Heath Ledger’s portrayal of the Joker has had a massive impact on pop culture.
The nation is still reeling from the horrific shooting at the midnight premier of the Batman movie, Dark Knight Rises at the theater in Aurora, Colorado in which 12 people died and 59 people were wounded. To help prevent situations like this, schools and businesses could look into something like a gun detection System which can help detect dangerous weapons especially guns. Holmes was such a cold-hearted killer that he even shot a 4-month old baby at point-blank range. According to reports from the police, the shooter, James Holmes a 24-year old former PhD candidate in neuroscience, had dyed his hair red and told police officers that he was “the Joker” a reference to the villain played by deceased actor Heath Ledger in the prior Dark Knight film. The character, who has a very satanic nature, has captivated the minds of many in society and inspired other acts of violence in the past. As sinful rebellion against God grows it is time to be more guarded with the constant exposure to violence, murder and depravity through entertainment.
Ledger, who died of a drug overdose shortly after the filming of the Dark Knight gave a haunting performance that many feel contributed to his death that has inspired copycat criminals with Holmes just being the latest. As Beginning and End has reported in many articles, the influence of movies that promote death, the occult and sinful rebellion are a danger to the heart and mind and in some people can push them to actually carry out violence in society.
“He was literally shooting everyone”
James Holmes told authorities he was “the Joker.”
The shooting unfolded inside a darkened theater packed with Batman fans, some in costume for the premiere of the movie.
Screaming, panicked moviegoers scrambled to escape from the black-clad gunman, who shot at random as he walked up the theater’s steps, witnesses said.
It was a scene “straight out of a horror film,” said Chris Ramos, who was inside the theater. “He was just literally shooting everyone, like hunting season.” (source)
Witnesses described James Holmes as completely cold and calculated in his murderous attack at the Cinema 16 movie theater. After announcing himself as “The Joker” he proceeded to shoot indiscriminately in the theater. And from all early reports his intention was to murder, destroy and cause chaos in the manner of the movie character and planned the attacks months in advance. Could someone really be so cold, calculating and bloodthirsty? Well certainly Holme’s inspiration, the Joker, was just that.
The Joker: Satanic to the Core
Heath Ledger’s performance turned the Joker into a cultural icon.
“He’s a psychopathic, mass murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy.” — Heath Ledger on his portrayal of the Joker in the Dark Knight film. (source)
“Well,” Nicholson told reporters in London early Wednesday, “I warned him.” — Jack Nicholson, who had played the Joker in an earlier Batman movie series, commenting on the dangers of playing the Joker after Heath Ledger’s death. (source)
The Dark Knight, which is the No. 4 grossing film of all time, was a huge success that rode the stunning performance and pre-release death of Heath Ledger. The iconic performance by Ledger, which won an Oscar, was chilling for its mesmerizing, demonic nature. Ledger played the Joker as a complete psychopath and was so consumed with the character’s portrayal that many scenes were directed by Ledger himself (including some where director Chris Nolan left the room altogether). In order to prepare for the role Ledger stated:
“It’s a combination of reading all the comic books I could that were relevant to the script and then just closing my eyes and meditating on it,” he says. “I sat around in a hotel room in London for about a month, locked myself away, formed a little diary and experimented with voices — it was important to try to find a somewhat iconic voice and laugh. I ended up landing more in the realm of a psychopath — someone with very little to no conscience towards his acts” — Heath Ledger, (source).
The Bible says: “Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.” Proverbs 4:23. We are to protect and guard are heart and mind from evil thoughts and sinful rebellion. Most people are unaware of the spiritual war taking place around us. Staying away from occult/sinful activities helps to combat the demonic forces at work in the world that seek to influence us. Ledger locked himself up in a room and focused solely on the being a psychopathic serial killer for a month. Ledger was consumed by the Joker character, he told the New York Times that he could not sleep “more than two hours a night during filming”
“I couldn’t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.” He went on to state that he took drugs, which would quell the unrest for only an hour.” (source)
Ledger continued in a cycle of insomnia, depression and anxiety that led him to take a cocktail of antidepressants as well as heroin which he did a stint in rehab for. And those drugs eventually led to his tragic death. All of this is not good behavior in general and is certainly extremely dangerous from a spiritual standpoint as the combination of focusing on becoming an evil psychopath combined with psychotropic drugs can open someone up to demonic influence.
The particular comic that inspired Ledger’s portrayal the most was a Batman comic called “The Killing Joke” written by comic writer and magic practitioner Alan Moore, who has written comics such as The Watchmen and V for Vendetta which are full of Illuminati and satanic symbolism. V for Vendetta in particular not only quotes Satanist Aleister Crowley in several portions but mentions him by name.
The hero in V for Vendetta quoting Aleister Crowley’s Book of the Law.
Ledger played the character with such demonic flair, he even flicked his tongue constantly like a serpent during his scenes. The Joker’s character in the Dark Knight is a self-proclaimed ‘agent of chaos’ who seeks to destroy the city and prove that all people can be turned just as evil and murderous as he is.
“See, their morals, their code: it’s a bad joke. They’re dropped at the first sign of trouble. They’re only as good as the world allows them to be. You’ll see, when the chips are down these civilized people will eat each other.” – The Joker, Dark Knight
The scary truth is that, the Joker has a point.
In the book of Job, Satan outlines the exact same outlook on humanity. In Chapter 1, Satan is in heaven speaking to God before His throne and God asks the Devil if he had considered trying to corrupt the God-fearing Job. To which Satan responds:
“Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.11 But put forth thine hand now, and [take away] all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.” — Job 1:8-11.
Job, who at that time, the Bible declared was the most righteous, God-fearing faithful man on Earth, was just “one bad day away” from turning into a sinful rebel in Satan’s mind. The Devil challenged God by saying if Job did not have all the land and wealth God had blessed him and ran into a little crisis, Job would soon be cursing God just like any old unbeliever. This is exactly what the Joker’s agenda is in the Dark Knight. And the card he uses as his trademark reinforces this:
One of the cards used by the Joker in the Dark Knight with Satan on it.
Job was indeed tested, as he lost everything dear to him in life. But he still chose not to curse God, but instead worship. This type of faith only comes from a close relationship with God. In our natural state, people are just as the Joker describes — “this close” to acting out all sorts of evil. The Bible says: ” The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9). No matter how much we may try to convince ourselves that “Hey, I’m a good person” it is a delusion.
“The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules…” — The Joker, Dark Knight.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Romans 8:7).
In our natural state, we are at odds and hostile to God. And we are at war with “the rules.” All people sin, choose to sin and continue to sin all throughout their lives. All people have “fallen short of the glory of God.” And the more sinful, satanic influence that enters one life, the more prone someone is to commit evil. It just takes moving away from God and letting the right amount of sinful triggers in. And in some case, Heath Ledger’s Joker helped with the inspiration for evil.
Satanic Influence: Copycats of the Joker
Belgian papers show Kim De Gelder, who stabbed infants in a tribute to the Joker.
The audiences across the world that saw Ledger’s performance were so overwhelmed that soon scores of people were donning the purple and scarlet suit and green shirt and face make up of the Joker to wear in real life. In a almost cult-like fashion, the Joker became a cultural phenomenon. And soon some were inspired to commit crime in the Joker’s name. In Dendermonde, Belgium, a 20 year old named Kim De Gelder, dressed as the Joker, conned his way into a day care center and attacked babies and infants with a knife, stabbing them repeatedly in their heads and neck, killing 2 babies and a daycare provider and leaving numerous infants injured:
The 20-year-old assailant had a painted white face, eye shadow and ginger hair, and was wearing a bullet proof vest, witnesses said. He tricked his way into the Fabeltjesland day care centre at 10am by claiming to have a meeting with one of the members of staff. He then drew a 12 inch knife and began to slash at children aged between a few months and two years old.
There were 21 infants in the crèche and six supervisors. All of the victims were stabbed in the throat or head. Parents gathered in the Dendermonde town hall and, with psychologists in support, identified the victims using photographs.
Nine children escaped unharmed. Three of the crèche’s child care workers were injured as they tried to fend off the attacker. Theo Janssens, Dendermonde’s deputy mayor, said that the man “just went crazy”. “There was blood everywhere, it was unbelievable, real carnage. He went straight for the babies and attacked them. The smallest ones were in their beds, they were probably asleep.” Marita Blindeman, the adult who was killed, raised the alarm. (source)
A mother leaves the Dendermonde day care center with her baby after the horrific “Joker Killings.”
When arrested De Gelder laughed at his police interrogators, refusing to answer questions with real information, in the same manner of the Joker in Dark Knight:
Upon his arrest, the suspect has been apparently “playing with the police,” Paijmans mentions in translated media accounts. “The man does not want to divulge his identity to the police. He had no identity papers on him during his arrest. He gave the police various false names and addresses,” says one of the latest dispatches. (source)
It was later learned that De Gelder was planning on attacking a second day care center and that he plotted the attacks to coincide with the one-year anniversary of Heath Ledger’s death.
High School Student Attacks Teacher as The Joker
A South Vermillion High School student who appeared to have everything going for her, attacked out against her teacher. However, it’s the details of how she snapped that are sending shock waves.
“The teachers and the school staff and the student body, I think is really kind of in awe that a student of this nature did these types of actions,” Vermillion County Sheriff Robert Spence said. The South Vermillion junior had been a model student. That all quickly changed.
Police said it started when she went into the bathroom. There, she put on white make up, red lipstick, and took out a razor. She then cut her face, some say to resemble the Joker from the movie “The Dark Knight.” After that she knocked on the classroom door. No one in the class will forget what happened next.
“She pulls the knife and begins to make actions toward the teacher, like she was going to cut her, slice her, or stab her,” Spence said. That’s when the teacher had to act fast. She was able to keep the girl at bay by blocking her with a desk. She even used a chair to hold her back until more help arrived. (source)
Wisconsin Break In And Strangulation
According to online court records, Cole Vetterkind pleaded not guilty Monday to burglary, battery and strangulation during a court appearance in Clark County. Authorities say the 26-year old Thorp man dressed as “The Joker’ during a home invasion. The criminal complaint says Vetterkind painted his face like Batman’s enemy in the movie “The Dark Knight” and broke into his ex-girlfriend’s home in the town of Reeseburg in January. Authorities say he choked her new boyfriend, who then shot Vetterkind in the leg. (source)
Mug shot of a Michigan man in his Joker makeup after being arrested for larceny.
Death Culture: A Societal Obsession
One of the many children dressed by their parents as the Joker for Halloween.
“To me he’s demonic – he has this incredible rage. His parents were killed when he was young, and these are the things that are in his head. To me, Batman is all about rage, anger and revenge.'”- Christian Bale on Batman in the Dark Knight (source).
The copycat fascination with Ledger’s Joker reached its worst consequence in Aurora. Fans were so anxious to get into the theaters to see the new Batman film that babies, and elementary school age children were brought to a midnight showing (of a movie that is almost 3 hours in length) to see a movie that features graphic violence, terrorist attacks, torture, mass killings and large-scale destruction. Why did parents even bring 4-year olds and 6-year olds to see this film? What kind of effect does this movie have on their psyche? What spiritual influence are they exposing them to?
Why was the world so captivated by a character that was so evil? Why has there been such an obsession over a character who only seeks to harm, kill and destroy and takes pleasure in it with absolutely no remorse? Again, it comes back to the soul and lack of Godly influence. As society rejects the Bible and seeks to erase any mention of Jesus Christ in public, normal common sense discernment about morals and values go out of the window. Society becomes so fascinated with death entertainment whether it be Dark Knight, shooter video games or the hundreds of murder documentaries on television, that bringing a 4-year old child to see the Joker gouge people’s eyes out and slash throats seems like a good decision.
Movies provide the type of stimulation to the psyche and subconscious that can satisfy this thrill-desire. In fact, even though Holmes, who is 6 foot 3, entered wearing body armor and firing an assault rifle, many people in the theater were so captivated by the film they thought his initial shots fired were part of the movie and were not scared. The Bible says:
Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death — Proverbs 8:34-36.
By reports Dark Knight shooter James Holmes attended church as a child and possibly visited nearby Elevation Church weeks before the shooting. Clearly he was still looking for something spiritually but was very involved in death culture by his obvious obsession with the Joker and weapons he was purchasing as he plotted this murder spree. We may never get all the answers for why he chose to do this but we know he was clearly given over to depravity. Again, the heart, when left unchecked is capable of all manner of evil.
The Answer: Draw Closer to God
A group of young men form a prayer circle at the victim staging area at Gateway High School in Aurora.
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. – James 4:8
There will be many questions about this tragedy and why this young man, who seemed to have a promising future, committed one of the worst mass murders in American history. The answers may or may not come. But what can help others in this time is prayer. Praying for the victims and families. Prayer for the city of Aurora. And prayer to help the hearts of all people. If you want to see less evil, pray. If you want healing in the hearts and souls of those young people who are contemplating hurting others at this very moment, pray. Pray against evil spiritual forces in your home, in your life and in your nation. Violence is a consequence of a sinful heart and God can provide the change in heart and spirit through faith in Jesus Christ.
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” (2 Corinthians 5:17). By seeking forgiveness for sins and believing in Jesus as Savior who died for the sins of humanity a new believe receives a new born Spirit from God. It is a new nature that seeks to please God rather than rebel. It welcomes righteousness and goodness rather than craving evil and death. The Book of Ephesians states:
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. — Ephesians 4:22-24.
Christians have not hesitate to reach out to the victims of this tragedy and give support through compassion and most importantly prayer. Evangelist Arthur Blessitt went to the victim staging area after hearing about the tragedy to assist those in need, saying: “I’ve been in war zones all over the world and it hurts to have this happen here at home. This is where I need to be.”
Evangelist Arthur Blessit leads a prayer at the victim staging center.
Greg Zinn, Jimmy Budwell and Gwenaviere Doherty, of Dare 2 Share Ministries, pray outside Gateway High School in Aurora, CO, where witnesses we being interviewed by authorities Friday
Gwenaviere Doherty, left, and Valerie Donalds pray outside Gateway High School in Aurora, CO.
Despite what James Holmes believes or what the Joker says in a movie, there is love and goodness in people. Matt McQuinn gave his life to save his girlfriend, shielding her body from bullets. His girlfriend, Samantha Yowler, 26, survived with a gunshot wound to the leg and is in fair condition after undergoing surgery.
Matt McQuinn gave his life to protect his girlfriend, Samantha Yowler.
“Jon just took a bullet for me,” Young, 21, told the Today show. “He knew and threw me on the ground, and was like, ‘We have to get down and stay down,'” she said. “Every gunshot, I was like, ‘This is it … I’m done for.'”
Young said that Blunk had previously been in the military and was planning to enlist again. She said she tried to rouse him when the shooting was over, but he didn’t move. “He is the guy that would take a bullet for you. He did the right thing all the time,” she told Today. “I know I would not be here today if Jon had not been next to me in that movie theater.” (source)
It is time to turn away from “the agent of chaos” and turn back to God. Jesus Christ refused sin for His entire life on Earth just to take the God’s wrath so that those who believe in Him no longer have to. And in believing in Him and building a relationship will leads to the fruits of the spirit which grow in the hearts of a born again believer: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance..” (Galatians 5:22-23). Continue to pray for the victims of this tragedy, their families and for the city of Aurora for their healing, peace and God’s grace.
Sparrow says
July 22, 2012 at 8:54 amPrayers are not allowed at any other time except AFTER these horrific events happen. It is beyond my ability to understand this. I understand that even the president is showing up today. To do what? Pray? Too late Mr. Obama!
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Will Gehring says
July 31, 2012 at 12:16 pmJames Holmes is a brainwashed patsy! The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Please look into his father Robert Holmes being a senior scientist with FICO and and upcoming testimony in LIBOR banking scandal trial. The inconsitencies between witness statements, James mother statements and the “official” media story. Look into Tavistock, MKUltra, and their connection with the CIA and FBI. And use your own eyes and brain. He wasn’t alone, he wasn’t an explosives expert, he didn’t have the finances to obtain the weapons, there is no security footage of the incident, Holmes was never actually positively ID’d as the gunman. He was “found” by a 60 second SWAT team dazed in his vehicle. And most importantly there is the history of the government using false flag terrorist attacks as part of a covert agenda to take away our rights and further a globalist, satanic, new world order, agenda. The timing!!!! Obamas 2nd term campaign and the UN gun treaty. Don’t believe mainstream media!!!!
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Sparrow says
August 2, 2012 at 10:20 am@Will Gehring
Agree with you. Sounds like you spend a lot of time on Alex Jones site, as do I.
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xino says
July 22, 2012 at 10:46 amthis is exactly what is wrong with society and what we see in media.
violence and sex.
then people who approve of sex and violence will defend the media having them, saying it doesn’t affect them.
But it affects people! Just because it doesn’t affect you doesn’t mean it is right to have these things in the medium.
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Nathan says
July 25, 2012 at 1:35 pmPeople like you upset me. Always Redirecting blame. There is noone on this earth that has the right to tell others what they can watch on their damn TV. It’s the same amendment that protects your freedom of religion. I’m thinking it’s a good ammendment. I like choices. As I’m sure you do. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable in the cozy confines of north Korea? You sound as if you don’t like freedom? Or maybe you just think we should rethink all our freedoms to be more to better serve yourself? Your self richeousness, and moral high ground are a slap in the face to our for fathers. Who infact came up with the bill of rights to protect our freedoms from people such as you.
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xino says
July 25, 2012 at 5:18 pmso if you have freedom…how can you tell what is right and wrong?
have you seen Bruce Almighty? do you remember the part Jim Carrey approved of everyone’s wishes? then everyone went amuk and doing whatever they want.
As you can see, even God has standards, we can’t get what we wish for as he said so in the bible.
you just sound like a right fool to me!
you think you have freedom now? –YOU DON’T!–
You are still living under the Governments rules!
you are being *governed* by this very second!
if you have freedom, go kill someone you hate now and tell me what will happen!
We are all govern, it is not a survival of the fitness, but one person/being MUST always govern another to achieve a complete cycle.
*Right now I am governing my laptop, the laptop is in my command and I can command my laptop because I am the laptop’s master.
*I pick up my toothbrush and I govern it because I am it’s master!
*My parents commands me because they are my master as parents and I serve them
*my teacher commands me because they are above me and I serve them and do as they say
*The principle commands the teacher because the principle is above the teachers
*I obey my manager because my manager governs me.
*Head office commands the manager because they are above the manager
*Board of Directors commands the Head Office
*CEO commands the Board of Directors because he/she is above all of them
*Government commands the CEO because they are above him
*Head of State- King/Queen commands the Government because he/she Reigns the kingdom or country
*Now to your conclusion, who commands the Queen/King?
As you can see, this is a world and a life of DOMINATION. We are all being taught and commanded by our masters.
Jesus/God/Father governs the head of state whom are the queens/kings.
Without commanding or governing, there is no purpose or meaning to life
There is always a Master and always a servant in this world. If you understand this simple cycle concept, you will know that Jesus Christ governs the Queen/King thus making him the Master of this universe who governs ALL!
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Beginning and End says
July 26, 2012 at 11:51 amExactly.
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Tee says
August 9, 2012 at 12:06 amRight on!
And the point is, those people who keeps claiming they have rights or freedom, they seem to use it almost exclusively to describe going gay, watch movies or angry music or porn… None of the that is real freedom. What these guys demand is just freedom FROM GOOD to do bad liberally! If you’re really free, how come you can’t stop yourself from watching porn, violent movies and crack? You can’t even go a way without caffeine and junk food. Even food has rule over your mind! Are you A SLAVE TO SIN. So naturally you speak against righteousness because you are a slave to satan, who is represented by Joker here!
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Mihaela morgan says
October 10, 2012 at 8:51 pmBoy and I thought my jokes were bad. You go along you little sheep
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jameccia says
July 22, 2012 at 2:20 pmSo so sad. You’re right sparrow! They want God out of everything and soon as something goes down bad they want to pray. Obama made remarks about which part of the Bible we should take into consideration in a bad way, but then wants to pray for the victims. Pray to who and for what? He counted our Lord out when he made speeches and made mockery of Him. My prayers are that the victims find hope and love through our Lord Jesus Christ, and make life changes that will influence others to seek the Kingdom God. Great job B&E!
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Scarlett says
July 23, 2012 at 4:53 pmObama prayed? It’s my understanding that God hears the prayers of those who serve him. The others…not so much.
Great comment to an outstanding post, just when people, even Christians are asking, “Why?”. The post spelled out very succinctly…why.
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Tee says
August 9, 2012 at 12:09 amObama is bringing the U.S. under. Even if he doesn’t get a second terms, the impact is done.
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Gak says
April 30, 2013 at 7:59 pmHe and Bush both.
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justpassport says
July 22, 2012 at 2:48 pmHi beginning and end, I must say that you have so far proven to me that there still are true Christians in this world, who would choose the Gospel truth over pleasing others. I have read almost all your articles and they are good..
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Beginning and End says
July 24, 2012 at 9:32 pmThank you very much for your kind words. It is much appreciated. God bless. And by God’s grace we will continue to stand for the Biblical Gospel and God’s truth.
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Stylishly Yours says
July 22, 2012 at 7:23 pmGreat article. I never knew Heath Ledger did all of that to play the Joker that’s very scary and it’s even more scary that people want to emulate that character. What happened to “don’t try this at home”. Why is it that people can’t differentiate between a movie and it’s characters versus real life? My prayers are with the victims and their families as well as the city of Aurora. I hope they all find peace once again.
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Asia says
July 23, 2012 at 11:33 pmGreat post, well explained. Thanks for speaking the truth, hopefully people who need to hear it will stumble across this blog.
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vonnie says
July 24, 2012 at 9:40 amThis is the world we live in, that why it’s very important to hold on to God unchanging hands and allow our faith to take center stage in our lives. http://www.padfield.com
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RalphPfromHoboken says
July 25, 2012 at 10:19 amI have nothing but sympathy and prayers for the victims that died terribly last Friday by this nutjob. But people must understand, this is a “FICTIONAL COMIC-BOOK CHARACTER”, he is not real!! Unfortunately, some people don’t realize that what they see on the screen isn’t real but only a movie!!
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Nate says
July 25, 2012 at 1:08 pmI stumbled upon this steaming pile excrement by chance. As a mature law abiding citizen who also happens to be an athiest. I just have to say that I don’t judge you for being Christians. Our great country allows you the freedom to worship whomever you want. The glorious 1st amendment. But I’m downright offended at the stupididy of most of these posts. Im actually reading a “serious” post about movies, violence and sex being this great evil that turns normal kids into sociopathic murderers. Are you suggesting amending the 1st ammendmant? Controlling what Americans can watch on tv? While you all bask in your own self richeousness ask yourself this? Who says what’s ok to watch? And how? What’s the divisible line? Can I be genuinely offended by Sunday morning gospels and have those removed? I’m offended by people trying to tell others how best to live, and what to watch. I’m offended by you. Before we go dismantling our civil liberties, let’s instead concentrate on our own business. Stay out of others affairs. If there’s a movie your sure will offend, then don’t attend!! Our freedom grants us choices. All of us have choices in what company we keep, what god you choose to pray to, and what we choose to watch on television. A movie does not create a psychopathic killer any more than the irresponsible lazy parents that don’t censor what kids watch. And if the movie did make him do these thing then Mabe he was a tad crazy to begin with. So, instead of tearing up the bill of rights how about you mind your own business.
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Sparrow says
July 25, 2012 at 3:45 pmWe can choose to not attend a movie, change the channel,or whatever offends us. What about the people who do wallow in this filth? They then bring this into society for all us innocent folks who chose to not watch. How can we be protected from them? Everyone is affected by what’s out there, whether we choose to view it or not!
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Beginning and End says
July 25, 2012 at 7:08 pmHi Nate,
Thanks for your comments. But if you think this article is about censoring the media and the first amendment, you have missed the entire point of the article.
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Michelle says
November 29, 2012 at 2:45 pmWhich a lot of people (including atheist) seem to do at every chance they get!! I shake my head all the time at things like this. I actually gave up the the Television, video games, and worldly magazines! I really was in a dark fog and I notice months later how I started to think differently! Then one day my husband shown me a clip on YouTube on a movie (which is still like watching the tube) and I became sick instantly. I was so upset with myself first, then with him! But I still blame me…no one else. Like millions of people do in this world! They blame so much on others than themselves…just like Adam and Eve!
There are spiritual wicked things in this world that the smartest atheists, greenies or tree-huggers, evolutionists, so called Christians (that are not Christian to say the lest), and other sects in this world can’t beat because of lack of knowledge and good wisdom! I hear that so many sects believe their free. But, I beg the differ when your god is satan. Even when he is right in front of your face! I see and recognize his devices and the people that work for him. And this wicked world praise him so much!!!
I wish people would come to their senses, but then that would be to easy. It’s sadden me how I was ignorant and arrogant about it just like many are now. I was in the scene (vampire) and it was dark. I let all types of things take control of my sorry pathetic life. I’m sadden that I lived a worthless demonic life like many do, and will try to sit and BASH good things in the head and praise stupidity! Sheep…no their not sheep….more like buffoons, going to the beat or lies! Free minds….I highly disagree when you continue to sound just like the rest of the world. Saying this and that about pure poo pock!
Sorry for my ramblings but I love the article about this brain-washed demonic boy. This will continue to happen as long as people hate Christ and love satan! Even though they say he’s fake. But, this dark world turn him on every day and watch his device and praise it on different shapes and size alters! God bless and keep up the good work!
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SomeGuySpeakingHisMind says
May 21, 2013 at 5:54 pmAlright, another arrogant christian. This whole article is a steaming pile of horseshit. I know it’s old but I really have to get this off my chest. First, This about Heath being possesed is… Well, bull—. He was an ACTOR An actor who took his work seriously. But he didn’t become ‘obsessed’ with the role. And this satanic bullshit is even more ridiculous. Secondly, Jamie Holmes has NOTHING to do thee joker. Nothing.Infact most of these copycat ‘facts’ are just media lies. Holmes ACTUALLY WAS DRESSED AS A ‘JUGERNAUGHT’. From Call of Duty. This joker bull– stems from his died hair. By the way, he actually died it red WEEKS before the shooting, so that he would be noticable on his online dating page. By the time of the shooting it had deteriated to orange. He never said he was the joker. This whole article is a biased, indoctrinated pile of s– with no factual evidence what so ever. And by the way, I’m not an atheiest. But I Wouldn’t be offened if you thought i was. I like to think of myself as an egnostic, and an open person. But it is closed minded people like you who really piss me off. It always seems to be christians too, I’ve never read and Muslim or Jewish articles. Maybe it’s just me or maybe your religious friends need to learn that your preaching gets really annoying, really quickly. I don’t have a problem with christians, i have a problem with religous bigots. And watch your step, your an article away from those filthy extremists who burn qu’ran’s and endoctrinate their kids into beliving that “god hates fags”. Those kinds of people make me sick and damage my opinion of the whole religion.
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Tee says
August 9, 2012 at 12:26 amYou are an atheist because you are illogical, mindless and full of anger. YOU WOULD speak for violence. WHy won’t you? Cause you’re heading that way yourself!
If I have to risk being self-righteous to potentially save lives.
What you are talking about IS NOT HUMAN RIGHTS, what you’re talking is SELF INTEREST. You can’t be self righteous, of course. Because a person like you would shameless defend some hollywood crap for the sake of keeping options of satisfying YOUR desires EVEN IF YOU KNOW it may potentially send harmful messages to kids. They are not your kids, right? What do you care? You don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone about you. People like you should not be allowed to even talk, because last time they were we had Hitler.
Stop posting crap. YOU WILL BE JUDGED. Keep pretending all you want and keep watching your porn like no one is watching. Disaster will strike and God sends His wrath swiftly on those who are wicked.
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arthur says
September 12, 2012 at 12:31 pmI think it is dangerous to want to see others judged. It is gang mentality. Groups (not individuals) congregate to seek out power over each other. Individuals, isolated and independent are not the bringers of harm – groups are. And while groups as a whole may foster positive things such as charity, love and trust they also propogate lack of personal responsibility and lack foresight in giving up personal analysis for faith. You will find more self-interested people in groups than alone is my main point.
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Olsonjla @TEE says
October 7, 2012 at 9:27 amWe’re ALL wicked. It’s part of the human condition.
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Jessica Arnold says
October 31, 2012 at 2:49 pmI hope you do not call yourself a “Christian” with that mouth of yours. I am an atheist, and I respect people enough not to treat people like that. Didn’t Jesus preach about loving thy neighbor? You also are a tad judgmental. I believe that there is a passage in the Bible regarding judging your fellow man; They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” (John 8:7) I think that before you shoot your mouth off again that you should learn some respect and maybe go back to Sunday school.
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Michelle says
November 29, 2012 at 2:56 pmI use to call myself a vampire atheists…wow right! How dumb was I? Hmm…atheists sound a little to close to satanists….evolutionists….is it me? Not trying to diss. No, not my intention. But when I was a FREE (wink, wink) minded thinker. I truly was not! I did have my own gods that CONTROL me like the dark forces that runs every free thinking mind in the world!!!!!!. Like the vampire subculture (devils), perversion, lies, anger, and I can go on! Now look at yourself in the mirror (or any other free minded atheists) and tell me ” why do I feel alone”? Love you girl!
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charly says
August 10, 2012 at 8:09 pm@Nate
you ARE talking about freedom. so its best for you to seek your own secluded island, where you can live ALONE and do whatever you want, because your “freedom” will not make other’s freedom lost.
when you live next to other, whatever you please others do to you, do it also for them (Matthew 7:12). THAT what freedom is all about. by doing that you WILL live longer, so WILL the others around you.
what B&E trying to say is: “Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.” (Proverbs 4:23). so Nate, why the Christians have special joy. we HAVE hope and guarantee that there is an eternal live, where we can live and enjoy forever with our Lord. that can be your part too. may God bless you.
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Nathan says
July 25, 2012 at 2:05 pmOne more falsehood that this story implies.. The fictional character the “Joker” isn’t satanic. He’s a psychopathic homicidal maniac who believes in nothing. A nihilist, or an anarchist. If any of you have actually seem any of these movies you’d know that it’s an epic struggle between good and evil. Right and wrong. It’s a morality play that’s very realistic in the fact that sometimes the good guy doesn’t win. It’s about the strong protecting the weak. We’re all looking through the eyes of batman (a good guy) protecting the weak from evil doers. The joker is in no way sensationalized he just became larger than the film due to excellent acting by Heath ledger. There is only blood 2 times throughout the entire movie. It’s not even rated R. Unlike another bloody movie which is rated r by the way called The Passion of the Christ. Which by the way was written by a Jew hating womanizing, hate monger. But…… Somehow Christopher Nolan the writer and director of the batman trilogy drove a poor young kid to kill 12 people and wound many others. Excuses are for the weak minded. Every man is responsible for their actions. We all have choices to make. It’s irresponsible and actually quite dumb to assume tv violence can affect a person this way. It’s a cop out and I can’t buy it.
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Commenting says
July 25, 2012 at 9:36 pm“..a psychopathic homicidal maniac who believes in nothing. A nihilist, or an anarchist”…is not Satanic? wether you believe in Satan or not, these are his deeds indeed.
“..It’s irresponsible and actually quite dumb to assume tv violence can affect a person this way”…so, the poor young kid who killed 12 people and wounded many others, was inspired by nature due to watching and contemplating Trees, lakes, and mountains and I he was so weak minded that was even a Phd candidate. – funny how he relates the Violent act with some drama that is 100% TV related! I can’t even believe how you come up with this conclusion after reading the whole article, IF you didn’t skipped one paragraph.
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Tee says
August 9, 2012 at 12:39 amAgain, Nathan, you are completely illogical. You don’t even know what you talk about.
One moment you say the Joker character believes nothing and is a psycho, not evil like satan. Then you say the movie is a battle between good and evil. So is he mentally ill or evil? I think you are the one who believes in nothing, so you are going down that path too if you don’t repent.
Then you go to talk about passion of the Christ completely uninformed and biased, as you have shown yourself again and again. The passion of the Christ was made based on scripture. The Jews killed Jesus. Jesus died for people’s sin but he was resurrected. WHY IN THE WORLD will a jew make a movie that reveals the sin of his own race? You’re SO confused.
Repent, maybe you can get your mind back, instead of being a slave to media and comics, like a robot. You’re not living even now. If you truly repent and ask God to forgive your lying sins and ignorance, and your willful hostility towards Him, He will forgive you and accept you as his son. You will be saved.
If you continue to stay in ignorance and illogical pride and refuse to submit to God, you are going down with satan. It sounds harsh. But look at the world, it’s harsh. It’s reality. You can continue to live in your fantasy denial, you won’t escape the Judgement Day. Repent now while you still can!
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Brighton says
August 12, 2012 at 2:11 amHi Mr. Nathan. Passion of Christ is non-Christian movie but Catholic,satanic and evil from the pits of hell that is why it is that evil. Read for yourself.
Mel Gibson’s New age movie http://watch.pair.com/passion.html
Passion of Christ cast
http://watch-unto-prayer.org/cast.html
Mel Gibson’s Passion of Christ
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1898.cfm/
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jameccia says
August 13, 2012 at 3:02 pmWhoa,WHAT?! I mean really WHAT THE HECK?!!!! I viewed your links and I’m soooooooo shocked! I’m lost for words. I’m going to research more but I truly thank you for the heads up. I’ve seen that film and gosh I can’t even keep my month closed now after reading those links. Oh my goodness may God have mercy on their souls. I’m utterly shocked! B&E what do you think bc I truly value your opinion.
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Beginning and End says
August 13, 2012 at 3:47 pmHi Jameccia,
I am in full agreement with the articles, particularly the Cutting Edge article, which I have read before. Passion of the Christ is not a Biblical representation of the Christ’s last days. It is a tribute to Roman Catholicism, Marian worship and filled with Gnostic themes and symbolism. The most disturbing aspect of the film IMO was the appearance of the androgynous Satan in the Garden of Gethsemane with a baby that is obviously the Antichrist. And as the articles note, the basis for the film were indeed the writings of Catholic mystics. I absolutely do not endorse that film as a Christian film. It did not even have a presentation of the Gospel, at all!
If you have any other questions about it, please feel free to ask. God bless.
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jameccia says
August 13, 2012 at 4:45 pmWell I thank you B&E! I sure do have some explaining to do (my children ). I’m ashamed. I followed a lie and believed it to be from a Christian stand point. Can’t thank you and your posters enough ….
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Beginning and End says
August 13, 2012 at 11:42 pmNo problem. And it’s understandable. A LOT of churches mobilized their congregations to go see the movie without even reviewing it themselves first. There was a great deal of hype and momentum in the church community to see the film as soon as possible even though it was being made by someone who was not using the Bible as source material. The good thing is that as we as grow closer to The Lord the spirit of discernment within us increases. God bless.
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john r says
July 25, 2012 at 11:46 pmOne of America’s idols is the god of guns. The tragedy in colorado is just that god speaking to its people. why be surprised? Jesus Christ has said “…for they that take the sword shall perish by the sword.” If you support gun ownership, you can’t really claim to follow the wisdom of Jesus Christ. Give up your idols, you hypocrites and help America turn to real Christianity.
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Peter says
August 19, 2012 at 2:29 pmYou sound a bit religious my friend.
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The Whyman says
July 26, 2012 at 12:37 amEvery artist has a worldview that they wish to express to the world via their medium.
Those that dismiss objections and expositions of the message and ignore those who take those messages to their logical conclusions conveyed because it’s “just a movie” (painting/sculpture/song etc) miss the point entirely as they haven’t put thought any further beyond its entertainment value.
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Tee says
August 9, 2012 at 12:16 amSo? Hitler can be an artist, too.
Doesn’t excuse the violence and wrong messages. There’s a balance of everything in this world. You can’t uphold YOUR EGO so much that it risks the mental health of others.
And seriously if you call batman movies ART, then you’re not a very sophisticated artist. Just being honest.
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The Whyman says
September 26, 2012 at 10:03 pmTee, try responding to what was written instead of knocking down strawmen.
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charly says
August 10, 2012 at 8:26 pmbut the effect of the “just a movie” is not just a movie. it is real. satan uses everything including the media to annihilate as many human as he can (Jhon 8:44)
so why don’t you just support this article to prevent any evil acts?
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The Whyman says
April 14, 2013 at 6:31 pmSee my reply to Tee.
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Georgios Gerontas says
July 28, 2012 at 12:44 pmThe real truth is that only the Orthodox Tradition has weapons to eliminate the devil.
But people in the ‘ western ‘ countries live in a new age of darkness from the sects of popism , Protestantism and even further.
Now the bankers , Jewish or not , rule with their ‘ media ‘ to drive the masses from darkness to darkness and all the programmed lies about Greece just to be quiet when they destruct the Arabs.
What a darkness .
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Tee says
August 9, 2012 at 12:50 amGod doesn’t save TRADITIONS or sects. He saves PEOPLE.
We all have Bibles and we can believe the truth, repent and submit to God. If we believe with our hearts that Jesus is the Son of God, and confess with our mouths and get baptized, WE ARE SAVED. But we have to obey God’s commandments and the Bible. We have to be led by the Spirit, not the flesh.
Yes, it would be nice if every Christian can tell which church in the world is most aligning with the will of the God. But the fact is that it’s impossible for people to all move to that one church, right? Where you stand with God has to do with what YOU believe and what YOU do. So even if you don’t necessarily belong to the ‘right church” you can still be saved if you believe the Bible the way God intends you to.
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Tee says
August 9, 2012 at 12:51 amI have to add though. Read the Bible for yourself and pray to God to lead you to a church HE has prepared for you.
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Brighton says
July 30, 2012 at 3:52 amThank you B & E for for this update… I read about Heath Ledger and his tragic six months ago a certain Christian website and watch his movie The Dark Knight with curiosity. Quite disturbing and I am shocked with these events which following Ledger’s character from that movie.God bless you.
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Jagar Newby says
August 2, 2012 at 11:07 pmWow in all seriousness holy crap. Do you guys really want to go there with the fact that god is void in the homes of the residence of Aurora, Colorado. First it was looked down upon that we even say the pledge of allegence in school…. Did we forget about the Columbine School shooting? Two boys were alienated by there piers and society blamed music bands such as Marilyn Manson to be specific. Where was god in the home with those two young teen boys? NO One wanted to pray then???? People are very impressionable especially at a young age. As a former resident and went to the theatre regularly There are plenty who pray and have god in there hearts. It doesn’t stop them from making good nor bad decisions. Being psychotic has nothing to do with god but everything to do with a chemical inbalance in the brain. This person obviously cant tell the difference between every day life from things that are being depicted in a movie. This really infuriates me to no end. I cant believe how ridiculous this sounds. I know that it’s easier to blame some thing else rather then taking responsibility for anothers actions.
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The Whyman says
August 6, 2012 at 12:05 amJagar Newby exemplifies my point.
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Scott Dinges says
August 3, 2012 at 8:57 pmI was obsessed with Dark Knight from a very early age!! I had a demonic experience in San Diego!! I love Jesus Christ more than ever!!! He saved me from this corruption!! My mind great after ready many books and Highly recommend the Bible and Ivor Myers new book. We need pray for Jesus to come because I know Revival is approaching! God Bless.. Peace, Love & happiness and we are not hippies! We love jesus!
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Beginning and End says
August 6, 2012 at 11:53 pmThanks for your great testimony. God bless.
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Mihaela morgan says
October 10, 2012 at 9:06 pmTo everyone on the forum. Why so serious?
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Scary says
October 10, 2012 at 10:51 pmThere was a lot of religious symbolism in the move “The Dark Knight Rises”. Joker = Satan,
Can you guess who was the false Jesus?
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Jessica Arnold says
October 31, 2012 at 2:36 pmI think it is funny that everyone is freaking out on this site. None of you are going to change anything by voicing your religious opinions about a movie. Why must everything be a fight? Why can’t you just watch it and be happy? There have been people that do horrible things while dressed as the Joker, but they could have just as easily done their acts with out the greasepaint. These people just need something to hide behind. And for all of you religious people…in the end, who wins? The metaphorical devil is captured by the metaphorical Jesus. More people are inspired by the heroic Batman that the villainous Joker. Good beat evil. It’s just a movie people so try not to get your panties in a bunch.
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Beginning and End says
October 31, 2012 at 2:50 pmHi Jessica,
I have to say that in light of people being murdered, including a man who murdered infants, because of the Batman films, to say, “it’s just a movie” to the people who are voicing their thoughts against the killers, seems to really be reaching.
Isn’t it obvious from the acts carried out, that it was not “just a movie” to the people who committed these crimes? Just because you may not understand the reasoning for their actions does not make their actions any less motivated by the film. And in the case of crimes so heinous, the acts really speak for themselves. And certainly to the victims, it was far more than “just a movie.” They lost their loved ones, children and their own lives. If we are not going to get “freaked out” when babies and adults alike are slaughtered then we have no conscience.
But you are right, we cannot change anything or anyone. God can. And that is why we share the Gospel. It is God’s Word and Spirit that can work change in the hearts of people. And I pray that this article, the prayers of those involved in these incidents and Christians worldwide will continue to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ in love, truth and compassion for all people.
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Jessica Arnold says
October 31, 2012 at 3:08 pmAll of the deaths are tragic and they will never be forgotten, but we cannot blame a movie. I have a tattoo of the Batsignal that has “Why do we fall? So that we can learn to pick ourselves up” written around it. Batman is my hero because he saves people without ever wanting to be thanked. Batman may have inspired me to be a better person, but he has not made me take up the role of vigilante. These murders had more things wrong with them than watching a movie. These people probably have been exhibiting psychotic problems for years. It does not make it any easier for the families, but it not DC’s or Nolan’s fault. The Joker character is evil, but he is not the reason that people have died. A fictional character cannot make anyone pick up a gun.
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Beginning and End says
October 31, 2012 at 6:20 pmHI Jessica,
OK, with all due respect – “it’s just a movie” but you have a Batman tattoo? You have chosen to mark yourself for life with the logo of a fictional character and a line from a fictional movie. Dare I say, for you, it’s much more than a movie! You have taken a line from a movie and made it a life’s creed. You say a fictional character can’t make anyone pick up a gun, yet it made you get a mark for life in the name of Batman.
And just because the film has not made you violent, doesn’t meant it hasn’t that effect on others. You can’t presume to know what “problems” these assailants have. That is all speculation. The article is dealing with the facts – they clear identified themselves as the joker, dressed as him, put on make up like him and then went out to commit gruesome crimes. And let’s not forget that Heath Ledger himself was tormented by the character. So again, for many, many people it was more than “just a movie.”
And while DC Comics nor Nolan forced anyone to do anything, there are obvious, images, ideas and themes in that film that Satan has used to trigger the imagination of these many criminals who have done horrible things in the name of the Joker. We are not animals. We are beings with a soul and open to influences on many different levels. Do you believe in the soul?
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xino says
November 15, 2012 at 10:12 pmgood word BeginningandEnd.
when people start to look after Batman, getting the clothes, mark, tattoo, comics etc.
They are basically making Batman their God. Their dedication to Batman proves he is their Idol, making it a sin of Idolatry.
Deception…people will always fall for deception and lies.
“it’s just a movie” they all say. Yet people kill after watching the “only a movie”.
People would rather see dark, profanity, sexual and violent movies than to seeing a movie about Good, good that contains none of them.
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xino says
November 15, 2012 at 10:08 pmI just finished watching the Dark Knight Rises.
so much blasphemies and twist to the bible!
basically turns Batman as Jesus while also being the Devil himself.
Bane and Lady being Satan.
so much blasphemy. Anyone who worships Jesus in “Spirit and in Truth” would easily see the hints from this movie.
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Eric says
December 14, 2012 at 12:29 amWhen trying to read this article, there was a continuous pop up ad for Dark Knight Joker toys & action figures. So the page was funded by marketing The Joker to children?
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R.S. says
January 13, 2013 at 5:24 amI am a born-again christian and I must say that I only read about the heath Ledger article and I find it ridiculous and embarrassing for calling myself a christian since that all you idiots ever assume it’s always led demonic possessed influence. I am not embarrassed for believing in Christ as my Lord and Savior but I am upset that you would assume Heath Ledger died from worshiping or cooperating with the devil. NEWS FLASH: lots of method actors go into months and months of getting into movie role. Ask yourself of why people like Deniro didn’t go crazy in Taxi Driver, Jack Nicholson in the Shining, Daniel Day-Lewis in there will be blood (who does 1 movie a year for the preparation of the role), or why didn’t Dicaprio develop OCD, who followed a guy for a month, when doing THE AVIATOR?
On top of this, the DK was shot in 07′ summer time, which gives a year of what you would call “POST PRODUCTION” of editing, etc. Have you thought about the idea that maybe he had his problem of sleep all along from other films before doing the DK? Of course, you would not see that in the press until now since of his last movie, which so happens to be a dark role. I got news for you, he would have died, equally, if he did a good moral role, as well. So, yes, it is possible he destroyed himself from drugs but there is no connection of the role of the Joker since many actors do a lot of preparation before a role.
I think you’re too dumb, naive, uneducated when it comes to understanding acting. It has nothing to do with the Devil but the hand craft work of God who can allow us to play evil roles in movies and show the meaning of Good vs. Evil. You can see this a lot through the OT. As for his lines in his movie, I don’t see how this connects to anything but that you can show this film as a display of good allegories on how the devil is or how people can be without ethic codes. Or, you can also look the fact that Batman took the fall to keep the city safe as Jesus took the fall for our sins to be forgiven when it’s us to be blamed.
I think people just hyped up the film and said, ‘OMG, HEATH LEDGER’S LAST PERFORMANCE AND HE DIED??!!!!!”. That shows nothing but stupidity of humanity.
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Michelle says
January 13, 2013 at 5:29 pmI’m sadden on your belief and your so called reasoning on the things you wrote down. I honestly don’t think God gave any of these actors these roles to play and to show us the evil and good side of things (I think it’s a slap in the face and to make people say they’re only acting and it’s not real).
Honey, if you read your BIBLE, the True word of God, you would not say these things. You would seriously know these actors fruits. You would know the fruit they bare and whom they truly work for. I’m sadden that a lot of people are saying the same things.
Now, did you ever think that some of these actors spirit’s are stronger than others (that is why they can handle their devils way better than others)?
Now I’m not attacking you, yelling at you, or even going to call you NAMES….why, because I chose to pick, carry, and wear my cross (not literally) to follow my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I would call myself a Christian but so many people today in this backwards world bash everything Christian (they call evil good and good evil)! On this earth, everyone is almost brainwashed, or don’t want to wakeup and they believe everything they are fed.
I know where you was going but you and I still need to do our own research, study our Bibles, read it and wear our armour. Because, the devil is not here to tap dance, play the piano…he is here to devour, to kill, to steal, and lie…And, God is allowing him to do that (because we live wicked…we are all sinners and live by the flesh). And God wants us to use our free will to do what’s right and stick together as Christians. I don’t see love in this ugly world that everyone worships (the world they worship not love). These actors are possess with things you and I can’t see. Believe it or not!
I do apologize if I offended thee, but this is why people don’t believe in God, when we say we believe in Him and we bash each other, and call each other stupid or ignorant. We as a (Christian) family should love and respect each other even when one view is different from ours.
Jesus said to Love God first, then love your neighbour as you love yourself….are we truly doing this? Or our we just like everyone else in this corrupt world?
Btw, when you become a born again Christian, your heart is trouble, but not in a bashing way. This is another bad thing we do. We tend to scare people away.Those who want to seek God. Not the ones comfy in their sin. Also, we need not to be a part of this wicked world and set wicked things in our minds. Television, movies, clubs, bars, etc….I mean you wouldn’t get mad or angry if one is not watching these actors (idols/sorcerers) putting spells on people (the masses). I don’t watch television, I don’t go to movie theaters, and I don’t go to school (home school). Have you notice this is where people are targeted? Also, the malls (where people spend on worthless stuff)! They know where to send their Mk-ultra (mind control-devil possess) to go kill the foolish humans.
Hope you listen and not get mad, then I honestly know the fruits you bare! Please pray for guidance! And have a good one!
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R.S. says
January 14, 2013 at 5:32 amPLEASE READ THIS, CAREFULLY:
Your First Paragraph:
Knowing the actors fruit? I’m sorry, do we live in heaven? No, we live on earth, where there is Good vs. Evil. Film is a great way to show it. You can’t expect to have every film about Jesus this or Jesus that. There are Jesus films and Christ Figure films. You make it sound as if we Christians are suppose to be monks. If you truly read your bible, you’re suppose to go out into the world and spread the good news, whatever it is we do that brings glory to him. This role could have been played by a christian and it would have never made a difference. Again, you clearly have not studied the craft of acting since that is the calling God has given me to go into and study the craft. Perhaps a lot of people are saying the same things, who I hope are Christians, because they don’t live in a christian bubble and sit at home, go to church sundays and just hang out with christian friends. They actually GO OUT into the secular world…if you know what I mean. Oh, wait….didn’t Jesus come to the secular world ;)?
Second Paragraph:
None of what you said made any sense? IT’S A MOVIE! On top of this, you are brainwashed, since there are Christians who go into a secular industry and make good examples of humanity. If you are a christian then you could have clearly seen a lot of symbolism in the film that you can show to humanity on good and bad parts. In all honesty, I really appreciated the film because it expresses truth to reality on how cruel the world can be. People should be aware of it since not every film you watch is a fairy tale. You can see LOTS AND LOTS of fairy tale films on other parts of the country, where they can convince how their nation is perfect when it’s the opposite, or better yet, have no Jesus. If anything, that is more devilish since Satan is extremely intelligent. You’re only pointing the obvious things about him.
Third Paragraph:
If you don’t see the love in this ugly world then either get off of your ass and go into the ugly world so they can see the light or shoot yourself. I’m sorry that sounds harsh to say but so many of you Christians are too much of a wimp to do what you are told to do. You critique those without even looking into their background, which brings research. Again, what I said from my last paragraph, he probably had these problems before doing the film. Again, they would not release this on press unless it led to something tragic. The movie role had nothing to do with it since he died a year later after the film was shot. Like I said, either way, he would have been dead just the same whether he did this role or not.
Fourth:
Perhaps you are right that I have come as harsh and I pray that God does work in me to control my tongue at times but it doesn’t even surprise me that there are explicit language used in the bible, especially the OT. Feel free to watch a lot of Mark Driscoll’s sermons. He’s incredible. I do love Jesus and part of loving him is fulfilling his calling, his desires he’s given us to do so we can enjoy him, which is in his creation, along with preaching the gospel (which I do remind myself to do so when necessary). As I said earlier, I deserve hell and not his love but he is gracious enough to show it to me…without even expecting. Therefore, I apologize for the criticism but we ALL LIVE IN SIN, therefore, we are all destined to sin (Romans 3 I believe), meaning we chose it, already. That is where his grace comes in and decides to draw himself when accepting his message. It doesn’t mean we will stop sinning but , yes, we will change, whether view of the world, occupation, attitude, new creation, etc. I don’t know about you but if I was given to do this movie role then I would pray to Jesus allow me to display the best way I can that can be shown in public to see how cruel the world is and people can think about. It did for me, at least.
Fifth:
This one really shows the hypocrisy on your statement. You sound exactly like the pharisees who only do as they wish or better yet, allowed those not to work on sabbath but they did. You maybe a christian, you maybe even saved but poorly misinformed on society. Again, you only list the obvious things of sin like clubs and bars when it can happen in politics, seclusion of the world, other jobs where the devil can keep your busy instead of your calling, creating a cult or being monks. Again, you need think deeper on how intelligent Satan can be. Remember, Satan is nothing but a cry baby, middle man, who just per verses every good gift that God has created but if you remember Romans 8:28, he turns all things to good. Yes, God allows wicked things, too, unfortunately, but for his reason. It is also sad that Heath Ledger is probably not saved and died in his sins but this would have happened anyway, regardless what movie he was doing.
So, since you don’t watch movies, tv, school, don’t you see how ignorant you are of the world? I don’t recall Jesus being ignorant of our world when he came to live like us. I don’t recall any of the prophets of the OT that lived that way. If anything, this has been developed over time, especially in this awful, stupid American culture where non-believers portray us as monks or secluded, or things we can’t do. If that’s how you think God is then you are portraying christianity no differently from any other faith. This is exactly what Jesus was mad about when he came into this world and saw his people only speaking to those that they felt safe around and not befriending with those that needed him. Granted, it can be risky and cause you to stumble when we are with sinners. Perhaps, that’s where a christian in the secular world (called earth) can build and maintain their relationship with their heavenly father.
You need to realize that there are Christians out there who pursuing callings where God wants them to be, such as tv, movies, or even in clubs, bars, modeling, politics, etc., where gospel is preached. Lastly, not every club and bar is what you think it is and i don’t even drink or smoke. Depends on what TYPE you go into. (sigh) I really hope you can sit and re-evaluate on your faith and understanding bc if anything…this is the reason why non-believers don’t listen because people like you don’t bother to understand them or go to them when you seclude yourself from society. Of course, at times, I get upset when I’m surrounded by non-believers because it shows I hate sin but who am I to think such a thing when I am a sinner, when I need to learn to understand and most of all…love them, which I continuously fail to do and hope I can achieve it so I don’t have to be mad or envious of their sin. I believe in Psalm 37 describes this issue.
God Bless and, please, don’t reply. But…good luck to you. Again, forgive me for the usage of my harsh language.
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Michelle says
January 14, 2013 at 11:57 amWow, now I know why your harsh….your an ACTOR…I need not say more! Only the Lord will truly JUDGE us. And He knows all of our hearts.
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R.S. says
January 14, 2013 at 9:18 pmWhether if I was an actor, musician, politician scientist, etc., this argument is applied, which you, obviously, have not read. Nice cop out, considering I was right on that you need to get off of your bum and go into the world , know the people, in order for them to listen to the gospel. Otherwise, keep wasting your time on this site, which may not benefit much as other Christians go out of their way, risking their lives, to spread the gospel.
Also, I did say that I do study the craft, which I would assume you could have put two and two together. Again, apparently, you are not that bright. …why am I not surprised?
Take care.
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Michelle says
January 16, 2013 at 9:13 pmCop out, not bright, wasting time!
Not at all brother.
I love you and I hope and pray that one day God allows us to meet!
I would love to see you face to face.
Not on a site that I’m wasting time on…..but your also on too!
Bro, I will let God deal with you. I will not and choose not to be harsh, hateful, or even bash
a SOCALLED Christian! Wait, born again one at that! Whether your an actor, musician, whatever….one day you will see things as they are…MESSED up!
See I don’t know you at all…just your harshness, bitterness, and views!
I’m lucky I love The LORD Jesus Christ. I’m glad I’m humble….whether you think I’m weak or not.
But when you sit at the tables with devils (whether you think it’s a calling or not) you tend to
pick up bad habits….(potty mouth), and, the I think I know everything,and I like to scare people and force my way on them. That is living by the flesh…
Now….we can talk like Jesus wants us to or you can continue to be like every so called born again that thinks He is doing the work of the LORD…. I do hope you humble yourself:
1 Corinthians 10:21
Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils
Mark 12:31
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these
1 corinthians 10:31
Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God
Please forgive me if I offended you. I sincerely mean it. I will not respond after this because I was
never looking for a fight. Just wanted to say how sadden I was because these days are dark….
See my brother was in the industry (music). He was a child of God. He got really deep in things and was murdered. Long story.
I do wish you well and hope you don’t get caught up! Especially when your around wickedness!
Again, I’m will not respond to your harsh or negative comments.
Love you and hope one day you can understand it’s not about being bright. I do not seclude myself I
help out a lot as much as I can brother. I am a servant and I’m still learning and seeking God. Later!
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Blair Brown says
June 9, 2019 at 1:16 pmR.S.,never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
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R.S. says
January 16, 2013 at 10:06 pmAgain, it shows nothing but you being a cop out and how you neglect yourself from the world. Considering you’re a woman, I’d imagine you would get offended easily and not separate that from rationality. If you were a little bit wise then you would know I NEVER offended you. Your bible verses are sufficient but it does not match anything what we have been conversing on. As for your brother, I’m sorry but just bc one person’s death should not give you the view how the industry is.
…nice try :). good luck.
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Christian Bale says
August 26, 2013 at 4:02 pmGod must be shaking his head right now seeing us act so stupid. All of us…
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Christian Bale says
August 26, 2013 at 4:14 pmEven all of us “perfect Christians”. Why do we all separate ourselves if we all have the potential to do bad or good.Nobody is better than anybody (yes that includes the judgmental Christians and Atheists). And somehow I’m going to Be told “we can’t coexist with the evildoers”. People are not born evil.
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It’s the typical Good vs. Evil story, just like the own bible. If someone reads the bible, thinks satan is awesome, rebellious and clever, tries to follow his path… This is the fault of the reader, not the book.
If someone tries to imitate the Joker, they forget that the movie told they are wearing hockey pads.
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May 23, 2017 at 12:00 pmgod is not the answer. Occult isnt evil. The people using it are, leading to the idea it is, making us turn to christianity; exactly according to plan. You have to fight fire with fire, christianity makes you weak in the face of true initiatives, becuase youve trained yourself to believe you are powerless when you realize god isnt going to save that person, you are. You naturally see power as not coming from within but from without. You give zero credit to yourself and only to god. Creating the mental fortitude of a three year old wanting his or her parents to do everything
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