pleasure or fun, or feel some kind of fulfillment in pointing out flaws and making others feel wrong and incorrect.

            Is it any wonder that so many people hate religion or spirituality or Church (what ever term you wish to use) when people like yourself spire on and encouragement argument just because the Christian next to you may not see it the same way.

            If we can’t co-exist together as Christians (and how can you call yourself an Gnostic Christian considering the name in the title) if we all just want to argue ourselves?

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      • Hi Richard,

        Thanks for your comments. As you may have already guessed, I respectfully disagree with much of what you wrote. Particularly your comment that Jesus did not “want anything from us.”

        “23 And [Jesus] said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” – John 8:23-24.

        Jesus Christ absolutely proclaimed Himself the way to salvation and avoiding eternal hellfire. And we are indeed to put our faith and trust in Him for the forgiveness of sin and eternal life.

        What text do you base your Gnostic beliefs on?

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        • Richard Williams says:

          BEGINNING AND END –

          “23 And [Jesus] said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” – John 8:23-24.

          Jesus Christ absolutely proclaimed Himself the way to salvation and avoiding eternal hellfire. And we are indeed to put our faith and trust in Him for the forgiveness of sin and eternal life.

          What text do you base your Gnostic beliefs on?

          ( You can disagree all you want but you have nothing to prove me wrong because anything you post from the New Testament cannot be trusted or seen as valid because Jesus NEVER wrote anything down,never preached or taught from the New Testament because it did not exist when he was alive and neither did christianity.In fact the New Testament was put together 300 yrs after christianity was formed so Jesus has absolutely NO ties to the christian faith.Jesus was JEWISH and followed the traditions of Judaism NOT christianity and his father YAWHEH “never” told anyone to write the new testament he chose his people the ISREALITES to write his word the TORAH and carry out his will regardless of what christians say about the jews being in rebellion or blinded by there own God from the truth which is PURE nonsense.In Judaism sin is NOT something that requires forgiveness through salvation of Jesus by accepting him as saviour as you know Jesus was NOT the messiah and never seen as God in the flesh by the jews so you guys cannot dictate what is right or wrong about jewish beliefs which have been around at least a thousand years LONGER then yours.We don’t have to put any faith in jesus ONLY New Testament Christians have to follow Jesus you cannot apply your beliefs on everyone thats’ not how it works just like you would NOT want muslims pushnig there beliefs on you why can’t you guys respect that of others?? )

          ( Gnosticism doesn’t have a specific doctrine that they adhere to like your particular faith does because Gnoticism follows a SPIRITUAL path while mainstream christianity follows a RELIGIOUS one.Gnosticism has text like the Gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Philip, the gospel of Mary and the Gospel of Judas now whether they are authentic or not is debatable but the same can be said of the Christian Gospels of Matthew,Mark and Luke)

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          • Hi Richard,

            With all due respect, your comment has a lot of incorrect points. I will just focus one main argument you put forth:

            “You can disagree all you want but you have nothing to prove me wrong because anything you post from the New Testament cannot be trusted or seen as valid because Jesus NEVER wrote anything down,never preached or taught from the New Testament because it did not exist when he was alive and neither did christianity.In fact the New Testament was put together 300 yrs after christianity was formed so Jesus has absolutely NO ties to the christian faith.Jesus was JEWISH and followed the traditions of Judaism NOT christianity and his father YAWHEH “never” told anyone to write the new testament he chose his people the ISREALITES to write his word the TORAH and carry out his will regardless of what christians say about the jews being in rebellion or blinded by there own God from the truth which is PURE nonsense”

            You can simply go to our article, Did Jesus Exist? Proving Jesus Without The Bible, to see links to copies of actual manuscripts from the 2nd century of the New Testament, which alone disproves your entire argument that Scriptures were not written until after 333 AD. Additionally, we have the writings of second century church fathers like Polycarp and Tertulian, who quote the New Testament in their writings. All again, before 333 AD. We also have the annals from the Roman historian Tacitus who wrote of Jesus being crucified by order of Pontius Pilate, confirming the Gospel account. Again, well before 333 AD.

            I already showed you through Scripture that Jesus preached belief in Him or eternity in Hell. And you have not addressed it. The Old Testament has hundreds of Messianic prophecies in it. There was never a question that the Messiah would come who would provide salvation. It’s just a question of who the Messiah is.

            You don’t have any academic or theological sources for any of your claims. Can you provide some?

            As for your Gnostic path, what is it? What is it that you believe?

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  32. Has it seemed strange to anyone else how people think evil angels can mate with human women and procreate? If the evil ones could do that they would have overtaken the human race by now. The bible is clear when it says there is no marriage in heaven as we will be like the angels, neither male now female. That would include the fallen angels since the only difference in them and God’s angels is the fact they are fallen. This just blows my mind that people actually believe this garbage. What the bible refers to is that the Jewish women married the gentile men and had children. It’s impossible for an angel to mate with a human woman and make a baby as the angels aren’t male or female so how can they mate with anyone?
    This movie sounds like typical hollywood garbage to me. I have no desire to see it since it’s not Christians making it or having anything to do with it. It’s like taking a class in Christianity and the bible taught by a Muslim. I hope they lose money on it. God is not going to sit still for those changing His word for much longer.
    Jesus is my Lord and Savior and I love Him more than anyone or anything else in this world.

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    • Sometimes I really am embarrassed to call myself a Christian when people spout such hostile and hateful comments…

      ” It’s like taking a class in Christianity and the bible taught by a Muslim. I hope they lose money on it. God is not going to sit still for those changing His word for much longer.”

      You talk about God and Christ being your Lord and Savior, as he is mine, yet you and so many others choose to ignore his main teaching to NOT judge others, yet you have all jumped down the throat the directors and producers of this film and condemned them.

      Do you seriously think our loving, caring God cares whether Hollywood creates a film (which are pure entrainment and not intended as factual historical school lessons) which may the odd detail if in the long run it draws people to the story and him?

      This film may not be accurate, but it will draw peoples attention to the story and its source at which point we (supposedly non-judgmental and loving Christians) will welcome these curious people into your Church’s and educate them.

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      • Richard Williams says:

        SNS –

        I think your’ missing the entire point I’m trying to make ‘Sir’.

        ( No not at all )

        Why should it matter whether I’m this kind of Christian or that kind of Christian, or whether I believe this interpretation or that one?

        ( Exactly so why do your fellow brothers and sisters behave this way on a daily basis towards non-believers and other christians like Catholics?? )

        Why do you feel the need to point out any flaws at all in what I believe, or what anyone believes?

        ( The same reason New Testament chrisitans feel the need to CONSTANTLY point out issues they disagree with like atheism,gays-lesbians,abortion etc… if they can do it then why can’t I if they can dish it out they should be able to take it )

        I don’t make a habit of doing that and yet you are stereotyping me in some ‘group’ who does, just because I’m not Gnostic.

        ( My apologies I just responded to some of your posts about Jesus which are the same beliefs they share so if you are not like your christian counter-parts so I might have come off a little harsh )

        I don’t care whether a friend of mine is Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Gay or Straight. If they are a good, decent person who lives a good life then great!

        ( The thing I have an issue with is when christians say how everyone needs jesus for salvation which is a lie or they need to seek him out )

        I am secure enough in my own faith and beliefs that I don’t need to poke holes in what other people believe. I will have a debate or a discussion on it if they choose to raise the subject, but I won’t judge them or condemn them, or mock them (as you appear to do) because they dis-agree.

        ( I can mock them all I want I don’t adhere to any biblical standards like they do plus they do it on a daily basis so I can give them a taste of there own medicine which I DO in MANY christrians forums and discussion boards )

        You appear to take some pleasure or fun, or feel some kind of fulfillment in pointing out flaws and making others feel wrong and incorrect.

        ( No I just feel it’s necessary to point out the flaws and deception in New Testament christianity especially when it comes to God,Jesus,gays,lesbians and sin and the many other things they constantly preach about to non-believers )

        Is it any wonder that so many people hate religion or spirituality or Church (what ever term you wish to use) when people like yourself spire on and encouragement argument just because the Christian next to you may not see it the same way.

        ( No one hates spirituality just religion because of it’s rigid rules,demands,commands and unrealistic expectations and scare tactics )

        If we can’t co-exist together as Christians (and how can you call yourself an Gnostic Christian considering the name in the title) if we all just want to argue ourselves?

        ( Well apparently thats the problem with New Testament Chrisitans they CAN’T co-exist peacefully wtih non-beleivers they are always putting down islam,atheist,gays,lesbians and try and shove jesus down everyones throat totally disrespecting mankinds free will to choose what they want to believe so since they have an agenda so do i to EXPOSE the deception,arrogance,ignorance and bigotry of New Testament Chrisitanity )

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        • I can completely understand the desire to give-as-good-as-you-get on the internet and in forums, but (as I’m sure you’re aware) most people on the internet tend to be in the extreme-range of opinions.

          I’m sure if you sat down over a coffee, and had a nice debate or talk with other Christians who aren’t Gnostic (not that I class myself as any real type) you would find they don’t all want to push an agenda and convert forcefully.

          Obviously (as part of my reading) I have found that we are called upon to Evangelize, but there are so many ways to do that which don’t include force-feeding, or pointing our flaws, or condemning.

          But even then, I don’t actively try to Evangelize anyone, but I know friends who do.

          As an example, we were in the pub last night after Church and a good friend got into a LONG talk with two lads at the bar.

          We were all sat there thinking “Oh no!” because it could have gone very badly and ended up with a brawl in these two lads weren’t receptive. It was all fine, but I personally don’t believe in trying to convert people in that fashion because these two lads were out for a drink and not to be preached at.

          But my friend is a well-meaning person who has seen his life change and just wants to share that.

          I personally hope that my behavior and actions are enough to speak for how God has impacted me.

          But don’t judge all Christians by the words and actions of people on the internet, because its like judging all Muslims because a tiny few abuse their faith. I have great Muslim friends who I consider Brothers and respect them a lot.

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          • Richard Williams says:

            I’m sure if you sat down over a coffee, and had a nice debate or talk with other Christians who aren’t Gnostic (not that I class myself as any real type) you would find they don’t all want to push an agenda and convert forcefully.

            ( I know all christians don’t behave this way just Baptist,Pentacostal and Evangelicals)

            Obviously (as part of my reading) I have found that we are called upon to Evangelize

            ( I understand that but who called you guys to evangelize?? Not Jesus cause he was jewish and christianity didn’t exist when he was alive so who ever he was speaking to about spreading the gospel not one christian was there to hear it )

            But don’t judge all Christians by the words and actions of people on the internet, because its like judging all Muslims because a tiny few abuse their faith. I have great Muslim friends who I consider Brothers and respect them a lot.

            ( I don’t judge all christians mostly just Evangelical,Baptist and Pentacostals they are the ones that give Christianity a bad name and my behaviour towards them is NOT just based on internet actions it’s based on ,news,media,public,personal,tv,internet environments where these folks aer always expressing there concerns,prejudices,dislikes,distastes and judgments )

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  33. This story is ridiculous in the Bible and will no doubt be ridiculous on screen. So, close enough!

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  34. Thank you for writing this article. I am glad to be aware of and pass along the truth that this movie is blasphemying God’s Word. There is one thing in your interpretation of the Word I do not agree with. I understand there were nephlim, I just dont agree they were offspring of Spirit beings and Flesh beings coming together. It is my understanding that the sons of man were decendants of Cain, while the sons of God were decendants of Seth. Where the giants came from I am not sure. That info is not given.

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    • It may be worth taking a look at the Book of Enoch, which some Christian’s are either not aware of, or choose to ignore because the Church removed it centuries ago for some reason. It fills a lot of the blanks in about what you mentioned.

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      • Book of Enoch is not credible. What ever is written is all man made.
        all we need is God’s words contained in the bible.
        Dwelling in God’s love and words will reveal revelations about confusing stories in the bible and some hard teachings.

        but what Christin said is right. Sons of God are humans and not angels. Angels are not messengers.
        ANgels who were banished and followed angels, why would Moses even call them “sons of God” when they already left their position?

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        • Why is the Book of Enoch any less or more credible then any of the books in the Old or new Testament?

          It was the Church, centuries ago, who decided it should be removed!

          “What ever is written is all man made”

          I’m a Christian and love Gods word, but even I can accept the hypocrisy in that statement and the irony.

          Athiest will and do say exactly the same thing about the bible, and yet you would stand up and give your life to defend it… but because the Book of Enoch doesn’t suit an agenda or creates a few little bits of miss-information which the Church can’t explain, so its removed to make life easier.

          You either accept all scripture, or none at all!

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      • “It may be worth taking a look at the Book of Enoch, which some Christian’s are either not aware of, or choose to ignore because the Church removed it centuries ago for some reason. It fills a lot of the blanks in about what you mentioned. “

        Hi SNS,

        Thanks for your comment. I’ve read many of your comments in this thread and I’ve noticed there is very little evidence offered. Can you direct me to your evidence that the “church removed” the Book of Enoch from the Bible? What is your source in saying this?

        The book of Enoch is pseudepigrapha, meaning that it was not written by Enoch. The author(s) just used his name. It was written thousands of years after Enoch was translated and was never a part of the Old Testament cannon. So I am not sure as to how you arrive at your conclusions. But I am curious to know. -B&E

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        • Hi and thank you for asking that.

          To be honest, I have no evidence and I don’t pretend to be an expert on the subject. I mainly go by internet sources and the odd bit of reading here and there.

          I have no doubt you are more well-read then I am and I trust you know what you’re talking about, but I just personally find it hard to understand how we as Christians, can so easily dismiss one book and yet accept all the rest, especially when one book appears to fill a lot of the blanks in.

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          • Hi SNS,

            Thanks for responding and I appreciate your honesty. As I said earlier, the Book of Enoch was not written by Enoch. It was never considered a divinely-inspired book. As such, it would not make much sense for it to be given consideration as a book of the Holy Bible. All of the books of the Bible were written by men who were in direct interaction with God and wrote under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

            I would also consider that the book of Enoch contradicts the Bible in certain areas. For example in the book of Enoch angels build the ark and God tells Noah to go pick it up. In the Holy Bible, God gives Noah specific instructions, materials and dimensions for the ark and told him to build it. So at that point, there is no way we can give credence or equal weight to a book that was not divinely-inspired, not written by Enoch and runs counter to the Bible itself. -B&E

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          • there you go brother.
            going around the internet getting deceived by people while you think it’s true.
            Brother please just stick to what we have “the bible” and not other books.
            while I was searching online, not only did I found book of enoch but I found book of Mary, Judas and others. these are all man made.
            Why the hell would they even keep diary of the events, these people don’t even have the thought in their mind to keep a journal on all these events.

            it was the holy spirit that prompted many people to write the bible and remember things of past event.

            But at least brother you seem to be on the right track in knowing the bible and understanding God’s nature.
            when you first accept that bible is not word of God but contains God’s words (which you have), you will overcome the barriers in the bible and get to know more of God’s true nature.

            And there is no hypocrisy or irony in my statement.
            I too have been looking at your past comments and it seems you love to judge others judging people. (doesn’t make sense right?)
            well you point fingers at people judging while you do the same:/

            you don’t need to be the FIRST one to point fingers at someone judging. Let the Holy Spirit do that.

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    • Christin you are on the right track.
      sons of god are children of God who call on the name of the Lord, they are not angels.
      Many are so deceived and misunderstood about Genesis 6, they all think it’s angel.
      when it makes no sense that angel cannot lay with humans.
      “they gave up their position” means the angel left heaven to follow satan.

      The giants are Seth’s descendants who still had the inheritance powers of God, over the years the powers were fading away.
      The only thing man lost in the garden was sight of seeing God, blessings and priest/kinghood.
      The knowledge, strength and powers were still there.

      my comment is old, and now I don’t even care about my comments.
      Let the movie come out, it doesn’t matter.
      We need to look up to Jesus not Noah or old testament.
      In fact I would even like to see this movie myself because what I saw in the trailer impressed me.
      even the Bible series were interesting to watch too.

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      • Hi Xino,

        I wanted to comment on one point you made:


        “The giants are Seth’s descendants who still had the inheritance powers of God, over the years the powers were fading away.”

        How did you come to this conclusion? -B&E

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        • first of all.
          Angels are not called sons of God, for they are created beings and they are messengers.
          People who worship God are called and considered sons of God. Angels cannot reproduce.
          Also there is a loopline because if God wiped away all life on earth, how were still giants today?
          Saying one of the wife had a seed is wrong and over speculation.

          During Seth’s time (Enosh’s time) was when people began to call on the name of the Lord, because they called on the name of the Lord was why they are considered the sons of God.
          Genesis 4:26
          “26 To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord.”

          Seth’s line are blessed and also the powers of God from Adam had not fully faded away from his lineage.
          All Adam and Eve lost in the garden was the sight to see God, their spiritual state and king state. The powers of God was still in effect because God made Adam in his image, therefore we don’t know what age Adam was.
          This is why humans were so knowledgeable.
          It doesn’t make sense how Cain was cast away from the family and he build his kingdom later. Because of the powers of God was how he was able to achieve this.

          Cain’s family line did not worship God but dwelt more in sin, though Seth’s family line were more righteous. So it is more apparent that the godly state powers was still in effect with Seth’s family line and not with Cain’s line.
          Cain’s line and Seth’s line married together which formed a genetic disorder, hence their children becoming giants.

          How do we know the powers of God were fading away from them? it is by age. You can see all these people living up to 400 years, 600 years and 900 years. So how come we are not living up to those age before?
          And God saying his spirit will not contend with humans for 120yrs has nothing to do with man age.

          Assuming angels slept with women is completely blown out of proportion (as I used to believe this theory). Also if you read Jude and Peter’s letters talking about the fallen angels, both did not mention what they did, they just said they left their position and followed Satan. If the angels really did jizz inside the women, they would have said so in their letter.

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          • Hi Xino,

            I want to address a point you made:

            “Angels are not called sons of God, for they are created beings and they are messengers.”

            How do you interpret these passages?

            6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?” – Job 1:6-8.

            Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. 2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. – Job 2:1-3.

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            • I knew it someone will quote that Job 1 on me, reason why i left it out.
              but i’ll explain it.

              Sons of God are people who believe and worship God.
              Sons of god (people) came to present themselves, kinda like worshipping God.
              Satan who is known as the Accuser arrived to accuse Job.
              If you think the sons of God are angels, then tell me were the angels came to present themselves. And how did Satan follow them to wherever they go to present themselves to God? It can’t be from heaven because satan is banished.

              Do you also want me to provide you scripture passages that shows God worshippers are sons of god too? Because so far I just explained but haven’t provided any scriptures.

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    • Hi Christin,

      Thanks for your comments. I respect your viewpoint and have heard it before. I would just ask: where in the Bible are we told that Seth’s sons and Cain’s daughters had children together? What in Scripture are you basing this on? God bless. -B&E

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  35. Lol that made me chuckle because I go to a Pentecostal Church! ;)

    I think the crunch here is that I believe in the teachings of the new testiment… Which I could quote but I’m half hung over!

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  36. … Someone needs to seriously educate people how to evangelise and spread the word of God. That lad (an atheist) just a said Christ sounds like a cool guy with good ideas, and how did you respond?

    With over the top, burn-in-hell style bible bashing?

    You need to learn how to speak to non-believers!!

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    • Richard Williams says:

      Someone needs to seriously educate people how to evangelise and spread the word of God. That lad (an atheist) just a said Christ sounds like a cool guy with good ideas, and how did you respond?

      With over the top, burn-in-hell style bible bashing?

      You need to learn how to speak to non-believers!!

      SNS –

      ( I’m glad I saw this post because this is exactly what I was talking about concerning what’s wrong with New Testament Christianity this kind of behaviour that you have pointed out goes on ALL the time with a LARGE percentage of christians NOT all but entire denominations like the ones I’ve mention to you before. I applaud you recognising this but the problem is I “RARELY” see this from chrisitans that do not behave as they do by NOT being judgemental and critical of non-believers and prefer a more rational/loving approach.But the irrational approach seems to DOMINATE mainstream christianity in many forms.Sometimes it’s very arrogant,rude and obnoxious and sometimes it’s more subtle but still maintains the same concept of fear,judging,preaching and coersion. )

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      • No worries, I’m glad I can show a different side to it.

        But I can only speak the perspective of someone in the UK who attends a ‘Hillsong’ style Church in the Northeast of England, when trying to assure you that all the Christians I know have the same attitude I do.

        I don’t know any Christians in real life who would respond to a non-believer in the above fashion.

        Its honestly shocking in my view.

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        • Richard Williams says:

          SNS –

          But I can only speak the perspective of someone in the UK who attends a ‘Hillsong’ style Church in the Northeast of England, when trying to assure you that all the Christians I know have the same attitude I do.

          ( Well of course they do because Chrisitans seem to have what I call “CLICKS” meaning that within the chrisitan religion they only associate with christians that share the EXACT same views,here in America not only do chrisitans argue with atheist and other non-christian religions but quite often they argue with other christians of different denominations over scriptural interpretation.)

          I don’t know any Christians in real life who would respond to a non-believer in the above fashion.

          ( Well I don’t know how it is in England but in America this stuff occurs on a DAILY basis in fact this behaviour happens MORE often then the kind of behaviour christians like you display a softter,kinder,gentle more respectable approach.Even though Catholicism is the LARGEST christian faith here in the States Evangelical and Baptist are the MOST “Vocal” always in your face,media,internet,TV all forms of social media etc… judging,cricising,complaining)

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          • “Well of course they do because Chrisitans seem to have what I call “CLICKS” meaning that within the chrisitan religion they only associate with christians that share the EXACT same views,here in America not only do chrisitans argue with atheist and other non-christian religions but quite often they argue with other christians of different denominations over scriptural interpretation.”

            Not really… we don’t have that kind of Christian Click thing here either.

            Every Christian I know, actively has lots of atheist friends, most of which are usually quite open to discussing the differences in what we believe.

            We’re actively taught that we should make the effort to hang out with non-Christians, otherwise how will you impact each other and learn?

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            • Richard Williams says:

              Not really… we don’t have that kind of Christian Click thing here either.

              Every Christian I know, actively has lots of atheist friends, most of which are usually quite open to discussing the differences in what we believe.

              We’re actively taught that we should make the effort to hang out with non-Christians, otherwise how will you impact each other and learn?

              SNS –

              ( Well I don’t doubt you one bit but in the States this is NOT the case after starting in the Middle East Christianity spread to Europe FIRST befoer coming to America and when it came here it had all kinds of problems which American Christians made WORSE you won’t find Evangelical,Baptist or Pentacostals associating with Atheist pastors preach against it and they use the bible where it states you should be “equally yolked” whcih you may or may not be aware of but this is STRICTLY followed in America when christians have friends,girlfriends or spouses.Disucssions like you mention aer very nasty over here and are rarely civilised or respectful because either the atheist get pissed off by arrogant,ignorant comments by christians or atheist say things that piss of the christians)

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  37. Martin Wagner says:

    I imagine that Clash of the Titans probably isn’t faithful to the beliefs of the ancients who worshiped the Olympian gods.

    It would appear the only problem is that some people still haven’t worked out that the Noah story is a myth as well.

    Even superhero comic book fans who complain that a certain movie doesn’t properly follow series canon are smart enough to know it’s all made up anyway.

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  38. SNS do you believe God wants His word distorted and changed like this? I do not think so. How are people going to be drawn to a lie? They are not. That is the problem with the world, they accept lies as the truth. We need to be telling the world the truth and not a pack of lies that will make them think God is something He is not. I am not judging anyone else, I am judging the film that was based on a story in the bible. And as far as what I said about the bible class, how can a non Christian explain the bible? They can’t as the bible is spiritually discerned and without the Holy Spirit it’s just another book when you read it. So a class by a non Christian would be teaching the word from a worldly view and not as God intended us to study it. I don’t want to see anyone make money on lies especially when they are about my Lord’s word. They are wrong and will receive their just punishment in time, unless they repent and be saved.

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    • Hi, forgive me for saying this.. but how do you know whether God would or would not like this Noah film?

      Did Christ himself not tell the Pharisees that they were taking the Jewish traditions and laws too seriously, to a degree that they denied many people access to God or punished them harshly or without reason?

      When asked what the most important law is, did Christ himself not super-seed his fathers laws and say it was more important to love one-another and worship God as the one true God?

      Do I think God honestly cares about an artist taking artistic license with ‘Noah’ to bring it to the big screen and the cinema… no I don’t!

      Do you think God wants his children to be posting such hateful and judgmental comments all over the internet about a person who has hurt no one and intended to hurt no one?

      I’m not suggesting you or anyone other Christians are bad people, but you are honestly taking this entire thing too seriously.

      I attend a church in the UK which has a congregation of around 300 people and most of those are young adults between 15-30 (which is amazing). Almost all of those youth are EXCITED for this film and posting on Facebook about the trailer and how great it looks!

      Most of those people, including myself, were not alive the last time Hollywood invested money to make a full-blown Christian film. Yet people like yourself want to take that away??

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  39. Richard Williams says:

    CAROLYN COCHRUN –

    The Tora was written by Moses so how could it not be available in Jesus time. He did speak on it in the temple when ever He spoke in the temple. And if he never referenced the Ot where did He get the 10 Commandments from that He spoke about? The bible is the Word of God and even though it’s been revised over the centuries, it’s still The Word of God as God wanted us to have it. Stick to the older versions and not the modern translations that are messed with by man and you will get it right. It’s sad how many call themselves Christians and don’t even believe God’s word. Also He knew that He was the Christ and Christianity did exist upon His death and resurrection and He knew that was going to happen and what the result would be. You say Jesus was long long gone before Christianity was formed and that is saying He isn’t here now. He is here now and is not gone at all, if you are truly a Christian He lives within you with the Holy Ghost-the third part of the deity of God. You better get your facts straight before you tell the world the bible isn’t true.

    ( I never said it wasn’t but the OT is not part of the jewish faith they do not recognize your christianised version of the Torah which is why it was never included in the books of moses and which bible is the word of God?? New Testament or Torah?? let me help you with that the Torah is the word of Yawheh and the New Testament is the word of Jehovah your God now let me clarify so you understand Yawheh is the ONE true God and NOT one of three like with your Trinity God in christianity,Yawheh never became a man,never died on a cross and doesn’t have an enemy called satan and NEVER told anyone to make a new covenant under the christian faith.Who told you that christianity existed when Jesus died?? that is a lie it’s common knowldege among bible scholars that chrisitanity did NOT exist when jesus was alive or when he died in fact they didn’t start writing about him until about 40-70 yrs after his death chrisitanity was formed 600 yrs after Judaism and your christian text was put together 300 yrs after your religion was formed in the 1st century so please tell me how chrisitanity was around when jesus died.If Jesus is here now where is he?? Oh I know in your New Testament waiting for the right time to appear for his second coming do you know that in judiasm there is no such thing as a second coming?? the messiah appears ONCE and only ONCE whicch is one of many reasons why Jesus is NOT the messiah to the jews the main one being that he NEVER fullfilled the JEWISH requirements for messiah the christian ones do NOT count. And as far as facts aer concerned everything you just posted is seriously LACKING in the facts department christians aer not the experts on Jesus,Judaism or the Torah it’s so disrespectful how you guys always put down the jews as being incapable of interpreting there own scripture,being in rebellion,blinded by Yawheh from the truth about jesus,needing to accept him as saviour and all other sorts of nonsense.Yawheh chose the jews as his people to write his word the TORAH and you won’t find any jewish text that says he decided to go with chrisitanity because the jews were defiant/rebellious thats just christians spreading lies about the jewish faith)

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    • There are many Jews that believe the truth of Jesus and I never said the Jews can’t understand their own scripture and I never put them down for anything. They are God’s chosen people and Christianity is a continuation of Judaism. It’ not a new religion. It doesn’t matter how you view it, I’ve read God’s word and I know what it says. I also understand it much better than you might think. I also know that one sect of Jews know who Jesus is and one of their Rabbi’s has reported that he has searched the scriptures and has found the Messiah. Which means He has already been here and that Messiah is Jesus. Believe what you want and I will continue to believe God’s word and the truth.

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      • Richard Williams says:

        CAROLYN COCHRUN –

        There are many Jews that believe the truth of Jesus and I never said the Jews can’t understand their own scripture and I never put them down for anything. They are God’s chosen people and Christianity is a continuation of Judaism. It’ not a new religion. It doesn’t matter how you view it, I’ve read God’s word and I know what it says. I also understand it much better than you might think. I also know that one sect of Jews know who Jesus is and one of their Rabbi’s has reported that he has searched the scriptures and has found the Messiah. Which means He has already been here and that Messiah is Jesus. Believe what you want and I will continue to believe God’s word and the truth.

        ( So what?? Messianic Jews were Orthodox jews LONG before christianity was created so at one time ALL jews followed the torah and judaism so just because a small group splintered off and started another relgion about Jesus doesn’t mean they all of a sudden obtained truth or special knowledge and took it with them while leaving ALL of there jewish brothers and sisters in the dark.And I was not talking about you personally I was refering to the MANY times I’ve encountered christians in public,chatrooms,forums and message boards and they all say the same damn thing when I bring up the jews “in rebellion”, “missed the signs of the messiah”,”blinded by god from the truth about jesus”,”will accept jesus once he returns or else” so thats what i mean by those comments because basicallly YOUR fellow brothers and sisters are implying that the jews aer NOT capable of understanding there own text and when i bring up specific things about the torah they are always putting blame on the jews for not accepting,understanding or knowing everything that christians say about jesus that your people claim is CLEARLY stated in jewish text which it is NOT.This of course is BALONEY!!! The reason the jews reject jesus as messiah or god in the flesh is because NONE of this is mentioned in any of the hebrew text.What happen is your christrian ancestors. misinterpreted,mistranslated,changed,altered jewish text when it was translated into other languages and the worse was done in the translation to english.And for your information Christianity is NOT a completion,continuation,fullfillment or addition to the jewish faith Judaism was complete as well as it’s scripture when Yawheh chose them and had them write his word the Torah NO where in any jewish text will you find any writings about Yawheh wanting another religion or doctrine to complete what he started with the jewish faith.I don’t wanna hear your chrisitan nonsense about any Rabbis that supposedly found your CHRISTIAN messiah that is B.S. like I said Messianic jews don’t have any authority,special knowledge or connection with Yawheh OVER ALL of the jews that follow torah and reject jesus.If the God of Isreal wanted your religon to carry out his will and spread the GOOD NEWS about Jesus he would have started with Christianity from the very beginning remember God is ALL KNOWING so he would have known BEFORHAND if the jews were gonna fail him,disobey him or rebel against his will so it makes no sense for him to start with Judiasm then 600 yrs later start christianity after the jews have been following the beliefs of the hebrew bible for at least a thousand years.That would be like telling his people “by the way you must now convert to christianity and follow my son who is the messiah sorry i didn’t inform you of that in the beginning my bad” YEAH RIGHT!!! )

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  40. oh, who the hell goes to the movies to see the book?

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  41. Gus:
    This trailer looks great … graphics are cool and the acting top notch… let’s not be too hard on it…. God will use it for His glory….

    Gus is the only person on the thread who makes any damn sense.

    Believers sound so stupid to me when they rail against a movie with an environmental message. How did the left and Hollywood get the corner on that issue? Urban materialist are also tree huggers and conservatives hate conservation. Explain that to me! Right? Then the writer goes on about how righteous Noah was and what a hippie loser he is in the movie. Is the writer’s definition of righteousness that he watches all the right movies and avoids the evil entertainments of these evil evil people who are so generically rated R evil that they must be destroyed? Does it bother me that Noah plans infanticide? Sure, but the reasoning is compelling. God was grieved that he had made MAN on the earth, and it was MAN that fell. Animals at least do what they’re supposed to. Why does loving Jesus or Yeshua or whatever dictate a disdain for organized protection and stewardship of the environment. Do you really think I you’ve done all that is important by not littering or buying fur coats? Christians, while you’re on this earth, you’re responsible for it. Get over yourself!

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    • Hi Lou,

      The article has nothing against protecting or preserving the environment whatsoever. I am curious as to how you conclude this? The point of the article is to point out the very blatant and intentional distortions of the Biblical account.

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      • I will take back the first part of my comment. Brad had a lot of good things to say.
        But referring to the article: the first paragraph warns that this film has an agenda other than complete faithfulness to God’s word. Here are some of the pieces that are bug me:
        “It’s about environmental apocalypse which is the biggest theme, for me, right now for what’s going on on this planet. So I think it’s got these big, big themes that connect with us. Noah was the first environmentalist.” – Darren Aronofsky (source).

        (Here the writer presents damning evidence that the makers present Noah as an environmentalist)

        Hollywood writer and director…was disturbed by its story:
        “Having got a chance to read an undated version of the script for Noah I want to warn you. If you were expecting a Biblically faithful retelling of the story of the greatest mariner in history and a tale of redemption and obedience to God you’ll be sorely disappointed. Noah paints the primeval world of Genesis 6 as scorched arid desert, dry cracked earth, and a gray gloomy sky that gives no rain – and all this, caused by man’s “disrespect” for the environment. In short, an anachronistic doomsday scenario of ancient global warming.” (source)

        (So now we have some other guy complaining that it isn’t faithful cause it’s just a global warming rehash. And what makes Noah the greatest mariner? He had nothing to run into. That interpretation is much more aggravating!)

        Godawa’s review of the script also falls in line with the Noah graphic novel that Aronofsky co-authored in 2011 in advance of the movie. Below is the synopsis of the novel:
        ‘It was a world without hope, a world with no rain and no crops, dominated by warlords and their barbarian hordes. In this cruel world, Noah was a good man. Seasoned fighter, mage and healer but he only wanted peace for him and his family. Yet every night, Noah was beset by visions of an endless flood, symbolizing the destruction of all life. Gradually, he began to understand the message sent him by the Creator. He had decided to punish the men and kill them until the last. But he gave Noah a last chance to preserve life on Earth… ‘(source)
        Rather than follow the Biblical account, Aronofsky is taking the story in his own direction to suit his own environmentalist agenda.

        (Not a whole lot of info here. The comic book provides more fodder the environmental condemnation.)

        So thanks for the question. You can look at the comments and See that most people are more alarmed by the political agenda of the movie than what it really sAys about God and man. I know that the majority o environmentalists have serious issues and massive hypocrisy. Why do the people who see no life for themselves passed this short existence get so worked up about the health of mother earth and the fair treatment animals? I can’t follow the logic of either side. But again. This article has a huge problem with Noah being an environmental fable. I’d rather see that than Jesus Christ desperately shoe horned into every Christian production. Makes him look like Porky Pig.

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        • Hi Lou,

          The reason why this article has a “huge problem with Noah being an environmental fable” is because the Biblical account is not an environmental fable. If they said Noah was a great musician or a military leader and warrior (which is subtly implied in the film by the way), I would have the same objection. The bottom line is that it is an intentional rewrite of the Biblical text. And making a film like this is Arnonofsky’s right and prerogative. He is free to do what he wants and express himself through film however he likes. And I am equally free to critique his work and warn Christians who may see a commercial and think this film is Biblical, that it is definitely not. The environmental agenda in the film is really not relevant to the thesis of this article.

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  42. Richard Williams says:

    BEGINNING AND END

    You can simply go to our article, Did Jesus Exist? Proving Jesus Without The Bible, to see links to copies of actual manuscripts from the 2nd century of the New Testament, which alone disproves your entire argument that Scriptures were not written until after 333 AD. Additionally, we have the writings of second century church fathers like Polycarp and Tertulian, who quote the New Testament in their writings. All again, before 333 AD. We also have the annals from the Roman historian Tacitus who wrote of Jesus being crucified by order of Pontius Pilate, confirming the Gospel account. Again, well before 333 AD.

    ( I don’t doubt that Jesus existed he just didn’t exist when your religion did and I never said that manuscripts did not exist during the times that you say what I was referring to was the fact that the Chrisitan bible the CANONISED version did not exist until 300 yrs after christianity was formed. I’m well aware of the manuscripts that were FLOATING around at the time just like you had MANY jewish manuscripts that existed LONG before the christian ones you are mentioning.What you fail to acknowledge is that there were MANY chrisitans sects in the early days of christianity just like you had MANY jewish sects with one coming to mind called the ESSENES who scholars say may have had been the ones responsible for the Dead Sea Scrolls being hidden away in the clay jars.The main christian faith at the time was Orthodox which was started by the Orthodox jews that converted/started christianity then Catholicism which became the most common and most powerful which was started by GENTILE christians.The reason for the canons was you had so many DIFFERENT manuscripts and everyone doing there own thing for so long that Constantine decided it would be in his best interest to put things in order ( you had more than one canon but the one with Constantines involvement was the most important because it establishes the trinity as an authentic belief )And even that didn’t get rid of the problems in christianity with all the in-fighthing,disagreements etc.. you do know that chrisitans not only fought with pagans and muslims but with each other to the death all over scripture.Now lets tackle the crucifiction Jesus was crucified through the WRIST “NOT” the hands like its been depicted or decscribed in many “christian” religous paintings and writings and his crucifiction had NOTHING to do with atonement for sin/mankinds salvation that is NOT a jewish belief.Jesus has no significance at all in the jewish faith because he is NOT mentioned in anyway shape or form as messiah or God in the flesh you do not combine humanity with divinity in judaism that is BLASPHEMY and spilling human blood as atonement for sin is NOT practiced or believed in judaism. I could point many reasons why jews reject jesus as messiah all of which aer VALID under the beilefs of the hebrew faith. But one of the “MAIN” reasons is he NEVER fullfilled the “JEWISH” requirements for messiah the christian requirements do NOT count no matter what you guys say or read from the new testament it has nothing to do with jesus. He was a jew that spoke hebrew/aramaic greek was NOT his native tongue and the jews would have NEVER written any of there holy in text in greek.Greek is associated with paganism GREEK MYTHOLOGY which Yawheh “strictly” forbid his people from associating with but Christianity “embraced” by adopting many pagan beliefs and practices in an attempt to make conversion more APPEALING!! )

    I already showed you through Scripture that Jesus preached belief in Him or eternity in Hell. And you have not addressed it. The Old Testament has hundreds of Messianic prophecies in it. There was never a question that the Messiah would come who would provide salvation. It’s just a question of who the Messiah is.

    (WRONG!!! You cannot use the new testament to prove such things when jesus was NOT a christian,never wrote,preached or read from your new testament eternity in hell comes from Catholicism which they got from EARLIER pagan beilefs if you read the torah there is NO mention of eternal damnation by fire gehena was an ancient garbage dump,Sheoul is jewish for the grave or place of the dead,what you folks have are MISTRANSLATIONS of jewish words for your christian Hell which is NOT supported in Judaism or its text.WRONG!!! The Old testament is NOT even used by orthodox or conservative jews they only use the TORAH which is it’s “proper” name only messianic jews use OT who are a MINORITY the prophecies you mention are MISINTERPRETATIONS of jewish prophecies and outright ALTERATIONS of jewish text to fit christian beilefs this has been proven by many scholars and if you don’t beleive me do the research for yourself like I did from 1998-2002 which is why I LEFT new testament christianity and became a gnosticc christian.Who the messiah is no one knows yet because according to the jews he hasn’t arrived.You see in Judaism there is no such thing as a “second coming” the messiah arrives once annd that’s it but since many felt that by jesus dying on the cross and not fullfiling any of the jewish prohecies he coud not have been the messiah based on what the jewish bible “the TENAKH” said about the messiah and how he would be recognised jesus did NOT fit any of the descriptions or criteria.)

    You don’t have any academic or theological sources for any of your claims. Can you provide some?

    ( We aer not in a formal debate this is a discussion everything I know was from study/research many years ago so it would be IMPOSSIBLE to recall all the sources of intormation I obtained at the time but I can give general information.A lot of what I know started in the library reading the history of christianity and books about jewish faith along with comparing the jewish bible with the christian one.Later on I was able to access jewish websites and got MORE information which lead me to having e-mail correspondance with Rabbis and other jews instead of getting my info about judaism from chrisitan sources which is ALWAYS biased in some way.Just like I would never get info about christiantiy from a jewish source but having been a christian myself during my research “Baptist” I was just wanted to know how christianity got started because the bible DOESN’T say. )

    As for your Gnostic path, what is it? What is it that you believe?

    ( Gnosticism has been around since Catholicism it was a christian sect that the catholic Church felt threatened by because of its teachings that you did NOT need a “middle man” so to speak between God and man which would be Jesus for mainstream christians.You also don’t need holy text,places of worship for fellowship,repentance,salvation,obediance etc… Our relationship with God is private and personal ONE on ONE like in a marriage no need for any outsiders/ men of authority popes,preist,ministers,pastors so basically what Gnosticism was teaching was a SPIRITUAL connection to God NOT a RELIGIOUS one which is what you have now with all the bible based beliefs today and back then. So as a Gnostic I believe that we are ONE with the creator SPIRITUALLY and nothing can seperate us from that,we do not have to seek salvation,no need to be born again,no need to repent for any sins because God never created sinnners.I do not beileve in hell as a place of eternal damnation I DO not beliieve in satan because Angels do NOT fall from heaven.Heaven is a place that is VOID of all sin so no reason for any angels to turn on our loving creator.In order for satan to rebel he would have ALREADY had a sinful nature when he was created by God as an angel and GOD never created any beings with sin nor did we aquire it from our FREE will because life,free will and this earth were GIFTS from God to all of us so there would no reason for him to give us something that would cause us harm.I believe we already have ETERNAL life as SPIRITS only our flesh dies not the soul or spirit the soul is our LIFEFORCE from God while the spirit is the MIRROR image of our flesh bodies and when we depart from this earth we just go back to our ORIGINAL form SPIRIT.There is NO judgement after we die because we have free will from GOD to do as we please while on earth make our own choices and deccisions right or wrong experience life as we see fit wihtout any negative consequences placed on us by our loving creator.Any consequences we are face are a direct result of our free will chioces not temtpations from satan or his demons or a test from God.)

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    • not to butt in.
      but brother.
      You are completely confused and lost. You based all your truth and faith on man made belief.
      You think all the research and knowing the back history will grant you salvation or peace?
      noo, just stress, boasting and pride.

      I can understand where you are coming from and your belief. But what you say just throws away 1 single important thing that you lack and cannot understand: “love”.

      Without love you are nothing.
      1 Corinthians 13
      “13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.”
      –if I understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. —

      You said Jesus was crucified through the wrist. It might be true but it doesn’t matter to true believers. Only denomination and clueless believers are the one to believe so.

      Saying his blood was not an atonement, not mentioned in Jewish faith etc. All that is Judaism.
      If I go to Israel now and mention Jesus in certain part of Israel, I would be attacked.

      You said God forbids the Jews from associating with Greeks. So if God was to speak to 7 different individuals from every continent in the world. Would he speak in Aramaic or in their languages? And what if one of them was Greek?

      And why do you talk about Christianity like that? have you looked at the origin and how the Christianity originally began? Because if I were to use the New Testament, you know I will direct you to Acts. But without NT, how exactly can you explain to me Christianity’s origin.

      I’m so glad I’m a born again Christian and not a Jew, because I don’t have to follow their damn 100+ laws! Even a manager who manages a shop does not get overworked to death with that much laws and rules.

      And brother…you being a former Baptist? O_O
      you wasted your time there. There are many Christians out there who say the bible is the word of God (like Baptist says) but they deny its power. There are flaws and hard to understand verses in bible but they choose to ignore them. There are many people who profess to be Christians but they are just liars.

      And I’m so glad God is NOT a personal God.
      Why should someone make God a personal God? it’s like 2 women fighting over the same guy, that is the exact way of describing a personal God.
      God blesses both the wicked and the good. That is what a loving God is, that is our God.

      Brother you will continue to be in demise because of your believe. You need Jesus to see the TRUTH.
      But I will not preach to you.
      All I’ll say is, i’m happy with my church.
      We will continue to perform miracles, testify amazing testimony and praise and worship Jesus Christ our lord and saviour.

      good luck

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      • Richard Williams says:

        BEGINNING AND END

        You are completely confused and lost. You based all your truth and faith on man made belief
        .
        ( If I had a dime for all the times YOUR people have said this to me I would be RICH!!! And it’s funny you say that because YOUR religion is MAN-MADE you have absolutely NO proof that Yawheh wanted another belief or doctrine under the christian faith trust me your not the first christian I’ve had this discussion with ever since I became a Gnostic in 2004 I have had MANY discussuions and you guys ALWAYS respond in the same manner WRONG!!!!)

        You think all the research and knowing the back history will grant you salvation or peace?
        noo, just stress, boasting and pride.

        ( I’m NOT part of your version of christianity so I don’t need to worry about salvation when are you folks gonna realise you cannot AUTOMATICALLY apply your beliefs on everyone?? It doesn’t work that way you people TOTALLY ignore our God given free will to do as we please,believe what we want,accept and reject what we want and you have no right or authority to say otherwise because God NEVER put your people in charge of supervising,monitoring our behaviour or teaching us about God )

        I can understand where you are coming from and your belief. But what you say just throws away 1 single important thing that you lack and cannot understand: “love”.

        ( Oh really and I guess your christian version of love is better where a god DEMANDS obediance and compliance or else face eternal damnation,love where your version of god kills,curses,desrtoys and torments his children out of anger for there so called sinful behaviour something a NORMAL parent would never do,love where if you don’t accept the basic tenants of the beilef you are SHUNNED!!! REJECTED,CONDEMNED,JUDGED yeah your version is real aliright REALLY ignorant!!! )

        Without love you are nothing.
        1 Corinthians 13
        “13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.”
        –if I understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. —

        ( I’m gonna tell you just like I have hundrends of times with you people quoting scripture doesn’t mean squat just like if I were a muslim quoting the qran that wouldn’t mean a damn thing to you because you totally REJECT the qran well I totally REJECT the new testament it means NOTHING to me as an ENLIGHTENED christian of the Gnostic faith_)

        You said Jesus was crucified through the wrist. It might be true but it doesn’t matter to true believers. Only denomination and clueless believers are the one to believe so.

        ( Once again I HAVE encounted another “CLUELESS” christian it never fails )

        Saying his blood was not an atonement, not mentioned in Jewish faith etc. All that is Judaism.
        If I go to Israel now and mention Jesus in certain part of Israel, I would be attacked.

        (Exactly and Christians are NOT knowledgable of jewish beliefs because every christian like you that I encounter say the most ridiculous things that only come from ignorance and lack of knowledge about judiasm and its text )

        You said God forbids the Jews from associating with Greeks. So if God was to speak to 7 different individuals from every continent in the world. Would he speak in Aramaic or in their languages? And what if one of them was Greek?

        ( Nope what I said was Yawheh forbid his people to associate with PAGAN beliefs which greeks and there mytholog were a part of “bablylonian”,”sumerian”,”egyptian”,”persian”,”roman” and “greek” beilefs were considred PAGAN back then )

        And why do you talk about Christianity like that? have you looked at the origin and how the Christianity originally began? Because if I were to use the New Testament, you know I will direct you to Acts. But without NT, how exactly can you explain to me Christianity’s origin.

        ( I think I explained how I studied the origin of christiantiy from 1998-2002 and I also told you that the christian bible does NOT explain the REAL story on how christiantrity originated it never mentions anything about Constantine,the Canons,the fighting among christians,the many changes,revisions,alterations,translations,the violence towards non-believers,the politics behind catholicism,how christianity was mostly populated by gentile christians which is the reason for all the anti-semitism towards jews by christians back then and even today though on a smaller scale.The bible is NOT the source of all knowledge to believe that would mean that GOD is a christian and I assure he isn’t.What you have aer relgions that have TRIBAL god beilefs you folks have “Jehovah” and the jews have “Yawheh” and they ONLY apply to the people that follow each belief and its text )

        I’m so glad I’m a born again Christian and not a Jew, because I don’t have to follow their damn 100+ laws! Even a manager who manages a shop does not get overworked to death with that much laws and rules.

        ( And I’m glad I’m not a New Testament Christian anyumore so I DON’T have to adhere to there UNREALISTIC expectations and distorted views/beliefs about our loving creator,trust me when I left your particular faith I wasn’t gonna trade it with something just as bad so I went with something MUCH better )

        And brother…you being a former Baptist? O_O
        you wasted your time there. There are many Christians out there who say the bible is the word of God (like Baptist says) but they deny its power. There are flaws and hard to understand verses in bible but they choose to ignore them. There are many people who profess to be Christians but they are just liars.

        ( Actually I wasted 7 yrs of my life following New Testament christianity which consists of Pentacostal,Calvanist,Baptist,Evangelical,Presbyterian,Methodist,Lutheran,Episcopal am I forgetting someone?? And who put you in charge of deciding,determining,judging,proclaiming who is really a christian or not?? Christiantiy is one of the MOST fragmented religions in the world with all the DIFFERENT denominations you have no right to say who is really christian or not besides I bet you OTHER christians would probably say the same thing about you because this is the kind of behaviour I experienced as a young catholic OTHER christians talking trash about catholicism like the hypocrites they aer because they “share” some of the same beliefs “hell,satan,eternal damnation,the trinity,god as a man,sin,salvation,judgment.What they don’t share is the use of the rosary,confession,belief in pergatory,DIFFERENT bibles the catholic version has 76 books and the protestant version has 66)

        And I’m so glad God is NOT a personal God.
        Why should someone make God a personal God? it’s like 2 women fighting over the same guy, that is the exact way of describing a personal God.
        God blesses both the wicked and the good. That is what a loving God is, that is our God.

        ( Oh but he is a PERSONAL god because your version is NOT the dominant belief in the world only YOU folks accept the new testament version of God the jews don;t,the muslims don’t,the jehovahs and mormons don’t so you have no room to taljk about a dislike of having a personal god because thats’ what EVERYONE on this planet has you will NEVER get a total unified beleif about god no matteer what holy text you read whuich is why you have so MANY different beliefs about god now )

        Brother you will continue to be in demise because of your believe. You need Jesus to see the TRUTH.
        But I will not preach to you.
        All I’ll say is, i’m happy with my church.
        We will continue to perform miracles, testify amazing testimony and praise and worship Jesus Christ our lord and saviour.

        ( WRONG!!! That is one of the BIGGEST lies that your people have spread throughout history)

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        • why do you say it is man made?
          Christians were originally called disciples, it was in Antioch that the name was changed to Christians and is now used till this day.
          Yes it is man made but called by God because Jesus started this Christianity/Discipleship from Peter for Peter had the gates to…oh never mind:)

          You are so blinded by the truth that we cannot help you any more. Pride has over taken you. Because of all the research you did, the pride has made you absolutely 100% right only in your eyes.

          You talk about free will yet you missed a fundamental flaw of the purpose of free will.
          What is free will?
          God has not done anything visually stunning since Jesus died on the cross so how would people believe he is real? You complain we are forcing people to believe in Christain.
          Now brother, if none of us does not talk about Christian or Gospel…HOW CAN PEOPLE HAVE FREEWILL?
          Freewill is based on the fundamental principles of Choice! If there is no choice then there is NO FREEWILL.
          Once we give people the Gospel, then freewill automatically kicks in. Because they have the ‘choice’ to either believe the Gosepl or not. Brother that is free will!
          Jesus has done it all on the cross, now it is up to us, his disciples aka Christians (Christ-followers) to tell others about him. Then people will REALISE the free will God had given them.
          Choose life or death, that is free will.
          If you go to North Korea, that is a place were there is NO freewill.
          But going to South Korea, there is a freewill because the people have a choice for everything and decisions.

          Brother, you misunderstand God of the old testament. I don’t believe the bible is God’s words. I believe the bible contains words of God, for that is the only way to understand the true nature of God.
          The Israelites wanted to obey God’s command for they said to Moses, that is why God gave the laws and curses and included “if you do this”, the word ‘YOU’ is a condition. But in New testament or New Covenant, there is no “you” doing this, for Jesus has done it all for us.
          The You is a requirement condition that needs to be met if you want to receive God’s blessing or reap curses by disobedient. But in new covenant, we get his blessings for free without the “you” need to do this.
          And I’m going to ignore all the nonsense you spilled about God acting crazy. That kind of statement is what i hear from Atheists.

          So you make it a big DEAL that Jesus was crucified in the wrist? Then let us give you a Award of the Year. Please also let me know if I would give a damn if Jesus was white or black:/

          Do you want me to provide you a link of Youtube how someone mentions Jesus and he was attacked in Israel? Oh wait…all the nonsense and pride talking you’ve been saying are nothing but air because you can’t provide any evidence.
          Now we are back to square one. Atheist wants us to provide evidence of God, now we want you to provide us all your evidence of your claims.

          So now you know more about God than he knows about himself?

          The christian bible: the new testament is compiled off letters, last letter was 2 John. So it would not be possible for them to add anything not worthy.
          Also there are evidences out there for the origin of the bible, youtube is the fastest way to learn about bible history.
          Let the jews have Yahew, let Muslims have Allah…don’t give a damn to me.
          All I want to know are RESULTS…what have their gods been doing for them!
          Because I have loads of testimonies and so do others have, how Jesus has done so much for them both physically and supernaturally.
          Rest of the gods are nothing but air.

          Ok that’s fine.
          If you find happiness, joy, comfort, peace in your belief that is fine
          I have all that ever since I gave my life to Jesus..so I’m cool mannnnnn^__^

          You mentioned denomination churches…I am not part of them.
          Those kinds of churches are the exact reason why you disbelief and the exact reason why there is strive in churches. I believe in the WORDS of God.
          So I am judging others? and what have you been doing for the past years post 2004? were you judging others? or how many judging have you displayed from your reply to me?
          please spare me the damn sentimental of ‘judging’.
          I hate it when hypocrites use that word, they are so quick to point out that others are judging yet they do the same.

          Yes..let them have a personal god.
          I am once again GLAD that we don’t have a personal God!
          For the same God blesses both the poor and rich, wicked and good people. The God is fair and will judge everyone equally. The God who searches human hearts!
          Why should a personal God punish a man for stealing another man’s money? But my free loving God will know the reason why the man stole money from another person, which is to feed his family or himself.
          My free God expresses we should love each other, so he encourages the man to share his money, if he had done so the hungry man would not have stolen his money.
          But your personal god encourages the man to keep the money and use it for himself, which is why he gets his money stolen and that personal god punishes the man for stealing.
          I AM GLAD WE HAVE NO PERSONAL GOD!

          HHAHAHAHAHAHHA
          You are in DENIAL!
          You might has well just become an Atheist brother and save us the time!
          At least Atheist will say my experiences are delusional.

          Brother do what you want man. In the end, a person’s pride will ALWAYS be their down fall.
          You cannot convince me by your beliefs and researches (with no proof).

          what is truth?
          did you find your truth from man or from God?
          good luck!

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          • Richard Williams says:

            BEGINNING AND END

            why do you say it is man made?
            Christians were originally called disciples, it was in Antioch that the name was changed to Christians and is now used till this day.
            Yes it is man made but called by God because Jesus started this Christianity/Discipleship from Peter for Peter had the gates to…oh never mind:)

            ( So what?? Did Yawheh God of Isreal tell anyone to start your christian religion when he already had one called Judaism?? NO!!!! And why are you LYING!!! I thought that was a sin for you folks Jesus NEVER started chrisitanity ask ANY bible scholar and they will say the same thing,Jesus was JEWISH and never preached,taught or read from your new testament.Christianity did NOT exist when jesus was alive YAWHEH never told anyone to start christianity so why would Jesus start another faith wihtiout his fathers permission?? that would be a sin right?? going against his fathers will remember Jesus was without sin so why would jesus go out and do his own thing like your satan did which got him in so much trouble,SHOW me proof in the Hebrew bible where it says Jesus started christianity by his fathers command.If Yawheh commanded the jews to write his word the TORAH then it should show where he asked his son to start another religion )

            You are so blinded by the truth that we cannot help you any more. Pride has over taken you. Because of all the research you did, the pride has made you absolutely 100% right only in your eyes.

            (Who said I wanted any help from you people?? You are the father of lies when it comes to jesus,god,heaven,hell and all the other religious nonsense you people spew on a daily basis and why aer you such a hypocrite when your people are ALWAYS claiming to be 100% right since when did your religion have a monopoly on truth?? “LOL” )

            You talk about free will yet you missed a fundamental flaw of the purpose of free will.
            What is free will?

            ( I know what the fundamental flaw is it’s your religions definition of it that is the flaw free will deoes not mean you have to choose between one thing or the other under strict guidelines/rules )

            God has not done anything visually stunning since Jesus died on the cross so how would people believe he is real?

            ( It’s not up to you decide that it’s up to mankind whether they want to believe in him or not which is why you have atheist and believers )
            You complain we are forcing people to believe in Christain.
            ( Not complaining but explainining how wrong it is for u folks to do so and how much of a hypocrite christians aer when complainng about other beliefs that say things you dislike but you don’t have a problem with shoving jesus down everyones throat constantly talking about how everyone must come to your version of christ and god.Every day people aer bombarded with christian religious rhetoric,propaganda,coersion,manipulation and deception always butting in other peoples affairs on how they should live a godly/christian life as if you have been specifically chosen by god to represent his wants,desires and beliefs for everyone on earth to hear but that of course is not the case.This is the most arrogant,ignorant thing about your religion that i despise your NOT special you don’t have secret knowldege your not some exclusive club that has special knowlege or favor from God over anyone else )

            Now brother, if none of us does not talk about Christian or Gospel…HOW CAN PEOPLE HAVE FREEWILL?
            Freewill is based on the fundamental principles of Choice! If there is no choice then there is NO FREEWILL.

            (Your Christianitry doesn’t believe in Free choice you people believe in Conrtolled choice meaning any choices or decisions that you make MUST meet the approval of your god must be acceptable by him meet his critreria befoer it can be acted upon,well that maybe so for your followers but it does NOT apply to non-believers )

            Once we give people the Gospel, then freewill automatically kicks in. Because they have the ‘choice’ to either believe the Gosepl or not. Brother that is free will!
            Jesus has done it all on the cross, now it is up to us, his disciples aka Christians (Christ-followers) to tell others about him. Then people will REALISE the free will God had given them.

            ( WRONG!!! The new testament gospel does NOT apply to non-believers PERIOD!!! No exceptions Jesus did not do anything for the christian religion because he was JEWISH.The proper definition of free will is all human beings can make there own choices and decisions right or wrong without any inteferance,interruption,correction or punishment from God.And any consequences we face or experience are a direct result of our free will decision it has nothing to do with satan,sin,demons or god wrath )

            Choose life or death, that is free will.
            If you go to North Korea, that is a place were there is NO freewill.
            But going to South Korea, there is a freewill because the people have a choice for everything and decisions.

            ( WRONG,WRONG,WRONG!!! What you just described was YOUR religious version of Free Will which you CANNOT automatically apply on everyone else SPIRITUAL free will is all about CHOICES “UNLIMITED” choices in life that we can make without any approval from some religious deity so how about you continue to follow your religiously controlled free will and I WILL follow my spiritual free will okay?? GOOD!!! )

            Brother, you misunderstand God of the old testament. I don’t believe the bible is God’s words. I believe the bible contains words of God, for that is the only way to understand the true nature of God.
            The Israelites wanted to obey God’s command for they said to Moses, that is why God gave the laws and curses and included “if you do this”, the word ‘YOU’ is a condition. But in New testament or New Covenant, there is no “you” doing this, for Jesus has done it all for us.

            (NOPE!!! You folks have tainted the torah with your biased christian interpretation which resulted in a flawed version called the OT which NO orthodox,conservative jew accepts as valid doctrine,the new covenant was NEVER suppoise to be under your christian faith and as I HAVE mentioned many times before YAWHEH “never” told anyone to write the new testament he already had his holy text TORAH which he chose his people to write for him Christians are NOT the people of Yawheh the isrealites aer why is it so hard for you to comprehend that??)

            The You is a requirement condition that needs to be met if you want to receive God’s blessing or reap curses by disobedient. But in new covenant, we get his blessings for free without the “you” need to do this.
            And I’m going to ignore all the nonsense you spilled about God acting crazy. That kind of statement is what i hear from Atheists.

            (But it’s true shall I show YOU proof from your bible?? Let me know and I WILL )

            So you make it a big DEAL that Jesus was crucified in the wrist? Then let us give you a Award of the Year. Please also let me know if I would give a damn if Jesus was white or black:/

            ( I did not make a big deal about it I just brought it up to make a point that was all and i never mentioned anything about his color so don’t go off topic thank you )

            Do you want me to provide you a link of Youtube how someone mentions Jesus and he was attacked in Israel? Oh wait…all the nonsense and pride talking you’ve been saying are nothing but air because you can’t provide any evidence.
            Now we are back to square one. Atheist wants us to provide evidence of God, now we want you to provide us all your evidence of your claims.

            ( I could care less besides if he was stupid enough to DISRESPECT the jews right in there own land with your silly jesus talk I guess he got what he deserved,because you folks have this authority complex where you feel you can do and say whatever you want whether it offends people or not just because you thnk your in special favor with jesus and god )

            So now you know more about God than he knows about himself?

            ( DAMN you just described what your religion has been doing for centuries telling non-believers that the only way to know and undrestand god is through jesus christ BUT as a convert to your christian faith )

            The christian bible: the new testament is compiled off letters, last letter was 2 John. So it would not be possible for them to add anything not worthy.
            Also there are evidences out there for the origin of the bible, youtube is the fastest way to learn about bible history.

            ( You really need to study the COMPLETE history on how your bible was compiled,assembled,put together etc….I already know the history of the bible and it has MANKINDS finger print all over it not one thing was divine intervention )

            Let the jews have Yahew, let Muslims have Allah…don’t give a damn to me.
            All I want to know are RESULTS…what have their gods been doing for them!
            Because I have loads of testimonies and so do others have, how Jesus has done so much for them both physically and supernaturally.
            Rest of the gods are nothing but air.

            ( Apparently those gods have done enough because both religions STILL exist and flourish DESPITE all of your evangelist\missionary efforts at bringing people to your jesus and doctrine in fact islam has been putting quite a whoopin on christians in the middle east which is the place of your religoins birth how ironic.Sorry but yuour testinmonmies don’t mean squat it doesn’t prove a damn thing about your beliefs concerning jesus as messiah,saviour,god in the flesh or anything else.If those testimonies are so convincing how come you still have STIFF competition from other religions? Did you know that Mormonism iis the fastest growing religion in America?? you almost had a Mormon for president?? whats up with that?? how come your people couldn’t get it together?? it got so bad that you had to let a mormon step up to the plate and we all know how youu folks feel about the mormons “LOL” “EMBARRASSING!!!! )

            Ok that’s fine.
            If you find happiness, joy, comfort, peace in your belief that is fine
            I have all that ever since I gave my life to Jesus..so I’m cool mannnnnn^__^

            ( Good for you so why don;t let everyone else do the same?? And stop trying to get people to reject there beliefs and accept yours?? )

            You mentioned denomination churches…I am not part of them.
            Those kinds of churches are the exact reason why you disbelief and the exact reason why there is strive in churches. I believe in the WORDS of God.

            ( But your bible is the CULPRIT because without it those Churches would NOT exist )

            So I am judging others? and what have you been doing for the past years post 2004? were you judging others? or how many judging have you displayed from your reply to me?
            please spare me the damn sentimental of ‘judging’. I hate it when hypocrites use that word, they are so quick to point out that others are judging yet they do the same.

            ( Your reliigon has been judginig others for a very,very,very,very long time it started with jews,then pagans,indians,asians,other minorities and today it’s mostly atheist,gays,lesbians and other non-believers.I’m NOT part of your faith so I CAN do whatever I WANT plus if your people can do it why can’t I ??? )

            Yes..let them have a personal god.
            I am once again GLAD that we don’t have a personal God!
            For the same God blesses both the poor and rich, wicked and good people. The God is fair and will judge everyone equally. The God who searches human hearts!
            Why should a personal God punish a man for stealing another man’s money? But my free loving God will know the reason why the man stole money from another person, which is to feed his family or himself.

            (Good for you and for your information your god is not love just read all the HORRIBLE things he did in your bible it’s right there in blacck and white mostly in your Old Testament but you also have stuff in the new testament showing his wratth,anger etc.. towards his creation for the smallest infractions )

            My free God expresses we should love each other, so he encourages the man to share his money, if he had done so the hungry man would not have stolen his money.
            But your personal god encourages the man to keep the money and use it for himself, which is why he gets his money stolen and that personal god punishes the man for stealing.

            (But you folks show a distorted form of love where the person has to acccept your bible and beliefs before he can be accepted,respected,treated with dignity and equality)

            I AM GLAD WE HAVE NO PERSONAL GOD!

            HHAHAHAHAHAHHA
            You are in DENIAL!
            You might has well just become an Atheist brother and save us the time!
            At least Atheist will say my experiences are delusional.

            ( Thats the problem its easier for you to handle atheist becasuse they reject god altogether but since I just follow a “different” form of christianity it’s difficult for christians like you to deal with that in a dicusiion..I have a different belief about God so you can’t use your usual defenses and arguments with me like you do with them )

            Brother do what you want man. In the end, a person’s pride will ALWAYS be their down fall.

            ( WRONG!! Thats jsut your biased religous oipinoin forutnately itr doesn’t matter to me at all

            You cannot convince me by your beliefs and researches (with no proof).

            ( Who said I was trying to convince you of anything?? I’m not like you I don;t go around preaching any silly jesus gospel trtying to get people to convert to my faith so you are sadly mistaken here,I pointed all that out in respone to our discussion nothing more i dont care what you believe cause it has no direct effect on my life but for some odd reason you guys just can’t leave non-believers alone can’t let them do there own thing you want them to accept YOUR belief about god and jesus as the absolute truth without any logical,verifiable proof sorry it doesn’t work that way which is why after thousands of years you guys are STILL trying to bring people to yuour christian jesus and FAILING miserably)

            what is truth?

            ( You have 2 versions Spiritual and Religious when it comes to God what you decide to accept is your chioce thats why we have FREE wil )

            did you find your truth from man or from God?

            ( God does NOT decide what truth is for us he gave us the ability to do that on our own )

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            • I’m so glad I’m not a judaism believer, I don’t have to work my self to death with 100+ laws!
              Even a manager at a retail store does not get that much hassle!
              And I’ll ignore all the nonsense you wrote, pure garbage from man made stuff. You don’t read nor believe in NT therefore it would be totally pointless to counter talk to what you wrote.

              What is right?
              if person A says God is real and doing wonders in his life and person B says God is not real because there’s no evidence of him.
              Person A is seeing miracles, wonders and blessings in his life by simply believing in Jesus and he has been lifted to the top. And person B’s life is still the same.
              Who is right? Person A’s life has been changed upside down, in and out by believing in Jesus who is God. Person B’s life is the same bottom pit because he dwells in himself and works and thinks he achieves everything himself.
              they are both right one way or form.
              Because Person’s A life has changed by believing in God and he knows he’s real therefore God blessed him.
              Person B’s life did not change because he did not believe in God therefore he got no blessings, because there’s no god in his life.
              So now think about it from fact: who is essentially right?
              it is obviously person A because whether person B likes it or not, god is there and real, he chose not to believe and think he’s real. His delusion makes God not real in his mind.

              So for you to say we are hypocrites, same analogy applies to you my friend. My life has been changed upside down ever since I believed in Jesus and gave my life to him. My life is a testimony to prove he is real. You have decided not to believe and followed man’s ways that he’s not real.

              Freewill is choosing!
              If I give you bread and milk to choose from, have I just given you freewill? yes because I have given you 2 choices!
              But if i give you bread, have you got a freewill? no because you cannot choose!

              Yes it is not up to us to decide that is why we give them a choice of freewill through the Gospel. They decide to believe or not. Mission done.
              “Every day people aer bombarded with christian religious rhetoric,propagand…”
              blah blah blah in my years. the same applies to you. What have you been doing here?
              in the end we are all humans, flawed!
              the same mistake I make is the same mistake you make.

              You say there is no freewill in ours and must be met by criteria.
              Ok..how does one become a judaism believer?

              i find it funny that you spoke with bold, confident and pride that NT does not apply to non-believers. Aren’t you the one saying you reject NT and don’t believe it? So who gave you permission to decide if NT is for non believers or not? OR what even makes your statement right if you don’t believe in NT?
              It’s like someone saying “Jesus is not real” and then say “no Jesus was not white” what the? O_o
              completely irrelevant!

              so North Korea all have free will? why don’t you go there and piss on Kim Jong’s statue and see what will happen to you.

              so Yahweh’s holy text is torah…and how many people have resurrected the dead with torah?

              No..you did not brought the jesus crucifixion. It is just another way to BOAST yourself, to show pride that you know more than us. Brother..you are operating in worldly manner, period! Godly manner is all about lowering yourself and humbling yourself.
              I mean what POINT did you exactly wanted to make? what does Jesus being crucified in the wrist has anything to do with your arguments about judaism and chrisitan???

              yes…you’ve studied the bible in and out, also studied Christianity since 1993-2002. Any other worldly boastful thoughts you want us to know? because from your side it is “having and knowing more knowledge beats everything else”

              i could care less about mormons or other nonsense. In the end there will be tribulations, false prophets and teachers and wolves in sheep clothings. not everyone is going to heaven.

              who said I was doing that? you see everyone? another judging! yet he is so fast to point fingers at others judging.

              or you ever thought that people misunderstood the bible?
              just like Islam, many say “quran teaches women to cover their body”. Other muslims says that is not what quran says for people are mixing tradition with quran.
              So whose’s fault is it? quran or people’s misunderstanding?

              yes yes blah blah blah..god is an angry god in OT. yes i have heard that nonsense many times from Atheist. Just call yourself an Atheist and let everyone go home man.

              what’s difficult about you? once again pride.
              you talk nonsense, i should have just ignored you from start. Everyone here should have done the same. but we wanted to see if any of our words will penetrate your wall, because your wall is mustard with pride and boasting.

              it is gotten from proverbs quotes -___-

              i have a google+ community page where I post all Jesus stuff and bible stuff.
              like it or not!

              yes…so God gave us ability to know the truth…hmmm sure…which is exactly why we are here because of adam and eve, trying to know the truth themselves.

              anyway you bore me. nothing but nonsense pride and boastful comments. No absolute logic in your words.
              but continue to post and argue to my brothers and sisters here, knock yourself out.
              i’m done with you mate.

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              • I first want to say I agree with you 100% on what you said about this person and I’d like to add that it really doesn’t matter how much study you have given Christianity or the Bible.You can’t possibly understand the meaning of the bible without the Holy Ghost. The Bible is spiritually discerned and can’t be understood completely without the reader having the Holy Ghost to show them what it means. When a non Christian reads it , it is merely a history book with little to no meaning to life. If you truly want to understand God’s word you need to humble yourself and ask God to save you and when that happens you can read the bible and understands God’s true meaning to it.

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                • Richard Williams says:

                  CAROLYN COCHRUN –

                  I first want to say I agree with you 100% on what you said about this person and I’d like to add that it really doesn’t matter how much study you have given Christianity or the Bible.You can’t possibly understand the meaning of the bible without the Holy Ghost. The Bible is spiritually discerned and can’t be understood completely without the reader having the Holy Ghost to show them what it means. When a non Christian reads it , it is merely a history book with little to no meaning to life. If you truly want to understand God’s word you need to humble yourself and ask God to save you and when that happens you can read the bible and understands God’s true meaning to it.

                  (Why would you say something so stupid?? Thats just a cop-out and totally ridiculous so now your saying unless someone is part of your little christian club and buddy,buddy with the holy ghost they won’t understand your silly text? aer you freaking kidding me?? Ancient man wrote the bible not the holy ghost, or any other religious deity.Your just spewing the usual christian nonsense that I encounter all the time when in discussion with you folks so please spare me the lecture.Your bible and religion do not make the rules,was not chosen to teach everyone about god nor was it put in charge to monitor our behaviour you folks aer the most arrogant people on this planet with your jesus talk and elitist mentality your nothing special just a bunch of silly human beings following the archaic,ancient beliefs of bronze age man )

                  Have a nice evening little christian soldier!!!

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                  • Absolutely right. Holy Ghost gives us God’s meaning in His word. You can believe what you want to believe and think want you want to think but the day will come when you realize the truth of all we Christians have said and you need not worry about me as I’m truly blessed each and every day. Wouldn’t go back to that old sinful life I had before Jesus for the entire world. I have a great life and I don’t ever have to worry about death as it can’t touch me or any Christian. Happy Trails to you and I pray you and your kind.

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                    • Richard Williams says:

                      CAROLYN COCHRUN –

                      Absolutely right. Holy Ghost gives us God’s meaning in His word. You can believe what you want to believe and think want you want to think but the day will come when you realize the truth of all we Christians have said and you need not worry about me as I’m truly blessed each and every day. Wouldn’t go back to that old sinful life I had before Jesus for the entire world. I have a great life and I don’t ever have to worry about death as it can’t touch me or any Christian. Happy Trails to you and I pray you and your kind.

                      ( Your delusional first of all how many different christian faiths exist?? MANY!! I’ll name some for you Baptist,Protestant,Evangelical,Episcopal,Pentacostal,Methodist,Catholic,Presbyterian,Orthodox, Lutheran and Gnostic which is what I follow so tell me out of all these christian beilefs which one does your Jehovah approve of as the correct one that spreads and interprets his word??? Oh and what about your text?? which one is the authentic word of Jehovah?? The Catholic Christian bible which has 76 books or the Protestant Bible with 66 books and while I’m on the subject how come you have 2 DIFFERENT Christian bibles?? Oh and lets not forget about the Torah which is also suppose to be the word of this god you people worship so now thats 3 different holy text that aer his holy word so which one is the real deal??? My point here is that christianity is so fragmented,divided,not in total agreement on the word of your god plus not all christians totally agree with each other about god and jesus.For example many christians believe god is NOT part of a trinity while others do,many christians believe that jesus is just the son of god and NOT god in the flesh,many christians believe that you burn in hell for eternity while others believe the soul is destroyed,ceases to exist remember the wages of sin is DEATH it does not say the wages of sin is eternal damnation and death means you do NOT exist anymore so how would it be piossible to torment the soul for eternity if its dead?? And this is biblical stuff I’m not making it up.Many christians beleive god will destroy the earth while others say he will CLEANSE it of evil so with all the discrepancies,disagreement amongst the followers of chrisitanity how the hell can you say you people have truth when you guys can’t even agree on it?? Yeah I KNOW you agree on the basic tenants of your faith but after that you guys are NOT in agreement on many other isssues and to you that might not be a big deal but for a non-believer it raises a RED FLAG that sometyhing isn’t right how can you claim absolute truth when you don’t have absolute agreement with that truth?? Listen when something is undeniable truth you CAN’T argue with it have differences or disagreements on it so obviously your people aer not spreading truth just your just spreading biased religious opinion )

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                • Richard Williams says:

                  CAROLYN COCHRUN –

                  I first want to say I agree with you 100% on what you said about this person and I’d like to add that it really doesn’t matter how much study you have given Christianity or the Bible.You can’t possibly understand the meaning of the bible without the Holy Ghost. The Bible is spiritually discerned and can’t be understood completely without the reader having the Holy Ghost to show them what it means. When a non Christian reads it , it is merely a history book with little to no meaning to life. If you truly want to understand God’s word you need to humble yourself and ask God to save you and when that happens you can read the bible and understands God’s true meaning to it.

                  (Why would you say something so stupid?? Thats just a cop-out and totally ridiculous so now your saying unless someone is part of your little christian club and buddy,buddy with the holy ghost they won’t understand your silly text? aer you freaking kidding me?? Ancient man wrote the bible not the holy ghost, or any other religious deity.Your just spewing the usual christian nonsense that I encounter all the time when in discussion with you folks so please spare me the lecture.Your bible and religion do not make the rules,was not chosen to teach everyone about god nor was it put in charge to monitor our behaviour you folks aer the most arrogant people on this planet with your jesus talk and elitist mentality your nothing special just a bunch of silly human beings following the archaic,ancient beliefs of bronze age man )

                  Have a nice evening little christian soldier!!!

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                • Ignore this lunatic.
                  he said he has been saying the same things everywhere and at forums.
                  It is obvious by now he must have been banned from forums, which is the reason why he’s here.

                  Just ignore him, don’t bother to read any of his attention nonsense posts, he will go away.
                  Just ignore the devil and he will flee from you:P

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              • Richard Williams says:

                BEGINNING AND END

                And I’ll ignore all the nonsense you wrote, pure garbage from man made stuff. You don’t read nor believe in NT therefore it would be totally pointless to counter talk to what you wrote.

                ( You can’t counter-talk what i said with the new testament that’s why you won’t do it )

                What is right?
                if person A says God is real and doing wonders in his life and person B says God is not real because there’s no evidence of him.
                Person A is seeing miracles, wonders and blessings in his life by simply believing in Jesus and he has been lifted to the top. And person B’s life is still the same.
                Who is right? Person A’s life has been changed upside down, in and out by believing in Jesus who is God. Person B’s life is the same bottom pit because he dwells in himself and works and thinks he achieves everything himself.
                they are both right one way or form.
                Because Person’s A life has changed by believing in God and he knows he’s real therefore God blessed him.
                Person B’s life did not change because he did not believe in God therefore he got no blessings, because there’s no god in his life.
                So now think about it from fact: who is essentially right?
                it is obviously person A because whether person B likes it or not, god is there and real, he chose not to believe and think he’s real. His delusion makes God not real in his mind.

                ( WRONG!!!! I’m not an atheist and God does not adhere to your christian beilefs and that’s all I have to say about that )

                So for you to say we are hypocrites, same analogy applies to you my friend. My life has been changed upside down ever since I believed in Jesus and gave my life to him. My life is a testimony to prove he is real. You have decided not to believe and followed man’s ways that he’s not real.

                ( You are hypocrites you feel it’s okay to put down,disrespect,attack,judge,condemn,critcise non-believers but if the same is done to you guys believers will cry,complain and protest )

                Freewill is choosing!
                If I give you bread and milk to choose from, have I just given you freewill? yes because I have given you 2 choices!
                But if i give you bread, have you got a freewill? no because you cannot choose!

                ( NOPE!! You aer controlling my choice by LIMITING it how about give me MANY choices milk,wine,juice,beer,bread,muffins,donuts,corn bread,cereal get the point?? Its always LIMITED choices with you folks one thng or the other never multiple choices everything is black and white with you people ignoring all the grey areas in life so sad )

                Yes it is not up to us to decide that is why we give them a choice of freewill through the Gospel. They decide to believe or not. Mission done.
                “Every day people aer bombarded with christian religious rhetoric,propagand…”
                blah blah blah in my years. the same applies to you. What have you been doing here?
                in the end we are all humans, flawed!
                the same mistake I make is the same mistake you make.

                ( I am here to give you folks a taste of your own medicine so now you know how non-believers feel “LOL” )

                You say there is no freewill in ours and must be met by criteria.
                Ok..how does one become a judaism believer?

                ( Why are you aksing me did I not say I was a Gnostic Christian?? )

                i find it funny that you spoke with bold, confident and pride that NT does not apply to non-believers. Aren’t you the one saying you reject NT and don’t believe it? So who gave you permission to decide if NT is for non believers or not? OR what even makes your statement right if you don’t believe in NT?
                It’s like someone saying “Jesus is not real” and then say “no Jesus was not white” what the? O_o
                completely irrelevant!

                ( I didn’t decide anything I was just stating the facts that’s all and ONLY christians follow the new testament so stop being ignorant you know damn well what i meant and I never said jesus wasn’t real just that he’s NOT what you people say he is )

                so North Korea all have free will? why don’t you go there and piss on Kim Jong’s statue and see what will happen to you.

                ( Why don;t you since you people aer commanded to go out and preach the gospel “LOL” I don’t give a damn about north korea just like I don’t give a damn abouut your bible )

                so Yahweh’s holy text is torah…and how many people have resurrected the dead with torah?

                ( Ask the jews and since your on the subject how many folks have been resurrected by your silly text?? ZERO!!! )

                No..you did not brought the jesus crucifixion. It is just another way to BOAST yourself, to show pride that you know more than us. Brother..you are operating in worldly manner, period! Godly manner is all about lowering yourself and humbling yourself.
                I mean what POINT did you exactly wanted to make? what does Jesus being crucified in the wrist has anything to do with your arguments about judaism and chrisitan???

                ( I know more because I actually study while you guys just believe whatever you are told or what you read from your flawed scriptuer )

                yes…you’ve studied the bible in and out, also studied Christianity since 1993-2002. Any other worldly boastful thoughts you want us to know? because from your side it is “having and knowing more knowledge beats everything else”

                ( Well thats how you guys roll right?? You know how many times I’ve met christians that boast,brag,criticise,accuse,disrespect act like they know it all?? I’ve lost count its so many as I mentioned befoer your religion and bible do not have a monopoly on truth )

                i could care less about mormons or other nonsense. In the end there will be tribulations, false prophets and teachers and wolves in sheep clothings. not everyone is going to heaven.

                ( What about your nonsense?? You the mormons and jehovahs are in the same boat swimming in a sea of lies,nonsense and bigotry yes I agree only christians are going to your new testament heaven the rest aer going to a heaven where God loves all and treats everyone the same unlike you people )

                who said I was doing that? you see everyone? another judging! yet he is so fast to point fingers at others judging.

                ( I can do what I want remember?? I don’t adhere to your reliigous moral code of conduct besides your people do it and so can I )

                or you ever thought that people misunderstood the bible?
                just like Islam, many say “quran teaches women to cover their body”. Other muslims says that is not what quran says for people are mixing tradition with quran.
                So whose’s fault is it? quran or people’s misunderstanding?

                ( No the problem is the bible itself because it causes confusion among beilevers and non-believers thats why you have christians arguing with atheist,non-believers,other religious fiaths and other christians over scripture )

                yes yes blah blah blah..god is an angry god in OT. yes i have heard that nonsense many times from Atheist. Just call yourself an Atheist and let everyone go home man.

                ( Heard?? why haven’t yuou read it?? I’m not making this up its right there in black and white but I forgot you guys like to ignore it sweep it undre the rug and forget it exist,makle lame ass excuses about it right?? )

                what’s difficult about you? once again pride.
                you talk nonsense, i should have just ignored you from start. Everyone here should have done the same. but we wanted to see if any of our words will penetrate your wall, because your wall is mustard with pride and boasting.

                ( Pride is normal you folks display it on a daily basis always bragging and boasting about your damn religion wow what a hypocrite you aer )

                it is gotten from proverbs quotes -___-

                i have a google+ community page where I post all Jesus stuff and bible stuff.
                like it or not!

                ( So what?? Jesus NEVER wrote one damn word of your christian text )

                yes…so God gave us ability to know the truth…hmmm sure…which is exactly why we are here because of adam and eve, trying to know the truth themselves.

                ( WRONG!!! The adam\eve story never happened just another religious myth just like the one about satan being fallen angel kicked out of heaven taking bunch of angels with him “LOL” )

                anyway you bore me. nothing but nonsense pride and boastful comments. No absolute logic in your words.
                but continue to post and argue to my brothers and sisters here, knock yourself out.
                i’m done with you mate.

                ( Why don’t you be honest the real reason is because I challenged your faith and you ran out of responses,I STILL reject your faith and bible despite everything you say,you can’t get me to submit or say your right,your not use to dealing with somone like you because you guys aer MOSTLY trained to deal with Atheist.If I was so boring why have you continued this discussion for so long it’s been more than 2 days at least wow what a liar just be honest you just can’t compete and ran out of steam!! “LOL” you wish your religion and bible had logic don’t you??? have a nice day christian soldier )

                Now don’t respond to this if your done just read it cause I’ll continue on if you do I never back down from you crites!!!

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  43. Richard Williams says:

    BEGINNING AND END

    Secondly, how does the flood account in Gilgamesh prove that Christianity “stole” the account of Noah and the ark? Again, do you have any historical source that says this? There are dozens of flood accounts in ancient civilizations that date back thousands of years. Perhaps the flood did indeed happen and different civilizations recorded it? Just something to consider.

    ( Funny I never said christians stole anything because the flood story comes from the HEBREW bible NOT the christian bible )

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    • You are again making points that have no substance. You imply that somehow the flood account of Noah lacks validity from the Epic of Gilgamesh and when pressed to make a substantive argument, you offer no proof.

      This is the “Hebrew bible” you keep mentioning:

      Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

      2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

      3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

      4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

      5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

      6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

      7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

      8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

      9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

      10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

      11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

      12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” – Isaiah 53.

      Please provide your interpretation of this chapter from the “Hebrew Bible.”

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  44. You do realize Muslims are offended by this Movie too right ?

    We believe in all the Prophets like Noah too.

    So I don’t know why it was necessary to take a dig at us in this article … but anyway, Muslims, Jews and Christians should not see this movie.

    It is clearly blasphemous on many levels. Insulting and an attack against God, and his Prophet.

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    • Hi Moshin,

      I apologize if you feel I took a dig, but it was not my intention. What I said about the Muslim reaction to a movie that mocked the prophet Mohamed was factual. The United States Secretary of State, Susan Rice, specifically said on record saying the Youtube video sparked a violent protest at the American embassy in Cairo and then a subsequent attack on a government office in Benghazi which led to the deaths of 4 Americans.

      So again, I am sorry if you took offense to this mention but I certainly stand by my statement. Here is the video of Secretary Rice for your reference:

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    • I disagree Moshin that this movie is an attack .
      It is just a movie, pure entertainment.
      At least it would get the words going. And make people talk about the bible.
      Hollywood are doing us Christians a favour to talk about bible.

      all we see lately are wrestling, x-factor, music, horror movies, marvel movies, competition games/singing, football etc.
      NOTHING about God. Now Hollywood is making a movie about bible, which will allow non-believers to talk about it. Yet we Christians are not denying this opportunity of conversation starter.

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  45. Sns, who has jumped down anyone’s throat? Judging people about this stupid film? People are just pointing out the lies and distortions, the producers of this film should of classified it as fantasy and named it bozoah, from beginning to end (ha!) It is full of error and lies and casts God The Creator in a bad way, like He is unfair, unkind, unmerciful, backward, etc… I’m not offended in any way, the film is not biblical and I doubt non-believers will search for the true story, or seek God or ask questions, maybe a few but most just want entertainment,
    On another note, did you ever watch a movie that has been praised to high heaven and after watching it say that it just sucked? Better not you are judging them! Now see how stupid that sounds? I’ll watch it if its on free TV, but I already know it will suck, Russell Crowe can’t act his way out of a wet paper bag… just saying…

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  46. Richard Williams, you’re an anti-christ, an anti-God as creator-so let the chips land where they may??

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    • Richard Williams says:

      Please tell me where I said I was an Atheist?? because atheist aer anti-god and anti-christ and I’m just anti-new testament god and anti-new testament christ, to clarify that means I beileve in God and Jesus just NOT your version of it the version mainstream christians aer constantly preaching about to non-believers.

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  47. “The idea that Noah would want to kill his own family, is not only never stated in Scripture, it is just blasphemous to the Biblical account.”

    But God killing millions is just fine!

    What a joke! I’m looking forward to this movie now.

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  48. Jennifer Connelly’s mother is Jewish and Logan Lerman is 100% Jewish. Surely they can play Old Testament characters?

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  49. Richard Williams says:

    CAROLYN COCHRUN –

    And Richard – Jehovah is “the one true God” based on what? Your hunches? The Book of Judas? Your psychic intuition or mystical powers?

    ( You said that jews and christians worship the same god right?? Well that’s not possible because the Jews believe that Yawheh is their ONE true God not a 3 in 1 god I wasn’t implying that Yawheh is the one true god for everyone that’s christian talk and jews don’t say crap like that they don’t FORCE there god on everyone like christians do.Your god is a TRINITY god the jews god is NOT!!! If you folks would actually take the time to STUDY/LEARN about jewish text instead of just relying on your own text or what your pastors,preachers,ministers tell say you wouldn’t be saying ridiculous stuff like that about judiasm and christianity sharing the same god beilef. )

    You have yet to quote any text or source for anything you say. You are basically espousing New Age doctrine – anything you believe goes. Why? Well because you say so, of course! This is pure satanic delusion. You’re making this big deal about Christians telling Jews to believe. What do you believe? What is your religion and how do you practice it? Saying it’s “personal” is nothing short of a cop out. you have had ample time to try and attack the beliefs of others providing no evidence theological or historical. Why don’t you tell us what the correct religion is, since you seem to be so certain.

    ( Excuse me but I’m a Gnostic Christian and do not follow a specific text that dictates my beilefs like you christians do or that we BLINDLY adhere to,the Gnostic Gospels that exist were NEVER meant to be used in the same manner that you christians use the new testament and it’s gospels and that’s the difference you have religous beilefs and mine aer spiritual.And all the things I tell you regarding the differences between christianity and judaism and correcting you about the “wrong” statements you continue to make about the jews,jesus, etc..are COMMON knowledge.You just want me to quote your text but the problem with that is I can’t because it’s WRONG!!! Unlike many of your new testament brothers and sisters when I was a follower of the new testament I took the time to learn about judaism in 1998-2002 I started to notice a lot of problems in the christians version of things about jesus and the jews.Not too mention the bickering amongst christians of other denominations so I startred with books about both religions from the library,studied what jews REALLY believed compared the new testament with the torah,later on accessed jewish websites and compared it with christian ones,actually corresponded with jewish rabbi’s and other jews online and in person.I grew up in a catholic home then went baptist as an adult but by the time I was finished sutdying learning about how christianitry got started and what was really going on with the jews about jesus I realised I was following a LIE so I left new testament christian beliefs and followed Gnostic Christianity which I discovered during my study.So it’s been years since I did this and it would be impossible for me to tell you ALL the exact sources I used but the information is readily available for anyone to obtain.The problem is christians like you aer STUCK in your little new testament bubble and won’t venture out into the real world for CORRECT information.And I bet money you don’t know SQUAT about Gnostic Christianity and I’m not here to say what the correct religion is because NONE of them are correct about why we are here,what God is all about,or what happens when we are gone.So now I practice a spiritual form of christianity because the religious form which the MAJORITY of chrisitians practice is filled with arrogance,intolerance,bigotry,indifference,deception and ignorance)

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  50. Richard Williams says:

    BEGINNING AND END

    You are again making points that have no substance. You imply that somehow the flood account of Noah lacks validity from the Epic of Gilgamesh and when pressed to make a substantive argument, you offer no proof.

    ( WRONG!!! You are misunderstanding me my point was that the FLOOD story did NOT originate from the Christian bible it’s been around LONG befoer your reliogion was formed the biblical account is in the HEBREW text NOT the christian one,now from what I understand the flood story goes back further then the jewish faith so apparently it’s been around a VERY long time and was just retold by different religions,cultures,people of the middle east.Whether it actually occured or not is debatable but one thing that is NOT debatable is that GOD did not flood this earth and drown an entire race of people because they were behaving BADLY, God is OMNISCIENT which means he is aware of things BEFORE they happen so he knew how mankind would behave before he created them.So it would NOT have been a surprise to God on the way they acted back then after all he gave us FREE will so why would he be angry about there actions when he gave them the ability to behave in that manner?? Free Will means we can make our own choices and decisions right or wrong without any interferance,interruption,correction or punishment from our creator so it makes no sense for God to punish anyone for the way they act if we have the FREEDOM to do so. )

    Please provide your interpretation of this chapter from the “Hebrew Bible.”

    ( So it appears to me that this would be refering to Jesus based on your Christian interpretation of it right?? If so then you need to have a JEW interpret it for you because I’m NOT jewish and never claimed to be futhermore I studied the origins of judaism and christianity and the reasons for the differences in beliefs about jesus you guys have.So if you wanna go into specifics about jewish prophecies about the coming messiahs,passaages,verses that aer interpreted as such then it would be WISE to consult with some that is ACTUALLY a part of the faith.Now having said that I do NOT believe that any passages from the Hebrew bible point to jesus based on what you christians interpret.I have corresponded with JEWS who’s ancestors aer responsible for writing the text they follow and the beliefs that were passed onto them from Yawheh whicch they have followed for centuries.So my information about what the jews believe and follow acccording to hebrew text was obtained from JEWISH sources because that’s what you do when you wanna learn about a specific belief you go to the SOURCE you don’t go to the OPPOSING belief for information that just ridiclous.)

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  51. Richard Williams says:

    BEGINNING AND END

    ( Okay my bad I didn’t see the HIGHLIGHTED issues you wanted me to address so here we go

    He is despised and rejected of men

    ( Who is despised and rejected by men does it SPECIFICALLY say Jesus?? “NO!! it does not this is a clear case of christians MISINTERPRETING jewish text )

    But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

    ( My comments above also apply to this as well I have seen these passages before in my past dealings with christians and when I PRESENT this to jewish sources they have a DIFFERENT interpretation that does NOT point to the christians jesus.So seeing as how the JEWS were chosen by Yawheh to write his word don’t you think he would have been smart enough to make sure his people knew who the messiah would be and how to recognise him?? So obviously if this is in the hebrew text and sanctioned by Yawheh as his DIVINE word of course his people would he very well versed and knowlegdable about their own bible and how to interpret it without needing the assistance of christians)

    because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

    ( okay once again NO specifc mentioning of your christian jesus, you people have taken these passages and put your CHRISTIAN spin on it in a vain attempt to prove your beliefs about jesus )

    Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin

    ( my comments above also apply to this one as well so if you WANT detailed analysis,explanation about these passages CONSULT with a person of the JEWISH faith that’s what I did when I wanted to know about the Jesus discrepancies among christians and jews )

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  52. To r. Williams, I’m not a mainstream anything, you say u don’t believe the bible NT in particular so what do you read? I couldn’t read all these replies if you already said it, I have a tablet that’s slow and the keyboard sucks… I don’t go to church because most are apostate, none I know teach from the bible I know, that’s all I have to go on, I believe in the Ten Commandments and I think the OT is just as important to read and study, I never tell people about my beliefs but if they ask I will, I never tell anyone they are a sinner, or to someone whos loved one just killed their self “you know they went to hell ” this was said by a church going Christian…

    I couldn’t believe my ears when i heard that, the bible says that Satan deceives the whole world, buts that’s in the NT, I bet if I studied long enuf I could find it in the OT also, I think that none of us has it right completely, I also think that God is more than able to keep His Word to us keep it accurate how else can we know Him?

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    • Richard Williams says:

      CLT

      To r. Williams, I’m not a mainstream anything, you say u don’t believe the bible NT in particular so what do you read? I couldn’t read all these replies if you already said it, I have a tablet that’s slow and the keyboard sucks… I don’t go to church because most are apostate, none I know teach from the bible I know, that’s all I have to go on, I believe in the Ten Commandments and I think the OT is just as important to read and study, I never tell people about my beliefs but if they ask I will, I never tell anyone they are a sinner, or to someone whos loved one just killed their self “you know they went to hell ” this was said by a church going Christian…

      ( If you follow and believe the New Testament as the holy word of your god then you are a mainstream christian which consists of Baptist,Calvanist,Protestant,Pentacostal,Presbyterian,Episcopal,Methodist,Lutheran and Evangelical and please don’t say your not part of any religion that you just follow JESUS because all bible based beliefs about Jesus come from the New Testament a RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE and the reason I say “mainstream” is because all of you guys MAINLY follow the new testament whether you all interpret it the exact same way doesn’t matter it’s still the MAIN source of your faith because you beileve it to be the word of your god.I was a catholic growing up then went baptist as an adult but now I’m a Gnostic Christian and we do NOT adhere to any biblical text to have a relationship with our creator because our beliefs aer SPIRITUAL where as the other christian beliefs are RELIGIOUS. The 10 commandments do NOT apply to christians or any other non-jewish person they appear ONLY in the jewish bible,they were given to moses who was a jew by his god YAWHEH God of Isreal who chose the JEWS as his people and gave the commandments to moses for the isrealites.The OT is NOT important to the jews because it’s NOT the same book they have called the TORAH so the OT is only important to christians but for all the WRONG reasons)

      I couldn’t believe my ears when i heard that, the bible says that Satan deceives the whole world, buts that’s in the NT, I bet if I studied long enuf I could find it in the OT also, I think that none of us has it right completely, I also think that God is more than able to keep His Word to us keep it accurate how else can we know Him?

      ( I can assure you that what the jews believe about satan and what there text says is totally different from christianity,first of all satan is not gods enemy more like his little errrand boy well at least for the jews god YAWHEH in christianity satan is the enemy constantly trying to stop god JEHOVAH at every turn.Well you see that’s the problem it depends on which book you consider to be the word of god?? the torah or the new testament they aer NOT the same book the OT is a christianised version of the jewish torah and is NOT used by any orthodox,conservative jew only used by messianic jews and chriastians.If you were to ask them about the OT they would say it has NO significance in the jewish faith.So the only way to know God is PERSONALLY one on one without all the religious dogma bible,worship,fellowship or relligious doctriine,God is not a religion so why would he want us to know him in that manner?? )

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      • you don’t know me or my heart, you don’t know what I believe, I’m studying the Torah and the Israelites life in Moses day, so again I say don’t call me religious, or accuse me of mainly following the NT, I believe in following The 10 Commandments, obeying God in all He says… I have no dogma, the 10 commandments are more binding than ever, but we can keep with the Holy Spirit…and you know what I dont care what you think, I don’t think satan is the enemy trying to stop God, to dismiss the NT is foolishness, have you ever read revelation, when these prophesies come pass, please think of me and I told you so…

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  53. Nephesh roi says:

    “If so then you need to have a JEW interpret it for you because I’m NOT jewish and never claimed to be futhermore I studied the origins of judaism and christianity and the reasons for the differences in beliefs about jesus you guys have.So if you wanna go into specifics about jewish prophecies about the coming messiahs,passaages,verses that aer interpreted as such then it would be WISE to consult with some that is ACTUALLY a part of the faith”…………… “So my information about what the jews believe and follow acccording to hebrew text was obtained from JEWISH sources because that’s what you do when you wanna learn about a specific belief you go to the SOURCE you don’t go to the OPPOSING belief for information that just ridiclous.”

    “So seeing as how the JEWS were chosen by Yawheh to write his word don’t you think he would have been smart enough to make sure his people knew who the messiah would be and how to recognise him?? So obviously if this is in the hebrew text and sanctioned by Yawheh as his DIVINE word of course his people would he very well versed and knowlegdable about their own bible and how to interpret it without needing the assistance of christians”

    “so if you WANT detailed analysis,explanation about these passages CONSULT with a person of the JEWISH faith that’s what I did when I wanted to know about the Jesus discrepancies among christians and jews” ———— Richard Williams

    You have forgotten one important thing, dear Richard.

    The New Testament IS the JEWISH interpretation of the Torah!!!!!!!!!

    Jesus’ disciples all were orthodox Jews!!!

    Almost all the New Testament books were written by orthodox Jews!!!

    The Gentile Christians simply followed the Jewish New Testament interpretation of the Torah.

    I agree with you on one point: that the later Gentile Christians have twisted the concepts of this new Jewish interpretation. But they have not meddled with the original Jewish New Testament books!

    So, much of your accusations on New Testament faith is simply misplaced!

    CONCLUSION

    1) The New Testament is the orthodox JEWISH explanations/interpretations;

    2) When a Gentile Christian is reading the New Testament, he is actually consulting the JEWISH experts who were ACTUALLY a part of the orthodox Jewish faith of their fathers;

    3) So our information about what the Jews believe and follow acccording to Hebrew text was obtained from original JEWISH sources;

    4) So, seeing as how the JEWS were chosen by Yawheh to write His Word we do think He is smart enough to make sure His people knew who the Messiah would be and how to recognise Him without error; and

    5) So, obviously if this is in the Hebrew text and sanctioned by Yawheh as His DIVINE Word, of course, His Jewish people who prepared the New Testament would be very well versed and knowlegdable about their own Bible and how to interpret it without needing the assistance of christians;

    So, the New Testament is as Jewish as the Old Testament/Torah. Gentile Christians did NOT write them!!!

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    • Richard Williams says:

      You have forgotten one important thing, dear Richard.
      The New Testament IS the JEWISH interpretation of the Torah!!!!!!!!!
      Jesus’ disciples all were orthodox Jews!!!

      ( That is a LIE!!! The new testament was put together 300 yrs after christianity was formed and it was done so by GENTILE christians “NOT” Isrealite Christians,when a group of orthodox jews split from judaism and formed the first christian faith Orthodox Christianity they did NOT have a biblical text at the time,Early christianity was still very close to Judaism but when it was decided that gentiles should be allowed into the new faith by Paul convincing his fellow chrisitans that laid the groundwork for the new testament later on down the road.BUT!!! by allowing gentiles into christianitry it created many problems and this is when christianitry started to drift further and further away from it’s jewish roots.Remember gentiles at that time were mostly made up of PAGANS which is responsible for the creation of the Catholic Christian faith which became the DOMINANT form of christianity at the time and still is today in many parts of the world.So by the time the new testament was being canonised by Constantine the majority of christians were GENTILES and the jewish-christians were a minority just like they are today.Even though many christians say the new testament is a completion,continuation of the torah that is NOT the case.The torah was whole,complete FINISHED when Yawheh God of Isreal chose his people to write his word and carry out his will NO where in any jewish text will you find any passages that say Yahweh wanted ANOTHER text,covenant or religion undre the christian faith.You don’t use another bible to interpret the torah that is totally ridiculous and an INSULT to the jewish faith.The New Testament is the Chrisitanised version of the Torah that is what you should have said it was NEVETR written by Orthodox jews in fact no one really knows who the REAL authors of the gospels are, you see.Mark,Matthew,John and Luke just had there names “attached” by christian scribes bible scholars say theere is absolutely no proof that they were acutyally involved in the writting of the christian gospels because of the time frames involved many were written LONG after succh events occured or just retold,rehashed,re-written nothng was being written in real time while the supposed events were occuring many things in the bible were written centuries later.You see the bibe wasn’t put together in a week,month or years we aer talkingh about CENTURIES of time between everything that you have in the bible because going back to constantine up until the king james version and today the bible has been changed,altered,revised,re-written,translated,re-translated,copied,re-copied so many times throiughout its history it’s absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for christians to say with certaintity that everything it says is fact and the people in it were actually involved in it’s writing,creation etc…. )

      Almost all the New Testament books were written by orthodox Jews!!!

      ( NO that’s not true because when orthodox jews split off from judaism and formed orthodox christianity they did NOT have a completed,canonised text no official bible existed at the time.All they had were manuscripts which many christians did,It wasn’t until Constantine got involved when he decided to bring everything in order by decidinig what was valid and what was not which he did for his own political purposes not by some divine intervention or command from Yahweh.So by this time 300 yrs later Gentile christians were the MAJORITY so they are responsible for it now had the new testament been assembled BEFORE then it would have had orthodox jews involved but that is not the case )

      The Gentile Christians simply followed the Jewish New Testament interpretation of the Torah.

      (WRONG!!! The new testament wasn’t jewish it was Christian and was put together by Gentile christians when Catholicism was sanctioned by Constantine as the main religion of the Roman Empire Orthodox christianity was the first form of christianity but it was pushed aside by Catholicism thanks to Paul for convincing his brotheren to allow gentiles into the faith.And seeing as how only a minority of jews converted to christianity it was NECESSARY to allow gentiles in otherwise christianity would not have flourished due to the limited number of converts available.So by the time the new testament was made into official doctrine CATHOLICISM was in charge NOT Orthodox Christianity)

      I agree with you on one point: that the later Gentile Christians have twisted the concepts of this new Jewish interpretation. But they have not meddled with the original Jewish New Testament books!

      ( There was no jewish version only christian what you are refering to are jewish-christian manuscripts but these were NOT authentic new testament docrtine/books.Show me in the hebrew bible where Yawheh told these orthodox jews to make ANOTHER bible a jewish new testament!!! That is ridiculous Yawheh told the jews to write his word the TORAH thats it!! PERIOD!! He never told anyone to write any other book and I told you when those jews split off and formed Orthodox Christianity they did NOT have a bible at the time they probably had manuscripts but NO jewish new testament that didn’t arrive until 300 yrs later)

      So, much of your accusations on New Testament faith is simply misplaced!
      CONCLUSION
      1) The New Testament is the orthodox JEWISH explanations/interpretations;

      ( WRONG )

      2) When a Gentile Christian is reading the New Testament, he is actually consulting the JEWISH experts who were ACTUALLY a part of the orthodox Jewish faith of their fathers;

      ( WRONG!! The new testament is NOT part of the jewish faith it’s not even part of the holy books of judaism they NEVER included it with there own doctrine when it was creatred because it was blasphemy and not approved by Yawheh )

      3) So our information about what the Jews believe and follow acccording to Hebrew text was obtained from original JEWISH sources;

      ( WRONG!!!! The jews and chrisitans do not share the same beliefs,do not share the same doctrine,and do not worship the same god,what you have is a christianised verision of the torah put together by GENTILE christians.No jewish text says jesus is the messiah,no jewish text says jesus was god in the flesh,no jewish text says you have to accept christ as saviour and repent of your sins to enter heaven,no jewish text says you will burn for eternity in hell because of sin )

      5) So, obviously if this is in the Hebrew text and sanctioned by Yawheh as His DIVINE Word, of course, His Jewish people who prepared the New Testament would be very well versed and knowlegdable about their own Bible and how to interpret it without needing the assistance of christians;

      ( WRONG!!!! This is just your biased religious christian opinion what you fail to understand is that NO where in hebrew text did Yawheh say he wanted ANOTHER book written under the christian faith the only book he sanctioned as his divine word was the Jewish bible “TENAKH” which contains the 5 books of moses “Pentateuch” Deutoronomy,Exodus,Numbers,Leviticus and Genesis known as the Torah and incorrectly named by christians as the Old Testament nothing in the jewish bible is old to the jews everything is current,complete without needing any addition,assistance from christianity )

      So, the New Testament is as Jewish as the Old Testament/Torah. Gentile Christians did NOT write them!!!

      ( WRONG!!!That is an outright lie my friend ask any jew today and I’m not talking about messianic jews they are a minority I’m talking about ALL the jews that follow judaism ONLY and do not accept jesus as the messiah ask any one of them and they will tell you that YOUR new testament is NOT accepted in any way shape or form as authentic jewish text.You gentile christians have tainted,disrespected,manipulated the jewish text in a vain attempt at trying to validate your flawed jesus messiah beliefs, not to mention how you insult the jews with your nonsense it’s unbelievable the lengths you people will go to continue a lie )

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      • Nephesh roi says:

        “That is a LIE!!! The new testament was put together 300 yrs after christianity was formed” – Richard Williams

        You are unnecessarily confused between “writing” and “compilation”!

        You may be partially right about the “compilation” of the canon in 300s. But the compilation has occurred several times even later in history. Examples are the Council of Trent in 1546 in which Roman Catholic Church “compiled” the final canon, Synod of Jerusalem in 1676 in which the Greek Orthodox “compiled” their canon etc etc.

        None of these “compilation” councils mean that the New Testament books were written either in 1546 or 1676!!!!!!!!!!

        The New Testament books were all written in the life time of the original Apostles. And all books except possibly the book of Revelation, were written well before the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple!
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        “but when it was decided that gentiles should be allowed into the new faith by Paul convincing his fellow chrisitans” – Richard Williams

        Absolutely WRONG!!!

        It was NOT Paul who introduced the Gentiles into the Faith!!!

        It was the very Apostle PETER, the Apostle for the Jews, who was used by God to open the gates of the Faith to the Gentiles!!!

        If by any chance you do not hate the books of the New Testament, please try to read the Acts chapter 10 which describes in detail the first ever conversion of the first ever Gentile convert, Cornelius!!!

        It is much afterwards (in chapter 13) that Saul aka Paul and Barnabas are separated for their gentile Work!!!!!!!!!! (Please double check your facts are right first).

        Again the acceptance of the Gentiles was very much IN LINE with the TORAH because in several places in the Torah God says He will join the Gentile nations to Himself!!!

        Just one sample from the very Hebrew Torah: “And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people” (Zechariah 2:3)!
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        “The torah was whole,complete FINISHED when Yawheh God of Isreal chose his people to write his word and carry out his will NO where in any jewish text will you find any passages that say Yahweh wanted ANOTHER text,covenant or religion undre the christian faith.” — Richard Williams

        You are again absolutely wrong!!!

        The Torah itself proclaims that the Torah or Law will be finished and complete ONLY among the disciples of the Messiah!!!

        There is a powerful prophecy in Hebrew Isaiah about the coming of the Messiah who is projected as the “Stone -of-Stumbling” to BOTH the houses of Israel and Judah.

        This prophecy in Isaiah 8:14-15 predicts that the MAINSTREAM JEWS WILL REJECT THE MESSIAH AT HIS COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        “And He shall be for a sanctuary, and for a stone of stumbling, and for a rock of FALLING to the two houses of Israel; for a trap and for a snare to the ones living in Jerusalem. And MANY among them shall stumble and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.”

        YET, Yahweh says that His Law will be finished and complete only among the disciples of this REJECTED Messiah!!!:

        “Bind up the Testimony, seal the LAW among My disciples.” (Isaiah 8:16)

        There it is in the Torah itself that the Torah will be complete only among the disciples of the rejected Messiah!!!!!!!!!
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        “it was NEVETR written by Orthodox jews in fact no one really knows who the REAL authors of the gospels are” – Richard Williams

        Why didn’t you read the comment of Beginning and End addressed to you? I give below his comment:

        “You can simply go to our article, Did Jesus Exist? Proving Jesus Without The Bible, to see links to copies of actual manuscripts from the 2nd century of the New Testament, which alone disproves your entire argument that Scriptures were not written until after 333 AD. Additionally, we have the writings of second century church fathers like Polycarp and Tertulian, who quote the New Testament in their writings. All again, before 333 AD.” — B&E —

        Yes, early church fathers like Clement of Rome, Polycarp, Irenaeus et al quoted profusely from several of the New Testament books proving that these books were extant in late first century and early second century etc.!

        And you think for yourself whether it is justice on your part to ask us to trust you, Richard, who is removed neatly by 21 long centuries from that time, instead of trusting the fathers who lived in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries and strongly witnessed on the historical veracity of the New Testament!!!
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        “and today the bible has been changed,altered,revised,re-written,translated,re-translated,copied,re-copied so many times throiughout its history it’s absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for christians to say with certaintity that everything it says is fact” — Richard Williams

        Things are not as lost as you project them to be!

        If you haven’t read yet, please read the article mentioned by B&E. Of all the ancient literary works, the New Testament has, by far, the best accreditation. There are about 5000 full manuscripts of the NT (I write from memory)!!!!! If you consider the various innumerable fragments and the earliest translations the number still goes up.

        So indeed if there are any alterations, the scholars can have easy methods to find out and correct them!
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        “That is an outright lie my friend ask any jew today and I’m not talking about messianic jews they are a minority I’m talking about ALL the jews that follow judaism ONLY and do not accept jesus as the messiah ask any one of them and they will tell you that YOUR new testament is NOT accepted in any way shape or form as authentic jewish text.” —- Richard Williams

        First of all, spirituality is NOT decided by Majority, my friend. If it is so, you wouldn’t be a Gnostic because that is only a very minority. Did you ask any Jew before accepting Gnosticism?! I am sure not!

        If I am to go after the majority, I would be a Hindu or Buddhist or Catholic or Confusian etc!!!

        But that is not the way it works!

        If you ask 100 Jews, you will get 101 different opinions!!!

        Instead we go to the source, the Hebrew Tanakh and compare it with our Greek New Testament to see whether what is said in the latter is in agreement with the former.

        If I accept both the Hebrew Tanakh and the Greek Testimony, that is solely on the merit of these two works!!! Not because some Jews told me or some Christians told me!!!!!

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        • Richard Williams says:

          NEPESH ROI

          You are again absolutely wrong!!!
          The Torah itself proclaims that the Torah or Law will be finished and complete ONLY among the disciples of the Messiah!!!There is a powerful prophecy in Hebrew Isaiah about the coming of the Messiah who is projected as the “Stone -of-Stumbling” to BOTH the houses of Israel and Judah. This prophecy in Isaiah 8:14-15 predicts that the MAINSTREAM JEWS WILL REJECT THE MESSIAH AT HIS COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!“And He shall be for a sanctuary, and for a stone of stumbling, and for a rock of FALLING to the two houses of Israel; for a trap and for a snare to the ones living in Jerusalem. And MANY among them shall stumble and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.”YET, Yahweh says that His Law will be finished and complete only among the disciples of this REJECTED Messiah!!!:“Bind up the Testimony, seal the LAW among My disciples.” (Isaiah 8:16)There it is in the Torah itself that the Torah will be complete only among the disciples of the rejected Messiah!!!!!!!!!

          ( And this is from the torah and NOT from your OT?? Now in response to this let me ask you a question if the torah is NOT complete/finished where does it say that your “Christian” New Testament will be the tool to make it complete?? Because christians are always telling me that your doctrine is the completion,continuation,extension of the Torah but provide no proof so I want you to show me from the hebrew text where it SPECIFICALLY mentions “Christianity” as a continuation or created to fulfill what was prophecised in the torah )

          Now my final response is this since you guys are always wanting me to read or watch christian related information regarding our topic of discussion ( and by the way I have seen and read the things you have mentioned before this isn’t my first rodeo with you folks ) I have something I WANT you to see it will explain why I do not believe your new testament to be authentic in any way it’s a 45 min video so please watch when you have time it goes into further detail about the things I brought up here is the link: and I want you to respond to this video because it pretty much backs up what I was saying about your bible.

          http://www.history.com/shows/bible-secrets-revealed/videos/bible-secrets-revealed-lost-in-translation

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          • Nephesh roi says:

            “And this is from the torah and NOT from your OT??” —– Richard Williams

            I don’t find much difference between the two. Both refers to the same Hebrew Text considered Sacred by both Jews and Christians. The names/titles may differ but the Text is the same for both!

            We call it “Old” Testament NOT because the Text is outdated or rejected but because it contains the Old Covenant!

            We call the Greek Text as “New” Testament NOT because it is to be placed above the Hebrew Text but because it contains the New Covenant made between God and the same Jews!!

            This New Covenant was again powerfully prophesied in the Hebrew Torah:

            “Behold, the days come, says Jehovah, that I will cut a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, NOT according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt (which covenant of Mine they broke, although I was a husband to them, says Jehovah). But this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, declares Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” (Jeremiah 31:31-33)

            So the NT is perfectly in line with this beautiful prophecy of the OT when God cut a new covenant with the Jews and poured Holy Spirit into the hearts of the believing Jews so that God’s laws were engraved in their character!

            An in-septh study of such several Hebrew prophecies regarding the New Covenant and the Messiah will show that several of these predictions have been accurately fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth at His first coming and still several of those are yet to be fulfilled at His second coming!
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            “let me ask you a question if the torah is NOT complete/finished where does it say that your “Christian” New Testament will be the tool to make it complete??” —– Richard Williams

            If you particularly don’t like the term “Christian”, then use “Jesusian” or “Messiahn” or “Nazarene” etc. because whatever term you use, the theological concept is the same!!

            I have given you the Hebrew prophecy regarding the completion of the Law and Testimony. There it says, the LAW will be completed and SEALED among the disciples of the Messiah!!!!

            Well, the Apostles of Jesus, the Messiah are these disciples mentioned in the Hebrew Text!
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            “………. extension of the Torah but provide no proof so I want you to show me from the hebrew text where it SPECIFICALLY mentions “Christianity” as a continuation or created to fulfill what was prophecised in the torah” — Richard Williams

            Here is the first Hebrew text that says Moses expected something more to be added later to the Torah:

            “There are some things that the LORD our God has kept secret; but he has revealed his Law (Torah), and we and our descendants are to obey it forever.” (Deuteronomy 29:29)

            Here Moses himself says that God has some plans reserved for humanity but He has revealed His Law, the first part, to the Hebrews. Something more, a second part, was to come.

            Moses continues:

            “Jehovah your God will raise up to you a Prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, One like me. To Him you shall listen” (Deut 18:15).

            This prophesied Prophet was Jesus of Nazareth. See what a learned Jew has testified:

            “For the Law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17).

            So you see, even the Hebrew Moses was aware that God was only revealing a part of His plan to Israel at that time. The latter part was to be revealed by a later Prophet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            This exactly is shared by Hebrew Isaiah when he prophesied that the Law and the Testimony/Gospel will be completed by the Messiah’s disciples as I have said in my earlier post!!!

            And more importantly, the Hebrew Isaiah asks everyone including the Jews to listen to the COMPLETED Law and the Testimony/Gospel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:

            To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isaiah 8:20).

            So according to the Hebrew Text, the Torah and the Gospel go hand in hand. This exactly is the style of the New Testament saints of God:

            “Here is the patience of the saints. Here are the ones who keep the commandments of God (Torah) and the faith of Jesus (Testimony/Gospel).” (Revelation 14:12)!!!

            No, the fact is inescapable, Richard, that the Greek Text complements the Hebrew Text. This is a “stand-on-its-own” fact!!!

            This hard fact does not require any support from Jewish Majority or Christian Majority!!
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            P.S.: – The link you have provided does not work on my computer which was stuck/hung. So if you provide the summary of the clip, I will appreciate. Thanks.

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    • Jesus and his disciples were JUDEANS, not “Jews”. There is a difference.

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  54. Another twisted re-telling of a biblical story by the FAKE, Satanic Joos in Kabbalahwood.

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  55. Great article, to tell you the truth I’m not surprised in the least that its not biblical I mean its Hollywood. Definitely wont be giving this movie my money.

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  56. Beginning and End:
    Hi Christin,

    Thanks for your comments. I respect your viewpoint and have heard it before. I would just ask: where in the Bible are we told that Seth’s sons and Cain’s daughters had children together? What in Scripture are you basing this on? God bless. -B&E

    Reading thoughtfully and analytically, it is all spelled out. If we recognize that Angels are Spirit not flesh, this basic belief must ensure to us that they could not bare children. Luke 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage(speaking of us when we join the Lord), but are as the angels of God in heaven.(How are we like the angels…not joined in marriage, because they the Angels do not marry. Gods Word is to be believed.)

    Read Genesis 4 & 5. You will see the building up of the generations that came from Adam…

    Genesis6:1
    And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    —Obviously there is a difference between these “sons of God” and daughters of men…—

    3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    —Why does it say here that mans spirit will not always strive with God? God says because man is flesh… man is following after the flesh. Seth’s descendents were God’s people as best they could be… However Cain’s descendents did not follow after the things of God…. What happens when a man and woman are unequally yoked? Certainly their children would not be strong in the ways of the Lord, mothers have a huge influence over their children’s faith. would these daughters of men raise their children up to know the Lord…uh NO.—-

    4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    —This portion is in response to the idea that these giants came from this union of DOM and SOG …
    If you understand what “and also after that” means you will know the Giants existed prior to these men of renown, that were in fact the product of the union of the DOM and SOG.

    God Bless, I hope I answered your question.

    PS, If you read Genesis you will see that God does not approve of his Children intermarrying with unbelievers. The results are less than what God wants.
    2 Corinthians 6:14
    Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

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  57. Anyone who’s looking for any movie to be an accurate account of any book is in for a disappointment. The biblical story of Noah is too short to make a movie, so yeah, they’re going to have to add stuff and make up a lot of details.

    The biblical story of Noah really wouldn’t sell (as a movie) in this day and age, so I see why they turn it into an environmentalist’s wet dream. I don’t think that it’s intended to be propaganda though, just a really dumb way to make it relevant to modern society (something a lot of movie are doing lately that’s really really dumb, as if historical context flies over peoples’ heads, like they’re in 5th grade. (No, really, I’m serious. The average movie is written for a 5th grade level of intelligence, that’s an actual statistic that you’ll read in guides about script-writing.))

    As much as a lot of people would really like to have the bible turned into a movie, it’s not going to happen, especially for the OT stuff. There’s way too many short stories that have an overly complex or overly simplified message, and a good portion of stuff that really isn’t story material at all (Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, etc.). No reasonable person would pay to see 2 hours of ancient Hebrew Law Code being recited.

    That being said, it’s important to remember that movies are not a direct portrayal of the bible at all, and for the most part, they aren’t trying to be either. You’re right, it really is just Hollywood being lazy and uncreative, and picking up an old story, changing a few details to make it “sexier,” and slapping on some half-assed modern societal issues (oh, environmentalism is a thing, let’s make this about the environment! Oh, west vs. middle-east is a thing, let’s make 300 have subtle similarities about the wars in the middle-east). This isn’t the bible, God Almighty probably has better things to do than get all fussy about yet-another-Russell Crowe-movie, watching Russell Crowe needlessly turn an ordinary person into a moronic axe-or-sword-or-bow-wielding hero.

    This movie is going to be stupid for plenty of other reasons, and I’m still going to go see it just like I saw Olympus has Fallen (really really stupid), and just like I’ll probably see Pacific Rim (awesome-dumb-robot movie) whenever it gets to Netflix.

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  58. Flashy, you are funny and quite right, I’ll see it on DVD for a dollar just so I can make fun of it and laugh at it, I really liked your post… clt

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  59. Hm, another movie that skews the “facts” about a man and his boat. So what? If you believe the Bible, that shouldn’t matter to you. Funny thing about this critique and most of the commentary below it — the author is writing as if he EXPECTS the director to stay true to the Bible. It really should not be any surprise that a Hollywood director is making a movie with a loose connection to the Bible, while not getting some of the “facts” straight.

    Besides that, many religions older than the OT have similar myths. Perhaps that is where Mr. Aronofsky is drawing some of his inspiration for the film.

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  60. Charles Darwin says:

    Evolution has a lot of work to do!

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  61. You all do realize that he was taking this from his graphic novel, not from the Bible right? I’m not arguing for or against, just letting you know that this movie was never meant to be a re-telling of the Biblical account, only an adaptation of the graphic novel he had co-authored earlier. It’s how I’m going to be telling my friends about it. If they have additional questions about the Bible’s account, I’ll just let them know what I konw. BTW, I will not reply to any comments left under my post. I just wanted to let this community know what’s going on.

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  62. Same as with Legion; painted God in a bad light. I did not watch it.

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  63. This isn’t even a Christian story. It is found in the “old testament,” – the Torah.

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  64. Um. Ok. Does anyone seriously believe the whole “it had never rained on the Earth before that point in history” bit? Because…that is a serious and fundamental misunderstanding of how H2O and the water cycle work.

    Rain comes from clouds, which form as a result of evaporation. When clouds build up enough, the water in them condenses and falls back to Earth. Basically, so long as evaporation was occurring (and, as a natural behavior of any liquid, it would have been), there would have been rain. This whole “there was no rain before the flood” business is utterly ridiculous. It’s based on an outdated set of beliefs about the structure of the universe.

    The ancient Judaic belief was that the universe was essentially made up of layers. The lowest was the the lower waters, or underworld (sheol); the middle was the earth (eres); and the highest was a solid firmament called “Heaven”, in which all the “lights” (sun, moon, stars, etc.) were hung, and above which the “upper waters” were stored (as described in Genesis 1). Rain (as well as snow, sleet, etc) was believed to fall when god would open windows in the firmament and allow the upper waters to fall to earth (as seen in Genesis 7:11). This belief explained rainfall to a people who did not understand the natural processes of evaporation and condensation. But now that we do understand these things, it’s pretty obvious that these beliefs are ludicrous, and that any belief dependent on these beliefs (such as the belief that, at any point in recorded history, when there was water on the surface of the earth, rain never fell) is unwarranted.

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  65. I couldn’t even finish reading this. I only got as far as the snake argument. I am a Christian and I support Biblical accuracy, but if we expect Hollywood to be accurate we must be accurate too. Your first argument is that Noah was only asked to bring two snakes onto the ark. Well, there are over 2,500 different species of snakes (and I’m using the lowest estimates)…. that would equate to over 5,000 snakes that would have had to be on the ark. If you are going to make arguments against Hollywood’s interpretation, be correct. Otherwise you make Christians sound completely ignorant – and that’s when people are turned away!

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    • Sidney Burrows says:

      The ignorance is only demonstrated by those who refuse to become acquainted with the author of the book. We are dealing with the creator not with man,s puny knowledge. Further regarding rain we read that before the flood the earth was watered by a mist coming up from the ground to water the earth,this same water from the earth added to the rain as the caverns were opened up combined to cause the flood, Noah was then given a guarantee by God that a similar thing will not occur again and a rainbow to remind mankind of that promise. Man has since the beginning has contrived to disprove the existence and or the truth of god because his desire is to live contrary to the will of God but God will fulfill his will No matter what man may contrive in his heart.

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  66. Does anyone else see what is wrong with this movie? There are no PEOPLE of color. None. God saves 8 people who are everyone on the planets ancestors. The women we get our mitochondrial DNA from, etc. and they are all caucasian? This is going to ALIENATE many Christianss of color. And it’s true, we don’t know what they looked like but the spirit of God is telling me it definately wasn’t 100% white. This is disappointing beyond belief.

    Noah isn’t just the Jews story. It’s not just the Christan story. It’s the story of us all. God’s grace and mercy and redemption, except it seems if one isn’t white..this story does not include them. How sad most christians viewing this trailer cannot see it.

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  67. There is much controversy over the “Sons of God” who fathered the “Nephilim”. Was is fallen angels or the descendants of Seth who were also called the sons of God.
    Never mind all that, the enemy of our souls is a liar. The Lord Jesus Christ said that. Why does it surprise you that the Entertainment Industry which is driven by at least one of the ‘7 deadly sins’ would twist and distort the biblical account in the interest of making money off of unsuspecting disciples of The Messiah?
    Time for a reality check and a wake-up call. Christians, engage your brains!

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  68. Humans did not give birth to half angels. The Sons of God are the Godly men, took for themselves daughters of men (godless women) and they bore children to them. We now have Godly men and ungodly women mixing and raising godless children. The King James Version of the Bible does not use the word Nephilim but Giants instead. So Giants were on the land at the time ransacking the land. This is not hard to conceive that godless giants would become a race of man hunting champions.

    While there are witches that have claimed to have sex with demons there is not one record of them giving birth to a baby.

    Anyway I thought Russel Crowe proffessed to be a christian, I like his acting, anyway I wont be seeing this piece of trash movie.

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    • Brad Jenks says:

      How do you know they didn’t? The Bible says that a group, specified over and against the other, intermarried and had a race of giants. And Jewish tradition holds two opinions on the matter. One taking the words as mysteriously as they are given, and another looking for a terrestrial explanation, ignoring that the offspring are shocking (which wouldn’t make sense because of the similar DNA between brothers, why on earth would that result in a sudden breed of giants?). I love that of all the cosmic, supernatural, and unexpected stuff, THAT is just too much for you. Sticks can turn into snakes, donkeys can talk, people can return from the dead, seas can be parted, and living men can be taken to heaven in fiery chariots. But angels can’t lust and transgress, even though, it is suggested that exactly that happened, and that we known angels fall (Satan).

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  69. Where are the damned dinosaurs?!

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  70. King Og of Bashan couldn’t have lived after the flood. Genesis 7:23 says: “And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.”

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  71. The Watchers are fallen angels in this movie. In the Bible the fallen angels were angels that fell with satan and in this movie these demons are portrayed as heroes helping Noah build the ark and protecting his family. Biggest bunch of garbage and this is Hollywood cashing in for Christians dumb enough to believe it will help bring people to God. God is portrayed as evil, Noah is portrayed as crazy wanting to kill his own grandchild if it’s born a girl.

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  72. Sidney burrows says:

    Don:
    Yeah, Jesus Christ is the most hated name on planet Earth.That’s why no less than five of the 20 or so TV channels I get have exclusively Christian content.So they can say how much everybody hates Jesus.That’s why Atheists are the most trusted people in North America.Because everybody hates Jesus.Try again.

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  73. And this is why I no longer consider myself a christian. Not the movie, I plan on seeing it, but the crazy idiots who are arguing about how “right” they are about God, the bible, and Jesus. Christians have tuned into a bunch of self-righteous blabbermouths, quoting the english version of a book that is totally lost to us and only copies remain. Those who say they KNOW the words of God are the worst. Be humble and meek, not loud and brash in your defense of Christ because surely as the world turns, you are wrong.

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    • Whatever, you don’t believe the bible so what, I forget what I wanted to say, I have to get some sleep…bye now. May God bless all! Nite nite…

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      • Sidney burrows says:

        I am a Christian of 59 years I have studied and continues to study the Bible which is the inerrant Word of God and believe all that is written in it to be true and correct. I I alobeljieve what Christ has said that the gates of. He’ll will not prevail against the Church of Jesus Christ or Jis word. I have ministered that word for all of my Christian life and will continue to do so. Those who hate the name of Jesus let me say that the day will come that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, so why not do it now and avoid the embarrassment later on. It is inevitable not one will escape it.

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  74. I’m not seeing this movie because the truth is not being told. Hollywood should know better than that!!

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  75. After reading this article or part of it and finally realizing that they are not following all the truths to what really happened innthe Bible, is very dissapointing. Which I was super excited to see this, that there will finally be a movie made about Noahs Ark. But, its just surrounded by Hollywood makeup to make people believe thats what really happened. When none of these things in the movie did actually happen. And, its completly off. Which is super dissapointing as a strong christian, to see why make up something. When it was’nt like this at all. Which I will not be seeing because they did not make this movie spot on. For that reason, I won’t be seeing it. And, its sad to think some people are actually going to believe that, that is what happened Gods time. Which is super dissapointing. What a waste this movie is going to be, when its not telling all the truths, and just tons of lies. :/

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  76. Bore Da/Good Morning and Hi
    Hi B&E
    Hollywood has produced epic biblical films from its very humble beginning, when most of the area around Hollywood was vast plantations of orange groves. Not one bible myth or epic have the screen-writers ever got it right, according to the Biblical stories. They have always embellished their productions for the benefit of the audience, and its profits, etc. Hollywood telling the story of Noah will be no different, and it will most probably be a truer depiction of the mythical event than that of the book of Genesis. For it was reported on the 26th January, 2014, that a 4,000 year Mesopotamian clay tablet had been decoded, which tells the story of a great flood, and also giving instructions on how to build an Ark. Some 1,500 years before the biblical story of Noe’s (Noah) Ark (chapter six of the Book of Genesis).[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10594317/Channel-4-to-build-Babylonian-Ark.html] A story that has been told in many ancient culture and religions over several millennia, before the creation of the myth in the Old Testament. B&E introduced their blog on Russell Crowe’s epic new film ‘Noah,’ in January 2013, exactly one year before the press release of Mesopotamian clay tablet, pertaining to an Ark. B&E in their blog warn Christians to beware of a new film coming out in 2014, which they state: ‘will not be in line with the Biblical account.’ What hypocrisy on the part of B&E in the name of Christianity, to enhance yet again another Christian myth as being biblically correct, before that of truth, science, and knowledge. Christians have yet again been caught-out lying for their church, and their God! It is 1845 once again, in that year, the rediscovery of the Codex Sinaiticus (Sinai Bible) proved that zealot gentile Christians wrote the New Testament, and how they perceived their scriptures. Claiming it as the inspiration of their God, by adding thousands upon thousands of additional anomalies and verses, which are absent from the oldest extant Bibles! In the mid 1800’s when knowledge of the rediscovery of Sinaiticus, it brought consternation to both the church and its clergy, with many calling foul, forgery, and fakery. However, posterity proved them wrong, with scholars attesting that the Sinaiticus is probably the oldest extant Bible, along with Codex Vaticanus. Both these codices and other ancient biblical manuscripts, show posterity the deception employed by the church, which has mislead humanity for almost 1,700 years—however, the truth is more like 2,000 years.

    Cofion (regards)
    Jero Jones, Mab Cymru

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  77. Willem Berry says:

    How is using a bible to spread warnings on environmental stability and care bad? — christians, I thought your religion taught of stewardship, and taking care of the world?

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    • John 8:23
      Pagans and unbelievers are of this world,”faithful” Christians have a “higher” kingdom to call home.
      King James Version (KJV)

      23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John 18:36

      King James Version (KJV)

      36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Matthew 12:25-27

      King James Version (KJV)

      25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

      26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

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  78. Thank you for the warning and review on this movie. After watching the first advertisement for Noah during a Super Bowl commercial, he was excited for us to go to a “decent” movie together and I was able to share your site with him.
    We are both curious how you were able to get detailed information about the movie when it hasn’t been released yet? Thanks again!
    Mary

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  79. Mary:
    Thank you for the warning and review on this movie. After watching the first advertisement for Noah during a Super Bowl commercial, my husband was excited for us to go to a “decent” movie together and I was able to share your site with him.
    We are both curious how you were able to get detailed information about the movie when it hadn’t been released yet? Thanks again!
    Mary

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  80. bearmon2010 says:

    Very true. This movie is really wrong.

    By the way, God has a name. Lord and God are the titles and subjects. The bible revealed God’s name. Jesus mention that too. Jesus said Let your name be sanctified. Check your bible book at PSALM 83:18. The name was removed almost 7,000 times. Sad.

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    • Jehovah is found 7 times in the KJV and not listed at all in the NIV. Very sad. Could you share more information on where else God’s name was removed or where I can get further information on this please?

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    • Hi Bearmon,

      Thanks for your comments. With all due respect, your assertion about The Lord’s name is incorrect. First off, if you are a Christian, you have a very serious responsibility to the faith. If you are going to attack the Bible publicly, you should at least have evidence. But you provide none of this supposed “name conspiracy.”

      So I’m left to assume that you are just promoting Jehovah’s Witness’ false doctrine. So I will try to clear up this issue for you:

      1) the name “Jehovah”- Paleo-Hebrew, the language of ancient, Old Testament Israel, is a lost language. We don’t know how God’s name was pronounced. Hebrew writers represented it as “YHWH.” The name Jehovah was a creation if the 1800s. How can we know this? Because the letter “J” does not exist in Hebrew, Greek or Latin. If you look at an original folio of a 1611 King James Bible, there are no J’s. The letter “I” is used instead. This fact alone refutes the idea of “Jehovah being removed”completely. You have made a bold accusation against the Bible that not only has no evidence, it has no basis in reality.

      2) Who did Moses see in the burning bush? Exodus 6 says it was Jehovah. And in John 1 Scripture tells us that “no man hath seen the Father.” So who did Moses see? He saw God The Son.

      The only way to make your theory work is to contradict Scripture, revise history and defy established grammar. I plead with you to stop spreading false doctrine and consider repenting to The Lord.

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      • bearmon2010 says:

        Hi.

        I didnt say that Jehovah’s Witness. I am aware that God’s name is Jehovah – An acceptable name in English version. I am also aware that there is an I and there is no J, of course.

        To my understanding, Catholic and Baptist churches as well as Protestant are the false doctrine because they dont teach better than JW does. They show me the bible through my own religion, not JW, and to my understand about Birthday, Xmas, Halloween, Valentine’s, and those such things are pagans. So I like to compare JW to my bible book and I find many true about JW that matched to my bible book. No accusation here. God does have a name, period. Jesus is God’s son too. That’s all.

        No, Moses didnt see God The Son. In the name of God spoke to him through the Angel. No man see God and live. Moses was told he could not see God’s face and live.

        Can you tell me… what happened when we died ? Go to heaven ?? New Earth as so called Paradise here that Adam and Eve failed to live forever ? Do you celebrate Xmas, birthday, halloween ? I want to hear your belief.

        Please do not tell me about false doctrine. I am surprised you say that. Jesus himself called his Father’s name.

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        • Hi Bearmon,

          You wrote:


          I am aware that God’s name is Jehovah – An acceptable name in English version. I am also aware that there is an I and there is no J, of course.

          If you know this, then you would know that the “removing God’s name theory” could not possibly be true. The name “Jehovah” is just an anglicized version of the Hebrew Adonai. It is not the English version of the personal name of God in Scripture which is YHWH.

          I am not going to address your other questions about Jehovah’s Witness doctrine because it is not relevant to the article topic. But again, I will say that if you are going to attack the credibility of the Bible, it is your responsibility, if you are a Christian to provide very strong evidence. Thus far you have provided none and now you are claiming to have known along that “Jehovah” was never God’s name, or even a word in the English language, before the 1800s. So given that, I am failing to see why you are still trying to push this “sacred name idea.” It’s totally false doctrine that has no evidence or support. And for you to make such a wild accusation against Scripture and not even attempt to offer any substantive proof of this conspiracy is quite irresponsible.

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          • bearmon2010 says:

            Yeah.. Calm down.. You are so angry. We are here to try and understand each others. Yes, YHWH is the correct word. I am trying to find the true pronounce of God’s name. I do not know if Iehovah or Yahweh is the correct pronounce.

            I understand but I am asking you for other one and you refused to answer mine. I am curious about my question for you. if you arent going to answer me about birthday and Christmas then what you believe is a doctrine too. I am not going to assuming you so do not assumed mine either. We are here to discuss and to understand each others for more evident. That’s what God and Jesus wants us to do. What about heaven or here in the paradise Earth as promised in the bible ? Thats what we all want to hear in your own brief.

            Again, please discuss without angry at us . Thats not what Jesus appreciated you to do. Be humble and keep mind open. We are learning something.

            In the bible, including Noah, Moses, Jesus, and more do not celebrities their birthday and xmas. Those are the pagans and there are no recording for them celebrities those things.

            Also Jesus died on Cross is a false doctrine as well as Jesus wear a long hair is not correct according to the bible. Jesus died on the stake or pole as evidence.

            There are no trinity as well for it is a false doctrine too.

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            • Hi Bearmon,

              I am not angry or upset at all. I am just holding you to your word. This was in your original post:


              “Check your bible book at PSALM 83:18. The name was removed almost 7,000 times. Sad.”

              Since you have posted this, you have not provided any evidence. And you have been proven wrong. Yet you are not retracting your statement. I am happy to engage in a debate. But when you enter the conversation attacking the Bible and are just evasive when pressed for evidence, it is not responsible. The Bible clearly instructs us to “mark those who cause division” and teach things contrary to the faith. (Romans 16:17).

              If you spend time on this site, you will see I am more than willing to have civil, intense discussion with atheists, bible skeptics, muslims and people of all different beliefs. However, when you make such a strong accusation and do not even try to offer any substantive proof (and do no retract your accusation against the Holy Bible), that’s not a debate.

              I apologize if offended you or appeared to be angry. And know that you are welcome to comment on here. But please try to stay on the topic of the thread. Thanks.

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  81. Islam is the right path to go with , we have the story of Noah in Holy quran.life will goes on and we’ll see which religion is right.
    btw Allah is the name of the only God in Islam.

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  82. wm frederick says:

    This film should be spetacular. It will give rise to a million conversations and ten million tweets. I am confident that God loves all of the publicity and will turn it for good. To learm more about Noah, the Nephilim, and the end of days,
    Check out this book on AMAZON KINDLE

    NOAH, THE LOST TABLETS

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  83. ‘On board’ predictive programming and moral alibis
    for the unfolding Globalist MAFIA agenda for EXTERMINATION.

    CROWE —-remains ——–NOWHERE!

    STEP AROUND!

    STEP AROUND!

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  84. So when did we start expecting Hollywood to give us real Biblically authentic stories?

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  85. Let me understand this: you use unnamed sources, and you’ve never seen the film. Intellectually dishonest for a Christian I would think.

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    • Hi Phil,

      Thanks for your comment. I cited the source for the script review, and he happens to be a Hollywood director and writer himself. I also have read the graphic novel the movie was based on, and was written by Aronofsky. All other comments are cited to media sources appropriately. Furthermore, it has already been reported in other media outlets that the movie did not test-screen well in front of Christian and Jewish audience for its inaccuracies. This is from the Hollywood Reporter, in which they report not just this, but that the studio wanted Aronofsky to change the film.

      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/darren-aronofsky-paramount-spar-noah-648777

      You will note the Hollywood Reporter also cite Brian Godawa’s script review. So I do not see any intellectual dishonesty here.

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      • Brian is a friend, and I know he saw a very early draft of the film. Many changes have been made since then. There are issues with Noah, no question. But criticizing a film – especially at this detail – before you’ve actually seen it? I don’t get how you can justify that with any project. And we wonder why the entertainment industry (and the rest of the culture) marginalizes the Christian community…

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        • Hi Phil,

          Ok, well let’s review, because now you are changing the subject. You initially accused me of “intellectual dishonesty” for using “unnamed sources”, even though I named Brian, linked to his article and his IMDB profile. So again, where do you see “intellectual dishonesty”? Who was the “unnamed source” I cited? You have made a brazen accusation and have not provided any evidence to support your assertion.

          Additionally, if Brian is a friend of yours, I am sure you are aware that he just went on Doug Hamp’s radio show to reiterate his criticisms of the Noah film (without seeing the finished product yet). Do you have a problem with this?

          Furthermore, this article was originally written almost a year ago. And it is not just based on Brian’s review of the script draft, but also on the graphic novel (written by Aronofsky himself) and numerous comments made by the writer, director and star of the film on its plot. And they are all completely consistent with the overall point of the article – that this is not a Biblically accurate film. Aronofsky makes no bones or secret that he does not even see the story of Noah as a “religious story.” So I believe that all of the criticism is completely justified and supported by the evidence.

          This movie will no doubt be marketed to churches and many pastors will be ordering busloads of congregants to support this film sight unseen. Do you have an issue with that? Well this ministry does, and we want fellow believers in the Lord Jesus Christ to be aware of the truth about this film and not going in expecting a faithful retelling when it’s clearly not.

          And finally, please know that this article nor any other article on this site is written with the goal to please the entertainment industry. It’s a website that is here to please God. Thanks again for your comments and I welcome your response and any other thoughts you have.

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          • I’m very open to discussions and concerns about anything, and I have no quarrel that the movie has extra-biblical scenes. But I find it difficult to justify launching this kind of attack on anything based on second hand quotes, and a comic book version – without actually having seen the film itself. It does jack up your blog viewers, so good for you. But I can tell you it doesn’t help the work hundreds of Christians inside the industry are trying to do. I respect your freedom to do anything you like on your blog, but I disagree with this strategy. With that, I respectfully bow out… :-)

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            • Hi Phil,

              See actually, you are not open to any discussion or debate on this issue. Instead of actually engaging in a discussion, you have just made unsubstantiated accusations and been evasive and condescending. You have now switches purposes for your comments a third time. You initially accused me of using “unnamed sources” and having no “intellectual honesty.” When I disproved you, instead of retracting your statement or doing the Christian thing to do and repenting of your false accusation, you instead ignored my comments altogether and moved on to another accusation. And now that your second baseless charge has been answered, you continue with a third – that I am now somehow harming Christians in Hollywood and their efforts.

              I am in no way discussing Christians in Hollywood in this article. The director of Noah, who also wrote the movie, is not a Christian. He, by his own statements, is not calling this a “Christian film.” As the artist, it is his work and his prerogative of how it is characterized. This article is affirming the director’s vision of the film - which is to use the Noah story to tell a Non-biblical remix on film. And once again, the goal of the article was to make sure Christians were warned before thinking this would be a faithful retelling when it is absolutely not.

              As I have already said, Brian Godawa, your friend, has recently gone on the radio to reaffirm his same statements about the film. Do you have a problem with him doing this, even though he has not seen it yet? The Hollywood Reporter and Forbes magazine, wrote articles, stating that Noah was not faithful to Scripture and based it on Brian’s script review. Are they hurting Christians and being dishonest as well?

              If you are really trying to work for Christ in Hollywood, then where is the respect for His Word? So far, everything you write is based on your opinions. What is guiding you faith, what YOU think is right, or God’s Word? Because THIS is the dividing line in the church today. This is what is “hurting Christians” a lack of sound doctrine and respect for the authority of the Bible. Jesus Christ said of the Father “sanctify them with thy truth. Thy word is truth.” (John 17:17). If a work is intentionally deviating from God’s Word to the point that it makes Noah a potential psycho serial killer, ignores God’s plan of salvation through Christ, as stated in Genesis 3:15, casts villains as heroes and makes The Lord look irrational, it is not something to be celebrated by Christians. And we should be more concerned with making sure brothers and sisters in the faith are aware of this before they spend money thinking they are supporting a “Christian film.”

              Finally, I am saddened that your fourth accusation, that I wrote this article for blog views. It’s really amazing that you have not made one criticism of this film or Darren Aronofsky but have been completely arrogant, condescending and insulting towards me when I have posted an article that tells the correct, Biblical account of Noah and the flood and sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ accurately. Again, I wonder, are you basing your feelings on Scripture, or just your own opinions of what is right and wrong?

              So while you certainly do not have to respond further, you have not “Respectfully bowed out” by a long shot. I pray you will consider God’s Word on these matters and how you interact with others.

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  86. Well, since the bible was made up anyway and is full of lies…what’s the big deal?? If krixtianz don’t like this movie, I am definitely going to support it.

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  87. Media Tuck says:

    Fascinating – really.

    If I made a movie called “Muhammad” and changed his character into something opposite of what Muslims write about him, wouldn’t they have grounds to be upset? If I wrote a movie called, “Harvey Milk” and cast him as a boring speech teacher instead of a dynamic, gay politician/activist, wouldn’t those who support his memory be upset? If I produced a movie called “Barack Obama” and cast him as an immigrant graphic designer with no political future, wouldn’t his friends scoff? So why make a movie CALLED “Noah” and then change the person and story of Noah from the one that is written. If you want to make an environmental treatise, go ahead, just call it something else. Call it – I don’t know – “Avatar” or something ;)

    I’m planning to see the movie eventually. But as a someone who actually believes the Bible is true, I will watch it to enjoy a good story and (I hope) decent acting… and let’s be honest, some pretty amazing visual spectacle. I won’t be watching it to support Aronofsky’s idolatrous earth-worship.

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  88. I think that the “warning” to Christians should be to not over-analyze a story that has been adapted for Hollywood, directed by a non-Christian in an extremely secular culture, and expect it to be an accurate, Biblical interpretation. It makes us sound like insecure belly-achers.

    It may or may not appeal to a larger audience because of the embellishments and creative liberty implemented, but regardless it will be a large audience.

    What do we Christians want? Would it be better to have the true story told without error? Absolutely!!
    Will God not use this film because it’s inaccurate? Absolutely not!

    So this large audience who will show up to see a take (fictional or not) on one of history’s greatest stories, will go home having been entertained. What comes next is in God’s hands. Will they pick up a bible, or google the actual story? maybe. Will that generate interest in who God truly is… Who His Son is? How to know more? I wouldn’t be surprised… Will it confuse and cause Christians to lose their faith, and cause God to be less than He is? That’s a resounding “NO”.

    So stop for a minute… Take a deep breath… Pray for those who are going to see this (what is sure to be amazing) film, and CALM DOWN.

    If Hollywood ever got something like this RIGHT, then THAT would be something to talk about!

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    • No! Truth is Truth. Not a lie. What good is it to see this blasphemy and hope that it will spark an interest, No, it is not the way to introduce Jesus through a lie and distorted Word of God. You can’t straddle the fence, you are either on the side of Truth or the complacent lie.

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  89. No where in the trailer did I see Noah being the “first environmentalist”. Where are the half-angel, half-human creatures? The people, other then Noah’s family, thought Noah was absolutely crazy. I doubt they ever saw rain or a flood until the skies opened up. As Christians, why don’t we pray that God uses this film for His glory and that many come to Christ? Something is to hard for Him. I don’t think you should judge a film if you haven’t seen it at all. What about you go and see it and then write a blog and point out the differences between the movie and from the story that’s in the Bible? I am a Christian and will be seeing the film.

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  90. what do you think of the movie “Son of God” (Bible series) ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God_(film)

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  91. Barbara Hollick says:

    It is sad and shame on them who “know the truth” yet stay silent.

    NO CHRISTIAN SHOULD WATCH THIS LIE. THOSE WHO ADD OR SUBTRACT FROM THE WORD OF GOD SHALL SUFFER ALL THE CURSES OF IT.

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    • I am speaking of the movie Noah.

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      • The script writer has certainly taken creative liberty with the story of Noah. That person has allegedly added and or subtracted from scripture. (I am taking the bloggers word for that) The thing that takes this out of the “curse” category that you were referring to from Revelation, though; is that they are not “preaching” falsities. They are depicting the story as FICTION, which, in their case… It is. If they were saying… “Nope, the Bible is wrong… This is what actually happened”, then there is real danger in that.
        WHEN I go see this film, I am only as guilty as my faith is weak. If my gullibility is challenged by Hollywood, then my faith needs some working on in the first place.

        So… Shame? No. I say that Christians should be INVITING their non-believing friends to see Noah. When they say, “wow, that was great!”, then you have a wide open door to share the true story with them. Hey… That could lead somewhere!
        And while we’re condemning the makers of this movie, we shouldn’t leave out Veggietales version of Jonah, The Passion of the Christ, The Ten Commandments… etc… etc… All of those films, and many more took liberties that weren’t 100% scriptural.
        I say, let God use this movie as a tool, even if it’s not accurate. How can something like that stop his Word from taking effect? And better yet… Why shouldn’t we help it?

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  92. Willem Berry:
    How is using a bible to spread warnings on environmental stability and care bad? — christians, I thought your religion taught of stewardship, and taking care of the world?

    You missed the point,

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  93. Lee:
    No where in the trailer did I see Noah being the “first environmentalist”.Where are the half-angel, half-human creatures? The people, other then Noah’s family, thought Noah was absolutely crazy. I doubt they ever saw rain or a flood until the skies opened up. As Christians, why don’t we pray that God uses this film for His glory and that many come to Christ? Something is to hard for Him. I don’t think you should judge a film if you haven’t seen it at all. What about you go and see it and then write a blog and point out the differences between the movie and from the story that’s in the Bible? I am a Christian and will be seeing the film.

    This is not biblical, it is a Hollywood version. Those who are of the Spirit, Spiritually discern. It is dangerous and no good can come from it. It is a lie.

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  94. Media Tuck:
    Fascinating – really.

    If I made a movie called “Muhammad” and changed his character into something opposite of what Muslims write about him, wouldn’t they have grounds to be upset? If I wrote a movie called, “Harvey Milk” and cast him as a boring speech teacher instead of a dynamic, gay politician/activist, wouldn’t those who support his memory be upset? If I produced a movie called “Barack Obama” and cast him as an immigrant graphic designer with no political future, wouldn’t his friends scoff? So why make a movie CALLED “Noah” and then change the person and story of Noah from the one that is written. If you want to make an environmental treatise, go ahead, just call it something else. Call it – I don’t know –“Avatar” or something

    I’m planning to see the movie eventually. But as a someone who actually believes the Bible is true, I will watch it to enjoy a good story and (I hope) decent acting… and let’s be honest, some pretty amazing visual spectacle. I won’t be watching it to support Aronofsky’s idolatrous earth-worship.

    By watching you are supporting., It is not entertainment, nor meant to be…we have an enemy and he is crafty at deceiving. Let not your eyes be filled with lies, keep stayed upon the Lord for the days are evil. Read your Word and stay in the things of God.

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  95. Aaron:
    Well, since the bible was made up anyway and is full of lies…what’s the big deal??If krixtianz don’t like this movie, I am definitely going to support it.

    Aaron is a biblical name, the brother of Moses. Too bad your eyes are blinded to the truth. The Bible is not a lie, it is the Only Truth. Those who are led of the Spirit are the sons of God.

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  96. bearmon2010:
    Very true. This movie is really wrong.

    By the way, God has a name. Lord and God are the titles and subjects. The bible revealed God’s name. Jesus mention that too. Jesus said Let your name be sanctified. Check your bible book at PSALM 83:18. The name was removed almost 7,000 times. Sad.

    God has many names.

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    • Hi Barbara,

      Thanks so much for your comments on the film. It’s clear you value the Bible for its actual meaning. However, I must disagree about the “God’s name was removed” conspiracy theory. There is no support to this notion at all. If you would like to discuss it and share your historical source for this, I’d be glad to.

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    • I think the name of God is Jehovah. For some reason, most religions prefer not to use the name.

      Not only that – God and Jesus and not one in the same.

      Jesus said, ‘My Father is greater than I.”

      Who was Jesus calling out to at his crucifixion?

      When he was a baby who was looking after things in heaven.

      We must use common sense when it comes to understanding God’s Word.

      Not everything is understandable.

      “All scripture is inspired of God – – is beneficial for TEACHING – for REPROVING – and for SETTING MATTERS STRAIGHT.”

      Living by Jehovah’s standards makes life so much simpler.

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      • Hi Lollita,

        Thanks for your comments. First off, the name Jehovah is anglicized transliteration if the word Adonnai. It is not an “original name of God” in any sense. It is a title made from a later form of Hebrew not used by any Old Testament writer.

        Furthermore, The Bible says no man has seen The Father except Jesus. Do you believe this?

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  97. David:
    There is much controversy over the “Sons of God” who fathered the “Nephilim”. Was is fallen angels or the descendants of Seth who were also called the sons of God.Never mind all that, the enemy of our souls is a liar. The Lord Jesus Christ said that. Why does it surprise you that the Entertainment Industry which is driven by at least one of the ’7 deadly sins’ would twist and distort the biblical account in the interest of making money off of unsuspecting disciples of The Messiah?Time for a reality check and a wake-up call. Christians, engage your brains!

    Amen

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  98. Lou Skyler: Gus is the only person on the thread who makes any damn sense.

    Believers sound so stupid to me when they rail against a movie with an environmental message. How did the left and Hollywood get the corner on that issue? Urban materialist are also tree huggers and conservatives hate conservation. Explain that to me! Right? Then the writer goes on about how righteous Noah was and what a hippie loser he is in themovie. Is the writer’s definition of righteousness that he watches all the right movies and avoids the evil entertainments of these evil evil people who are so generically rated R evil that they must be destroyed? Does it bother me that Noah plans infanticide? Sure, but the reasoning is compelling. God was grieved that he had made MAN on the earth, and it was MAN that fell. Animals at least do what they’re supposed to. Why does loving Jesus or Yeshua or whatever dictate a disdain for organized protection and stewardship of the environment. Do you really think I you’ve done all that is important by not littering or buying fur coats? Christians, while you’re on this earth, you’re responsible for it. Get over yourself!

    You missed the point. No one get’s to the Father, but through Me. Jesus.

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  99. Maria:
    I’m not seeing this movie because the truth is not being told. Hollywood should know better than that!!

    Amen!

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  100. Kenneth Acushla:
    The Words Jesus Christ is the most hated Name on Planet Earth. Which is why people will not believe what HE has said. Our LORD is not a liar. HE says what HE means and means what HE has said. His prophecy re The Days of Noah is being fulfilled in this century with Record Breaking Flooding Rainfalls. Here in QLD Australia we are experiencing it for the second time, since the first one in 2011. HE gave the Rainbow sign as the Promise of never the people all dying from the floods. But the word Rainbow is being used in a different way.The Days of LOT will be next with many in Churchianity not wanting to believe it. It is so sad that so many people in the denominations are in the Laodician church.

    It is sad to see the world rejecting it’s only Savior. We must pray for revival and trust God will open the eyes of the blind. Share the Good news with everyone and plant seeds of hope to this dying world. God bless you.

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  101. David Anderson says:

    Biblical stories are just what they are. Stories based on myths and superstitions written by ancient, nomadic goat herders that lived in a little middle Eastern country thousands of years ago. They were ignorant and untraveled and had no understanding of the world they lived in at the time. Or was the bible written by a bunch of con men in the 18th and 19th centuries? Whoever wrote it and where ever it came from? It does one thing. Makes people believe in myths and superstitions of ignorance past. All religions are fabricated to begin with. Fast forward to modern times. Hollywood hasn’t been making good flicks for a while but there’s no way I’ll get raped for the price of a movie ticket and snackes to have my intelligence insulted by movies based on biblical myths and superstitions. After all, the buybull is just a claim to begin with. And Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary evidence.

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    • Brad Jenks says:

      Dude, I disagree with much of what the hardcore folks have written here. But what you just described isn’t the nature of the Bible. The Bible isn’t just mythology (myth, by the way is NOT, nor should be, synonymous with fiction and falsehood anyway. It’s a separate genre with its own dynamics). But neither is the Bible meant to be taken literally throughout. To argue either thing is to demonstrate huge ignorance of the actual contents of the Bible.

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      • David Anderson says:

        The Bible… Stands for BS In Bookform Lacking Evidence. Religion is like history class without the facts. Any person that can read it and believe it to be true should seek therapy. As I see it Hollywood is lacking talent to begin with. How many movies can they remake based on the bible? Actual contents of the bible were most likely taken from other cultures and religions to begin with. The book is a work of pure fiction. But in the end I’m sure this movie Noah will make its share of money. And so will the actors and actresses. In theend it’s all about God money.

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        • Brad Jenks says:

          Again, I would offer that any person who says the Bible is thoroughly literally true, OR who describes the Bible as you just have, has a pretty poor handle on the actual contents of the Bible.

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          • David Anderson says:

            Read a KJV in the early 90s. Currently browsing through 1984 version of The New World Translation of The Holy Buybull. The book is a work of pure fiction. The characters and events are totally man made. The Holy Buybull… The greatest context ever written and the greatest lie ever told. Still can’t believe people believe this book of bronze age myths and superstitions to be true in the 21st century. And of course that depends on what version you should read. After all there’s multiple version of it out there. All I can say is whoever wrote it had a good imagination. And for some reason or another? Some very violent thoughts. After all, the book of insanity is full of violence.

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            • Brad Jenks says:

              Well, firstly, for the Biblical literalists- Muchof the Bible isn’t even supposed to be taken literally. There are poems, and songs, etc. that have nothing whatsoever to do with literalism. There are stories that are clearly supposed to be “tales”.
              But as for your assessment- there is plenty in the Bible that is not fiction. Chronicles of dynasties, verified by external sources, and tons of legal code, stuff too boring to be fictitious. Letters of the New Testament are not fiction. They may deal with lofty ideas, but also with practical matters. Letters are not a form of fiction, they are just personal letters. Then there are narratives, which may or may not have a mixture of truth, hearsay, and falsification, who knows? Jesus clearly lived, and died. So did John the Baptist, Herod, etc. most of the prophets are well established by history who are addressing very real and historically verifiable political realities in the regions of Israel and Judah, albeit in religious terms. And yes, there are then other segments that are debatable as regards veracity.
              Your problem is that you are assessing the Bible as a single work, with a single purpose and single writing style, which is not only a false presumption, it’s a profound oversight by a person claiming to have read it. You didn’t NOTICE these things as you read it? So, don’t be retarded. Stop calling the Bible pure fiction. You really are saying something PRECISELY as false and ignorant as the person who calls the Bible wholly, literally true.

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              • David Anderson says:

                Christianity Is A Lie… What it it that blocks otherwise intelligent people from looking objectively or critically at Christianity? Is it like overlooking the defects of a loved one?… Is it denial, like refusing to see the signs of drug abuse in a loved one? Is it how the myraid contradictions are reconciled within the believer’s mind? While All Religions Are Fabrications, As Is The Buybull, Christianity deserves special investigation because of its aggressive history, namely in the forced conversions and the murderous removal of opposing sects. It is this very source of abusive power that has controlled what the masses hear, but anyone who wishes to discover the true origins is by no means completely blocked. It is not an ordinary thing, however, for someone to actually research history, especially when it applies to Religious Farce. The Buybull is not a history book, a science book or a book of knowledge. May however be a book of infernal wisdom and insanity. Any historical characters and places that appear in the book were injected into it to make it seem more believable. Otherwise it’s a book of pure imagination based on bronze age dessert myths and superstitions. Any rationally, logically thinking human can read it and know it’s fabricated. Read it, use your own common sense and reasoning and come to your own conclusion. Still say it’s the greatest lie ever told and the greatest context ever written. After all, religion is just a multi billion dollar a year business. Isn’t It?….

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                • David Anderson:
                  Christianity Is A Lie… What it it that blocks otherwise intelligent people from looking objectively or critically at Christianity? Is it like overlooking the defects of a loved one?… Is it denial, like refusing to see the signs of drug abuse in a loved one? Is it how the myraid contradictions are reconciled within the believer’s mind? While All Religions Are Fabrications, As Is The Buybull, Christianity deserves special investigation because of its aggressive history, namely in the forced conversions and the murderous removal of opposing sects. It is this very source of abusive power that has controlled what the masses hear, but anyone who wishes to discover the true origins is by no means completely blocked. It is not an ordinary thing, however, for someone to actually research history, especially when it applies to Religious Farce. The Buybull is not a history book, a science book or a book of knowledge. May however be a book of infernal wisdom and insanity. Any historical characters and places that appear in the book were injected into it to make it seem more believable. Otherwise it’s a book of pure imagination based on bronze age dessert myths and superstitions. Any rationally, logically thinking human can read it and know it’s fabricated. Read it, use your own common sense and reasoning and come to your own conclusion. Still say it’s the greatest lie ever told and the greatest context ever written. After all, religion is just a multi billion dollar a year business. Isn’t It?….

                  1) What has the validity of Christianity to do with the contents of the Bible? And why are you equating the Bible with Christianity? We weren’t discussing Christianity, we were discussing the Bible.
                  2) What has the Bible to do with Middle Age European Christian abuses of power?
                  3) It’s a weird and broad statement to call “all religions fabrications”, that’s bizarre, especially given the very diverse nature of religions.
                  4) No book of the Bible ever claimed to be science.
                  5) It is a strange thing to say that a book specifically about many of these historical figures has them “injected” in to make them believable. That’s like saying that in a biography of Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln makes an appearance. Some things might be wrong, or developed past the point of honesty, but these figures don’t just pop their heads into the story to make it believable.
                  6) Most of the Bible is not Bronze Age anything. like….3/5 of it is post Bronze Age and the last 1/4 is within the heyday of the Pax Romana.
                  7) Was the Bible a multi-billion dollar enterprise for those involved in it’s writing or it’s compilation? No. Most of the authors died horribly, and most of the compilers were pre-Roman Catholic bishops who lived modest lives in random communities around the Mediterranean, mostly persecuted until the early councils that allowed for some consensus on the newer books to be added to the Jewish Canon.
                  8) You’re a moron.

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                  • I have read the Bible countless times and I can tell you that there is no way you can possibly understand it’s true meanings without the Holy Ghost to interpret for you. You can call Christianity what ever you want and God still loves you and wants to save you. One day you will see and know the truth without a doubt. When the lost die they open their eyes in Hell and spend eternity remembering every time someone told you about Jesus and God gave you a chance to repent and accept God’ s free gift. But if you are fortunate enough to live until Jesus comes back for His church you, as a lost person, will bow your knee to Him and your tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. So all of the lost will know the truth at some point and I’d rather praise Him before His return and know that heaving will be my home for eternity. As long as you are still alive you still have the opportunity to repent and be saved. Better be careful about what you say about God and Jesus as God is not mocked by anyone.

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                  • Brad, great responses to an obvious troll. I think I’ve seen these arguments word-for-word several times all over the Internet. After awhile, I have to laugh.

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                  • Anonymous says:

                    What blows my mind is that in the 21st century people still believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water. How about some mythological creatures such as leviathans, behemoths, multi headed dragons, unicorns, cherubs and my favorite biblical creature of all, a satyir. A half man half goat being. And all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories. And I’m the moron. By the way the injury to the human mind that reads the buybull as a reliable book is beyond repair. And as far as I can remember,there is not one word in the buybull in praise of Intelligence.

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                    • Brad Jenks says:

                      What blows my mind is the way you persist In treating every book of the Bible like it is the same as the others. Fanciful things mentioned in one book bear little or no weight on the content of another. And yet, if Genesis mentions some exotic creature that means that you dismiss the Letter to Philemon too, or the Proverbs, a book full of advice and anecdote. You continue to miss the point. The Bible is not a book. It’s a lot of different books of different sorts! You can’t paint them all with the same brush. So yeah, you’re a fool. And a massive dick about it. And if you missed the many exhortations to be wise, alert, intelligent, discerning, astute, and clever that are liberally sprinkled throughout the Bible….then you’re blind as well. They’re in there. A lot.

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                    • And with that, you have thoroughly demonstrated you are only posting to spew hatred and personal attacks with no form of actual substantive argument. Thanks for your participation in our forum but this type of “discussion” is not welcome.

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      • Hi Brad,

        Thanks for your comments. I notice you keep making this comment:


        “But neither is the Bible meant to be taken literally throughout. To argue either thing is to demonstrate huge ignorance of the actual contents of the Bible.”

        Where is your evidence of this? Do you have any evidence from any of the Biblical authors, who actually wrote the Bible, to support your claims?

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        • Hi back, my pleasure.
          Well, I don’t really need much in the way of proofs. The Bible itself is the evidence. There are simply great portions of the Bible that are not that sort of literature. The question of literalism isn’t even a factor. The poetry of Song of Solomon. The Psalms are poetic song lyrics. Much of Proverbs is abstract concepts to put to practical purpose, but aren’t inherently literal or factual items. There is theology which is always inherently arguable because you are using human concepts and language to describe the ineffable. There is inherited near eastern history that has it’s counterparts in other cousin-peoples’ literature that bears comparison, and is often metaphysical in nature, and therefore totally speculative regarding historical exactitude. The Bible is far more interesting than that. People fail to take it seriously when they treat it as either/or. When anyone says it is all literal truth, they ignore the sizable portions that have nothing whatsoever to do with factualism. That is even if we ignore the question of Biblical inerrancy. And those who dismiss the entire thing as myth or fable ignore the parts that are externally attested, too boring to be fiction (endless legal code, etc.), and personal letters. None of THESE sorts of literature are of a fictional sort. So, anyway, no. I don’t need any proof beyond the Bible itself. It’s just its nature. It’s not A book. It’s a compendium- one of really varied types of writing by as many authors. More than that; wholesale Biblical literalism is not a biblical notion. Any passage that even remotely suggests it is easily dismissed by an overlooked fact or two.

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  102. “This is not Judaism. Jesus preaches salvation through HIM. He preached Himself, not the Old Testament and the Mosaic Law. He indeed started the Christian faith, which is centered on eternal life in Heaven through the atoning work He did on the cross. I have noticed in many comments you have made incorrect assertions about the Christian faith and have not once cited the Bible. Do you have any Scripture to support your claims? -B&E”

    Why would someone who doesn’t believe Scripture to be the word of god use Scripture to support their claims? That’s the crux of the entire argument. Atheists would get right on board the xtian train if there was any peer reviewed historical evidence to support any of the claims in your book. Alas, the evidence points to it being just another book written by men describing events they themselves never witnessed. You’ll never convince a non xtian of anything by quoting Scripture they believe to be invalid. My suggestion would be to work WITH the scientific community to attempt to validate your holy book. Working against the world’s scientists and rejecting factual information in order to preserve your delusions just makes you look desperate. A little proof is all we ask. You’d change the world if you had just a speck of evidence.

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    • Okay Robbo, here’s a speck- DNA is an incredibly advanced programming language that contains both the ability to encode & decode itself. The DNA molecule is a data storage device so dense that it can contain the information of about 2,100,000 CD’s in a single gram (about the weight of 1 paper clip.) We have no storage medium that comes even close. Each cell in your body is a micro-miniaturized automated chemical factory more advanced than our best robotic factories and there are trillions of them working in (more or less) harmony together.

      The fact is, 4.5 Billion years is nowhere near enough time for this to come about by random chance. This is why the theory that Earth was seeded by bacteria from space, traveling on asteroids has gained such traction, in an attempt to increase the odds, though it only does so fractionally.

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      • Carolyn Cochrun says:

        Kyle it’s called creation. God created all of this just like the bible says. And Jesus fulfilled the law when he came and the Christian faith is a continuation of the law given by Moses to the Israeli’s all of those years ago.

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        • Of course I would agree 100% Carolyn. It’s just that many Christians aren’t used to thinking of God’s Creation as technology. Yet it is, but done only as the Omniscient, Omnipotent God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob could do it. ^_^

          It’s like how many see the phrase “God did it.” as some sort of cop-out. It’s not, however, just a gross oversimplification. If I were to say, “My Dad built this car.” Assuming it’s true, then that’s a fair statement to make. Would anyone *really* expect you to launch into an engineering dissertation about the exact process? No, of course not. Not in casual conversation anyway.

          Yet honest science, practiced with integrity, is only now finding out just how incredibly complicated God’s ‘Dissertation of Creation’ really is.

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      • But the Bible says it better, not even bacteria but dust.

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        • Kyle W. says:

          Heh. Indeed. Dust isn’t even alive. Bacteria is. :D

          But that reminds me of an old joke-

          “So God agreed to the Man’s challenge as to ‘Who can make a better Man.’ When the Man reached down to take a handful of dirt, God said, “No, no. Get your *own* dirt!”

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          • Good one, Kyle. Reminds me of another old joke. Messrs. Harley & Davidson both died at the same time and arrived in Heaven. They said to God, “As engineers, we’ve always wanted to ask you about your design of women. It’s all wrong: they don’t think rationally, their breasts get in the way and are hard to make comfortable clothes for, and the exhaust is too close to the inlet pipe.” God thought about this for a moment then replied, “Well, what you say may be true, but research indicates that more men are riding my invention than yours!”

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            • Well, she changed her design when she fell for the devil & so God told her better stick to your Man from whom you were manufactured. Wisdom is always to the manufactures advise.

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          • That is the whole point, for man is made from the lowest & returning returns back to dust, is the proof . To this , the term bacteria is a bit too high, especially if it is outer space & in this case is but to that ‘ole question was the bacteria from your father side or mothers side

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  104. bob:
    name calling unnecessary.

    So is cake, but we eat it anyway because it’s fun.
    Mind your own business, moron.

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  105. Mike Lundberg says:

    Whether this movie is totally accurate or not at least it gets the message out there…that God does exist and that the world needs to change it’s GREEDY WAYS, because God can bring down this world again if he chooses so….AT LEAST THIS MOVIE GET THE MESSAGE OUT THERE…Don’t knock it…Don’t think small minded, think like God….think of much bigger ways to get the message out there :)

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  106. I am speaking to the true believers, please view this movie with your family, and start reading in Gens:6. Please, and explain to them the truth, to but a stop to this blasphemy about Noah, and God. The church is under a spiritual attack and Gods people. We are in the last days people, may God keep us, and we escape his anger. Please keep praying that his will to come on earth as it is in heaven, and that we be worthy to enter into his rest. Be bless!

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  107. Revelation Knight says:

    Thanks for the heads up I won’t be going to see this now.

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  108. It seems Russel Crowe is cut out to act in “twisted histories”. His other movie “Gladiator was also on a twisted historical story. To the Biblical statement regarding the “fallen angels, there is no express statement that these angels mixed Physically with earthly women, for believing so, has made it into a huge money,making racket of an Industry like all those woods out of the hoods, Aliens, Et;s etc in the wildest imaginations, like a Bitchy woman trying to pretend that she has something more than what God has made her, even unto its corresponding Biblical words This is basically what Paganism is about, Speculations & Imaginations irrespective of the truth. As for Anthony Hopkins everything about & around him is written the word – Freemasonry.

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    • Brad Jenks says:

      Actually there is biblical evidence. It’s right at the beginning of Genesis 6. Sons of G”od” are differentiated from the daughters of “Men” and there is a corresponding Jewish tradition of it, as well as repeated mention throughout the Old Testament of the giant offspring. there is a separate tradition that tries to make sense of it, saying they are sons of Cain marrying daughters of Seth, but that doesn’t solve the problem of why that would produce giant offspring.

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      • Exactly.

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      • “Every seed after its own kind” is what the Bible says irrespective of the sizes small or big.. The Sons of God,(to do with Earth, where as the sons of God in heaven are them mentioned in Job, some of whom left their first estate refer to the fallen ones) indeed refers to the Line of Seth & the daughters of men represent the Line of Cain is the understanding that all mankind are the children of Adam & Eve physically, but Spiritually there is the differenciatiion like the words of Jesus unto the Pharisees “Ye are of your father the devil.” clearly is to the spiritual sense. This mixing myth is but Pagan in origin. Even science disputes cross breedings. To the biblical words of the manner ,”just as the angels who left their first estate likewise are the men of Sodom reserved for condemnation” , does not mean there is the Physical connection between the two, even though there is the influence of these angels, who ere spirits. The statement is but denoting the seriousness of their respective sins to leaving the first estate & the sodomic sin respectively.
        Further to Rom 8: 19 – the Creature(creation) waits in earnest expectation for the manifestation of the sons of God , these are the 144000 spiritual Israel, called the Elect of God/ The Israel of God/The first fruits of the Lamb/ the REMNANT seed of the Woman, with the lamb itself being the first, who are them redeemed from among men not defiled by women( remember the daughters of men to the line of Cain by which fell the sons of God by the line of Seth unto the destruction flood surely not for Ecological sakes) meaning averse to any form of sexual corruption, the core of which is “Sodom”. They who keep the commandments of God & have the testimony of Jesus, even the Spirit of Prophecy—-. Clearly sons of God refers to the redeemed among man.

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        • Actually abey, it does make perfect biblical sense. Satan’s goal from the beginning has been Twofold-

          1.)Prevent the coming of the Messiah

          2.)Unlock the Mystery of what it means for us to be “Made in God’s Image.”

          Both of these goals are compatible with attempting to corrupt mankind’s genetic makeup. It is not ‘unbiblical’ to make this claim.

          Many Christians seem to think that because Jesus said Angels do not marry, that this somehow means they *can’t*. Fallen Angels are by definition, disobedient. Does not the Bible say in 1st Peter 1:12 that the mystery of our creation & redemption is something the Angels long to look into? Obviously the obedient ones will not, but God hasn’t said anything to us in the Bible that He has prevented the Fallen Angels from doing so.

          Does it not make sense then, that if the Devil were to have any logical basis for pursuing this mad plan of his to usurp the Ancient of Days, he might think it lies in unlocking the mystery of God’s Images? Do we not have Biblical precedence for this based on The Beast (Antichrist)? A man who seems to be made in Satan’s image?

          This theory also makes much greater sense of human history as a whole. We now would understand why God called Noah “Perfect in his generations”, because we know darn well Noah wasn’t morally perfect. It also explains why God had Israel utterly destroy some tribes, yet spare others. Also, the so-called mythologies of Pagan cultures with their Manticores, Chimeras, Centaurs, Gorgons, Hippogriffs & so on may very well have had real historical creatures with which to base these myths on. Indeed is this not what modern science is doing right now? Is it just coincidence that these modern hybrids are called “Chimeras”?

          Was Jesus simply referring to sinful mankind when He said that, “As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the return of the Son of Man?” Mankind has been sinful since the Fall, why would one time be so much worse than any other? Doesn’t it make more sense Biblically that there was something *specific* He was referring to? If so, what in particular was he talking about?

          Lastly, because I don’t want to make a huge post- It seems to me that again, many Christians have a hard time thinking that Angels use, or even understand, technology. Yet we know that Angels use swords, that *is* a level of technology. We also know that they can create physical bodies for themselves. Real, physical bodies, not just ‘spiritual projections’. I mean, really, do we think for one minute that Angels are impressed by Sony Playstations? Do they look at our Nuclear Reactors & think, “Gosh, those clever God-blessed humans! How DO they make these things? I’ll never figure them out!” So in that light I see no reason to think that they are baffled by Genetic Engineering either.

          You think that this is pagan deception or dishonest money-grubbing. I think that God is revealing more of the truth of His word to His children so they will be better prepared to understand the Last Days.

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          • First & foremost never compare the serpent or satan, the prince of this world with God, which the devil loves, for it is this seemingly comparative term that he deceived Eve with as understood by Eve, but the truth is that anyone standing before God as god would bring swift judgement on themselves & know they are no god, like Herod who was found speaking as god when he became a pack of worms . For as He says “There is no god before me” . The truth of Paganism is that its gods are no gods, but off the Golden Calf & to be like one of them was what the serpent said “Ye be as gods “(so crooked is he & knowing God well, his suggestion appeared to become “as God” but meant to be as one of the gods of the golden calf – the direction that man is heeding today from which comes his understanding by the rejecting the Christ unto the Sodomic agendas thus falsifying himself) & the other side of the same coin is Atheism both undermining the truth. But the reality is that the god of these, the spirit of this world, the accuser of the brethren, before the Most High stands as a mouse, covered with darkness to protect himself from the Glory of the one before him,

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            • Kyle W. says:

              Satan *is* nothing compared to the Lord God, abey. I agree completely. But the problem is that a mouse would seem huge to a Dust Mite, which is what we are. We just don’t know how powerful Satan is for sure. For sake of argument, let’s say he has the power of a single star, like our Sun. Compared to God who created the Universe, that is insignificant. But that is still more power than humans can really comprehend & would definitely seem like “God” to us.

              Again, as I said earlier, Satan must think he knows something we don’t know to attempt this crazy plan of his. After years of prayer & going through Scripture, the only thing that makes sense is his wanting to unlock the secret of our being made in ‘the image of God’.

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              • So before God it is better to be as Dust, for the highest was David called as worm. As for the serpent being cursed above all creations means lower than dust, to the Prophecy, maybe that is the secret that he tries to unlock, now as a mouse, as what can be lower than dust.

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  109. yet another sucky movie from satan to sap the money from the goats and feed the fat show goats

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  110. I have not seen the film yet, but I’d like to comment.

    1. Movie making is a business
    2. The Environment is an important message
    3. The story of Noah is only a metaphor of salvation, and at that a tenuous one. There is no gospel in it.
    4. Noah may well have been Shaman-like. The Bible goes into no detail about how God spoke to Noah. There was no detailed account like there was with Moses, I’m guessing because Noah was less important to the Jews.
    5. Only half of the story is contained in the standard Bible. The book of Enoch, which is immensely interesting and explains a lot of loose ends contains a more detailed account which, if it hasn’t been dramatized, certainly should be. It’s immense.
    6. Every stage of the Bible was not written in the support of a conservative Christian world-view. The systemized view of it is retrospective. It’s fine, but please don’t talk about these ancient events like they were solely about the relevance of Jesus in the lives of people in 2014. It’s a more expansive document than you or I, and even Christianity, as it predates it and, as mentioned above, had only very tenuous links to the Christian system.
    7. God was pretty harsh back then. Try being a Caananite, just living your life with your kids and farming until the Israelites came. I think most would have seen Him as a brutal grump at best.
    8. All this protectionist reactions to the unscriptural narrative strikes me as sensitive in the same way Muslims overreact to pictures of their prophet. Perhaps relax a little. Noah isn’t yours any more than Adam or Abraham is.

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    • Hi Simon,

      Thanks for your comments. If I’m reading it correctly, you assert that Aronofsky has the right to critique the Bible and change his story as he sees fit. Similarly you have the right to disagree with this article and post your reasons.

      But your problem with me and this site is that we are exercising those same rights and freedoms to critique the Noah film. Do you see the inherent contradiction here?

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      • Brad Jenks says:

        Hang on a second- as far as I can tell, on most points, Aronofsky didn’t “change” the Biblical narrative. He supplemented it. And what’s more, supplemented it with midrash and other related Jewish tradition which is a fair thing to do. He also probably informed certain artistic choices with touches from related Semitic stories, also a fair thing to do, since the Noah story is clearly not the first or original version of the deluge story, but only the Hebrew tradition handed down from the original proto-tradition. So, If he did not actually change the details from the Bible, then he shouldn’t be accused of that. He HAS to supplement. You’d have a 15min film otherwise.

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        • Hi Brad,

          In which ancient manuscript are we told Noah plotted to murder his grandchild? In which text is Tubal Cain even living at the same time as Noah, much less fighting him?

          I can go on with the many details that you won’t find in any ancient text. But none of these change the fact that Aronofsky has the right to make a movie as he sees fit. And this site has the right to critique it’s lack of biblical accuracy.

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          • Brad Jenks says:

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal-cain

            This should indicate some texts. About Tubal-Cain, who was, according to some traditions, the brother of Noah’s wife, and who, as a metal-worker and war-implement maker, part of the “wickedness” spoken of in the Bible and further Jewish tradition. It’s not a leap to suggest that there might have been friction between an upright man and warring peoples or between a people trying to survive and a man with a boat bent on saving only animals. And if children were to come, which we know they did, after an effort to otherwise wipeout mankind, the question of that being a good/bad thing might come up. All it does is raise these questions. They don’t kill the baby, unless I’m mistaken.
            My point is that there is a good justification or at least argument to be made for every choice I’ve seen Aronofsky make. Except the 6 arms. That’s pure artistry. Six fingers? That’s Biblical.

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            • The Naamah who was Tubal Cain’s sister and Noah’s wife Naamah were born centuries apart. I have not come across any texts that intimate these were the same woman. What texts are you referring to??

              Additionally, to infer from the fact that Tubal Cain was a blacksmith and made weapons that he went to war with Noah, attacked the ark and snuck aboard is beyond a “leap.” It’s just changing the story intentionally. Along with many other “leaps” he made in his Environmental promotional movie.

              You are trying to justify Aronofsky’s decisions. I am not concerned with his justifications. Aronofsky is not a Christian. He does not believe the Bible. He does not even think of Noah as a religious story. And that’s all his right and prerogative. My issue is to make sure Christians know that this film is not faithful to the Biblical text.

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              • Brad Jenks says:

                Well, my point is perhaps the same one as yours from the other direction: take the bible seriously. You are concerned With Aronofsky taking too many liberties and giving people false info. I am concerned with people taking the ark story they heard growing up and mistaking it for the ark story of the Bible and Jewish tradition. Many people are going to take exception to things like the Nephilim, on the grounds that it is unbiblical, only because they have failed to read their Bible well enough to know that it is Biblical. And while some points are certainly debatable, I have no problem with Aronofsky having culled from related sources for extra detail. Some stuff, sure. Pure invention.
                As to your point- in the link you may have seen that Tubal-Cain is among those who learned of Warcraft, not just smithing. And the long generations mean much overlap in lifetimes if you look at a timeline. And the Namahs are of two traditions. One that she is a sister, one not, as I understand it.

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                • Thanks for the link. There is indeed a midrash Commentary that postulates they are the same woman. The Biblical timeline puts them pretty far apart.

                  But I don’t think you understand my point. It’s not about Aronofsky. As I have said numerous times: he is free and entitled to make whatever movie he likes. This article is sub headlined: “A warning for Christians.” That is my concern. The article is a warning for Christians to not be fooled into thinking this is a Biblical movie and faithful to the Scriptures, when it clearly is not and the writer/director has plainly said as much. That’s all. What Hollywood does is their prerogative.

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                  • Brad Jenks says:

                    And again, my goal is similar. To awaken Christians (and others as well) to the actual contents of the Bible, and their contexts, and to not simply rely on their memory of Sunday school versions of Bible stories which are often in error or gloss over difficult details. As I said, there will be many Christians who will see this movie and take exception to parts that ARE Biblical, out of sheer ignorance.

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                    • Ok, but the Midrash and the book of Enoch are not Scripture. So while they may have interesting stories they are not profitable for doctrine.

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                    • Brad Jenks says:

                      See…you say that, but the New Testament writers were not only familiar with them but speak of them. Does that not merit some consideration as a context of written tradition? You can say what you like about what you consider authoritative. The Roman Catholic and Protestant Bibles differ in some books. The Jewish Tanakh and the Samaritan Bible and there is good argument for Samaritan traditions being older and more authentic in many respects. Ethiopic churches add the Shepherd of Hermas and the Didache to their canon and ostensibly house the actual Ark, smuggled out of Jerusalem. Who knows? The point is that debates of what is authoritative have raged for millennia, and things that may be considered invalid may at least still give contextual clues that shouldn’t necessarily be ignored. For example- I don’t need to believe certain Arian doctrines in order to learn from them, and other contextual clues that certain Nicene conclusions were not majority views, or that certain current, inherited doctrine is therefore flimsy at best. It all informs, paints a fuller picture and puts some things in their appropriate place.

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                    • I don’t know of any references to Midrash commentaries in Scripture. The book of Jude makes one reference to a verse that is in the version of the book of Enoch we have today. That does not make it cannon. Paul quoted pagan philosophers. He was not endorsing them but instead using an excerpt for effect and example.

                      In the book of Enoch a group of angels build the ark and Noah just picks it up when it’s completed. Do you agree with this account?

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                    • Brad Jenks says:

                      Again, I never said they were canon. Something needn’t be canon to be relevant. In fact, I’ve argued that, since Pentecost, the prophetic nature is ostensibly dissiminated among the people of God and therefore that which might have once been tacked on to the Bible, as the New Testament was tacked on to the Old, is now in bookstores everywhere. G.K. Chesterton, Thomas Merton, Abraham Heschel, etc……
                      And as to your question about which account I believe regarding the ark-
                      I suppose the best answer is: I don’t care. It doesn’t matter. I’m not going to worry about something I can’t know. It is enough to know them. I know one says this, one says that, and my knowledge and reference base is indeed a little richer for the knowing. But it changes nothing in my faith. I don’t base my faith on such things.

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                    • Hi Brad,

                      Well that is where you and I differ. I do care about the Bible. The Bible says: The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.(Psalm 12:6-7). God’s Word is in His Bible. That is doctrine for a Christian. But I am well aware that many, many in the church today do not agree with my stance and no longer hold the Bible as an authority in their lives or put in on par with many other ancient texts. But I will continue to follow God and trust in His promise to preserve His Holy Word.

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                    • Brad Jenks says:

                      No no, don’t mistake me. I care about the Bible. I care a great deal. A spend quite a bit of time with it and studying it. But a fair example is the one you gave yourself: the Bible, as it stood when that Psalm was written was not what it is today. In fact, it was not even the full Hebrew Bible we have today. But even if we take it to refer to the Hebrew Bible, why do you think that applies to the New Testament? When it was written the New Testament literature was centuries from happening. THAT takes serious logical justifying and apologetics.

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                  • Nephesh roi says:

                    “God’s Word is in His Bible.” — B&E.

                    101% I agree with you, B&E. God’s Word is His Bible!

                    And not only Psalms 12:6-7.

                    One of the 10 Commandments orders NOT to take God’s name in vain or disrespectfully.

                    Yet, the Bible declares that God Himself esteems His Word more than ALL His name!!!

                    “for Thou hast magnified Thy WORD above ALL Thy NAME.” (Psalms 138:2)

                    (The quote is taken from the Hebrew Bible published by the Jewish Publication Society edition of 1917)

                    Needless to say how respectfully and diligently Christians should take the Bible!

                    “Thy WORD is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.” (Psalms 119:105).

                    Indeed I thank God the Bible is a light in this dark world!

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                    • Brad Jenks says:

                      Which Bible is “His Bible”
                      The Torah? The Tanakh? The Christian version of the Old Testament? Which? Is the New Testament Revelation the only one that matters? Is THAT His Word? If so, why quote the Psalms to justify it? Is the New Testament His word in conjunction with the He Hebrew Bible? If so, which portion has more authority? If the New, again, how can I trust the Psalm. Maybe something in the New negates that? Maybe. What version of both Testaments is authoritative, and which language? Is the King James the inspired version, or is the English Standard Version just as good? When in the Bible did it ever, ever uplift one translation over the others? And then what should I do with discrepancies? Maybe the Latin one was the right one, the one God intended, since it was sanctioned by His Church in Rome? But don’t we have better linguistic scholarship today? Are there mistakes in the Latin? Misreading a of the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. But then maybe I should learn those! But the the Dead Sea Scrolls and other findings have shown us that there were slightly different versions of the Bible floating around even then, in Antiquity…….hmm…. Now what?
                      Loving God, and trusting God to reveal himself never, ever meant Bible-worship. And not a single mention in the Bible of “his word”, or references to the integrity of the written testimony ever referred to the Bible(s) we have today, for one simple reason: the Bible we have today didn’t exist for them to refer to it that way. In Revelations, when the author refers to the book and not changing a single word, it is referring to the Revelation only. It can’t be referring to the Bible, because the Bible was not compiled yet. When Jesus speaks of keeping the word in every dot and tittle, the Bible he refers to is the Bible he knows, the Law, the Hebrew Bible. To suggest that, retroactively, that they were referring to the future, and even more specifically to a particular Bible or version of it, is an outstanding theological leap that is not only suggested nowhere in the Bible, but one that no person should ever feel compelled to trust. It is a pure hypothetical. Believe it if you like, but it is a terribly hard stance to justify, because it is terrifically hard to prove inspiration. And “inspiration” is precisely the basis of the doctrine of the integrity of the inerrant, dual testament combo as we have it today. Shaky ground.

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                  • Nephesh roi says:

                    Wow, Brad Jenks, too many questions in that paragraph to answer! It will take a lot many paragraphs to answer these. So I will give only a short answer:

                    The Jews in Jerusalem were entrusted with the Old Testament (Rom 3:1-2) and they had already decided on TaNaKh (ie, Tora, Nebiyim and Khitubim).

                    Jesus had also ratified this Tanakh:

                    “And He said to them, These are the Words which I spoke to you yet being with you, that all the things must be fulfilled having been written in the Law of Moses (Torah), and the Prophets (Nebiyim), and the Psalms (Khitubim), concerning Me.

                    The Greek churches were entrusted with the New Testament (1 Cor 1:24, 10:32). Though some of the epistles were written to particular Greek church, they exchanged these among themselves (1 Thess 5:27) and thus the 27 books of the NT were preserved.

                    The Apostles of the Lord also ratified this New Testament as Scripture at par with the Hebrew Scripture!

                    Example:

                    1) Paul quotes from both OT and NT and says both as Scripture!

                    “For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox treading out grain”, and, “the laborer is worthy of his pay”. (1 Tim 5:18)

                    “You shall not muzzle an ox treading out grain” is a quote from Deut 25:4 in the OT.

                    “the laborer is worthy of his pay” is a quote from Luke 10:7 in the NT!!!!!!!

                    2) Also Apostle Peter considers Pauline epistles as at par with the OT Scripture (2 Pet 3:15-16)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    So this is His Bible! (Nowhere did I say to worship the Bible. I said to read it, analyse it, understand it and practise it).

                    The rest of the things you said like translation issue etc are secondary matters.

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              • Brad Jenks says:
    • Truth is never to speculations for that matter contradictions, is but to understand the event of Noah through the Prophecy of Jesus “Like it was in the days of Noe when the flood came & took them all away” even “Like it rained Fire & Brimstone on the day Lot fled Sodom”. Has this understanding anything to do with Liberalism or Conservatism’ to the Politics or Ecology ? where it becomes a matter of Life & Death.
      It seems Crowe & team went to meet the Pope for his approval in the name of Noah citing Ecology to the Dollars, for Paramount is indeed financially desperate, & the Pope(for once) it seems not appreciating their act of twisting the truth, an act of ill respect refused to meet them personally, other than in general.., Another of his historical twisted movie like the “Gladiator” with Crowe as the ever faithful soldier of the Emperor, for in the truth there was no Roman Emperor that hated Christians like his emperor. These are people who say one but mean another, beguiled.by Mammon & O it is a just a move, they exclaim.

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  111. My Opinion on the movie Noah.

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  112. My opinion on the movie ‪#‎Noah‬ that will be coming to theaters next weekend.

    I know that a lot of evangelicals and Christians have criticized the movie, because it isn’t in direct alignment with the Word of God. I’ve heard and read where many pastors are discouraging their congregations to not watch the movie. Personally I think that that’s rubbish. Here’s why!

    1. I’ve watched so many Biblical movies in my life time, and to be honest, none of them fully lined up with the Word of God. In some movies things were added that had nothing to do with the Bible story, and in other movies things were taken away, that were important. The recent movie Son of God, though I loved it, wasn’t completely on target. The Passion of the Christ, was another one that wasn’t whole in its Biblical perspective of the Cross.

    2. I believe in my heart that this movie has been produced, at the right time, for a divine purpose, greater than what our finite minds can grasp. The Bible says, that in the last days, before Christ return, it would be like that of the days of Noah. Because this movie was not produced by a Christian and or a Christian company, doesn’t mean that it won’t reach people. How many Unbelievers went to see the movie Son of God? Most likely not as many, that are going to go watch Noah.

    3. A couple of scriptures to consider, before you who are Religious rule out this movie. When I say religious, I mean this. Religious people, put God in a box, put the Bible in a box, put God’s abilities in a box, and they forget that, God can’t be contained. He is an unlimited God.

    The Bible reads in 1 ‪#‎Corinthians‬ 1:27 “But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

    28 And base things of the world, and ‪#‎THINGS‬ ‪#‎THAT‬ ‪#‎ARE‬ ‪#‎DESPISED‬ (Hollywood), hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are.”

    ‪#‎Joel‬ 2:28-32: And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon ‪#‎ALL‬ flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

    29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

    30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

    31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

    32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.”

    My family and friends, some of this is my opinion and some of it is complete Truth; but i believe that before Jesus comes, God will pour out of His Spirit in whatever means possible. Even if that is to use corrupt Hollywood for His glory. No soul, will be able to stand in front of God and say, that I never heard your Word, or had the opportunity to come to know You; not one. Some way, and some how God will reach out to them, who are lost.

    I believe God will use this movie, I believe it with all my heart. People will get the just of it all. They will see God not only as Just, but a Judge. That there is a place for sin and sinners, the wicked and wickedness and that they can not tarry in His sight. I believe that God has been searching the earth looking for those who would say, Lord hear am I, send me, to go forth to be Your hands, feet, and mouth, proclaiming His Word throughout the Earth. But He has only found religious people, caught up in doctrine and laws, and have completely missed His heartbeat for souls. God desire not a single soul to perish, but that they will come to know His love and His only begotten, Son Jesus Christ.

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    • When comes the turbulence hold on by the belt, to the Faith ,its Apostasy arises out of Complacency, & complacency arises out of the Lack of contention, making it into the days of the Apostates, for they are everywhere, Wolves in sheep’s clothing as the Prophesied days of Sodom even Noe are seen arising, more so by the events to the Prophecy, even to the wonderful song by Paul Wilber & team- the days of Elijah, unto the Great & terrible day of the Glorious Lord, seen standing in battle readiness as the beast gathers the nations to war against the Lord of hosts.