The Fox series makes Satan a sympathetic hero.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! – Isaiah 5:20.
Just when it seemed that primetime television could not get any more satanic – Fox television (the “conservative” network) is set to make a show that celebrates Satan himself. Lucifer, a new drama series from Fox, follows the life of Satan as he lives in Los Angeles attempting to solve a murder and use his powers to start helping people. The fact that a show like this could even be made much less air on a major network is another sign of just how far society has turned from God and the Bible. And certainly how easy the hearts and minds of many people are open to satanic deception.
The Trailer
Below is the trailer for the show:
And here is the show synopsis:
“Lucifer is an American television series that is set to air on Fox, and it is a loose adaptation of the comic book character created by Neil Gaiman for the comic book series The Sandman and its spin off comic book series Lucifer written by Mike Carey, both published by DC Comics’ Vertigoimprint.
Based on the characters created by Neil Gaiman, Sam Keith and Mike Dringenberg for DC Entertainment’s Vertigo imprint, the TV series centers on Lucifer who, bored and unhappy as the Lord of Hell, resigns his throne and abandons his kingdom for the gorgeous, shimmering insanity of Los Angeles, where he gets his kicks helping the LAPD punish criminals.”(source).
Creating Sympathy For The Devil
Lucifer shares a cute moment with a child on the show.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.- John 8:44.
The clear aim of the show is to change the image of the Devil from the Biblical description. As stated in the passage above, The Lord Jesus Christ called Satan a “murderer from the beginning” and “the father of lies.” It is deception that Satan initially used in the Garden of Eden to lure Adam and Eve, the first two human beings, into sin:
Now the serpent was more [subtle] than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. – Genesis 3:1-6.
The book of Revelation confirms that the serpent in the Garden of Eden was the devil: “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (Revelation 12:9). Satan deceived Eve by telling her the exact opposite of what God had commanded Adam: that if they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they would “surely die.” Casting doubt about God’s Word has been one of Satan’s main weapons in his efforts to destroy humanity. In the Lucifer TV series, the Devil only tells the truth. Most of his power over people is demonstrated by his ability to tell them the blunt truth about themselves and their desires. And on top of his honesty, the Lucifer of the TV show wants to help humanity. As one review of the pilot wrote: “Believe it or not, a creature who brings evil and temptation sometimes may do nice things, such as help to investigate a murder, save human life, and refuse to accept any human soul even if they are willing to sell it to him.” This is precisely the type of lie Satan wants to plant in their hearts and minds of humanity.
Satan’s Hatred of Humanity
Satan plays with a coin with a Satanic Baphomet symbol at the bar of his night club.
The book of Job, one of the oldest books of the Bible, provides insight into the Devil’s hatred for humanity. In the book Job, a wealthy and powerful patriarch who a true believer in God. He lived a Godly life of faith and raised his family to worship God:
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east. And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. – Job 1:1-5.
Job not only provided for his ten children, he set a Godly example by offering sacrifices on their behalf and seeking God’s mercy for any sins they may have committed. He was a man who “eschewed” or wanted no part of evil behavior. And Job would have his faith tested as he was the subject of a challenge between God and the Devil.
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. – Job 1: 6-12.
This is one of the most remarkable passages in the Bible. It records a direct conversation between God and Satan. And it reveals a great deal of information. First off we see that Satan is not in Hell. This is a grave misconception. Satan does not live in Hell, nor does the Bible ever record him being in hell. As written above, he travels “to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.” Satan has free access to travel all over the planet. 1 Peter 5:8 confirms this: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.”
We also learn that Satan has access to Heaven. As the “sons of God” – a title for the angelic beings are standing before The Lord in a heavenly assembly – Satan is right alongside them. God asks the Devil if he had considered tempting Job into sin and Satan responded by detailing the protection and blessings The Lord placed upon His faithful servant. God put a “hedge” of protection around Job that kept the Devil and his minions away from this God-fearing family. And then Satan moved to his true agenda – to accuse Job of not truly loving God or having faith. The essence of the Devil’s accusation was that the only reason that Job worshiped God was because of all of the material wealth that he enjoyed. And that if that was gone, Job would curse God “to His face.”
Lucifer’s special coin bears an image of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
This revealed Satan’s intent – as was the case in the Garden of Eden he wants to corrupt humanity and expose all people as evil before God. Revelation 12 describes him as “….the accuser of our brethren… which accused them before our God day and night.” The name Satan in Hebrew means “adversary.” When given access to Job, his hateful, wicked agenda was further revealed:
And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother’s house: And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them: And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother’s house: And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. (Job 1:13-19).
With permission granted to attack Job if he so chose, the Devil did not hesitate to destroy everything Job held dear in life. The thousands of sheep, oxen and camels which provided so much wealth and success were stolen and killed. Satan tempted different groups of people to rob Job and also used fire from Heaven and a windstorm to kill Job’s livestock and children. The abilities of Satan to actually harm people should not be underestimated. The book of Ephesians refers to Satan as “the prince of the power of the air.” The Devil hated Job and since God would not allow him to physically harm him, he wanted to ruin his life. Though Job had done nothing to him personally – in a moment the Devil killed all of Job’s ten children. He wanted to hurt Job deeply. This is who Satan is – a being who wants to destroy humanity.
The Devil ruins a wedding by urging the bride to confess she does not truly love the groom.
Though he had taken everything of worldly value from Job – he had no power to take Job’s faith. This was proven by Job’s reaction to all of the devastating news about the destruction of his household:
Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped, And said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD. In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. – Job 1:20-22.
And this reveals the heart of a true believer. A Christian understands that this world is fallen and corrupted – specifically because of Satan’s deception of Eve in the Garden. It was Satan who plotted humanity’s fall. Sin plunged the world into a downward spiral depravity and gave the need for redemption. Job understood this and that is why he still praised God. Because he understood that his soul being saved for eternity was more important than any earthly wealth. Having his children die and go to Heaven was far more important than them outliving him as unbelievers. And thus the challenge between God and Satan continued:
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown. And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes. Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. – Job 2:1-9.
Permitted to harm Job short of taking his life, Satan covered Job with gruesome, ulcerous, sores all over his body. As if murdering his family and destroying his wealth was not enough, the Devil wanted to harm Job so badly that his appearance would be frightening to others. And why? All out of pure hatred and a desire to do evil. To show that Job did not really have faith when times were hard in his life.
Even Job’s wife gave into sinful temptation when she told him in verse 9: “Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.” The one closest to him was so frustrated with the pain and suffering they had endured she mocked Job for still trusting and believing in The Lord. And after all, how could Job still believe? How could he possibly think God was “for him” or that there even was a God when he lost all of his children and suffered so much tragedy? How could God possibly be “good” and “fair” if Job had such a horrific turn of events? Well, this is precisely what Satan wants all people to think today. Casting doubt against God and His Word is Satan’s main weapon in turning people over to evil and luring them away from ever believing and trusting in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins.
Although he is portrayed as cool on the TV show, there is nothing funny about Satan’s fall and agenda.
Also note that Job’s wife did not say “God doesn’t exist! Forget about this religion business!” She urged him to “curse God.” And that goes to the heart of many unbelievers today. For many people who are atheist or agnostic or some combination thereof, it is not an issue of not believing God exists, their position is a result of a deep-seeded resentment of The Lord. Turn on the television to listen to a Christian skeptic and often they accuse God of being “cruel”, “vengeful”, “sexist”, “racist” or “violent.” But then their conclusion is that God is not real, so they are one hand criticizing God while at the same time asserting that He is imaginary. This is of course an illogical position but it does not stop many people from expressing it every day [Beginning and End previously reported on pro-abortion protesters even chanting “Hail Satan” at Christians and protesters storming a Christian conference yelling their wish that Mary “had an abortion.”]. And this is the temptation that Satan provides. Because of the sinful nature of humanity, we are naturally at odds with God.
Many today are openly expressing their hatred for God.
Romans chapter 8 says: “Because the carnal mind is enmity [at war] against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” Since we are naturally predisposed to be have harsh feelings towards The Lord, it only takes a small temptation to make us question, mock and even express hatred towards God. Many people who have suffered loss, the death of a loved one or who are suffering from a disease or debilitating condition often feel the urge to express rage towards God. Wondering “why me?” or “Where was God?” in the midst of a tragedy is a natural reaction for our fallen, sinful nature.
When pushed by his wife to give into his grief, Job demonstrated his faithfulness yet again: “Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.” (Job 2:9-10). Job remembered that God did something for him so wonderful, loving and powerful that no person, tragedy or evil cold ever take it from him – God saved Job’s soul. The book of Romans again informs us that:
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. – Romans 5:5-9.
Despite our harsh feelings, doubts, skepticism and even hatred towards God, the Bible and Christianity, God “commended” or proved His love for all people by sending Jesus Christ, His Son, to die for all people on the cross. Jesus Christ gave His life as a sacrifice to take the punishment for all the sins that humanity has committed. The very thing that caused the void and separation between humanity and God was going to be resolved and put away for ever by the shed blood of Christ. By serving as a sacrifice for all people, Jesus Christ earned the power and authority to reconcile all those who believe in Him back to God. It is by trusting in Christ that a person is no longer “enemies” with The Lord and can be redeemed from their sin and freely forgiven.
Lucifer confides his “compassion” and “concern” for humanity to Maze – a female demon and consort.
Understanding the true nature of Satan and the true nature of God is how a man like Job can maintain his faith through an earthly tragedy. Satan wants to cast doubt about God so people will live their lives for themselves and their own lusts, curse God, die and go to Hell and the Lake of Fire (which is where the Devil’s ultimate place of punishment will be). God wants people to know Him and realize how much He loves humanity. The Lord wants people to be aware of their sin and disobedience and recognize that only a loving Father would continue to freely forgive children who disobey Him daily. And for all people to realize that the world to come, where Jesus Christ will rule and those who believe will never die – is far better than this sinful, corrupted world where Satan has temporary authority to tempt and deceive.
In today’s world, where many people are not as familiar with Biblical Christianity, the doors to deception are wide open. In the Lucifer TV series, the Devil is spurned to good behavior after a conversation with a pop star who attributes all of her success to selling her soul to the Devil. Lucifer quickly informs her that she in fact did not such thing (aside from one “favor” he granted her early in her career). The singer is later murdered and Lucifer wants to help the police solve the crime. So from the onset, the Devil becomes a sympathetic figure.
Amenadiel, a rival angel, is sent by “God” to force Lucifer to return to Hell.
In the show Satan runs a popular nightclub. He is good looking, well-dressed and cool. Always the gentleman, he is just as ready to help a woman in distress as to have a kind conversation with a small child. He becomes so concerned for humanity that his own demonic consort, Maze implores him to “stop caring!” so much about people. When a rival angel appears on the scene – it is only to inform Lucifer that “the Father” insists Lucifer return to Hell – implying that God will not allow Satan to turn from his wicked ways. So Satan wants to help people and God wants him to stop. And beyond passing references, there is of course no presence of The Lord and no mention of Jesus Christ on the show.
Tune Out Lucifer
Satan is not going to quit in his effort to deceive humanity until Jesus Christ defeats him for good.
Many television shows have tried to cast doubts about God or place the Christian faith in a bad light. But few have ever made Satan a hero, much less the main protagonist. Lucifer is trying to do just that. And in this age, where many have given into the temptation to doubt or reject God, a show like this can be a smash hit. The Bible says: “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 11:3). The Devil will use any means to corrupted the hearts and minds of people, turn them from God and to himself. Ultimately, Satan wants to be worshiped as God, something that he will achieve in the last days before the Second Coming of Christ. And pop culture has been a major weapon in his arsenal to achieve this. Do not be deceived. One Million Moms, an advocacy group that seeks to remove inappropriate content from the media, started a petition to have Lucifer cancelled from Fox’s 2016 schedule.
Pray for the Fox network to cancel Lucifer before it even airs. And for those people who would make a show celebrating Satan. It is very easy to say “it’s just a television show!” but when it comes to someone’s eternal destiny, it certainly is not. If you are a Christian, reject shows that want to change the image and “brand” of Satan himself while casting God in a negative light. And if you are not a Christian understand that there truly is a battle being waged for your heart, mind and ultimately your soul. Take the time to know God from the Holy Bible, not a TV show or movie – and understand that God does truly love you and wants you to be reconciled to him. And rather than lead you to sin and Hell – He wants to free you from it for eternity.
Bore da/Good morning and hi
Hi B+E
I see you are back criticizing Hollywood again, these TV series are nothing more than a child’s fairytale, they are there to entertain and get us away from stresses of today. I have just watched some of the pilot episode for this series and found it rather refreshing that we have a devil who is helping society. He (devil) is going after the baddies, which your god should be doing if it was real life! I am not sure if it’s my type of show, I am old, and my tastes have changed over the years, however, I think the younger generation will like the show, it’s light and comical in a way, and shows a demonic church creation to be what it is, a myth! Let’s have a blog on real issues that affect the world, I can think of one that has been an issue for the last 2,000. Which has the makings for a good TV series, and it’s got all the ingredients for an excellent plot, it’s misleading, controversial, fraudulent, fabricated, Bloody, horrific, sacrificial, and totally contradictory. And that’s what I call a good story!
Cofion (Regards)
Jero Jones, Mab Cymru
Hi Jero,
You said,
Let’s have a blog on real issues that affect the world, I can think of one that has been an issue for the last 2,000. Which has the makings for a good TV series, and it’s got all the ingredients for an excellent plot, it’s misleading, controversial, fraudulent, fabricated, Bloody, horrific, sacrificial, and totally contradictory. And that’s what I call a good story!
What is it? Atheism? No it couldn’t be, sacrificial doesn’t fit the bill. Everything else does though.
Hi Jero,
Actually! Sacrificial does fit! Think about how many Atheists who have sacrificed their eternity by rejecting the truth in order to be saved! All for what? So they could live in sin? Great idea for a show!
The great thing about Atheism is that it is free from the hollow threats of eternal damnation for those who dare to follow a different path. People of all beliefs have caused hatred and violence, but only a select few are condemning all the others to eternal hell, and they do so because that’s what they believe God wants. What you must understand is, allot of people want nothing to do with such a vengeful and angry God, they see it for the fear based method of control that it is.
Although my beliefs are very different to Jero’s I would never wish on him or his family anything but love and happiness, I would never tell him he is going to hell, I respect other human beings far too highly to act is such a way.
With that said, I do get that you believe you are doing the right thing. Good people can be made to do bad things if they are tricked to believe it’s for a good reason. If you can make someone believe it’s what God wants then they are putty in your hands, just look at suicide bombers. We are living in a world controlled by dark forces and religion has been its greatest tool.
Hi Magical Enlightenment Nears,
You said,
The great thing about Atheism is that it is free from the hollow threats of eternal damnation for those who dare to follow a different path. People of all beliefs have caused hatred and violence, but only a select few are condemning all the others to eternal hell, and they do so because that’s what they believe God wants. What you must understand is, allot of people want nothing to do with such a vengeful and angry God, they see it for the fear based method of control that it is.
Regardless of what you believe, we all spend eternity somewhere. God has set eternity in our hearts (Ecclesiastes 3:11). But it’s a choice, that we make for ourselves. According to the law, stealing is wrong, right? It doesn’t mean you can’t physically take something that doesn’t belong to you. But if you get caught, you could be facing jail time, or have to pay a fine. Crimes have to be punished, or payed for. We’ve all committed crimes against God and His law! The crimes are called sin. God tells us what sin is. Doesn’t mean we can’t physically do it, but just like the law of our land, there are consequences. So why is God always made out to be this powerful tyrant? Well, it’s the same reason criminals don’t believe in the justice system. By admitting the justice system is good, they are admitting that their lifestyle is wrong! So for an atheist, it’s much easier to say “God doesn’t exist” and live how you want. If you admit God exists, then you admit your morally responsible to Him. But just like a fine can payed in court, your crime of sin has been payed for! God stepped down in history in the person of Jesus of Nazareth (John 1:1, John 1:14). He died on the Cross for our sins, a perfect sacrifice (Colossians 1:22). He rose on the third day, defeating death (1 Corinthians 15:4). Now, by putting your trust in the Savior, God can legally dismiss your case! The Bible calls the “Gospel” or good news. I couldn’t agree more. Men perish because they reject the truth in order to be saved (2 Thessalonians 2:10). Key word is “reject”. The choice is yours. God doesn’t send anybody to hell, we do a great job of walking ourselves there! Praying for you!
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 (KJV)
I believe we do reside in eternity, because we are not our bodies but our soul. Yes stealing is wrong according to the law, but those responsible for making the laws are the biggest thieves out of the lot, a bit like Yaweh and his laws. According to Sharia Law a woman must cover up, but do I think it’s a just law? No.
Do I think Gods eternal punishment is a fair law? No.
According to you, we are born sinners, and so it matters not what we do in life because the only way we can be saved is by begging for forgiveness for something we didn’t actually do.
God is made a powerful tyrant because he orders the death of millions in the Bible, persecutes woman, is intolerant of gay people, and wants to send his own creations to eternal torment for doing the exact things he knew they would, when he made them. Effectively your law is, follow what we do or face the consequences
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What your religion does is try to eliminate any other belief system; yet diversity of beliefs is as inevitable as diversity of culture, no two people are ever exactly the same yet you believe we should all believe exactly the same thing as you or go to hell.
I’m praying for you too.
Hi Magical Enlightenment Nears,
You said,
I believe we do reside in eternity, because we are not our bodies but our soul.
Then You said,
Do I think Gods eternal punishment is a fair law? No.
Crimes deserve punishment just like sin! If your soul is eternal, and your a sinner, which we all are, then your soul is a sinning soul for eternity. Which requires eternal punishment. I gave you the Gospel earlier, and you didn’t mention it once. Deep down you know it’s true. You don’t have to perish! God loves you so much, He died for you! Anybody who didn’t accept that is a fool. Only a fool says in His heart that God doesn’t exist (Psalm 14:1)
You said,
Yes stealing is wrong according to the law, but those responsible for making the laws are the biggest thieves out of the lot, a bit like Yaweh and his laws.
This shows your feelings for God just like the criminals feelings for the justice system as I said earlier. A criminal who doesn’t want to admit he’s a criminal says things like “F*** the police, screw the justice system. They’re the real criminals”. Just like you said about God. Charging the law giver as being corrupt, doesn’t justify your sinful ways! In fact, it shows that you know your a sinner who does wrong willfully! And it makes you feel better to say “well God is the corrupt one not me”.
You said,
According to you, we are born sinners, and so it matters not what we do in life because the only way we can be saved is by begging for forgiveness for something we didn’t actually do.
It does matter what we do. Yes we are born sinners. We are all born with a natural urge to go against God’s will! And it is something we “actually do”. How many lies have you told in your life? Too many to count? How many times have you used God’s name in vain? Too many to count? Jesus says “if you look with lust you commit adultery of the Heart” (Matthew 5:28). How many times have you looked with lust? Too many to count? But your ignorance of the Scriptures shows your anger and hatred for the very God who died for you and wants to save you so bad!
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)
See that? He doesn’t want you to perish. But you have to accept His truth! It’s up to you! The argument “I don’t want to follow a God who sends people to Hell”, just doesn’t hold water! Read the Scriptures!!! Before you comment, look up some of the Scriptures I’ve posted in my last few comments.
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1 John 4:16 (KJV)
The thing is I just honestly do not see myself as a sinner, I don’t see anyone as a sinner, I don’t believe in original sin, it just does not resonate with me in the slightest.
I do not believe the Gospel to be the absolute word of God, I went to Bible school as a child for many years (I still have the pink Bible they gave me as a gift in 1992, it is sitting next to the Quaran on my book shelf) and even then I saw through it. I do appreciate that you believe you are trying to help me avoid eternal damnation through Jesus, but I do not agree that I need it.
I believe we are all God and that God is life itself.
I see this world as a passage through the darkness so we can truly know ourselves as the light, during this time inevitably people do bad things, but that does not make them inherently bad. I don’t know how anyone can respect those in authority that do not lead by example themselves, including Yaweh. He killed millions in the Bible yet tells you it’s wrong, that’s some bad parenting right there.
I have both done some very evil things in my life and had some done to me, once I was beaten so badly I had an out of body experience and was watching myself getting kicked in the head from above, yet without them I wouldn’t have become the person I am today. The thing is until you have lived a day in someone else’s shoes you have no right to judge them for what they have done.
I have vividly experienced memories of multiple lives going back to ancient Egypt, I know I have lived before and I know I will be back again, there is no eternal hell. There is no punishment, yet for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, this is played out over time periods your human brain could not even perceive and it all balances out in the end; order is born from the chaos.
Look up the story to the book:-
Soul Survivor: The Reincarnation of a World War II Fighter Pilot
Just one of the many, in fact the anecdotal evidence for reincarnation and multiple lives is truly resounding. Of course Christianity as you believe in it becomes invalid when one sees this; religion is going to need to expand in a new age of spirituality.
My beliefs about God are more aligned with Neale Donald Walsch’s than any scripture. Now that is a God I can openly accept and a God that makes sense to me.
But to each his own, we are all playing an important role by being who we are. Despite the differences in our beliefs, I thank you for your input and may God bless you.
Hi Magical Enlightenment,
Thanks for your comments. I want to respond to several points you have made but I will address them in their respective posts. In this one I am replying to you wrote:
The thing is I just honestly do not see myself as a sinner, I don’t see anyone as a sinner, I don’t believe in original sin, it just does not resonate with me in the slightest.
1. You say that you are not a sinner. How many lies have you told in your life? If you are not a sinner this should be an easy question to answer.
2.If you are God and God is life itself – do you believe you are going to die? If so, why would you ever die, if you are indeed God? -B&E
You know, the one question they never want to answer? Why God felt the need to place the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden to begin with?
Hi Magical Enlightenment,
You said: “I’m praying for you too.”
Who are you praying to? -B&E
Just because I have told lies that doesn’t make me a sinner in the way the Bible describes ie eternally damned, yet for every action there is a reaction, when I deceive others I will be deceived. If I tell a lie, I don’t believe I will be punished with eternal hell.
Sure I believe this physical shell called Wayne Moss will die, but I know for sure that is not who I am. Our Earth suits are transient but our soul is eternal.
I’m praying to the God I believe for Colin and for all people.
Hi Magical Enlightenment,
Thanks for your response. But you did not answer my question. I asked how many lies you have told – not whether you have ever lied. Why don’t you provide an answer?
It is an erroneous notion to think you have been lied to equally for the amount of times you have lied. You have absolutely nothing to base such a principle on. It is just man-made, corrupted thinking. All you are trying to do is excuse your sin – which is of course a natural human reaction because all people are sinful by nature.
And again – if you are God, why die? Why the need for hypnosis to learn things? You have trusted in the folly of the New Age movement. How do you know your soul is eternal? How do you know what’s going to happen to you when you die? You are basing all of this on your own imagination. The same for the God you are praying to. What God is it?
All this uncertainty and confusion will persist. Because try as you might you cannot evade the inescapable fact that you are indeed a sinner. You are a corrupt, depraved sinner just like me. And the New Age movement offers no solution for that. It deceives its followers into disregarding sin and elevating themselves. This is precisely what Satan was urging Adam and Eve to do in the Garden of Eden. The entire message of Satan is the New Age movement: Ignore the teachings of the God of the Bible, there is no right or wrong, you are God, you will never die. This is basically what you are preaching.
And to that I say: do not be deceived. You are indeed going to have a soul that outlasts your body. And it will stand before a just, Holy, and Perfect God to be judged. And everything you are presently saying will only confirm your guilt. But there is another way to true peace with God:
Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus is the Creator. And Jesus is the bridge between Heaven and Earth. We reach the Divine by believing in and being redeemed by the Divine. We cannot get their ourselves. God had to come down to our low level and bring us out of the mess and much of our sin. This is why Jesus came to Earth. To bring true peace between man and God and restore that spiritual union. And the pardon for your sins is offered freely as Christ took your punishment on the cross. The only question is will you receive it or continue to trust in the God of your imagination? I hope and pray you do the former. -B&E
Like any human that has lived during the time of darkness I have lied, if I was to tell you how many times I would be lying because I don’t know, and I’m pretty sure no one really knows. Even when one thinks they are telling the truth they can be lying. Like if you turn out to be wrong with what you say then everything you ever said about God was lie. You lived your whole life based around a lie because you were scared. Yet do I think you are a sinner for doing this? No, just confused.
It’s no more erroneous thinking than another human being claiming they know the absolute truth about God, you do not know for sure it’s just what you believe to be true. I believe everything balances out so to me that’s my truth.
As I have stated the only way an eternal being can know itself as such is if it also something that is not eternal ie something that dies, that is the nature of duality.
If the Christian God is almighty then why does he need a book that was written by men thousands of years ago, as his only proof of his existence? Why do you need a book to make you believe, why do human beings not intrinsically believe in the Christian God if it’s only real one?
Hypnotherapy is much more real to me than the Bible, which some of it I have read; you have never experienced past life regression but believe for certain that it’s false. Like telling someone that’s been to the moon there is no moon because you have never been.
The God I believe in is the God that has shown its self to me throughout my life and it’s not the God of the Bible, Qur’an or Torah.
No matter how many times you claim I’m a sinner it only makes me a sinner in your eyes, to my friends and family, the people that actually know me, they would say that’s nonsense. I feel sorry for you that you have such a low opinion of yourself, and other people. You believe all other ideas of God are the work of the Devil not just the new age movement as you call it, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, native beliefs such as those of the American Indians. You label any other belief as the Devil and so you elevate yourself above all those people in a way you claim I am.
I have a Muslim friend and even he is not as arrogant as to believe all others that believe differently are going to hell.
In other words God is everything including evil, therefore to hate evil is to hate a part of God.
You already know which God I believe in and know in your heart that I am as likely to believe in Christianity as you are the God that I believe in. As I say time will tell, we are on an inevitable path that will lead to us finding out the truth, and when that happens we will have our answer.
Hi Magical Enlightenment,
Thanks again for your remarks. As I said before you have taken a number of inconsistent positions. When you call someone “judgmental” you have judged them to be so. Saying “I’m just pointing it out” does not change that. You are passing judgment. That is just an example.
I did not write my post about the inconsistencies to try and put down your reasoning. I was just trying to show that you are willing to make in order to argue against the Bible. And rather than address that you are just posing more questions. I know that you are searching and I fully respect that. But you are casting a lot of judgments about the Bible in advance of reading it with an open mind and and an open heart. Pray to God. You are open to so many spiritual paths why not see what Christianity is about for yourself?
You said:
Notice the level of judgment and prejudgment in your statements. You asserted that I am a Christian because I am scared. Yet you have not even gotten to know me. It appears you are approaching Christianity with preconceived notions – something you seem to be against based on your doctrines. You then call me “confused” – which is once again, passing judgment on me. You say there is no right or wrong, many types of truths but then call me confused and proclaim my religion false. This is again an inconsistency in your position. You are not living by the ideals you espouse and you are violating the standards you proclaim when you desire.
This all goes to this point you made:
We DO intrinsically believe in the Christian God. All people do:
Everyone knows God is real. God reveals Himself to all people through creation. But because of our sinful nature many choose to not just reject God, but fight to disprove Him. Why else would you be here? Why else is Jero here? The problem is not that you don’t believe God exists. It’s that you despise the Christian God. This process is what the Bible refers to as the foolish heart being “darkened.” You will give glory and credit to every other religion except Christianity. You will take all manner of inconsistent positions so that you do not concede that Christianity is correct. Why exert all this effort against something you think is “fiction”?
All this is a product of our SIN. And that is why so many people are offended by Christianity and feel an urge to debate against it. Because we all know we are sinners and we do not want to be judged by God. But in that process we move even further from God so His Word seems even more distant and intelligible. Many scholars have read the Bible cover to cover and get nothing from it. Because spiritual things are understood by those who are spiritual. Without the Spirit of God the Bible will be foolishness to you. And I do not want this to be the case. I am not telling you to believe the Bible because I said so or because my ministry has endorsed it. I am telling you to read the Bible for yourself – but do with an open mind and heart. I am telling you to pray to God to understand Him and the message of the Gospel. I am urging you to draw near to God in live – not to wage war. It will make all the difference.
I am not a Christian because I am scared. I am a Christian because I feel the love of God who redeemed from my sin and took the wrath I deserve. I am a Christian because God gave me the gift of the Holy Spirit – not because I earned it (which I cannot) but because He loves me. And loves me so much that even though I still sin, I am still forgiven. And God proved His love by sending His only begotten Son to die in my place.
3) Hitler – this is an important point. As the passage above explained, sin is a process. We are not all equal in our sin. The people who commit the most depraved, despicable acts did not start out with those intentions. It was a downward spiral. Their hearts were darkened over time.
If you continue to reject God, the small presence of God all people have in them (i.e., the human conscience) will become “seared with a hot iron.” This means that you can become so far gone in your rebellion against God that you will do all manner of wickedness. Hitler was obsessed with murdering Jewish people and inferiors by the millions. He was a black magic pracitioner and conducted occult rituals on a regular basis. Like Pharaoh (who also saw himself as a god – like the third reich leadership) during the Exodus his heart was “hardened”. People who have done much less have stubbornly rejected God at every turn. So for someone who was as satanic and deep in evil as Hitler, seeking God is not a small thing. Could it be possible? Of course, anything is possible with God. But not that very likely based on what Scripture clearly teaches. So be careful about how much you reject the Christian faith. You are moving farther away which will only make repentance that much more difficult. This is why you are not intrinsically feeling the love of God. Or understanding it.
4) Adam and Eve – As I said before, I would venture that you have not raised a child. By your reasoning a parent is wrong if they expose their child to ANY danger at all. Children, in their homes have thousands of ways they can harm themselves. Does this mean a parent should keep them in restraints when they are not directly standing over them – so they don’t get hurt? Are parents responsible for every “ouchie” a child gets because they “allowed” that child the opportunity to potentially get hurt? Children would never mature past infancy. God gives us all choice because love requires it. You cannot force someone to love you. They can pretend and give the appearance of being loving but that is not real. Love requires volition. Parents give kids choice so they can grow up and understand what the parents are trying to teach and instill in them. God provides us choice for the same reason. Look at what God told Eve about the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil – that if she eats from it she’ll die. Now why would Eve possibly want to eat from that tree? Especially when she had free access to all the other trees in the Garden? Shouldn’t that warning have been suffice?
As sinful humans we have an natural desire to shift the blame from our sin from ourselves. But we are wholly responsible for our choices. You choose to sin every day. You choose to judge and attempt to discredit Christianity. And you will be judged by God for them. I am only trying to point you to the one choice that matters – choosing forgiveness and eternal life.
How to Get to Heaven
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hi B&E,
Thank you too, I have enjoyed this discourse.
Well if we are to say that is judgemental then you could say me calling the sky blue is me making a judgement.
I will let others decide if my views are inconsistent when compared with those of the Bible, it is obvious no matter what I was to say, you would disagree because it runs contrary to your most sacred beliefs, and that’s OK. As I have said I would be open to the message of Christianity if its core belief did not revolve around it being the only way, but you cannot and will not accept that.
This is like the pot calling the kettle black, I am called a sinner, that my God is a made up one, that I am trafficking with the Devil, you do not respect my beliefs so how can you expect me to be open to yours? There are many paths but the paths I can respect are the ones that respect mine, as I have said I have a Muslim friend and we get on well, have some deep conversations and he never tells me I’m hell bound, because he knows I am a good person.
Take note, me and Jero have very different beliefs but I respect his position because he is not claiming I deserve hell because I am a sinner from birth. He is not threatening me with violence and so we can agree to disagree in peace. Any other belief system that is willing to say mine is not the only path, just a different one I will accept, are you willing to make this statement?
Quite clearly we don’t, hence the rich variety in religious beliefs and philosophies, there would be no other religion if we intrinsically believed in the Christian God.
Which country are you from? I’m guessing its one where Christianity is the major religion, am I wrong? If you had been born in Iran do you really genuinely believe you would be a Christian?
No they do not hence Atheism, I am here because I know in the future I will be having many conversations with religious people and it’s important to practise discussing these issues. I choose this place because you are more on the fundamental side, I know for sure you will not be open to another belief system, but there are those closer to the fence who can be persuaded to let go of these beliefs for the good of the world. I do enjoy your articles but that’s more because I’m aligned with the occult and I believe they are working for the evolution of human kind, I enjoy seeing it from the opposite side. Two people can witness the same event and see polar opposite things and that I find fascinating.
I don’t even have a problem with Christians per se, most are open to compromise, but extremists of any religion of exclusivity I am against, because their views lead to anger and hostility, separation and disharmony.
No quite the opposite, if you go around accusing someone of doing something they haven’t done, of course they will be offended. You make people a sinner with your beliefs from birth, and you want us to remain silent? For me there is no spirituality in religions of exclusivity.
I ask the question, do you fear God? If you do then your belief system if fear based, it’s quite simple.
See that is where you are wrong, I do not need the Christian God to not do evil, to not hurt others, when you believe in the unity of all things, to harm another is like punching your own face, it’s not morally wrong, but it is rather stupid. Tell me do you need God to stop yourself slapping your own face? I worked with a Pharoph in Ancient Egypt, in fact Amenhotep is a guide of mine, as I found out during between life hypnosis. There are those who are Christian that have committed acts of pure evil, in fact people of all beliefs have. There was a time when I was an angry young man that would have punched you in the face for giving me a funny look, but I have completely changed from those days thanks to my understanding of God, my heart has become lighter, not darker as you say.
I will be completely honest here, no I have not raised a child, I was born with a deformity to one of my testicles that led to me needing it to be removed when I was 27 and since then I have no interest in females sexually. Maybe you can see why I had such a problem with God in the first place.
Well you are changing your tune, one minute you are saying we only need love and that we don’t need evil, and then you are saying it’s the choice that allows us to grow and you are right that is what I have been saying all along. Sometimes we must experience bad things for our own growth, we must have a choice. Of course that is all part of being a good parent, a child will learn nothing if they are molly coddled and wrapped in cotton wool their whole lives.
Why do some kids swallow bleach with a skull and cross bones on it when they know it could kill them? Because maybe they didn’t understand the true ramifications of the choice they were making. As I have said a good parent does not test their child in this way, you wouldn’t deliberately leave the bleach on the side as a test to see if your child will obey you. If I say to a child these matches are very dangerous and then give them a pack, they are making a choice they do not fully understand, like Eve.
From what I have been told I will be playing an important role in changing people’s beliefs on religions of exclusivity. In fact I feel like it is one of my major life purposes through my book and my work to bring an end to the saying “my path is the only one, and you will not get to God through anyone but me.” When we achieve this such religions will be in such a minority the human race can move on free of this threat of eternal damnation. From what I understand even most of those who follow these religions now will change their tune when what is coming transpires. They will be left with no doubt that these beliefs can only lead to war and division, and so these beliefs will evolve or perish.
I think you can see quite clearly the position I hold, I thank you for your input, these conversation are valuable to my own quest. We are attempting to do the opposite things, but we are not all that different, I believe you do have good intentions.
I absolutely love that! I am so DONE with Christians, or Pagans wanting to twist all the Truth, into thinking their screwed Church views are CORRECT. I was Nor born to be Saved. I was not born into SIN. As much as the Bible has some merit, about knowing yourself and your own power, it is filled with Bull all through it. Lucifer is a bringer of Light in their Book but they refuse to see it. I was raised into Christian bull$….and I’m glad I’ve removed that virus from my mind. I love the Show, I think Christians need a GREAT Wakeup call out of their Fantasy land. Again, I was raised in it…I was also taught very well how to read the Bible. But it is NOT my Book for living Life. Inside me, is My Own Power and that’s how I live my life. Love…is an interesting thing, and it’s not what I would attribute to the Christian God. I do however attribute Love to the actual Gods, yep, that’s with an “s”. Just like Genesis shows “Our”. As in more than 1. I hope the TV show goes on for years to come and mocks the poo out of Christianity, as it really, really needs it! They’ve stolen everything from Pagan and Hebrew, so…I’m cool with Lucifer actually making better sense of American Christianity which is nothing like the original Christianity. I’m 50. I had a lot of fun poking fun an flawed Christian “Beliefs” through my years while also being open MORE of the World and Life. I totally respect Buddha and Pagan/Wacca ways. I don’t respect American Christians, except for the right to, well, believe their Peacher’s junk. Love rises is ALL of us. Every Living Being, and each one of us are Selfish, rightfully so. That’s “God” to me. Not the Punishing git in the Bible. “God has a plan, but none of you are worthy of knowing it.” what a load of whoooy! If that were the case we wouldn’t have Intelligence and a Soul. Yep, there is a Plan, to Learn and Grow and constantly EVOLVE. The Christian Way isn’t the only way..I have FREEDOM to Choose and I Choose NOT, absolutely NOT to be a Christian. It didn’t feel good when I was 4 to 10…and at 50 it wouldn’t. I am not an Atheist because I’m not a Christian. Such limited understanding Christians have.
Bore da/Good morning and Hi
Hi A Magical Enlightenment Nears
Nice epithet! And thanks you for being a beautiful human, with your nice and kind words, as there is not a lot of LOVE within the Christian world. I was brought up as a Christian in the 1940’s and early 1950’s, to be a good Christian by my mother, herself a historian. Now since the mid 1950’s things changed as a college student I loss of my faith and gained the truth through knowledge. Today, I am retired and still working 24/7 (if my wife doesn’t stop me) on my chosen subject, Christianity and my nation’s history, subjects that are still as bright today as they were all those years ago. In that time, I have had lots of narrow minded Christian call me abusive names, some so profound that I dare not utter, not because I lied, but because I told the truth. A truth that they did not want to hear!
Thanks again.
Cofion (regards)
Jero Jones, Mab Cymru
Hi Jero,
Thanks for your kind words they are appreciated. Love is so important to changing the world and it can never be found in a faith of exclusivity. I desire more than anything to change the world with my fellow beautiful humans and create our own heaven on earth, I have no desire to pack off 90% of the world to hell while I reside in paradise. For me if we are not all there then it is not paradise. Each human, animal and plant are my fellow earthlings and we are sharing this home together.
I also attended Bible school as a child in the early 90s and nothing turned me away from God more than that. I am so happy to hear you have dedicated your life to searching for truth, wisdom and knowledge, it serves you well. The whole truth can never be found in one book, it takes an observation of the whole of human history and behaviour to glimpse the bigger picture at play.
I do find extremist Christians to be intolerant and narrow minded, I do genuinely believe they have good intentions but they are ruled by fear and so it has the opposite effect. It is up to people like us to continue to challenge these views, for to remain silent is to condone it and a religion that’s fundamental belief is in the extermination of billions of souls, in a Hitler style holocaust means we cannot remain quiet. They may try to wrap up in the guise of something benevolent but it is what it is.
Keep up the good work Jero, when the light of knowledge reaches a critical mass things are going to change dramatically very quickly and you are playing an integral part in those efforts.
Hi B&E
I’ve been contemplating our discussion and thought of this, I may even add these ideas to the book, so thank you for the inspiration:-
The Devil being in the Garden of Eden is like the small dark dot in the light (Yang) side of the yin yang symbol, representing the lights eternal link to the dark side. Likewise the little white dot in the dark side (Yin) represents the dark side’s eternal link to God, for even in the darkest of places you can still find God, as we have proven, this is why Lucifer is seen as the fallen angel, because he is an angel turned demon. This is who we are in this world, we are Gods dark side, by owning our dark side we can find the power to forgive what has happened here during the darkness.
By going through this process we are filled with the light of God, and the experience of our dark side fuels us into the light, by having the choice of good and evil from the tree of knowledge we come to know who we truly are…God, Divinity itself. Only by having the choice of the darkness could we choose the light, only by having the choice to do evil could we choose to do good, because without the choice for both, there is the choice for neither.
If we were forever obedient children of God then we would learn nothing, we could not grow, eating the apple was not something to feel guilty about, God knew we would do it because she made us to do so, this was because only by understanding who we were not, could we truly understand who we were.
Even the Devil doesn’t want us not to know who we truly are, so why would God? Why would God not allow us to have the choice to be Free? Free to make the choice? If I give you a choice to do two things and the result of one is eternal punishment that is not a choice, it is a threat, a command. Unless you are free to choose to be enslaved, you can never be free, and this is why we go through what we do, by knowing all this bad stuff we can know the good. Is pain not worth experiencing joy? Fear not worth feeling Love? Not knowing you are God worth truly knowing you are God? Absolutely and that is why we do it, you and I.
Like a diamond
From black dust
It’s hard to know
What can become
If you give up
So don’t give up on me
Please remind me who I really am
Everybody’s got a dark side
Do you love me?
Can you love mine?
Nobody’s a picture perfect
But we’re worth it
You know that we’re worth it
Will you love me?
Even with my dark side?
(Kelly Clarkson)
I am here to remind you that you are God, and of course I can love you with your dark side because without it I could not know you at all. This is why I don’t hate the Devil, I love the Devil, because the Devil allowed me to know God and God I love more than anyone. Now the Devil has provided us with the essential catalyst it is time for him to retire and take a back seat whilst God returns as we attain unity consciousness.
The Devil provided the fertile soils for us to grow roots in the darkness so that we are now ready to blossom towards the light. It is a great time to be alive as we are released from the darkness into the light. Let’s give thanks for the experience and use the precious lesson it gave us, and that is by overcoming it and experiencing the joy of unconditional love for the whole of life.
The Devil cannot retire until we retire from the need for the Devil, we can only do this by accepting his purpose in the balance of creation and the need for choice. When we do this we can let go and so can the Devil. It is called facing your fears, and when you do you will realise there is nothing to fear.
When Lucifer reappears and makes his presence known it is because the break of morning is upon us, for he is the herald of the dawn of spiritual day break, as we are serenaded by the sweet silver song of a lark it is time for us to know our unity with All of life once again. With the return of the sun comes a new way of perceiving life.
As the endearing “little miss sunshine” Rihanna sang
So real
So right
Can’t explain the feeling
Like the sunlight brings to life new meaning
We followed Lucifer out of heaven, and now with him we shall return to be One with God, and ALL of creation. No matter who you are and what path you walk God is for everyone, our different religions are to be celebrated and not something to be divided over. God cannot be monopolised because God is bigger than any brand of religion, a religion that claims it’s the only way to God makes itself bigger than God, the individual is trying to own something that belongs to everyone and it does this using fear. An attempt to scare the individual into believing and that is why they just bring division, if you love someone because you fear them it is not true love and this you know deep down.
Hi Magical Enlightenment,
Thanks for your response. I would like to reply to one comment you made several days ago:
First off, I am extremely sorry to hear about your condition. But understand that many of us share your pain. Many people at one time or another have “had a problem with God” because of our pain, suffering and agony that we did not cause of invite. I can relate, believe me. I have suffered much in my younger life that I was not the cause of at all. I was merely a victim. It is in our nature to question “Why?” and in the lack of a definitive answer we often turn our anger and frustration towards God. It is interesting that the God of the Bible was very real to you when you said “you had a problem with God in the first place.” You did not place that blame on Osiris or Zeus. You charged the Biblical God. And this is what you point to as the root of much of your feelings today.
Well I do have an answer to the question of “Why?” And the answer is SIN. Our collective sin as a race has corrupted us. It has brought the pain, illness, suffering, rape, hatred, perversion, greed, maliciousness, violence, disease and death that ALL PEOPLE on this planet have endured in some form or fashion. The Bible says:
This is the sad truth – we are corrupted by our sins. The world as it exists was not God’s original intention. but through the decision of our parents Adam and Eve, we have inherited a corrupted nature that yearns to do evil and defy God. And we have only gotten worse as time has gone on. As a result, we all suffer. We are all in pain. We are all cursed. Romans 8:22 says: “For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now” We are all suffering together. This is why so many live their lives to find distraction from the painful reality of our mortality. This is why you see multilmillionaire celebrities binge drink, become drug addicts or kill themselves at the height of their popularity. Despite “having it all” they are still empty and broken. The most famous man of our time died in such a state.
So what is the answer? It is redemption from our sin. This is what Jesus Christ promises:
Jesus Christ ended the war between man and God. Jesus Christ provides the way back to God for humanity. It’s not through a “balance of good and evil.” In this discussion you have said that you do not judge child predators and now you are defending Satan. Do you see the moral compromises you are forced to make in order to attack the God of the Bible? All in the name of “balance”? That notion is precisely what got us here in the first place (hence the forbidden tree being the tree of knowledge of good AND evil). Salvation is through a world where sin is forgiven and erased. That is true peace. That is true joy. And that is the end of our suffering. This is what God did for me.
You keep referring believing “out of fear.” You are RIGHT. If we love someone because we fear them that is not true love. I agree with you 100%. But do I sound scared? Am I trying to scare you with my words? No. I am merely sharing the love of God as it was given to me. And I am sharing it because I care about you and respect you. I can feel your desire to grow spiritually though the screen. I am merely sharing with you the truth. It will always be your choice in the end. And you well know that. I can’t make you or scare you into anything. But I can SHARE with you. And that is what I choose to do.
So again, I urge you to seek God with an open heart. Read the Bible with an open mind. Pray to God for greater understanding and for closeness with him. We are all guilty. And we can’t do anything to undo that. It is only God who can redeem us. Your current beliefs don’t account for that. Jesus Christ does.
How to Get to Heaven
Don’t be sorry, if you have understood anything about how I now see Life you will see that, what was the worst thing became my greatest gift. This is why I love the Darkness because in a perfect world where I had not had that condition I wouldn’t have been able to become the person I have. I Love who I am, I Love that I went through all that pain and Darkness and found my inner Light. This is why I Love the balance of the polarities because it is through adversity that we truly prosper, it is in being handed challenges that we rise to overcome them. To overcome adversity from the adversary to achieve ascension is an amazing accomplishment.
Knowledge and wisdom are power and unless you have the opportunity to gain them then you remain powerless. God does not disempower only empower. As it was said “smooth seas do not make for skilful sailors.” I could not be writing the book I am without what I went through, and that is my message to people. When we look back we will see the Darkness as the great gift that it was, and something we ALL choose to go through.
I blamed the Christian God because I am English and attended Bible school as a child for many years and this was my only idea of God that I had been taught, I couldn’t believe it even then. It was this idea of a vengeful and angry God that could not accept me for who I was that helped fuel my anger when dealing with my problems. But I am thankful for this because I see it was ALL part of the plan; I thank the Christian God for allowing me to know God as I do now, because without both there could be neither. The Christian God helps define my idea of God; like the Darkness brings definition to the Light. It provides the fuel for my Light to Shine bright like a diamond in the night sky.
I have just returned home from a weekend trip to Budapest (a wonderful place, a City of art and culture) and the amount of Devils adorning the Christian Churches and other buildings really stood out. And in allot of cases the Devil was holding a light/torch and sometimes a street light, the symbolism is that it is through the Darkness we know our Light, Luicfer Lights up the way. Wonderful job by the Grand Architects who pain stakingly created such Majesty.
Original sin…if my 10th cousin murdered someone and society held me equally responsible because I was related, I would not agree no matter how many times they said it was so. And you have seen my idea of the Garden of Eden is the opposite of yours. Look at the Apple logo, biting that apple has brought us knowledge and advancement, now it is time our idea of God caught up with our technology…and this is what me and others are going to achieve through our work we have been given.
We all know that according to Christianity if we don’t believe in Jesus and ask forgiveness for our sins then we will burn in Hell, that is a threat that runs contrary to free will and so it will always be rejected by those who cannot accept a God of fear, a God that only wants others to do as he tells them too. If a leader of a country said to their people, either you obey my rules or I will impale you like Vlad, they would be seen as a cruel dictator and rightfully so. I cannot accept a religion where the choice to not believe in it results in Eternal Hell, if you cannot understand why then it’s just not meant to be.
I really do appreciate that you have good intentions, and do see that you genuinely believe in what you say, but we are always going to disagree because our fundamental beliefs are polar opposites. We have both arrived at our destinations for a reason and I cannot make you a villain for that. Our journeys in Life our unique and this is a great thing. You are playing a valuable role in my own growth and the development of my own ideas. I see now this is what led me here.
Inspired by your work I have written this for my book:-
“Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” (Romans 1:21-27).
If you are to take the Bible literally then Jesus is a homophobe, he says it’s a choice and a sin, he judges them for the way they were born. The Bible even goes as far as to call it “vile affections” and say their hearts are darkened and that they are fools. In this day and age we realise the Bible contains many great things but it should not be taken too literally, it was written in a time when people were allot less tolerant towards those who were different. It is time to acknowledge it was written by man and humans are ever evolving in their understanding.
If we saw this type of prejudice on the street today we would rightly intervene. Is your highest idea of a God that loves us unconditionally one who hates our gay community? The ones who I have met have been lovely and none of the things they have been accused of, and I’m sure you know the same. To judge someone for this is like judging someone for their skin colour, or their nationality. We owe it to our friends in this persecuted group of individuals to protect them against such attitudes.
Any religion that isn’t evolving is stagnated in the past, as we evolve our ability to interpret Gods message evolves. It’s the same with all the Ancient texts we should take that which fits in with a modern world and where we are now. We must ask “do our current spiritual and religious beliefs serve us as a whole?” And the answer to that is no because they are creating division. Spirituality should lead towards unity and when we let go of the idea that our path to God is the only one, or the special one, we can come to celebrate the rich plethora of spiritual beliefs that decorate our beautiful world.
We will see that underlying the infinite diversity is an all-encompassing unity. Religions are like rivers yet God is the Ocean. We are All One expressed uniquely in an endless number of forms that weave together the Majestic tapestry that is God itself. Like each cell in the body is also the body, we are the cells of Gods body and we are God too.
If a body is at war, it cannot function, yet when the cells come together as One the power of the body is harnessed and things that seemed impossible yesterday become the reality of today.
Religions of exclusivities idea of tolerance is tolerating ONLY those who follow the same religion, all the others can go to hell. Is it any wonder we are constantly fighting when these are the deep rooted attitudes that shape our modern society? Humans have had a need to be right over the desire for peace and this is now going to change as our beliefs change. We will see the glory in appreciating the full spectrum of beliefs that make up our cultural story.
By changing our beliefs we change the world. By letting go of needing our religion or belief system to be the only right one, we lay the solid foundations for a peaceful future for our planet. A future our amazing children deserve, the future God always had planned for us. We will return to the garden by building it here on our planet.
In the grand scheme of things we are but simple creatures and our understanding of God and Life is only at the level we can currently comprehend. As we evolve so does our understanding and comprehension of the Cosmos.. Like each cell in the body is also the body, we are the cells of Gods body and we are God too.
By aligning with our universal cosmic consciousness we honour the truth of our unity and with ALL of Life, and in doing so we gain the power of the Whole. The power of God.
When my work is done it will up to others to decide what idea of God fits in with them more closely. I am here to offer a different version of events and the power of our “family” is all encompassing.
Let’s get the TV and the radio
To play our tune again
It’s ’bout time we got some airplay of our version of events
There’s no need to be afraid
I will sing with you my friend
Emile Sander Read all about it, part 2.
When the time comes, who do you think the youngsters will choose to believe, you or their heroes? Some of the people they look up to the most? Or you? This is why it was done (You have played your own part very well in alienating so many youngsters by demonising their favourite artists, again this was intentional to push kids away from extremist Christianity, as is the plan. We will accept a Christianity that honours our Unity but one that will not will disappear, and the same with ALL religions that makes themselves the Only way)
Even a man as evil as Hitler knew this:-
“He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.”
(Christians have been doing this for a long time by teaching little innocent children they are inherently bad and condemned to Eternal Hell if they do not accept what they are being told without question, but they have failed because it was built on fear and the superiority of one religion over ALL others. Just like Hitler’s master race failed. Just like it was erroneous to think those with blonde hair and blue eyes were superior, so too is it to believe one religion is superior to ALL others)
Yet this time around good things are on the way, the time of darkness is over, the youth will not be controlled by fear but empowered with Love.
My family just celebrated the arrival of my nephew, and my brother named him “Callum” meaning Dove, this was a sure sign to me from Life that peace is on the way and that the troubles are now over. And if you can say to me “my way is not the only way” I will accept your religion with open arms and be like the family we are.
We will succeed in our plan, because it is the Divine plan. It is unfolding exactly as it was planned and will inevitably come to fruition like an Apple growing on a Tree. You cannot stop it, like you cannot stop night turning to day, it is just an inevitability. Even you fighting it was inevitable because you were made to do it, and you have played your role perfectly so thank you from All of us in the Family.
Bore da/Good morning and Hi
Hi Collin
Sacrifices are a Christian trait, burning unbelievers at the stake went on for several hundred years.
With respect, in you few sentences you have used an anachronism, you used the word “Truth” instead of “Faith.” This is what the online dictionary say on Faith: 1. strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence. On Truth the dictionary states:1. the quality of being true, genuine, actual, or factual.[http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/faith] Then you mention Sin, I take it that you have not read the Christian Bible by your comment?
On the TV series Lucifer, who is portrayed as a good guy, the writer or writers must be Christian(s), it is only someone with a very good knowledge of the scriptures that could have wrote it, as everything in the plot is in the Bible! From demons to lust, murder to immorality, sex to rape, consort to paramour, etc. That is why most Christians call it the good book!
The author of the blog criticises a coin used by Lucifer, which bear an image of a crucifix within a right angle triangle. It is probably a one-off for the TV series, it is of an ancient Pagan symbol, the cross, adopted by Christianity in the mid 6th century. A similar symbol with an inverted cross is used by satanic, pagan and Christian sects, the same can be said of the right angled triangle. So I think a bit of religious anxiety got the better of the blog author. One last word, the coin in the picture shows the supposed crucifix in a Christian and Pagan mode (upright), so it is not satanic as it is shown!
Cofion (regards)
Jero Jones, Mab Cymru
Bore da/Good morning and Hi
Hi Collin
Nice one! No, however, it would be called the “Real Invisible Man” or “Him in the Cloud” or even “Prove I am Real.” I would check your history, as a humanist I have never heard of atheism committing genocide, murders, massacres, etc., although various religions have murdered atheist in great numbers, and are still doing so!
Look at the monsters of the 20th century, Hitler was a catholic, Stalin taught by the Jesuits, Saloth Sar (Pol Pot = leader of the Khmer Rouge) trained in a Jesuit monastery!
This blog on the devil, is another Christian adoption from the Pagans myths, Then Christianity invented the Witch hunt, are witches real, of cause not, however, only 150 years ago Christians believed they were real. A church invention to so it could rule its adherents by fear. I read from the Bible to say what I fell on the devil, demons, witches, etc.,: When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.[1 Corinthians 13:11 kjv]
It is about time that others put away childish things!
Nice commenting with you again Collin.
Cofion (Regards)
Jero Jones, Mab Cymru
Greetings,
I would like to bring your attention to abortion, which is largely an atheistic driven movement.
Darth Nocturnis
Bore da/Good morning and Hi
Hi Darth Nocturnis
Abortion is not my field, but I think you are incorrect with your claim that abortions are atheistically driven. I am a researcher, however, women are different to men physically and internal, and there must be grounds for a woman wanting to terminate her pregnancy. It could be on medical grounds, etc., however, it is the choice of the individual woman what she does–it’s her body. And I don’t think it is a man’s place to tell her what to do, and certainly not religion. Women in the Abrahamic religions have had a poor time of it, they have always been second class, one step up from the pet dog. We see this in Islam were the wife cannot walk beside her husband, or even show her face in most Islamic states.
Early Christianity was like that, and even treated women more harsher, as: Simon Peter said to them, “Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life.” Jesus said, “See, I am going to attract her to make her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.”[Saying 114 G.O.T] The scholar Marvin Meyer quotes Zostrianos 131:2-10 for comparison: “Do not baptize yourselves with death, nor give yourselves into the hands of those who are inferior to you instead of those who are better. Flee from the madness and the bondage of femaleness, and choose for yourselves the salvation of maleness. You have not come [to] suffer, but rather you have come to escape your bondage.” (The Gospel of Thomas: The Hidden Sayings of Jesus, p. 110)
Simeon Peter and Jesus were discussing Mary the Magdalene, and shows the illiteracy and ignorance of ancient men compared to modern man’s thinking of women in society, however, there are still religions today, as aforesaid that see women as beneath them. It is not custom, but religion that has women is shackles, etc.
Nice commenting with you again.
Cofion (Regards)
Jero Jones, Mab Cymru
Well put Jero,
The way our wonderful woman…our mothers, our daughters, our sisters have been treated by the patriarchal religions has no place in a civilised society. The one thing we all share in common is the we came from a woman, they should be revered and loved, not abused and put in shackles.
I’m not sure how these religions even have a female following given their stance on them.
If we still lived by religious laws our society would resemble that of the stone age.
I look forward to a day when woman overcome this oppression and the world will be a far better place for it. Woman have more compassion than us males, they are naturally more loving and giving, and deserve to have far more influence on whats happening on our planet. Male dominated religion has had its time now.
stfu man god isnt real its an idea people made to give them selfs hope
Hi vital
Yes, you are right, good work!
Jero: It seems our country (especially Hollywood) will go to incredible measures to protect 2% of the U.S. population (gays, lesbians) and not produce anything that is remotely offensive to them. Or 2% of the U.S. Population (Muslims) and not produce anything that is remotely offensive to them. Or 16% of the U.S. population (Blacks) and not produce anything that is remotely offensive to them. Yet don’t care if they offend if not outrage 60% (Christians) of the U.S. population. I bet if the show Lucifer would make only 1 derogatory comment against gays or 1 pro comment about the KKK, it would be off the the air within the week. I have watched the show and there are at least 3 to 4 direct derogatory comments against God or presentation of Christianity as best idiotic at worst dogmatic yet similar amounts of pro Lucifer comments per show. What gets me about Hollywood and these anti christaphobes is that they comment that Christian’s should loosen up “its just a TV show”, and to heck with them if thy can’t take a joke or pun at their religion. Wonder what they would say to the Gay community? Yet again what is good for the Goose IS NOT good for the Gander. Want an example why don’t we see reruns of “Amos and Andy”. As an aside, the biggest farce was when the Blacks wanted to boycott the Academy awards this year for lack of Black representation in the nominations. Yet one week later they actually had the BET (Black Entertainment TV) acting awards and not one white person was nominated.
Lloyd
the only part of the christian population who are even remotely b—- about this TV show are you extremists, and people have had enough of this extremist nonsense from isis and Al Qaeda, and nobody not even the majority of your fellow christians (who i might point out are in full support of this show) give a damn whether you extremists are offended or not about anything. You extremists forfeited your right to even complain about anything offending your religious beliefs centuries ago. Karma’s a —-, isn’t it? And you’re damn right that Lucifer’s going to make derogatory comments about your God, because they are father which is to say they are blood related. Lucifer is actually the immortal angelic equivalent of angry teenager. Lucifer is a grown man with a child’s mentality. And guess what real life also makes organised christianity look idiotic and in real life it is dogmatic. This show is portraying christian fundamentalism for what it really is, and if you don’t like, that’s just tough.
I disagree on one point: Satan is no longer trying to be worshipped as “God”. Satan (being a Fallen Angel) knows what is written & knows that ship has sailed. He is trying to hurt God Himself. And how does intend to do that? Destroy what He loves the most, his children -the Human Race. Satan wants to drag as many of us to Hell with him as he can before Jesus finally tosses his sorry “hide” into the Lake of Fire. Trying to convince everyone that he’s God or that he cares about us is just a few of the avenues he has & will use to achieve that goal.
Just a little typo under ‘satan’s hatred of humanity’ under the photo .
powerful patriarch who a true..
Who was a true ..perhaps. ***
Other than that great write up. Glory to Christ. Romans 1:21- 30 is a scary reality that we must acknowledge, not in self righteousness but in repentant grief and appreciation of our salvation there from.
I shall pray that this show airs and offers the world some truth about Lucifer and his real mission, to help enlighten humanity. He’s not really bad, just misunderstood…the truth is without evil there could be no good, so sometimes It’s good to be evil. He has a role to play, a job to do and it’s all becoming clear as we move forward to the time of the great revealing.
It’s not too late to turn your back on a God that will condemn billions to hell, and accept a God that desires to send no one to hell. The time is fast approaching when a choice will have to be made, maybe you shall see the light when you realise there will be no rapture. Christianity only leads to division, just like any religion of exclusivity; it’s just an inevitable result of wanting God for yourself. By denying God to others you miss out on the true glory of God, and that is unity with all things.
I bless you ALL with the love of life.
Greetings,
A couple of things should be brought to light:
1) “The truth is without evil there could be no good”
This is based on the idea that evil is somehow the other “half” of good. This is only as true as darkness is the other half of light: Darkness does not exist without the light – but light very much exists without darkness. What I mean is this: Without good in the world, evil cannot exist. Without evil in the world, good will shine as light. For it is not a shadow that causes light to shine in the corners, but it is light that creates shadow. Indeed, you cannot tell me an evil that exists without good, but there is no standard of evil that makes any action by nature good.
2) “It’s not too late to turn your back on a God that will condemn billions to hell”
Just out of curiousity………where would you be going if you did turn your back on such a “god’? If that god would condemn you to hell for not being part of him, aren’t you encouraging people to go to hell?
Clearly, this is not your point, but it is something you should consider if you are going to put forward statements like this.
Let me share with you an insight about God and “gods”. If you serve and worship a god who is merely a reflection of a reality you wish to exist, you are creating your own god. It is impossible for you to serve a “God” you did not create if that “God” operates by your ideal standards. What I am suggesting is that there is no “God” but the one true God of the Bible. No other LORD can exist except through the imagination or demonic presence. Can you describe to me a god who is not of your own making? You surely cannot unless you go to the Bible; any god you attempt to describe will simply be a reflection of what you see as the best of humanity.
Darth Nocturnis
Hi Darth Nocturnis,
Darkness is created by an absence of light, but will always exist as a consequence of light. As you say yourself the sunlight results in shadows and by its very nature light creates darkness. Do you believe man can exist without woman? Or up without down? Well to me being good can only be measured where there is also bad. In the absence of evil good would just be normal, nothing special, just the way things were. If there was no baddy there would be no superhero. If there had been no one to save how could there been a saviour? If everyone was benevolent and good Jesus would be a nobody.
I don’t believe that the Christian God is real, so no I am not condemning any one to hell because I don’t believe in it. I believe we go back to the spirit world, or the realm of the absolute, before we come back for another life with another set of things to experience and grow from. This is the afterlife I have experienced through hypnosis.
Isn’t the Christian God operating by your ideal standards? I say my path is not the only path, not the best path, just a different path. I will not accept any idea of God that does not afford me the same respect. You see Islam claims to be the one and only way with equal conviction that Christianity does, and this is why these religions can never lead to peace, you all believe you are right and everyone else is wrong.
It is like claiming French is the wrong language because you speak English and those that speak it should burn in hell. Different beliefs of God are as inevitable as different languages.
Greetings,
What you’re saying to me is that what you say doesn’t matter because I don’t agree with you and vice versa.
You cannot claim that there is no standard of good or evil without making an absolute. An absolute must have consequences, it’s just impossible to have an absolute without consequences for violating said absolute.
Frankly, you have no stance by which you can stand against what I believe because what I believe may simply be the opposite of what you believe. If what I believe is the opposite of what you believe, then you must accept that I am simply bringing the balance that you preach. If there is good and evil in balance, then there must be religion and anti-religion in a similar balance.
In regards to whether or not the Christian God is operating within my standards, the answer is no. I work to operate within God’s standards, not the other way around. If you wish to take me up on that statement, I assure you that there will not be an area in which I am greater than God but plenty in which I have to give over to God in order to be more like him.
Darth Nocturnis
Greetings to you too,
Of course for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, yet I don’t believe for the action of not believing in Jesus the consequence is eternal hell.
You have stumbled onto a deep truth there about balance, and that is for someone to believe something there must be someone believing the opposite, the difference being my beliefs do not send you to hell for having those different beliefs like yours do me, and I will let others decide which is on the side of good and evil.
Well that’s great for you, but for me I am God and God is everything. The purest state of God is complete unconditional love and that is what I am striving towards. I believe the greatest God is not the one with the most servants but the one who serves the most; this is what I strive towards. I do not believe life is about the destination but the journey. I believe it is within my blueprint to reach perfection, but in order to do so I must experience imperfection.
As Oasis sang “true perfection has to be imperfect, I know that sounds foolish but its true.”
Good evening,
If you are “god”, why would you even need to try to reach perfection? Wouldn’t being a god already make you perfect?
Darth Nocturnis
Good evening,
As I have already stated quite clearly, if perfection is all there is, then perfection has nothing to be measured against. If everyone is 5″10 there is no tall or short, if there is not imperfection there is no perfection. This is why God needs imperfection just like why God needs darkness. The only way God can know what it is, is to know what it is not.
Even in Christianity if God is perfect and complete why does he need offspring, the Devil etc? He wouldn’t need any of that because he would be in a complete state already.
Greetings,
Imperfection only comes from understand what perfection is, not the other way around. If there is no perfection, there is no imperfection. You are, quite literally, putting the cart before the horse.
The larger issue is that you are trying to understand an infinite God with finite terms. If you continue to humanize God, then you will continue to misunderstand God and his nature. If God always existed and has always existed, then he is the measure to what should and should not be. He didn’t “need” anyone or anything. He chose to create, thus the creation.
If perfection came with imperfection, wouldn’t that made perfection imperfect? You yourself brought this paradox to light in your statement to God. If perfection requires imperfection, then perfection cannot be perfect. Perfect means to be complete without any flaw. If that perfection came with the existence of imperfection, wouldn’t that be a flaw? To be hopelessly attached to something that is incomplete? That would make perfection incomplete without imperfection consequently making perfection imperfect.
This cannot be. Instead, perfection must be able to exist without imperfection.
Darth Nocturnis
Greetings,
Where there is perfection there will always be imperfection, where there is man there will always be woman, where there is up there will always be down, where there is hot there will always be cold, where there is tall there will always be short, if the other doesn’t exist neither can its counterpart. Just because tall requires short to exist that doesn’t mean tall is not is real does it?
If he was complete then he would not have created creation, there would be no need for it, it would literally be pointless to him because he could reach no better state then where he currently was. It could add nothing to him what so ever. Nothing could be gained from it, because there would be nothing to gain. In fact if he was complete it would not even occur to him to do anything but just be. If you have no need to breathe you don’t decide to suddenly start breathing.
If the Garden of Eden was paradise, then why was the Devil there in the first place? Is your idea of paradise to live alongside Satan? If you are perfect then why the need for temptation?
If God was perfect then how did he manage to create beings so imperfect? How could a perfect creator create anything other than perfection? How can a perfect being create Satan the king of evil?
As for humanising God, you are the one who says he is male and made us in his image that would suggest we resemble him, yes? You say we are his children, yes? I believe God is everything, animals, trees, the wind, the stars etc not just human. Yet you believe that only humans were created in his image don’t you? So isn’t it you humanising God? A male human at that.
Greetings,
You did not answer how perfection can be perfect if it MUST exist with imperfection. That is contrary to the nature of perfection.
You must reverse your thinking. You are viewing God from your perspective rather than viewing your perspective from the nature of God. If God came first, then we are in his image not he in ours. If God came first, he is the one who sets the measure, not we who set his. But it is very clear to me that you desire to live by your own standards and measures and so you create a God who lives within your realm of understanding.
This is how I know this: You assume that because God doesn’t think the way you do, he must be imperfect. Is this not so?
Darth Nocturnis
I am saying in the realm of the absolute perfection and imperfection are One, because there is perfection behind the imperfection. I may be imperfect but I’m perfectly imperfect, there may be chaos, but there is order behind that chaos. This is what order out of chaos means. The realm of the absolute is the place where all contradictions flow together as one. Sometimes two opposite truths can exist side by side and both be equally true, depending on your perspective.
As I have said if the God of the Bible is real and perfect then how did it create imperfect beings? If I am perfect at making something then how it can it do anything but what I created it for? If what I created was imperfect and didn’t do what I wanted it to then it was my fault. If I make a washing machine that wrecks my clothes, it’s not the washing machines fault because it is a bad, naughty sinner.
I believe we are God and that All of Creation happened simultaneously, God did not come before us, because we are God. Everything is in Gods likeness because everything is God. Time is ultimately an illusion, many of the great scientists and philosophers have realised this.
If God is everything then of course God thinks like us whilst God is in human form, I do believe Life is perfect and that everything happens for a reason. I believe in the goodness of my own soul and the soul I see shining back from everything I see. I see you as a perfect being that is one with me and everything else, you see me as a dirty sinner, our beliefs of others are just aligned with how we see ourselves. You see yourself being unworthy, untrustworthy, a sinner and so that is what you see in me. I see you as God and perfect because that is how I see everything.
I know from my own past that in this world it’s much easier to see the worst in things than the best, but when you do you feel unconditional Love for the whole of life and that is truly a gift from God.
When you can see the Light even in the Darkness you have become Whole.
If you are god then grow your balls back matter of fact why did you let them go in the 1st place
To truly appreciate what you have ,sometimes you must lose it, if I always had everything then really I would have nothing. I tell you this…it is from some of the most difficult moments of my life I have grown the most, it’s not about losing a ball but how you react to doing so that reveals who you are.
My point is you are not god
I believe collectively we are ALL God not just me, although technically speaking there is only one of us here.
I would like to add, I like the way in the still picture from the bar there are 3 downward facing triangles and 3 upwards ones on the light shade, making 6 points in total on each so = 6 6 6, if they merge they become star of Davids which represents the alchemical union of the opposites, as above, so below. It also looks like a W on top on an M, and these two letters are very important to the occult.
“On an esoteric level, the upright triangle is the response to the inverted triangle and signals the end of the alchemical process. It represents the union of the opposites, in order to accomplish the Great Work: the occult transformation of men. When combined, the upright and the inverted triangle become a six-pointed star, a symbol known as the Philospher’s Stone or the Seal of Solomon.”
Satan has no redeeming qualities..he did not die for my sins or shed his blood to redeem me from sinful nature.satan’s time is short..Yahweh reigns mightily in the 3 rd heaven ..Yahshua is the true savior.what are you going to do while judgements of Yahweh hit this earth fully?And everything is burned up from wickedness..do you really want to burn in hell forever?cast down into the firy pit?Is that your salvation and eternal bliss and happiness?repentance of sin leads to salvation and the acceptance we need a savior who is real not a demon masked as an angelic being…satan time is short..and paganism leads to death..false worship of self to other gods..Yahweh’s Holy Days need to be taught more..satan cannt do more then what peoples free will let him..he is destruction..and death..not true salvation
I am no sinner just an evolving being. But if you want to believe that, maybe it’s because that’s what you see in yourself, after all the world is your mirror reflecting back to you what you are putting out.
Without Satan you could not choose to be good, because there could be no good. In the absence of that which is not, that which is, is not. Without darkness there is no light. You should be grateful there are those willing to create evil so that you may have a choice.
From the film Legend: The Lord of Darkness: “You think you have won! What is light without dark? What are you without me? I am a part of you all. You can never defeat me. We are brothers eternal!”
Be wary for it is the darkness that preaches intolerance, like Christians have for gays or non-believers, not the light. It is the darkness that promotes fear not the light. Belief in Yaweh will not lead you to heaven; only believing in yourself can get you to paradise. When you see yourself as a dirty sinner you are disempowered. I believe human’s beings are Divinity made manifest into flesh and when we let go of this idea that we are all inherently bad; we will perform miracles. If you are brainwashed to believe you are inherently bad and unworthy then it’s no surprise when you act that way.
Nothing has disempowered people more than the idea that they need some prophet or outside source for salvation, true power is within and until you see that you will continue to go without.
But don’t worry my beliefs do not condemn you to eternal hell for believing in Yaweh.
Go try some between life hypnotherapy and “see” what the spirit realm is like for yourself. When you have seen your immortal self and experienced a higher level of consciousness you will no longer have fear. Our true identities reside in eternal paradise, we are already there, our bodies are no more than an Earth suit used to experience life in a universe of relativity. Fear is an illusion created by the body to allow it to survive. If it was not for the illusion of the universe of polarity we could not know our home, the realm of the absolute.
Hi Magical Enlightenment Nears,
You said,
Without Satan you could not choose to be good, because there could be no good.
Actually it’s the exact opposite. When God created everything in the beginning, He said everything was “good” after each thing He created. After He was done, He said everything was “very good” (Genesis 1:31). Then in chapter 3, satan tempted Eve by telling Her, “you will be like God, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:5). Well they already knew what good was. They were living in Paradise where everything was “very good”. The only knowledge satan offered was that of evil! None is good but God (Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19). When sin entered the world, death entered with it (Romans 5:12). This is why Jesus calls satan a “murderer from the beginning” (John 8:44).
You said,
Hi Colin,
There can never be something that is completely good, just like if everyone is 5 “10” there is no tall or short. Good can only be if there is bad, so effectively if God wanted us not to have the knowledge of evil then God didn’t want us to know who we truly were. Until you die you cannot know life, you would be eternal yet eternal would have no context to you, death is an illusion so we can know our immortal life. You Christians seem to want all the good without the bad, and so you deny yourself the truth and without that truth you are powerless. A great symbol that expresses this unity is the Yin and Yang, even in the dark side there is light and even in the light there is darkness.
Hi Magical Enlightenment Nears,
You said,
There can never be something that is completely good, just like if everyone is 5 “10” there is no tall or short. Good can only be if there is bad, so effectively if God wanted us not to have the knowledge of evil then God didn’t want us to know who we truly were.
This is getting ridiculous. That’s like saying, “an Eskimo doesn’t know what hot is because he’s lived around ice his whole life.” Are you kidding me? Your calling God a liar (Titus 1:2). In the beginning, God did not want us to have the knowledge of evil. He wanted us to maintain childlike innocence. Much like any decent parent would want for their own child! You keep your kids from watching R-rated movies, and pornography, and teach them not say profane words, right? When the knowledge of evil and sin entered creation, things like pride, arrogance, guilt, shame, embarrassment, and death entered with it! These are things God didn’t want us to know, and that’s not a bad thing!!! People take their own lives over feelings like these. The first one I mentioned (pride) is probably the worst of all. This very feeling was the downfall of lucifer himself (Isaiah 12:12-14, Ezekiel 28:12-18). You need to be careful! Your letting iniquity manifest itself within you much like the serpent. Your trying to put your “throne” above God’s, and trust me when I say, It ain’t going to work.
You said,
Until you die you cannot know life, you would be eternal yet eternal would have no context to you, death is an illusion so we can know our immortal life.
Non sense. Scripture will rebuke you!!! Eternal life comes through knowing God the Father and Christ Jesus!
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:3 (KJV)
You said,
You Christians seem to want all the good without the bad, and so you deny yourself the truth and without that truth you are powerless.
Read the Scriptures!!! Jesus makes it very clear that we will be persecuted for His namesake (Matthew 5:11, Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:9, John 15:21). There is all kinds of “bad” that comes along with being a Christian! Usually this “bad” stems from people much like yourself! You are the only one denying truth! Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and life” (John 14:6). If you say to yourself, “I don’t believe electric chairs exist”, then commit a crime and get sentenced to death by electrocution, it doesn’t matter if you believe whether they exist or not, your going to die in an electric chair! Denying yourself the truth, who is Jesus, doesn’t make Him go away. Good luck with that on judgment day! Everything you have commented on in this article is the exact opposite of truth. Much like your father does. Jesus rebukes you!
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:44 (KJV)
That is not an equal analogy; would you not agree that a hot bath is much better on a cold winter’s day, than during a scorching summers? Equally knowing the light is far better when you have lived in a world of darkness, than if you were surrounded by light.
Do you not think someone that has been blind their whole lives would appreciate sight more than someone that has always had it?
If all you ever knew was this idealistic innocence that innocence would mean nothing. If you were truly a good parent why even have the child in the first place if it can experience bad things? If God truly didn’t want us to know evil and God is all powerful then why even create the possibility for it in the first place? It’s like saying to your child “I don’t want you looking at porn and then leaving a porno on the table.”
If I believe I am God and that God is everything then how can I be above God? It is your beliefs that put me above God not mine. I Believe we are all one, we are all different parts of the same body. Is the right eye better than the left? No! They are different components of the same thing. Are both eyes not also the body itself too?
Do you believe in the Qu’ran? No?…have you read it? You believe I am bad because I don’t believe in Jesus, even if in real life you knew me as someone kind, caring, someone that doesn’t harm others then you would still say I’m bad because I don’t believe.
There’s a big difference, I know for certain if I commit a crime punishable by death then I will be killed, Christianity on the other hand requires massive faith because there is no evidence what so ever that we will be punished with eternal damnation, in fact there is evidence to the contrary. If I step of a cliff I will fall, if I touch a live wire I will fry, if I don’t believe in Jesus nothing happens.
There is no judgement day, I will not be judged, I have no fear what so ever of God.
How many times has someone religious claimed others as the children of Satan? The spawn of the Devil? You can say it till your blue in the face, but the truth is when you judge another it reveals more about yourself than them. I claim you are God, you say I am Satan…go figure.
I can tell you what idea of God people will end up adopting and it’s not the one that makes them wrong and a sinner from birth.
If everything god created was good then why was Lucifer evil? Why did this angel tempt Eve? If everything God created was good where did this sudden burst of evil come from?
Hi ChildofRa…I like the name, there is much wisdom to be found in the teachings of Ra. I very much enjoyed The Law of One (The Ra material). I too have a deep connection with Ancient Egypt.
This is an inconvenient question that Christianity cannot face up to, because in acknowledging its answer they have to own their Dark side, those who are afraid of the Dark are also afraid of the Light because they are One. Evil has to exist and that is why it does, a perfect God cannot create something they didn’t want to or intend to. God is both Light and Dark, it is the ALL, the everything, there is a perfectly good reason behind bad, and in in seeing this you free yourself from fear.
We are reaching a vital moment to stand up for what we believe in, and to challenge the current religions that deny God to others.
I say to them:- If you take away my freedom to choose my own path to God, then you try to take my greatest freedom, and this you will never take, through denying others you will be denied. Even an abuser is being abused whilst that abuse is allowed to continue and now this must come to an end.
It’s time for us to take our innocence back from those who condemned us to eternal sin.
God is not light and dark
1 John 1:5
This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Wow god is so bright that we will not need the sun
Lucifer is Jesus…read your bible…Jesus is refered to as the morningstar….Lucifer is greek for morningstar…or venus
Hi Magical Enlightement,
Thanks again for your comments. I wanted to respond to one specific point:
The concept of duality is a flawed one. I wonder if you have ever raised a child (I’m willing to guess the answer is no). But regardless I would pose this question: if a mother is raising her newborn baby and loves, nurtures and provides for her for a year – does she then need to abuse, neglect and be mean to that child for the baby to truly “understand”, “know” and “appreciate” her mother’s love? Of course not. An infant can fully understand love without ever experiencing hate. Children don’t even need to have the word “love” explained to them. They intuitively understand love when they are receiving it and proceed to love their parents back and repeatedly express this love. All this can be done without abusing or raining hatred on your child.
So we can indeed live a life of love, righteousness and peace. A world without evil. The only thing holding us back is our sinful nature. And that will be gone one day.
You seem to be very into the New Age movement. It is akin to junk food – enticing and exciting, but ultimately never fulfilling. It is a constant search for the newest and next idea or notion on enlightenment. And it has no solid foundation. In one post you say we should never think of ourselves as doing anything wrong. In this post you are now judging others for preaching “intolerance.” You say nothing has disempowered the world more than the idea that they need some prophet – yet hear you are trying to preach your religion and your beliefs and show us the way to salvation. You say we are divinity “made manifest into flesh” – who “made” us if we are God? How can ever be “brainwashed” if we are walking gods? Why would I need hypnosis to know my past if I am god? Do you not see the many contradictions in your reasoning?
You are clearly searching and I commend you for that. But the New Age movement fails to address the key thing that is holding humanity back from true peace and harmony: SIN. You act is if you don’t believe in sin but you are judging all of the place in your comments. And that’s okay. We all know there is right and wrong. We all judge. We all have “the residue of the spirit..” from God and thus have a conscience that informs us on morality. The New Age wants to pretend that sin and evil are not really important or are just two sides of the same coin, etc. But it is important. And we are all going to be judged by the true God. Do not be deceived. I only hope that you actually read the Bible with an open heart and mind and give it the same chance and benefit of the doubt as you do the other spiritual paths you are invested in. Your eternal destiny is at stake.
“And whosoever shall call upon the name of The Lord shall be saved.” – Romans 10:13.
How to Get to Heaven
I too thank you for your input.
The thing is God is more than just a father; God is the creator of all things. A parent can’t help that there is bad in the world and of course any parent that has had a good example themselves will do all they can to keep their child out of danger. Yet if God truly didn’t want us to experience evil and life can exist without it then why even create it in the first place?
Using your analogy, if a parent said to a child you must not play with matches, but then left a box of matches on the table and went out, is it really the child’s fault if they burn the house down? God left his children alone with the king of evil and the choice to eat from the tree yet blames his children because they did it.
You believe that it will be gone because God will punish all his naughty children with eternal punishment and leave only the obedient ones. Is it good parenting to kill your children that don’t obey you, and leave only the ones who do as you say?
You say this stuff is new age, but in truth its ancient knowledge. Indigenous cultures understood the nature of duality and unity long before Christianity arose.
Who made us if we are God? Well who do you believe made the Christian God? I believe God exists beyond time and space, is immortal and has always been and will always be. Yet due to the law of duality the infinite must experience the finite, the immortal must die to know it’s self as immortal.
If you always knew, that you knew everything then you could know nothing. It is only by forgetting who we are that we can remember once again in its full glory.
If the Christian God is complete then why the need for children? For offspring?
Your questions are all covered in the book I am writing, look out for it…it’s called “A bridge of unity across a chasm of chaos”. You will not agree with it but that’s fine. It explains in detail the nature of cycles within the cosmos and why we have gone through this period of darkness. Like night and day, there are times of darkness and times of light. We are reaching the end of the dark night of the soul and experiencing the dawning of a new day. The book revolves around the theme of a spiritual day break and the dawn of a new age. (I have seen so many references to this through music)
Oh morning come bursting through the clouds, amen
Lift off this blindfold,
let me see again
And bring back the water (the Age of Aquarius),
let your ships roll in
In my heart she left a hole
The tightrope that I’m walking just sways and ties
The devil, as he’s talking, with those angel’s eyes
And I just want to be there when the lightning strikes
And the saints go marching in
Coldplay “Us against the world”
I don’t believe things are morally right and wrong, I do believe there are consequences to our actions. If you say you want to get to New York but are heading towards California then you are heading in the wrong direction, your are not sinning just heading the wrong way. By pointing it out I am not judging you, but making an observation.
I do genuinely thank you for your concern and if God is as you say then I will willingly take the punishment for my actions.
You must see that if God is as you say then I am what you call a lost cause. I enjoy conversing with people of different views and hold no animosity towards those that chose a different path.
I enjoy your articles and do thank you for the time and effort you put into them, but I see things very differently and that’s OK. Keep up the good work and doing what inspires you, and I will do the same. As time unfolds things will all become clear.
I’ll leave you with a quote from the book I have just received “Gods message to the world, you’ve got me all wrong.”
“fear of God is not the ideal
or highest state of holiness,
consciousness, spirituality, or even
religiosity. It is, in fact, the
furthest thing from it.”
Hi Magical Enligthenment,
Thanks for your response. Again, I noticed you did not actually answer the question I posed. Does a parent have to abuse and hate their child for that child to understand and appreciate the love she received initially? This example alone disproves your theory of “light needing darkness.” It’s not true. Especially in the context of love.
You say God left His children alone in the Garden. Quite the contrary, God was there to openly speak and commune with Adam and Eve. They were not alone. But Eve chose to sin after being deceived by the Devil and lured into wrongful desires. None of that changes God’s love or concern for Adam and Eve.
You wrote:
Not so. You have missed the point of Christianity entirely. The point of the Bible is to teach you that WE ARE ALL DISOBEDIENT. No one obeys God. No one is doing the right thing. Everyone is a sinner and guilty and stands condemned. It is your choice to remain condemned or acknowledge your sin and seek God’s forgiveness.
I will just respond to one more statement you made:
So a 50 year old man who pays money to abuse a child sexually isn’t morally wrong? He’s just “going in the wrong direction”? Really? You don’t judge a person who behave this way? Do you honestly believe this? I don’t think you do. I think you know there is right or wrong. But again, the New Age movement tries to falsely encourage you to abandon those notions.
Rather than try to stand on such shaky ground – give the Bible and God’s truths the same benefit of the doubt you are giving to New Age doctrines? You have already shown in this discussion we’ve been having that you can wrong in your beliefs. Do not be on the wrong side of God’s free offer of salvation.
“Whoseover shall call upon the name of The Lord shall be saved.” – Romans 10:13.
I’m saying if all you had ever known was love, then love would mean nothing. When you have experienced hatred and then felt love, that love has a much deeper meaning. You are saying someone that has been free their whole lives would appreciate their freedom just as much as someone who had been imprisoned their whole life and set free, and that’s simply not true. If it wasn’t so then there would be no hatred or persecution, we would reside in a world of perpetual light alone. If the light didn’t need darkness then there would be no darkness
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He may have been there telling them not to do it, but that didn’t stop him letting her do it, why? He has the power; he let the serpent of evil into the garden in the first place not Eve, he created the tree and the choice, why bother? A loving parent doesn’t create danger and temptation deliberately like God did. A parent doesn’t test his child by leaving them with a drug dealer and the choice to take some crack. If love is all we need then why even have evil? Why even have a choice? If I created something and I wanted it to do a specific thing and it did the opposite, then why is that the creations fault and not the creator?
If God says you must believe in Jesus to have eternal life because you are sinner and you do, is that not obeying God? If you say no, are you not disobeying God and therefore being punished?
I tell you this; I have NEVER had an urge to abuse a child so how could I ever judge someone that has such an urge? I have never been tempted to rape a woman, so how can I judge someone who does? These things are not an option for me…I don’t have to fight the temptation because it doesn’t exist, but for some they are compelled to behave in such ways. I see it as a state of madness that comes about due to the darkness. Just because I don’t judge them that doesn’t mean I would stand aside and watch someone harm another. But in ignoring the requirement for darkness to exist in a universe of polarity, you have no power to overcome the need for it.
I admit I am forever growing and expanding and what works for me today may not tomorrow, I have said my path is not the only one, not the best one, just a different one, and I could never be a part of a religion that sets itself up as the one and only way. There are good parts of Christianity, good parts of Islam, good parts of Hinduism, Buddhism but if any tell me I am wrong and must follow their path exclusively I will automatically rebel against it, because I will not be forced into a belief system with fear.
If you go onto the website “God hates fags” you will see people that have a strong conviction that we should terminate gay people by the will of God…people that claim to be of the Christian God yet they are full of hatred and anger. Yet they believe in Jesus and so they will go to heaven, and someone like Gandhi hell, and I just cannot resonate with that.
I’m more interested to see in real life the way people behave and from that see how their beliefs serve them. I have met some nice Christians yet some have been more judgmental than any other group of people I have known.
Hi Magical Enlightenment,
Your last post is truly where the rubber hits the road. Look at what your doctrines have forced you to say:
1)The love a parent gives to their child means nothing until they let that child experience their hatred. Until a parent really hates and abuses their child, their love can not have a “deeper” appreciation.
2) Since you have never personally had the urge to sexually assault a small child you cannot judge someone who actually does it as wrong.
3) You say you do not judge but then call certain Christians “judgmental.” Which means you just judged them.
4) On one hand, you judge no one and no one is wrong. but then you say “I could never be a part of a religion that sets itself up as the one and only way.” Therefore, you just made an absolute way for yourself: never follow religions that preach exclusivity. You have contradicted the very principle you claim to uphold. Why exhaust yourself with these inconsistent positions? I truly hope you just give the Bible an open mind and heart. Instead of prejudging it, read God’s Word with a desire to know Him.
Do you see how morally dubious, hypocritical and illogical your positions are? Why? All because you don’t want to give any credence to Biblical Christianity. You want the Bible to be wrong so badly that you won’t even call a child rapist “wrong.”
Bringing up Westboro Baptist church, which is basically a man and his extended family spewing nonsense, is just a straw man argument. I have no obligation to answer for their behavior nor a desire to. Not to mention they are wholly irrelevant to this discussion.
I respect the fact that you are seeking the proper spiritual path. I am just strongly encouraging you to choose the one that actually resolves the problem we all face – our sin. And that is God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Hi B&E
Likewise you do not answer why God as a loving parent would give his children the choice, because you know that it doesn’t make sense unless that choice is integral to life itself. God put Eve deliberately in danger and how can the Garden of Eden be paradise if the Devil is there in the first place? It just doesn’t make sense.
You question the contradictions you see in my posts without addressing your own and that is a typical tactic of one that does not have the answers. Politicians do this; they avoid questions with more counter questions.
So are you saying someone that has been freed after a life time of bondage does not understand the meaning of freedom more than someone that has always been free? You really believe that? You really think if you have lived a life with chronic pain, when that pain goes, you don’t know what it is to be pain free more than someone that had a pain free life?
Doesn’t the Bible itself tell you not to judge? Yet you are judging a paedophile, contradicting yourself.
I am not making judgements just observations, when I say a Christian is judgemental I don’t say that it’s wrong, just pointing it out. I do not follow religions of exclusivity because I believe they take me in the wrong direction, I desire to experience unity and not separation. If its separation you desire to experience then to follow such a religion is the right direction.
According to your beliefs a child rapist can go to heaven by asking for forgiveness and accepting Jesus, someone that has never raped a child will go to hell if they do not. Even Hitler would have gone to heaven if he repented would he not?
Well you have obviously heard of them and know of them, I have visited the Christian forum that your posts are linked to and they say on there that you are crazy and paranoid on this site with the subject matter you cover. They are literally laughing at the way you see demonic influence in the entertainment industry…even to most Christians your brand of Christianity is absurd and extremist.
Do you not class being gay as a sin then? Because I’m sure you do. You come out and call pastors that preach a tolerant attitude to them as devil worshippers.
Hey – FYI – I addressed these points in my other response.
As for homosexuality and the Bible and whether you can be Christian and gay, see here.
God did not put Eve in any predicament. God has allowed free will from the very beginning; it is a gift. It was free will that allowed the angels to fall and Eve to sin and seduce Adam. YHWH created laws that, unlike human leaders, He too must obey.
So, when angels and humans fell, God could not interfere with the natural course of things. He had to let things play out. Humans and angels alike had to see for themselves the results of irresponsibly using free will while exercising POWER and AUTHORITY. Otherwise, there would be no proof with which to silence doubting humans that they were never meant to exercise power (without causing self-destruction), thus, in the end, proving the devil a liar. As a result, God put a time limit upon the rule of man. Power and authority is reserved for God and Angel, not humans.
The past millenniums have shown us that humans are totally incapable of responsibly wielding power and authority and this is because power and authority corrupts the human spirit. God does not take joy in seeing humans suffer. However, God obeys His own laws, so he cannot directly interfere with the course that has unfolded. The fallen angels interfered in the natural course/law and look where we are. Humans made the choice to know what it is like to be like God (or to HAVE POWER and AUTHORITY), so, once again, here we are.
Incidentally, Jesus said not to worry about what you are to say in that hour, for the Holy Spirit will tell you what needs to be said. So called Christians become proud and arrogant when they have read the Bible and have memorized its scriptures, yet can never give a suffice answer when dealing with pagans and belligerent atheist; not that a demoniac could ever be pacified.Demons hate the truth. A person who has mastered the Bible does not need the Holy Spirit to answer a question that the Bible can answer. “Because the Bible says so” does not silence a demoniac. The Jewish rabbis hated Jesus because he did not always teach/answer from the Bible/Torah. “Who gave you such authority” was always the response of those viperous experts on Moses laws. Without writing a novel, I gave you an answer. What I have told you did not come from the Bible, it came from the Holy Spirit.
The “Jewish rabbis” disagreed with Jesus because the Greek gentiles who wrote the NT knew nothing about Judaism. There has never been a central authority in Judaism. Anyone can disagree with anyone. Try reading real history before you make comments.
Matthew 7:19-20 “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. If you rape and abuse a child that is bad fruit
Hi Sharon – Amen. Very well said. God bless. -B&E
@mr. Magical – the bullcrap runs strong in your family.
You know nothing of my family.
Prynhawn da/Good Afternoon and Hi
Hi
A long time ago I believed that the Catholic Church owed humanity an apology for adopting pagan beliefs, such as the devil and demons, etc. However, now I believe all, Catholics, Protestants with it many several denominations need to apologize to mankind! There is more truth in Father Christmas, the Easter Bunny, and the nursery rhyme “Old King Cole,” than in the devil, etc.
Even satanism/satanism was borne out of Christianity. We should not be bring-up our children on such nonsense, posterity has show us that “witches” are fables of the past. And yet our ancestors slaughtered them in the thousands, both in Europe and the Americas.
Janet Horne, in 1722 was the last witch in England to be executed.
Anna Goeldi was the last in Europe, she was beheaded in 1782 for being a witch.
The Salem witchcraft trial of 1878, is seen as the last witch trial in the Americas.
However, the earlier Salem witch trial of 1692, were the most barbarous with seven women and one man being executed for witchcraft, this is what one constituted a witch in the time:
“After due deliberation the magistrates declared that a devil’s “teat” or “devil’s mark” on the body of the accused was proof of guilt, that mischief following anger between neighbors was ground for suspicion, and, most important of all, that “the devil could not assume the shape of an innocent person.” This last meant that hallucinations would be accepted not as evidence of the wrought-up condition of the accuser but as proof of the guilt of the accused.”
I have on my body a birth mark, and some blemishes due to age, however, so has 99% of the people my age, so does that make us witches?
Cofion (regards)
Jero Jones, Mab Cymru
Does Mab stand for the pagan fairy who lost her powers when Christianity was introduced to the Celts? I only assumed such because your comment was mixing fairy tales with truth. Demons are known to inspire such thinking (as mixing truth with fairy tales). There was an angel who fell looooong before the advent of theCatholic Church, so it is impossible for the Catholics to have invented him. Incidentally, many of the Catholics that I have met left the church and became Satanist or Luciferians. Lady GaGa is amongst these members (who, rather publically, leave the church and openly ‘worship’/praise the devil). I noticed as I read the comments here, some Catholics in this post seem to enjoy justifying their paganism.
PS.. whether or not Lady GaGa was jesting when she said ” I swear to Lucifer’ on national tv, making such a statement put her in league with him.
Hi B and E! I have been an ardent admirer of your blog and posts. I pray that the good Lord strengthens you and pray that God increases all your efforts in exposing the subtly guises of Hollywood directors through their deliberate wicked misrepresentations in their ALL of their movies they churn out.
It is also saddening…that some persons still refer to such ungodly misconception represented throughmovies as this one, as a fairytale and just an act of entertainment!
The producers of this series from what I have read, is wickedly bent on distorting people’s mind by presenting Satan/Lucifer in the good books and looks…thereby having a soft spot for him. This is a very dangerous scenario! The film producers truimphantly could purport to do this because they are already marked for the Devil and have no tinge of ever repenting from their lustic sins. So because they don’t want to go down alone, they want to take the unsuspecting admirers of the Lucifer series along with them (who are ignorant because they have failed to search for the truth by not engaging in reading their bibles).
For such people, I hope they change and break away from such pending doom. For us here..we have given up our televisions and cables so as not to fall victims.
Keep the good works sir B and E!
Get over it. It’s a TV show & a work of fiction, dumb—. I don’t think anyone will mistake it for a documentary on the devil. Why don’t you find something real to get worked up over instead of nonsense?
show me one verse in your Bible where it says Lucifer is Satan or the devil. The only written account of Lucifer, being Satan was written by Dante “Dante’s inferno” which he wrote after being excommunicated and tossed out of his home land. This was later adopted by the church as how to show hell to the illiterate followers of the 14 Th century. In fact Lucifer was one of the three original Arch Angels, Lucifer means bringer of light or Morning Star, Gee isn’t hat his name in the show Lucifer Morningstar i wonder if the writer did his research before he wrote this
Since the character was created by Neil Gaiman I’m thinking the name is a bit tongue-in-cheek. lol
Lucifer is also from Roman mythology. Morning star (which was actually the planet we call Venus), consort of Diana the Moon.
Yes, Lucifer is a Roman deity, and it is the Catholics who popularized the use of the name when referring to the devil that fell from heaven first. In fact, Catholics are still quite pagan with all of the deity worship that goes on in that part of Christianity (Mary, St This and That). Thanks to the Catholic church, Christmas and Easter are ‘Christian’ holidays that have origins in Roman paganism. But you’re not here to reason, are you? So I assume you’re here to justify your paganism?
Solider of YHWH
The existance and practice paganism has no need of any justification from anybody. what does need to be justified is your intolerance for it, and nothing in your bible can properly provide such justification. Paganism was the first religion the human race ever knew, and the pagan gods were the very first deity’s to ever be believed in and worshiped without there being any need for coercion through warfare or any kind of forced conversion. The practice of paganism and the belief in the pagan deities came about naturally, but the same can’t be said for your christianity, and there’s nothing in your bible that was ever inspired by any being or force of the super-natural. The only things that ever inspired the creation of that book was human imagination and creativity, and you can’t prove any different. The only reason that you extremists are trying to get this TV show canceled is to try justify your own religion’s existance and to try to exert it’s non-existent authority.
If you want your argument to hold validity, the best course of action is to deliver it in the best grammatical form possible.
I pray against this show and Fox for raising the name of lucifer. I pray that God would bind it and destroy it. May anyone financially associated with it lose their wealth. In Jesus’ name, amen.
As long as there are plenty of so- Christians to support Foxe’s Lucifer, sadly, this show will be a success. Look down amongst the comments and see this truth. Pagans rule the world, but we were told they would. Get out of Babylon, you people…
No matter how the devil and those sympathetic to him, try to portray satan as charming and misunderstood, the devil is the ultimate liar, murderer and trickster. He has no good intentions. His greatest desire is to separate as many people as possible, from God. After all, he’s headed for a hot, dark pit for eternity and he wants lots of company. John 10:10 states “The thief cometh not, but for to steal , and to kill , and to destroy : I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” The devils reign of terror is drawing to a close and thus the acceleration of these demonic shows. Stand strong, trust in God and share the good news. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I’m a big fan of DC Comics. They house Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash and more. And since this rendition of Lucifer is housed by Vertigo, an adult division of DC, my eyes will be glued to the TV on January 25 when the pilot airs. I may be a couch potato Catholic, but I love me some Marvel and DC comics material!
Spoken like a true Catholic!
Did I just read this whole tab right???? If I did then oh my God we are just long lost. Tremendice amount of ignorance all up in this comment AND the making of the show. You gonna purposely dress up the baddest wolf, in the brightest sheep clothing?!?!?! satan is sitting back and having a blast looking at this! Jesus help us all.
But this type of stuff is suppose to happen…forgot lol.
As was foretold… lovers of evil…
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Doesn’t anyone find the fact that God let Satan kill all of Job’s children and servants, in order to win a bet? God is a monster! Satan has nothing on the sick depravity that God illustrates in the tale of Job.
All of Job’s children were sinners just like you! Since Satan just lied to you by creating a tv show about what a good “God” he is, shows how ignorant you people are! The global elites bet on your life everyday by setting gas prices, how much you taxes you pay etc. should I go on? Your ignorance to subjects you know nothing about astounds me. Jesus is Lord and is the one true God. He gave his life for you and you take it for granted! Whip him again Roderick!
Get over it. There are people dying every day and you are angry because of a show where the devil is helping people. Why don’t all of you actually live up to your faith and go volunteer or do something helpful for those less fortunate? Instead of stew and rant about a fiction TV show about the devil becoming empathetic to humanity (which to be honest, I don’t see why that’s bad if he becomes good? wouldn’t that be good if the devil is helping people? )
Your logic and reasoning are unsound, so attempting to reason with your troll-like attiude will no doubt amount to nothing significant. In spite of that fact, here it goes: The “fictitious” Fox television show is being used to paint Lucifer in a pleasant light. Since you seem to be unaware of scripture, it was prophesied in the Bible that Lucifer would do just what this show is attempting to do; make himself out to be an angel of light. By the way you introduced your troll-like comment (“get over it”), I can only assume that you believe neither in God nor the prophecies contained in the Bible; “a book of fairy tales”. No, wait, The nerds/scientist/atheist believe that the Bible is a book of fairy tales. My apologies for ascribing that crime to you as well.
God never frightened me. But his followers – most especially his Christian ones have terrified me. You see, Jew here, and your “love” for us over the millennia is really, really scary. We’d actually prefer you forgot we exist.
Problem is, you need out bible to validate yours, and you have no clue how to read the actual Jewish bible. You haven’t the proper comprehension of Job. God is an active participant in the torture of Job. It is Satan, God’s prosecuting attorney that follows God’s will.
When we do evil, don’t blame Satan. Blame the true responsible party – yourself. And don’t rely so much on Jesus to make things right. Only you have the power to do that too. The devil wasn’t running Auschwitz. But there were a lot of people who did, and a lot of them went to the church on the grounds of the camp.
I think this show is funny and a great demonstration of human behavior. If I want to be scared I can just watch the news andcsee what the Evangelicals have in store for the rest of us after the election.
One other thing: I sin but I’m not a sinner. My bible says we were created in God’s. We don’t need a saviour, we need God. We don’t need a middle man. You know who needs a saviour though? Raphael Cruz the Canadian who lied to win Iowa and who dropped nasty code words about ” New York Values ” which even Saturday Night Live new was code for liberal Jews. You will never trick us into believing you like us. Maybe “Ted” has some devil issues of his own.
It kills me when Pagans and Atheist show up to sites like these to troll on Christians. Being that the aforementioned neither believe in nor worship God, the Holy Spirits of Love and Peace cannot move them. Since we are in the Last Days, we know that the preaching work is coming to an end. This is painfully obvious by how difficult it is to even mention anything about God without receiving some attack from the Atheist, the Pagan, as well as the ‘So-Called Christian’; they just don’t want to hear the truth.
Solider of YHWH
If you don’t like it, then stop trolling on our TV sets and stop trying to control what we watch. Your own god would even condemn what you’re doing. And who are you to try to dictate to anyone what is truth and what is not? Who are you to even think that you could possibly have the comprehension required to understand the true nature of good and evil not to mention the true nature of your own god or even his favorite son Lucifer. By the way, your bible makes no mention of Lucifer or even Satan for that matter. I would know because I have a copy and have read it from cover to cover. If you don’t like the show, nobody’s putting a gun to your head to force you to watch it. You have absolutely no right to try to invade on the rights and freedoms of other people. Just the fact that this show has been given a second season should tell you that your own god actually approves of this show and that he’s turned his back on you. If your god really wanted this show to disappeared, he would have made it happen without the need of any whining from you or your fellow extremists. No religious based censorship will be tolerated.
When the ‘Summon The Demon Charlie’ fad began (please Google for details), the misguided scientific community tried to play the results off as an “act of gravity”. It was clear, in most of those cases, that something other than gravity was responsible for moving those pencils and pens. The same kind of nerdy-impish, scientific-minded, heathens who downplayed the ‘Summon Charlie The Demon’ fad are the same types who are commenting here. The FOX network presentation of Lucifer is just an innocent attempt to entertain the masses. Anyone who worships God knows that playing around with Satan is anything but innocent entertainment. In the same light, why would an entertainer use worshipping the devil as a publicity stunt (Kanye West, J-A, etc…). Anyway you rock the boat, playing with the Devil is never an innocent affair; especially for those who know the truth.
Solider of YHWH
LMFAO.
the ‘Summon The Demon Charlie’ fad never had anything to do with actual sorcery and was nothing more than an urban legend and a childrens game that’s played by bored teenagers., and there is no such mexican demon in existance. There is definitely no member of the demonic hierarchy that would have been named charlie. Having such a name in itself would be embarrassing not only for that particular demon, but for the entire demonic community. I can’t believe that any well educated person whether they were religious or not would get so freaked out over a — childrens game. trembling before such superstitious BS makes you an embarrassment to your entire religion.
to be honest I think everyones taking Lucifer way too literally. Just as I don’t think all chemistry teachers are secretly cooking crystl meth because I watched Breaking Bad, i don’t suddenly believe that because a FICTIONAL TV SHOW uses biblical STORIES for INSPIRATION that Lucifer, should he exist, is actually a really suave guy that likes handing out party favours.
christains need to calm — down
Ari,
This doesn’t even represent ALL Christians. It represents a smaller subset of fundamentalist Christians that pretty much exist mostly in the U.S. and Canada (what that say about the American psyche I don’t know, but I don’t like it).
But the thing that needs to be conveyed to the people who have gone mental over this is that we live in an officially secular democracy where free speech is enshrined in the Constitution. That means that people can say things that you hate or I hate or everyone else hates, but it isn’t worth a damn because it can’t be banned. And that applies to all forms of entertainment as well.
By all means, if you find it offensive don’t watch it. Don’t let your kids watch it. It’s the same argument I make regarding same sex marriage: if you think it’s wrong, by all means, don’t marry anyone of the same sex.
But do NOT push your beliefs on people who don’t share them. I find this show to be highly entertaining (and rather instructive on how we should think about how God inflicts punishment on those who deserve it). I said it earlier. I am a Jew. Jews don’t believe in Satan the way Christian theology does. We also don’t believe in eternal hell. We also don’t believe that we even believe in God the same way. So threatening us with a God we don’t accept who will punish us with a boogy man we don’t believe in and send us to a place we don’t believe in is just a waste of of breath or an encourage ment for carpal tunnel. Take care of your own house before you look in other peoples’ windows.
Yeah apologies, my message wasn’t meant to adress every Christian in existance, only those who are ignorant enough to believe that Harry Potter is devil worship and Lucifer is making fun of ‘things that need to be taken seriously’
Just because they believe in a concept that others do not DOES NOT give them theright to shove it down everyone’s throats and enforce their belief on the entire world they must accept and move on that not everyone will agree with them fgs
thank you for an intellegent responce.
My God you fundamentalist Xians are deranged…and kind of scary in a Trump sort of. No wonder we tossed you out of Judaism so quickly. Newsflash: there is no devil or hell in our religion. So either your founder made it up or the Greeks who wrote your bible did – to keep the sheep in line.
Me? I sleep fine at night knowing our God loves and not afraid of the boogey man.
Good article. As a side note, beware of atheists. Many Satanists use “atheism” as a cover to hide their true allegiance while still being able to reject God at the same time. Only difference is that rather than acknowledging their hatred for God who they know exists, they claim that he doesn’t exist at all.
LOL!
Hi all,
just a quick question… if we don’t have compassion for Lucifer (the Devil), are we really better than him?
Hi Just Me,
Thanks for your question. The point of the article is that this “Lucifer” is not the real Lucifer of the Bible. This show’s Lucifer is a lie and deception in order to illicit sympathy for the real Devil who wants to destroy all of humanity. So to the extent you can sympathize with someone who wants to literally deceive, harm and kill you and every person in you’re life your close to, then I would say that is the extent of compassion you should have. And that is just based on the limited information the Bible reveals. There is not much account of angelic activity in the Bible for the very reason that fallen humanity – by nature, have a fascination with angels. But based on what we know to be Biblical truth, the Devil is far more powerful and evil than we imagine and rather that try curry favor for him, we should be directing our compassion and love towards Jesus Christ and trusting His Word over what our eyes see or are deceitful hearts tell us.
So the question is, do you have compassion and faith for Jesus Christ?
“Whosoever shall call upon the name of The Lord shall be saved.” – Romans 10:13.
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Job was not a Christian, that is all…
I was raised in the church and the bible and have read it multiple times. Now as I got older I started to question. I read the first 5 books of Genesis…has anyone truly read it. Abraham to protect him self lies about his wife being his wife. To protect himself he was willing to put his wife in a position to be sexually violated. I believe Issac did the same thing. Lot was willing to let his daughters be gang raped to protect some travelers who turned out to be angels. God gives the promised land to the jews in the exodus and all the people who are living there are to be killed every last man woman and child…except virgins…anyone want to guess what the virgins were kept for. All the laws given in the old testament. Prostitutes, disrespectful children were to be killed, work on the sabbath death…if a woman is raped she must marry her rapist.
And for those who say Jesus Nullified the law…
Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Mt. 5:17-18).
Now to Lucifer…Lucifer means morning star..Jesus in revelation is called the morning star.
How can an omnipotent perfect god create an imperfect universe.
God is supposed to be out father and love us…what loving father stands buy while his children are raped killed tortured. I mean Pedophiles raping 4 year old children, young boys raped buy there priests, College girls drugged and gang raped, Muslims and Christians killing and torturing in the name of god for the last 1500 to 2000 years.
Despite all of this I do believe in a higher power I simply do not believe any one religion has all the answers. I do believe when you die you will be judged how you live your life not how you worship. All cultures have laws that say don’t lie cheat kill. The laws of the bible are not all that unique.
Greetings to all,
Perhaps my view on this is a bit simple and idealistic, but my takeaway from watching a half dozen or so episodes is that there is hope for all of us, even Satan. If Satan can somehow feel something for mortals, even love, which is only from God, isn’t that a positive message for all believers? If there is hope for Satan, doesn’t that mean there is is hope for everyone in the world, believers or non-believers, no matter how consumed they are by evil.
Hi Kevin,
They say wisdom can be found in the simplest of words and what you say there makes more sense to me than all the religious dogma that many of those on this site speak. When you believe you are innately a sinner how are you supposed to see the good in others when you cant even see it in yourself? Its no wonder they have such a downer on the world.
There is a great book I read called “Satan an autobiography” as told by Yehuda Berg that gives a very different take on the “Lord of Darkness” and one that is very enlightening.
I have not seen the show but it sounds like its giving out a great message that people such as yourself are understanding.
Basically redemption…people love to blame the devil for all of the worlds problems when the truth is we do not have to do evil things, we do not have to eat unhealthy foods, smoke, drink, do drugs, have unsafe sex, abuse and bully others. We chose how we live our lives. And sometimes there are people live great lives and still get the shaft. I do not blame the devil for my problems…I blame me…my stupidity.
Lets see 7000 years ago god created the entire universe in 6 days, 1000 years after that god floods the earth and puts 2 and 7 of every type of animal on the planet on a boat, a rich man built and ark following the instructions given in Genesis. Now for the problem in this…there were not less animals back then there were more. There is know way to fit every animal even 2 in that boat. And lets not even get on the nuts who say the dinosaurs were on the ark. The last part…the waters covered the earth 20 feet over the tallest mountain…even back then it would have been Mt. Everest. It near impossible to breath at that height…and with no plants which land animals and people need to breath they could not survive. I mean I believe in a creator but people love to blame the devil and god for all of the worlds problems when the truth is we do not have to do evil things, we do not have to eat unhealthy foods, smoke, drink, do drugs, have unsafe sex, abuse and bully others. We chose how we live our lives. And sometimes there are people live great lives and still get the shaft. I do not blame the devil for my problems…I blame me…my stupidity. I mean the people in the bible believed the earth was flat and that it was the center of the universe. Science and archeology have debunked much of the bible and Christianity always comes up with some excuse or explanation that cant be proved. King Solomon was arguably the richest and most powerful king of his time…why is it there no real hard evidence of his existence. Every major power in history has left stuff for us to see. Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Syrians, Mesopotamians. Why is that there is nearly know evidence of the stuff the bible claims. The Jews are the only culture that has left nothing for future generations to see. And you know what while Atheist can not prove there beliefs..neither can Christians
Lets see 7000 years ago god created the entire universe in 6 days, 1000 years after that god floods the earth and puts 2 and 7 of every type of animal on the planet on a boat, a rich man built and ark following the instructions given in Genesis. Now for the problem in this…there were not less animals back then there were more. There is know way to fit every animal even 2 in that boat. And lets not even get on the nuts who say the dinosaurs were on the ark. The last part…the waters covered the earth 20 feet over the tallest mountain…even back then it would have been Mt. Everest. It near impossible to breath at that height…and with no plants which land animals and people need to breath they could not survive. Science and archeology have debunked much of the bible and Christianity always comes up with some excuse or explanation that cant be proved. King Solomon was arguably the richest and most powerful king of his time…why is it there no real hard evidence of his existence. Every major power in history has left stuff for us to see. Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Syrians, Mesopotamians. Why is that there is nearly know evidence of the stuff the bible claims. The Jews are the only culture that has left nothing for future generations to see. And you know what while Atheist can not prove there beliefs..neither can Christians
Hello to Magical Enlightment,
Thank you for the thoughtful response and kind words. And for the book recommendation. I think I will buy a copy!
All the best to you!
Hi Ryan
You are welcome; I hope you enjoy the book as much as I did.
All the best to you too, and keep spreading your positivity and you will be like a beacon of light in the darkness, helping others find their way home to love.
Prophecy fulfilled that no other belief system in the world has, the fact that israel is back in the middle east (after they were warned they will be thrown out of the Promised Land two times fulfilled etc)
Coming of the Messiah, his death, resurrection fulfilled etc
The nation of Israel from the Old Testament to New till Now, every prophecy fulfilled and more to be fulfilled.
Im not going to go on and on, i wont spoonfeed anybody.
If you really want to seek the truth, then you will seek it with an open mind.
It is obvious you guys are smart enough but the question is will you be able to get out of the blindness you put yourself under?
To make it as if God was at fault and if there is a God, why is He powerless to do anything etc etc
forgetting that He Allowed Free will and therefore its consequences that he wont deny us those c consequences etc I mean being bad and expecting Good things to happen, now that is a fairytale really.
The fact that your already insensitive to the fact that there is something missing in this world and the fact that you cant comprehend that this imperfect life and imperfect world isnt where your supposed to be already says a lot.
God did not design an imperfect world.
Something came in to destroy it.
This is the fallen world.
No you arent god, you never will be, its just a drug this world gave you to trap you here, this world is going be replaced with a New heaven and new Earth.
Dont go with the old world.
Dont be lost.
genob,
Actually, none of your bible prophecies had ever panned out. You can’t prove that the birth of jesus (if he really existed) was ever actually the fulfillment of any religious prophecy. Nor can you prove that the emergence Israel is the result of a prophecy of any kind. In fact, the state of Israel didn’t even exist back in the days of antiquity. That location was actually referred to by a different nam. Your bible isn’t a crystal ball and unless you actually have the ability of advanced clairvoyance, then there’s no way that you could possibly know for sure what the future holds for this world or the totality of the human race.
You know I just watched episode 9 of the series. The devil befriends a priest but what got me buy the end of the episode is this series in strange way is about redemption. The priest tells him god has faith in all his children and Lucifer said my father gave up on me a long time ago. Just as the priest dies he tells Lucifer your wrong..your father has a plan. Why can’t the devil have redemption…if he repents god would forgive him I believe. Man loves blaming god or the devil for there problems when the truth is there is know god or devil that makes you do a damn thing. In the garden god said don’t eat the fruit and Adam and eve chose to ignore god rule. When know if we eat greasy food we will have high cholesterol and possible heart attacks, we know Alcohol causes liver and brain problems. Smoke causes cancer and strokes…and we do it anyways. We chose our fate not god not the devil…FREE WILL! Finally its a freaking TV show and know one takes it serious…only hard right wing Christians. whats funny is you the religious right has done more to turn people away from god than any devil. You stand on your soap box and preach and pass judgment like your the almighty and wonder why more and more people have left the church. I know a girl she went to church helped others and was gang raped in college. She does not go to church anymore and does not worship. She got pregnant and had and abortion and her church passed judgment on here..she did not want to have her rapists baby. She told me god is supposed to be my father and he is supposed to love me, what father stands buy and does nothing while one of his daughters is being raped.
I believe God Himself freed Himself to become Science Itself. *Drop the mic*
Has anyone really ever thought of God wanting to be free?
Okay I am gonna respond to a few people here. Yes if the show made jokes on blacks gays Muslims (well Muslims is a toss up most seem to think being racist to Muslims is not bad) whatever it would be off the air, now why is that? A few hundred years ago you got stoned or burned or even hanged for saying bad stuff about god, worshiping other gods, being gay would get you burned at the stake. From 1000 AD to about late 1700’s this was the norm in Europe then we move to the new country America…we considered it our god given right to rape, murder, and steal from the Native Americans. The molestation of children buy pastors and priests has been going on for decades or lets be real centuries its only been in the last 20 or so years that it is out in the open. Pope John Paul II new about the pedophile priest and like the popes before him he covered it up and he is being or has been canonized. Pope Benedict was a Nazi, Hitler was raised Catholic. Some pastors can not seem to understand why it is so hard to convert Wicans and Jew’s to Christianity. Read on what the church, Catholic and Protestant were doing to them a couple hundred years ago…again rape theft torture and murder. Yes Christianity is almost as hated as Muslims and it is because the two religions can claim responsibility for the many off the greatest atrocities in the last 1000 years.
CHris,
Amen, and very well said.
Okay first Lucifer…the morningstar was a Roman Deity if anyone is a fan of Roman and Green Mythology you know this. Jesus in Revelations is refereed to as the morningstar. Your fight to get the show canceled has failed its entering its second season. Your ranting and raving did the exact opposite of what you wanted. You waved that show around like a forbidden fruit or candy and as everyone knows when you tell anyone they can’t or shouldn’t do something they tend to do it. And what is really funny is your right wing extremist Christians do not get it, why people are turning away from Christianity…and religion all together.
Here maybe this can explain it a little better
1) Is it possible that people are researching the character and person of Jesus from a historical and scientific perspective and honestly come to the conclusion that there’s little or no evidence to support his existence? (Personal experience claims aren’t evidence. They’re merely claims.)
2) If Jesus did exist, and he knows everything (past/present/future), why did he create Lucifer (Ezekiel 28)…the very mechanism for a sinners doom? Why would he create and implement Hell, a torture chamber beyond imagination and certainly beyond any proportional response to a child’s rejection? (“Love me or I’ll burn you” – God) If Hell exists, how could Heaven (a place of perfect bliss) exist? If you’re in Heaven with the heartbreaking knowledge that someone you love is in Hell, how could you, as a saved person, experience perfect bliss?
3) Why has much of even religious scholarship come to the conclusion that Jesus is actually based on previous savior deities from other religions/myths, that the Gospels weren’t actually written by Matthew, Mark, Luke or John, and that huge portions of the Bible are contradictory and unsupportable against the writings of contemporary historians and scientific evidence?
4) Is non-believers are truly misguided for seeking substantiation about the claims of Christianity. Its Bible posits as fact stories of a dirt-man, a rib-woman, talking animals, flying chariots of fire, giants, curses, spells, levitation, sea monsters, and people who live to be 900 years old
5) Is your relationship with Jesus more important to you than your relationship with your children? Christ himself (allegedly) said in Matthew 25 that a parent should be prepared to hate his/her own child in favor of Jesus. Do you think this is reasonable? Would/could you reject your son or daughter for God? And what worthy deity would demand that parents and children hate each other in His name?
6) Why attempt to publicly shame and emotionally blackmail someone into lining up with your personal belief? Do you expect that this public shaming will endear them to you, will cause them to see your religion as reasonable? Or is this a desperate act of grandstanding, based fully on emotion instead of reason?
Chris,
I couldn’t have said this any better myself. lol Way to go.
Hi, Beginning and End!
Long time, no see. I see you are still doing the Lord’s work and doing it quite well. I am glad to read your article on this “Lucifer” show. This show is just one of many made up to get people ready to willingly accept the Anti Christ, the man of sin and perdition, when he makes his appearance. It’s disheartening, judging from the comments of certain commenters here, to see how people are so deceived of the Devil that one commenter even said child rape/pedophilia is not something he considers a sin. In fact, he said he considers nothing a sin. That’s sad. But anyway, God the Father bless you and your tireless work. Keep on teaching the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Take care.
Best regards and God’s peace be upon you –
A friend in Christ
You Need Schooling
It sounds to me like you need to learn how to read. I have read every comment on this website and not a single one of them ever mentioned anything about child rape/pedophilia not being a sin. The Lucifer in the TV show would never condone such a heinous crime, but according to your own bible, your Christian god actually would. And it’s perfectly obvious that Beginning and End isn’t doing your Lord’s work because this article isn’t having any influence over the executives of the fox network or society in general. In other words, your god isn’t backing it with any of his divine power or influence. And if people were as spiritually weak and vulnerable to this so-called anti-christ (which, by the way, doesn’t exist, has never existed and never will exist) as you claim, then they would be just as weak vulnerable to the influence of your own god, and he wouldn’t be having this problem with keeping followers what-so-ever had any children. Just for the record, the antichrist would be the son of Satan and not Lucifer. Lucifer wouldn’t have had any children. Lucifer and Satan are not now and nor were they ever considered to be the same supernatural being to the early christians. In fact, the early, christians never believed in Satan and neither did the early the Jews. The Jews of today still don’t. Your own Jesus christ would have been one of those early jews who never believed in the existance of Satan. Technically, in my own very well educated and down to earth opinion, any person who stood against Christ back in the day would be considered anti-christ and there were billions of them. So take a chill pill dude! This world isn’t going to come to a tragic end just because of a single TV show or even a string of TV shows.
@Dorothy Lowther –
I don’t believe I was talking to you. If I had something to say to you, I would’ve said it to you. Too bad your comment is too long for me to be even remotely interested in reading it. Perhaps next time, you can learn to say what you have to say a little more concisely and with less words and paragraphs. Thank you. God bless.
then obviously there’s not a single part of my comment (apart from a few sentence structure and grammatical errors) that you can refute or argue with. In short, I successfully proved my point, and you weren’t at all able to prove yours
No, ma’am. I simply am not interested in having a dialogue with you about anything. That’s all. I’m not obligated to prove anything to you. Who are you that you feel I owe you an explanation on anything? I came here only to express my love and appreciation for Beginning and End; I don’t know why you think I would be interested in anything you’ve said or have to say. Nice try, though. God bless you.
You are right I don’t believe in sin, but I do believe for every action there is a reaction. Do I believe in eternal damnation? absolutely not. Would I wish it on anyone? No. You think pedophilia is perverse but eternal damnation is righteous. The genocide of all non Christians is your idea of heaven…yet my idea of hell.
The time is coming for the one you will dub the AC but in truth they will be the opposite of how you portray them. This person will have a good heart and seek to bring about peace and unity and end the monopolisation of God by religions of exclusivity.
First of all, I think anyone with a moral compass would see the perversion in pedophilia. Secondly: Pedophilia and adult sex acts perpetrated upon minor children are criminal offenses that are punishable under the law in the law enforcement penal code. Thirdly: in accordance with the righteousness of God the Father, child rape and pedophilia is an abomination, a sin, and the wages of sin is death to the unconfessed and unrepentant. So yes, I believe eternal damnation is an appropriate and just reward for anyone who participates or has participated in such despicable, depraved behavior and believes in their heart that they don’t have to confess and repent of their sins. The BIBLE teaches that the wages of ALL sin is death, but I know you couldn’t care less what the Bible teaches. Apparently you believe that whatever knowledge you have is higher and more righteous than the righteousness and wisdom of God the Father.
Lastly: I don’t portray the AntiChrist as anything. It is the righteous word of God the Father that tells us exactly who the AntiChrist is, and describes him as being the man of sin, the man of perdition who will bring with him lawlessness and depraved immorality when he comes. That does not describe a person who has “a good heart and will seek to bring about peace and unity,” as you say. If you’ve read the Word of God for yourself, I don’t see how you could come to the conclusion you have come to because the Bible is plain and clear. I don’t know where you got your ideas from, but you are sadly mistaken if you believe the AntiChrist will come bearing your best interests at heart.
Just because I don’t believe it is a sin in the way you mean it that does not mean I would stand by and allow someone to do it to another. I believe in treating others how we wish to be treated. I believe paedophilia is an illness that can be cured, I would never wish eternal hell for anyone no matter how lost they have become. The world of darkness we are living in causes us to do some evil things yet that does not mean we are intrinsically bad.
I don’t believe the Bible is the truth; it contains some truths but in my opinion should not be taken literally. Religions of exclusivity lead to conflict, they all have the erroneous belief they have a monopoly on God. God is bigger than religion yet you make religion bigger than God.
Tell me, do you believe it’s more important to treat people well or believe Christ is the only way to God?
Some people can see the same event and see opposite things and some people can read the same thing and take different meanings from it. Your word of God is your own interpretation of God based on a group of other people’s interpretation of God. God is a word yet words cannot describe God.
I don’t believe they will even be an AntiChrist you will just call them that because they happen to be against religions of exclusivity. Some of us happen to believe diversity is a key component to our unity and Christianity seeks to destroy it and create a mono belief system devoid of colour and joy. Christianity will never unify because different people interpret the Divine in an individual way.
People will always rebel when fear is used against them because light will always prevail over darkness. My fear is not God, but in not being with God, because God is love. Hell is a state of mind you live in when you wish hell for others. I feel empathy for you and wish you nothing but love, you may wish eternal damnation for me but I do not hold it against you.
You feel empathy for me? Why would you feel sorry for me? Everyday I awake with the peace of God the Father upon me and at work in my life. Everyday that I’m alive is a day for me to wake with joy and rise up singing the praises of God the Father, glorifying and lifting His holy, righteous name. Everyday that I’m alive is a day for me to confess and repent of my sins and to give God the Father glory for His forgiveness. Why would you feel sorry for me? I lack nothing because with God the Father I have everything I need on a daily basis. I thank Him for being my shield and buckler, my mighty tower of defense, my divine protection in a world full of danger and immorality. I thank Him for being the God and Father of my Lord and Savior Jeses Christ. Why would you feel sorry for me when God the Father is my daily help, my daily protection? He provides exceeding abundantly for me, everyday, and to Him be the glory. Don’t feel sorry for me, feel sorry for yourself instead. Thank you.
I feel sorry for you that you fear him and that you believe the eternal damnation of everyone but Christians and not for the life they live but because they do not believe Christ is the only way to God is justified. Your belief system is based around the eternal genocide of all those who do not believe the same way as you and that is why I feel sorry for you.
I believe every person is a divine soul behind the earth suit they are wearing, that all of life is one and made of the same energy. Dark things happen but if they didn’t there could be no light, often in life it is the hardships we face and overcome that provide us with the greatest spiritual growth.
I love all people, even those who do evil because it is light that overcomes dark and love that overcomes fear.
I believe the value of our beliefs is shown in the way we treat others.
The BIBLE says that fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. You need not feel sorry for me because of my belief in God the Father or my belief in His word. What you seem to not understand is that it is the will of God the Father that NO man perish because the gift of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ is given freely to ALL men. If any man perishes, it will be of his own choosing. You also seem to not understand that Christians do not sit around waiting for unbelievers to be destroyed. That is not what we do. What we look forward to is, upon the glorious return of Jesus Christ, an end to the wickedness and evil that has overtaken the world and mankind, and if any person be found with wickedness and evil in their hearts and minds at that day, they will be caught up and destroyed as well. I’m sorry if that is something you can’t fathom or even bear to hear, but it is the TRUTH. But because God the Father is a merciful, loving God, He, in His holiness and righteousness, extended His mercy and grace to man through the shed precious blood of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, that whosoever believes in Him, believes and accepts that He is the Son of God, shall have forgiveness of all confessed and repented sins and shall be cleansed, made new and given eternal life to share in the heritage of the Son of God. Jesus Christ said that no man will or can come unto the Father except through Him, so you can believe whatever you want to believe, but the Bible is the TRUTH of God the Father plain and clear, and the good news of the oospel of Jesus Christ is that no man HAS to perish, not when the way was already prepared. Neither the word of God nor the gospel of Jesus Christ has changed and they aren’t going to change because they are perfect and righteous. Instead of responding about how sorry you feel for me, why don’t you take a moment to begin a relationship with God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ? Why don’t you begin reading the Bible so that you can discover these truths and gifts for yourself? I hope that you will because I think you will be glad you did in the long run.
To be devils advocate (it’s just an expression) Lucifer, which means light bringer by the way, says to a group of Satan-ists NOT to worship him. And in the comics when he’s aloud by God to create his own universe and garden of Eden he tells his own version of Adam and Eve to worship NO-ONE including HIMSELF.
I would also like to say that this is not real, weather your Christian, atheist or dare I say Satan-ist, it’s based on a comic book and not the Bible/religion and can be as different as BBCs Young Dracula from B.S.s Dracula from Prince Vladimir Dracul/Dracula III Tepes of Wallachia
Speak my mind…Okay. Children and Adults have one thing in common…tell them something is bad for them or tell them not to and many times they will do it. Christians are responsible for the success of this show…there ranting and raving made the show forbidden fruit. Christians much like the morons running this sites helped make the show a success. Now as a Christian I watch the show and found it to be amusing fiction. Lucifer..the morning star…Jesus in the end of revelation is called the morning star. Lucifer as a angel aka the devil did not exist he was created buy the Catholic Church. In the old testament he was called Satan the Accuser and in the New Testament he was called Beelzebub, and Satan. Lucifer is also a Greek God and the planet Venus. Give it a rest…anyone with the least modicum of intelligence takes this show for what it is worth…Fiction..pretty good fiction
Good thing the petition failed because the show got renewed:) all mighty God indeed….lol
WHERE ARE THE CHRISTIAN PROTESTS AND UNIMAGINABLE OUTRAGE?! THIS IS SO BAD THAT YOU CAN’T IMAGINE HOW BAD IT IS! The devil is the enemy–without remedy! We should HATE the devil to the same extent that we LOVE the Lord! The devil wants you dead and in hell! The illuminati his leading organization on earth want a small percentage of people remaining when the end times come so that they can run their nwo. It’s worse than Spawn back in 90s and I was a kid then; still, I knew better(I’ve never opened a Spawn comic or watched a movie); even though I loved comics back then, I knew how vile it was(without anyone telling me) to say that someone from hell(who God had deemed lost forever) was back on the earth running to and fro as a superhero; to my understanding–such an entity–would be eviler than they were on earth! Such an entity would likely be a complete slave of the devil whether he wanted to be or not! The rich man(from hell) “asked” Abraham for Lazarus to send a fingertip of water and to allow Lazarus to tell his brothers not to go there, but Abraham didn’t seem like what he asked had any weight and/or possibly had any way to be fulfilled(gulf). Another picture emerges of inhabitants of hell; they seem to be tools of the devil without hope of salvation(nothing keeping them honest) nor do they want to go back to hell: loving and getting a “high” out of torment and torture, attention-seeking, lying about God and Jesus, carrying out sinful and abominable agendas to subtly and purposely lead people away from God and force God’s judgment upon them, using skin color; lack of beauty; differences; greed; power; etc. to deceive people to hate others, making the worshipping of drugs or addictions to be in place of God, tricking people to believe in false doctrines no matter how outlandish, and the list goes on and on! An agent of hell would be devillish and wouldn’t care about the well-being of people–as good cops(fictional superheroes are cop-like) would; he’d be obvious in that(promoter/enforcer of subtle or popular sinful policies) or like Jim Jones(a serious villian–maybe starting out lying about his real agenda and/or believing he’s a god at some point)! Basically, he’d lead people to their doom literally(death on a grand scale). He’d be as close to the antichrist as you could imagine! Spawn would not be a champion of mankind; he’d be a deceiver leading them to their doom! Making a hellish character a champion is blasphemous; I knew that long ago! What’s more; lucifer is not just a hellish character; he’s the king of them all! It doesn’t get more sinful and abominable, antichristian, hateful, rebellious, hypocritical, and vile than the devil himself! To do what “fox” has done(666 in lettered code, btw) is to make the utter monstrosity seeking worship as God that is lucifer a champion–someone that you can trust! WHERE IS THE CHURCH?! IN 50s or 60s, YOU WOULDN’T NEEDED THE CHURCH; IT WOULDN’T HAVE AIRED!
Marcus do you know why the show is a success…Christians..your protesting and whining and complaining got people interested…its like ordering a teenager not to drink…that just makes them want to do it more. As for the Illuminati…much like Atlantis and Excalibur and Avalon…there is know proof they are real and people who believe in them are conspiracy nut. Now as for the name Lucifer..it means bright morning star..Venus the planet and the roman goddess is the morning star. In Revelation 22:16 Jesus is called the morning star or Lucifer. In the old testament the morning star refers to a earthly kind. My point is it’s how you read the bible. I am a Christian and I take the show for what its worth…tv fiction…I watched a few episodes thought of it more of a comedy. Honestly you come off as a hardcore right wing judgmental Christian. 2 billion Christians on a planet of 7 billion and you believe that your religious and moral beliefs should trump the beliefs of the other 5 billion. I believe everyone should be able to worship whatever god they want, love whatever person they want, watch, listen, and read whatever they want without be forced to submit to the religious and moral beliefs of other’s. One of my best friends is Native American and he is not a Christian and he likes very few Christians mainly because it gets very old having to listen to Christians look at him and say his religion and beliefs mean nothing and there gonna burn in hell unless they covert. I think when we face god he is going to judge us on more than our religious Revelation 22:16…I think how we love our lives will be very important as well. But you keep on going on like the majority of right wingers and conspiracy theorist..have fun
Whats happened to this site? Are you on strike?
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Much love my brethren, may our creator bless your journeys with love and light.
This is logically incorrect:
” As I have said I would be open to the message of Christianity if its core belief did not revolve around it being the only way, but you cannot and will not accept that.”
If 1 + 1 = 2, 1 + 1 cannot be 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or any other number. Therefore there is only 1 answer to 1 question.
Many people tell me life is grey, not black and white. I disagree. A truth is like a blank piece of white paper. A lie or any other half truths represent that black dot that forever destroys that white piece of paper. Therefore, taking this analogy, there can only be 1 truth, just like 1 + 1 = 2 and not any other number. Christianity if it is correct, means other faiths must be wrong.
Likewise, if you are Muslim or a believer in any other number of non-new age crap, you must necessarily believe the same.
If you think about it logically, only a real creator who loves his creations will sacrifice himself to redeem them. No other religion comes close to doing this.
Amen brother!
To my mind, if “Lucifer” offends someone’s religious or spiritual sensibilities, then simply DON’T watch it! To quote the late US President Dwight Eisenhower in a sadly overlooked commencement address at Dartmouth College in February 1954, we should not “join the bookburners and book banners”. Arguing that Lucifer glamorizes the real life Prince of Darkness is as intellectually fatuous as claiming that “The Godfather” novel by the late Mario Puzo(and the three films it inspired) or “The Sopranos” glamorizes the Mafia!
Are you people on crack…the series got popular because Christians got in a tif over the show. Tell someone they should not do something and they will do it. Your constant complaining is helping nor hurting the series
Silly human.
We don’t “sacrifice” to live in sin. That would mean we believe in such things when we don’t.
We sacrificed magical thinking, make believe and superstition. We did it to live with integrity. Not the same thing at all.
Soooo….how did the boycott go?