The “last trump” is not what most Christians may think.
“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.” – 1 Corinthians 15:51-54.
One of the greatest mysteries and debates about the Rapture is the reference to “the last trump.” In the passage above, the Apostle Paul reveals that the translation of the church from mortal human flesh to glorified, immortal bodies will occur at “the last trump.” This is one of the greatest prophetic events described in Scripture – the Rapture of the church. But just what is the “last trump”? Is it the 7th trump of Revelation 9? Is it the trumpet of Rosh Hashanah? This article will explain that it is neither of those events and show from Scripture what the last trump actually is.
Why The Last Trump Is Not The 7th Trumpet Of Revelation 10
The kingdoms returns to Jesus Christ once Old Testament prophecy is fulfilled. One of the common interpretations of the last trump is that it is the 7th trumpet that is sounded in Revelation 9:
“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.” – Revelation 11:15-19.
There are several reasons that this event is often viewed as the last trump. For one, the Book of Revelation clearly states that there are seven angels designated to sound seven trumpets – each one unleashing a judgment on Earth from God. Thus it makes sense on its face that the seventh and final trumpet would be “the last trump.”
Additionally, in Revelation 11 we read that after the sounding of the seventh trumpet there is an announcement that “the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” Thus it appears that this would be the time of the Rapture as all the Earth has been turned over to Christ.
However there are several flaws with this interpretation. For one, the book of 1 Corinthians was written in ca. 53-54 AD when Paul was in Ephesus. The Book of Revelation was written in approximately 96 AD. If Paul was indeed referring to the seventh trumpet of Revelation, it would be over 40 years before any reader would have any idea as to what he was talking about. Additionally, there is no basis in Scripture for Paul knowing about the Revelation John received decades later. Paul was killed in ca 70 AD – well before the writing of Revelation. This would be the only instance in Scripture when one divinely inspired writer references a prophecy of a vision of another writer that had not even taken place yet.
The 7th trumpet of Revelation 11 seems like the time of the Rapture. But where is the Raptured church in that passage?
Additionally, the reason that the kingdoms of the world are turned over to The Lord Jesus Christ at the seventh trumpet are not because of the Rapture of the church. Assuming for a moment that the church was raptured at the seventh trumpet – how would that event automatically mean Jesus Christ now reigns over every nation on Earth? There is no logical connection. Letting Scripture interpret Scripture, we can look to Revelation 10 for the answer:
“But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” – Revelation 10:7.
The mystery of God was that salvation would come to the Gentiles and then the Jewish remnant in the end times. This group of believing Jewish people will be supernaturally protected during the Day of The Lord (also known as the Great Tribulation). It is their coming to a saving faith in Jesus Christ as the prophesied Messiah of The Old Testament that will fulfill all of the remaining Old Testament prophecies. This is how Jesus Christ wins rightful dominion world back to Himself from Satan.
The fulfillment of prophecy was a critical part of Jesus’ mission in His first incarnation on Earth:
“And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;” – Matthew 4:13-15
“When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.” – Matthew 8:16-17.
“All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.” – Matthew 13:34-35.
All the messianic prophecies had to be fulfilled before the death of Jesus Christ. In fact there was even one prophecy remaining on the cross:
“After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.” – John 19:28-30.
The drinking of vinegar fulfilled the prophecy of Psalm 69:21. It was not until this final prophetic fulfillment that The Lord uttered “it is finished” and died. The same fulfillment of prophecy is required at The Lord’s Second Coming. And there are many, many prophecies yet to be fulfilled, that predict Israel returning to God and believing upon The Lord Jesus Christ. We go into detail about the end times reconciliation of Israel in our article: “All Israel Shall Be Saved! The End Times Salvation Of Israel.”
When the believing remnant calls upon Jesus in the end times – realizing that He truly is The Son of God and Messiah – the mystery of God’s plan of salvation will be complete. This is when Christ wins over the kingdoms of the world. Even though at that time the Antichrist and his minions will still be physically controlling earth, from a divine legal standpoint, the deed to the planet will be returned to Christ Jesus.
The final reason the seventh trumpet is not the last trump is that we do not see the raptured Church anywhere in Revelation chapter 11. If that was the Rapture, where is the church? Why is there no mention of it? It does not make logical sense.
The Last Trump is Not The Trump of Rosh Hashanah
This argument is simpler. There is no ‘Rosh Hashanah’ (“head of the year”) in the Bible. This may come as a surprise to many because it is frequently referred to as a “Biblical feast day.” Yom Teruah, the Biblical feast Rosh Hashanah is based on is described in Leviticus 23:
“And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.” – Leviticus 23:23-25.
Numbers 29 describes the burnt offering, meat offering and drink offering that was to be made to The Lord on this day. No purpose is given in Scripture for this feast.
It was through rabbinical tradition that this feast day was turned into “New Years” on the Jewish calendar. The New Year in the Bible was the first day of the month of Nisan (the same month of the Passover feast). Thus all the traditions regarding the month of Tishri being the New Year and its many rituals were added traditions and found nowhere in the Bible. [B&E: Even some of our ministry’s articles reflecting this had to be revised. And we apologize for our doctrinal error.]
When Jesus Christ fulfilled the feasts in His first Coming to Earth they happened on the exact day in rapid succession. Jesus was crucified on Passover. He was buried during the Feast of Unleavened Bread and resurrected on the Feast of First fruits. The outpouring of The Holy Spirit occurred on the Feast of Pentecost. Thus it stands to reason that the 3 remaining fall feasts will be fulfilled at His Second Coming directly by The Lord Jesus Christ on their precise days rather than at the beginning of the Great Tribulation 7 years before His return.
The Last Trump Revealed – The Silver Trumpets of Numbers 10
The trumpet of alarm in Numbers 10 is the “last trump.” It was these trumpets – not the shofar – that God commanded to be played at every feast (Numbers 10:10).
The Last Trump is a reference to the silver trumpets God instructed Moses to craft in Numbers 10:
“And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
…And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the Lord your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.” – Numbers 10:1-3; 9.
Note that the trumpets served two purposes: the gathering of the nation and an alarm. But the alarm was no normal trumpet blast. It was a call for God to supernaturally intervene and fight Israel’s enemies for them. An example of this occurred in 2 Chronicles when the wicked idolater King Jeroboam went to war against faithful Abijah, the faithful King of Judah. Abijah warned Jeroboam that by attacking the southern kingdom of Judah he was risking a battle against God Himself:
“And, behold, God himself is with us for our captain, and his priests with sounding trumpets to cry alarm against you. O children of Israel, fight ye not against the Lord God of your fathers; for ye shall not prosper.” – 2 Chronicles 13:12.
God did in fact supernaturally intervene in this battle:
“And when Judah looked back, behold, the battle was before and behind: and they cried unto the Lord, and the priests sounded with the trumpets. Then the men of Judah gave a shout: and as the men of Judah shouted, it came to pass, that God smote Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah. And the children of Israel fled before Judah: and God delivered them into their hand.” – 2 Chronicles 13:14-16.
In the end times the Trumpet of alarm will be sounded once again and God will fight for Israel.
This is the “last trump” Paul refers to. Note that the word “last” in Greek is eschatos where we get the word “eschatology” (the study of the end times) from. Thus the last trump is an end times trumpet, rather than the final trumpet in a sequence.
This alarm trumpet is mentioned in direct connection with The Day of The Lord – the Biblical term for the final years before the Second Coming of Christ. As explained in our article: “The Day of The Lord – The Event The Starts The End Of The World” one of God’s main purposes at this future event is the protection and reconciliation of Israel to Himself. The believing remnant of Israel will come to a spiritual awakening that will lead them to sound the alarm:
“Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;” – Joel 2:1-3.
A second reference is found in the same chapter of Joel:
“Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? Then will the Lord be jealous for his land, and pity his people. Yea, the Lord will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things. Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the Lord will do great things.” – Joel 2:15-20.
The context of this entire chapter is the end times. And God promises to: 1) gather the Israelites and 2) fight for them – the Biblical purposes of the Day of The Lord. Note all the end times references as the chapter closes:
“And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions…And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.” – Joel 2:27-31.
Zephaniah 1 makes the same connection between the end times Day Of The Lord and the trumpet of alarm of Numbers 10:
“Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests. And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord’s sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king’s children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.” – Zephaniah 1:7-8; 14-16.
The Last Trump – God Turns His Face Back To Israel
“And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet… The Lord of hosts shall defend them” – Zechariah 9:14-15.
When Israel sounds the trump of alarm in the end times it will truly be the “last trump” for the church – as we will be raptured to Heaven to be with The Lord. But it will simultaneously be the time God turns His attention back to Israel and initiates its national reconciliation to Him. This all happens at the start of The Day of The Lord which occurs at the 6th seal of Revelation chapter 6. Israel will find itself under attack by the Gog-Magog coalition, sound the alarm trumpet of Numbers 10 and God will supernaturally intervene to defend the nation. And through seven years of end times judgments a remnant of believing Jewish people will be supernaturally protected from the Antichrist waiting for their Messiah to return to Earth.
What makes you think Paul didn’t see what John saw, if David saw what Jesus saw (hands and feet pierced, Ps. 22). Also if you read Jeremiah 40 and 2 Kings 16, you will realize that “Jews” are not Israel. They were the “wound” of Judah. The “Remnant” is of Israel, not just the Jews who infiltrated Judah. Israel is a “people called by my name”. The “last trump” does absolutely refer to the seventh trump. God is not beholden to “time”. Only flesh. Those who “return” or “pass through” or “cross over” is a big help in scriptures understanding these things. We change to the heavenly, not the heavenly changing to the worldly.
Hi Michaelsguardian – Seeing a future event is prophecy. David saw Jesus pierced on the cross. That is in line with many messianic prophecies of the Old Testament. What some are suggesting with respect to the last trump is that Paul saw a detail from the vision John would have 2-3 decades later. I don’t know of any example of that in the Bible.
Additionally, Scripture very clearly connects the trumpets of Numbers 10 to the Day of The Lord. The 7th trumpet has no such connection. In fact, nothing happens on Earth at the 7th trumpet. No plague, no war, no supernatural punishment from The Lord God. So I do not see how it could be the “trump” referred to in Joel, Zephaniah, etc. The Numbers 10 trumpet on the other hand, fits it perfectly. God bless you abundantly. -B&E
B and E and Michael
Num 10:10 Also in the day of your gladness (Jubilee?), and in your solemn days (Most are Full Moon), and in the beginnings of your months (New Moons), ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.
Thn go to TSK Cross refernces until you come to New Moon and in/on a solemn Feast days
Psalm 81:3 has new moon, full moon (Appointed time/day) and solemn Feast day.,
Then Prov 7:20 (Apponted time/day= Full Moon. Then Matt 24:31. Sound of the Trumpet. Look at SOUND. (Blow the Trumpet).
Solemn Feast Days: Tu B’ Shevat (Full Moon); Purim (FM). Passover (FM) Pentecost, Tu B’ Av (Full Moon), Day of Trumpet, Day of Atonement, FEast of Tabernacles, and New Moons.
Psa 81:3 Blow up (SOUND) the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed (FULL MOON), on our solemn feast day. Pro 7:20 He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed (FULL MOON). Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great (SOUND) of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Psalms 117:1 (5777) 7=completion
(Title), This Psalm, the shortest in the whole collection, is written as a part of the preceding in thirty-two manuscripts. It celebrates the deliverance from the Babylonian captivity, the grand type of the redemption of the world by the Messiah. 5777 (FEAST of Tabernacle 1 (FULL MOON), 2017. Psa 118:5 I called upon the LORD in distress: the LORD answered me, and set me in a large place. Nisan 1, 5778 2018. (8= a new beginning). So Feast of Tabernacles to Nisan 1 in the year of Jubilee is the watch days on a New Moon or Full Moon PURIM is March 1 (Confirmation # 3 February, 2018 Dream).
Rapture Party with axial poleshift (Rev 6:12-17; Isa 24:1) near 27th of Gregorian Calendar or Julian Calendar. NM time 11 am (Confirmation 1 in right ear in December prior to Chanukkah) Hopi Blue star shows up 2 days out from the rapture. Nibiru (Hopi Red star). 6 PM Tokyo (Confirmation 2 4 hours later in right ear in December) 8 PM Israel.
Times may change from AM to PM. Got confused from Dream 2 in December.
Nasan 1 is final day for rapture party. Watch for a Monday announcement. (Confirmation #1 2x) and 27 would be Hopi Blue Star.
Psalm 81:3 new moon for Trumpet Judgment 1 and then Full Moon for Trumpet Judgment 2, etc for 7 months of chaos. 5.5 months (Pentecost to Day of Trumpet) of Chaos is 12 days apart for each judgment.
Lk 24:44 What is in Psalms concerning Jesus will be fulfilled. Study Law, Psalms and Prophets for Day of the Lord.
Hopi Red Star shows up 2 days out from Trumpet Judgment 1 (March 17) or Bowl JUdgment 1 near Pentecost.
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How’d that work out?
August 18 ended up with Moon over Jupiter Friday eveing/night which is a reference to Day of Trumpet (Oct 10) Second Advent. Armageddon on Oct 20th, and the Millennium on Oct 25th, 2018. and Fiji had a 7.9 earthquake. I am hoping someone will post a cross in the corona of the Sun or an angel with wings in the corona of the Sun. But I am happy for the out come no matter what happens. August 21, 23, and 26 are watch dates for anything in the Heavens to happen. If not then that is fine too. August 21, the Moon is near Saturn, the Covenants which refers all the Covenants in the Tenkah to be fulfilled October 25th when the Messianic Kingdom begins. Mars (Red PLanet/Blood) on 23 will give the forecast of blood being spilled into overdrive from here forwards. Full Moon on the 26th may have a cross or angel with wings anomoly in the Sun or a cloud cross of white that day with the full moon at the center. These are the events I watch for.
Why would there be a cross or angel in the sun?
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Revelation has 3 time frames based on Day of Trumpet to Day of Atonement. Rev. 2:10 has 10 days of Tribulation which can be 10 years for the Middle East (2007-2017) and then 1 year or less from Day of Trumpet to Day of Atonement for Day of the Lord. Joel 2:15 is Day of Atonement and Joel 2:1 is Day of the Lord. So the New year in a Year of Jubilee begins on the Day of Atonement (Lev 25:9-10). Then 10 days from Day of Trumpet (Second Coming) to Day of Atonement (Marriage of the Groom and Bride and Armageddon; Psalm 118:10-13). Then 5 days of grace and then Millennium begins on Feast of Tabernacles (Psalm 118:15).
Rapture is Psalms 118:5 with 5.5 to 7 months of judgments. Each Day of Trumpet has Signs in the Sun, Moon, and Stars (2007 on the Special Sabbath of Days of Awe). 2017 on both the Rabbinic Day of Trumpet and Biblical Day of TRumpet (SEpt 23rd Rev 12:1 sign on the Special Sabbath of Days of Awe).
Sept 30th 2017 Day of Atonement was when the Jubilee year began and it was the 120th Jubilee from Creation, the 70th from 1401-1406 BCE on Crossing th Jordan and the 40th from Yeshua’s death on the Cross and His first coming.
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If the rapture is 40 days from Armageddon which it can be, then the Trumpet judgments are poured out at one every 4 to 5 days apart.
Thus all the traditions regarding the month of Tishri being the New Year and its many rituals were added traditions and found nowhere in the Bible. [B&E: Even some of our ministry’s articles reflecting this had to be revised. And we apologize for our doctrinal error.]
Error: Creation week either began October 8th 3986 BCE (Torahcalendar prior to changeout in 2015) or October 23rd, 4004 BCE (Answer in Genesis–Ussher). So Tishrei was the first month until the Exodus of Exodus 12 when Abib became the first month. So the argument is that the 8th month (a new beginning) with Usher may have been the first month or Tishrei meaning Completion may have been the first month.
Noah’s Flood (Genesis 6-8) was 2nd month and 10 day for going into the Ark and the Flood began on the 17th Day (Nov. 2). +40 days and 40 nights = Chanukkah 1 (Conception of Jesus) + 170 Days = Feast of First Fruits (Resurrection of Jesus) + 40 Days = Jesus Ascension +7 days = Sivan and PENTECOST, +40 days = Peter and th Sheet and then 2 more 7’s (Paul’s Conversion) and then first Day of the first month (Yom Teruah (Genesis 8:??). This is explained in detail along with an axial poleshift that year.
His Second Coming directly by The Lord Jesus Christ on their precise days rather than at the beginning of the Great Tribulation 7 years before His return.
Where in the Bible does it state 7 days of tribulation? Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days (Days of Awe in Leviticus 23 from Day of Trumpet to Day of Atonement): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Where do we pick up the first mention of the word “Tribulation” in Revelation?
Numbers 14:34 where a day = a year; Ezekiel 4:6 where a day = a year. Other places: Deu 24:5 When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war (Armageddon), neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year (NOT SEVEN YEARS), and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.
Isa 34:8, 61:1-2; 63:4= Day = year. Jhn 6:39, 40, 44, 54 where last day = last year. Psalm 117= 1 year (5777); Psalms 118= 1 year; Psalms 119= 1000 years plus 6 before that. Psalms 120 to end is past tense.
Psalms 118:5 = Rapture. Psalms 118:10-13 is Ezekiel 38 -39 War which can be a 10 day war and is NOT 7 years later but is in the same year. Psalms 118:15 is the WORD Tabernacles and is Feast of Tabernacles in the Same year.
So if we have 7 places where day = 1 year then can you show me just one verse that says tribulation seven days?
When Israel sounds the trump of alarm in the end times it will truly be the “last trump” for the church – as we will be raptured to Heaven to be with The Lord.
Did the War of Gog and Magog Begin on Saturday? Sebat 25th Sabbath 25th on Sabbath.
Read more at https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/category/biblical-news/#dakVSF5HKjGCZc7R.99
11th month and 25th Day was the Sabbath and I look for alarm on God’s days.
A Vision of a Horseman
Zec 1:7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying,
Zec 1:8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white.
Colors of the Muslim nations circling Israel.
Israel is fighting a five-front war
Israel appears to be enjoying a quiet period, but below the radar, Israel is engaged in a covert war on five fronts. Yochanan Vissar, 04/02/18
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/241541
Psalm 83 Players separated and combined = 5 different Fronts.
WWIII begins in Iraq and Psalm 83 War has Day of the Lord in it along with Rev Chapter 9 and this becomes a nuclear war after the rapture and ends on the Day of TRumpet and then comes the Ezekiel 38-39 War which is a ten day war and ends on the Day of Atonement with Marriage of the Groom and Bride and Armageddon.
All the players are together now for the Gog-Magog War and not 7 years from now.
2 Samuel 22 later became Psalm 18 =1918.
All throughout Psalms 18, you read the book of Revelation.
Battle of Haifa Sept 19-25, 1918, Israel duriing Feast of Tabernacles. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Haifa_(1918) End of WWI.
The Battle of Haifa was fought on 23 September 1918 towards the end of the Battle of Sharon which together with the Battle of Nablus formed the set piece Battle of Megiddo fought between 19 and 25 September during the last months of the Sinai and Palestine Campaign of the First World War (WWI).
And 100 years later on Sept 19th, 2018, we have the Battle of Megiddo (Armageddon) at WWIII.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5150649/Amid-warnings-Trump-forges-ahead-Jerusalem-capital.html
The players are all together and ready to go with the Psalms 83 War which the main players are Islam nations surrounding Israel. Bill Salus does a great job on the Psalms 83 War. He says there are 5 end times wars. Damascus War, Euphrates River War, Psalms 83 War and Ezekiel 38-39 War are 4 that I can remember.
During the Psalm 83 War, the Euphrates River War can occur. The Euphrates river war is important because it will help out with the kings of the East coming over to fight in the Ezekiel 38/39 War which ends with Armageddon (Battle of Megiddo) at the Valley of Decision/Jehoshaphat which ties to Psalms 118:10-13.
Sept 23rd 1918 +99 years = Sept 23rd Revelation 12:1 sign. Large HINT, Folks.
I haven’t read the post above, and hope to soon, but this thought accourred to me as I was skimming it over – “I wonder if the last Trump which is spoken of in Paul’s letter to the Thessalonian believers is in anyway connected to something happening to or around President Trump.
I find it a curious coincidence (and that is all it may be) between the name of this present US President and the passage in 1 Thessalonians 4, given all that is happening at this most momentous time in human history.
“The mystery of God was that salvation would come to the Gentiles and then the Jewish remnant in the end times.”
The mystery of God is the unprophesied “new creature” kept secret from the beginning of the world and revealed to Paul alone. The “end times” or “last days” will begin after the translation of the church. We ain’t in them yet. God is still exhibiting His longsuffering grace to a horribly fallen world; thank you Father.
Peter speaks of things prophesied from the beginning of the world. Let the words of the KJB say what they mean and mean what they say.
Acts 3:19-21… “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath SPOKEN by the mouth of all his holy prophets SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN.”
Paul speaks of things hidden from prophesy, things NOT spoken, kept secret since the world began.
Romans 16:25-27… “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY GOSPEL, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY, which was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.”
1 Cor 2:6-8… “Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a MYSTERY, even the HIDDEN WISDOM, which God ordained BEFORE THE WORLD unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”
Had satan known the “mystery” he never would have entered into Judas in order that Christ be crucified and we would not have been saved by the gospel of grace given to Paul.
Comprehending the fundamental differences between what God spoke through Paul and what He spoke through Peter is absolutely critical to understanding the Bible as a whole. Study very carefully the whole of Galatians chapters 1 and 2. Here is just a piece for brevity’s sake.
Gal 2:7-9… “But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”
The gospel OF the circumcision. The gospel OF the uncircumcision. Circumcision is as different from uncircumcision as steak is from green beans. Things that are different cannot be the same. Peter was given good news for Israel which they promptly ignored. Paul was given good news for the whole world which most of it promptly ignores.
There is no “Israel” from Gods perspective today. There is neither Jew nor Greek, bond or free, male or female… the saved are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28). All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom 3). What man established in 1948 in the middle east as Israel is a satanic counterfeit. One day the anti-christ will declare himself to be god in a temple constructed there and “israel” will introduce him to the world as “god”. The saved will have already heard the unprophesied “last trump” which calls us home (nowhere inside the prophetic book of Revelation) and then anti-christ will be revealed. I don’t believe there is a way to know what this “last trump” actually is since it occurs in unprophesied times; other than to know for certain that (at least) the saved will hear it and will be gone from here in the blink of an eye (1 Thes 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:51-53).
You write: “When Israel sounds the trump of alarm in the end times it will truly be the “last trump” for the church…”
Not accurate. The Lord Himself shall sound the “alarm”. It is Gods trump which calls the body home. How can a currently fallen and disgraced Israel sound a trump for a church in Jesus Christ which it hates above all things? I agree it will be the “last trump” for the church which is His body. It may also be the only trump from God we ever hear (and the Donald has zero to do with it).
1 Thes 4:16… “For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”
Jesus Christ Himself descends from heaven with that trump.
Indeed, “prophesy” is not being fulfilled today, nor has it been for the past 2,000 years. The prophetic time clock was stopped by God at Daniel’s 69’th week with the introduction of Paul and the message (gospel) of grace and peace to the entire world. We don’t need to go through Israel for salvation today AS WAS PROPHESIED in Genesis 12:1-3. After the “rapture” (I don’t particularly like using that word) the clock will begin once again and any who are “left behind” will once again be under the Gen 12 prophetic program.
We live in “no testament/no covenant” times as hard as that may be to at first wrap the mind around.
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Grace and peace from God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. Paul opens his every epistle with forms of these words. They are not simply a kind Christian greeting. They are an official proclamation from God to the world at large. The saved are ambassadors of this grace and peace (2 Cor 5:17-21). Judgement, wrath and war will come soon enough. Redeem the time for the days are evil.
Eph 5:14-17… “Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.”
1 Tim 2:3-4… “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,
gracecountrypastor, I like much of what you have to say. Amen
Can you tell me if all these passages refer to the same event?
Isa 2:19
Isa 13:6-11
Joel 2:30-31
Luke 21:25-26
Rev 6:12-17
Matt 24:29
Mark 13:24-25
If so, what are the implications of it?
If not, why?
Thanks
Glory be to Jesus Christ
All these passages refer to the day of great wrath when God is no longer longsuffering with this fallen world, as He currently is. There will come a day when God says ENOUGH!!!
That time is not yet come. We are still breathing. It does not come slowly, with a little wrath here and a little wrath there as many today believe. It just comes. It comes post rapture. See that Bible chart above… it’s like 100 years of Bible study all wrapped up in one picture!
What is written in all of these passages is the subject of prophesy. It is wise to understand these things. Prophesy however, has nothing to do with the church which is His body. His body (literally, His physical body – we are His spiritual body) has already had the wrath of God poured out upon it. IT IS FINISHED. There is no need for God to do it again.
Paul writes of “that day” to comfort us…
1 Thes 5:1-11… “But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have NO NEED that I write unto you. For yourselves KNOW PERFECTLY that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (this is what happens to the world “left behind” – the verses you quote above) BUT YE, brethren, are NOT in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. YE ARE ALL the children of light, and the children of the day: we are NOT of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. (Paul does exhort us to watch…) For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. (read carefully…) For God hath NOT appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
Christ died in our stead. He took our place on the cross where we belong to hang. Sin is ours, not His, yet He paid the price! Accept the most gracious gift God ever offered man, free grace, and be saved!
Rom 3:20-26… “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. BUT NOW the righteousness of God WITHOUT the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto ALL and upon ALL them that believe: for there is no difference: For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified FREELY by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, AND the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
WOW…!!!
The words “BUT NOW” denote a change, do they not? Something once was, but now, it is something else… I felt like chocolate, but now I want vanilla. (Yes, I’m a heretic I know.) This is MONUMENTAL and next to no one sees it. I wonder why? I’ll let Paul tell ya…
2 Cor 4:3-4… “But if OUR GOSPEL be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
“Our” gospel, “my” gospel… The gospel of Christ is NOT the gospel of the Kingdom as preached in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, it is NOT the everlasting gospel as preached by an angel in Rev 14:6, it is NOT the gospel unto Abraham mentioned in Gal 3:8 originally provided in Gen 12… all these are defined as separate and distinct by the verses surrounding them.
The gospel of Christ is 1 Cor 15:1-4, Romans 4:25, 5:8, Eph 2:8-9. This tremendously good news is NOT found anywhere BUT in Paul’s epistles. If you can find it, please show me! Always remembering to let the words say what they mean and mean what they say.
In 1535 Miles Coverdale wrote: “Again it shall greatly help thee to understand scripture, if thou mark, not only what is spoken or written, but of whom, and unto whom, with what words, at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goeth before and what followeth after.”
Seriously…
We are NOT appointed unto this great and terrible day of wrath. It is NOT for us. Indeed, what are the implications of this? Something else MUST be going on. That wrath should have come back in early Acts if the prophets are to be believed. Unless something was hidden from them… It is the mystery revealed to Paul. Please learn of it.
Eph 3:9… “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been HID IN GOD, who created all things by Jesus Christ:”
You ar not going through the wrath, really. 95 percent of humanity will go through the wrath including you pastor. If you just teach one lie and you teach 13 lies, then you will go through th wrath.
Noah’s flood 200 million to 4 billion died and 8 surivived. Less then one percent and those 8 were in the Book of Life. Sodom and Gomorrah: 5 plain cities and 1,250,000 died during Passover Week and only 3 survived. Two were bad apples and only one written in the Book of Life (Lot). Few is the word. Little, small, remnant. The road is broad and wide to the lake of fire and brimstone (Book of Luke Warm and Book of Death), but the road to heaven in narrow and only a FEW find it. Exodus 2 adults and all those under the age of knowing right from wrong. Out of 3,500,000 and only 2000 went in. So in the Book of lIfe is 1 percent of humanity.
Book of Death: Tithe: 10 percent to Go and 90 percent you take home. So 90 percent of humanity burn’s in the lake of fire and brimstone.
Book of Luke warm. Revelation has 7 churches and 4 of them are luke-warm. Your church is a part of these 4. So 1/2 to Messianic Kingdom and 1/2 to lake of fire and brimstone. (Matt 24:37-42; Matt 25:1-14).
In other words, the front row of your church gets raptured and the rest go through the Trumpet and Bowl Judgemnts of Rvelation and you are their pastor so you go through th judgmnts as well.
Losers go through the judgments of Revelation and winners go into the Messianic kingdom because they are overcomers and over achievers.
Psalms is 19 books from Genesis and 47 books from Revelation (Hint: 1947 CE) Psalms 1= year 1901.
Book I includes Psalm 1-41; Book II, Psalm 42-72; Book III, Psalm 73-89; Book IV, Psalm 90-106; Book V, Psalm 107-150.
Eschatological Psalms are: 1=1901,2, 7-10, 17-18 (1917-1918 (Israel)), 22-24, 27, 30, 40, 45-48 (1945-1948 (Israel)), 50, 52 (Israel greening up), 67 (1967-6th Day War in Israel), 72, 76, 81, 82, 83, 96-98, 100, 102, 107 (10 year Tribulation began; Rev 2:10), 108, 109 (2009―The Antichrist (Obama)),110-116(2010-2016), 117-118 (2017-2018/5777-5778/rapture/2nd Coming), 119 (Feast of Tabernacles/Messianic Kingdom/Millennium; 5778/5779).
That made zero sense
Darren Psalms 17 refers to Battle of Jerusalem in 1917. Psalms 18 has the book of Revelation in it and it refers to the end of WWI and the Sinai Penninsula Campaign that occurred at the Battle of Megiddo between Sept 19th to 25th. Add 100 years and you get the Battle of Armageddon on the Rabbinic Day of Atonement, Sept 19th, 2018 but God follows the Biblical Calendar so it is one month off so Armageddon is Oct. 20th, 2018. Every Psalm on the lists refers to the book of Revelation in some format or Leviticus 23 in all of them. because that is God’s timeline. Major years for Israel was 1945-1948 like May 14th, when Israel signed the dotted line at midnight 1 day prior to Pentecost on May 15th or 16th. May 14, 2018 +120 days = Sept 11th Rapture with Axial poleshift that week with a 3.0-12.0 earthquake globally.
Revelation has 3 time frames. Revelation 2:10. You will have ten days of tribulation from Day of Trumpet to Day of Atonement. These 10 days can be ten years of tribulation (Numbrs and Ezekiel). Then one year from Day of Trumpet to Day of Atonement (Rv 12:1 sign on Sept 23rd, 2017) to Sept 19th, 2018. Then 10 days from Day of Trumpet to Day of Atonement (Marriage of the Groom and Bride and Armageddon). Passover is just around the corner for the wrath of God. Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed during Passover Week. Jesus rose during Passover week. He rose on the Feast of First Fruits Sabbath and you may rise on Feast of First fruits Sabbath (Enoch chapter 60). However, yu may rise on the New Moon at the end of the month of Adar (fire) which is March 17 (Psalm 81:3) and Prov 7:20 (full moon) which lines up with Passover (March 31, 2018).
… “But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have NO NEED that I write unto you. For yourselves KNOW PERFECTLY that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Seasons here refers to Leviticus 23 Feasts of the Lord. Seasons here is the same seasons as in Genesis 1:14. Days in Genesis 1:14 refers to Jewish major and minor days and years refers to the Sheimitah and Jubilee years.
In my research Passover, Pentecost, and Fall Feasts appear throughout Biblical History and the Bible in many forms like the early and late ripening of the fig leaves and figs. So in the gospels, Jesus is refering to the fig at the Barley harvest (Passover) or Pentecost (Summer). So Passover week may be a rapture watch as well as Pentecost and of course the Fall Feasts as well as New Moons.
Obama received the proclamation on Covenant of Many on the 7th day of Feast of Tabernacles and received the Norwegian Peace Medallion on the 9th month and 24th day.
Jesus was at the winter at Chanukkah on the 9th month and 24th day of Haggai 2.
He was conceived on the 9th month and 24th day or the 9th month and 25th day (Kislev 25th, Dec 15th) on th last Sabbath of the month of Kislev.
So the Day of the Lord began on the Rabbinic Day of Trumpet on Sept 20th, 2017 and reconfirmed on the Biblical Day of Trumpet (Sept 23rd, 2017 on the Special Sabbath of Days of Awe). The Tribulation in 2007 began in the Special Sabbath of Days of Awe with a Sign in the Sun, Moon, and Stars in Leo. It ended on the Day of Atonement in 2017 when the Day of the Lord Sign 3 began which was the 120 Jubilee year from Creation, the 70th from 1441-1446 BCE and the 40th from Yeshua’s Death.
Now we wait for the rapture and the Trumpet and Bowl Judgments which begin on the New Moon following the rapture on the Full Moon (March 31) or they begin on the full moon following the rapture on the New Moon (March 17).
Psalm 81:3 is what we follow from here on out. New Moon, Full Moon, New Moon, Full Moon, etc. Break on Pentecost. Then the Bowl Judgmnts come in for 3 months on New Moon, Full Moon, New Moon, Full Moon.
Watch for Hopi Blue star over the Northern Hemisphere because your redemption draweth neigh when th Hopi Blue Star and Red star shows up (Nibiru and its planets with it).
We are now into August so Rabbinic Day of Trumpet is the next watch day for the rapture. Trumpet judgments would be poured out every 4th day or 5th day until Oct 10th, Biblical Day of Trumpet.
One day the anti-christ will declare himself to be god in a temple constructed there and “israel” will introduce him to the world as “god”. The saved will have already heard the unprophesied “last trump” which calls us home (nowhere inside the prophetic book of Revelation) and then anti-christ will be revealed.
1947 Proclamation +62 Pentecosts = 2009 (Psalm 109).
Psalm 109 sets the table for what is to follow. It starts by the plea for the appointment of an Evil One, the accuser, or one to oppose. This is in verse 6 of Psalm 109. But there is also another section of Psalm 109 that is striking. These are verses 21 -31. Here the cry turns to the Lord to save the one who is poor and needy, the one who’s heart is wounded, and fading away. In verses 26 and 27, the Psalmist cries out help me, O Lord, my God; save me in accordance with your love. Let them know that it is your hand, that you, O Lord, have done it.
Obama as king.
Psalm 47=1947
Psa 47:9 The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted.
1947 Proclamation of Israel
1947 CE Nov. 29, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for Palestine to be partitioned between Arabs and Jews; Dead Sea Scrolls discovered. Parallel dates: Abraham was born in 1948 BCE. From 1494 until 1949 there were ZERO sets of blood Red Moons! Proclamation for Israel to become a nation went out. Isa 66:7-16.
1947+62 Pentecosts/Weeks = 2009 (Psalm 109).
Obama once was President, but now he’s “ COMING BACK “ just as REVELATION 17:10-11 says)! Obama was the 44th President of the U.S. on January 20/21, 2009 just as there were 44 Kings of Israel, and also the 6th King of Revelation 17 who will become the 8th King. But also, 9 Months later on October 9, 2009 (7th Day of Feast of tabernacles) Obama was “ chosen “ to win the Nobel “ PEACE “ prize and to receive it in Oslo, Norway on Dec. 10, 2009 (9th month and 24th day-Haggai 2/Chanukkah 1) for his “Extraordinary efforts to Strengthen International Diplomacy and Cooperation between Peoples “(Covenant with Many-DANIEL 9:27). He was “ Chosen “ to be the Man of Peace/FALSE Prince of Peace to the World, just as Jesus Christ was “ Chosen/anointed by God “ to be the True Prince of Peace/” Messiah “/Savior to the World. Yes, Obama came in “ Peaceably as the Biblical Antichrist/ FALSE Messiah just as Jesus came in Peaceably as a Baby. Think on this: It usually takes “ 9 months “ for a Baby to be born, now compare Obama to this: Obama became President “ 9 months “ before he received the “ PEACE “prize!!! (Oct.9,2009 “ Birth of the Antichrist?)
BUT, on October 9, 2009, it was the 7th day of Tabernacles. TABERNACLES means to “ make your Dwelling Place “. And also, in 2012 Obama was Re-Elected on the 24th of Kislev, which was on “HANUKKAH Eve”. Hanukkah means “ The rededication of the Temple “. The True Temple, which is the Body who houses the Spirit of either Good or Evil. I personally believe that Satan has made his “ Dwelling place “ in Obama’s body, the Temple, also taking on his own name. The 7th Day of the Feast of Tabernacles is a Day that is Extremely Significant, it is the only Day of the year when the Jews proclaim,” Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord “. This would be the Day that the Jews excitingly await the coming of their Messiah. Remember, Jesus said in (MATTHEW 23:39 “ You will not see me again until you say Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord “.) So since Obama came in by False peace on the 7th Day of Tabernacles as the Biblical Antichrist, does that mean that the True Messiah/Jesus Christ will come to get his Bride and Obama the Antichrist will finally be revealed to the World for who he really is as his own counterfeit 2nd coming?
Help Me, O Lord My God
What does the Bible have to say about our current president,who coincidentally is named Trump?
Indeed, “prophesy” is not being fulfilled today, nor has it been for the past 2,000 years.
It rebegan in 1945 and especially in 1947 (Psalms 47) and is going strong since then. Since, 1947, ovr 80 prophecies have already been fulfilled and there will be 300-400 during the Day of the Lord which began on the Rabbinic Day of Trumpet and ends 1000 years from now. You teach it begins at the rapture but Leviticus 23 overrules because the Fall Feasts have not been fulfilled and they go from Day of Trumpet to Day of Atonement (Rv 16/19) for most of Rvelation and then the millennium (20-21). The 8th Day is a New Heaven and a New Earth.
Rev 2:10 has 10 days of Tribulation from Day of Trumpet with a Sign in Leo and this can be 10 years of Tribulation, then one year from Day of TRumpet to Day of Atonement (Marriage of th Groom and Bride and Armageddon (Rev 16/19) and then ten days from Day of Trumpet to Day of Atonement and then 5 days of grace and then the Millennium begins on Feast of Tabernacles day 1 and goes for 1000 years.
grace country pastor
The ‘mystery’ you speak of is both ‘salvation’ and the ‘new creature’ in Christ. Salvation is the Lord Christ Himself as Psalm 27:1, Psalm 62:2, 6 say and elsewhere One cannot be a new creature in Christ without tasting of that salvation which is in Him alone. One cannot have salvation unless they become a new creature in Christ. The two terms and their realities are compatible and cannot be separated. Salvation has to be do with being born from above. And being born from above is being made a new creation in Christ. Do you see that?
You say that we are not yet in the last days.
There are at least four (4) references to the “last days” already having begun in the days of the apostles of Christ.
Acts 2:17 – Peter says that what the people were witnessing then and there was what Joel had prophesied would happen in the “Last Days”.
2 Tim 3:1 – 9 – Paul in writing to Timothy prophesies of grievous times, corrupt men (a long list) having a form of godliness but denying the power of it, and other things in the ‘last days’. Such was present in their time and has been present in more recent times and of course is increasing today.
Paul says in another place that after his departure men will infiltrate from without and rise up from within to destroy and get disciples for themselves from among you – Acts 20:29. After his departure means soon aftr he dies. The Last Days had already begun.
Perhaps you have forgotten thesse words – “in these last days He spoke to us in the Son, whom He appointed heir of all; through whom He indeed made the ages;” Heb 1:2. The Last Days had begun when Christ came.
Peter says – “first, knowing this, that during the last days scoffers will come walking according to their own lusts,” 1 Pe 3:3. The context implies that Peter was including his time, but even if not, we know very well that this condition is very prevalent today.
CONCLUSION: We are already in the Last Days. Unless there are two sets of last days. (?)
While I do not pretend to know the exact timing of events concerning expectant believers being caught up to meet the Lord in the air, in principle I agree with you about those things.
I think there is often confusion with seeing the natural things worked out in Israel’s continuing existence and the spiritual realm concerniing those who are ransomed with Jesus Christ’s blood and have entered into Christ and are abiding in Him and His word.
I do believe that the natural events concerning Israel – the children of Jacob, shadow the spiritual events concerning the “many brothers” that follow hard after Jesus Christ, and that those things do precipitate – precede things in the spiritual realm, according to God’s timetable – NOT man’s.
You quote from Gal 2:7-9… and comment saying “The gospel OF the circumcision. The gospel OF the uncircumcision. Circumcision is as different from uncircumcision as steak is from green beans. Things that are different cannot be the same. Peter was given good news for Israel which they promptly ignored. Paul was given good news for the whole world which most of it promptly ignores.”
I am not sure if you mean that : a) the content is different in each ‘gospel’; or b) the audience that is different, but they preach the same gospel? If the latter then I can agree. But if the former, and there are some folk who believe that, then I refute the former notion with these comments.
Facts: 1. Both apostles preached Jesus Christ. 2. Both apostles preached the gospel of the kingdom of God. 3. Paul only preached what Christ gave him and what Christ worked in him.
4. Paul shared with the apostles in Jerusalem the things that he had been preaching till that time (some years). Paul spent 15 days with Peter. There is no doubt that Paul also shared the same with Peter, they weren’t talking football and playing pool.
There is nothing in Paul’s preaching or letters that conflict with Peter, and there is nothing in Peter’s letters that conflict with Paul. And this is true with Luke, Mark, and all the other apostles.
1. The word gospel simply means – GOOD NEWS. Jesus Christ Himself is tthe good news, in the same way as God is revealed as our Salvation (Psa 27:1; Ex 15:2; Psa 62:2, 6, (and in other places as well), and not just only that He works salvation for mankind.
2. Paul says that the gospel is the POWER OF GOD unto salvation. The goodnews is the very power of God unto salvation to EVERYONE who believes – first to the JEW, then to the Gentile.
“for it is the power of God to salvation to everyone believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek;” Rom 1:16. This saying alone shows that what both apostles preached was the same message.
3. Paul only preached what he received from Christ and what Christ had worked in him?
4, Through the book of Acts and in Paul’s letters, the word ‘gospel’ is used in various ways and is also synonymous with other phrases:
a) the gospel of Jesus Christ; b) it is the gospel of the kingdom of God; c) it is the gospel of grace (grace to you too and me); d) it is the gospel of peace.
This gospel is the gospel that Philip preached and Stephen preached, and that Ananias preached to Saui of Tarsus; it is the gospel that Jesus Christ preached. It is the evelasting gospel that will be preached by the angel of Rev 14:6.
Luke in Acts, uses the word gospel in conjunction with phrases like the Word, Jesus, the things concerning the kingdom of God, and so forth.
Paul says it is “my gospel” and “our gospel”. And this ‘our’ in “our gospel” includes Peter too.
Paul and Peter. Paul was not sent to baptize but he did baptize some believers. And this was not disobedience on Paul’s part; he had freedom to do so (Matt 28), but his main thrust was to preach and he did preach about water baptism too – you can see that in Ronmans’ 6 and elsewhere.
Paul though sent to the Gentiles, did preach for some time to Jews – Israelites, both at the beginning of his service for Christ, in the middle and at the end, while under house arrest (Acts 28)
Likewise, Peter did preach to Gentiles, at least on two occasions, not just to Jews – Israelites. Neither Paul nor Peter changed their mesage to suit their audience. They preached the same Gospel of Christ. For neither Christ nor His message is divided.
You speak about Paul using the blessing of “grace and peace” to Gentiles. Peter opens both his letters with the blessing of grace and peace be mutilplied to you, and closes them with a similar benediction. And in his seond letter he adds “by a full knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord.” Paul and Peter have the same blessings to pronounce on whoever the the brothers may be that they were writing to. Same – not different.
A full knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord must of necessity include all that Paul preached to both Jew and Gentile, unless one will say that Christ Himself has a different – distinct portion for Jews than He does for Gentiles. But such a notion is absolutely false.
The distinction is not about content but audience. Paul himself says that IN CHRIST (meaning whether you are a Jew or Gentile by natural birth) there is no Jew nor Gentile. Yet they remain Jew or Gentile as to their place in society Ther is no slave of freedman etiher, but whatever you were called in remain in that state (it is only temporal). It is only the inner man that has no such distinctions
Paul writes “Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you all say the same thing, and there be no divisions among you, but you be united in the same mind and in the same judgment.
For concerning you, my brothers, it was shown to me by those of Chloe that there are strifes among you.
But I say this, that each of you says, I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ.
Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?” 1 Cor 1:10-13.
Paul is addressing the Corinthian assembly. In that assembly spread across the city, there was a party spirit; and some were being partial towards one apostle in preference to the others. And yes, some were elevating Peter above the others. Foolishness. It is also foolishness to suppose that Paul and only Paul had the true gospel to the Gentiles.
Paul rebuked this foolishness.
It doesn’t matter who preaches (as long as they preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God), or who baptizes in water, or who prays for a healing, etc CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED – GET YOUR EYES OF THE VESSEL. – you are carnal – fleshly minded he tells them.
He says in this same letter: “For when one may say, Truly I am of Paul, and another, I of Apollos; are you not fleshly? What then is Paul? And what Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, and to each as the Lord gave? I planted, Apollos watered, but God made to grow.
So as neither he planting is anything, nor he watering, but God making to grow. So he planting and he watering are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
For of God we are fellow-workers, a field of God, and you are a building of God. According to God’s grace given to me, as a wise master builder, I laid a foundation, but another builds on it. But let each one be careful how he builds. For no one is able to lay any other foundation beside the One having been laid, who is Jesus Christ.” 1 Cor 3:4-11
Paul is saying we all preach the same message, about the same Jesus Christ, and about His kingdom, and it makes no difference who sows, who waters, it is GOD WHO GIVES the increase.
Paul says there is “ one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, the One above all and through all and in you all. But to each one of us was given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.” Eph 4:5-7.
There is but one gospel, yet many servants.
Jesus set a predcedent – an example for His disciples to follow. He says of Himself to a Gentile woman – I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Did this mean that He was forbidden to speak to any Gentile or forbiddne to go to any Gentile place?
We find Jesus actually going out of His way to visit Gentiles, and pouring out the Father’s love oin them, either locally in Judea or outside of Israel. It was what the Father wanted Him to do at the time. And this was the case with both Peter and Paul, They were free to go to others than those they were sent to.
Peace and grace be multiplied to you by a full knowledge of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. – (Peter).
As I re-read, I’d like to address these things as well.
“It is also foolishness to suppose that Paul and only Paul had the true gospel to the Gentiles. Paul rebuked this foolishness.”
Show me the scripture where Paul rebukes himself. I’ll show you mine.
Romans 11:13… “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:”
1 Cor 4:16… “Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.”
1 Cor 11:1… “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”
Why is Paul saying this? Is he an ego maniac? Does he have something against Peter? Is he the anti-christ as many believe? (Look it up. Search Paul, antichrist.) Or, as is the case, is he saying these things for better reasons?
Gal 1:6-9… “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you (that would be the lawkeeping Jews among others), and would pervert the gospel of Christ (free grace). But though we, or an angel from heaven (remind you of the everlasting gospel the angel actually does preach in Rev 14 – fear God, wrath is here?), preach any other gospel (perhaps, “he that is baptized shall be saved” as in Mark 16?) unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Another gospel… which is not another? What is Paul saying here? There are many gospels. One God. Many gospels.
“Jesus set a predcedent – an example for His disciples to follow. He says of Himself to a Gentile woman – I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Did this mean that He was forbidden to speak to any Gentile or forbiddne to go to any Gentile place?”
It means exactly what it says. I know, hard to believe. “He was not sent BUT unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. Wow. The Bible means what it says. He was sent to Israel.
John 1:11… “He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.”
Bigger problem than people think. But God had a solution, one He kept hidden 🙂
Christ also told the twelve NOT to go to the Gentiles. Is this the example you meant?
Mat 10:5-6… “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
What does God through Paul say about Christ’s (earthly) ministry versus Paul’s (heavenly)?
Rom 15:8… “Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:”
Rom 15:16… “That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.”
This is not me speaking, but scripture.
How does one reckon these verses if all things always remained the same and there is always and only a single bit of good news for everyone always? Again, Jesus/God does not change, but the ways in which He deals with people does. To miss this is to miss most of scripture.
“And this was the case with both Peter and Paul, They were free to go to others than those they were sent to.”
Really? Than Peter and Paul are both liars and the Bible is untrustworthy. Let God be true and every man a liar.
Gal 2:9… “And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”
Looks to me like Peter and the 11 agreed to go to the circumcision (Jews) and Paul and Barney equally agreed to go to the heathen (not Jews). Were they liars Ian?
“Paul only preached what he received from Christ and what Christ had worked in him?”
Um, yes.
Gal 1:11-12… “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
These were important points I though worthy to address. Thank you for hearing me out.
grace and peace, NOT judgement and war, from God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ to you all…
Quick simple note:
Peter preached Jesus Christ according to PROPHECY …as per OT.
Acts 3:21 KJV — Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Paul preached Jesus Christ according to the REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY…
Romans 16:25 KJV — Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Two different economies. It is true. Paul preaches the RISEN Lord Jesus Christ, and his doctrine was given him from the RISEN Lord himself.
Galatians 1:1 KJV — Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Galatians 1:11 KJV — But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 — For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
The gathering together of Grace believers aka the rapture is found only in Paul’s epistles. One must study the differences between the day of Christ, and the day of the Lord!
Blessings to all saints!
Paul, Peter, and Jesus preached the same thing but each in their own ways. But since Jesus is Lord and and He was present on Genesis day one and God does not change (Malchi 3) then what is found in the Law of Moses, Psalms, and Prophets goes until a new Heaven and a New earth for the next 1000 to 1003 years. Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. So if you want to understand Rvelation, your best bet is to understand the Law of Moses (Genesis to Deutronomy). Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Mal 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
You do realize that Jesus and the 12 preached to Jews only don’t you? The entire church in Jerusalem was Jewish. The only way for Gentiles to know God at that time was to become a proselyte.
Saul is saved in Acts 9 and listen to what the Lord told Ananias about Saul’s calling…
Acts 9:15 KJV — But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
His mission is different from the 12 Jewish apostles. The Lord Jesus raised him up to do a new thing. Ask yourself, why was Paul needed?
Blessings friend!
Blessings to you in Jesus our Lord bobbivilla
Are you a Jew, or are you a Gentile?
if a Gentile, and IF you are correct, then the words of Jesus have no releavance to you seeing He preached only to Jews, and Peter, James and John and jude, also have no relevance to you?
You can ignore all the commands of Jesus and all His teaching? Peter, James, Jude, John, you can ignore and they have no relevance to you? Such portions are only valid for Jews?
And so Pauls’ message is only vaild for gentiles? and NONE of it is relevant to any Jew?
I am a Gentile by natural birth. And I acccept as the gospel of Jesus Christ, what Jesus, Peter, and the others, and Paul preached as the gosple of Jesus Christ. It feeds my soul – all of it and it all glorifies Jesus my Lord and my God – just as Thomas the jewish apostle declared resurrection sunday.
Pilate made a sign for Jesus – Jesus of Nazareth – King of Jews. I accept Jesus as my King, even though I am not Jewish. He was and is the King of the Jews and He is my King too.
Why was Paul needed? God did not NEED him. God does not NEED anything in the strictest sense; but you probably mean in an informal sense. Paul was appointed, because God wanted to use him in a particualr way. And God did not tell me all the reasons why He chose Paul. So I do not know anymore than Paul says.
One vessel is used here and one vessel is used there. Why?
Hudson Taylor was sent to the Chinese people. Why was Hudson Taylor sent to China? Adoniram Judson was sent to Burma. Why? Because it pleased God to do so.
God raised Paul up to go to the Gentiles primarily. Why? Because it pleased God to do so. That is all I need to know, unless it is clearly spelled out why in Scripture otherwise..
Paul says that he was to be all things to all men and he could reach all people. There were some Jews who believed what Paul preached. They weren’t ALL closed minded – or were they?
Acts 28 shows that someJews believed what Paul had to say.
Acts 18 tells us that Aquilla and Priscilla were Jewish believers and they no doubt had great fellowship together sharing the same things about the Kingdom of God, in agreement and unity of the one faith, as they worked togetehr making tents if that is what they did.
They met in Corinth and the congregation was made up of Jews and Gentiles – “And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks”. 18:4
The NT uses the word Jews a lot. But this should not be read to mean that ALL Jews, every last one of them were all haters of the gospel that Paul preached.
The Church of the Living God – and Jesus is the Head, is founded on Jesus Christ, the apostles and prophets. This is what Paul tells us I am part of that building Though unworthy, I am part of that building, but only by the mercy and grace of God, and I use all the writings of Scripture as being needed for me to grow by in the knowledge of Jesus Christ; my soon coming King and Bridegroom.
But then I am a simple person adn not very well educated. I didn’t get to go to seminary like some folks.
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Even so – Come Lord Jesus
Good morning! Blessing to you as well! You write very well. Seminary or no. Am simple too, but the Lord teaches us.:)
As to your questions…
“Are you a Jew, or are you a Gentile?”
Am a Gentile in this world, but according to God, we live in his Grace economy today, and…Colossians 3:11 KJV — Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
This means I believe that when the Lord looks down from heaven, he sees either saved men by his grace in Christ or unsaved men.
Romans 3:22 KJV — Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 10:12 KJV — For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
This “NEW” thing God was doing in Acts, was through the apostle Paul. It is a new economy. It is the economy of God’s grace! Just like Noah built a boat, Abraham received the gospel of blessing, Moses and the Law, we now have God’s Grace given to us in Christ through Paul. In no wise would Noah had been saved without the boat, or Israelites with out the Law program thus no one can be saved today except for through the RISEN Lord Jesus Christ’s work on the cross, his burial and resurrection! 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
We read the entire book God has given us, but not all of it is directly written TO us. Rom. To Philemon are written for the Dispensation of the grace of God…:) We read the whole Bible but these books give us our instructions for today.
Rom. 9-11 explain the fall(which is temporary) of Israel and the opening of the door to Gentiles to come to God.
Though the words of Lord Jesus are lovely, he himself tells us to not regard him in the flesh any longer! For He is the RISEN LORD!
2 Corinthians 5:16 KJV — Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 — Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18— And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;…
The preaching of the cross according to the revelation of the mystery is God’s power to save us today!
1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV — For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
You said “He was and is the King of the Jews and He is my King too.”
He is so much more than King of the Jews…alas…
1 Timothy 1:17 KJV — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
AMEN!
Just like Ananias and Saphira explained it to Apollos… thus we explain it to other brethren in the love of Christ and for his glory.
Acts 18:24 KJV — And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25— This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. 26— And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly…
There is further revelation of this Mystery revealed, which one is our gathering together…aka…the rapture or as Paul calls it, according to the Greek… the “out-resurrection.”
Paul coined a new word for the Rapture, (Philippians 3.11, the “blessed hope” (Titus 2.13).
(taken from https://doctrine.org/the-rapture)
We are so lucky today, speaking of ALL men! For today all sinners can be accepted in the beloved!
Ephesians 1:6 KJV — To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
And he is building his Body for the heavenly places!
Ephesians 1:20 KJV — Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Ephesians 1:3 KJV — Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Ephesians 2:6 KJV — And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 3:20 KJV — For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Glory to God! May he bless your studies!
Grace and Peace to all brethren!
P.S. Excellent articles on Acts is free at…
http://www.mysteriousgrace.org
A Jew on mothers side and on fathers side I am from Ephraim and Manessah. I am also one of the 144,000 Jewish evangelists who stay after the rapture to evangelize for one month. Then I go to get beheaded in a Fema Camp or get set free on the Day of Trumpet.
A Jew on mother’s side and on fathers side from Ephraim and Manesseh. I am also one of the 144,000 Jewish evangelists who get to stay behind the rapture and either get beheaded in a Fema Camp or get set free on the Day of Trumpet.
Bobbi, I like Noah’s Flood timeline the best because it explains alot. The Flood began on Nov 2 + 40 days and 40 nights = Chanukkah 1 (Conception of Jesus the Messiah) + 170 days = Feast of First Fruits Reseurrection + 40 days = Ascension of the Messiah + more days =Pentecost+ more days = Peter and the Sheet + more days = Paul’s coversion to the Gentiles + the first month and 1st day of the Month is the Second Advent of the Messiah on the Biblical Day of Trumpet on Oct 10th, 2018.
“A full knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord must of necessity include all that Paul preached to both Jew and Gentile, unless one will say that Christ Himself has a different – distinct portion for Jews than He does for Gentiles. But such a notion is absolutely false.”
Paul did preach to both groups AND God had a different and distinct portion (message) to each. You need to begin to study your King James Bible and not the doctrine you are bathed in. I don’t mean for that to sound rude, but short and true. Christ ABSOLUTELY has a distinct portion for the Jews (they are His earthly people – 95% of the Bible, or prophesy is in regards to this) and for the church the body of Christ (we are His heavenly people – Paul’s epistles, 5% of the Bible, the first 6 to both Jew and Gentile, Ephesians on to Gentiles alone). Both the earth and the heaven are fallen and both need to be redeemed back to God. God has a plan for both in Christ Jesus.
The mystery is far more that you have been made aware.
1 Corinthians 12:5-6… “And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.”
To Paul alone was given the dispensation of grace just as to Peter was given the keys to the Kingdom come from above to the earth (Rev 21).
1 Cor 9:17… “For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.”
Read Ephesians 3.
Very simply put, Peter and all the Jews plus those Gentiles which followed them, were zealous of the law. Paul said we are not under the law but under grace. How in the world is it possible that both preached the same message from Jesus if both these things are true, and they are? There are multiple gospels in the Bible as you yourself testify. They are hardly all the same. One, the gospel of the Kingdom says that they who endure to the end will be saved and that signs and wonders will follow them. This would be directed to the Jews as they require signs and wonders. Can you raise the dead, heal the sick, drink any deadly thing? The Jews could. They needed to be able to because they are destined for the great tribulation. Another gospel says that simple faith in the shed blood of Jesus is a once and for all payment for the forgiveness of sin. That would be for men today. We are not appointed unto wrath. We don’t look forward to enduring the great tribulation. We look forward to the “rapture”. We walk by faith and not by the sight of signs and wonders.
“Likewise, Peter did preach to Gentiles, at least on two occasions, not just to Jews – Israelites. Neither Paul nor Peter changed their mesage to suit their audience. They preached the same Gospel of Christ. For neither Christ nor His message is divided.”
Look more carefully at what each man preached to their respective audience. They did preach the same Jesus, but they preached FAR different messages because God has different purposes for the different groups of people… the nation Israel is prophesied to rule the world from the capitol Jerusalem at some point in the future. The body of Christ, as Paul demonstrates in Ephesians, is destined for the heavenly places.
“Acts 2:17 – Peter says that what the people were witnessing then and there was what Joel had prophesied would happen in the “Last Days”.”
Absolutely correct. That’s where the mystery (which is still a mystery to you – let’s change that!) comes in. God put a stop to the prophetic time clock, and unless you want to render the book of Daniel meaningless, the last days were not to last 2,000+ years after they began. They are to last 7 years. Since you claim these verses in Acts 2, do you also claim these?
Acts 2:38… “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Yes, you do. Peter WAS sent to baptize with water. It is a SIGN. (Why was Christ baptized? Did He have sins that needed remittance? Of course not, He is God. Water baptism is a sign.)
If Peter and Paul were sent with the same gospel, why then does Paul say…
1 Cor 1:17… “For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.”
Paul, as you write, says there is ONE baptism, and it ain’t a wet one as Israel’s was. It is a spiritual baptism.
Mark says that amazing abilities shall be given to those that are believe and baptized, and by the way, that is how men are to be saved (another gospel).
Mark 16:16-18… “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”
Is this how men are saved today, by baptism? Lot’s believe it to be so. The signs were real. They also ended, yet deluded people claim them. What’s going on? They will begin again some future day.
Paul glories in the cross!
Galatians 6:14… “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.”
Peter preaches the cross a murder indictment in the same chapter of Acts.
Acts 2:22-24… “Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.”
When does national Israel receive its atonement? See more of early Acts.
Acts 3:19-21… “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
Sins “blotted out” as opposed from remitted (when?) when the times of refreshing shall come (and when is that?) when the Lord is once again present (why?) because the heaven has received Him up right now and He’s not here. National Israel only receives atonement when Christ return to sit on the throne… the times of the “restitution of all things”. All things are not “restituted” today, are they? No, things are a mess.
NOTE: this is NOT to say that a “practicing Jew” cannot be saved in this dispensation of grace. Any man can be saved simply by trusting in the provision God made for man in this dispensation. Christ, died for our sin, buried and raised again for our justification. He does not need to “endure to the end” of the trib, he does not need signs and wonders (all ended, why?). He just needs to trust in what Christ did on his behalf.
When do saved men receive their atonement? NOW!
Romans 5:11… “And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have NOW received the atonement.”
If the church began in early Acts why have you not sold all your possessions as Jesus commanded and the apostles along with the thousands who followed them actually did?
Acts 4:32-35… “And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.”
That’s Divine communism buddy! They were able to make it work too because they were empowered by the Holy Spirit in ways that we are not.
The “last days” or the “end times” that began in early Acts, ENDED. The Kingdom church went broke. Paul had to bring them money time and time again. The last days will begin again at the “rapture” when the dispensation of grace is ended. God raised up Paul with the message of grace and peace to the entire world WITHOUT the nation Israel in play whatsoever. They always had been. Paul told them different because God told him different. It’s why the Jews were always trying to kill him. Why was Cornelius the Gentile “blessed” when Peter spoke to him? Because Cornelius blessed the Jews as he was so instructed in Gen 12! Do any of us need to bless Israel to get a blessing from God today? Nope. Old Corney did and knew it.
What about the woman at the well? Jesus called her a DOG!!! Yet, she knew her place which was UNDER Israel. Jesus saw that her faith was in the correct place and blessed her.
I could go on and on but this is not my blog. I thank the author (I met him once at a prophesy conference in Dallas listening to Mike Hoggard speak) for allowing me to post anything at all as I know what I post is contrary to what most believe. More is written on my own. I raise these issues to get people like you to question and to seek. I know this is tough to understand, but it’s what the Bible says. Do not believe a word I tell you. Study it out. This hour long teaching might help. http://graceambassadors.com/midacts/170219-chart-lesson Right division is the key which unlocks the scriptures completely and totally. It’s mind blowing. It is not new. It began with Paul and will end with Paul.
Romans 2:16… “In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to MY GOSPEL.”
Get the right gospel for the right dispensation. There are 3 mentioned in Galatians alone. Can you find them? I already mentioned 2.
2 Tim 2:15… “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
If Gods word needs to be “rightly divided” in order to shew ourselves approved of God, as per Paul, that implies that people can “wrongly divide” it as well. This is what you and most others are doing when you combine Peter and Paul.
2 Tim 2:7… “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.”
Did Paul just have a HUGE ego, or did God work something in him that satan and the world do not want men to see?
Eph 3:8-10… “Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the MYSTERY, which FROM THE BEGINNING of the world HATH BEEN HID in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that NOW unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,”
One cannot comprehend the manifold wisdom of God without comprehending the separate and distinct message the risen and glorified Lord Jesus Christ gave to Paul alone. God has always been graceful with man, yet only with Paul was the dispensation of free grace begun. His grace was conditional upon faithful execution of the law previously. The future Jewish tribulation remnant will be given (as in early Acts) the ability to keep the law.
grace and peace…
blessing to you my friend in Jesus our Lord
thank you for your lengthy reply.
I will only be brief for now.
I ask the same question as I have done to another brother (bobbivilla) just now.
Q: Are you a Jew, or are you a Gentile?
if a Gentile, and IF you are correct, then the words of Jesus have no releavance to you seeing He preached only to Jews, and Peter, James and John and jude, also have no relevance to you?
You can ignore all the commands of Jesus and all His teaching? Peter, James, Jude, John, you can ignore and they have no relevance to you? Such portions are only valid for Jews?
And so Pauls’ message is only vaild for gentiles? and NONE of it is relevant to any Jew?
“blessing to you my friend in Jesus our Lord
thank you for your lengthy reply.”
And you too, it is my pleasure. I know this can be hard at first. It’s not what any of us were taught in church. Religion is what people go to seminary and church for. They don’t study the Bible there, indeed, the majority are anti-King James. I’ve never set foot in a seminary.
“Q: Are you a Jew, or are you a Gentile?”
Excellent question! I am NEITHER. I am a new creature. I am a member of a body of believers, the likes of which God kept secret from all the prophets.
2 Cor 5:16-17… “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth KNOW WE HIM NO MORE. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
There’s some “new meaning” in the “new creature”, no?
“if a Gentile, and IF you are correct, then the words of Jesus have no releavance to you seeing He preached only to Jews, and Peter, James and John and jude, also have no relevance to you?”
It’s not “me” that’s correct. I’m always wrong. The Bible is always correct.
Define “relevance”. If by that you mean that I am to ignore the scriptures as useless to me, than I would say no, they are highly relevant. They teach me of Jesus earthly ministry that I may see the difference between it and His ministry through Paul. I learn a great deal about the nature of God through them. Paul’s epistles wouldn’t make any sense without them.
2 Tim 3:16… “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
If by “relevance” you mean should I take them as my marching orders? Then no, they are not relevant. Very simply, I can’t raise the dead, heal the sick, give sight to the blind, mess with snakes, etc… I have not sold all my possessions (Paul tells me to work while Jesus told the 12 not to worry about from where their sustenance would come from). I CAN’T follow the law, I’m incapable, I’m a sinner! I have NOT been given the Holy Spirit to empower me to do so as the 12 WERE, and will be again (Ez 36:27, Jer 31:31, Heb 8). It goes on and on…
“You can ignore all the commands of Jesus and all His teaching? Peter, James, Jude, John, you can ignore and they have no relevance to you? Such portions are only valid for Jews?”
In a word, yes (but I don’t like the word “ignore” as ignorance comes from it); because those commands were NEVER meant for me. They were and are meant for Israel and those Gentiles who choose to align themselves with them. Paul says…
1 Cor 14:37… “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I WRITE unto you ARE the commandments of the Lord.”
That’s why Jesus (in His earthly ministry) was sent to HIS OWN, the nation Israel. That’s why the latter section of the Bible contains the “HEBREW” epistles. They are for the Hebrews in the last days!!! We’re not in the last days. These days there are no Hebrews or Gentiles. God is not dealing with the world in terms of Jew and Gentile. He deals with the world in terms of saved versus unsaved. You know this to be true!
Gal 3:28… “There is NEITHER Jew nor Greek, there is NEITHER bond nor free, there is NEITHER male nor female: for ye are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus.”
I am NEITHER a Jew or a Gentile.
Col 3:10-11… “And have put on the NEW MAN, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is NEITHER Greek nor Jew, circumcision NOR uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, and in all.”
I am a NEW unprophesied MAN. A member of HIS BODY the information of which was KEPT SECRET in God, IN ORDER that the devil would go ahead and crucify the Lord sealing his eternal fate for ever! I am not His “bride” (that is in fact not even a people but a city). He is not my “King” as I am not of a nation! He is my Head! He is my Savior! I am an ambassador of the Most High God and am not from here, though this is my “territory”. I am placed deeply behind enemy lines. I’m in the middle of it man.
1 Cor 2:7-8… “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the HIDDEN wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD knew: for had they known it, they would NOT have crucified the Lord of glory.”
Has satan known what God was truly up to when He hung on that cross, he never would have crucified the Lord. It was his undoing on earth AND in heaven.
Col 2:15… “And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them OPENLY, triumphing over them in it.”
The MANIFOLD WISDOM of God, the revelation of the MYSTERY OPENLY, which was satan’s complete undoing and our greatest salvation! Here is knowledge, here is wisdom! Understand what God is actually doing today! He is dispensing grace FREELY to all men everywhere (and most still want the law…).
Question for you. (You know the answer.) Can you lose your salvation? If you are saved by the freely offered grace of God you can not. Guess what? The guys in Hebrews can. The guys in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John can. The guys in 1 and 2 Peter can. The guys in 1, 2 and 3 John can. The guys in James can. The guys in Jude can. And surely the guys in Revelation can! An example…
Heb 6:4-6… “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.”
What is up with this? How can you and I be saved for all eternity IF this verse and many others in the Hebrew epistles is true for US and NOT another group of people?
Here is some calculus for you. The guys in Romans 9, 10 and 11 can lose their salvation too. You know why? Because in these particular chapters Paul is speaking to the body about exactly what happened to Israel now that God is no longer dealing with them. We are NOT grafted into THEIR program. Gentiles in the past and in the future WERE and WILL BE. See Genesis 12! We are a NEW CREATURE!!!
“And so Pauls’ message is only vaild for gentiles? and NONE of it is relevant to any Jew?”
Of course not. Paul was sent to the entire world; as Israel WOULD HAVE BEEN had they as a nation believed on Christ. They failed, as God knew they would (why else were sacrifices built into the law program?). The burden fell on ONE MAN to bring the message of grace FIRST to the Jews and THEN to the heathen.
Rom 1:16… “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Just as Moses was given the law to “dispense” to Israel; Paul was given free grace to dispense to them first (they hated it, preferring the law which kept them in a position of importance!); and then to the whole world as Israel was no longer needed to be the channel of blessing from God to the world. Thus the DISPENSATION of grace which we exist in today and for the past 2,000 years! How much longer will it last? Hardly anyone even knows of its existence.
Peter, James, John, etc… were JEWS. They never BECAME Christian. They were born Jews, they died Jews, they will be resurrected Jews to sit on 12 Jewish thrones in the Jewish city of the New Jerusalem! Paul was the worlds FIRST Christian. Look at this!
1 Tim 1: 15-16… “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
Christ was prophesied to come to His own. In Paul He did something which was completely and totally unknown, and still is for the vast majority of the “Christian” world. But there it is anyway.
Christ saved the “chief” sinner. Paul obtained mercy that in him FIRST, Jesus Christ might shew forth ALL longsuffering. What for? That Paul would be a PATTERN for them that should HEREAFTER believe. This is why Paul is constantly having to defend his apostleship to nearly everyone who heard him. Paul had the toughest job on earth. He remains today the worlds most misunderstood man (aside from the God/Man Christ Jesus of course). Moses had it easy compared to Paul. Moses was to the Jews as Paul SHOULD BE to believers today! He is THAT important and if you want to “follow God” you will follow Paul.
He is OUR Apostle. NOT Peter, James or John. And NOT Jesus in His earthly ministry. Jesus wasn’t talking to you directly. The “red letters” are a terrible (likely satanic) distraction. He speaks with you today by way of the Apostle He SPECIFICALLY sent to you. Paul. Again…
1 Cor 14:37… “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I WRITE unto you ARE the commandments of the Lord.”
The “mystery” is NOT found in “prophesy”. They are two separate and distinct programs that God put in place in order that BOTH the earth (Israel) AND the heavens (body) would be redeemed perfectly and in order back to Himself.
They don’t teach this stuff in seminary brother. One can only learn this by studying the King James Bible. Rightly divided. This information is completely obscured in the “new perversions”.
satan today is transformed into an angel of light. It’s the false light. he provides a false gospel of works based salvation (another gospel). he lives in churches the world over. he lives in “bibles” everywhere.
WOW…!!! This makes perfect “crazy” sense doesn’t it? The whole Bible does brother. It’s all written FOR us, but it’s not all written TO us. The key to understanding the whole thing is learning this one thing.
grace and peace…!
I, was born into the world as a Gentile.
I was born again in Christ Jesus as a new creature in Him, He being the First of many brothers.
In Christ Jesus, in the fellowship of the saints, in the houselhold of faith that is in Christ, there is no physical distinctions, such as ethnicity, or human status in society. All are one in Christ we are brothers (and sisters), blood washed by the Lamb of God.
But in this world as to my ethnic status I am a Gentile, just as I had been born free and not into slavery of the human kind. These thiingsa re of relevance in this present world, but they have no relevance as to the Kingdom of God.
Paul preached to Gentiles, because that was what he was called to do. But he also preacehd to Jews and may of them because Jesus did not tell him that he could not do so.
Peter preached to Jews because that was what he was aclled to do. But he also preached to Gentiles because God required it.
In both cases, Peter and Paul, they preached the same message to each group; not the exact same words by rote as if they read from one piece of paper, but the same message.
Each apostle had different aspects to bring forth, but it all fitted together into one message.
We see this in the old testament prophecies, – they all spoke of Christ Jesus who was to come, even though they spoke using different words. They were all on the same page so to speak.
Yes they saw through a darkened glass dimly; but so do we. Paul himself says that.
Look my brothers. I have been reading prayerfully through the Sciptures for over 50 years. mostly from the KJV and also from the LITV.
I see nothing to contradict what Paul said in his sermons, (Acts) and his letters, to what Peter said in Acts or in his letters.
Paul did receive from the Lord Jesus some additional material, but the same goes for Peter.
And I see nothing in either of their post pentecost messages, to contradict anything that our Lord preached while He was on earth among us. It all harmonizes into one volume, and it all agrees. There are many ‘witnesses’ in Scripture and they all agree.
Paul tells us that in the gifts that are dispersed into the fellowship of the saints, there are distinctive gifts, but they are all administered by the same Holy Spirit. Distinction does not mean better or superior or exclusively to be only for a certain group of people adnb not for antother group of people in the body of Christ.
John writes 7 letters to seven assemblies (Revelation 2 and 3). In each letter are different traits mentioned by the Lord of Himself, diffferent ‘messsages’, and different promises. But in every case, each letter closes with the phrase:
“The one who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies.”
The Holy Spirit is speaking directly to each assembly but each of tthe assemblies need to take heed to each message in given.
Distinction does not mean exclusiveness.
Paul did baptize people in water because Jesus had not forbidden him to do so.
Paul rebuked Peter publicly for his hypocrisy, but no one rebukes Paul for baptizing a few folk. If Jesus had have forbidden him to do so, then a rebuke would have been recorded.
Moses was rebuked by God for striking the rock when he should have spoken to the rock (Num 20). Jesus rebuked James and John for their unholy words, as Jesud did also to Peter. but Paul is never rebuked for baptizing those he did.
” that not anyone should say that you were baptized in my name. ” 1 Cor 1:15.
Paul did not want anyone to say – Look, “PAUL” this mighty man of God baptized me so I follow Paul.
He rebukes such childishness: “Ye are carnal – !!”. What are we, Paul or Apollos, or Cephas? We are but clay vessels.
Let us not get hung up on Paul saying ‘my gospel’. It was the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul or Peter, or Apollos, or Ananias, or Jeames or John are just messengers of the same Lord who has given us all (through Christ) one faith.
Just as OT prophecy was a growing revelation of Him who was to come, so too the saame principle operates among the apostles of Jesus Christ.
Many proudly call themselves ‘Calvinists’ or ‘Arminianists’ or ‘Baptists’ or ‘Pentecostals’, or some other designation. This is all carnal, fleshly mindedness.
Let us get our eyes of he human clay vessel and back enetirely onto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith which He has given to us, whether we were born as slaves or free, Jewish or Gentile, employer or employee.,
Psalms is 19 books from Genesis and 47 books from Revelation (Hint: 1947 CE) Psalms 1= year 1901.
Book I includes Psalm 1-41; Book II, Psalm 42-72; Book III, Psalm 73-89; Book IV, Psalm 90-106; Book V, Psalm 107-150.
Eschatological Psalms are: 1=1901,2, 7-10, 17-18 (1917-1918 (Israel)), 22-24, 27, 30, 40, 45-48 (1945-1948 (Israel)), 50, 52 (Israel greening up), 67 (1967-6th Day War in Israel), 72, 76, 81, 82, 83, 96-98, 100, 102, 107 (10 year Tribulation began; Rev 2:10), 108, 109 (2009―The Antichrist (Obama)),110-116(2010-2016), 117-118 (2017-2018/5777-5778/rapture/2nd Coming), 119 (Feast of Tabernacles/Messianic Kingdom/Millennium; 5778/5779).
jardalkal
….you may be wrong in saying that Obama is the Antichrist. Or are we to see him come to the front of the world scene in days or years to come. No doubt he has the spirit of antichrist working in him. As John wrote centuries ago – there are many antichrists. That is the day and age we live in. But there will be one big daddy of them all – full possession of satan.
May the Lord Jesus be your portion
I am a gentile who found out later that I am a Jew. I am sent to the lost house of Israel (all 12 tribes including Christians). Many Christians are still lost and they will be going through the Trumpet Judgments of Revelation. Those in the Book of Death go through the judgments. Those in the book of Luke warm go into the judgments but only half of them will go through them. I preach by the short witness tool at Jardalkalatgmail.blogspot.com. I am autistic and I hand it out freely to one and all. It is 2 pages in length. It has baptism on it. a message from me to you about a God dream. It has the axial poleshift at the rapture of 300-400 million and it has the Trumpet and Bowl judgments of Revlation.
Babylon the Great is th USA. The king of Babylon the great is the Antichrist/Lucifer. Trump is not that one. He is Cyrus and he will die with the death of America.
59. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14:4-6).
60. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).
61. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).
1947+62 Pentecosts = 2009. Who was King in 2009? Who was KIng in 2010? It is not Trump.
1967+62 Pentecosts = 2029 Who will be king then?.
These are the years we go by. 1947+70 years = 5777 (rapture). 1948+70 years = 2018 (Second Coming with the rapture, Armageddon on Day of Atonement and Millennium at Feast of Tabernacles.
Battle of Jerusalem was 1917 (Psalm 17) +100 years = 2017 (Psalm 117-rapture between l September to Passover of 2018 on a full moon or new moon. Passovr is the one for the rapture on the Full Moon (March 31, 2018 (Enoch chapter 60–7th month and 14th day for the dream/vision).
Battle of Megiddo 1918 (Psalm 18)+100 years = Battle of Megiddo (Psalm 118:10-13 at the end of the Ezekiel 38-39 War.
This is a closed and shut case for me and my hands are tied behind my back so you plan for Armagddon on Sept 19th, 2018 and the rapture at Passover.
United Nations is the Beast System.
62. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18).
63. This world entity will be a diverse entity, different than all other ruling bodies of the world (Dan 7:7, 23).
64. This entity will be a TREATY POWER ENTITY (Dan 7:7, 23 DIVERSE).
65. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).
God put a stop to the prophetic time clock, and unless you want to render the book of Daniel meaningless, the last days were not to last 2,000+ years after they began. They are to last 7 years. Since you claim these verses in Acts 2, do you also claim these?
Lies are prevalent and you lie big time> Liars burn in the LAke of fire and brimstone. I would not want to be you. Lie: Jesus born on Christmas Day. Lie: Jesus died on Friday: Lie: Replacement Theology. Lie: Imminency of Christ: Lie: 7year tribulation: Lie: You can eat unkosher food. What God calls an abomination stays an abomination God does not change but liars changes times and seasons. Lie: Jesus enter Jerusalem on Palm Sunday and died on Friday. Liars change the Word of God to preach their lies. Lie: You can worship idols like the Christmas tree, Asherah pole, Santa’s, Easter Bunnies. Angels, All the Saint’s All Saint’s day, Halloween, etc., etc. etc. You can have tttoos and still enter the Messianic Kingdom. LIE!. LIE! LIE! All you teach is LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIARS burn in the lake of fire and brimstone.
“Liars burn in the LAke of fire and brimstone. I would not want to be you.”
Well, all men are liars, sinners and fall short of the glory of God. That would include me (and you by the way). If God puts me in hell, He is Righteous and it is where I deserve to be.
I will still trust in and thank Him for sending His Son to die on my behalf and raising Him once again for my eternal justification. You should too.
“Well, all men are liars, sinners and fall short of the glory of God. That would include me (and you by the way). If God puts me in hell, He is Righteous and it is where I deserve to be.
I will still trust in and thank Him for sending His Son to die on my behalf and raising Him once again for my eternal justification. You should too.”
well said brother
Country Preacher. Go look up Asperger autism. Aspies are known to not lie. We do not understand many of the hidden meanings of communication. So I get kicked out of Christian churches because I keep the Sabbaths, I do not know when to let go of a hug or when it is appropriate to hug. I get kicked out of churches for tying prophecy, eschatology to Feasts of the Lord. I get kicked out of churches for fulfilled dreams and visions for my life and those around me (100 + since 1967 6th day war at the age of 8. I get kicked out of churches for they do not know who my teacher is which is the Holy Spirit, cross references, Bible dictionaries, articles, and comments from people like you. I get kicked out of churches for: We do not believe the way you do. By the way, you do not believe the way Jesus did either. He was a Jew who keeps the laws of God. You follow a Jesus who is a law breaker. Your Jesus breaks the Sabbaths . My Jesus returns on the Biblical Day of Trumpet in the 120th Jubilee year from Creation. If you want to know when the rapture is. It is on the first Day of Elul 1(Sign of Jonah) on the Biblical Calendar, not the Rabbinic Calendar in the year of Jubilee. If you want to know when the two witnesses die. It is on Tisha B’ Av on the Biblical Calendar in the year of Jubilee. If you want to know when Armageddon is, it is on the Biblical Day of Atonement with the marriage of the Groom and bride first at the end of the Ezekiel 38-39 War. So if you are not on God’s Biblical Calendar then you do not know/understand when the HaMashiach comes.
We did I say the lies the Church teaches is because I did a 30 page article (Maybe more or less) back in 2014 on the lies the church teaches. Why? Because it ties to Revelation 17/18. Come out of the Roman Catholic Church or burn with her in the lake of fire and brimstone.
You say we are not in the last days but some teach they began 2000 years ago and picked up speed in 1947 and 1948 and again in 1967 (gentiles filled Jerusalem). The signs all around you is saying Nibiru/Planet X/El Shaddai/The destroyer who brought in the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, 3 days of darkness in the exodus, 3 hours of darkness at Yeshua’s death. and the Signs in the Sun, Moon, and stars are telling us that the end of humanity is in the next 65 days.
“Aspies are known to not lie.”
All well and good. I’m not calling you a liar. Aspies are not necessarily all knowing either. I am saying you don’t know what you are talking about. You would do very well to read and understand that body of information which God gave to Paul.
To even suggest that I am somehow aligned with the roman catholic church is purely idiotic and demonstrates clearly the fact that you have not read and/or comprehended a single word I have written.
Those lies are the lies the Church teaches which I did an article on in 2014 because I got tired of hearing that Jesus was born on Christmas day. Matt, Mark, and Luke teaches that the SON of Man is LORD even of the SABBATh. So that means to me that everything dealing with the Sabbath keeping Jesus comes from Leviticus 23. So if your Jesus was born December 25th than the universe would have goon poof 2000 years ago and the universe is still here so that means My Jesus (Sabbath keeping Jesus) follows Leviticus 23 to the very tittle of the Law of God.
Thoughts on Christmas…
https://gracecountrybiblechurch.com/2016/12/25/thoughts-on-christmas/
I do. But I also deliever both the good and the bad in the same paragraph. I can tear your comments apart or build them up.
Autistic people can be very rude and not ven know it. As my caregiver Ray says, I can dish out both th good and the bad. Losers came up in a discussion on the way back from the hospital.
I am still trying to figure that one out. It is a very fine line. Winners are overcomers and over achievers at all odds and we aim for the mark but it comes at a cost because we leave everyone behind. That was through a dream I had about 2 years ago.
No one knows who will be left behind until it happens. All I know is that the front row of a congregation goes into the Messianic Kingdom. Only those written in the Book of LIfe get to go in. So out of the book of Luke-warm of 2-9 percent of humanity, only 4 percent go into the Messianic Kingdom and 5 percent go through the fire including us Jewish Messianic Evanglists who are the 144,000.
I am a Jew and I watch for signs in the Sun, Moon, and Stars. 2017, we had 20-40 signs and in 2018, we have 6, 2019-1, 2020-Zero, 2020-2040 Zero to one. 2016-20 signs, 2015- 9 signs, 2014-6 signs, 2013-2 signs, 2010-2012 one sign each.
By the way, I die by beheading in a Fema Camp between Pentecost and Day of Trumpet possibly. My prayer is to see Him in the air on the Day of Trumpet on Sept 9th, 2018. And I know that that has already been granted. I have had since 1967 at the age of 8 over 56 fulfilled God dreams so far so I know the remaining 10 will be fulfilled on the day of their fulfillment. Axial poleshift is the next one to be fulfilled unless one to 3 pop up before then.
” My prayer is to see Him in the air….”
Be ready then brother – for in an hour you think not the Son of man comes.
Just be ready.
blessings in Jesus Christ
Nahum 1;7
Be saved then (what does “ready” mean?)! God offers you and everyone a free gift! His son, died in your place! Take it, trust it alone, and you will see Him in the air! So simple.
2 Cor 11:1-4… “Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
The world makes things so complex…
grace country pastor
I was only quoting Jesus words my friend. That is simple.
Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Luk 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
The context of these sayings gives us understanding as the Holy Spirit helps us.
AS to salvation, saved. The Lord Himself is my salvation – Psalam 27:1; and many other passages. Salvation is ONLY found in Him as you would know. To be saved is to come into union, fellowhips with the father through the Son – Jesus Christ. All the deails are in Him.
So as Paul himself says whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord (as he also was commanded to do – Acts 22:16), shall be saved. Ananias first gave Paul the inbstructions of what he MUST do, and Paul simply with further revelation from Jesus, went into the glorious details.of this so glorious salvation which is in Jesus Christ the Lord.
and I will ask my question again
Q: Are you a Jew, or are you a Gentile?
if a Gentile, and IF you are correct, then the words of Jesus have no releavance to you seeing He preached only to Jews, and Peter, James and John and jude, also have no relevance to you?
You can ignore all the commands of Jesus and all His teaching? Peter, James, Jude, John, you can ignore and they have no relevance to you? Such portions are only valid for Jews?
And so Pauls’ message is only vaild for gentiles? and NONE of it is relevant to any Jew?
Is this what you believe?
“I was only quoting Jesus words my friend. That is simple.”
I understand you loud and clear and am pleased you call me friend. (Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.) Quoting Jesus words is the problem with your theology however. You quote Jesus as if He was speaking to you in the red letters. HE WAS NOT. If you take one thing He says in those red letters, you’d better take all the rest. AND YOU CAN’T. Neither you or I or anyone alive today is equipped to follow those red letters TO THE LETTER. And that is exactly how they are to be followed.
Gal 3:10… “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”
Jesus taught the law. All of it.
John 15:10… “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
John 15:10… “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.”
Mighty big “IF”, no? Tell me you’re not glad that “if” isn’t pointed at you!
James 2:10… “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
The NEW COVENANT (which we today are NOT a part of) provided those it was promised to (the house of Israel and the house of Judah – nowhere was this promise made to a Gentile) the SUPERNATURAL ABILITY to keep the law!
1 John 3:9… “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
Ezekiel 36:27… “And I will PUT my spirit within you, and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and ye SHALL keep my judgements, and do them.”
Jer 31:31-34… “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of ISRAEL, and with the house of JUDAH: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake (THAT WOULD BE THE LAW COVENANT), although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will PUT my law in their inward parts, and WRITE IT in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Heb 8:10-11… “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of ISRAEL after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.”
This began and ended in the early Acts period with the giving (and eventual withdrawing) of the Holy Spirit at (Jewish) Pentecost. Acts begins with a question 1:6… it ends with the eventual answer 28:28. Acts is not the “story” of the “church’s” beginning, it is the story of Israel’s fall.
Jesus in the red letters says, sell ALL you have; and don’t dare tell me that Jesus was just speaking to that one rich man. Read Acts 3 and 4… they ALL sold ALL their possessions just as Christ commanded. The two that did not were KILLED immediately (Acts 5). You have not. Why are you still alive?
Or, are you (like most) going to say: “I know that’s what the Bible says but that’s not what it means…”? Spare me the spiritual lies. Let’s just believe the words on the page.
“Ananias first gave Paul the inbstructions of what he MUST do, and Paul simply with further revelation from Jesus, went into the glorious details.of this so glorious salvation which is in Jesus Christ the Lord.”
Then Paul is a liar and you diminish the Deity of the Lord Christ. I’d re-read Acts 9 if I were you. I’ll toss this one in again for good measure.
Gal 1:11-12… “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is NOT AFTER MAN. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
Man includes Ananias, Peter, James, John, etc…
Ananias did not “reveal” anything to Paul. He laid hands on him and the scales (which Christ installed) fell off his eyes. Don’t “spiritualize” that either. What exactly did the Lord say to Ananias?
Acts 9:15-16… “But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.”
For “I”… let me repeat that, for I (the LORD) will shew him (Paul) how great things he must suffer for my names sake. Ananias could not have possibly revealed ANYTHING to Paul, because that which was revealed to Paul was only just beginning to be revealed to Paul by Christ Himself! Paul was the FIRST to hear the NEW REVELATION (the dispensation of grace) from the RISEN and GLORIFIED Lord Jesus Christ. You raise Ananias above Paul and Christ! A NEW SET OF INSTRUCTIONS for mankind (the dispensation of grace) was about to be dropped on the world BY WAY OF CHRIST, THROUGH PAUL the Apostle Christ sent to you and me, AS ISRAEL FELL.
Eph 3:2-4… “If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)”
Have ye heard of the dispensation of grace? Apparently not. You’re not alone. Let’s change that! There are 13 short epistles that would turn the world upside down if the world would only read them.
“AS to salvation, saved. The Lord Himself is my salvation – Psalam 27:1; and many other passages. Salvation is ONLY found in Him as you would know.”
Yes, but… The Lord Himself is the “object” of your salvation as He is mine. What however is the “content” of the object of our salvation? It is that God the Father sent His Son (object) to die for our sins and was then raised again for our complete and total justification (content). Period. We do not worship an “object”. We worship that object AND what that object did for us. Yes? (Please pardon me for referring to Christ as a mere object. I just try to make a point.)
“To be saved is to come into union, fellowhips with the father through the Son – Jesus Christ.”
I hear where you’re heading but not specifically, no. We need to be specific about these things as we are dealing with eternal souls here. To be saved is to KNOW that you are a sinner in need of a Savior and that God Himself provided the path which is His Son. There is not a thing “you” can do to save “yourself”. “YOU” have no “union” or “fellowship” with a HOLY GOD. God wants “you” dead. “You” are a sinner and God has no fellowship with sin. GOD has fellowship with CHRIST alone, as Christ alone is Perfect. If, however, “you” are found IN CHRIST, trusting in HIS finished work… well then, you (the dead you – Galatians 2:20) are accepted IN THE BELOVED. You (the alive you) is not accepted (Romans 7:18). You (the spiritual you) are now dead, buried and raised again… this is a spiritual, not yet physical reality. This spiritual reality will be made physical at the RAPTURE! All things are “passed away” (including you, and me, thank you Father!) and all things are made new (read 2 Cor 5:14-21 very carefully)! Boggles the mind…
“and I will ask my question again Q: Are you a Jew, or are you a Gentile?”
I am NEITHER.
See my detailed answer already posted above. March 2, 2018 at 10:48 am.
gcp
thank you for your reply.
In asking the question are you a Jew or Gentile, I was only speaking about the place and circumstances of our natural birth. Jesus was Jew after all as to His fleshly existence.
Of course after coming into Jesus Christ by grace through faith in Him alone, there is no Jew or Gentile, slave or free with respect to our fellowship with the Father and the Son (1 John 1:3).
Let me make it very clear, I was not speaking about your spiritual position in and through Jesus Christ, but your earthly abode and origin, while still in the flesh. If you were not born into a Jewish family then most likely your are a Gentile from another nationality. If you get my point.
If you were born and raised in America you have American citizenship in this earthly plain; if you didn’t have Jewish parents, you are Gentile by natural birth.
I was born and raised in Australia so I have Australian citizenship, but these things while I must make good use of them, do not move me.
If I am correct in recalling, and please correct me if I am wrong, you said (not quote) that only Paul’s gospel is valid for all Gentiles; – Jesus, and James and Peter and John etc, were sent to the Jews and Paul was sent to the Gentiles. You also explained that the gospel preached by Paul was different to Peter’s.
Alright, forget the Q about being Jew or Gentile;
Do you believe that what Jesus said – preached, taught while in the flesh before His crucifixion, has no bearing on your life seeing He was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
And do you also believe the same of Peter’s preaching and letters that they have no bearing or value you for your relationship with Jesus, seeing he was sent to the Jews?
Ananias was sent to Saul and told him what he must do. Of course all the many many many details of what would be later revealed to Saul – Paul, were NOT given by Ananias. I am not saying Ananias revealed to Paul all what he had to preach.
“And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do (Acts 9:6)……
“…..And the Lord said unto him (Ananias), Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.
And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.” Acts 9:11-18
Saul In this passage is told who sent Ananias. Ananias tells him Jesus sent him that he may receive his sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 22.10-16
“And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.
And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.
And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
This passage is from Paul’s own lips. Paul was also told similarly to what is recorded in chapter 9, Paul received sight, and was told to rise up and be baptized, wash away his sins, and call upon the name of the Lord.
This was at the command of Jesus though it is not recorded as such, buit this is common in Scripture. Often when a messenger is sent the record says that they must say a certain thing, but as the messenger delivers it, the record reveals other things not mentioned in the first instance. It is all by the Spirit of God. And Anaias spoke by the Holy Spirit.
So what is recorded here is overlapping and giving more detail as Paul reveals.
Paul had to receive his sight back again. He had to be filled with the Holy Spirit. He had to rise up and be baptized in water. In doing so he would “wash away ” his sins. He had to call upon the name of the Lord at this time.
In this passage Paul is told a few things that He must do and he dos them in obedience.
All these things Paul speaks of to others as he preaches here and there (in the book of Acts) and in his letters.,
Jesus says that he must go to the gentiles and before kings etc. But he fist had to submit to the commands of Jesus which He spoke about before His ascension.
Luker 24:
” Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.” Luke 24:44-49
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”
Paul was baptized according to the command of Jesus.
Paul received the Holy Spirit – the promise of the Father.
Paul went out to all the nations that he was led to go to according to the command of Jesus.
Paul himself DID baptize at least some believers 1 Cor 1
Paul DID lay hands on believers that they too may receive the Holy Spirit, and it is recorded that the Holy Spirit fell on them and they spoke in languages and prophesied by the Holy Spirit. Acts 19
These things are all part of the good news in Jesus. for they all focus on Him and what He has said and what He does in resurrection power.
Paul went into Arabaia and was taught of the Lord for some years. then went to Jerusalem to find out from the other apostles if what he had been teaching was not in vain. IT was all good. They gave him the right hand of fellowship, which he did not refuse..
I am eagerly expecting the appearing of the Lord Jesus Heb 9:28, when He shall come suddenly to gather His Bride to Himself and the Father’s house. 1 John 3;1-3
1 Peter 1:1-15
grace cp
we are back again.
you say this my friend
“The NEW COVENANT (which we today are NOT a part of) provided those it was promised to (the house of Israel and the house of Judah – nowhere was this promise made to a Gentile) the SUPERNATURAL ABILITY to keep the law!”
The specific phrase “New Covenant” is clearly spoken of once in Jeremiah 31; Matthew, Mark and Luke each mention it once ; Paul speaks of it twice – to predominantly Gentile congregations in Corinth 1 Cor, 11:25; 2 Cor. 3:6. It is mentioned in Hebrews 8:8; 9:15; 12:24.. In each NT case it refers to that which Jesus brought into place with His own blood.
You insist that Paul was only sent to Gentiles. okay. To the Gentiles he goes and speaks of a new covenant which was ratified with the blood of Jesus Christ.
In his first letter he tells how he got this information- “For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you,” Paul got his revelation about the ‘new covenant directly from the mouth of the Lord Jesus. And this new covenant that he received from the Lord and relays to Gentiles, is exactly what Jesus spoke about to Jewish men in the upper room. One covenant made with one death of one Sacrifice of one Lamb of God – Jesus Christ. And that covenant is a new and better covenant – far superior to the old covenant made with blood of bulls and goats.
In His second letter to these same Gentile believers Paul himself declares that he along with others (we) are able ministers of a new covenant. How many new covenants was God going to make? We are told that a new covenant from God can only be made with blood. If more than one new covenant, what kind of blood was going to bring into effect a secondary new covenant?
“For if the blood of bulls and goats, and ashes of a heifer sprinkling those having been defiled, sanctifies to the purity of the flesh,
Heb 9:14 by how much more the blood of Christ (who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God), will purify your conscience from dead works, to serve the living God!
Heb 9:15 And because of this He is Mediator of a new covenant (NEW COVENANT), so that, death having occurred for redemption of transgressions under the first covenant, those being called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a covenant is, the death of him having covenanted must be offered.” Hebrews 9:13- 16 and on.
(The first and then a new one. This only speaks of two – two kinds of scarifice and two kinds of covenant.)
I know of only one which was to be perfected in Christ’s death. And that is exactly what Hebrews tells us – whoever wrote it matters not; it was God breathed just as much as any letters of Paul were.
And so Paul by revelation from Jesus , says to the Ephesian assembly (which included Gentile believers)
“that at that time you were without Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers of the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:13 But now, in Christ Jesus you who then were afar off, came to be near by the blood of Christ. (BUT NOW – made near)
Eph 2:14 For He is our peace, He making us both one, and breaking down the middle wall of partition, (US BOTH ONE – is referring to Jew and Gentile being made one)
Eph 2:15 in His flesh causing to cease the enmity, the Law of the commandments in decrees, that He might in Himself create the two into one new man, making peace, (THE TWO Is concerning Jew and Gentile)
Eph 2:16 and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, slaying the enmity in Himself. (BOTH is concerning Jew and Gentile)
Eph 2:17 And coming, He proclaimed “peace to you, the ones afar off, and to the ones near.” Isa. 57:19 (AFAR OFF and NEAR – concerns Gentile and Jew)
Eph 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. (WE BOTH HAVE ACCESS – refers to both Jew and Gentile).
Paul and Peter and James and John were all “near”being Jewish blood, and the Ephesians – Gentiles, were afar off. But the new covenant which was enacted by the death of Jesus Christ made both Jew and Gentile believers one in Christ.
Secondly
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Paul says to the believers in Rome –
“For the Law being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh,
Rom 8:4 so that the righteous demand of the Law might be fulfilled in us, those not walking according to flesh, but according to Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For the ones that are according to flesh mind the things of the flesh. And the ones according to Spirit mind the things of the Spirit.”
“fulfilled” in verse 4 includes the meaning of furnish, execute, accomplished. “might be” implies a ongoing work till completed.
…we read in Romans 8.
“Rom 8:12 So, then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to flesh,
Rom 8:13 for if you live according to flesh, you are going to die. But if by the Spirit you put to death the practices of the body, you will live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.”
All because of Jesus in us, and His abiding Word in us, and His Holy Spirit in us, the righteous demands of the Law are fulfilled in us supernaturally. Praise God for that.
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You write: “This began and ended in the early Acts period with the giving (and eventual withdrawing) of the Holy Spirit at (Jewish) Pentecost. Acts begins with a question 1:6… it ends with the eventual answer 28:28. Acts is not the “story” of the “church’s” beginning, it is the story of Israel’s fall.
You haven’t read Paul’s prophetic utterance in which he repeats the cry of the prophet Isaiah -“All Israel shall be saved.” ? – I ask the question.
“For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be wise within yourselves, that hardness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the nations comes in; – (Hardness of heart until a fixed time that God alone knows)
Rom 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved, even as it has been written, “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. (ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED EVEN AS IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN)
Rom 11:27 And this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.” Isa. 59:20, 21
Rom 11:28 Indeed, as regards the gospel, ones hostile toward you, but as regards the election, beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Rom 11:29 For the free gifts and the calling of God are unregrettable.
Rom 11:30 For as you then also disobeyed God, but now have obtained mercy by the disobedience of these,
Rom 11:31 so also these now have disobeyed, so that they also may obtain mercy by your mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God shut up all into disobedience, that He may show mercy to all.
Paul emphatically states – that preacher, sent to the Gentiles in speaking to Gentiles, says ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED .. THE DELIVERER SHALL COME OUT OF ZION AND HE – JESUS WILL TURN UNGODLINESS AWAY FROM JACOB. They will remain hard hearted as a nation until the times of the Gentiles have been fulfilled. I believe that. It is not for us to know how it will happen but it shall happen my friend. God knows what He said and He will keep His word; He is faithful.
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“Jesus in the red letters says, sell ALL you have; and don’t dare tell me that Jesus was just speaking to that one rich man. Read Acts 3 and 4… they ALL sold ALL their possessions just as Christ commanded.”
On the matter of “selling all”. Jesus spoke to one man about selling all. He did not tell every single person He spoke to to sell ALL. He did not say it to the woman at the well. He did not say it to the Roman centurion whose servant was sick to death. He did not say it to Jairus whose daughter Jesus healed.
A number of times He told people after setting them free from disease of demons, they were to go back to their own house – Matthew 9:6; Mark 7:30;. It seems to me that they did not have to sell their house.
Peter it would seem owned a house with Andrew. It was there that Jesus healed Peter’s mother in law. It was their house, but they were not told to sell their house.
As to Acts 4, 5.
“For neither was anyone needy among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses, selling them, they bore the value of the things being sold,
Act 4:35 and laid them at the feet of the apostles. And it was distributed to each according as any had need.
Act 4:36 And Joses, the one surnamed Barnabas by the apostles, which being translated is, Son of Consolation, a Levite, a Cypriot by race,
Act 4:37 a field being his, selling it, he brought the proceeds and placed them at the feet of the apostles”
I don’t read here that they sold ALL as you say. But they did sell part of their stuff. If every body sold their houses and lands that would mean they would have to live outdoors – thousands of families living out doors. Really? But perhaps they had Real Estate agents then like today.
Barnabas sold a field; that is NOT ALL – that is a field.
Peter plainly tells Ananias that they had full control over what they gave, which implies they could have easily kept some back for themselves – honestly, and with a clear conscience. The problem is that they conspired together to lie saying that they gave all the price of the property – wanting to impress. What they sold was not ALL, they had a property which they decided to sell. It doesn’t say they sold ALL.
To insist that ALL these early Christians. spoken of in the early church sold ALL that they had and gave ALL away is not validated by Scripture. Perhaps some did. But ALL?
Everyone participated in the generosity but the text does not state nor does it imply indirectly that everyone sold everything that they owned and gave it away.
The rich man Jesus spoke to, heard what he needed to hear and it was what Jesus required of Him. To me that is simple, but then I am a simple man.
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As to the eventual withdrawing of the Holy Spirit-
“This began and ended in the early Acts period with the giving (and eventual withdrawing) of the Holy Spirit…”
According to Scripture, when precisely was the Holy Spirit withdrawn? I have read the Bible through dozens of times over dozens of years and I have not read of such a thing; please, please, please show me where it emphatically and plainly states this.
Peter, whom you disregard as being a valid preacher to Gentiles, nevertheless said that the promised Holy Spirit and His work – which they saw and heard, is the same promise for all -” even as many as the Lord our God shall call”
I am so glad that I am in that class – “even as many as the Lord our God shall call”, and you are too.
God is good and He sends blessings to both Jew and Gentile for the same Lord is rich toward all who call on Him. Rom 10:12 For there is no difference both of Jew and of Greek, for the same Lord of all is rich toward all the ones calling on Him.
Rom 10:13 For everyone, “whoever may call on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Joel 2:32
Same Jesus was sent to both Jew and Gentile; Same Holy Spirit was sent to Jew and Gentile. Same Word of God is available to both Jew and Gentile.
Be blessed in Jesus.
Still hopeful of a yes or no answer to my question – Do you disregard all of Jesus’ teaching and preaching to Gentiles who come to Christ, seeing He was sent to the house of Israel only?
“Still hopeful of a yes or no answer to my question – Do you disregard all of Jesus’ teaching and preaching to Gentiles who come to Christ, seeing He was sent to the house of Israel only?”
Yes, as I’m neither a Gentile or a Jew. This I have made clear repeatedly. What Jesus said in His earthly ministry was sent to the house of Israel and those Gentiles who would bless them according to Gen 12. I am a new creature; neither Jew nor Gentile. One not spoken of or to by Christ in His earthly ministry.
We are not new covenant people. They don’t yet exist. Paul was an “able minister” because he knew the difference between covenant relationships (God… Jew and Gentile) and graceful ones (God… neither Jew or Gentile) and could therefore minister truth effectively.
https://gracecountrybiblechurch.com/2017/04/17/are-believers-today-new-testament-christians/
“Same Jesus was sent to both Jew and Gentile (AND NEW CREATURE); Same Holy Spirit was sent to Jew and Gentile (AND NEW CREATURE). Same Word of God is available to both Jew and Gentile (AND NEW CREATURE).”
HOWEVER… 1 Cor 12:5… “And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.”
You miss the dispensation (administration/operation) given to Paul.
You believe whatever it is you wish to believe. I will believe Gods word rightly divided. The words on the pages are easy to understand, yet hard to believe for religionists. To learn new things one must allow for the possibility that one is wrong. You just ain’t there yet. You simply want to argue every valid point presented. In time perhaps… but at this point I’m finished playing.
1 Cor 14:38… “But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”
Good luck and keep studying. God wants you to come unto the knowledge of the truth. It’s why He sent Paul.
Who is of the House of Israel. Jeremiah 31 says House of Israel (10 tribes) and house of Judah (2 tribes) but going back further, we have the giving of the ten commondments on the Biblical Day of Pentecost which were broken on Elul 1 when Moshe/Moes came down the mountain and did th Golden calf event. Then he went up the second time and came back dow on Yom Kippur. That week was the fulfillment of Exodus 24 to not only the House of Israel (all 12 tribes but to strangers and foreigners (Exod 12). So when you refer to the house of Israel, you need to refer to all 12 tribes plus strangers and foreigners.
As for Jeremiah being fulfilled in the Heavens, it was with Uranus in Pisces between 2015 (Shemitah year)-2018 (Jubilee year and 120th Jubilee year from Creation.
“If I am correct in recalling, and please correct me if I am wrong, you said (not quote) that only Paul’s gospel is valid for all Gentiles;”
No. I said clearly that Paul was sent “to the Jew first” and then to the “Greek”.
Rom 1:16… “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; TO THE JEW FIRST, and also to the Greek.”
“Jesus, and James and Peter and John etc, were sent to the Jews”
That is correct. Here is one further example.
James 1:1… “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”
If we believe the words literally (I do), to whom is James writing? He is writing to the 12 tribes scattered abroad. Those would be Jewish tribes. I’m not a member of any Jewish tribe. I was born in America to American parents.
“You also explained that the gospel preached by Paul was different to Peter’s.”
Clearly. Yes. Any serious student of scripture reading the King James Bible for comprehension and not to prove ones own brand of churchianity would see exactly that. Yes. Paul taught Jesus Christ according to the MYSTERY kept secret since the world began, revealed only and specifically to him; while Peter, James, John, etc. taught Jesus Christ according to prophesy spoken since the world began. Compare these two verses.
Rom 16:25… “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was KEPT SECRET since the world began,”
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Acts 3:21… “Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath SPOKEN by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
How can something that was kept secret since the world began be the same as something spoken since the world began? Things that are different cannot be the same. This is children’s logic 101.
“Do you believe that what Jesus said – preached, taught while in the flesh before His crucifixion, has no bearing on your life seeing He was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?”
Yes. What Jesus taught in His earthly ministry to Israel has no bearing on my life. He was not speaking to me, He was speaking to His Jewish disciples. The only bearing on my life these teachings have is to teach me what Jesus taught the twelve. That in and of itself is critical to understanding the whole Bible and for learning the vast difference to what Christ has for me (and all believers today) through Paul.
“And do you also believe the same of Peter’s preaching and letters that they have no bearing or value you for your relationship with Jesus, seeing he was sent to the Jews?”
That is correct. What I learn from them is how the Jews are to behave during the the time of Jacobs trouble.
Every verse in the Bible is true and accurate. Everyone must be read in context. Everyone must be read to receive the historical, spiritual and dispensational truth it contains. If one fails to do this, “churchianity” is the result. Denominationalism. Failure to rightly divide between prophesy and mystery leads to the worlds largest denomination, the ignorant brethren.
We learn VERY important things in the HEBREW epistles and the 4 direct accounts of Jesus life. We learn VERY important things in the psalms, the prophets and the law. But they are NOT written TO US. They are written TO ISRAEL… Gods chosen nation. He chose them to be the light unto the world. They failed.
“Ananias was sent to Saul and told him what he must do. Of course all the many many many details of what would be later revealed to Saul – Paul, were NOT given by Ananias. I am not saying Ananias revealed to Paul all what he had to preach.”
Ananias revealed NOTHING to Paul. What Paul was to receive from the risen and glorified Lord Christ was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN. Ananias COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN THE MYSTERY revealed to Paul alone. It was not yet revealed! See Rom 16:25 once again.
“Paul had to receive his sight back again. He had to be filled with the Holy Spirit. He had to rise up and be baptized in water. In doing so he would “wash away ” his sins. He had to call upon the name of the Lord at this time.”
This is a correct sequence, however water baptism never “washes away” sin. It is a Jewish ritual cleansing for the “remittance” of sin. Remittance is TEMPORARY, which is why the Levite priests did it before they entered into the Holy place. Same with sacrifices… they had to be done again and again.
As Paul and the 12 did it, it is an “identification” with Christ according to the law. Paul was water baptized and Holy Spirit filled so identifying him to the Jewish people OFFICIALLY AS AN APOSTLE. Can you imagine a Jew telling the Jewish people that the law of Moses was no longer effectual WITHOUT the Holy Spirit gifts of signs and wonders? How effectual do you think that would have been? Paul says to the Jews:
Acts 13:38-39… “Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him ALL that believe are justified from ALL things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
Show me where Peter, James, John or Jesus says such a thing!!! You can’t because they don’t!
If baptism “washes away” sin as you say, then what was Jesus doing being baptized with water? Had He the need for His “sins” to be cleansed? No, of course not. Christs baptism was for His complete identification with the prophetic law program; identification with Israel. Seed of David by human lineage, Son of God by resurrection from the dead. ABSOLUTE LEGAL HEIR TO THE THRONE OF ISRAEL. Seed of David, Son of God!
Rom 1:1-4… “Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the SEED OF DAVID according to the FLESH; And declared to be the SON OF GOD with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the RESURRECTION from the dead:”
You quote Luke 24. Who was Jesus speaking to? The 12 (!!!)… and Paul (a Pharisee, nowhere in sight) was about to begin hunting them down to kill them.
Luke 24:27… “And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.”
Jesus explains to the 12 the whole of prophesy. The same prophesy SPOKEN SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN. He did not reveal to them (the 12) the MYSTERY KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN. He hit Paul up with that in Acts 9 after He was resurrected in Acts 1. Ananias had no idea of the content of Paul’s message to the world. Only that he should go to Paul and lay hands on him. Again, a demonstration to the Jews who walk by sight.
Luke 24:47… “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
There is that “remission” again. Like cancer, their sin went into remission. It was not to be “washed away” or “blotted out” till the second coming (I’ll get to that again later). That verse also says “beginning at Jerusalem”. From there they were to go to Judea, then to Samaria and from there to the rest of the world.
Acts 1:8… “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
Guess what? The 12 never made it out of Jerusalem. You know why? Because national Israel never repented…! Need proof? Look at them. They hate Christ (they killed Him). They hate Paul (they tried desperately to kill him all throughout Acts). They hate their NT prophets Peter, James and John…
Gal 2:9… “And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”
It was agreed that Paul and Barnabas would got to the heathen “the uttermost parts of the world” and that the 12 WOULD GO TO THE CIRCUMCISION. That would be the Jews. They never made it to the “world” with the Kingdom gospel because the Kingdom was NO LONGER AT HAND. 69 weeks of years were up. The Kingdom WAS to come. WHAT HAPPENED? Why didn’t it come?
Answer: Israel did not repent. God called Paul. Paul never preached “thy Kingdom come”. 2,000 years later Israel is still awaiting their “messiah”. Methinks they don’t believe their own prophets. Did they ever? Nope. They killed em. They killed their real Messiah too. Guess who their “messiah” will be? Yup. The one that enters into the temple (yet to be built) and says that HE IS GOD. A thing Jesus always intoned but NEVER came out and said. Israel never believed their own prophetic scripture. They perverted it as men today pervert the King James into the NIV, ETC…
You quote Matthew 28.
Mat 28:19-20… “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
The 12 were to go and WATER BAPTIZE whosoever might believe the Kingdom gospel. The Kingdom was “at hand”. If things remained the same why on earth would Paul say…
1 Cor 1:17… “For Christ sent me NOT TO BAPTIZE, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.”
Christ sent the 12 – TO baptize. He sent Paul – NOT TO baptize.
You can’t see a difference here? Seriously?
“Paul was baptized according to the command of Jesus.”
Yes.
“Paul received the Holy Spirit – the promise of the Father.”
Yes.
“Paul went out to all the nations that he was led to go to according to the command of Jesus.”
Yes. And the 12 did not! Israel was to be converted FIRST on the list and they DID NOT BELIEVE!
“Paul himself DID baptize at least some believers 1 Cor 1”
Yes. And what did he have to say about that?
1 Cor 1:14… “I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;”
Water baptism was/is no longer necessary for the “remittance” of sin. Do you know why? BECAUSE THROUGH THE CROSS WE HAVE COMPLETE AND TOTAL FORGIVENESS OF ALL SIN! NOTHING ELSE REQUIRED. That is NOT what Jesus instructed the 12 and if you can’t see that, you’re blind.
Col 1:14… “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:”
Rom 5:11… “And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have NOW received the atonement.”
Israel does not receive its atonement till Christ comes again and is seated on His earthly throne. Peter’s words…
Acts 3:18-21… “But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be BLOTTED OUT, when the times of refreshing SHALL COME from the PRESENCE OF THE LORD. And he SHALL SEND Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS, which God hath SPOKEN by the mouth of all his holy prophets SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN.”
God today is NOT dealing with the world in terms of Jew and Gentile. ALL have sinned and come short of His glory. The Jew is no longer “lifted above” the other (Gentile) nations. THEY ARE APOSTATE. ALL are fallen; therefore ALL might be saved IN THE SAME WAY. Through the blood of Christ shed for ALL…
NOT MANY…
Mat 26:28… “For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Mark 14:24… “And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.”
The “many” here are the Jews. Sorry, you ain’t the “many”. And neither are the blasphemous Calvinists.
“Paul DID lay hands on believers that they too may receive the Holy Spirit, and it is recorded that the Holy Spirit fell on them and they spoke in languages and prophesied by the Holy Spirit.”
Yes. And what occurred not to long after such things happened?
1 Cor 13:8-10… “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.”
It stopped, and still no Kingdom. Why???????????????????????
Paul has a message of grace FAR SUPERIOR to any previous message God had for Israel and the Gentiles who would follow them.
1 Cor 12:30-31… “Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: AND YET I SHEW UNTO YOU A MORE EXCELLENT WAY.”
These things needed to happen with Paul because the Jews REQUIRE A SIGN.
1 Cor 1:22… “For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:”
We walk by faith. Paul needed to be able to do those “fantastic” Holy Spirit empowered things, that the Jews would believe that he was of God! We don’t require such things. We have Gods completed and perfected Word. The Jews walked by sight!
2 Cor 5:7… “(For we walk by faith, NOT by sight:)
If the Jews rightly walked by sight (PROPHESY SPOKEN) and we believers today walk by faith (MYSTERY HIDDEN)… something changed. I wish I could make the below “BUT NOW” bigger and bolder!
Rom 16:25-27… “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY GOSPEL, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY, which was KEPT SECRET since the world began, BUT NOW is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to ALL NATIONS for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.”
Prophesy – spoken. Mystery – not spoken (till Paul).
“These things are all part of the good news in Jesus. for they all focus on Him and what He has said and what He does in resurrection power.”
Yes. BUT the “good news” is NOT all the same! Jesus told the 12 to preach “thy Kingdom come” to Israel and they refused the good news! He told Paul to preach free grace to all everywhere! That’s better news! That’s unbelievable news!
2 gospel messages which are light years apart.
“I am eagerly expecting the appearing of the Lord Jesus Heb 9:28, when He shall come suddenly to gather His Bride to Himself and the Father’s house. 1 John 3;1-3 1 Peter 1:1-15”
I too am eagerly awaiting His coming, but I won’t be here for His second coming. I will meet Him in the air!
1 Thes 4:16-17… “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
If you are with those in Hebrews, John and Peter… you have missed the “rapture” and are going through the great tribulation. Peter and John are awaiting His second coming; the RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS as in Acts 3. This takes place after God cleans up this incredible mess of a world; violently I might add. You don’t want to be there.
You are NOT His “bride”. His bride is a CITY.
Rev 21:2… “And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Rev 21:9-10… “And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, the Lamb’s wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and SHEWED ME THAT GREAT CITY the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,”
If you are saved, the Hebrew epistles are not written TO YOU, they are written for tribulation saints IN THE TIMES OF JACOB’S (Israel’s) trouble and for your increased knowledge alone. Not for you to follow. If you decide to try anyway, I wish you luck. Don’t “backslide”…
I’m out of breath…
my my my, thank you for taking the time to reply. I hear what you are saying my friend 🙂
By the way… I do NOT say that I am infallible. NO one man has all the answers, All knowledge and wisdom in is CHrist Jesus which Paul stated to Gentiles Col 2.
I won’t be too long here; and I am posting this for the benefit of others who may be following this discussion
“Paul taught Jesus Christ according to the MYSTERY kept secret since the world began, revealed only and specifically to him; while Peter, James, John, etc. taught Jesus Christ according to prophesy spoken since the world began.”
Paul speaks to Gentile believers in Rome and uses the OT prophecies to support his own mssion to the Gentiles. in Ro. 9-11, he plainly tells them that they ought not to boast because they were wild olive branches who have been gratfed into the natural olive root.
He also tells them soberly that God will cut them off if they do not
“Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee…..because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.”
and God is well able to graft them in again – each one who repents and believes wholly in Jesus Christ Son of God.
Jesus whom you disregard says “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” John 10
“this fold” is the Jews; “other sheep not of this fold” are the Gentiles.
There will be one flock and one Shepherd over all.
There is one Tree. And Gentiles are grafted into that tree. Paul tells us that, very plainly even in the good old KJV.
Jesus, whose words you do not accept for yourself, says –
“Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
Paul in speaking to Gentiles in Athens says that God who created us will judge us all by the one He rasied from the dead. Acts 17. Jesus will judge us all, not Paul.
I will pray for all your lot in Texas
2 Peter 1:2
Country Pastor
John 15:10… “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”Preacher man. Do you keep the Sabbaths of Leviticus 23. If not then you do not love God or Jesus.
First century church kept the Sabbaths of Leviticus 23, do you? When the Jews took out Leaven out of the homes for Passover week, the Christians did to. The Chirsitans of the first century did no eat garbage eaters like pork and Shrimp? Do you If you eat Pork and shrimp, then you do not love God. The first commandment is Love. This is broken down to love God with all of your heart, soul strength and mind and love your neighbor as yourself (The Shema (Det 6:4-10). This goes into the ten commandments. First 4 is how you love God and the last 6 is how you love mankind. Then this is broken dawn to the 613 commandment in the Torah, and then the 1050 in the New Testament.
Grace Country Pastor said: 2 Cor 11:1-4… “Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
Here is the Jesus Christians follow and they preach another Jesus:
Born December 25 (Tammuz is Baby Jesus and Mary is the fertility goddess).
His name is “Jesus”. Came for the “lost”; Broke the Sabbaths of Leviticus 23. Taught “New” Commandments”. Entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday (5 days, Exod 12 says 4 days). Died on “Good Friday”. Buried Friday Night. Resurrected Easter SUNday at SUNrise (Worship of the SUN god Ra, Fertility goddesses like Estor/Aphrodite- all birth from Nimrod and the TOWER of Babel (destroyed at Pentecost). In the grave for 2 nights and one day (Jonah was in Leviathon for 3 days and 3 nights (72 Hours). Nailed the Law to the Cross. Fulfilled the Law so we don’t have to. Replaced Israel with “the Church”—Replacement Theology. Taught against the Law of Moses. Opposed laws in the Torah. Chose Gentiles and rejected Israel. SUNday is “the Lord’s Day”. No one knows when he will return. Peter is the foundation of the Church. Wants you to pray the “Sinners prayer”. Whant you to live a good life. Wants you to break the commandments of God. Armageddon is 7 years after the rapture.
True Messiah:
Conceived on Feast of Dedication, Festival of Light (Chanukkah 1)
Born Feast of Tabernacles or Day of Trumpet. Circumcized 8 days later.
His name is “Yeshua” (“Salvation” in Hebrew).
Came for the “Lost sheep of Israel” (all 12 tribes and strangers and foreigners).
Kept Sabbath perfectly.
Taught His Father’s commandments.
Entered Jerusalem 10th of Abib (Sabbath)
Died: Passover day 14th of Aviv (Wednesday, 4000 years from Creation (Wednesday) in 30 CE (Wednesday) between 27 and 33 CE
Buried: Beginning of Unleavened Bread.
Resurrected: Feast of First Fruits before Sunrise at the first 4 stars on Saturday night.
In the grave for 3 nights and 3 days (72 hours).
Nailed our sin to the cross.
Fulfilled the Law as our example.
Replaced nothing (Mal 3:8–God does not change).
Taught the Law of Moses is about Him.
Opposed man-made laws (not in Torah–first 5 books of the Tenakh)
Grafted Gentiles into Israel.
Is Lord of the Sabbath.
He will return at the appointed time on the Biblical Day of Trumpet in the 120th Jubilee year from Creation. (Psalms 118=2018). Armageddon is on the Day of Atonement with the marriage of the Groom and Bride (Psalms 118:10-13). Feast of Tabernacles is when the Millennium begins (Psalms 118:15).
Rapture is on Biblical Elul 1 40 days from Armageddon on the New Moon (Psalms 81:3 (New Moon, Full Moon, on a Solemn Feast Day–Rabbinic Day of Trumpet)
Peter’s confession is the foundation of faith. Sabbath Keeping Jesus is the foundation of the Church.
Wants you to become His disciple.
Wants you to live a Holy Life.
Will the Last Trump the apostle Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians that will be the call for the Church to be taken up, (raptured) away to meet Christ Jesus in the clouds, a Shofar or a metal frabricated horn (trumpet) that will sound?
Neither. It’s the “trumpet of God” (1st Thess. 4:16), not a trumpet or ram’s horn associated with any Levitical feast, or with Numbers 10, or any trumpet blown by humans.
I agree with chas on this one….
Shofar
Neither. It is the “trump of GOD” not a trumpet blown by man or angel. It is a call from God to the Church to heaven, not a call from Israel to God to save Israel. That’s why this:
… is a totally unfounded assumption.
The “last trumpet” of 1st Cor. 15 is not any trumpet blown by man. It’s the “trumpet of God” (1st Thess. 4:16), not a trumpet or ram’s horn associated with any Levitical feast, or with Numbers 10.
Beginingaandend said: And through seven years of end times judgments a remnant of believing Jewish people will be supernaturally protected from the Antichrist waiting for their Messiah to return to Earth.
DEAN replys: Rev 12:14 tells us that israel is protected for a time times and half time – 1260 days/3.5 years not 7 years…… this comes when those who see jerusalem surrounded by the antichrist armys flee into the wilderness, once the 7 year agreement is broken from Daniel 9:27. They flee and are protected the last 3.5 years…..
I dont understand, it says “with the trump of God” , not the “last Trump”, i read it again in the greek using the lexicon and it s the same.
DIana P
LAST TRUMP
1Co 15:51 Behold, I speak a mystery to you: we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet; for a trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the Word that has been written, “Death was swallowed up in victory.”
TRUMP OF GOD
1Th 4:16 Because the Lord Himself shall come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel’s voice, and with God’s trumpet. And the dead in Christ will rise again first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who remain alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to a meeting with the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 So, then, comfort each other with these words
If these two passages by Paul are speaking of the same event at the very same moment (in slightly different words) then one would suppose that the last trump and the trump of God are referring to the same blowing of trump(et)
There are trumpets and voices.
In 1 Thess 4 the voice of the angel is the voice of the archangel (unnamed).
In the entire Revelation there appears to be no reference to an or the archangel. ‘Archangels’ are distinct from ‘angels’.
In Revelation there are 7 trumpets which seven angels were to sound. The seventh angel sounds his in chapter 11.
AS I read over these 7 trumpets none of them are said to be the trump(et) of God.
While aothers can be emphatic about what seeing 1 Thess as being related to the seventh angel blowing his, the terminolgy is sufficiently distinct for m not to be so dogmatic. Until I can gain some further clarification from Scripture, I think wonder that they may be two separate events.
However God knows what is what and all I need to be is READY, and abiding in Jesus Christ and His word. trimming my lamp and ensuring I have enough oil in my vessel..
Hebrews 9:28
I have certainly enjoyed this material including all of the references. I am currently teaching a class in Revelation here at my location… Asbury Solomons, a retirement community. I am a former teacher with a Ph.D.. I started Bible study at age 5, sitting in my Grandmother’s lap… and starting with Revelation. This inspired my curiousness of details hidden in scripture. I have taught through years in Sunday school, night classes and for small individual groups interested in friends understanding the scriptures.
My class is nearing the last few chapters in Revelation and after discovering the materials in this website, I would like to include some of your materials. I find so may answers to questions many have that I think these people would enjoy these lessons. I am almost 88 and my friends are within the same age bracket from 75 and up.
I do I get permission to use your materials for my class? Can materials be copied for class use and discussion? Looing forward to an answer to my request. I keep my class sizes small for better discussion and understanding here a Asbury Solomons.
Sincerely, Betty Manchak
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Hi Betty,
Thank you so much for your comments. Please note that you have full authorization to print and use any of the materials on this website. I pray that they will be a blessing to you and your class. God bless! -B&E
New Moon New Beginning
Lots of action on the ground is matched by symmetries on the clock and in ancient writings. The solar new year began with the Spring equinox and the lunar component to the true new year is unmistakably intertwined. Whether the new moon nearest or the new moon after the spring equinox is the correct New Years day I can’t determine. We do know that 14 days into the new year is Passover, 3 days and nights later is Resurrection/Feast of Unleavened Bread. The head of the body then ascends at least 40 days later. This ascension event seems hidden to rapture watchers and this article suggests that the ascension date anniversary is something we should very well heed.
The bread crumb – full loaf of bread allusions and references to the new moon as significant and linked markers to the Harpazo/snatching/rapture seem profound and unmistakable.
“In a moment in the twinkling of and eye”. This reference is of the instant that ‘we shall all be changed, as the dead in Christ rise and we which are alive and remain shall be changed’. This is also a reference to the instant that the new moon first breaks into a crescent from behind the shadow of the earth each 29.5 days!
“No man knows the day or hour”. This reference is cited without understanding that in actuality it refers to the Hebrew idiom wherein the sighting of the new moon each month states that the next full day is the first day of the month. The breaking of the crescent has to be visibly seen by two witnesses and is then reported back to the temple. Specifically, because of the weather, clouds and the cyclical location of the moon’s visibility from Jerusalem each month, this sighting event can have a delayed variance sometimes as much as 2 or 3 days from the actual astronomical twinkling event itself. Hence no man knows the day or hour.
“the last trump and the dead in Christ shall rise”. Some say this trump could be a heavenly trumpet which no man shall blow. However, a trumpet IS blown by the Temple officials immediately After the new moon is sighted each month and then reported to the Temple by the two separate witnesses.
“Shall so come in like manner”. This Acts 1:11 reference occurs at the moment when the head of the body of Christ himself ascends with promise of return. IN like manner as in the same day? HEREIN LIES THE PAYOFF
There are 29.5 days precisely, point to point between every new moon. In two months then there are 59 days. From Nisan/Abib 1 to Passover/crucifixion is 14 days. Then 3 more days to the Resurrection. That’s 17 days. Then the earth quaked as the two Marys approached around dawn and saw the Master as it was early in the morning the next day. Jesus THEN gave instructions to be relayed to his disciples which certainly includes the Apostles to go to Gallilee to see him. Gallilee is a good 60 to 70 miles from Jerusalem by any map and time period which is a good 2 day journey. It is written that the Messiah was Then seen of the Apostles for 40 days up to the moments of his Ascension. It appears very much like the Messiah our Lord ascended during a new moon!
CONCLUSION- the nearest new moon to the spring equinox was March 6, 2019. If we add 14 days to March 20 for Passover, 3 days to Resurrection , on March 23. Then ~2 days for the journey by disciples and Apostles to Galilee, their oft refuge, we arrive with March 25. Then add 40 days of recorded time and sighting with the Apostles we end up with 14+3+2+40 = 59 days. THIS WOULD BE A NEW MOON. March 6 to May 4 new moon is 59 days!
If you believe the first new moon After the spring equinox is the new year authority then there are still 59 days between every two new moons,…forever. The April /5 new moon would yield a June 3rd ascension again where perhaps the body shall so follow and meet the head our Messiah in the air.
Hi B&E: Your blog has good insight. However, Paul makes it clear that the trump is not blown by men or angels, “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” 1 Thess 4:16. Moreover, John heard Jesus’ voice in Rev. 1:10-11 and said, “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last…” Also, in Rev. 4:1, “After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.” Rev. 4:1 is a Harpazo scene that takes place directly after Rev. 3, the end of the Church Age on earth. Jesus who is the bridegroom comes and catches away His Bride, the Church at the sound of His voice – a trumpet. Elder MB
When dealing with the Lord’s Day does not refer to SUNday worship of Roman and Greek Lords but refers to the Day of the LOrd. Based on Leviticus 23, which YHVH uses, the harpazo would be in April, May, or June because that is the Spring Harvest. The other one to watch is September, October. We can rule out April, and we just started May on the New Moon on May 4/5th. The Flood began on the Full Moon +2 days, and Yeshua/Jesus was in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights, so your harpazo can be on 2-3 days after the New Moon began. So May 4th Sabbath + 3 days = Wednesday, May 5th = Thursday. Since the 4th day was the creation of the Sun, Moon, and Stars and the 4th candle of the Menorah is called the Christ Candle or Servant candle, then the Harpazo can be on the 4th day.
Morning MB… The church which is His body is nowhere to be found in the book of Revelation. His bride is the city, the new Jerusalem. See Rev 21:9-11
GC Pastor, then who is the multitude that no man could number who stood around the throne in Rev. 7? Also In Ephesians 5, Paul describes the relationship between Christ and the Church as husband and wife, a mystery. Finally, the Bride is both a woman and a city, just like the Great Harlot is both a woman and a city as well (see Rev. 17) and the beast is both a man and a nation(s) (Rev. 13).
The multitude are those throughout the past and future ages who lived by faith. In Eph 5 Paul is making an analogy; while providing outstanding marriage advise. Paul is not calling us “the bride of Christ”.
Are we today saved by our works? Of course not. We are saved UNTO good works, but there is no law that says we must walk in them. The grace demonstrated to us by Gods gift ought to cause us to want to walk in them. Huge difference. Examine every church spoken to in Revelation chapters 2 and 3. What is said of them? “I know thy works.” They are all in if/then covenant agreements with God; covenants we believers today have no part in. Those churches are therefore not us; they are Jewish New Covenant churches.
Who was the NT promised to? The writer of Hebrews (not Paul by the way) quotes the Jewish prophet Jeremiah in…
Hebrews 8:8 KJB… “For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:”
If one simply believes the Bible, it looks like the New Covenant is made with Israel, not those of us saved by grace alone through faith alone in the shed blood of Christ alone. Covenants are deals, contracts that two or more parties enter into. We are simply offered a gift which we are free to take or refuse. The gift of Christ in our place upon the cross.
https://gracecountrybiblechurch.com/2017/04/17/are-believers-today-new-testament-christians/
GCP, you went on a tangent about a fundamental truth of being saved by grace and not works of which there is no dispute. Not sure why that was interjected.
You missed Paul’s revelation of the mystery regarding Christ and the Church. Like Eve was of Adam’s body, so are we the body of Christ and are one. We are the Bride of Christ and the tokens of our virginity is His blood (see Deuteronomy 22).
By the way, that multitude is the Church, you’re just not calling it so. The Church are those that are blood washed (Rev 7:14). The new covenant is anyone who believes in Jesus Christ that includes the natural branches who are grafted back in now and in the future (144,000 and other Israelites) comprising the Church.
You should also read what I wrote before saying I’m incorrect. The body of Christ has absolutely zero to do with the new covenant.
grace cp
The letters to the seven churches which John had to write are pertinent to all believers in Christ from then till the last day.
You have said – “They are all in if/then covenant agreements with God; covenants we believers today have no part in.”
There is no covenant agreement with God sppken of in theset seven letters. Where does Jesus ever mention the word covenant in these messages?
The only mention of the word covenant in the Book of revelation is found in ch 11:19 So how on earth you can arrive at your conclusion baffles me.
These seven letters were written to assemblies in Christ years after His death, They are the very Gentile assemblies that Paul established in Asia Minor, by declaring in the power of the Holy Spirit the gosple of Jesus Christ in all its fulness.
The old covenant that Moses had to speak of, ws sealed with the blood of bulls and goats, and it was between god and the nation of Israel. That covenant has no bearing on believers in Christ, because we are no longer under the Law,. We are under the Law of Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:2)
The new and eternal covenant was sealed with the blood of Jesus Christ who Himself spoke of two folds –
Joh 10:16 “And I have other sheep which are not of this fold. I must also lead those, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock, one Shepherd.”
One fold was Jews who put there faith in Christ, the other fold was gentiles who would put their faith in the same Jesus Christ.
Paul in writing to the Romans (a Jew and Gentile church) says …
“For there is no difference both of Jew and of Greek, for the same Lord of all is rich toward all the ones calling on Him. For everyone, “whoever may call on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 10:12, 13.
To the Ephesians (Gentile church) he says …
“Because of this, remember that you, the nations, were then in the flesh (those having been called Uncircumcision by those having been called Circumcision in the flesh made by hands)
that at that time you were without Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers of the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
But now, in Christ Jesus you who then were afar off, came to be near by the blood of Christ.
For He is our peace, He making us both one, and breaking down the middle wall of partition,
in His flesh causing to cease the enmity, the Law of the commandments in decrees, that He might in Himself create the two into one new man, making peace,
and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, slaying the enmity in Himself.
And coming, He proclaimed “peace to you, the ones afar off, and to the ones near.” Isa. 57:19
For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.” Eph 2:11-18
Paul is saying that both Jews and Gentiles who put there faith in Christ Jesus are made one in Christ. and this is exacetly what Jesus was saying in John 10 – the two folds shall become one and there will be one Sheoherd over them.
Paul in writing to the Gentile church in Corinth says that “…God, who also made us able ministers of a new covenant, not of letter, but of Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive.” 2 Cor 3:6
Paul along with all the apostles of Jesus Christ were made able ministers of the new covenant, which was sealed with the blood of Jesus Christ (see 1 Cor 11:25) None of the apostels of Jesus Chfrist preached according to the old covenant established under Moses.
You may dispute the Book of Hebrews as having any relevance to those in Christ as many others do, but that is your decision and theirs. As for me, I believe that what the Holy Spirit says in the book of Hebrews is the exact same message that Paul speaks about and which Christ himself spoke of in that Last Supper.
“…and to Jesus the Mediator of a new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling speaking better things than that of Abel.
Now the God of Peace, He leading up out of the dead, the great Shepherd of the sheep, in the blood of the everlasting covenant, our Lord Jesus,” Hebrews 13:19, 20
This new covenant sealed with the blood of Jesus can never be broken because it was between the Father and Jesus Christ our Great Shepherd. We who are called into Christ to be joined to Him inhedrit the promises of His better and new covenant which is an everlasting covenant.
Click on this link. Scroll to number 5 dated 4/7/19 titled “what is the bride of Christ”.
https://columbusbiblechurch.org/2019-sermons/
It will help a great deal.
We ca agree to disagree.
GCP, let’s agree to disagree.
grace cp
Dvid Reid whom you recommend on this blog, endeavours to explain who the bride of Christ is.
John tells us who the bride is in Revelation 21:9, 10.
“And one of the seven angels came to me, he having the seven bowls being filled with the seven last plagues, and spoke with me, saying, Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.
And he carried me in spirit onto a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, holy Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, ”
The bride is the wife of the Lamb – Jesus. The wife is the is the great city, holy Jerusalem.
This holy city, had twelve foundations. Each of those had a name of one of the apostles of Jesus Christ; Peter, James, John, James, andrew etc.
The holy city also had twelve gates and on each gate was a name of one of the twelves tribes of Israel – Jacob; Reuben, Simeon, Levi Judah etc. (Dan is replaced by one of the sons of Joseph)
Thus this wife of the Lamb, this bride of Christ the Lamb of God, has both, the very ‘fathers’ of the tribes of Israel – the nation of Hebrews, and the very apostles of Jesus Christ, and all of these 24 names were full blood Jewish men.
The twelve patriarchs were the ‘fathers’ – Abraham, Isaac and Jacob being their fathers.
Jesus the Bridegroom, came out of the nation of Israel, from the tribe of Judah.
Jesus appointed twelve apostles who were to be the foundation of the ‘eccclssia’ – the body of Christ, Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone.
Paul tells us that in Christ as to our relationship with Him there is neither Jew or Gentile:
“Even as the body is one, and has many members, but all the members of the one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
For also we all were baptized by one Spirit into one body, whether Jews or Greeks (a Greek speaker- a non-Jew), whether slaves or free, even all were given to drink into one Spirit.” 1 Cor. 12:12, 13
(So here Paul is telling us that regardless of human origin, ethnicity, we are all one body – of Christ.)
Paul tells us that the Gentile believers wre grafted into the natural vine:
“For I speak to you, the nations, since I am an apostle of the nations, (I glorify my ministry),
if somehow I may provoke to jealousy my flesh, and may save some of them.
For if their casting away is the reconciliation of the world, what is the reception, except life from the dead?
Now if the firstfruit is holy, so also the lump. And if the root is holy, so also the branches.
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree,
do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, it is not you that bears the root, but the root bears you.” Rom 11:13-18 +
(So here, Paul is saying that Gentiles are grafted into the true faith of Christ which had as it foundational beginnings the faith of Abraham – who is called the fathyer of us all – Romans 4:16)
Paul states “Because of this, remember that you, the nations, were then in the flesh (those having been called Uncircumcision by those having been called Circumcision in the flesh made by hands)
that at that time you were without Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers of the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
But now, in Christ Jesus you who then were afar off, came to be near by the blood of Christ.
For He is our peace, He making us both one, and breaking down the middle wall of partition,
in His flesh causing to cease the enmity, the Law of the commandments in decrees, that He might in Himself create the two into one new man, making peace,
and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, slaying the enmity in Himself.” Eph 2:11-16+
(Paul tells us that Gentile believers in Christ are now made through faith in Christ Jesus, near by the blood of Christ, and He has made both Jew and Gentile one in Himself having abolished the enmity (atagonism) between Jew and Gentile by His cross – death, having slain the enmity in Himself.
So here are 3 witnesses from Paul’s mouth telling us that Jew and Gentile who put faith in Christ are no longer separated by anything, but are one body of Christ.
Paul tells the ‘ecclessia’ the called out ones, of his desire; “For I am jealous over you with a jealousy of God. For I have promised you to one Man, to present you a pure virgin to Christ.” 2 Cor 11:2.
Promised you – as a chaste virgin – (a pure bride in other words)
to one man – Jesus Christ – the Bridegroom of the bride.
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Both Jew and Gentile are of one body of Christ; are one virgin – bride to be presented to Christ, having been joined to Him..
Grace cp
Jesus said in “John 10:16 I have also other sheep–which do not belong to this fold. Those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice; and they shall become one flock under one Shepherd.”
Here Jesus decribes two folds but one flock. When He says the other sheep are not of ‘this fold’, He was speaking about that present time while He was on earth (not for ever), for the wall of hostility between Jew and Gentile still existed then in Jesus day.
However,both folds belonged to Jesus Christ for they were all to be washed sheep (compare song solomon 4:2 and 6:6), and are all blood bought. For those who believed according to the righteousness of faith that Abraham showed, were looking ahead for the Promised Man of Sorrows, to be sent from Heaven, Whom having not seen yet, believed and loved as Abraham did.
Jacob prophesied – Gen 49:18 “I have waited for your salvation O Lord”. Simeon centuries later said by the Holy Spirit – “now let Your servant depart in peace, for my eyes have seen Your salvation. He said this as he held the infant Son of God in his arms. Jesus is the Salvation of God (Psalm 27:1)
The first fold of John 10 is the fold of Hebrew believers from Abel (Jews); the second fold is the Gentile believers. But Jesus said He will make the twain – one.
In Ephesians 2:11-19 we read that through the sacrifice of Jesus, both Jew and Gentile are made one, because Jesus broke down the wall of hositlity between the two, destroying that hostility in HImself.
And so Paul could testify by the Holy Spirit – that in Christ (as to our relationship with Him) there is neither Jew or Gentile, Sycthian, male of female, for all are one in Christ.
He also testified that Gentile believers were now through Christ’s sacrifice, grafted into the NATURAL VIne. The root bears ‘you’ (Gentiles), you Gentiles do not bear the root. Romans 11
God put that generation away (Jer 3), He did NOT make a full end of them.Jere. 5:10, 5:18; 46:28.
And in Ezekiel 11 the prophet cries out – ” Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?”
God asures him that although they will be scattered across the face of tthe earth He would be a sanctuary to them. The prophet was to declare that God would again gather them out of all the countries from which they would be scattered.
The Body of Christ is comprised of both Jew and Gentile. God said that He would make a new covenant with the House of Israel. Jesus said that those true believers of the House of Israel are one fold and He had other sheep – Gentiles of another fold and that He was to make them both one flock under Himself.
Paul says we are grafted in to the natural Vine – Jewish believers, to whom the covenants and the promise was made, and the gospel belonged to them (John 4:22), if we are grafted into that root, then the same covenant God made with them applies to us.
Concerning Gentiles – “That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.” Eph 2:12, 13
We were strangeres to the covenants of promise, but not any longer. Now we are fellow citizens with them.
Nowehere in Scripture does it say Gentile believers are not in a new covenant under Christ. If I am wrong please show me the Scriptures that state that plainly.
That new covenant was written with the blood of Jesus, which same blood works for and in us.
I cannot see how your position stands up against Scripture, and I have listened to David Reid which link you posted, but I disagree with his argument.
Ian
Weak…
Can you read?
Then read. Do the words say what they mean and mean what they say? Or does God have difficulty communicating with His creation? In languages He created.
Come on… engage! Push the boundaries of “common” knowledge and understanding.
“Jesus said in “John 10:16 I have also other sheep–which do not belong to this fold. Those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice; and they shall become one flock under one Shepherd.””
In the book of John Jesus is speaking to the nation Israel. He comes not to “bring peace” to divide believing Israel (the little flock) from unbelieving Israel (the synagogue of satan).
Luke 12:51… “Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:”
In the book of John salvation is “of the Jews”… the gentiles can be saved by either becoming a Jew or by blessing Israel according to Gen 12:1-3.
John 4:22… “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.”
“Here Jesus decribes two folds but one flock. When He says the other sheep are not of ‘this fold’, He was speaking about that present time while He was on earth (not for ever), for the wall of hostility between Jew and Gentile still existed then in Jesus day.”
The two folds are believing versus unbelieving Israel. Not Jew versus Gentile.
“The first fold of John 10 is the fold of Hebrew believers from Abel (Jews); the second fold is the Gentile believers. But Jesus said He will make the twain – one.”
Dead wrong. You are combining things that were never meant to be combined and making things up as you go along.
“In Ephesians 2:11-19 we read that through the sacrifice of Jesus, both Jew and Gentile are made one, because Jesus broke down the wall of hositlity between the two, destroying that hostility in HImself.”
I don’t know where you find this “wall of hostility”. There was a wall of partition and that was circumcision.
The fact that God raised one very small group of people above all the rest. This is true that the wall of partition was broken down. Now show me that in the book of John, or Matthew, or Mark, or Luke, or any of the Hebrew epistles… Point is, you can’t. The only Apostle who ever said such a thing is Paul. That’s because what God told Paul was a secret hidden in Him since before the world began (Romans 16:25-27).
HOWEVER, with regard to that wall breaking down… we “gentiles” were not brought up into Israel’s program or position. They were brought down from their lofted position as Gods chosen that God may show equal mercy upon all. Israel as a nation was concluded in unbelief along with the gentile nations God gave up on centuries previous at the tower of Babel (Romans 1).
Romans 11:32… “For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.”
“And so Paul could testify by the Holy Spirit – that in Christ (as to our relationship with Him) there is neither Jew or Gentile, Sycthian, male of female, for all are one in Christ.”
This is true! And only Paul could testify of such a thing. Find that sentiment in any other book of the Bible.
“He also testified that Gentile believers were now through Christ’s sacrifice, grafted into the NATURAL VIne. The root bears ‘you’ (Gentiles), you Gentiles do not bear the root. Romans 11”
Wrong. Why would believers today want to be grafted into a withered vine? In Romans 11 Paul is speaking of a future time when Israel is no longer blinded that they may be the light of the world to the Gentile nations.
We today (NEITHER Jew NOR Gentile) are a NEW CREATURE. A creature that cannot be found in prophesy. Where is the Jewish nation that anyone can be grafted into if there is today NEITHER Jew NOR Gentile?
“The prophet was to declare that God would again gather them out of all the countries from which they would be scattered.”
And this has not yet occurred.
“The Body of Christ is comprised of both Jew and Gentile.”
NO. The body of Christ is composed of NEITHER Jew NOR Gentile. The body of Christ is a church that stands outside of Gods prophetic program with Israel at it’s core. That body began with Paul on the road to Damascus.
1 Tim 1:15-16… “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, THAT IN ME FIRST Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, FOR A PATTERN TO THEM WHICH SHOULD HEREAFTER BELIEVE ON HIM to life everlasting.”
Paul is our pattern. Not John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Peter, James or even Jesus in the red letters.
Rom 11:13… “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:”
1 Cor 11:1… “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”
“God said that He would make a new covenant with the House of Israel.”
He did. He did not say that He would make a covenant with Gentile nations. His covenant was and will be with Israel alone.
“Paul says we are grafted in to the natural Vine – Jewish believers, to whom the covenants and the promise was made, and the gospel belonged to them (John 4:22), if we are grafted into that root, then the same covenant God made with them applies to us.”
Wrong. Those are future believers. Jews AND Gentiles. Not us today. We are a NEW CREATURE… NEITHER Jew NOR Gentile. You said as much yourself (Gal 3:28).
2 Cor 5:17-21… “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling THE WORLD unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
“Concerning Gentiles – “That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.” Eph 2:12, 13 We were strangeres to the covenants of promise, but not any longer. Now we are fellow citizens with them.”
We were strangers to the covenants and promises made to and with Israel. We still are. THEY ARE FELLOW CITIZENS WITH US CONCLUDED IN UNBELIEF. Concluded in unbelief that God may have equal non-covenantal mercy upon all. That’s how pathetic the human race is. No covenants in the dispensation of the free grace of God.
How is a man saved today? By trusting that the shed blood of Christ paid for the totality of his sin condition. Not by the works of the law. The new covenant provides law keeping ability to those it was promised to… Israel. This is not occurring today. It will occur in the future.
“Nowehere in Scripture does it say Gentile believers are not in a new covenant under Christ.”
Completely false. Read any of Pauls epistles. The nature of grace is that believers are in a no covenant relationship with God. Grace is free today, not accompanied by the necessity of works. Good works are wonderful and we should do them. But we are in no way, shape or form going to be cursed if we fail as Israel was. THANK GOD!!! Covenants imply blessing AND curses.
Gal 3:13… “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, BEING MADE A CURSE FOR US: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:” Read the rest of that chapter. When God made the first promise to Abram, it was not via a covenant agreement, it was of grace alone because Abram believed God. At later times did God add covenant terms to Abram and to his seed in the flesh, Israel. We believers today are Abraham’s seed according to faith not flesh.
Christ was made a curse for the believer today. You are not seeing the Bible as the book of progressive revelation that it is.
“If I am wrong please show me the Scriptures that state that plainly.”
Read Paul knowing that in Romans chapters 9-11 he is speaking of Israel past, present and future and their covenant relationship to the Gentile nations. The Kingdom didn’t come. They needed to know why. Read 2 Peter chapter 3.
“That new covenant was written with the blood of Jesus, which same blood works for and in us.”
Christ’s blood is what saves us. The new covenant was also written in Christ blood. But to whom? Here is the scripture you ask for. Question is, do you believe it?
Hebrews 8:8-11… “For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.”
If you can read those words (and Romans 3-8) and tell me that I have a covenant relationship with God, your deluded and deceived by religion.
The Last Trump is Donald Trump?
You might humble yourself just a tad. You come across as thinking that you (and no one else) have it all. And you most certainly do not. Anyone who says we are not to live by THE WORD (JESUS) is of the synagogue of Satan.
Furthermore, when Paul said, “That at that time YE were without Christ, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus YE WHO SOMETIMES WERE AFAR OFF are made nigh by the blood of Christ.” Eph 2:12, 13
he was quoting Hosea, who was speaking of the House of Israel, which God scattered and said they would not even remember who they were. Paul knew he was speaking to many descendants of the 10 tribes, and that’s why he quoted Hosea. So your whole ideology falls flat on its face, as now Jews and the former House of Israel/ Gentiles are ONE STICK. THAT’S why Paul said “there is neither Jew nor Gentile. NOT that we are SEPARATE from Jews, we are all ONE. I think you are SO insulated in the “wrongly divided” words of Paul and have not read the whole Bible “rightly divided”.
But JESUS, THE WORD, and HIS WORDS are for ALL.
Donald Trump is the last Trump?
God’s voice is like a trumpet blast. The last trump of the grace dispensation is God calling His ambassadors of grace and peace home in the translation of the church, pre-wrath (pre-trib) as we are not appointed unto wrath.
Donald has zero to do with Gods last trump.
Good article. It’s amazing how the LORD works, using the name “Trump” to let us know HIS near
return. The book of truth (Daniel 11) was promised to be open and reveal a better timeline
for the Abomination – 6th Seal and Rapture. Here we are, one day before the start of the Feast
of Trumpets (InGathering) ending on Oct 20/21 st. HE’s at the door.