Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name. – Psalm 74:18.
Following the path of many Illuminati female stars before her, rapper Iggy Azalea is the new sensation in pop music. At 23 years of age, she is a true product of the modern-day pop culture that has no morals and flaunts sinful rebellion. And just like her predecessors, Iggy’s message is one that continues to advance Satan’s agenda as she promotes rampant fornication, selling of one’s body and the false gospel that making money at all costs is the key to life. Even if that cost is your soul.
From Rags To Riches For Satan
Iggy has used her body and sexuality to sell records.
The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble. – Proverbs 4:19.
With her smash hit “Fancy” which has been the No. 1 single in the USA for 5 weeks straight, and her song “Problem” with pop singer Ariana Grande, Iggy Azalea has soared to success. Her top 2 songs have made history as she is the first singer since the Beatles to hold the top two spots in the Billboard 100 at the same time. She had a modeling contract and NBA basketball star boyfriend – all the trappings of a star whose “made it.” Born in Australia Iggy Azalea ran away from home at 16 to Miami, Florida in order to pursue a career as a rapper. A self-described wild child, she brags about young teenage years full of sinful rebellion:
“When I was 13 I got a fake ID. I’d go out, get hammered off my face in nightclubs I thought that made me an adult, meet older guys who thought I was older, and go f*** them. I’d do that all the time. Hitchhiking was something I would do all the time as a kid. When I was 14 I used to go to the red light district called Kings Cross and go to strip clubs. We would hang out there so late that the train would stop working, and then we would walk back into the city on the sides of the road, three or four dunk 14-year-old girls with fake IDs.” (source).
This sad description of her childhood makes it clear that any parental supervision or influence was minimal. And thus as if often the case, Satan and his minions are more than happy to step in and be the “father” to children who do not have a godly upbringing. Iggy soon ran away from home seeking the fame and fortune of her rap idols. After 5 years trying to break into the rap industry, Iggy was down to her final few dollars when she made her breakthrough song. And her image would be one of x-rated raunchiness. The Australian rapper was able to launch her career by becoming a YouTube sensation with her song P—- (a vulgar reference to the female anatomy). The song is one of the most explicit, pornographic songs of the past several years as she goes into detail about her private parts and sexuality for the entire rap.
An even more disturbing aspect of the song was in the video. Throughout the song a young boy (who appears to be about 8 years old) has his arms and legs draped on Iggy while she rhymes in crude fashion about graphic acts of fornication.
Iggy’s use of a child in her video was twisted perversion.
What spirit would lead a young woman to make a song or video like this? How are the deals of the Illuminati (which is Satan’s kingdom) done? They start in the heart. And for Iggy Azalea, it was a focus on money. “I thought, this is my last money, this s— better work,” Iggy said of her mind state at the time of the making the song and accompanying video. The Bible states:
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. – 1 Timothy 6:9-10.
Pop culture and hip hop music in particular, put an extreme focus on the love of money. Mansions, private jets and luxury cars and repeatedly flaunted all day on television sets and smart phones in rap videos. Provoking lust in the hearts of the fans as the rappers constantly boast of how much better their life is than yours. All because of their money. And yet that same love, is the root of all evil.
Just as Beyonce, Rihanna, Miley Cyrus and other pop culture divas before her, it took perversion and flaunting sexuality for Iggy to achieve worldly success. Taking the x-rated style and delivery of Nikki Minaj (whose satanic influence was detailed in extensively in our article “Nikki Minaj, Beyonce and The Cult of Demon Possession”), Iggy Azalea has used sexual lust to attract millions of fans. Her video for P—- went viral and she became an overnight sensation in music. All at the cost of promoting sinful rebellion and corrupting the youth of society by enticing them with her body and message. Here are some lyrics from her song “Hello”:
“F– you b—,
You ugly b—,
You stupid b—,
You dummy b—,
You dusty b—–,
Don’t touch me b—- whoa.
Whoa whoa whoa.
No no no no no
You’re not on my level,
You’re not even close.
These are ferragamo baby
What the f— are those?
Since you sniff p— and cry baby
Go and blow your nose.
B— I’m on.
And if I have to tell you one more time I’ll blow..” (source).
Now that she has achieved fame, many of Iggy Azalea’s lyrics are constant assaults on other women who have not reached her level of success. She repeatedly boats of her money and status while cursing other women. And this is what millions of children and adults are listening to in their smartphones every day. The Bible says: “Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Put away from thee a froward [rebellious] mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.” (Proverbs 4:23-24). Christians and all people are commanded to protect their hearts from evil thoughts. But the music of today is pumping satanic ideas into the heart and mind each day.
Iggy Azalea has taken many cues from her fellow X-rated female rapper, Nikki Minaj.
Here are some verses from her song “Backseat” [B&E – These were some of the milder lyrics that Iggy has written. Most of her content is far more vulgar]:
I know you want it
So why prolong it?
Perfect time right now
Gimme that look, I’m a hop up on it
Iggy in that zone
And we all alone
Wotchu “waiting on
Lot of woman back here, how bad you want it?
Back bone, back on, gonna back that to my back bone
Back strong, back back back my apple, not no iPhone
Backseat, that’s our horny ecstasy, popping gon’ already see
So there we be, we feel it, yea I’m telling he
Give it to him down in the parking lot
That’s true love, that’s true love
In the backseat, in the backseat of the car”
Here we go, up and down to the beat
Never caring if they peep ’cause the windows fog
Gotta get it when I get it, get it right, get it good
Get it good while it’s good, it’s the s— for all (source).
Not stopping with just her overt sexuality, Iggy also promotes stripping and prostitution. Her songs encourage girls to do whatever it takes with their bodies to “get that paper.” In her videos and live shows she is often performing strip teases or playing the role of a stripper – grinding on the floor, pole dancing, twerking and in a new trend, grabbing her crotch repeatedly while laying down or bending over on stage.
Iggy in her video for “Work” in which she plays the role of a stripper.
And just like her predecessors Nikki Minaj and Rihanna, Iggy’s music is being marketed to children. And there are no shortage of parents who are not only listening to the music but making their children listen to it so they can record them and upload the video to the internet. YouTube has videos of children as young as two and five years old performing Iggy Azalea songs for their parents. What spirit is leading parents to expose their toddlers to this filth?
The Bible says of sex outside of marriage:
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. – Galatians 5:19-21.
Fornication and sinful sexual lust are some of the strongest sinful temptations. And many pop stars today have used it to lure people into sinful desire all for fame and fortune.
This is precisely what Satan wants, to corrupt humanity and lead them from the teachings of God to outright rebellion. 1 Peter Chapter 5 says: ” Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour..” Since the Garden of Eden, Satan has used temptation of “greatness” to deceive humanity into ignoring The Lord and following him. Iggy’s hit song “Change Your Life” seems to embody the “deal with the devil” she agreed to:
I’mma change your life, I’mma change it
I’mma change your life (life)
Once you go great, you never go good
You never go back, even if you could
I’ll show you my way, I got that good-good
You never go back, even if you could
Have you ever wished your life would change?
Woke up and you lived your dreams
Baby I could help you make that change
I can show you how to do this thing. (source).
Though she presents herself as kid-friendly, Iggy’s songs are X-rated.
Iggy’s rap may seem like she is referring to her mentor and producer rapper T.I., but a brief examination of the lyrics reveals something different. She raps: “Once you go great, you never go good..You never go back, even if you could..” summing up that achieving fame and wealth in the music industry almost always comes at the cost of one’s values and embracing evil. And in her eyes, there’s no turning back from it. In the video for Change Your Life, she continued her over-the-top raunchy displays:
“Australian hip-hop star Iggy Azalea has stunned fans by stripping off in her most revealing music video to date. The rapper exposes her breasts in a see-through chain-link bikini as she lounges on a pool diving board in the promo for her latest single Change Your Life. She then dives into the pool and emerges with just a pair of red nipple covers to preserve her modesty. The 23 year old is also seen writhing seductively on a bed in her black lingerie, grinding up against rapper T.I. and performing in a barely-there Las Vegas showgirl outfit.” (source).
This offer of a “changed life” and fame was made to Jesus Christ during his first Coming to the Earth:
And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. – Luke 4:1-8.
The Devil has temporary authority on Earth. And notice in his offer to Jesus he first focused on what Jesus desired the most in His flesh: food. Jesus resisted the temptation to obey Satan’s commands and satisfy His hunger by quoting the Word of God. While food is important it cannot save you eternally. But God’s Word can. Satan then made the grand offer. He showed Jesus, in a supernatural vision, all of the kingdoms of the world and offered it to Him. This was no idle offer or lie. Satan had the authority to give power, wealth and fame to who he chooses. And his cost to Jesus was for the Savior to worship him. This is what Satan is offering many pop stars today. By serving Satan’s agenda of corrupting society, fame can be the payoff.
Jesus Christ resisted Satan’s offer by once again quoting the Bible. This is why so many fail in similar spiritual challenges today. Because modern-day culture is filled with millions of homes where the Bible is rarely read and children are not being taught it frequently or accurately. Many churches are focused on entertainment and feel good experience about audcasinos rather than preaching and teaching the truth of the Bible – that all people are sinners, condemned to hell unless they believe upon Jesus Christ and receive free forgiveness for their sins. And thus for a young female with no Biblical foundation and a childhood of drinking and fornication, making an x-rated video for fame and fortune is an easy choice.
Soon megastar Beyonce called Iggy one of her favorite rappers and he even brought her on her tour. Rihanna and Nikki Minaj have also done songs with the rising star, showing that the established Illuminati artists have welcome her into their circle.
Embracing The Occult
Fan-made artwork for Iggy Azelea’s song ‘Goddess‘.
Now the serpent was more [subtle] than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. – Genesis 3:1-5.
” Bow down to a Goddess
Goddess! Got it?” – Iggy Azalea, Goddess.
As is the case with many superstars before her, the road to pop stardom requires not just the blatant promotion of extreme sinful rebellion, but also embracing the occult and blaspheming Christianity. In her video for Change Your Life, she wears a top with the All-Seeing Eye symbol:
Iggy wearing the All Seeing Eye of Lucifer.
Christian news site Cutting Edge sums up the meaning of the All-Seeing Eye:
Therefore, the All-Seeing Eye is the symbol of the Omniscience of the Sun God, Lucifer, whom they worship. These All-Seeing Eyes represents the Omniscience of Horus, who is Lucifer in the Egyptian Satanic Mysteries. Masonic author, Carl Claudy writes: “This is one of the oldest and most widespread symbols denoting God. We find it in Egypt, in India … The Open Eye of Egypt represented Osiris. In India, Siva is represented by an eye.” [Carl Claudy, “Introduction To Freemasonry: Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master mason Complete In One Volume”, The Temple Publishers, 1931, p. 148, quoted by Dr. Cathy Burns, “Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated”, p. 357] (source).
Here is Iggy again promoting All-Seeing Eye symbolism:
Here is Iggy wearing a dress from the KTZ, a high end fashion line that is full of designs that feature satanic and occult symbols (like the pentagram/Baphomet star in the center of the dress). We covered this clothing line and its popularity with celebrities in our article: “KTZ: Illuminati Clothing Line To The Stars.”
Blaspheming Christianity
Iggy’s best friend and fellow hip hop artist who goes by the name “Peezus Christ.”
Azalea also uses her song Goddess to take a direct attack at the Christian faith and Jesus Christ:
Lord, lemme know if you got this
Preaching about prophets
It ain’t no one man can stop us
Bow down to a Goddess, bow down to a Goddess, bow down to a Goddess
It ain’t no one man can stop us
Bow down to a Goddess
Goddess! Got it?
………
Put your hands to the sky
But only if you feel the vibe
They wanna bury me alive but y’all know real gods never die (source).
Becoming a god and never dying were the promises that Satan made to Eve when he deceived her in the Garden of Eden. And the Devil has been using the same false offer for thousands of years on unwitting victims since then. In the name of pop stardom and wealth, Iggy Azalea has fully embraced this satanic seduction to the point that she would blaspheme the Christian faith.
Iggy wearing a sweater that features an upside down cross.
Jesus Christ, who is the real God, did indeed die on the cross – the most important moment in human history. It was the death of Christ that provided an atoning work so humanity could be forgiven of its sin. It was the only way to avoid sure damnation and the wrath of God all people rightly deserve for their sin. And this is what Iggy chose to mock. What spirit inspired lyrics such as these? The same spirit that will one day inspire the Antichrist – the satanically-empowered false messiah who rule over the governments of the Earth for the final 3 1/2 years before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The Bible is clear that the antichrist will be the ultimate blasphemer:
And there was given unto [the Antichrist] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. – Revelation 13:5-8.
Not only will the people of the world tolerate the blasphemous words of the Antichrist, they will worship him as a god. This is why it is so critical for Satan to plant the seeds of sinful rebellion in the hearts and minds of all people. In order for society to embrace the Antichrist, blasphemy of God or Jesus Christ has to become commonplace, acceptable and even celebrated. And pop culture has led the way in shifting society away from fearing God and Biblical values, right into all manner of sinful rebellion. Do not be deceived.
Worship The True God
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” – John 3:17.
Pray for Iggy Azalea and the legions of fans, young and old who are having their hearts and minds pulled further into satanic rebellion. Pray that they repent and seek God’s forgiveness. There is a way to living forever. And there is a way to true wealth. And it’s through faith in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Jesus Christ said: ” The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.” (John 10:9-10). Satan can give temporary pleasure and rewards but they only last a season. Ultimately Satan wants all people to be damned to hell alongside him. But Jesus Christ chose to die so that all people could have an abundant life. And that abundance lasts forever. If you are a Christian, continue to separate from vulgar, blasphemous music. If you are not a Christian, understand that you are being seduced and may not even be aware of it. And the stakes are your eternal soul. Instead of following a false goddess, look to the true God and believe in Jesus Christ, who does not just change your life but chose to die so you can truly live forever.
Iggy’s eyes look soulless & empty -alot like those Black-eyed Kids you read about on blog sites.
Actually I was thinking the exact same thing about her eyes when I first saw the pics at the top. It doesn’t end.
AGREE! I have thought that the moment I saw her, but I never googled her to see if anyone else saw the blackness in her eyes. She may be a reptilian hybrid and an evil one, an illuminati entertainment figurehead, at that. It is true that the eyes are the window to the soul.
Hi B&E,
Here is a link I thought you and your readers might find interesting:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/27/kim-kardashian-art_n_5524013.html
Hi Joe,
Thanks for sharing that. I had not seen it yet.
@ B &E –
Numbers 31:17-18 says, “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” Why would a “good” God condone pedophilia and infanticide? 1 Samuel 15:3: “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” Why would a “good” God command the killing of innocent babies?
Hi Summergirl,
Thanks for your posts. As usual, you ask a very excellent question. I will try to address both passages you bring up.
1) Numbers 31:17-18 – I think Collin is correct in relating this punishment back to Numbers 25 where the Midianites and Moabites, through their women, were able to seduce the Israelites into sexual sin and worshiping of their false gods. I just want to go the actual text so it can be demonstrated how serious of an offense this was:
This was a shocking abomination. Imagine if a respected Christian pastor showed up at church and started performing satanic blood rituals and sacrifices in front of the congregation. That would still not be on the level of what the nation of Israel did on this day. They participated in ritual fornication and prostitution. They bowed before other gods and made sacrifices to demons if not Satan himself. They openly declared themselves joined to a false god.
To get further context, in Numbers 21, God had just given Israel victory by going out before them to fight two Nephilim kings (Og and Sihon) and their armies. Israel had just witnessed God’s supernatural deliverance. And now Satan was striking by using sexual temptation to lure them from faith in God and they fell right into it. This was a horrific offense and God unleashed His just wrath. Look at the instructions to Moses – not only should the men who led this rebellion be killed, their bodies were to be hung on trees as a warning to the rest of the nation. Despite this, the people still had not learned:
Even though Moses gave a command to kill anyone worshiping this demonic entity Baalpeor, one of the Israelite men was still so defiant and brazen he walked into the camp with his Midianite woman in tow. He was “glorying in his shame” and flaunting his sinful idolatry. This prompted Phineas to find the man and his mistress in their tent and kill them both. All of this is showing how serious the sin of idolatry is. And it paints a stark picture for us today: if you die in your sin, you will go to hell. Automatically. Without salvation in Christ, a person is a goner and damned. God’s judgment is swift and permanent. But God is also merciful. Phineas’ zeal for God’s glory led to the punishment of the nation to cease.
The entire nation could have been destroyed were it not for Phineas’ action. But 24,000 died that day by plague and Moses’ orders for justice. So God started His punishment with His own people. But he did not forget the Midianites either:
And the name of the Midianitish woman that was slain was Cozbi, the daughter of Zur; he was head over a people, and of a chief house in Midian.
The Midianites did all of this under Balaam’s instructions. This despite receiving a blessing from God earlier. They were willing accomplices in a satanic act. And God was going to punish them for it. And that is what leads to Numbers. And as Collin pointed out, it was the adult women who caused Israel to sin, not the young girls – hence The Lord sparing them. And the language does not imply any type of child-adult romance but to keep them as people of Israel who would learn God’s ways. The overall point is that everyone is held accountable for their sins. And if they are not forgiven and atoned for, the sinner will suffer God’s wrath.
2) 1 Samuel 15:3 – Again, this comes back to context. This punishment was again the result of a nation choosing to try and destroy the nation of Israel:
This passage is a part of the covenant God made with the Moses and the Israelites. It was literally a condition of the Mosaic covenant. What the Amalekites did was attack Israel right as they were preparing to enter the Promised Land.
Again, look at how seriously The Lord took this attack. First He supernaturally empowered Moses to control the tide of battle (also providing a picture of Christ who when He was lifted up won the victory for all of us of faith). And The Lord proclaimed the destruction of the Amalekites and commanded that it be recorded in Scripture.
So now we get to King Saul and he is finally commanded to carry out the destruction of the Amalekites. But notice, that it was 400 years after Moses recorded their prophesied punishment. Why so long? It matches the exact same time period God gave to the Amorites before carrying out their punishment:
Here God was prophesying the Israelites coming out of slavery into the Promised Land just as Abraham was becoming a believer. And so we see that God has certain limits with nations. And like the Amorites, the Amalekites reached their limit of sin with God and were wiped out for ity. They knew for centuries that God had prophesied their destruction and did not repent or show any remorse. They did not seek God’s mercy. In the book of Jonah, the prophet preached about 2 sentences and entitre city reptented immediately. But the Amalekites did no such thing.
Which of course leads to the question of children. Why order them to be killed? For one, it was a part of God’s system of justice. But also, it because of the lineage of the Amalekites. These are not the children of the Amalek who was a son of Esau. These are the Amalekites who are spoken of in Genesis 14:
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This is a very fascinating chapter of Scripture as it details a war against Nephilim giants. And the Amalekites were a Nephilim nation. And is the case throughout the Old Testament, whenever The Lord gives instructions to show no mercy on any person in a city, it is because of the presence of Nephilim giants. And all this was done of course to protect the human genetic line and preserve humanity so that the Messiah, Our Lord Jesus Christ, the seed of the woman, would be born.
I hope that helps. If you have any other questions, as always, feel free to ask. God bless you abundantly. -B&E
Ok. Thank you and Collin for the replies.
You’re very welcome. God bless.
This is completely retarded. You’re all — stupid for believing this —
Hi Guada,
What is exactly are we stupid for believing? If its what she stands for, you can read the lyrics of her songs to see that she is indeed a child of the devil. Or is it the belief in the Holy scriptures that tells us these things will happen. If its the second notion, you should definitely read the book of John and the book of Matthew in the New Testament. It will give you a good look at what Jesus Christ our Lord and savior told us about the end times among many other things. What is so “retarded” about believing that people have fallen completely into sin and immorality. Do you not see it? This woman’s viral song on youtube is all about her vagina, and parents are cheering on their kids to dance and sing to it. Do you not find that immoral and just plain wrong? Planned Parenthood has murdered 55 plus million babies in the past 45 years, and most of the country cheers it on and curses anybody who is against it. Do you cheer for murder? I would like more detailed thoughts from you on why you think were retarded. God bless.
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 3:1-7 (KJV)
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Isaiah 5:20-21 (KJV)
ha your wrong im an aussie.
its true
no its not
god takes all the babies to a better place
We are entering into dark times….
Hi B&E,
This is off topic, but I was wondering if you could do a write up on the HBO series, The Leftovers? The pilot episode aired last weekend, and apparently the show is supposed to be about the post-rapture world. I’d be interested in hearing your take on it!
She who hates her own self(for the sin inside is what does it) denotes the wickedness sealed in an Ephah (Zech 5- that governs the flying scroll -freemasonry) struggling to expose herself & when exposed is seen the sexual corruptions unto the Sodomic Agendas, gripping the world today & those that govern these are “the Principalities & Powers ,” wickedness” in heavenly like places” one of which denote that multi handed influence(Egypt- unto the golden calf)
Good article,but that religious talk is a great turn off for me.
I don’t believe in god, but I do believe in people’s capacity of doing evil.
Hi Nami,
You said,
I don’t believe in god, but I do believe in people’s capacity of doing evil.
Why is it that you don’t believe in God? Can you not see proof of God in creation? I know you also said you don’t like “religious talk”, however I would like to give you some scriptures to read that might help. As I just said, the Bible makes it clear that proof of Gods existence is in creation itself. Let’s read!
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Romans 1:18-22 (KJV)
Now the man who wrote the epistle of Romans is a disciple of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ named Paul. What Paul was saying, is that people know God exists by creation, because God has shown himself in creation, and people should be without excuse. However, a lot of people wont admit God exists for multiple reasons. The biggest reason I find with most unbelievers when talking to them, is that they are usually living in sin. Now, I don’t know your heart, and Im not judging you by any means. But do you think its safe to say that you choose not believe in God, because if you admit he exists then you become morally responsible to Him? And its much easier to continue living a sinful life and just say “I don’t believe in God” than repent and trust alone in Jesus? This is why people have such a capacity of doing evil. If you truly believe God doesn’t exist, then it doesn’t matter what you do in this life, theres no repercussions, no judgement. You know, I can say all day until im blue in the face that I don’t believe in electric chairs, but if I commit a serious crime and get sentenced to death by electrocution, guess what, im dying in an electric chair. Sister, judgement is real. God is a just God, and sinners cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. But our God did a glorious thing for all us sinners. He manifested Himself in the flesh, in Jesus of Nazareth(John 1:14). And took our punishment for sin. He died on the Cross for us(2 Peter 2:24). Whoever believes in Him will have everlasting life (John 3:16). Sister, God loves you and is waiting for you to turn to HIm. I pray that you will search the scriptures for truth. God Bless.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6 (KJV)
Israel made the golden calf to worship God through it( the truth of Paganism)so that they may indulge in the fleshy ways according to their likings & at the same time justify their belief in god even his approval, thereby cheating their own conscience which is but to deceive themselves. It is as saying- there is no god.
Hi Abey,
Men love to make their own gods and religions of worship. Usually to justify the way they live. The reason I believe idolatry was the first commandment above all (Exodus 20:3-5), and the reason I think its such a big deal to God, is because a lot of the pagan gods, and Egyptian gods that were worshipped by people were in fact fallen angels that had presented themselves to ancient cultures as gods. Now of course some people like to worship the creation more than the creator (Romans 1:25). Which again is serious to God, because your worshipping what was made and not the one who made it. Either way, your right in a sense that worshipping reptiles, and birds, and trees, and demons is just the same as saying theres no God.
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psalm 19:1 (KJV)
Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
Psalm 150:1 (KJV)
This is not about Lizard etc, it is about “channeling” to the Strange Fire called “Occult”.
Hi Abey,
I’m a little confused about what your talking about and to whom. Could you go into a little more detail. Who exactly is channeling “strange fire called occult”? Are you talking about pagans in general? Just want to be clear on exactly what we’re talking about. Thanks and God bless.
The Golden calf , into its making is the Occult.& its fire was that used by the two sons of Aaron to light the offering, resulting in their instant death, sparing Aaron himself.. This is but to understand that the two were instrumental in influencing Aaron to making the calf on behalf of the mixed multitude. The lesson -It is impossible to escape God, but to get caught before Him one way or other, neither death be an escape from His wrath.
I think most of Iggy’s image is only talk.
If you watch her talking instead of trying to rap, she looks very well mannered – almost shy.
It is written in the word of God that “the love of money is the root of ALL evil.”
Yes, the love of money will have a young girl saying things that even a veteran prostitute would feel ashamed to say. The love of money will even have a young girl portraying herself to be some street-weary prostitute.
How sad.
Iggy is nothing but the white version of nicki minaji selling the stereotypical image of the “wigger” to a white audience plain and simple same for justin bieber and miley cyrus. Its all about crossover money, justin first started out as a popstar and his following was tweens now when he hit 18 his image got more sexual and he changed from pop to r&b to gain a wider audience. At 18 a celeb leaves the tween scene and now must cater to adults. By changing genres the celeb now caters to a more racially diverse audience.
Hi Illuminati Choice,
I pray this is a joke and your being sarcastic. What you just said is exactly what satan wants.
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Matthew 4:8-11 (KJV)
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:3-10 (KJV)
You guys are some crazy racist wierdos
iggy is a jokette
whatdo illuminati believe
in the two species theory
Satan the smart serpents raped eve and sired Cain
sobek or Satan raped Isis and she had Horus she called it immaculate conception
Mary was raped by sobek/Satan and she had Jesus
we all have reptilian dna thanks to earth woman being raped by smart serpents
Horus had a big nose and a big nose means you have more Satan in your dna than others
ugly people do ugly things
beware the big noses
believe it or not but this is what masons believe
look at mason/templar sign for Christ
a serpent on a cross
Hi Peter,
You said,
Mary was raped by sobek/Satan and she had Jesus
we all have reptilian dna thanks to earth woman being raped by smart serpents.
Are you saying this is what the Illuminati believe? Or is this what you believe? Either way, it’s a very twisted and satanic way of thinking. This is what satan wants us to think. Nothing that you just mentioned is scriptural by any means. I would like for you to clarify please, so I know how to further comment on the situation. And I would also like for you to give some sources on where your information came from. Thanks and God bless.
Ugh…, I hate this woman! Ever since her ugly edomite came on the seen before and after she got famous like many culture bandits before and after her, these sick — been destroying Black culture in general have demonic messages in their noisy format! This all T.I. fault for bringing this freak along and he needs to sit his — down, old cooning — kept rapping in his music about no snitching and he suppose to be a father! Hell nah these cesspooling non-talent freaks need to go away & go to Hell!
Hi ARW,
Although I feel and share your frustration. Hate, is the wrong way to go about.
You said,
Ever since her ugly edomite came on the seen before and after she got famous like many culture bandits before and after her, these sick — been destroying Black culture in general have demonic messages in their noisy format!
Saying things like, “ugly”, or calling her a “sick —” is just as bad as the lyrics in her songs. If we are going to reach people like this and oppose their actions, it must be done with love, unending love! You said, these people are destroying “black culture”, however, I think almost all rap music is destroying the culture of our young people. Its very degrading towards women, the language is filthy, and its all about money and making oneself rich, powerful and famous. Now, not all rappers have a demonic or satanic agenda, but they all definitely need the gospel. And it must be done with love, not hate. Love is the fulfillment of the law (Romans 13:10, Galatias 5:14). If we, as Christians want to change the culture, it must be done with the gospel!
I promote everyone to believe in what they wish but to say all these things about someone who you don’t know or even had a conversation with is utterly dim witted. All company’s and corporations and even artists of every field use a shock technique to draw peoples attention, would u have written this blog or me this comment if Iggy azalea hadn’t used these crowd drawing techniques. Also her record label actually made her sing and produce the song pussy because she did not have any hits yet was unknown and had no control over her career at that point. And your sources are incorrect (I also noted your source section for information on Iggy was empty making them invalid and hear say) she did not run away from the home she said to her mom I want to go to the USA to rap and her mom said u better start saving, Iggy then cleaned peoples houses until she could afford to move to the USA where she began to build her career. I also would like to mention that I was never brought up with a strong Christian influence my parents said I could choose and study religions that I found were interesting or what I felt were correct. I have then there for practice’s many different types of religions e.g Islam,Hindu,Tamil,buddis e.t.c atheasim which is my current practice is what have found to be most true as where is gods oh so forgiving, healing hand now and what about the homosexuals you deny them a Christian marriage. My conclusion is worship who you worship but don’t make assumptions and pull people down because what ever religion you practice your god will most likely never tell you to do so and not every symbol is that of the devil.
From Haram (haram is the Islam word for sin or rather breach of rules)
Hi Haram,
Thank you for your comments. First off, all of the links on the article are working, so I am not sure which source link is showing up as “empty” for you. And with all due respect, I think you are missing the point of the article. The point is to highlight the blatantly sinful and evil behavior Iggy is carrying on with and promoting. Are you okay with her singing vile, x-rated lyrics while she has a child who looks to be maybe 7 years old with his legs wrapped around her? Is singing and making videos about stripping for men and fornicating for fame a good thing in your eyes? You do not need to be a devout believer in religion to recognize that these are evil things. And to market and sell this to society just to make money is also sinful.
I also notice that you open your article by calling me and the site “dim witted” but close by saying that we should not “pull people down.” Isn’t that somewhat of a contradiction?
I am just curious as to what your moral view is because it is not clear from what your post states. -B&E
Christianity & Morality are directly proportional to one another in its roots,. become one, in the spirit & truth of it is to understand its importance, even to the corrupted understanding of the Quaranic “harlem” of the 72 virgins is but the corruptions of the mind by not keeping sex where it ought to be, projected unto heaven in the pleasures. The Truth is, to be with God by His Angels is greater pleasure than any pleasure which the world can give, has not any sin or sex in it.
Hi Haram,
The fact that you were not brought up with a strong Christian influence explains why you think its OK for a girl to make money singing songs about her vagina to little kids. Her record label made her do it? So does that justify her doing it? And of course Christianity denys homosexuals a Christian marriage, because marriage is between a man and a woman. They become one flesh. However this statement only proves your ignorance about the other supposed religions that you study. Because Muslims also deny homosexuality, but their commanded to kill homosexuals. I find it interesting that you only claim us Christians to deny homosexuality.
You said,
My conclusion is worship who you worship but don’t make assumptions and pull people down because what ever religion you practice your god will most likely never tell you to do so.
Are you serious? I’m really starting to wonder exactly what religions you have studied if any at all. The Qur’an, which is the Islamic holy book, makes it very clear to kill any one who will not convert to Islam. Now Christianity and the Bible, tells us to love and pray for our enemies. But it does say that it is the only gospel that should be preached. If any man preaches any other gospel, let him be accursed (Galatians 1:8-9). Does this mean we kill unbelievers? Of course not, and that’s why Christianity is so much better than Islam. Everything we preach is out of love to save people from the eternal lake of fire. Now out of all the religions you apparently studied, Christianity was not one of them. I suggest you grab a Bible, and open it up to the New Testament and read the book of John before you make a presumptuous decision about Christianity. You might be surprised about what you find out. You also might be surprised to find out how different Jesus Christ is than what our politically correct society makes Him out to be. I’ll pray for you and your salvation, because atheism, Buddhism, Islam, and Paganism won’t save you from judgement and eternal damnation in hell. God bless!
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:9 (KJV)
The bible says satan will be lock away for a thousand years in the book of revelation. So my question is why only a thousand years? So after a thousand years then what will he be free to cause chaos again cause that part doesnt make since to me cause thats where the bible ends.
Hi Childofra,
OK, the Bible does not end there. There’s still two more chapters. You forgetting that afterwards, God creates a new heaven and new earth (Revelation 21). As far as satan being released after 1000 years, let’s look at that.
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:7-10 (KJV)
So as you can see, satan is released to once again deceive the nations. However you seem to be missing the part where he is eventually cast into the lake of fire for eternity. As to why he is released, that’s a good question. Satans release from the abyss is related to the well known Gog and Magog prophecy in Ezekiel 38-39. This incident proves that even after an extended reign of Christ, mankind will still steep in sin and still follow the devil. This shows us that we can’t be free from sin without God. It also shows us that 1000 years of imprisonment won’t alter the evil character of the devil. It seems to me if you would of kept reading you would of answered your own question. I’m also curious as to why you think the Bible ends there? What translation and/or Bible are you reading? I pray this helps.
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Revelation 1:3 (KJV)
I meant to say there is nothing after the book of revelation. So after the devil is released thrown into the lake and mankind has its new eden then what? There is no other book after the revelation. So does mankind just stay there ?
Also I have five bibles in my house and 1 qu’ran. All the bibles are klv just published at different time periods the oldest one I think has a copyright of 1970
Hi Childofra,
Well as I said before, God creates a new heaven and earth (Revelation 21). And with this, God wipes away all tears, there’s no more pain, crying, sorrow or death (Revelation 21:4). This is what we have been promised through Jesus. This is the eternal life we as Christians want. There is absolutely no more sin. What more do you want? Your post makes it seem as if that’s boring or not enough. I personally can’t wait for the day where I get to dwell with God for eternity. You almost make it seem as if there should be more. So to answer your question, yes we stay for eternity with Jesus Christ Himself in a perfect sinless new heaven and earth.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 22:5 (KJV)
Then what if mankind sins again this time you can’t blame it satan because he’s in the lake of fire for eternity. Reason I ask because well mankind isn’t perfect.
perfect
adj
1. having all essential elements
2. unblemished; faultless: a perfect gemstone.
3. correct or precise: perfect timing.
4. utter or absolute: a perfect stranger.
5. excellent in all respects: a perfect day.
Hi Childofra,
When mankind, is in the new heaven and earth, there is no sin. There is no, “but what if we sin again, or what if we go back to our old ways”. That can’t happen anymore. Sin along with death is defeated when satan is cast away in the lake of fire. By even asking, shows your distrust that Jesus Christ is perfect holy and just.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Revelation 22:3 (KJV)
The curse referenced here, refers back to the curse in Genesis chapter 3. This is now invalid. Where as Adam and Eve walked periodically with the Lord in the garden, in the new Jerusalem His presence will be constant. The reason Adam and Eve were banned from the garden, was because of sin. The new Jerusalem is the new garden of Eden. So in order for us to be there, there has to be absolutely no sin. And if you read Revelation 22:5, God says we “shall reign for ever and ever”. When God says forever and ever, it doesn’t mean until humans fall again. That means Forever and ever! There is no more sin and no more chance of sinning ever again! Again, the fact that you would even think this, shows your misunderstanding of scripture and that you really don’t trust the promises Christ gave us.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV)
Actually I looking at how this all started in the first place, because it doesn’t make sense. The world is full of opposites, man and woman, sugar and spice, heaven and hell good and evil. Everything is in pairs so my questions are:
1.God is the creator of the universe, there is no other all powerful being except him. So how did evil come about?
2. Lucifer an angel was creator by god so how did the sin of pride manifest itself within him? There is no evil anywhere before lucifer becomes the fallen angel so where did this sinful behavior come from?
3. Adam and eve were tempted by the serpant aka satan , why was he an evil being allowed into paradise?
4. The new heaven and the new earth will have absolutely no sin, but that was just like it was in the book of Genesis. There was no evil when god created earth also there is no mention of hell a place of eternal damnation. So whats’s to stop evil from coming out of the blue in another angel and starting this all over again?
Hi ChildodRa,
There will be no more sin because Jesus Christ does not sin. Now what does that statement mean? A true born again Christian literally becomes a part of Jesus at the point they receive their glorified Heavenly body. We become one with Him. Here was Jesus’ own prayer for all who believe in Him (please read this very carefully):
All Christians will truly and literally become one with Christ. In the same way that Jesus and the Father are One. Meaning in their essence they are identical, though different in person (i.e., the Son sits at the right hand of the Father – showing they are two different persons). It will be the same for all believers once sin has been removed and the eternal kingdom has begun. Christians will literally have oneness with Christ’s Spirit. We will have oneness with the “mind of Christ.” If a toddler had your mind, would they have trouble counting to 100? Would they have any difficult, though say, 3 years old, driving a car, explaining how water boils or knowing how to read? All these things would be impossible and seem foolish to expect from a 3 year old, but if they literally had your mind, then it would not at all. So it is with Christians. Jesus Christ stated as much:
The “babes” in question would be myself and all believers in Jesus Christ. I know that I am that 3 year old toddler, who can’t even clean myself properly, drive, explain scientific concepts or do complex reading. Just as I cannot live a sin-free life, but instead, have shame over the thousands of sins I have committed willingly, in my life. But God in His mercy has chosen those who will acknowledge their sin with humility and know that they need salvation, to reveal the most profound Truth to. And those who are “wise” in their own eyes, remain in darkness.
So yes, there will be no sin because Jesus Christ does not sin. The sinful desires that seem so natural today, will no longer exist. And the bodies Christians have will be without flaw, unblemished, correct and excellent in all respects. Why? Because we will have oneness with perfection.
This is what the New Age and occult have been seeking for thousands of years and failed at. But it can be achieved through Christianity. And again, I hope and pray that you will learn this. Life is not promised to anyone. Do no assume you have time to survey and debate these things for years to come. We could both be dead this very day. It is only God’s mercy that will bring us further.
“Following the path of many Illuminati female stars before her, rapper Iggy Azalea is the new sensation in pop music. At 23 years of age, she is a true product of the modern-day pop culture that has no morals and flaunts sinful rebellion.” Are the words that you will read at the top of this forum. The bible itself has no morals. The bible is a bad place to derive morality from. The bible is homophobic for example in (Leviticus 20:13) when it calls for the killing of homosexuals. The Bible is also sexist because in (1 Timothy 2:12) it says women should remain quiet and in (Genesis 3:16) it says women should remain subservient to their husbands. The bible also supports infanticide when it says in (Hosea 13:16) that pregnant women will have their stomachs ripped open with swords. The bible also advocates genocide such as in verse (Ezekiel 9:6) where god commands the killing of many people of men women and children and maids. Finally the Bible also advocates slavery because in (Exodus 21:2-6) it talks about how slaves should be treated and in the verse (Exodus 21:7-11) it tells how slaves should be beaten. What we consider ethical and moral has constantly changed throughout history and has been determined by what the society thinks is right and wrong and not by an all-powerful god. The reason the bible mentions these horrible things are because men wrote the bible and included their own moral standard from their society. While there is not an absolute or objective morality there is a relative or subjective morality that we follow. In our society we have laws that punish those who break the code we have derived for ourselves. This morality is constantly changing as time goes on. For example the Aztecs in Central Mexico had human sacrifices and were cannibals until about 1517 A.D. In the United States however we do not share their moral code though.
A question, Has a god been revealed to anyone in visible form or with an audible voice? What are his properties and characteristics that define him/her? Does he/she wear a white robe or does he have a beard? Is this god a male or female? People have imagined 100’s of gods into existence over the last few millenniums. There is no credible direct evidence currently or within the archeological or historical record to support the claims, stories, miracles, prayer or evidence offered by believers.A god who is not visible or physical cannot be heard or take material form and has no evidence for itself is by definition indistinguishable from nothingness. If these are the characteristics you use to describe your god or similar characteristics then you have simply described nothingness. Also there is no indirect evidence either. If your are a believer, Marriages don’t last longer. Violence is just as high in Christian nations. Accidents happen at the same rate. Just as likely to get a sickness, illness or disease. What we can say is that if a god does exist he has not been discovered yet. If there is no evidence for a god we can say that what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without argument meaning atheists do not have to argue against something that has no evidence for its existence. “When you understand you dismiss ALL other POSSIBLE gods, then you will inderstand why i dismiss yours and every other one.”
As I recall, the Illuminati was a thing back in the 1700s and consisted of highly educated people who were in fact christian but believed that god sent us here to take care of ourselves instead of following him like children.
I believe they were for things such as gay rights, women’s rights, science, etc. and force-shutdown by the Catholic church (For obvious reasons).
How has the term Illuminati devolved into being associated with Satan and mind control and everything? I legitimately cannot see any connection between 1700s Illuminati and modern-day conspiracy Illuminati aside from the fact that they want a change in the world (1700s Illuminati did not even want to have a malicious change either).
Hi Emily,
The term “Illuminati” has many different meanings to many people. The Order of Perfectibilists, which is what I believe you are referring to, was indeed a fraternal order of the 1700s. But that is not what this site is referring to when using the term “illuminati.” The term for this site’s purposes is simple – Satan, his fallen angels, demonic minions and the network of humans who purposefully and unknowingly advance their cause. I hope that clears it up.
“Is, what is morally good commanded by god because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by god?” If the first part is true then even a god is subject to a moral standard and he should be judged. If the second part is true then it simply comes down to “might makes right” because god is simply more powerful than you, he can justify any of his hideous actions as being moral.
I see that childofra, can ask the exact same questions i have asked in the past on here and get some kind of straight foward answer without beating around the bush (even though you used more verses from the bible as proof, then have ever been used as answers for my questions) I guess the name that i chose to be known as on here, was the wrong one. You seem to just evade and riticule me for my belief. Instead of just answering my questions. I hold no grudge against anyone (on here or in my everyday life). As i stated before, i enjoy this website. It helps me get through my work day. I have one single question that i would like answered WITHOUT quotes from the bible. How is it that this one book, a book written by man, from centuries ago, a book translated hundreds of time, into/from many different languages, with many different versions, with many different verses/scriptures added and removed, a book that has NO evidence or proof what so ever to back up the outlandish cliams that it makes, enough to make you believe in this god?
Hi Atheist,
ChildofRa has made a number of points I vehemently disagree with. However she has been able to carry herself in these forums with respect and courtesy. Hence more of her questions being addressed. There have been MANY self-proclaimed atheists who have posted comments on this website and who I have engaged in discussion. What you are now doing is trolling – as you are raising the exact same questions in numerous articles. This is completely unnecessary and I strongly encourage you to refrain from looking to stir things up and rather present substantive arguments which will actually lead to real discussion and not your pattern of taunting and goading others into arguments.
On the substantive side, you are contradicting yourself completely. You repeatedly demand evidence, yet you provide none. You claimed Christians killed “millions” during the Dark Ages. Where is your evidence of this? Where is your evidence of the origin of matter? What species did humans evolve from? Do you have any proof for what you believe? You should at least provide some slight semblance of substance before repeatedly attacking others for being no different than yourself.
Posting these in these forums is a privilege, not a right. I hope you give this some consideration.
And to answer your question – there are numerous prophecies in the Bible that are easily verifiable as being fulfilled from looking at secular history. So that alone, proves its supernatural qualities.
Hollywood worshippers usually termed as Atheists claiming of their non belief in god but then believes in “Sodomy & Abortion” the two integrals that sits against life, the very manifestation of that ‘ole temple prostitutions & human sacrifices respectively unto their gods, reveal their own Pagans nature as secret Pagans & as mentioned earlier, is but to different sides of the same coin, which makes their belief itself a Lie., off the devil who pretends that he does not exist. To his Agendas.
I was trying to stay silent but this comment just had me in disbelief. Are you serious? Sodomy and abortion, not all atheist are pro-choice nor sodomist that is a very ignorant statement to make about a group of people. If I were to say all christians are hypocrites then you would say I was wrong.
Just because a person doesn’t believe in your god doesn’t mean then are committing sodomy or for abortion. Being an atheist means you don’t believe in a supernatural supreme being -plain and simple. They go by facts and logic so if science is satan then boy christians are being fooled too.
Pagan:
Latin: ‘peasant’, noun use of pāgānus ‘rural, civilian’, derivative of pāgus ‘village, rural district’ (akin to pangere ‘to fix, make fast’);
So ChildofRa – Are you saying that you are pro-life?
No I’m pro is none of my business. I don’t see why abortion is a big deal to everyone. Personally I think its a matter between two spouses and not the entire world. Same thing goes for same-sex couples, im tired of hearing people talk about same sex cpuples and they are ruining marriages -no they are not heterosexual couples are fine doing that all on their own especially with shows like the bachelors in paradise and married at first site. Sex, abortion and all that jazz is between those two people not the entire world.
Right now the state I live there’s this new law or something where the company you work for can deny a female employee birth control based on religious belief, why? If a woman wants to use birth control that is between ger and her husband -not her boss and the government. What next its gonna be like chima where they regulate how many kids you can have
Hi ChildofRa,
Well whether a woman and her husband/partner have the right to kill an unborn baby is a very PUBLIC issue, on the contrary. There is nothing private about discussing the rights of a living being at all.
And as far as sexual relationships, are you in favor of all adult intimate relationships? For example, if a 50 year old grandfather wants to have an intimate relationship with his 18 year old granddaughter, and she is consenting, is this okay with you?
As for the law about employers – I think what you are referring to is an employer agreeing to use their health insurance for employees on birth control. Which begs the question – why does a woman have to purchase birth control through her job in the first place? Shouldn’t she just use her own money and buy it in her private time? You claim abortion is a privacy issue but somehow, your employer should be providing your birth control and thus be very much involved in your sexual life? The two positions seem quite contradictory. Do you see that?
The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday ruled that business owners can object on religious grounds to a provision of President Barack Obama’s healthcare law that requires closely held companies to provide health insurance that covers birth control.
The court held on a 5-4 vote on ideological lines that such companies can seek an exemption from the so-called birth control mandate of the healthcare law. The decision means employees of those companies will have to obtain certain forms of birth control from other sources.
The only reason I can see a female using her health benefits from her place of employment to purchase birth control is because she probably can’t afford it on her own. The problem with this for me its the company can deny based on religious ground and its allowing someone else to make a decision for another person. There are people who are obese putting their health in danger but I can’t make the decision and use my authority to stop eating fast food. So a company should decided on which medical issue the benefits they give to people who work for them to go too because now you’re being controling.
As for the 50 & 18 year old incest scenerio, I don’t agree with it because the age difference is too much and plus there are enough people in this world for you not to be having sex with a family member.
As for abortion being a public issue, in certain religions yes its seen as murder but this is the USA, not everyone is a christian we’re a melting pot if various beliefs or people who don’t believe. So my big issue with the abortion topic is christian trying to make it illegal based on their religious grounds but that decision affects not only your faith but others as well. I don’t see muslims protest congress and the white house and capital hill demanding that there should be a law where all women must wear the hijabb. Thats forcing another culture or belief on another group of people. That why to me it should be a private issue.
What people need to be worrying about is giving their children mmales and females proper sex education , how does the body work , how to take care it , why you should wait to have sex, talk about stds and other diseases and stuff like that so these children can have a healthy look on sex. Two people may be married but that doesn’t mean sex should automatically be given , I read in a forum where a young did everything she was suppose to ,saved herself for her husband but when the honeymoon night came she wasn’t ready to have sex.
Hi ChildofRa,
Thanks for your response. I would like to address them thoroughly so I am going to just quote portions and respond:
First off, the organization that received these exemptions are religious. So if you are working for a church, it should not be that much of a shock that they may want to decline providing abortion services or abortifacents. Secondly, you are making a very inaccurate stereotype that the only women who use their insurance to purchase birth control are those who can’t afford it. I don’t think you will find the evidence supports that. Finally, as I pointed out earlier, you are contradicting yourself. You said abortion is a private issue that should never be legislated, but now you support an employer getting involved in a woman’s sex life and want a law requiring them to be involved. This is a pretty clear contradiction.
Here again, you have made a number of contradictions. You support same sex relationships and “privacy” but want to tell two consenting adults that they cannot have a relationship just because you don’t happen to like that particular type of sexual intimacy? And you are imposing a limit on the age difference between two consenting adults who want a relationship. Don’t you see that you are just using your personal moral line for what is a right or wrong intimate relationship? This is no different than what the Bible does. God has declared certain intimate relationships Holy and certain ones sinful. Based on His morality. You are declaring certain relationships acceptable and unacceptable based on your morality. You just draw the lines differently. So to criticize Christianity for doing exactly what you are doing is just hypocrisy.
Abortion being illegal has nothing to do with religion. I am speaking from a basic standpoint of human rights. If a man robs and kills a woman who is 2 months pregnant, shouldn’t he be charged with “double homicide” as opposed to just homicide for the mother? He killed two people and thus should be punished for killing two people. Do you disagree with this?
And again, going back to the privacy issue, shouldn’t parents have the right to determine when and how they want to discuss this with their children, and not the government?
B&E “First off, the organization that received these exemptions are religious. So if you are working for a church, it should not be that much of a shock that they may want to decline providing abortion services or abortifacents. Secondly, you are making a very inaccurate stereotype that the only women who use their insurance to purchase birth control are those who can’t afford it. I don’t think you will find the evidence supports that. Finally, as I pointed out earlier, you are contradicting yourself. You said abortion is a private issue that should never be legislated, but now you support an employer getting involved in a woman’s sex life and want a law requiring them to be involved. This is a pretty clear contradiction.”
Well where I live its not just churcges but places like Hobby Lobby.i don’t want the company to be involved – no other medication has had a situation like this one. Birth control is a type of medication so why are company that provide benefits being so picky about what the employees do with the health benefits? Its all I want to know
B&E “Here again, you have made a number of contradictions. You support same sex relationships and “privacy” but want to tell two consenting adults that they cannot have a relationship just because you don’t happen to like that particular type of sexual intimacy? And you are imposing a limit on the age difference between two consenting adults who want a relationship. Don’t you see that you are just using your personal moral line for what is a right or wrong intimate relationship? This is no different than what the Bible does. God has declared certain intimate relationships Holy and certain ones sinful. Based on His morality. You are declaring certain relationships acceptable and unacceptable based on your morality. You just draw the lines differently. So to criticize Christianity for doing exactly what you are doing is just hypocrisy.”
The only way anyone christian or non christian can make any sort of judgement on a persons sex life is if they know about it. Thats where the same sex issue and age difference and other things came in. The biggest arguement I usually hear about same sex relationships where I live from christians is pretty much what these couples do in the privacy of their home. How do you even know if they are intimate and if so why make it your business? Im sure married heterosexual couples have sex or not but at the end of the day its not my business. If a 50 year old wants to sleep with an 18 year I don’t agree maybe if was like 30 but im going by the whole rule where the guy has to be like five or seven years older than the female but if this was the 18th and 19th then it wouldnt be a big deal because they use to marry off girls at younger ages. Again unless you are blabbing about your sex life , im not suppose to know keep that info to yourself.
B&E ” Abortion being illegal has nothing to do with religion. I am speaking from a basic standpoint of human rights. If a man robs and kills a woman who is 2 months pregnant, shouldn’t he be charged with “double homicide” as opposed to just homicide for the mother? He killed two people and thus should be punished for killing two people. Do you disagree with this?”
I find it interesting that a human in the womb is consider alive because of the heartbeat but a grown person or child who lets say is in a coma is consider dead because of the brain (braindead). So wouldnt taking a person off of life support also be considered murder? The baby and mother is usually seen as one entity until the child is born, so in a sense the fetus is not real seen as a person because at this point it can not survive on its own. So would a miscarriage be considered murder?
B&E “And again, going back to the privacy issue, shouldn’t parents have the right to determine when and how they want to discuss this with their children, and not the government?”
Of course parents have the right to teach their children about sex, just make sure its a healthy outlook on sex. I’ve went through four years of high school watching teen girls ask my teacher who was a nurse about sex or my closes female friends ask me to explain sex to them because they ask their parents but their parents just said no. If parents dont want the government doing their job then sit down with your kids and talk to them its not hard. When I first it puberty my mother sat down with me and explained what was happening to my body and explain both the female and male anatomy to me. When a young girl enters high school especially when she’s a virgin every single male will try to be the first one to get in your parents and I know this because it happened to me. Every boy on my first week was being extra nice and stuff because I wasnt like a majority of the other girls who tgough it was cute if a guy slapped you on your butt or was trying to feel you up in the middle of class. They try to touch me they got a very rude awakening but the sad thing is a majority of the these teens were “christians” – apparently the talk about abstinence was working so these parents needed another approach but a majority of these would be pregnant by the time prom and graduration came. Just sit and talk to you kids about sex before they become the next teen mom or the next manwhore knocking up girls. Plus the double standard needs to stop cause that’s also a part of the problem
Also if based on religious belief on abortion is murder. Okay now the woman has the baby she either keeps it or gives it up for adoption. You might say give the child up for adoption cause there are so many parents who cant have a child and will adopt. Problem there are many kids currently in the system waiting to be adopted. So abortion is a no but also is telling these women to give their child up because now they are a part of a system that when they become 18 -these young adults are on their own.
Since you say Sodom & Abortion the two killers are OK , come of the Temple prostitution & human sacrifices should also be Ok for you , unless you are a Hypocrite, if not a Killer yourself, either way is but to Beware , for time has it traps.
Also B&E
Birth control is used to prevent pregnancy but men should be wearing condoms if they are gonna engage in sexual activities. The blame always falls on the woman who gets pregnant but it takes two to tango. I mean she can’t knock herself up. Men who knock this women up need to take responsibility for the child he created
B&E I am not evading you. I just feel the need to deal with this first. Abey, i agree with childofra. I am not into sodomy, that is quite sickening and as for abortion, my wife and i have this talk often as, she says if she gets pregnant now, we cant afford another child, so she would go have an abortion and i told her, if she did that, then i would divorce her. That is murder. I love my son very much and to know that my wife would go out and have an abortion hurts me deeply.
Being complacent to sodomy is as good as being a Sodomite , for Complaceny is just a step to it & to stand against it is but to contend. As to the Abortion & its complacency , I must say you are an exception.
Now B&E. First off, im not a scientist. I am an atheist. I have said before, science hasnt answered ‘everything’ yet, however for me and im sure other atheists, science surely provides more proof and evidence for our existance then the bible. I dont know for a fact where matter came from first. I dont know for a fact where life began. However i am certain that it was not from the christian god. Or any other supernatural being. As for “the dark ages” you are a fool for bringing that up. There are countless history books on christians laying waste to entire citys for not believeing in your god. I am not trolling. I am simply moving from forum to forum looking for your proof. And yet again, you evade my question and even though you didnt quote from the bible you still said “there are numerous prophecies in the Bible that are easily verifiable as being fulfilled from looking at secular history. So that alone, proves its supernatural qualities.” Still looks like faith to me. And you said supernatural, so that means you believe in ghosts, zeus, thor, mermaids, vampires and werewolfs? I mean, they are all supernatural beings. How can only one supernatural being exist? I honestly dont understand it. Im on here doing what christians do, speaking and projecting my beliefs yet, its wrong? Why? Because im an atheist? How is it that you can do something that reflects your belief but, i cant? This forum just sets my beliefs deeping as a non believer. Especially in your god. I have to keep repeating my questions on different forums on here because i have yet to be answered or shown proof. Proof is not faith. Faith, is the blind leading the blind. Science has proven things wrong in the past and science has been proven wrong in the past, not by some super all knowing being But, By other humans. I have done nothing wrong on here. I, in fact have done nothing different from other religious people other then the fact that im atheist. Yet because you are christian, you think you can justify what you do and say im wrong. What you do is right, because you are christian and what i do is wrong be cause im atheist? Makes alot of sense. And abey, you should have your tongue cut out for slander. How can you say that childofra is a hypocrite or even a murderer. Im surprised you havent called her a witch yet and dont have an angry mob with torches and pitchforks gathered to hunt down and slay her. In the dark ages someone like you was in charge of the slayings, of countless murders. Just the same as someone like you was in charge of the salam witch trials. Just blind foolish hope in some fairy tale so you could murder people. You christians make me sick. How is it that your god is so powerful and mighty and be the only one of its kind? And anyone that follows it is untouchable. How can i trust anyone who can clear their conscience by asking for forgiveness from their imaginary friend for any immoral act? How is that right? You christians are so afraid to believe that there is no afterlife. So you bury yourselfs in delusions and you feel so sorry for yourselfs that you shove your fairy tale delusion on others because you cant stand the fact of knowing your religion is slowly coming to an end, because the longer time goes on, the more people begin to not believe in your nonsense and believe more in science, proof and that just eats you up inside. My reason offends you to the core because its everything that can prove your god is a fake, A shroud to sucker the unsuspecting general public into your nonsense. Your god, is a childish, hypocritical, genecidal maniac. And so are its followers. Anyone that would follow the christian god is foolish. You greatly offen me with your delusions and i greatly offend you with my reason. Science is religions natural enemy. Since you didnt answer my question on why that book is enough proof for you to believe in god, i take it that you cant answer. Not for yourself anyway. You’ll just pull some quotes from a book that men wrote and for some reason, thats enough for you.
Here,
The witch trials in the early modern period, alternately known as the Great Witch Craze,[1] were a period of witch hunts that took place across early modern Europe and the European colonies in North America between the fifteenth and eighteenth centuries.[2] The trials were sparked by the belief that malevolent Satanic witches were operating as an organized threat to Christendom. Those accused of witchcraft were portrayed as being worshippers of the Devil, who engaged in such acts as malevolent sorcery at meetings known as Witches’ Sabbaths. Many people were subsequently accused of being witches, and were put on trial for the crime, with varying punishments being applicable in different regions and at different times.
Belief in the reality of magic and the existence of malevolent witches was widespread in Early Modern popular culture, but it was among the educated elite that the idea of witches’ as Devil-worshippers developed. The Roman Catholic Church had persecuted various heretical groups during the preceding Late Medieval, and it was from that context that the Early Modern witch trials emerged. The peak of the witch hunt was during the period of the European wars of religion, between circa 1580 and 1630. The hunts declines in the early eighteenth century with the growth of the Enlightenment and rationalism among the educated elites. Laws were implemented to bring about the end of organised persecution of accused witches, although sporadic lynchings of accused witches continued beyond the Early Modern.
Over the entire duration of the phenomenon of some three centuries, an estimated total of 40,000 people were executed. Among the best known of these trials were the Scottish North Berwick witch trials, Swedish Torsåker witch trials and the American Salem witch trials. Among the largest and most notable were the Trier witch trials (1581–1593), the Fulda witch trials (1603–1606), the Würzburg witch trial (1626–1631) and the Bamberg witch trials (1626–1631). The sociological causes of the witch-hunts have long been debated in scholarship. Mainstream historiography sees the reason for the witch craze in a complex interplay of various factors that mark the early modern period, including the religious sectarianism in the wake of the Reformation, besides other religious, societal, economic and climatic factors.
Hi ChildofRa,
I have raised this question to you before and I will raise it again. If you are so concerned about the ills and deaths caused by religion, why are you not on Muslim websites? You and atheist are trying to make arguments based on events from 300-600 years ago. What about things happening this year??
Muslims beheading children:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/August/ISIS-Swallowing-Iraq-Theyre-Beheading-Children-/
Islamic militants gang raping hundreds of women and selling them into sex slavery:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/islamic-state-militants-gang-raping-selling-hundreds-women-report-article-1.1921553
Millions of teenage girls and woman, in nations such as Egypt, Somalia and Ethiopia forced to suffer genital mutilation by Muslim men and leaders.
http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2014/02/08/female-genital-mutilation-affects-140m-women/
One of these women I happen to know personally, was a victim of FGM at age 14 while being tied to a tree, in order to prepare her for an arranged marriage. She later escaped her nation of Somalia as a refugee.
And this is just the beginning of the atrocities being committed today, as we speak. If you are so concerned about the violence being caused by religions, are you on Muslim websites addressing these issues? It would just seem like the most logical thing to do. I do not know of any Christian churches do anything like this today. Yet you and Atheist seem to attribute so much to the Christian church and I hear nary a mention of Islam or your efforts to go to Islamic websites to help stem the rampant violence.
If I’m on a christian site , I will talk about issues and situations that pertain to your religion. When im on muslim forums then I will discuss issues and situations about islam to muslims. I dont like the treatment of females in those countries but this is a christian site so I talk stuff that pertains to christians
Hi ChildofRa,
What are the Muslim websites where you have been posting to Muslims to address these issues? Just curious as what I posted to you is certainly far more urgent, as it is happening right now.
http://www.gawaher.com
This is the only one so far, im trying to find a muslim site like yours or close to it but a majority of them are christian sites.
Hi ChildofRa,
Thanks but I am talking about your efforts to tell Muslims about the thousands of horrors and atrocities being committed by fellow Muslims in just the past year. If you are so concerned about religious violence and oppression, wouldn’t Muslim sites be the best place to start?
I say this because I have heard many people come on this site making the same arguments about witch trials, the inquisition, etc., as an effort to criticize Christianity for the violence it allegedly caused. But somehow I don’t see anything being said to Islamic websites where this type of criticism seems so much more relevant. So are you on this site speaking about the beheadings of children, crucifixions, honor killings, female genital mutilations and other violence? Or debunking the Koran? I am just curious as to why the effort seems to be so much more towards Christianity than towards the religion whose violence is taking place this very day.
Well yes muslims do a lot of violence in the name of their religion and other atrocities, but I think why people discuss and disagree with christianity is because compare to muslims they don’t try to hide their intentions I guess you could say. Christians and muslims both reside in america and outta the two religions people are bombarded more with christians and their faith than muslims.
I’m more likely to be told by a christian on how I should live my life according to gods word than a muslim. Both christianity and islam are part of the same tree but the view on christ is the only thing that is different.
both religions itself at its core,are not bad lot of it really is not compatible to todays society but when people use religion and I dont care which religion its is when the people have evil intent or using it to control a population then yeah there are gonna be some serious issues and for judaism, islam, and christianity the major issues people have is the treatment of women, sexual orientation, judging others and this sense of pride which to a point would actually be a sin .
Hi ChildofRa,
Thanks for your response. My purpose was just to show that there are inherent contradictions abounding in the allegations that are made against Christianity. You said: “..outta the two religions people are bombarded more with christians and their faith than muslims.” Have you been watching or reading the news? There are stories every day of brutal, sadistic violence being carried out by Muslims. There a beheadings being uploaded to the web (most recently one of a journalist which has dominated the news cycle the past week). The 200+ girls kidnapped in Nigeria by Boko Haram and sold into sex slavery still have not been recovered.
And then you say Christianity’s “problem” is telling people how to live? Does this really compare to any of the aforementioned atrocities? My question is rhetorical, but my point is to show that it is hard to feel that you are sincerely concerned about the evils of religion but are not starting with first and foremost a religion whose certain members are carrying out so much violence. And then to compare it to the Christian doctrine of Biblical lifestyle, seems to make the deaths and violence even less important.
So what is really at issue? It’s that Christianity goes to the heart of the problem: human sin. And that is a message that many, many people don’t want to hear. Why? Because it’s the truth – we are all sinners. And we all rightly deserve God’s wrath. That is a very fearful and threatening idea. Why? Because by nature, we are sinners. We have all willingly sinned thousands upon thousands of time. And thus a natural response is to try and turn the accusations against God and try to attack the Christian faith in order to assuage the human conscience. But this is a vain attempt. And it also takes your life for granted. We do not know how much time we have left on this earth. Rather than rage against God, why not get to know Him in a fair and open way? As I told Atheist, you will never understand the Christian faith or the true and living God – the God of the Bible – if you harbor pride in your heart towards Him. Read the Bible with an open heart and mind. Not with the glare of a prosecutor trying to convict God.
Christianity and Islam are not from the same tree. Christianity is the religion of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. The Old Testament was written in 1500 BC on. The New Testament was written between 48-96 AD. The Koran was written in ca 600 AD and lo and behold, just happens to contain many of the same figures and stories from the Bible. The bible was written by 40 authors, who were eyewitnesses over 1600 years. The Koran was written by one person recounting 5000 years of history. The “Jesus” of Islam is not the Son of God. Therefore he is “another Jesus.”
The true Jesus, Jesus Christ gave His life so that you could be forgiven for your sins. And now commands us to believe so that we can be saved. Just approach the Bible with some humility and you will have an entirely different experience. Do not take time and life for granted as if you know you will live to 90. I hope we can agree that life itself is incredibly fragile and can end at any moment. And my only hope is that you receive eternal life and we can have lots of debates in Heaven.
B&E,
You asked me if I was any muslim sites and I gave you one yet you are satisified with it and now you bring up the current situations happening in these other countries. I am honestly trying very hard not to get angery but it seems no matter what I do or what answer I give it always comes back to every human is a sinner.
America may not be the middle east or afrixa but sex slavery does happen on our shores , so does gang rape, domestic abuse and other atrocities-having you been watching the news about Ferguson? Also I’m pretty sure those who commit these crimes are not muslim. I’m a woman and there are many things that I must stay get measures to ensure my safety on a day to day basis because if I got rape they first thing people will say is ‘oh she dressed tgat way she must have asked for it” -shaming is what I have to deal with among many other women in this country . What does your bible say about rape? What does it say about about females who commited pre-martial sex?
The koran and bible ain’t that different sweetheart when it comes to patriarchy. Also how many jesus’ s was there in biblical times? As far as I know there is only one so who is this other jesus the koran is talking about? Judaism, islam & christianity are known as the 3 Abrahamic religions for a reason.
Hi Atheist,
You said:
“You christians make me sick”
Again, I am recommending you refrain from trying to “Ask questions” and inject harassing, malicious comments throughout. I have already quoted you from other articles making unsolicited attacks on others. There have been many atheists and Bible skeptics who have commented on this site in total disagreement but have done so with respect for others. I truly hope you can do the same.
As for actual substantive discussion, you have again provided no evidence of what you believe. By your own admission, you do not even know what you believe about the origin of matter, but just have “faith” science will “figure it all out” for you. So you are a faith-based believer at the end of the day.
And as I stated before, your obvious hatred of God (and I mean the God of the Bible – not any other deity), is so sadly obvious in your posts. You rant and rage about a God who does not exist, searching for proof of what you passionately do not believe in. What a sad state when your heart is so hardened by your own pride.
I can only tell you that if you are reading this, you have been blessed with another day of life and chance to change your attitude. You said “I offend you with my reason.” I can assure you, that is not the case. With all due respect, you have not made much of a case for what you believe in (or don’t believe in). Look at the posts in this thread and you will many detailed, well-written, substantive, evidence-based arguments made by atheists. And I have responded to them with appropriate substance. You have done nothing of the sort in your posts. So your “Reason” is not offensive at all. What is offensive is your hostile tone. And frankly, more than offending me, it makes me sad for you. Why are you so angry? Why are you so hateful?
Abey, thank you for realizing im not as bad as you all think i am on the abortion subject. I dont accept or oppose sodomy. Some people have different sexual likes and dislikes. Along with being an atheist, i am an anarchist. I think people should be left alone, without a government to make their own decisions and deal with the consiquences.
Thanks childofra for you reference to the salam witch trials but, as you can see, no amount of referenes will help on this site. Unless its a reference from the bible. B&E, yes i said you christians make me sick and i ment it. You said “Again, I am recommending you refrain from trying to “Ask questions” and inject harassing, malicious comments throughout. I have already quoted you from other articles making unsolicited attacks on others.” Yet you have not quoted any of the malicious comments or harassment from your fellow christians towards me and asked them to refrain from it. I quoted those remarks in a previous post made by your fellow christians and in the same post, i stated that i would be called a liar and told that it was not name calling, which collin did so predictably. Why is that? Is it because hes a christian and god said that he has right to do that? In that statement you also said you recommend i stop “asking questions”. Why is that? Do you have no ligitimate answeres? Or are you afraid that my questions will make your followers open their eyes? And i’m going to do something that you seem to have trouble with. To answer your questions on, why am i so angry and hateful. I am not hateful, angry, you caused that. As i said, i hold no grudge towards anyone on here and i ment that. As for you causing my anger, go back to out posts from aug 29th and you will see why i finally got “so angry”. I held my composure from the begining but, got the same response every single time. I was called angry, hateful, a child thats crying because i cant get me way. Well, i think my way, was quite simple but, no one on here could pull it off. I only wanted answeres. Not quotes from a book written by MAN. That is NOT enough proof for me to believe in ghost stories. There, i hope that answers your questions, with proof. Not quotes. I gave you references so that you can go back and look at for this proof, without the need of a supernatural being. Yet, i will predict again, even if you dont post your thoughts on here (to prove that i am right), you will still say your fellow christians did not harass me or inject malicious comments. You use your imaginary friend to justify and get away with anything. I wish i was delusional so i could have such a powerful, almighty imaginary friend.
You are exceptional ’cause you profess love for your son without any love for God , infact hatred, ’cause all that love the man has is from Him which is what is passed on, cause man is not capable of Love for if he is, then death could would not take him, Christ is that example called for.
The likes of them who go in the name of Atheism & its Pagan delusion that which has already been mentioned should know the truth of the Bible when it says “A fool says there is no God”, the reason is that if God is not existant then nothing will be in Existance , leave alone anyone to be existant to say ‘There is no God” . But then saying you do not believe in God is different from saying “There is no God”. In the former case hardheartedness & in the latter case foolishness , both contrary to one another, just as the other one caught between Hypocrisy & killing become a curse instead of a blessing is to say when God makes things good the devil tries to turn it around & Lo these beguiled to think they are their own creators.
Are you smoking or something?
“cause man is not capable of Love for if he is, then death could would not take him, Christ is that example called for”
Man is capable of so much love but also we are capable of destruction. We are not perfect , we have flawless. Death takes everyone I doubt death is just sitting around going “im not gonna take him today cause he loves his family so much” -no death takes everyone. Didn’t that christ dude die? Didnt he love the world ? Oh wait he rose 3 days later and escape the clutches of death or what I’ve seen in various memes christ became a zombie.
My son and god have nothing to do with one another because god does not exist. And besides, because of you evil people and your evil god, my son will not enter heaven. Up until… what does the bible say? His tenth generation, im pretty sure. He was born before my wife and i got married, so that means, people like you would call him a bastard. And the dictionary deffinition of that word is,
“BASTARD
ˈbɑːstəd, noun
1.archaicderogatory
a person born of parents not married to each other.”
So lets not bring my son into a conversation about your god anymore. Further more, Birth is explained by science. Its no miracle, it happens hundreds of times everyday. And as for the fact of “when god makes good, the devil tries to turn it around” god created evil. It tells you that in the bible. So dont run on to me with this nonsense. Why would god create evil then blame us for doing it? I’ve been quite clear on what i say. I say what i mea ln and i mean what i say. No god controls my voice or my heart
If what atheist says is true about his son then the same would go for me. So by that every child born a bastard from the time of their birth won’t get into heaven. Plus something else I’m not comfortable with is everyone is born a sinner. Christians are the only ones I can think of that says a child born into this world is born with sin other cultures and faiths dont do that.
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things” Isaiah; 45:7.
“A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the lord, even to his tenth generation” deut; 23:2. And just so you know, the number of people in ten generations is 1024. So, more then likely, there shall be more then one child born out of wed-lock, in ten generations.
It is high time that these come to know that all their reasoning are like those million Phd’s with their big bang talk not knowing where the big bang itself came from, like an issue that comes out of a bang, from some wrigglings is all one can say & by denying the cause of its legacy or heritage does not change one wee bit the words “A fool says there is no God” . As for that feminist to her radical thoughts in trying to convert that which is made for bringing forth life to a killer, is but moving in the Philosophy of the devil to the curse, need be aware that “Demons have no Heritage”. for demons are not made so but make themselves so. It is but guaranteed that all, irrespective of their “agreement or liberty ” weather Christian or not, will surely stand before the Christ in His Mercy or Wrath, without exceptions. ’cause in His likeness & image is man created, to his kind. Claiming ignorance will not be an excuse, to the revealed truth.
What is abey talking about cause seriously I am confused by a majority of her comments. Can someone explain to me what this person is trying to say?
Sounds like abey is pretty upset, childofra. I think he is trying to say that he has run out of options and no matter the nonsense he runs on with, he is still right because he is christian. I maybe wrong on that but, thats what i get. The bible nor science can ligitimately say where life began. Science claims many different possible beginings other from the big bang theory. The bible has but one. Some invisable white bearded man in the clouds just got bored one day and poof “created” man kind. Well the bible only describes earth, the sun, the moon and some stars. What about the rest of the galaxys out there? Did he create those as well or did a different god create each galaxy for themself? The bible says in habakkuk 3:3 “God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.”… so that tells me that god was on earth before he was in heaven. And whoever this god was, he was really just a man. Childofra, abey has called you (and myself where it applies) a murdered, a feminist, a fool and proclaims he is a christian and he is the typical christian. Im not going to sit here and tell you what to believe. Go out in life, do you investigations and follow your heart. I can say, i for one DO NOT believe any kind of supernatural being created us. I call myself “atheist” for a reason.
Childofra, here are some verses on the subjects we were talking about. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” rom;3:23 “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me” psalms;51:5. So we are all born in sin, as you said and no sin shall enter heaven. “And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” rev;21:27. But, here it says all sins shall be forgiven, except blaspheme against the holy ghost. “Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme; But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation; Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit mark;3:28-30. The bible contirdicts itself repeatedly. It is quite difficult to keep up with all of them and for someone like me, these contridictions help solidify my disbelief in this god. Not to mention the lack of evidence.
By now it should be quiet clear that Paganism & Atheism are but different sides of the Golden Calf, the holy cow, called the devils LIE to undermine the truth of God . This truth goes back to the very beginning ever since the fall of the first parents into the first murder, however to protect Cain since he became accursed as earth opened her mouth to receive the blood of Abel (As put by God “Cursed is the Earth. for thy sake , for the sake of Man- to even the religion come as Mother Earth worship represented in Hinduism to the blood thirsty Kali/Durga , unto the words “worshipping the created instead of the Creator “) , from there started two different lines , the Line of Cain off the mark, the line of curse & the line of Abel by Seth , the line of Blessing, the two lines come as the respective fruits, off the first offerings by Cain & Abel . . In other words the food of the Line of Cain is curses & that of Abel is blessing . Now Jesus born of the Line of blessing for the sake of the line of Cain so that the mark of Cain which was a temporary mark for the survival of that line, be changed to the name of God to the blessing Line, lest it become to the Mark of the Beast for eternal condemnation in its appointed time. When Cains great grandson Lamech a blind hunter, accidently killed Cain by an arrow(somewhat similar to the death of Hindu Krisna) in his horror uttered “If Cain be avenged 7 times then Lamech 77 times” against this did Jesus say ‘”forgive not 7 but 77″. Even though the two lines come in the mix today the differenciation remains spiritually , discerned through the Holy Spirit, even know them by their word & works. A very good indication are these two in this site , The Atheist the self denier & his hen the pagan, To what the Bible says “They go the way of Cain “, even by all their words hidden in their curses by the lies, murderous intents, rebellion which is as the sin of witch craft & abuses, finding fault with God, typical of the Cains mark ( as mentioned earlier is their food) into the devil to his mark. For their unwillingness to repent instead justifying through lies, expose themselves., for they will continue even more aimlessly, even as their last wish , cause they are given into the delusion, Prophesied, clearly indicates to their time appointed. For the wrath of God they know not, ’cause they choose not the Love of the Truth, but continue in their—. needless to say for they know it better
” A very good indication are these two in this site , The Atheist the self denier & his hen the pagan”
Did you just refer to me as a hen? – if so I’m pretty sure that qualifies as name calling.
See childofra. When you question ones religion, they get deffensive. Questions open up into reason and reason opens up into logic and logic disproves religion. As i said, someone like abey, headed the slaughter in the dark ages and the witch trials. To a christian, everyone except christians are pagans. And christians think that pagans=satanic. To christians, anyone who is not christian, is satanic. I quoted a few vile verses from the bible and they cant defend it so, they go on the deffensive with harsh name calling. They use the bible as they see fit but, when a nonbeliever uses their means of fooling people, against them, they just turn to such things as name calling. Childofra,did you know the bible even talks about god forcing people into cannibalism? There are many different verses on it. “And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters” deut;28:53 is just one of them. And heres a few more, deut;28:57, isaiah; 9:19-20, jer; 19:9. There are quite a few more. What about this? ok god created adam and eve… they had 3 sons… cain abel and seth… cain killed abel… cain went into the land of nod and there he found himself a wife… if god created adam and eve and they had 3 sons where did cain find a wife? I mean we all know the story of adam and eve, according to the bible they were the only 2 people on earth, right? And they had 3 sons, right? Where did this other woman come from? There is another thing wrong with this story, if eve was the only woman created, then there had to be incest. Either she had sex with her sons or she later had daughters and the sons had sex with their sisters. In which case the bible tells you that incest is wrong. Also, if god is the knower of all things, why did he need to ask cain, where was abel, after he had killed him?…
Here. Visit this website, if you wish to read the historical facts of christians slaughtering in the name of god.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
WHAT IS THE ILLUMAINATI AND WAY IS SINGERS IN IT THAT IS WHAT I WON`T TO BEIN IT TELL ME
THAT KK
Hi Amya,
The Illuminati is Satan, his fallen angelic and demonic minions and the people on Earth who knowingly and unwittingly (through sinful satanic/demonic influence or inspiration) support their agenda. People who do Satan’s bidding can be rewarded in this world (because Scripture acknowledges that Satan has been given a temporary measure of authority over this world – i.e., Luke 4 when Satan offered The Lord Jesus Christ the kingdoms of the Earth IF He would worship him). So the draw and lure is simple – money, power and influence. But the price is being an enemy of The Lord and promoting sin to the world.
B&E you need to stop lying to people. Thats your view on the illuminati. The truth is: The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, “enlightened”) is a name given to several groups, both real and fictitious. Historically, the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1,1776.The society’s goals were to oppose superstition, prejudice, religious influence over public life and abuses of state power, and to support women’s education and gender equality.The Illuminati—along with other secret societies—were outlawed by the Bavarian ruler, Charles Theodore, with the encouragement of the Roman Catholic Church, and were permanently disbanded in 1785.In the several years following, the group was vilified by conservative and religious critics who claimed that they had regrouped and were responsible for the French Revolution.In subsequent use, “Illuminati” refers to various organisations which claim or are purported to have links to the original Bavarian Illuminati or similar secret societies, though these links are unsubstantiated.They are often alleged to conspire to control world affairs, by masterminding events and planting agents in government and corporations, in order to gain political power and influence and to establish a New World Order. Central to some of the most widely known and elaborate conspiracy theories, the Illuminati have been depicted as lurking in the shadows and pulling the strings and levers of power in dozens of novels, movies, television shows, comics, video games and music videos.Several recent and present-day fraternal organisations claim to be descended from the original Bavarian Illuminati and openly use the name “Illuminati”.Some of these groups use a variation on the name “The Illuminati Order” in the name of their own organisations,while others, such as the Ordo Templi Orientis, have “Illuminati” as a level within their organisation’s hierarchy.However, there is no evidence that these present-day groups have amassed significant political power or influence, and rather than trying to remain secret, they promote unsubstantiated links to the Bavarian Illuminati as a means of attracting membership.
HI Atheist,
First off the founder of the organization you are referring to NEVER called his group “The Illuminati”, so to say I’m “lying” is a stretch, at best. The movement he was involved in was referred to as “Illuminaten.” Secondly, everybody who does any research into the word Illuminati can find information on Adam Weishaupt. The bottom line is that term means many, many different things to many people. Even in your own post you don’t actually say who they are, but instead refer to “various organizations”, who are “alleged” to do something or another. That is a very vague answer to the question: “Who are the Illuminati.” You answer does not even confirm if you think it is a real organization or not.
I am giving my personal beliefs on the question, not a wiki entry or something from an article. If you disagree, that is fine. But if you are going to say that I am definitively wrong, then you should say specifically who/what the organization is. Just show your proof and I will happily read it.
Amya, most christian people think there are only 2 kinds of people in this world. Christians and satanists. If you are not christian, you are automatically a worshipper of satan and you are evil incarnate. You are only here to do satans work and you pure evil. You will burn in the lake of fire for eternity. Christians usually ask me “what if your wrong?” And i can ask then the same question. What if christians are wrong? What if hindus are wrong? What if buddhists are wrong? Its only by sheer luck that you are brought up in a home of a parricular religious sect and chose to follow it. I was brought up in a good christian home. Look at my name. See the outcome? To be christian is to close your eyes to reason
There is only one god allah. From time to time he has sent his beloved prophet on earth to teach man the right things and forbid from the bad. Jesus christ was one among 124000 prophets sent on earh. In the whole of bible there is not a single place where it states that he is god or the people should worship him he said i come to say to you what allah has asked him to
Hi Muhammad Haidar Khan,
You said, “nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus is God”. Really?
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:58 (KJV)
Here Jesus was saying clearly that He is the same “I AM” that appeared to Moses in the burning bush (Exodus 3:14).
I and my Father are one.
John 10:30 (KJV)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
There are many more, please search the scriptures again for yourself. And the Qur’an makes it very clear that those who will not convert to Islam, or those who leave islam must be killed! This is not love brother. That is very bad. Muhammad is a corrupter, not a comforter. God did NOT speak through him. Gods final and most authoritative revelation was spoken through Jesus Christ! He is the only way. Peace.
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.
Hebrews 1:1-3 (KJV)
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6 (KJV)
How do you know who God spoke too? God spoke to a lot of people.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
So god knocked up mary so he could given birth to himself???
Hi Childofra,
You said, “how do you know who God spoke to?” I never claimed to know who God spoke “to”, but who God spoke “through”. So let’s focus on that shall we.
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV)
So here scripture tells us that God used to speak through the prophets, but now speaks through Jesus. He now only speaks through Jesus. Muhammad was born 570 ad. Over 500 years after the time of Jesus’ birth, ministry, death and resurrection. Everything Muhammad said about Jesus completely contradicted what God had already said. Muhammad claimed to be a prophet of God, but contradicted everything God said through His final, complete, and most authoritative revelation, Jesus Christ!
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Peter 4:11 (KJV)
This scripture to me, proves God didn’t speak through Muhammad. Show me one sentence in the Qur’an where Muhammad glorifies God through Jesus Christ.
To answer your last question. Jesus is just the physical or bodily form of God the Father. The Holy Spirit impregnated Mary to give birth to God so He could take our punishment on the cross for sin. God had to be like us, a human, so he could die physically for us. He had to become like us and be tempted like us, so He could relate to humanity when we’re tempted.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Hebrews 1:14-18 (KJV)
God had to become human, so we could be saved. I pray this heps!
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John 14:9 (KJV)
Hi Childofra,
By the way, God speaks “to” everybody. And He does it through His word, Jesus Christ. Its up to you whether or not you listen.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
John 1:14 (KJV)
First off B&E, since its obvious you didnt read my post, i did say “Thats your view on the illuminati.” Secondly i stated what the illuminati was “Historically, the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1,1776.” “The Illuminati—along with other secret societies—were outlawed by the Bavarian ruler, Charles Theodore, with the encouragement of the Roman Catholic Church, and were permanently disbanded in 1785.” Also, “However, there is no evidence that these present-day groups have amassed significant political power or influence, and rather than trying to remain secret, they promote unsubstantiated links to the Bavarian Illuminati as a means of attracting membership.” I mean, what in the flying cow man? And you christians tell me i’m blind. The illuminati is nothing compared to the masons and further more they are nothing to do with satan either. You just dont understand them, so you fear them. Which is perfectly normal for a human. Yes, i think a group calling themselves the “illuminati” exist but, as can be seen, it consists of big time celebrities that are using it as a money making scam. Everything in this world is done for the love of money.”money is the root of all evil” right? Thats why the church always begs for it.
Hi Atheist,
Show me the document where Adam Weishaupt ever referred used the term “Illuminati”. Do you have a source that actually says that? Because you are premising your argument on this. Who are the present day groups? The information your are quoting is very vague.
As I said before, the term has many different meanings to different people. You see it as a historical group with some members today who are not influential. My view is one that is spiritual. You are free to hold your own definition, but to accuse me of “lying” is just not accurate. That’s all my point is. In the meantime, I’ll wait for any historical sources that show Adam Weishaupt calling his organization “The Illuminati.”
And collin, none of those examples actually say “jesus is god”. The first 2 say “i am”. Doesnt spell jesus is god. The bible is one big parable to keep people in line and its doing a really good job, I might as well tell you.
Hi Atheist,
Hey brother! Long time no talk. I just wanted to start off by saying, that I pray you and your family are doing good and that everything is going good in your life. May grace, peace and mercy be multiplied unto you from God our Father and Christ Jesus our Lord! I just want to touch a little bit on your comment.
When Jesus says “I AM”, this is the name God told Moses to tell the Israelites. God has many names, however this one in particular was well known to all Jews. It was the name God used when he told Moses to go and tell the Israelites to follow Him.
And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3:14 (KJV)
When Jesus made this statement, He was stating that He is I AM (God). There was a group of Jews asking Him questions. Any Jew at that time, would have known, that any one calling themselves I AM, was calling themselve God, plain and simple. When God told Moses “I AM THAT I AM”, He was stating to Moses that He is everything and anything that He or any man would ever want or need. Jesus stated the same thing seven times in the book of John (6:35, 8:12, 10:9, 10:11, 11:25-26, 14:6, 15:1,5).
I pray this helps brother. You know this is kind of funny. I was trying to prove this point to someone else on here, but you were the first to tell me i was wrong. Scripture clearly shows multiple times that Jesus is in fact God. The only way I can prove to you that Jesus is God is by using scripture that you don’t believe in. What I find amusing, is that you continue to come on this site and argue about something you believe is false. You continually demand proof, but when its given, you claim it to be mish-mash, and claim those who give it to you to be close-minded and delusional. Why continue to come here and argue with people who you believe are close-minded and delusional? So if everybody who doesnt believe what you do about origins of life, afterlife and so on is wrong and delusional, doesnt that make you just as close-minded? Please don’t take this the wrong way, I really don’t want to get into another endless argument, I guess I’m just looking for a simple answer. Why? Thanks for reading brother.
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
John 10:37-38 (KJV)
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
John 17:20-22 (KJV)
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 2:8-10 (KJV)
Vague? No more vague then the bible and you eat that up like its icecream. As far as accusing you of lying, i did and you did lie and you admitted you lied by saying you said thats your view on the illuminati. So its not the correct answer. I answered amyas question to who the illuminati is, not by my views but, by wiki. Thats who and what the illuminati are. Amya didnt ask for ‘your’ view on them. “On May day 1776 Johann Adam Weishaupt founded the “Illuminati” in the Electorate of Bavaria. He adopted the name of “Brother Spartacus” within the order. Although the Order was not egalitarian or democratic internally, it sought to promote the doctrines of equality and freedom throughout society” “He decided to found his own organization, which he did on the first of May 1776. This organization was first known as “The Order of Perfectibilists” but became famous as the “Ordo Illuminati Bavarensis”, or the Illuminati for short”
Hi Atheist,
Interestingly, you did not address my challenge: which was finding one historical source where Adam Weishaupt called his organization “The Illuminati.” That was NOT its name. As your wiki cut and past states, his organizatio nwas called The Order of The Perfectibilists. The name Illuminati was later attached just because he belonged to a movement that was referred to as Illuminaten. It was not the formal name of his group, nor did he refer to it by that name.
You also claimed modern groups are part of the Illuminati. Which ones?
All this is not relevant, ultimately. I only ask to show that once again, when pressed to provide evidence to support your assertions, you do not provide it. I stand by statement. The term “Illuminati” has many different meanings to different people. And you will be hard pressed to find any article referring to the Illuminati today and they are speaking of The Order of the Perfectibilists.
That first one was for B&E. This is for collin. Hey pal, i actually think of you quite often too and wonder if you have opened your eyes to reason yet but, i have my doubts. Which is normal for human beings. As for your scriptures, no, it doesnt help because its a book. You put sooooo much faith, in a book! Written by MAN! I dont see any logic in that, at all. If you can believe in that, you shouldnt have trouble to believe in any other god? They are all in books, written by man. Your scriptures mean nothing to me. “I AM THAT I AM” to me spells, “i am nothing” “I do not exist”. If god is all knowing and almighty, why did he create faulty beings “in his likeness” then blame us for doing wrong? And you claim god gave us free will? Either you bend to my every rule or you will burn in hell fire for eternity. Not much of a free will choice. And if you become a christian just for hopes on reaping a big reward then you are wrong. You are worse then the sinners. “Its better to be an open sinner then a false saint” I AM AN ATHEIST, NO MAN ON EARTH SHALL MAKE ME BELIEVE IN GHOST STORIES. IF GOD WANTS ME THEN HE CAN COME TO ME HIMSELF. And as for why i come on here and “argue” for something i believe false. Its the same concept as yours. You feel the need to spread, the word and i feel the need to let people know i believe you are spreading lies and try open their eyes with reason.
Hi atheist,
You said:
I still don’t follow your explanation. If life has no purpose and no meaning, and we’re all going to die and turn to dust like animals, why do you care about what people believe? What does it even matter? Why do you need to “open anyone’s eyes”? You act as if you have a moral imperative. But that is contradictory to being an atheist, because moral imperative inherently require a moral lawgiver, as in God. If you are going to claim to be an atheist, then why not stick to your convictions and just focus on the pointlessness and utter futility of life? People agreeing with you does not make any difference if they’re just going to be dead and gone forever in a few years, right?
There are people who have good morals that don’t believe in god.
A moral imperative is a principle originating inside a person’s mind that compels that person to act. It is a kind of categorical imperative, as defined by Immanuel Kant. Kant took the imperative to be a dictate of pure reason, in its practical aspect. Not following the moral law was seen to be self-defeating and thus contrary to reason.
According to Kant, human beings occupy a special place in creation, and morality can be summed up in an imperative, or ultimate commandment of reason, from which all duties and obligations derive. He defined an imperative as any proposition declaring a certain action (or inaction) to be necessary.
This is an article about the divine command theory
http://secularhumanism.org/library/fi/schick_17_3.html
HI ChildofRa,
Thanks very much for the article. It was an interesting read. but with all due respect it was incredibly incorrect and it’s obvious the author is really not that familiar with the Bible.
First off, it presumes that God just makes up laws arbitrarily. This is not the case. In Scripture, God gives clear reasons for why He prohibits sin. Let’s start with the most basic – murder:
Notice God says specifically why murder is a capital offense. God is not just spouting off random rules. There is a very clear reasoning provided for them.
The article also makes intellectually dishonest arguments. It tries to represent that the 10 commandments are all of the laws given in the BIble. The 10 commandments were the foundation of the Mosaic covenant – a specific agreement entered into by the people of Israel and God, of which there were 613 laws. So God did not “leave out” some sins and allow others. But your article never makes mention of this. It also fails to mention that God provided laws centuries before Moses was even born.
It also reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the Christian faith. Here is a glaring example:
“Moreover, since self-interest is not an adequate basis for morality, there is reason to believe that heaven and hell cannot perform the regulative function often attributed to them. Heaven and hell are often construed as the carrot and stick that God uses to make us toe the line. Heaven is the reward that good people get for being good, and hell is the punishment that bad people get for being bad. But consider this. Good people do good because they want to do good – not because they will personally benefit from it or because someone has forced them to do it. People who do good solely for personal gain or to avoid personal harm are not good people. “
This exposes the author as having no knowledge of the Gospel. The Christian faith is not based on “doing good” in any way, shape, form or fashion. Good behavior will NEVER get you to Heaven. The Bible is clear: “We are saved by grace through faith in Christ, and not that of ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9). Our works mean nothing with respect to our salvation. Salvation is given as a GIFT (which means you cannot earn it, or else it wouldn’t be a gift). We believe and we are saved, that’s it. So what’s the incentive for doing good? Our LOVE. We obey and live by Biblical standards because we love God. Not because Heaven is the “Carrot” dangling in front of us. A Christian cannot lose their salvation. Sinning will not suddenly “disqualify” you. This seems contrary to the human mind because our nature is evil. A skeptic says: “well that means a Christian has a license to sin since you’re going to Heaven regardless.” Well a parent has a license to berate their child, hit them and show them no affection if they so choose. But most do not do that. Why? Because of LOVE. And that is the relationship a child of God has with his or her Father.
So your article misses the mark. And I stand by my point. A moral imperative is a rule that you feel everyone in the world should follow. But if you do not believe in God, and we are all just animals, there are no absolute rules for anyone. You have no place to require people to live the way you see fit. It is only by force that you can impose your will. but if we do believe in God and a Higher authority over all, then we can easily agree that God’s rules are required. That’s the difference.
From dust we came so shall we return. We have everything to live for B&E. Living, is full of purpose and meaning. People like me, have everything to live for and people like you, have everything to die for. Live life to its fullest. Thats my reasoning behind trying to open peoples eyes, i dont want people living life, afraid to try something they’ve always wanted to try because of “god”. Because someone filled their head with -what i believe to be lies. And if people dont open thier eyes, then so be it. No sweat off my brow. Im not a christian. I dont sit and keep pushing nonsense down someones throat. Ive been there. So yeah, it wont matter in a few years but, i try. As for morals, you cant tell me i dont have morals. Like you know me. I have morals and a conscience, all without any god in the picture. Christian people i debate with tell me all the time that i have “good christian morals” and they dont understand how i can be an atheist. Its simple, just have a conscience and a heart and forget about god. God only creates evil and animosity between people. God tells you in the bible that he creates evil. Who needs the devil if god creates evil?
Hi Atheist,
You said,
From dust we came, so shall we return.
Its interesting that you use this quote. Do you know where this comes from?
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Genesis 3:19 (KJV)
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecclesiastes 3:20 (KJV)
And your 100% right about that. But thats just the physical body. What about your Spirit? You must keep reading brother.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV)
The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zechariah 12:1 (KJV)
This quote your using is straight from the Bible! Kind of ironic huh? Peace be with you.
Well Collin lot of faiths or some mythologies have mankind being created from the earth not just christianity. It can be dust or clay etc -its still made from the earth so its not really biblical
Hi Childofra,
Yes you are correct. However, the quote he was using is straight from the Bible. Sure other Holy books might say that man was made from some kind of earth material, but that quote in particular is word for word, the exact same as the biblical quote.
Hi Atheist,
What is it that you are living for? What is this living life to the fullest that you are referencing?
You wrote:
Acts 4:12 has already pointed out that you are taking the verse about creating evil out of context. The point is about judgment and punishment that takes place. That is what God creates. We provide the evil all on our own.
And I did not say you do not have morals. Anyone can have morals. I said you cannot have a moral imperative. There is a big difference.
And when pressed to show evidence on god, you have none. You have the samething i have. Quotes and copy/paste. You also only repeated what i posted “This organization was first known as “The Order of Perfectibilists” but became famous as the “Ordo Illuminati Bavarensis”, or the Illuminati for short” how did it get and keep that name if the founder didnt call it that?
I’ll leave you to research the answer to your question. The bottom line is I asked you for PROOF that Adam Weishaupt himself called his group the Illuminati, and you have provided none. It was just a name given to the movement he belonged to after the fact. And the term Illuminati since has taken on many different meanings.
Hi Atheist,
You said,
You put sooooo much faith, in a book! Written by MAN! I dont see any logic in that.
So tell me, where does all the information about life that you believe come from? Probably books written by men! So are you just as illogical? Sure, you call it reason, but that reason isn’t based off of your own research or ideas. It’s based off of books filled with information that men have piled together over the years, correct? Have you ever been to the center of the Earth? How do you know it’s not hollow. You assume it isn’t, because you read a book that tells you it’s solid, and then you make a decision that to you seems the most “logical”. However, if you’ve never been to the center of the Earth, then your accepting this “theory” on 100% pure blind faith. I’m not claiming the Earth to be hollow, just proving a point. We all accept things on pure blind faith. The Holy Bible is written by men, yes. But men ordained of God and moved by the Holy Spirit.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:21 (KJV)
@atheist
I know in these debates scripture is cherry picked , copied and pasted from an anti christian website
but why cannot the full verses and it’s context be truthfully shown, so the grasp of what’s being said and who it’s being said to
be revealed ?
can you be honest with us ? how do you grab these scriptures ? going to a website or do you just bust open a Bible
and find them yourself ?
regardless do you read just that part or full context ? explaining why it is being said ?
and if you run that same tired story of the Bible being man made or you could care less, fairy tale etc..
but you are on here talking about scripture
you will still get debunked when someone here shows the full scope against your claims.
God created evil ?
where did you get that from ? Isaiah 45:7 ?
Isn’t He stating He brings disaster/calamity to those who rebel against Him ? when you read the full scope of Isaiah 45:1-9?
yup . the best part about folks posting these so called “harsh verses”
is that when read in it’s fullness
we can see a HOLY JUST God giving people time to repent before judgement
A sinless God must judge sin point blank.
people can complain all day with the ” why did He make us if He knew we would sin ? ”
God answered right away when sinned first happened .Genesis 3:15 answers the solution to my sin
and that was the promise of Christ Jesus
“cannibalism” verses .
Deuteronomy 28:1-14 shows what will become of Israel if staying in obedience to God and then 28:15-60 describes
the penatly of disobedience, explaining in detail soon , overcome by enemies , great famine and sadly with
said great famine people may resort to cannibalism .
Deuteronomy 28:56-57 it would be so extreme that a refined woman classy and such would be so desperate to eat her young to survive
@muhammad Haidar khan “nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus is God”
Isaiah 42:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images
^ right here we have glory not being given to anyone but God .. correct ??
John 17:5King James Version (KJV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
^ Jesus now finished with his work asking God for the glory He had with him before the world existed
muhammad Haidar khan answer me this .. what man can say that they were with God before the world began ???
and in this scripture you have a religious zealot saul recognizing the voice from heaven as the LORD
Acts 9:3-5King James Version (KJV)
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Collin, up to your normal tactics again? Annoy and evade? Answer my question with another question? or just evade it completely? I dont think it makes sense for me to spell it out to you in every single post that i put on here. All you do is read my newest post and forget the previous. When in most cases my previous post fits in with the new post and answers the questions that you keep asking. And of course the info i get on life is in books written by man but, in most cases it has evidence based on the theory. The bible doesnt. Just faith. How do you know these people were moved by the holy spirit? Where you there with them? The door swings both ways brother. I agree, we all accept things that we believe but, not on pure blind faith. And to acts 4:12. I have read the bible in its entirety, twice. I cant remember every entry in it. Who can? I do have to search, copy and paste them. And not from antichristian sites. Im not antichristian, im atheist, I dont believe in any god. Some of them come from christian site because when you search stuff on the bible, most of the sites are christian sites. It doesnt matter to whom or why god does the things that the bible says he does, “thy will be done” right?. He did it once, so whats stopping him from doing it again. People like us will never see eye to eye. We are already set in our beliefs and ways. Its the undecided that we fight over. And sometimes we win one over from the other side. I have seen a personal influence in my life turn to christianity and i myself have converted a pastor to atheism. You all should really have a talk with the person love shines down on here. That is a believer that i can sit down and have a good calm conversation with. This person, love shines down, is the prime example of a real kind hearted christian. While the rest of us just have a tennis match. Back and forth.
Also, in none of those verses i see them say “jesus is god”. And if jesus is god why does he have to ask himself for anything?
@atheist for every person you boast about bringing away from serving Christ Jesus my ministry can easily testify 4 times that
ones coming to salvation .. but God gets the glory for all that
the Bible doesn’t record Jesus saying I am God .. we all know this
but we see in ACTS 9:5 the LORD saying I am Jesus … lol
as far as copy and paste .. fine, whatever you do you .. but you are cherry picking to the fullest
without the full range of the verse and full context .. that’s where truth comes into play
reading the chapter verse in it’s fullest will explain why it’s being said
and you know this
you want to bring Christians out of faith . I expect every dirty tactic, all the way down to name calling
which is the last resort.
Ravi Zacharias said when He defends the faith , it’s the same 3
Philippians 2:5-11 explains Christ Jesus humbling himself to become man and take the wrath of sin
and the son is subornate to the father John 5:36.. that answers why Jesus the son praying to God the Father.
for me, every debate on here and other message boards is just practice for real life questions.
thanks for your input . back and forth is fine
you bring out scriptures, we will debunk and move to the next subject
as long as no name calling involved , I am down for whatever
1. Atheist isn’t boasting just stating a fact & it was only one person as you say bringing away from serving Christ Jesus” -which I must ask if a person faith in christ is so strong then one can not be easily pulled away from their faith. You said you brought people to god which shows that whatever belief or non belief they had they were not strong in their convictions or they would not have been persuaded to become a christian.
2. You said “as far as copy and paste .. fine, whatever you do you .. but you are cherry picking to the fullest
without the full range of the verse and full context .. that’s where truth comes into play
reading the chapter verse in it’s fullest will explain why it’s being said
and you know this
you want to bring Christians out of faith . I expect every dirty tactic, all the way down to name calling
which is the last resort.”
Christians cherry pick out of the bible all the time, choosen what they want to follow out the bible or use to condemn others. Also atheist doesnt want to bring christians out of their faith -thats not what an atheist does; atheist want christians to use logic and reason.using logic and reason wont turn christians away from your go and you as a christian is to tell people of the gospel correct? Which in turn you hope will bring them to christ, right? You are doing the same thing you are blaming atheist for doing, turn people away from their faith or nonfaith to god.
As for name calling everybody does, I’ve seen christians do it on many occassions -you’re not all holy you know.
I meant to type
Ravi Zacharias said when He defends the faith , it’s the same 30 questions
being asked from college to college
so most the if not all you are asking
we have seen before, answered . not once does anyone acknowledge
“oh you correct” just like the question show me it saying Jesus is God/ flipping back to them with
showing a verse :: THE LORD saying I am Jesus
people walk away from that one , LOL
we answer the question, you just don’t like the answer
@ChildofRa I am not blaming atheist for anything
I said I expect DIRTY TACTICS .. like leaving out the full context
which non Christians tend to do
GOD CREATED EVIL Isaiah 45:7.. but what’s the full meaning when we disect Isaiah 45:1-13 ??
God merciful to those who obeys and since He is Holy MUST ..judge the wicked …
but dude will never show that and ignore it..
he is on here to debunk the Holy Bible and I am here to defend it , point blank
no conflict on my end ,just a job for me and I will do it. been doing this for a few years
I know how these things end , one party gets frustrated and resorts to inferior tactics of name calling.
if some Christians fall away .. like the Bible warned would happen .. so be it .. thier peril when Christ takes account
Imma still rejoice when others accept Christ as Lord and Savior regardless ..
^ ^ how is that a contradiction ? When the Bible states all have sinned and then shows that
Jesus said all sins are forgiven , a person still needs to repent
and come to Him for salvation
you are attempting to mish mash scriptures
showing all have sinned, but then showing all sins are forgiven like there is nothing inbetween
too bad you LEFT OUT other parts of the Bible where he states
in Him is salvation ROMANS 8:1-2 and no other way for to reach God but by Him . John 14:6
stop acting like nothing is explained in detail
Thank you ra. I’ve missed your company on here. You seem to understand me. And even though love shines down is a believer, they seem to understand where im coming from as well. As to the name calling, i will admit my wrong doing in that but, in a defensive way. Only after i was called names first, i fired back. And go ahead and say something like “you’re just as wrong as the people calling you names” i dont care. Im not the one claiming to be christian and have to worry about judgment. Christianity is the same as voodoo or any other superstition, it cant hurt you if you dont believe in it. Its all a mind game. If im wrong, i can admit it. After im proven wromg. Most religious people think they’er right even if proven wrong because god said so. I wish i was christian, so i can do whatever i want then ask for forgivness. Also, i am not on here to turn people away from christ, buddah, zeus, thor, whomever/whatever you believe in. I want to see your LOGIC behind your beliefs, not faith and scriptures. I am an atheist. I dont believe in any supernatural beings. If you can believe in god of the bible, why cant you believe in other gods/supernatural beings? When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, then you will understand why i dismiss yours and all others. All gods have the same concept. And you cant say “the same yesterday, today and forever” because there are many different sects that believe in the god in the bible and everyone has slight/major differences.
Hi again Atheist,
You said,
If I’m wrong, I can admit it, after I’ve been proven wrong.
Ive proved you wrong on multiple occasions, you just won’t accept it. I’ve given you tons of reasons for the belief I have in Christ Jesus, but you just can’t and won’t accept those reasons.
You said,
I want to see the logic behind your beliefs, not faith in scripture.
As I have stated before, the “logical reason” I have for believing in God is creation. Dude, look out at the night sky, look at all the stars, look at pictures of the universe. Do you really think its logical to believe that it all happened by dumb luck or chance? I want you to take a wristwatch, and completely take apart, piece by piece. Put it in a ziploc bag, and shake it up. What are the chances that all the pieces will land themselves back into a working wristwatch? And you believe, somehow, this is basically how the universe got here? What kind of logic is that! Dude that’s ridiculous! You stated earlier, “of course I gain my information from books written by men, but my beliefs are still based off of logic and reason backed up by evidence”. There is absolutely no evidence for a “dumb luck” or “chance” universe, it is scientifically impossible! Our universe (creation) SCREAMS intelligent design. Once you get to that point of understanding, you have to find out who that intelligent designer is. This is my logic, and to someone like you, that should be a completely reasonable answer to your question without using scripture. Please don’t take one sentence from my post, and start a new argument. You always claim I don’t answer your questions, is this not a sufficient answer?
Collin, that was the absolute best answer i’ve ever gotten from you. I am pleased with that however, i cant remember if it was this forum or a next but, i have said that i am an atheist that doesnt believe in the big bang theory. I would need just as much faith to believe in that as i would to believe in a supernatural invisisble being creating us as well. Neither of them make any sense. I really dont know how we got here and thats not really on my bucket list either. However, I am assured enough to believe that there is no “god” especially one of the bible. I am assured enough there is no afterlife. Maybe, reincarnation but, that cant be considered an afterlife. As for proving me wrong, i have never seen it, i have never seen proof. Only quotes from the bible and i cant seem to stress it enough that, thats not proof for someone like me. Also, if it “SCREAMS intelligent design” why is it constantly changing? If a god designed it, why wasnt it done perfectly? To stay in place, how it was first done? As i said, very pleased with your last answer but, your logic behind it is lost to me because i dont believe in it.
Hi Atheist,
Thanks for the reply. Finally I get some kind of acknowledgement from you lol hahaha! I understand why you may not see the logic, because of your unbelief in an intelligent designer, but like I said, its the only that makes sense to me about the origins of life. That’s the best answer I could give you. You know, I don’t need someone to prove to me that my car was built by an intelligent designer, because it exists. This is how I view the universe. Anyways, as far as your question about the universe changing, there are 36 constants that have to remain, well, constant for life as we know it to exist here on Earth. I believe in my opinion, that the universe changes to make sure these constants can continue to support life. If gamma radiation drops a bit, then something else in the universe changes to bring it back up. But Im not a physicists or a biologist or any kind of scientist, just a Christian who Loves Jesus. Hope this helps brother. You should look up these 36 constants, its pretty interesting stuff. Peace be unto you.
Hi Atheist,
Since you want some proof of the Bible. I will provide it. God is clear as to how He PROVES He is GOD:
Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors. 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:- Isaiah 46:8-10.
God PROVES Himself through prophecy. He proves He is uniquely God above all because He knows every event in human history and declares them all throughout Scripture. Here are just a few examples:
The Arrival of the Messiah
In ca 535 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel’s long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be “cut off,” killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia’s King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee.
In about 700 BC, Isaiah names Cyrus as the king who will allow the Israelites to return to Jerusalem and rebuild its Temple.
At the time of this prophecy, there was no king named Cyrus and the Temple in Jerusalem was totally built and in full operation.
Notice the prophecy calls Cyrus by name. This was over 100 years before he was even born. And he did precisely what God said he would do. In 586 BC, more than 100 years later, the Babylonian King “Nebuchadnezzar” sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the temple. The Jews living in Jerusalem were either killed or taken captive to Babylon. In 539 BC, the Babylonian Empire was conquered by the Persians. Shortly thereafter, the Persian king named Cyrus issued a formal decree that the Jews could return to Jerusalem and rebuild their temple. This decree is confirmed by secular archaeology in the form of a stone cylinder that details many events of Cyrus’ reign, including the decree to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem.
Here is SECULAR historical proof of the decree of Cyrus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible#Cyrus_in_Babylon_and_the_Jewish_connection
Prophecies of Israel
Moses Prophesied BEFORE the Israelites ever even entered the land of Israel that they would be conquirred and removed from the land and scattered all over the Earth as a result of their disobedience and sin.
This occurred with the siege of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar. Again this is confirmed by secular history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_%28597_BC%29
Not only were the Jews defeated and removed from the geographic area of Israel – it was by a foreign nation their fathers did not know. Why? Because Babylon did not even exist when moses wrote his prophecy. Moses also accurately predicted that starvation would play a role in the siege. Nebuchadnezzar’s strategy upon arriving at Jerusalem was to surround it and prevent anyone from entering to starve the people to death.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4012-captivity
Again, this was written in ca 1500 BC, almost 100 years before any of these events took place.
Moses also prophesied the Jews would return to their land which clearly happened in 1948. Israel went almost 1900 years without being a nation and yet returned just as the Bible prophesied.
Sir Isaac Newton one of the greatest scientific minds to ever walk this earth, knew from reading the Bible that Israel would return as a nation:
Medo-Persia Defeated by the Greek Empire
The book of Daniel, written in ca 535 BC accurately predicted that the Medo-Persian Empire would be conquered by the Greek Empire. The prophet Daniel had a vision of ram and goat fighting and the goat being victorious. The angel Gabriel gave him the interpretation:
200 hundred years later Alexander the Great, the first king of the Greek Empire, defeated the Persian empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire#Fall_of_the_empire
When he conquered Judea (ancient Israel) here is what Josephus records about Alexander’s arrival:
Again, the Bible predicted something two centuries in advance. At the time of Daniel’s life the Greeks had no empire and were a small nation. Notice verse 22 says that when the “great horn” on the goat is broken four more horns shall come up in its place. When Alexander the Great died, his son was murdered to allow him no heir. And his FOUR GENERALS divided the Greek empire among themselves. Thus the empire continued but “not in the power” of Alexander the Great since his heirs were assassinated. Again, this is stunningly accurate prophecy.
Daniel chapter 11 continues to go through the history of these 4 empires in great detail.
The fourth mighty and rich King in Medo-Persia was Xerxes I Ahasuerus (again secular history confirms he was the FOURTH). And he used all of his vast military resources to invade the Greek mainland (he failed miserable as the enormous bridge he constructed for his army was destroyed by storm). His next attempt was when he brought tens of thousands of soldiers to Thermpalye where he was defeated by a small band of Spartans led by a man named Leonidas (you may have heard about this battle in a movie called 300). Again, Daniel was written in 533 BC. This battle took place in 480 BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I#Invasion_of_the_Greek_mainland
Daniel 11 continues with this amazing prophecy:
Again we are told about Alexander the Great, the mighty king of Grecia. And once again we are told that his kingdom upon his removal, shall be divided in FOUR – precisely what happened to his empire. And the Bile specifically says NOT TO HIS POSTERITY (which of course was fulfilled as his heirs were murdered). HIs kingdom was specifically ruled by:
1) Seleucus I – who began the Seleucid (Syrian) empire, from Turkey to India
2) Cassander – who took over Macedonia (Greece)
3) Lysimachus – who took Thracia (between Greece and Turkey)
4) Ptolemy I – who ruled over Egypt
Notice they took their portions based on geography – a nothern, southern, eastern and western split. Thus they were divided to the “four winds” which in the Bible is a reference for the four cardinal directions.
Ptolemy I ruled over Egypt and the land of Israel for 38 years and Seleucus I ruled over Babylonia, adding extensive territories both east and west. Ultimately, Seleucus I united three of the four kingdoms under his control as king of the North.
This verse describes the attempted political conquest of Berenice II. Ptolemy Ceraunus, younger brother of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285-246 BC), killed Seleucus I. Antiochus I Soter (280-261 BC) succeeded his father Seleucus I and was succeeded by his son Antiochus II Theos (261-246 BC). Berenice II, daughter of the king of Egypt, Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285-246 BC), married Antiochus II. Ptolemy II died and Antiochus II restored Laodice and put away Berenice II. Antiochus II was then poisoned by Laodice, and placed her son Seleucus II Callinicus (246-226 BC) on the throne. Afterwards, Seleucus II killed Berenice and her son at Daphne near Antioch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berenice_II_of_Egypt
Daniel 11 continues to go through the history of those 4 kingdoms right into the first century BC.
Jesus Christ predicted the destruction of the second Jewish temple:
The second temple was destroyed by Rome in 70 AD. Again, any basic secular history book confirms this. And only did Titus Vespasian destroy the temple, he had his men break down every stone to melt the gold that was built into them. And then they took the stones and THREW them into the streets (just as Jesus said they would be thrown).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_%28AD_70%29
http://www.templemount.org/destruct2.html
I’m going to leave it there. There are many, many more examples. Now I have shown by secular history, that Bible prophecy is true. That God has truly predicted future events with supernatural accuracy. That even the very historical figures being mentioned acknowledged it in their lifetimes.
So now you have your proof. I challenge you to show me ANY religious book of ANY faith that even attempts prophecies this accurate, much less gets them right. You will not find it (see even I’m making a prediction now). The Bible stands alone in this regard. Why? Because it is divinely inspired.
So now that you have the proof you have been asking and asking for, what will you do? Do you now believe in God?
HELLO CRISTIANS AND ATHEISTS,
Our greatest gift, is the freedom of choice! We are all free thinkers, and we all are free to choose our own beliefs!
N. You make sense but, most believers think something like, do everything i say and you will have eternal life or dont and spend eternity in hellfire, is a free will choice. Not much of a choice if you ask me.
Fair enough collin. And i will check that stuff out. Peace be with you as well.
Acts 4:12. Your just upset that i use your means of fooling people, against you. A better contridiction would be where the bible says the sinner can neither know or see him then it says all sins shall be forgiven, so on, so forth. So, if we are all born sinners… and sinners can not know or see him… how can we go to him to repent our sins? Or what about where it speaks of jesus didnt come for the righteous but, for the sinners… then it also says, there are no righteous, no not one. Of course its explained in detail but, few really see it. C’mon brothers, We should be working together taking steps forward in medical breakthroughs and space travel not stuck in the stone age. We should be living our lives to the fullest. It can all be done without any god in the picture. Have a conscience and a heart. After all, the burden of truth is on you guys. I dont have to try disprove something that doesnt exist. You have to try prove that it exists. Extraordinary claims, need extraordinary evidence. I cant prove that jesus did not preform miracles and you cant prove that he did. But i can say i dont believe in magic and supernatural beings. Just because you call it a miracle or god doesnt make it any different. Miracles and god is magic and supernatural, its just silly that you can consider it any different. You keep picking these verses from a book, as proof for me and i keep telling you thats not proof, for someone like me. Science is questions that may never be answered and religion is answers that will never be queationed. O yeah, doesnt make a stroke of sense but, Im just going to eat it all up. You cant piss in my ear and expect me to believe its rain buddy….
Hi Atheist,
Here are some quotes on atheism from a well-known scientist:
I welcome your response to Newton’s arguments.
@atheist .. I am not upset
you are a sparring partner for real life and real ministry
people troll the internet and this webpage all day, bold and reckless
but on the streets , I have to take account
you replies and attackson Holy Scripture are just data base for me .
keep doing you dude, I am loving every minute of this
you bombard us scripture .. asking about it
and then when we defend with scripture , your whole attitude is like
“Don’t matter I don’t believe what scripture say.”
duh we know this , answers are never given for your benefit
it’s just to prove contrary to what you are trying to attack.
romans 1:18-21 explains no man has excuse for not being accountable to God
for it He reveals it to them
kind of strange A HOLY JUST God would just throw folks into hell
without them understanding why they are being judged ..
you got your response , you just don’t like the answer
I am living my life to the fullest good and bad times, and with God as Lord and Savior
it’s the best possible life.
@atheist
wow you really are just BLINDLY throwing scripture around hoping they contradict
esp for someone who allegedly read the Bible twice
once again what’s the context before we start labeling stuff contradictions?
Jesus saying I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners
Mark 2:14-17
isn’t he talking about people who don’t worship God and are not delivered ?
the Pharisees had their noses stuck in the air when Jesus was among
the un saved . which He explains a doctor has to be among the sick … to HEAL THEM ( Booo yaaa !!! )
now let’s break down .. can a person have righteousness on thier own ?
nope .. Ecclesiastes 7:20
righteousness is given to us by God through the redemption of Christ’ death
2 Corinthians 5:21
and those before Christ ?? everything still pointed to the cross
Romans 4:3-8
Wow B&E, i get beaten down for using wiki and then you turn right around and use it for your gain. Then i also get bashed against the rocks for using “antichristian” web sites for my info, yet if i said something negetive to you for using religious sites, you would say im wrong. How ironic. I shouldnt expect any different since thats how you people use the bible. And i’ll pull another page from your book, “so in other words you have NO PROOF” also, I’ve said many times before, science is religions natural enemy. A scientist that believes in god? Thats an oxymoron. How can a scientist, that studies this great universe and sees evolution happening/happened over time, believe that a god created us. If a god created us, why are we evolving everyday that passes? We were created in his image, correct? So why did/do we evolve? The flu virus- evolves every year it comes around. Every flu season, its a little different. That nonsense question you like to ask “what came first, the chicken or the egg?” What a childish question. No matter what you believe, creation or evolution, the chicken obviously came first but, in evolutions case it didnt start out as a chicken. As to a response for newton, so what if he believed in god? Does that mean i shold reject all other scientific discoveries found by… christian-scientists? No, because as i said, thats an oxymoron. If a scientist believes in god and discovers so many different, demonstratible discoveries, then he is a fool to say he believes in god to the public. God himself is not demonstratible. There is no evidence of a god. Also, not once did he mention god in that quote. So it doesnt mean that he believed in your god. This quote by newton has no point in your argument. And to acts 2:14, i’ll try make this quick, i have more important matters then your imaginary friend, right now. The context of the verse is meaningless, the bible says that god did these things, evil, vile things, so if he did them, hes an evil, spoiled, hypocritical, genocidal, homophobic, slave driving brat. If he exists
Hi Atheist,
I’ve provided the proof. This website has used wikipedia hundreds of times in articles, so you will see no bashing for using it. My comment on your use of wikipedia was that it did not answer the question you were being asked. That was one specific instance – not an indictment of wikipedia as a resource.
The bottom line is, I have provided proof. I have demonstrated how the Bible accurately predicted the future – the very thing God Himself proclaimed as THE way to know He is the true God of all creation. And I cited secular sources to show that these predicted events came to pass (and even had secular movies made about them). So your challenge has been answered. You have claimed time and time again in article threads that you “just want some proof”. You have represented yourself as a rational, logical man of science who just wants some evidence. Well, now it has been provided and you do not even address it. Instead you just attempt to change the subject.
This is why I did not provide your proof when you initially asked for it. Because you do not have a heart that desires to know God. You have a heart that hates God. And now when clear proof of the Bible’s supernatural inspiration is presented, you would rather ignore it than acknowledge the clear and supernatural truth of the Bible.
Do not let this be you. You can be forgiven. You can be reconciled to God. But you have to humble yourself before The Lord.
Atheist doesnt hate god, he doesnt believe in him,there is a difference.
Hatred (or hate) is a deep and emotional extreme dislike. It can be directed against individuals, entities, objects, or ideas. Hatred is often associated with feelings of anger, disgust and a disposition towards hostility.
Belief is a state of the mind, treated in various academic disciplines, especially philosophy and psychology, as well as traditional culture, in which a subject roughly regards a thing to be true.[1] “Dispositional and occurrent belief” is the contextual activation of a belief system in specific thoughts or ideas
Hate & belief are not the same thing what so ever
Hi Atheist,
You wrote:
This is a straw man argument. My quote of Newton gave his specific arguments FROM SCIENCE that he believed prove the existence of God. Since you are a man of science you should be able to address from a scientific standpoint why his argument is wrong. And I await your response.
As for which God Newton was speaking of, Newton was a Christian. This should be evidenced by the fact that he wrote a commentary on the Bible and twice as many treatises on the Bible than science. Not to mention he was basing his prediction that Israel would one day return as a nation on the book of Daniel.
So again, I look forward to your substantive response that refutes Newton based on your scientific knowledge.
Hi Atheist,
” People like me, have everything to live for..”
What is it that you are living for? What is this living life to the fullest that you are referencing?
So wiki can answer your question but, not mine? Ok, so be it. Also, ive said many times before. In not a scientist. If you give me enough time, im sure i can sit down and find many scientific documents on how this universe got here without god but, i know my entries on here are invalid. As long as it doesnt involve your god, im wrong. I’ve seen it from day one. Thats why you get frustrated with me when i tell you, that verses from the bible are not proof. Quotes from a christian-scientist are not proof. Just because he believed in god, doesnt make him right. He was a brilliant scientist but, then to turn around and claim there is an all mighty? Spells oxymoron, to me. Further more, his discoveries on gravity only works on earth. I have everyth8ng to live for. You could never understand how i live because you fear your god.
Hi Atheist,
You wrote:
“So wiki can answer your question but, not mine? Ok, so be it. Also, ive said many times before. In not a scientist. If you give me enough time, im sure i can sit down and find many scientific documents on how this universe got here without god but, i know my entries on here are invalid. As long as it doesnt involve your god, im wrong. I’ve seen it from day one. Thats why you get frustrated with me when i tell you, that verses from the bible are not proof. Quotes from a christian-scientist are not proof. Just because he believed in god, doesnt make him right. He was a brilliant scientist but, then to turn around and claim there is an all mighty? Spells oxymoron, to me. Further more, his discoveries on gravity only works on earth. I have everyth8ng to live for. You could never understand how i live because you fear your god.”
As I said, you can use wikipedia all you like. The bottom line is, and I repeat, your answer has been challenged. I have shown that the Bible accurately predicted the future, with great specificity. I have shown from historical sources that not only did it predict the rise and conquest of Alexander the Great over the Medo-Persian empire, even Alexander the Great read the book of Daniel and agreed. I have shown that the Bible named future kings by their actual name and predicted their actions a century before they were born. This is the proof of the supernatural quality of the Bible – all confirmed by secular historical sources.
So saying “Bible verses aren’t proof” is not a valid response since I have shown the events are readily and (in some case quite famously) documented in secular historical sources.
My point about Newton was not that he, by being a scientist, “proves the Bible.” This is a straw man argument. My point was that Newton CORRECTLY PREDICTED the return of Israel as a nation, based on the Bible. So even he knew, in the 18th century, what the Bible accurately predicted – over 2,000 years before Israel returned as a nation.
Your indictment of Newton as a scientist, with all due respect, is wildly inaccurate. You said: “his dicoveries [sp] on gravity only works on earth”. First off, he discovered the universal laws of gravity before any other human being on the planet. He was the first to explain the gravitational pull in the orbit of planets around the sun. He invented calculus. He invented the reflecting telescope. Trying to minimize him from a scientific standpoint is a vain effort.
The Lord God states that predicting the future is one way He demonstrates His being God and no other being in the universe being like Him. And the proof of that has been provided. And despite the fact that you have said repeatedly that “you’re just looking for some proof”, when it’s provided you do not even address it. You just try to avoid the specific details that are proven by secular history and talk about who can use wiki and who cannot. Again, this is why I did not immediately provide the proof you claimed to have wanted. Because your pride and arrogance towards God made it clear you weren’t looking for proof. You were just looking to show hatred for the God you do indeed believe in but rage against.
Also,after doing a little research of my own on newtow, im pretty sure hes not a credible source for your argument. As i said. Yes, he was christian but, not orthodox and some considered him a heretic. Also, on all the documentations he wrote on the bible, none of them were released to the public during his life time. “Newton did not publish any of his works of Biblical study during the time he was alive. All of Newton’s writings on corruption within biblical scripture and the church took place after the late 1670s and prior to the mid part of 1690.” Yes,thats from wiki, dont worry your pretty little head. And that also tells me he didnt write anything on god or christ. Just the corruption in the bible and the church. Which, i respect the man for doing that. I’ve see what corruption goes on within those walls. And whos to say they were’nt altered before publucation? As to what i have to live for, i have my family, my friends, i love hunting, paintballing, xbox, mma, all things that im sure you have but, in your case you cant enjoy them. Didnt your god say thou shalt not put any other gods before me? If you sit and enjoy these things “too much” then you are putting that god before “the almighty” and when it comes down to life changing decisions, i can make them based on morals and what i believe is right in my heart without worry of a god sending me to hell for eternity. You have everything to die for, arent you christians the ones that have a city of gold waiting for you after death? So what are you waiting for? I dont expect this to mean anything to you, like i said, i have learned my points are invalid on here. No matter the documents i post, from where ever, if it contridicts your god, im wrong in your eyes but, everything you post, is gold because god said so and thats all the proof you need. Some man/woman came up with “god” and the whole world went to hell. In any event, i’ve grown tired of the constant tennis match that is B&E. Im waving the white flag, to your likings, im sure. However, dont let it swell your head beyond recognition, you havent won anything, so you shouldnt strut around like a rooster with his chest out, crowing. I walk away humble, lets see if you can do the same. As far as i can tell, its a draw, i didnt convince you of no-god and you didnt convince me of a god. I have made my case many times on here and had to explain them repeatedly. I’m sure we have both ooened some peoples eyes on here to both points in our argument and i say, let them learn and follow what they feel is right. If its god,so be it and if its science,then you christians need to leave the people alone. Stop annoying them. Annoying, only pushes people away. I may pop in from time to time, to your dislikeing, to see what nonsense you are up to.
Hi Atheist,
Thanks for your comments. As you may have guessed, I once again strongly disagree with you. But I will address your points with specificity as this discussion draws to a close. And I will italicize your comments:
You said:
Let’s just clear up the issue on Newton’s beliefs:
“”I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily.”
He wrote a Bible commentary. Here are a list of some of the extant manuscripts he wrote:
As for his writings against the Church of England, that was just his critique of their many unbiblical practice, something Bible-believing Christians do all the time (this site has many articles critiquing many churches). It was not evidence that he was not a Christian. He happened to live in England so his critique of the church would of course leave him branded as a heretic in their eyes. So you are just completely incorrect on this point.
As for his writings being altered, there is no support for this whatsoever. His manuscripts were found intact in his home after his death and have been preserved since.
So a Christian cannot enjoy friends, family and video games? I don’t think you really believe that. lol. Do you really worship your xbox? Do you worship MMA matches? I don’t believe that. As for your morals, as I said before, anyone can have morals. As you said, you are doing what is right in “your heart.” Which is why you cannot have a moral imperative. A moral imperative is a rule that all people should abide by. But if we are allowed to let our sinful, deceitful hearts decide our morals, then who are you to judge me? Who am I to judge you? We are corrupt beings making corrupt decisions every day. If I’m wrong, then just prove it by not sinning. Do not lie anymore. Do not think sinful thoughts anymore. Do not use sinful words anymore. Go ahead and see how “moral” you truly are. You can’t. Just like you can’t make yourself “right”. Even in your own heart. You KNOW you’re a sinner. Which is why you’re here in the first place.
I am here sharing the Gospel so unbelievers like yourself do not go to Hell. Those who are in allegiance to Satan will suffer his fate:
Eternity in hellfire is not a game. You can mock it now, but you won’t on judgment day. This is what I and this ministry are doing – trying to point people to the free forgiveness God offers. You have made arguments and they have been answered. You have asked for supernatural proof and it has been provided. I have not dismissed your comments and points out of hand. I’ve responded to it.
I’m sorry that you have grown tired, but please do not think I see this as a “victory.” My victory was won 2,000 years ago on the cross by The Lord Jesus Christ. My job as a Christian is not to “make you believe.” I can’t make you believe anything. All I can do is present the Gospel to you and God’s Word and defend it. The belief starts in your own heart. You claimed you wanted proof and the timing of your departure from these forums seems rather ironic considering I have now presented absolute proof to you that the Bible is divinely inspired and you have not even addressed it. This isn’t a draw by any stretch of the imagination. If you die in damnation, you lose. Eternally. The stakes are much bigger than a mere internet debate.
Following what we “feel is right” is what got us in this problem in the first place. You have made some false dichotomy between Christianity and science. Yet you yourself do not believe science’s popular explanation for the origin of the universe. Yet you do not tell scientists to “leave Christians alone” even though you think they are wrong on that count. We all have the right to free speech. And I will certainly continue to use this site to share God’s Word and long as He permits. And if it annoys someone to be reminded about their sin and need for salvation, then so be it.
I thought you said you walk away humble?? lol.
Farewell Atheist. And know that I am praying for you. YOu claimed to have once been a Christian, but I question what your understanding of Christianity was at that time. From your posts, it appears that you did not truly understand the Gospel and what the message of the Bible is. I hope and pray you will come to know God with a humble heart and then you can truly experience the peace, love and joy that is in Jesus Christ. There is much more to live for than paintball and xbox. All the anger, hatred and frustration you have expressed is something many Christians, like myself, have once felt towards God to. But in salvation, we have peace with God. We are reconciled and now have joy and peace this world cannot provide. God said in Ezekiel 33: As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? – (Ezekiel 33:11.). That message still applies today. I truly hope you consider it. That would indeed be victory.
“Step inside, see the Devil in I
Too many times, we’ve let it come to this
Step inside, see the Devil in I
Oh, when all that’s left does not make sense
Step inside, see the Devil in I
I know you’ll find your answers in the end
Step inside, see the Devil in I
You’ll realize I’m not your Devil, anymore” -corey taylor/slipknot
Hello people. I guess the hype over Lucy is over so I’ll bring my statement and questions here!
What I get a kick out of is all those who come on here and try and argue the Bible, the existence of God , Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost. You all come to this site to bash it and then you want to be hypocrites by stating this site bashes other sites. I have questioned my own faith one time or another, I have looked into other Faiths to see what all the hype was about. One thing I do take pride in, is knowing I am saved due to Christ Jesus and the Word of God being fulfilled. Another thing I have an interest in is psychology, sociology, and enjoy seeing people with high levels of education looking so ridiculous. You make it all so obvious that you set out to disprove the existence of Jesus, what he did, or are in an attempt to disprove the word of God. But by your actions I think there is more to it!
So my understanding of some areas of psychology, etc., is this that you are all clearly confused with what is going on with yourselves, and your own beliefs. And the main reason you come to this website or try and bash people who have faith in God, is simple you want to be proven wrong! I love people who say I am atheist, sorry but atheism does not exist, agnostic on the other hand does. A person who claims atheism might as well say that they don’t even believe they exist themselves! Why do you care you so called atheists what this site posts anyways, for you to not believe in anything (mainly God and the Devil), then why does it even matter? Why does it matter to you what other people choose to believe? Just because your angry that you yourselves cant understand something so simple “FAITH in JESUS CHRIST”, so let me help you out, its because you use your worldly understanding and are definitely not led by the spirit. Besides what concern is it of yours what other people choose to believe?
Has the joy of people who found Christ upset you? You all (atheists) want to say don’t believe this stuff this website posts, ideals, and argue what ever gets posted. I do not believe everything on this website, but B&E brings up valid points, on many subjects, also speaks many truths, and just because you over thinkers and high doubters cant grasp such an easy concept of a free gift provided By Christ, why does it matter to you if someone else can? Your current ideals are what? That when we die we just become dust, and bones right, that or bodies return to the earth and that is it, its all over form there, we just lay there. So why does it matter what someone else believes? it should not matter to you, what people decided to believe in! I can understand other religions trying to impose false messiah’s and their beliefs systems upon another faiths belief system, I am just curious why atheist do as well? That’s why I lean towards the fact, you come here for a small hope of being proven wrong! if I am wrong about your true intentions then please do tell, Right to the point!
I know I know, just answering my questions will seem very difficult, for your first intentions will be to bash me and my faith, your going to try and make me look like a fool, while not even answering the questions! I have lived a worldly life as well, hell I still sin, I am human and that’s Why I thank my God and Jesus Christ for Saving me and giving such a great gift to me. Note I do not use Jesus as a crutch and say its okay for me to sin hence the word “repent” and I am not Catholic. I am not ashamed to say I am not perfect, I have flaws, and I do not know everything! Yet I just find it interesting for atheists to attack people about their faith, especially when it doesn’t even concern you what other people believe in! What if I was to judge you about your traits or decisions you make or how you decide to live? I find atheist (especially the really intelligent ones) to be of my amusement really. You guys really are just as intelligent as two idiots fighting over what is better a Ford or Chevy! So for not believing in God or anything that you all cant grasp does it really matter, What someone else’s faith is? Besides who cares what I drive, as long as the car works, and is safe for my kids, goes and stops, who really cares what I drive. The ones who try and impress others, are not satisfied with themselves, or are looking for attention.
I know you also hate to see people be misled by a persons beliefs, yet you sit here and try to impose your own beliefs upon others, funny how that works right. Ohh and you’ll never find something your not looking for, and if your overwhelmed from looking then your looking to hard and then get even more confused. Kind of like loosing your car keys, you don’t know there lost until you need them, and the harder you look the more you lose track of where they are. Like I said I used to have my own doubts, but not anymore, and for me to say Jesus Christ, is the only way to get to heaven, well it is!
What other faiths out there have changed the timeline? NONE! have I looked into other faiths yes, did I end up ignoring them yes, they are all false faiths, made to detour people, kind of like a fishing lure, compared to live bait, it just can not be compared. And so we are clear I do not believe in religion, religion corrupts and serves mans purposes, for their own good not Gods. I believe in the doctrine/Gospel that was written, and I believe Jesus did what he did, and I wont doubt that! and for those of you who say well its been re-written, well no duhh, if it wasn’t we would not understand a single thing it said, words back then had different meanings then they do now (passion for instance, meant to suffer, hurt, endure, etc) what does it mean now (intense emotions i.e. love, hate, rage, kindness etc. sexual desires, and intense enthusiasm) And yes I know some people changed it to their time frames for control of their societies, that’s why I don’t read with my flesh but ask God to let his spirit discern it for me, some things man cant change, so that is what I ask to see and come to understand while reading scripture, to know who God really is. and as for other religions, well they all promote peace, your right (false peace), and not all of them promote peace, for those of you out there who believe that (everyone not just the atheist), as an Ex soldier for the US Army ill say that first hand. I had to learn and dealt with what they considered peace, and that was peace by force. So what I am getting to is this. Stop being hypocrites, stop worrying about what another persons faith is, and calling us blind sheep, for having that faith! You come and show how ignorant you really are. I can care less how many degrees you have, where you went to school, you still show extreme pride in your ignorance!
When you atheist come to address (if you choose to do so) what I have said, first Ill ask you to answer my questions, then you can take your swings and try and bash what I had to say, through all the books you read, and what you yourselves have come to find to be real, in your perspectives of life, I welcome your false beliefs with open arms. Trust me I have heard it all, I used to hang out with Satanic worshipers, in fact I have hung out with all crowds, and not one has gotten me to change my faith or beliefs or knowledge of knowing that Jesus Christ is God and saved me. I have a few quotes for you. (sources unknown)
1) God gave us the Gospel to read, study, learn from and live by. kind of like how a school teacher gives their students the work they need for the exam coming up. Well there are three types of students, 1st is the one who chooses to read the material and learn it, live it, understand and know it, and passes the exam. 2nd is the student who glances at it, doesn’t take it serious and hopes to get a passing grade, and the 3rd is the one who disregards the material all together and fails the exam. Well when it comes to life and death there is no retaking the exam, that’s it time is up and your chance is over. So honestly I don’t want to be caught with my pants down. (This one is my own).
2) For those who say well if God did all that and loves us so much well why do we go through what we go through as Christians? Simple, when we are born we are like a piece of drift wood, and for those of us that find Christ we then become a piece of coal. And the reason we go through what we go through and don’t have an easy life and are persecuted for our faith is this. God wants us to become diamonds. And for coal to become diamonds it takes time, pressure and heat. If it was not for all those things the coal would stay a piece of coal, weak and brittle, unlike a diamond that shines and is a very strong substance.
3) A four year old girl can hold up to 3000 grains of sand in a handful, and a grown man can hold up to 10,000 grains in a handful. All the sand grains on the Earth combined still don’t equal up to what an eternity equals to.
So as I said bash me all you want but first answer the questions in which I asked, there is a few but each answer you give should be very easy to give, and not take a lot of time. If all you do is bash what I had to say, or give an excuse on why your not going to answer (excuses are like what? We all have them and they smell like crap) Then all you did is confirm everything I have stated your looking for. And you don’t have to look hard, you just have to have faith and believe That Jesus said who he is, did what he did, and ask Him to come into your heart and admit you are a sinner and need Him in your life. Then you have to live it! I can watch a person skydive on tv 100 times, and claim I know how, but that doesn’t make me a true skydiver. and I can say the same things about Christians who claim to be Christians and don’t repent or even walk according to Gods word or will (these are the people who make the word Christian such a vain word), this is another reason I say I disagree with religion, But Ill claim everyday I am a child of God, and a person who has been saved and redeemed by Jesus Christ, Gods only begotten son who Died for me, and also set an example to live by.
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I was surfing the web for some information for my next blog post when i came upon this and thought it was quite interesting. So B&E and everyone else i would like to know your thoughts about it.
http://jacobisrael.com/category/who-is-lucifer-really/
looking forward to B & E addressing that false doctrine article
but until then .. Can I address one thing He left out in his theory ” Lucifer is simply another name for ADAM (The fallen Carnal Man)
and SATAN is the CARNAL MIND that FED his Soul ” ????
job 2:1-6
God talking to Satan the accuser and Satan answering to God
so how can man’s carnal mind have a conversation with God ?
and of course REVELATION 20:7-10
Satan will finally be punished thrown in the lake of fire with his puppets antichrist ( the beast ) and false prophet
( the Unholy trinity )
and an EXTRA OF COURSE .. jude 1:9 .. Michael was dealing with the devil ( not man’s carnal mind )
Ra, sorry to tell you this but, its no point. I have posted 2 previous posts but, they are “awaiting moderation” there is no point in posting websites, documents or beliefs on this site if it contridicts god. In their eyes your wrong and the site or document is false. If B&E would release me other 2 posts, they would have the answers to the questions i were asked and you would see i’ve given up.
Atheist,
Dont give up,just start your own blog thats what i did. My blog is called tree of angels and demons and its just my opinion on various topics. There are gonna be bumps in the road but you gotta stay strong.
If you are true chirstians your time would be used more wisely than spending hours writing — articles trying to pick apart 20 something year old rappers. Most of you are just mad your bible thumping husband/closet porn addict are in love with iggys —. And how does she try to promote herself as kid friendly? In the picture you note her as trying to be kid friendly she wearing thigh high boots and talking about sex. Now if you wanna know who really tries I provoke bejig kid friendly, it’s usually your youth pastors that are busy touching your kids and getting busted for child porn. Sorry. Oh and read a book or google evolution? No you won’t because you fear that you might realize that your beliefs are actually —. The story of Jesus has been told so many other times in different cultures and you just take your version as truth… You have your doubts and if in your heart you really believed it all to be true, then you wouldn’t doubt. Sorry, but have some faith in yourself not a guy in the sky with a big white beard you uneducated idiots.
Hi Brit,
Thank you for your comments. If you are trying to state that Christians sin, you are absolutely correct. Put me at the top of your list. I sin daily. I have corrupt thoughts daily. I am not better than you or any rapper. I am only better off. Why? Because my sins are freely forgiven. Not by any “good thing” I have done. The Bible says: “The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.” (Ezekiel 33:12). In other words, those who think they are “good” are not going to be able to save themselves once they sin. People who think they are good on their own are no different from the wicked. We are ALL sinners. All our righteous efforts are “filthy rags” in God’s eyes. Because we have all sinned.
But where you are absolutely INCORRECT is about the story of Jesus. There is no other story like His. What other religion tells you that you are a sinner damned to hell with no hope of ever doing anything that could ever redeem or save you? Can you name one other religion in the world that says that? What religion says that you were born with a corrupt mind and depraved heart that will NEVER enter Heaven? Only Christianity does. Why? Because it’s the truth. Every other religion in the world tells you that there is something you can do to redeem yourself – whether it’s good deeds, living several lives and ascending; meditation; accessing your chakras, etc. It’s always in your hands. There is always work you have to do. Jesus said: Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. (Matthew 11:28-29). Jesus Christ can offer rest because He did the work – by giving His life as a sacrifice on your part. He died so that you could live. He took the punishment that you, I and every person in this world deserves for our sins. And now offers forgiveness as a free gift – no work involved. We just have to believe in Him and receive it.
You will find no other “story” like this. Anywhere in the world. Evolution is a mere theory. There is no proof of it. Yet Jesus is truth. You wrote “you have your doubts.” But I think it’s you who has doubt. I think it’s you who wonders if God is real and thus the thought of being judged for our sins is quite offensive and repulsive. Why else would you be so angry? In Greek Mythology, Zeus does many wicked things yet I never seem to see anyone going on mythology forum and getting angry about it. It’s because that is not real to you. But the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ are. All I am suggesting is that you get to know God with an open mind. read the Bible for yourself. The Bible says: “God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.” (James 4:6). I hope and pray that you will look to God with humility and feel His love for you. A love that was proven by sending His own Son to die in your place.
Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. – Romans 10:13.
How to Get to Heaven
https://beginningandend.com/how-to-get-to-heaven/
B&E
You said:
What other religion tells you that you are a sinner damned to hell with no hope of ever doing anything that could ever redeem or save you? Can you name one other religion in the world that says that? What religion says that you were born with a corrupt mind and depraved heart that will NEVER enter Heaven? Only Christianity does.
I think this is one of the issues many have with christianity. Damned ot hell & born with a deprave heart and corrupt mind? -seriously?! Im sorry but i doubt every single person born into this world is born a sinner ,deprave and corrupt till they eventaully belief in christ as they savior. There is something wrong with that picture. Now are some people born with a depravity ,yes there are some with severe mental issues but not the entire human populace.
In native american cultures they belirve that every child is born innocent and as the parents you must train and guide that child to follow the goodness and light. Now if children are exposed to certain things then yes it takes a toll on the mind but everyone is capable of doing good deeds and evil but dont state that everyone is born a sinner cause that sounds almost like some mind games like a rapist who rapes someone then to scared the victim to keep their mouth close say things like you asked for it,you beg me with your body or tell anyone and i’ll those you love.
So you guys come on this site ( one of the greatest CHRISTIAN APOLOGETIC sites on the net )
posting contrary to Holy Scriptures
don’t you think it would get debunked ?
speaking for myself , my ministry is built on God’s word and defense of it
this site is exposing false teachings all day
it is no time for playing Christian.
what Ra just posted was cute but the author talked from Scripture and came up HIS OWN THEORY ( Satan is not an actual being but
man’s own mindstate )
and within 3 verses I showed contrary
1. the spiritual being answering to God
2.the spiritual being punished in final judgment
3. the spiritual being in conflict with an angel
did Ra come back and say ” true true , dude from the blog in error since those scriptures show a real life ACTUAL being ?”
NOPE … of course not .. swept under the rug
remember dude from the blog was talking from scripture
so it got addressed..
Keep your opinions to yourself please. She said it herself she doesn’t know what she believes that doesn’t mean she follows the devil but that also doesn’t mean that she worships The Lord.
Hey you lying christian heathens. Im baaaaaaack but, only for a sec. I care not anymore about how you “debunk” my posts. As i said, if it contradicts your god, then its wrong, no matter the ‘slap in the face evidence’ i post. I said i was tired of your blind ignorance and i am. Ra, dont worry honey, i havent given up in my beliefs, just in these “believers” on here. They luve in a sandbox. If they like being dictated to, then so be it. Let a book control their little meaningless lives. I mean it has to be meaningless, when they are fool enough to let a ghost story control their lives. I’ll have to check out you blog sometime. Later heathens! “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.” – Albert Einstein
satan is a cool guy
no u are very wrong what’s on your mind??
there’s this cool thing called a joke
ever heard of it?
Dear friends
For those who doesn’t believe In God it okay but the reasons why we are doing this is to trying to give gods word around the world before the second coming of Jesus pls don’t make fun of the bible because it not a toy that you want play with it please in JOHN:3:3 No one can see the kingdom of god without being born again with the water and the spirits to all my dear friends who doesn’t believe in god please then you will be save. GOD BLESS AND LOVE YOU ALL
I saw this girl wearing satanic clothing from http://creaturecraft.co too.
HAVE U PEOPLE LOST UR DAMN MINDS???
ITS IGGY AZALEA NOT SATIAN!!!!YALL NEED TO GET UP AND GET OUTA UR HO– USE ONCE IN AWHILE AND JOIN US HERE IN THE “REAL WORLD”!!!!!
??WHO ARE ‘YOU” TO BE JUDGEING ANYONE??
!!!! GOD IS THE “ONLY JUDGE” !!!!
WE ARE “ALL SINNERS” INCLUDEING U PEOPLE SITTIN THERE WITH THE “GOOD BOOK” IN UR HAND CRITIZING AN “TRYING” TO BE GOD!!!!!!!!
Exotic dancers all know of the hurtful lusts, love of money, greed and desire of fame that will drag you down into perdition.
Mary Magdalena was a prostitute, but once she found her true savior, the real messiah, do you think she stood around for a $10 lap dance? NO.
She left to go follow her husband and the kingdom of God.
These illuminati “goddesses” desire the same thing but they embrace a false messiah, the son of perdition. Very hurtful and no future, why even think of having a child with these sons of sin and sodomy, stupidity.
My recommendation from personal experience and backed by the sword of truth, the word of God, if you are an exotic dancer and you meet your good husband who is founded on Jesus and not a liar just to get in your pants, you should clock out and walk out the door with him to eternal happiness, freedom and a real marriage founded on love.
To every man that was posting on this website. You livening breathing men why can’t you all face each other like the “men” you are and actually do some about this corruption. The only real man here is me I’m doing something. Not like you cowards who argue on the Internet.
LOL! “And this is what millions of children and adults are listening to in their smartphones every day.” – Somebody is forcing them to listen?! They choose this. And by the way, do you know who wrote the Bibble and for what? Go educate yourself. There are many other books to read.