The Noah movie does not tell the Biblical account of Noah and the Ark.
2013 and 2014 will see a large number of Christian-themed movies hit the big screen and one of the most anticipated of them is Noah, directed by Darren Aronofsky and starring Oscar-winner Russell Crowe. While there will be much hype and excitement for this movie, the early reports indicate that the Noah film will not be in line with the Biblical account of Noah’s ark and the flood, but instead will push a liberal, political message focused on the environmental agenda. Christians and those interested in a Biblical story thus need to be warned to use discernment and not support Hollywood as it exploits the Bible for gain and promotes a film that casts the God of the Bible in a bad light.
Noah as The “First Environmentalist”?
God commanded Noah to bring two snakes on the ark. Not several hundred.
“Be warned, though: Aronofsky’s Noah might be a bit different from the bearded boat-builder most remember from the Bible. Aronofsky told us back then that he sees Noah as the “first environmentalist,” a man tormented by survivor’s guilt after living through the flood.” (source)
The story of the Flood, as told in Genesis chapter 6-8 deals with humanity’s rebellion against God becoming so great that it threatened any chance of salvation and incurred God’s wrath.
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. – Genesis 6:1-6.
In the pre-flood world, a group of rebellious angels or “sons of God” as they are terms in the Bible, interacted with humanity openly on Earth. In doing this, they sinned against God by taking human women as wives and having children with them. These half-angel, half-human hybrid offspring, known as the Nephilim, were giant, super powerful beings who then overran the Earth (these beings have been described in other ancient historical accounts as “demi-gods”, titans and other names, hence them being called “men of renown.:). Soon humanity found itself far from the knowledge of God and steeped in violence, immorality, occultism and sinful rebellion against The Lord. This was the true Biblical backdrop for the world Noah and his family lived in before the flood.
Despite being surrounded by a sinful, lustful society, Noah was still a faithful believer in The Lord. The book of Hebrews called Noah a “preacher of righteousness.” As a result of the Nephilim hybridization taking place, the potential existed for the entire human gene pool to be corrupted by fallen angels. God already judged the first two humans, Adam and Eve for their sin, by banishing them from the Garden of Eden. This initial rebellion brought sin and death into the world. But even back at that time, The Lord, in His mercy, promised Adam and Eve that one day a child would be born who would redeem them and destroy Satan.
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. – Genesis 3:14-15.
It was this prophecy that out the Devil on notice that his judgment would come at the hands of a human savior. Eliminating the Messiah became the first order of business in Satan’s war against God. And the illicit relations between fallen angels and human women were a means to prevent a fully human savior from being born. God’s response to this was unexpected – a global flood that would destroy every creature on Earth except for Noah, his family and the animals on the ark. Rather than just acting in pure anger and rage, The Lord used the flood to preserve the human gene pool, punish those sinful angels, eliminate the Nephilim and preserve the chance for the Messiah to be born and for humanity to escape eternal damnation. Thus in the flood account, there is sinful rebellion, an ongoing battle between good and evil, the rewards of the faithful and God’s mercy towards those who believe in Him. None of this has anything to do with environmental movement whatsoever.
An Early Script Review
Darren Aronofsky’s Graphic Novel on Noah gives insight into the movie plot.
“It’s about environmental apocalypse which is the biggest theme, for me, right now for what’s going on on this planet. So I think it’s got these big, big themes that connect with us. Noah was the first environmentalist.” – Darren Aronofsky (source).
Hollywood writer and director Brian Godawa wrote a review of an undated script of the Noah film and was disturbed by its story:
Having got a chance to read an undated version of the script for Noah I want to warn you. If you were expecting a Biblically faithful retelling of the story of the greatest mariner in history and a tale of redemption and obedience to God you’ll be sorely disappointed. Noah paints the primeval world of Genesis 6 as scorched arid desert, dry cracked earth, and a gray gloomy sky that gives no rain – and all this, caused by man’s “disrespect” for the environment. In short, an anachronistic doomsday scenario of ancient global warming. (source)
Godawa’s review of the script also falls in line with the Noah graphic novel that Aronofsky co-authored in 2011 in advance of the movie. Below is the synopsis of the novel:
It was a world without hope, a world with no rain and no crops, dominated by warlords and their barbarian hordes. In this cruel world, Noah was a good man. Seasoned fighter, mage and healer but he only wanted peace for him and his family. Yet every night, Noah was beset by visions of an endless flood, symbolizing the destruction of all life. Gradually, he began to understand the message sent him by the Creator. He had decided to punish the men and kill them until the last. But he gave Noah a last chance to preserve life on Earth… (source)
Rather than follow the Biblical account, Aronofsky is taking the story in his own direction to suit his own environmentalist agenda. There are many glaring differences between the Biblical narrative and Aronfosky’s version. Even Cain and Abel, the first sons of Adam and Eve, make an appearance and apparently befriend Noah as a child. The danger in this is that it distorts the Biblical message and only leads to further confusion about God and His plan of salvation for humanity. In the movie, God is portrayed as an angry Creator who wants to punish humanity permanently for not taking good enough care of plants and animals. Humans have compassion, while God in the film only has irrational wrath. This type of gnostic interpretation of Scripture that turns the Biblical account upside down to cast the God of the Bible in a bad light, has been done in many Hollywood films (we featured an article on the movie Legion that used this same tactic with a plot centered on the book of Revelation).
Isaiah 5:20 says: “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” Rather than change the Bible, it should be respected so the real message of God’s forgiveness, grace and mercy can be conveyed.
Noah As A Hippie
Aronofsky, citing Genesis 6:14, has stated that Noah is his dream film.
“Noah is a kind of rural shaman, and vegan hippy-like gatherer of herbs. Noah explains that his family “studies the world,” “healing it as best we can,” like a kind of environmentalist scientist.” (source).
In the Bible, Noah is no Shaman or mage, but a believer and follower of the true and living God of the Bible, Yahweh. When The Lord decided that He was going to judge the world for its rampant sin and punish those angels who sinned, He told Noah:
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. – Genesis 6:13-14.
God then proceeded to give Noah specific instructions and dimensions for the construction of the ark. What is telling about the heart of Noah was his response to God’s very detailed instructions:
Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he. – Genesis 6:22.
Rather than seeking the spirit realm, or his “inner knowledge”, Noah heard the Word of God and believed it. This is the sign of faith. So Noah’s spiritual state was clear, he believed the Lord. This is confirmed by the Lord in chapter 7:
And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him. – Genesis 7:1-5.
God saw Noah’s faith and declared him “righteous before me in this generation.” And with a week before the flood, God gave Noah his final instructions and informed him that it would rain for forty days and nights. This is very significant – up to this point in world history it had never rained. Prior to the flood, the moisture in the environment came from geysers in the ground:
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. – Genesis 2:5-6.
A mist from underground pressure provided water for plant life. The pre-flood word in short had a hyperbaric environment. (B&E: Some Christian researchers have theorized that this environment contributed to the long life spans of the people before the flood, where some people lived over 900 years. However, after the flood, there is a sharp decrease in life spans down to the lengths seen today. For an excellent study on this, see geologist Gaines Johnson’s article which can be found here).
To hear the judgment would be in the form of a massive rainfalls all over the whole earth would be something no one in the world could fathom. Yet Noah, once again believes God and obeys. The Book of Hebrews explains the importance of faith and cites Noah as an example:
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. — Hebrews 11:6-7.
Rather than seeking God, Aronofsky is using the Bible to push an environmental agenda. This film reflects a lack of faith and promotes the idea of doubting God, rather than believing.
Wildly Unbiblical “Facts” About Noah’s Life
‘Noah’ director Darren Aronofsky, wearing hat, does not believe that the account of Noah and the Ark is a “religious story.”
“I don’t think it’s a very religious story,” Aronofsky told us at the 2011 Provincetown International Film Festival, where he was receiving career-spanning honors. “I think it’s a great fable that’s part of so many different religions and spiritual practices. I just think it’s a great story that’s never been on film.” (source).
Here are some of the changes to the Biblical text that Aronofsky’s script makes:
- Noah maintains an animal hospital to take care of wounded animals or those who survive the evil “poachers,” of the land. … Be that as it may, Noah is the Mother Teresa of animals.”
Nowhere are we told in Scripture that Noah ran an animal hospital.
- Though God has not spoken to men or angels for a long time, Noah is haunted by recurring dreams of a rainstorm and flood that he surmises is God’s judgment on man because as Noah says, “At our hand, all he created is dying.” The trees, the animals, and the environment. “If we change, if we work to save it, perhaps he will too [save us].
In Genesis Chapter 6, it is clear that God is indeed speaking to humanity. The Lord addresses Noah directly and gives specific details about the coming judgment and how to prepare the ark to survive it. Nowhere does Noah have any dreams. Additionally, it is the sinfulness of humanity along with the Nephilim invasion of the Earth that brought God’s judgment, not mistreatment of the environment. And nowhere is it said if humanity helps the tress and animals, God would reverse the impending flood.
According to the Bible, humans are not animals. We are made in the image of God Himself. After creating the first man, The Lord gave Adam dominion over all animals and nature. Jesus Christ confirmed humanity’s superiority to animal’s in God’s eyes to demonstrate God’s love for all people:
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. – Matthew 10:29-32.
God is aware of everything that happens in the lives of animals. But He is much more interested in human beings, His special creation. Jesus illustrates this in beautiful fashion, nothing that God knows the numbers of hairs on the head of every person ever born. And this theme seems removed far from the Noah movie: that God loves us and worked out a plan to reconcile us to Him through Jesus Christ.
In the film, the angels are portrayed as 6-armed giants. Again, where is this in the Bible?
- Noah seeks advice from his grandfather, Methuselah, the oldest man alive, who lives in a cave. Unfortunately for fighting pacifist Noah, he has to go through the Watcher’s Land to get there. The Watchers are angels who came down from heaven to help fallen humanity by granting them wonders of knowledge from magic to science to stars, metal, and fire. But when mankind turned that knowledge into weapons of war and tools of environmental devastation, God banished the Watchers to earth and turned his back on them. Now, they reside as 18-feet tall, six-armed grumpy angelic complainers who resent mankind.
None of this is ever in the Bible. Noah has no interaction with angels or watchers (angelic beings who are mentioned in the book of Daniel). And while Methuselah is indeed his grandfather, Noah does not seek him out for “advice.” God gave Noah a clear plan of action for salvation for he and his family and Noah faithfully followed it. And while there was indeed open interaction between angelic beings and humans in the pre-flood world, we are not given these details in Noah’s story, nor is there any description of angels matching the script draft. (B&E: in our article on the movie Prometheus, we explore the idea in Scripture of angels possibly sharing knowledge with humanity, specifically the lineage of Cain. For more information see here).
- Noah convinces the Watchers to help him and he receives a magic seed from Methuselah that blooms a magical forest in the desert. It’s really a quite imaginative and powerful scene that shows God’s miraculous provision. Noah uses this timber to build his boat (Wait a second. Wouldn’t that make him an evil clear cutting lumberjack?). So the Watchers help him build the craft
Once again, these ideas are not from Scripture. Nowhere in Genesis is there ever any hint of a tree shortage or environmental crisis. And the Watchers, who are not even mentioned in the book of Genesis, do not built the ark for Noah.
Noah As Homicidal Maniac?
In the film, Noah considers killing his own family.
Meanwhile, Noah has himself become a bit psychotic, like an environmentalist or animal rights activist who concludes that people do not deserve to survive because of what they’ve done to the environment and to animals. Noah deduces that God’s only reason for his family on the boat is to shepherd the animals to safety, “and then mankind disappears. It would be a better world.” He concludes that there will be no more births in this family so that when they start over in the new world, they will eventually die out, leaving the animals in a human-less paradise of eco-harmony and peace. As Noah says, “The creatures of the earth, the world itself, shall be safe.” His ethical reasoning? The same as all environmentalist activists: The ends justify the means. “We must weigh those [human] lives against all creation.”
There’s only one problem. One of the women on the ark is pregnant, and Noah decides that if it is a boy, it can live, but if it is a girl, he must kill it. We can’t have more of those nasty little virus-like humans swarming the earth. So most of the last half of the script is a family killer thriller like Sleeping With the Enemy, that asks the dark dramatic movie question “will Noah kill the child if it is a girl or not?” Ancient sex-selection infanticide.
The woman gives birth to twin girls, and Noah gets all the way up to killing not one but two female infants, after killing evil meat-eating Akkad. But in the end, he fails. He says “to himself, to the Creator,” “I can’t. I can’t do it. I am sorry. I am so sorry.” He is just too compassionate to carry out God’s cruel plan. Noah is more loving than God. (source).
This is the most disturbing part of this script. The idea that Noah would want to kill his own family, is not only never stated in Scripture, it is just blasphemous to the Biblical account. In warning humanity about changing parts of the Bible, Jesus said:
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. – Revelation 22:18-19.
This stern warning, in the last chapter of the Bible, underscores how seriously, the correct handling of the Bible is to The Lord. Unfortunately, we live in an age where Jesus Christ, the Bible and the Christian faith can be openly mocked, disrespected and twisted to suit the needs and purposes of the world. What would the reaction be in the Muslim world to a movie that cast Muhammad in a negative light? Well there is no reason to imagine since the trailer of a low-budget film on YouTube caused massive protests, public destruction of property and according to certain officials in the office of President Obama, was part of the reason four Americans were murdered in Libya. Yet when it comes to Christianity, a big-budget major motion picture can be made that completely twists and distorts the Biblical account and portrays the God of the Bible as a cruel, homicidal God who is more concerned with preserving plants and animals over human beings.
By now Lord willing, it’s clear that Noah is not a Christian film. Yet when this movie hits the theaters, it will not stop the film company behind from marketing the movie to churches and the Christian community in hopes of conveying the idea that it is a movie celebrating a Biblical story when it is not. Do not be deceived.
Jesus Christ described the days before His Second Coming with a reference to Noah: But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:37). Jesus pointed to the times Noah lived in before the flood as a type and shadow of the last days. And certainly the rampant sin, idolatry and disrespect for God and His Word is on full display in society. A judgment from God is coming on this sinful world. But just like the ark, God has prepared an escape for those who will put their faith and trust in Him: Jesus Christ.
The ark itself was a foreshadow of the protection from eternal judgment that comes from believing in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who died to take the punishment for the sins of the world. Pray for the makers of this movie to repent and believe the Word of God, rather than abusing it. And spread the Word to other Christians to not support such a blasphemous, anti-Christian film. The good news is that for all this disrespect, Darren Aronofsky can still be forgiven of his sins. There is still time for society to get into the ‘ark’ that saves us from hell. It just takes hearing the true Word of God, not a Hollywood distortion.
The Words Jesus Christ is the most hated Name on Planet Earth. Which is why people will not believe what HE has said. Our LORD is not a liar. HE says what HE means and means what HE has said. His prophecy re The Days of Noah is being fulfilled in this century with Record Breaking Flooding Rainfalls. Here in QLD Australia we are experiencing it for the second time, since the first one in 2011. HE gave the Rainbow sign as the Promise of never the people all dying from the floods. But the word Rainbow is being used in a different way. The Days of LOT will be next with many in Churchianity not wanting to believe it. It is so sad that so many people in the denominations are in the Laodician church.
Kenneth Acushla(Quote)
Yeah, Jesus Christ is the most hated name on planet Earth. That’s why no less than five of the 20 or so TV channels I get have exclusively Christian content. So they can say how much everybody hates Jesus. That’s why Atheists are the most trusted people in North America. Because everybody hates Jesus. Try again.
Don(Quote)
Actually His Hebrew name is hated even more and especially by mainstream christians. Yahusha! Most will accept the Greek/Spanish/English twist on the interpretation although losing its meaning in it, but out right war against His inspired name given and spoken to Him by His earthly parents Yahusha. Yahusha not only is His actual name but it retains the meaning of His name which is very important. He was a Hebrew not a Spaniard/Grecian. So Jesus is a name many have made into their own beliefs, attached to their own doctrines and is widely accepted because that is all they know but Yahusha is the name above all names that man is to be saved and is the most hated name (along with His father’s name) ever.
Pooh(Quote)
Hi Pooh,
Thanks for your comment. I would just like to make a few responses as it seems you may be a part of the “Sacred Name” or “Hebrew roots” theology.
1. Jesus spoken language – Jesus and the Apostles spoke and read Greek. The reason why we know this is because over 90% of the time that Jesus quotes the Old Testament, He is quoting the Septuagint, verbatim. The Septuagint is the Greek translation of the Old testament that was commonly used in the time of Christ’s ministry on Earth.
2. The name “Yashua” – If you are really going to use Jesus’ “real” name, then you would spell it as Yashua. The Hebrew of Jesus’ day, Paleo-Hebrew, has no vowels. So His “given name” would never be spelled the way you write it. Modern, squared Hebrew, was made centuries after the time of Our Lord on Earth and was done in response to the popularity of the Septuagint among Christians (the Septuagint, is a translation from Paleo-Hebrew and thus our closest link to the original languages of the Old Testament today).
3. Jesus gave HIMSELF a Greek name – “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord” – Revelation 1:8. If referring to Jesus in only a Hebrew name was so important and critical, why would Jesus refer to Himself with a Greek name?? He would not. And He refers to Himself by a Greek title more than once in Revelation.
I would issue a strong word of caution regarding the “Sacred Name”/Hebrew roots movement. A lot of the main proponents of it carry ideas that are not in the Bible. Please know that I say this all in Christian love and a desire for iron to sharpen iron. Your thoughts are most welcome here. God bless.
Beginning and End(Quote)
I will have to avoid this movie.
Now people who watch this movie will dub the bible as fantasy, others who watch this movie would believe this movie rather than the bible.
whole purpose of satan’s game is to pull people away from Jesus, pull their eyes away from the truth!
xino(Quote)
You know who dubs the bible as fantasy? Anyone who’s really read it.
Don(Quote)
I wouldn’t necessarily believe that.
Do you know that archaeologists are still using the Bible to find digs and ancient cities? Sure, the tales of Adam and Noah are seemingly hard to believe, but there’s many concrete facts within the Holy Bible’s pages.
Or is a book with such preposterous claims that we evolved from rocks and monkeys more your style?
Kakumei(Quote)
I’ve studied Archaeology and there are only biblical archaeologists using the bible for finding sites.
No genuine archaeologists are bothering with it, because most of it is incoherent and in many cases, totally inaccurate.
You have evidently only read biblical archaeology which is far from true and real.
Most genuine archaeologists consider biblical archaeology as pure bunkum.
No biblical archaeology passes archaeological peer review and doesn’t appear in peer reviewed archaeological journals.
There are many that searched sites referred to in the bible and have demonstrated the inaccuracies within the scriptures because Christians harass them with questions and criticism.
Though the only real fact is: There are not any genuine archaeologists using the bible as a guide for their digs.
We have gone far, far beyond finding any usefulness in the bible as a guide for close to a century now.
Peter Dayntree(Quote)
For fuck’s sake… We did not evolve from MONKEYS, we share a common ancestor with the modern apes and other primates !
Jeanne Parker(Quote)
why the filth??
clt(Quote)
rite on kukumei!!! You got that rite!!!
clt(Quote)
You poor soul…
Nelly(Quote)
So True Don!
I’ve read the bible from cover to cover several times, a few times under guidance of priests and theologians, the rest by myself when I was studying religious history.
Yes, I believe the now growing concept that the bible was a product of malfunctioning temporal lobes.
Moses and others all gained their concepts from hallucinations.
So do most of the world’s neurologists and many leading psychologists.
There is not one fact on earth that supports Noah’s flood as being real neither.
To state that there is evidence supporting it, is a total lie.
I’ve reviewed all the evidence in my studies into the history of Christianity and there is not one iota of evidence supporting the flood.
Some historians believe that the real Noah was only taking animals to market and got washed downstream by a local flood. This tale was simply blown way out of proportion by the writer(s) of Genesis. Just as the Gilgamesh flood (Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooding) was turned into a global flood by those writers.
Cheers
Peter Daynetree(Quote)
I think you may hope you are rite, after all you weren’t around back then were you? Are you sure about how things went down?? I’ll let you know in the millennium, and don too…how wrong you were…
clt(Quote)
Thanks to B&E for yet another informative article. The whole time I was reading it, I kept thinking its such a shame they didn’t produce a more factual biblical film of the times of Noah & the flood, complete with Nephilim, and the proper climate, etc. similar to the portrayal of these events in Vaughn Heppners novel “People of the Ark”. it would have been a much better story & more visually striking. Of course then the movie would have pointed people to God & Jesus Christ, and that appears to be contrary to the Hollywood agenda, and satan’s.
Gods blessing to the B&E team & all the readers!
Jim S(Quote)
Oh brother!! Noah now an environmentalist and saving animals??? Why are these film writers even allowed to go near a computer???? He should have used the Noah concept, but changed Noah’s name to something different and had this whole scene on a different planet. If he did that, the movie would be an overwhelming success and bigger than Doctor Who. Instead, it’s going to flop. Aronofsky , it’s called a brain, use it!!! I just don’t get these liberals who think it’s ok to do whatever they want, whenever they want.I get so very tired of – this is my liberal complaint and by God, you’ll hear it whether you want or not – nonsense. We don’t care about your issues, Hollywood!!! Get it through your thick skulls!! I feel for Aronofsky, this movie will be his downfall and a nail in his coffin. It’s going to flop. Waste of talent.
kim(Quote)
Don, why are you on this board if you hate Christianity so much and see the Bible as fantasy? Is it just to rant and rave against your hatred of God? Insult others of the Christian faith? Maybe you should go somewhere else where you don’t have to deal with such ‘fantasies’? Or do you enjoy bashing others’ faiths while hiding behind a computer screen, safe and warm? Just asking why you’re here.
kim(Quote)
Oh, Kim.
I think you should read some neurology books on hallucinations, schizophrenia and temporal lobe epilepsy.
The science of neurology in only in it’s mere infancy and already they have already came to a stark realization that much of religion is based on temporal lobe hallucinations.
Prof. Robert Sapolsky has a good Youtube clip on religion where he demonstrates how the likes of Moses, Muhammad, Solomon, the apostle Paul, possibly Jesus himself and Thomas Aquinas all shared a common bond in schizophrenia and thus confirmation bias of their shared hallucinations,
Others like Dr. Oliver Sacks “Hallucinations” and Prof. VS Ramachandran “Tell Tale Brain” have all alluded to this.
It’s very likely that within the next 50 years, neurology will define all current religions as simply products of temporal lobe malfunction.
Peter Dayntree(Quote)
That doesn’t even begin to answer the hundreds of OT Bible prophecies, made with incredible detail and accuracy, that have come true. No book has a prophetic record like the Bible. If you are actually interested you can do some research from outside the Bible (Josephus, Irenaeus, etc would be good places to start) that confirm the NT account of Jesus and his life. There are literally thousands of references world wide to Jesus outside of the Bible. You’re telling me you’re going to believe some video someone posted on YouTube, but you can’t fathom believing in something that has been around for thousands of years being true? If it was all just some made up fairy tale, that had no basis in reality, it would have gone the way of other religions that have existed throughout history, it would be extinct. It wouldn’t have lasted as long as it has. It was just some “fantasy” people like you would have absolutely no reason to be hostile towards it. You’re hostile because the Spirit is convicting your heart and you don’t want to deal with it.
Brandon(Quote)
Wrong Brandon in many repects.
Firstly, none of the biblical prophesies really came to fruition and legally, there is no definable proof of Jesus’s miracles, they could not stand up in a court of law.
The only biblical prophesies that ever appeared to happen were formed by those wanting them to happen and deliberately / fraudulently touting that they did occur, when factually, none of them ever occurred and none of them ever will. Especially the extremely dumber than dumb, 20th century non-biblical prophesy / invention of the Rapture.
No independent witnesses to him actually living exist, only hearsay or anecdotal evidence, nothing that would ever stand up in a court of law exists in Jesus’s favor.
The references I gave are not Youtube references but serious studies made by some of the world’s leading neurologists on the effects of temporal lobe lesions/damage.
The effects produce hallucinations mimicking those of Moses, Solomon, St. Paul and many others who wrote in the bible and the theory that the bible is nothing more than hallucination sufferers confirming the work of previous hallucination sufferers is gaining a lot of support in science. They may be entirely correct, which begs the question of: Where does that leave You?
I believe in the possibility that a supernatural creature/entity may exist, but it is beginning to look very much like it certainly isn’t the god described in the Bible.
Though I found that fairly obvious when I was studying theology back in the 80s.
Peter Daynetree(Quote)
could not have said it better myself, why all the hate and hostility towards GOD and JESUS?. That says it all…. Brandon great post. Um peter were does that leave you??? All this worldwide knowledge of Jesus most people have heard of him… why do you think? It he Has not gone away, Islam will die for their “prophet” who’s bones are here to this day, they die in violence, disciples for Jesus don’t take one or a thousand people to death…where are Jesus The Messiah’s bones??
All this debate matters not, for we know true believers will be persecuted, killed by haters of GOD the Creator, and his anointed one, Jesus . Just know I am writing your names down and i will address you in the millennium, I will not say I told you so but –really I told you so…GOD is not mocked… look it up…
clt(Quote)
i know a lot of people and none of them have had hallucinations, I know some that have lied to get disability but no real people with hallucinations and held a job….this is a lie…
clt(Quote)
I guess this also upsets me b/c the director is rewriting history and rewriting a man’s life who had his own causes and own beliefs in God. It’s very disrespectful like rewriting Doctor Martin Luther King and his causes and beliefs b/c a liberal director wants to speak out against corporate greed. I don’t get it.
kim(Quote)
And there you got caught in a lie.
Just like your daddy the father of lies huh? Figured as much.
Antisocialist(Quote)
Don & Peter,
I pray that you one day realize the Power of Christ & the Bible because one day you won’t have your so-called education & books to hold onto and will regret your life for all eternity. Meanwhile we will spend eternity with the one book we held onto in this life.
Royal Rican Prince(Quote)
No Prince, I live for the present!
Eternity doesn’t bother me in any way, I certainly won’t be bothered by anything when I return my body which is just a lump of bacteria cells to the earth where the chemicals that composed me and my consciousness all came from. Which is the exact same fate you have to look forward to.
I’m not deluded enough to believe in an afterlife that was dreamed up by people suffering hallucinations thousands of years ago.
I’m just a child of the present and busy learning all there is about reality.
Your comments have no bearing on my life in any way!
So you can keep you delusional beliefs to yourself as they only make you appear idiotic to rational people.
Peter Daynetree(Quote)
The Lord has given us all the freedom of choice, He just warns us of the consequences of picking the wrong one. Your an adult and at this point responsible for all your actions and will be accountable for whatever in life you chose. Peace to you and may you never regret what you believe in.
Royal Rican Prince(Quote)
Royal Rican Prince, wow you are very nice in how you reply to people who don’t know The Lord. They dont know what they are saying, you know he may try to look you up for advice when the world starts falling in on him in the tribulation, read the Bible people you can see what is happeneing what is going to happen, GOD is telling us in His Word…Jesus is coming back…don’t take the mark of the beast that’s some good advice I can give ya!!!!
clt(Quote)
Jesus Christ’s love died with him over 2000 years ago.
His love is entirely worthless today. Because, if you knew anything about the New Testament and the history of Christianity. Jesus Christ didn’t even love his disciples enough to fulfill his promises to them.
Worthless love in not worth hoping for nor waiting for.
You are far better off considering it as non-existent.
I and all my friends here don’t give it a thought.
Because we are practical, fairly rational people!
Peter Daynetree(Quote)
Actualy Rican Prince,
When it is considered that now we know humans can turn off the connections to their pain receptors with their own minds, hell doesn’t appear so bad a concept
Imagine the frustration of Satan when all those happless victims have turned off their sense of pain and actually enjoy the fire and brimstone environment.
Though your angular cingulate (a part of the brain that interprets pain) dies with your brain and thus in spiritual form you couldn’t feel pain anyway.
Neurological, freedom of choice has been discovered to be a freedom of not choosing or to coin Dr. Ramachandran’s comment in “The Tell Tale Brain” as changing the term “Free Will” to “Free Won’t”.
Also, considering my studies into theology and the advent of the concept of “Original Sin”, and the likelihood of humans gaining a place in Heaven, you would be very unlikely to find a relative of yours in Heaven anyway, or at least 95% of them won’t make it there.
You would likely be there amongst complete strangers and your beloved relatives will be at the other place, enjoying their painless molten environment.
Lonely and in a sterile (lacking the humor of human error/sin) environment, not an eternity any normal person would hope for!
Peter Daynetree(Quote)
Well if this belief system of yours is what makes you happy then that is your choice. I have no desire whatsoever to badger you because of it. That is what you have chosen and you alone stand to inherit whatever it is you embrace. If “hell doesn’t appear so bad a concept” to you, then you need not worry about it or bother getting on forums that expresses another belief system different than yours. I don’t know anything about you but if there is one thing I know about the human condition at the age of 47 is that people have the capacity to change. Maybe you will, maybe you won’t. I only truly wish that you knew what it is to have Jesus in your heart, your life and your soul. and know that His sacrifice was to Redeem us to The Father, Jehovah and provide us with eternal salvation from this life. The only analogy I could think of is mud that has been turned to gold and that comparison is incredibly hallow. I wish you the best and hope that at some juncture in your life the eggshell of your understanding is cracked wide open by the LOVE of Christ.
Royal Rican Prince(Quote)
this is just plain crazy, enjoy????
clt(Quote)
Rite on again royal rican prince, you said it so well… The Lord Jesus is ready to forgive any and all sin, just confess and ask for forgiveness….its that simple.. don’t be proud, God’s government is coming to planet earth will wait and see
clt(Quote)
To Peter as stating ” I and my friends here do not give it a thought” then why are you even on this site? Obviously you give it quite a lot of thought. You Are absolutely entitled to your opinion, however I think your opinion is somewhat obtuse. I truly believe that people who sincerely do not think Christianity holds no truth or authority don’t really devote their time or their thought to arguing with those who do. If you truly were an atheist, you wouldn’t feel the need to argue against the existence of God. For example, I don’t believe in unicorns, therefore I don’t argue and debate their nonexistence…I just don’t give it any thought. I think that deep down, maybe you are not even aware of it, that you believe God does exist, but you are too angry at Him for multiple reasons. It is just like Hitchens and Dawkins…if you honestly believe this is false, boy you sure do exhaust a lot of energy talking about the unreal. Don’t be so angry and look at genuine, true Christians and you will find they are filled with joy, peace, hope, kindness, generosity…living in anger is not a way to live. And I can say that with authority because I was that person once.
LJ(Quote)
No LJ, your delusion is showing!
Very few of the Christians here are full of joy, peace and love.
Most of them are angry, bigoted, obsessive and easily upset.
Evidently you haven’t been out experiencing Christianity in the real world.
I have and found very few, if any of them filled with joy and love.
I’m not angry at all, I’m at peace with the world and really don’t care about how Christians feel, because I was one of them for a long while, until I realized that it was all ever so false.
The entire congregation was filled with anger filled delusional idiots.
This site “Beginning and End ” itself is full of anger and irrational vilification of artists, movie stars, movies and script writers.
I’ve never seen such angry rants in my life on irrational false concepts, such as the fictitious ‘Rapture’ which is a 20th century fabrication.
It’s the anger of the writers and posters in this site that attracted my attention.
I’m totally at peace with my beliefs.
I’m just drawing the haters and irrational angry people on this site to another point of view that is gaining ground in the real world.
Soon it will come to pass that Neurology will draw a global conclusion that all monotheistic religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) are nothing more than a result of thousands of years of temporal lobe malfunction sufferers confirming the hallucinations of previous sufferers with their own hallucinations.
No anger there, just raising an issue now that will likely make the already very angry posters on this site even more angry in the near future.
Cheers
Peter Daynetree(Quote)
im not angry, could care less with what you say, not a bigot, and whatever… most of the world is bigoted, angry, hateful, loose, and just plain crazy, what about you??? You will never win–read the bible GOD and his Messiah wins….bye bye peter….
clt(Quote)
why to go LJ, they are denying it which just goes to show you its true!!!!
clt(Quote)
I really don’t think that this is such a bad movie. It humanises the Bible for non-Christians and can get them to actually read the Bible. This is merely a retelling of an old story, not some heretical doctrine promoting a new religious dogma. As entertainment, I’ll say we just enjoy the show.
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